THE RULERS OF THE WORLD:a new Project Avalon vide

[daria]

I have not watched this Video interview by Bill Ryan yet, shall do so shortly.

THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

http://projectavalon.net/

[majorlee]

thanks for that

was an interesting watch

would like to know what others thought about it too


just love it when a cockney says 'shut it!'


so is bill being played here, is charly boy being totaly honest?

[daria]

Just finished watching it. 2 hours of my life wasted.

[gremlin]

Just finished watching it. 2 hours of my life wasted.

so verdict? not worth it.

Did he show his face?

[daria]

so verdict? not worth it.

Did he show his face?

No face. Bill Ryan was asking questions and he was also answering them.
Good study about manipulation, no other info that I expected. Bit of a blaagh.

If you watch bit, it goes on like that.
In fact, go to you tube and look at the comments.

[rayne]

I trust Bill Ryan's judgement more than Kerry Cassidy's (sp?); the woman who interviewed a so called human-dolphin hybrid... Yet still, I'll take this interview with a grain of salt, too.

[thegatherer]

Watching this at the moment, really interesting...it doesn't 'flow' in the way a talkshow would due to the delicate nature of the situation they're both in, but watch it, it's good stuff if you're someone capable of pickin out the pearls...like me:D

[piratecooper]

Dear Friends,

It's my pleasure to announce a new video, published today - on 1.1.11, most auspiciously - which covers a very great deal of extremely important new ground.

http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_P...nuary_2011.mp3 (audio, 84 Mb)
http://projectavalon.net/Bill_Ryan_P...nuary_2011.mp4 (video, 414 Mb)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_nLgHnC6BdE



I've been deeply engaged in the material covered in this interview - which is just about everything you might think of - for the last several months; and this accounts for my unusually low public profile recently, which some have commented on, and a few have been concerned about.

This is a two hour, on-camera interview with the contact - named 'Charles' - to whom I've made passing reference in recent radio shows, and who first e-mailed me in July of 2010. We first spoke in August, logged over 30 hours of Skype calls, and then a couple of weeks ago, before Christmas, we finally met in person.

Below is a transcript of the introduction to the video, which constitutes an important personal message. It's the best summary I can offer.

The video itself explains a great deal about the modus operandi of the controllers, and starts to lay out some of the events and scenarios that - up till now - have been planned.

This material is the tip of a very large and important iceberg needed. I know some of that iceberg, but not all of it. I hope to learn much more during the coming months.

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A personal message from Bill Ryan

In the summer of 2010 I was approached by a very unusual man. The story of that contact is described by him in this interview. I've called him 'Charles'.

He's spent many years working for the elite group that considers it their responsibility to run the planet.

He's not an academic, a historian, or a scientist. But he wanted to communicate some important information: about the worldview and philosophy of this group — from their point of view: what they're trying to achieve, why, and how. What he wants to see is what he calls a 'Fair Contest'.

There's a great deal of material that was not covered in this interview. It is, to some degree, the start of a dialog. The group of 33 that 'Charles' works with is indirectly using this opportunity to communicate. I've reported this communication as accurately as possible.

As is normal journalistic practice, some of the information was asked to be off-record at this stage. As you watch this interview, you will see that there are a great many unanswered questions. I'd like there to be a further interview. But any decision about this isn't mine to make.

For me, the second half of 2010 has been an interesting time. It's culminated in this opportunity to communicate indirectly, through this video and through 'Charles' himself, with the group of people who are running the planet.

This is what I would like this opportunity to say:

I understand the history and context that 'Charles' has explained — some of which is in this interview.

But there is another way.

If you are to be the true leaders of the planet, you can be the captains of Spaceship Earth with a responsibility for the entire Human Family.

There can be a massive clean-up operation. You know that the technology exists. Between us all, this can be done.

Clean water, clean air, clean oceans, free energy, abundant wildlife, health and education for every human being.

Planet Earth could be a paradise planet — a model for this sector of the galaxy.

The Human Race is a massive, long-term experiment.

This information, confirmed by yourselves via 'Charles', will not be new to many of those watching this video.

'Charles' has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference.

It is arguable that the optimum conclusion for all — an outcome that would delight those whose project this is — would be for the Human Race to take responsibility for itself: and show just what they can do.

Your legacy to remain for time immemorial, here and elsewhere, could be:

We cleaned up the mess.

We inspired and funded the world's brightest and best from every nation to work together to solve the problems.

We fully restored this beautiful, magnificent jewel of this solar system.

Look what we did.

When the entire Human Family, organized, focused, and under inspired leadership, worked together — to show just what could be done.

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Notes on the interview:

Charles' London accent is quite strong... and in places the dialog is very fast-flowing. This might be a problem for some people for whom English is not their native language. A transcript will be available in a week or so, and another video subtitled in English will be uploaded. Translations will follow as soon as possible.

There's a very interesting dramatic backdrop to this story, which has not yet been told.

Charles first contacted me because he had been ordered to 'deal with me'. I had become a 'problem', and he tells this story in the interview. The attempt to take Project Camelot down had, to some degree, failed: there was initially one problem, but now (with the 'amoeba splitting') there were two. But as Charles discovered more, he changed his own priorities.

After that, all kinds of drama ensued. Charles was obliged to 'run', landing up in jail in Nigeria... and broke out to return to the UK where he was eventually required to report back to his colleagues. He is now, to quite some degree, operating to facilitate communications both ways between myself and the controlling group.

I'll release more about the specifics of Charles' information over the coming weeks. The only reason I'm not presenting it all at once is that there's a huge amount of it: there are many places to drill down into. These include:

* The demonization/ criminalization of the alternative media.
* The plan to create a false flag event to present the ETs as dangerous enemies.
* The plan to reduce the world's population through the control and distribution of food.
* Planet X and dangerous solar activity (both are real - but are not show-stopping threats).
* The ET project to create and optimize a new genome - which is the human race on this planet.
* This is the first time in the history of the human race that we have got our hands on ET technology - which was never part of the plan. There were no accidental UFO crashes: all the craft were shot down - at first by a 'lucky hit', and thereafter deliberately.
* The legacy of the controlling group, and why they feel this is their responsibility.
* The way the controlling group functions, and considers its role: some of their codes, protocols, and 'rules'.

An important note: this group is NOT the Illuminati. It's a Council of the 33 most senior members (defined in a particular way) of each of the 33 bloodline families on the 'inside'. The controlling group does not have a formal name.

They meet frequently, and make major decisions about global affairs. Charles has always emphasized - even when he had greatly displeased some of them through his insubordination - that this group sincerely feels it is doing the best thing for the planet, the human race, and the ETs... whoever they are (Charles does not have access to this information).

Other groups which we know of (the Illuminati, the Freemasons, the Knights of Malta, the Rosicrucians, the Priory of Sion - and many more), are all groups or societies which are lower down the 'pyramid' of control. This group of 33 constitutes the very capstone.

There's a great deal to suggest that this release of information will be watched and monitored very closely indeed. As mentioned above, I have more information, which for the moment has been archived offline with a number of other trusted people.

It remains to be seen how much more detailed information I'm at liberty to release in the coming weeks and months. But the big picture is laid out very clearly in this interview. In the meantime, my intention, as made clear in my personal statement above (and in the introduction to the video), is to suggest in the strongest and most courteous ways I can to the controlling elite that there is another way to go. I want nothing less than to change the timeline of the human race.

And to do that, the shift in consciousness that will be required needs to extend from the very lowest to the very highest strata of society. Now that a New Year is upon us - 2011, as significant as any that we have experienced thus far - and here we all are still standing (and in the process becoming wiser, more aware, more responsible, and much better informed): I ask all of you reading this, and watching the video, to join me in a vision for Planet Earth in which every human being, no-one excluded, plays their part in creating.

Bill Ryan
PROJECT AVALON
1 January 2011

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10234-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-A-new-Project-Avalon-video-interview

[hyundisonata]

Lol best sleep I have had in a long time. How gullible can you get lol? This guy is nothing more than a drug dealing pimp con man. That’s it in a nutshell. He is a nobody scamming a gullible fool. Yip you get one of both on every street corner lol. But hey making a twat a secret by not disclosing his true reality such as name or face sells lol. In fact he is that well in with the elite he can’t even afford a decent hair cut. Look at the back of his neck lol used a no 2 all over and never squared the back .I only deal in solid reality. I do no accept rubbish without solid proof and the sooner more adopt this method then the sooner you will all know what I know and believe me its scary stuff. The sooner such as Bill stop playing silly cloak and dagger games and expose in full who is saying what ECT instead of chasing money by publishing bull shit then all the better. There are masses of stuff out there that is simple to prove, anyone can do it. It’s right under your noses from ET to the MIB ECT. It’s that open you could run it as a tourist attraction and yet such as Bill and David are still selling you silly stories from faceless people. In fact there is a guy who most of the time writes bull shit but he has hit a few home truths. One such statement was that such as those mentioned are in the elites pocket and the more I read and see from them makes me believe he might just be correct. He writes under the name of bionicle Alex and worth listening too. Such as that video is the reason I no longer go to Avalon forum, your mind can only accept a limited amount of mystic garbage before it goes into meltdown.

[girlgye]

Do you know what?
Thank you for your reviews. I'm tired of stupidtube rabbit holes. If we could keep a system of reviewing going. We are gonna get through this alot quicker, together.

Thank you pirate cooper for your prose. As soon as I saw the word this is..
He is an elite insider who has information from the elite. I switched off.
More disinfo...



Keep it up guys. Happy New Years I love you all on this board. :D

[diky]

oh dear......

I would be very interested to hear the whole background of that situation

It's an interesting interview in my opinion, if only as a test of gullibility

I wonder if he did it for a bet? presumably Bill doesn't spend much time in the pub or he would have met numerous characters like 'Charles'.

I hope some serious vetting was done before putting that up, although that seems lacking in the 'alternative media' generally, and by vetting I don't mean whether it sits right with your ego or popularity or bank balance

[zarah]

Ohh Charles is from the same east London place I am.

Swear to goodness, before I heard him say where he was born, I really thought I recognised his voice although I don't recognise the back of his head.

[freemefast]

If you head on on over to the Avalon forums, Bill's got a Q&A going to expand on the video. He tells us how 'Charles' helped him out here;
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Quote Originally Posted by Wood View Post
No, sorry, this is not disclosure.
Part of the problem may be (as I suggested) that we've already been conditioned to believe that 'disclosure' (i.e. official confirmation of certain suspected facts) will look a certain way.

There's a bit of a Catch-22 operating here, though: one of the criticisms of the interview so far is that "Charles isn't telling us anything we didn't already know".

Although that may be an over-simplification (we knew what he told us, but we also knew a lot of other stuff which turns out not to be true) - a sanctioned confirmation of 'what we know' might be regarded as useful!

Separately (and it's 4 am here, so please forgive me for selecting issues to reply to straight off, rather than taking questions in order):

Quote Originally Posted by OneLittleFrog View Post
So, what has me absolutely BEWILDERED is this: Bill Ryan - a person I hold in the very highest esteem - calls this little creature his FRIEND? Yes, he does, at the very beginning of the interview. I simply can't wrap my mind around that.
Good question. A backstory not yet told.

In brief, after Charles contacted me in August and offered support, he was attacked by some people (or on behalf of some people) who did not approve of his stance.

Charles was obliged to 'run', later ending up in Nigeria. In the process, he was near-bankrupted by his enemies, and lost tens of millions of pounds of his business assets (a lot of money to you and me).

Prior to his arriving in Nigeria, while still in the UK, he was shot at (again, as a result of his support for me) and a colleague of his he was traveling with was killed.

For me, that shows astonishing courage that I consider deserves my friendship. In the meantime, he and I have talked at length about details of his life - and I don't judge him at all.

In terms of mutual favors, so to speak, Charles saved my bacon in Johannesburg at the end of August (on the return from Credo Mutwa) when he gave me a strong telepathic instruction from thousands of miles away when I was being followed and was in serious danger.

At the end of October, in another situation, Charles found himself in serious danger when in Nigeria - and I was able to help him escape that by leaving a voicemail message on his cellphone which was played at a critical moment to someone who was about to betray him.

When he returned from Nigeria to the UK - quite an 'interesting' journey, alluded to in the interview - he was summoned to report back to the controlling group. He did that, and was smart to do so. He was required to tell the truth about his contacts, actions, and intentions - and did.

Since then, he has been acting principally as a go-between (a liaison), once the controlling group understood that they had an opportunity to at least test the waters - and that they could count on me to be responsible and to understand their protocols.

Now, at the start of 2011, some of Charles' previous life has been restored to him - so to speak - and I have been given a 'clearance' to be let in the loop and not punished for it.

The game has changed considerably, so far to the theoretical advantage of all parties (including myself, Charles, the controlling group, and anyone reading this!)... and the ball continues to roll.

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Here's the linky if you wanna ask q's;

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10248-THE-RULERS-OF-THE-WORLD-Questions-and-Answers

[shed7628]

I used to think Kerry was the crazy one, Bills credibility (imo) has taken a huge hit with this BSer.

Bill talks about mind control is he showing all the signs?

[freemefast]

It comes down to Bill's honesty whether this guy is 'NWO' or not. He does seem taken with this 'Charles' bloke. I guess only time will tell.

[maxi]

Bill sounds like he was shitting himself all through the video...'Charlie' the alpha male was all over him...

Looks like he's being played like a piano. The guy even said in the early part of the interview - 'I can get under anyone's skin and gain their confidence...'

Maybe this is his way of ruining Project Camelot from the inside. Although why they'd want to is beyond me. They do a good enough job themselves.

All I know, is that all the elite-speak garbage was sending my bullshitometer way into the red...

[justin_pushka]

It was a realy interesting vid. I have a minor concern and a major one. The minor one is that it could be a set up to disinfo bill then ruin his cred. The major concern is that.............

The basic gist of the whole vid is the unapointed leaders of the world consider the world broken (sounds like the global warming scam again) and people HAVE to be culled. The cull is presented as a dispasionate survival of the fittest cull by way of tweeking nature. For us little people the threat of the control system taking away our rights to food and self production of food is horifying. Its intimated that the ETs dont care so were on our own. This would make one fearful of the future. so why? que bono, Who gains from the info presented?

Well bill pleadingly says something like "well cant we all as a humanity sort these problems out so this doesnt have to happen?". this makes me think that it is actually us who are being disinfoed here. Its now ripe for bill and charles to say @well weve discused it with the rulers and there is a way, they say if we accept theyre rulership and agree to their terms ie a new world order and currency, chipping etc then we can enter a brave new world of co-operation and we can sort things out together without a need for such drastic culling.

I really think its us being set up here. All the tech all the fire power so why do they need our consent? cos theres too many people and they are too few. The fact they have to constantly nudge us, use subliminals and constant propaganda says to me that they know they cant just march in with force they want us to do the work for them.

Basicly they are playing out the senario from ayn rands atlas shrugged where the most powerfull men withdraw their services to hold humanity to ransom. it seems that ayn rands book is going to be the blue print for how they get us little people to agree to the new world.

[zarah]

I totally agree with you.

I don't trust Project Camelot although if you ask me why I can only tell you I have a gut feeling, so nothing more concrete than that. I don't know whether the guy who's voice I recognise (and I asked my sister and a friend I grew up with if they recognised him and they didn't) is telling the truth (I suspect he is in part) but I agree that we're the ones who are being played. It's funny that this is happening at the same time as the Wikileaks malarky, as if we're to believe that some of them are on our side.

[zarah]

The forum's interesting.

A poster mentioned that 'Charles' said he knew Gary McKinnon (I didn't hear that bit)...I've been beginning to think all is not as it seems with Gary's case.

[piratecooper]

Notes on Rulers of the World interview

FIGHTING THE GOOD FIGHT

a review by Kerry Lynn Cassidy from Project Camelot of The Rulers of the World interview by Bill Ryan

May the best 'man' win? Is that where this is at? With the recent interview released by Bill Ryan the questions that arise are many.

According to a Source, 'Charles" is not telling the truth when he says the nuclear option is off the table. They substantiate this by referencing recent nuclear tests by France and clandestine nuclear tests that are likely going on underground in India and elsewhere. It is of course highly desirable that be the case. The shutdown of the minutemen missiles documented by Robert Salas and other recent disclosure witnesses at the National Press Club would seem to support this idea. The trouble is, the data is conflicting.

So what else about what is talked about in the interview with Charles, is questionable, in either the lack of clear information or the obfuscation of the material? The clearest statement seems to be in relation to the threat from GMO foods. The garnering of control over the seeds. But this is old news and well known in the alternative community. Monsanto and other companies have been working hard to push that agenda. The names of these companies are out there. Why the huge resistance and warning against stating the obvious? Of course who controls the seeds and the lack of heritage seeds in circulation obviously narrows the controls over those who produce the crops... And the dumbing down and weakening of immune systems and possibly a multitude of other detrimental effects all point to a very damning conclusion so much so that various European countries have simply banned the use of GMO seeds. Again this is known.

So what is going on here? This man appears to have had an interaction with some kind of AI or possibly mind control to where his original 'program' was modified so that he becomes more an agent provocateur than an outright assassin. Maybe this is just a natural trajectory. It stands to reason that bumping people off and making their lives miserable if they don't toe the line can be a very disheartening way to exist. It might even give one cancer or some incurable disease. Working for the dark side is not good for ones health it would appear.

But from what I know, this person, though it is not revealed on the screen, has gone through a kind of Jason Bourne type of experience... Where his insubordination was punished...yet he survived. From the interview we know that somehow he has managed to convince his handlers that turning him--using him to start a dialog with the 'alternative community' as we are called, is apparently considered a worthwhile exercise or experiment.

And so, he steps forward and does the interview with my partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan. To quote from my recent article called "Wikileaks: The Magus in Deep Black" ..."But those behind the scenes in this surveillance society, the ones who call themselves Magus, who manipulate the effects of the truly courageous actions of the bright stars, diamonds in the rough, under their Control, cannot be ignored. It is necessary that we go deeper into the black, what some would call, above black, to discover the real war being fought."

Indeed this is the real question. Unfortunately this recent interview does little to reveal anything more about the Controllers. The info about UFO's being shot down is also old news. No one, at least no one I know, believed they crossed solar systems to crash from mechanical failures! We know they have been shot down. Particle beam weapons, scaler technology, some early radar based, laser technology from Wilhelm Reich... this is all out there. Indeed the truth is out there. Even this witness agrees.

So what about the "laughter surrounding the 2012" issue? How can this remain a joke when in the next breath he talks about the uncontrollable Sun and the sensibleness of establishing an out of the way 'farm' to prepare for what the future may bring. Starvation is clearly part of the agenda... So storing food in underground bases, out of the way of the dreaded solar CMEs doesn't sound funny any longer. And of course this is what governments are also doing. Why is he contradicting himself one wonders. Unless of course one realizes that is the modus operandi for agents. There is obviously a recognition of the need to throw some truth into the mix, such as the binary system (yes we know this) and modular space craft (yes) in with misdirection and flattery.

So what is the flattery involved and what does it mean? Unfortunately, like any good love affair the implication is that Bill 'turned his head' and made him rethink his priorities. Of course as charming as Bill is, this is still too much to believe. And this is one of the glaring problems within the body of the piece. Acknowledged that it is lonely at the top or close to it, especially when one is a lone gunman.. Finding a fine rapport with an individual of good intellect is albeit encouraging and even gratifying. But does it change the agenda?

Bill states "'Charles has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference." This is patently untrue. Evidence to the contrary is everywhere. It does not square with Bob Dean's assertion that the Anunnaki are walking the halls of the Pentagon. Presumably doing more than just 'strolling'. Or Wendell Stevens, the laudable researcher who recently passed on, and who, just before he died, said to his good friend, Bob Dean, that there is no doubt that the Anunnaki are ruling this Earth.

And so, we have what Charles is calling the "Fair contest". Sorry there is no fairness involved here. On the contrary. This game is rigged. Very much so. Since the beginning. Rule by secrecy is what they call it.

When Bill told me about his interaction with Charles I asked him to read a rather old and forgotten book but one that made a great impression on me when I was around 12. Yes, I was young and rather adventurous when it came to reading material. The book is called THE MAGUS by John Fowles. I encourage everyone who hasn't to read it before finding out what happens at the end. Because it is in the journey that one experiences the real effect. But suffice to say, that this mode of operation is how 'they' think. It may be found to be highly instructive when applied to the current drama between Bill and his friendly adversary turned protector.

So what then is the game? And who again, are the Controllers. One source has told me that discussing who they are is off-limits... So are they 33? Are they, as they are reported to consider themselves "pure human"? Or, much more likely, are they really pure reptilian-human hybrids from one branch of the Anunnaki?

Are they of angelic human lineage as described by Ashyana Deane? Unlikely, given they are the self-proclaimed rulers of this planet. Because what is clearer than most anything else is that angelic humans, those who came from off planet are certainly not the Controllers. The takeover by the present group happened back around the time of the altering of the DNA of humanity back in the 'deep abzu' according to the Sumerian tablets. The initial dumbing down. So this group of very wealthy rulers are not pure human at least in this sense, by any means. So that must be a 'cover'.

And where do they operate from? Certainly the City of London is one of their bases of operations. Another, I am told is the state of Israel. Recently, I was told that a major alternative media personality is working as an agent to redirect attention away from the Mossad and the state of Israel because this is an Anunnaki base of operations within the Middle East. Makes sense if you think about it. If they started as Sitchin says they did in Babylon then they aren't far from 'home' at least as far as an earthly sense of that word.

And, they said, this has nothing to do with the Jewish culture. The state of Israel was established as a place for the bankers to operate from, to launder money and one would extrapolate, to establish a stronghold in the Middle East in the center of the oil cartel... This is an interesting line of investigation. Of course, anyone who veers in this direction is instantly accused of being anti-semitic. What a great cover for a deep black operation. This, I am told has nothing to do with the Hasidic or traditional Jews.

Although, it does have to do with the Rothschilds. And the bankers. And ultimately, it is about bloodlines.. what kind of superman inhabits this planet and then, goes out and terraforms others.

If Bill has his wish and manages to get another interview with Charles, it is likely they will begin to sketch out the bloodline issue. But whether this explanation will bring us any closer to the truth is another matter.

Of course Mars has to be one of the more likely real home bases in this solar system at present. All the indicators point to this. The recent information we received regarding the Venture Star and the routine flights off planet from the underground base in Utah, near Dugway.. as the JPL website states... "the Utah Test & Training Range provides the largest overland contiguous block of restricted airspace in the continental United States authorized for supersonic flight, available for aircrew training and weapons testing." That's pretty clear. Room for 35 scientists on each flight, we were told. Very well.

It is a misdirection to say this group of 33 that Charles is referring to is not the "illuminati". The fact is, the philosophy of the illuminati, goes deeply into this group... It must. Because it's the occult philosophy that they clearly use to operate out of. For more on this, read the RA Material.

So what is behind the visit from the lone assassin who has supposedly turned the tables on his handlers and in return found he has tops 4 years to live as a result? Isn't it much more likely that any change of heart on his part (and I wouldn't rule this out, after all, Camelot was established for just such people, defectors, I call them... whistleblowers from the matrix who are coming over to our side. To the light.) But in vetting such a one, we must be careful. Because, as is clear here, this person, not unlike several we have dealt with, is working, even openly as a double-agent. He is reporting back to the 'other' side, while stating that Bill is safe, (and I assume myself) as long as he is alive. Although from the sound of things that would mean our days are 'numbered' as they say if this is true. But, as he says, let the best 'man' win, survival of the fittest... and so on. Let the games begin in other words. On this new round. At the start of 2011.

Note: none of the above is meant to detract from the strong interview conducted by Bill Ryan or the possibility that this man Charles is exactly who he claims to be. Although that is still an open question.

To continue, when Bill uses the opportunity to interview Charles as a platform to make a plea to the so-called 33 for the viability of a different approach to solving the problems on the planet and against their favorite eugenics program.. this is laudable, however quaint in its approach. The trouble is, one must know that they are well familiar with the arguments against. And as Charles says have considered all the options. Sure it doesn't hurt to use this unique opportunity to state the case again... however, I have to say, this ignores the fact that you are talking to the tiger itself, about its own tools in the toolbox, such as free energy and space travel capability probably 1000 years in advance of anything we know of in the public sector and asking if they will consider playing fair. After 1000s of years of doing the opposite, playing on their advantage (off-world advantage) using power in service to self for aeons one rather doubts that another momentary plea will stop them in their tracks or even alter the playing field in any way.

This is actually already an open dialog between the alternative community and 'this lot'. And the answer coming back has sadly been anything but inspiring. But, this does not detract from the fact that this interview, and this kind of dialog is a step in the right direction. One might as well have out with it. The trouble is, that the Controllers are still in hiding. And those who appear to be in charge are being managed. That much is certain. The evidence is everywhere.

So where does this leave us? On the trail of the Anunnaki... for one. No doubt about it. The trouble is, that in this layered game, there are many off-planet races involved. And each group seems to think they are the ones in charge.

Another interesting bit of information from another source tells me that the newest arrivals from 'outer space' are working with the Chinese. And that China is, as a result, building up their war machine at an unprecedented rate. The 'new guys' on the block are not friendly to the rest of us. And they are supplying China with the means to even the playing field. So much for the 'China is our savior' PR campaign that has had some success among the 'alternative community'.

On another note, from what I understand from still another source, Julian Assange may indeed be working for a certain side. And the question still remains when considering who one works for in this game, that what the agenda of the given player is, must be taken into consideration along with that of the group they play for. Because if one finds oneself in sympathy with the agenda of one side, say over another, and, in furthering the agenda of the group one works for one furthers one's own equally important agenda then where's the harm? I imagine this is what we have to consider when looking at the case of Julian Assange or anyone who has behind the scenes elected to work for any group.

What is troubling is when one considers that ones allegiances are often practical as well as limited by the amount of depth and understanding one brings to the big picture... ie. the playing field... in all its dimensions and aspects. This is unavoidable. Where are the blinders? What are the limits of knowledge or prejudice any one individual brings to the table when considering where to cast ones vote or take ones stand? And then, a certain degree of tolerance even kindness has to be brought to bear in understanding why one individual cast their lot in with one group vs. another. The path of light is often shrouded in illusion.

Therefore, the issue with respect to Charles and even Julian has to be: which group and what agenda?? This is where the labyrinth becomes daunting and intimidating in every respect. Because again as perhaps too often quoted and yet too often found to be true, as Hoagland says 'the lie is different at every level'. And what level are we talking about at any given time has to be taken into consideration. Especially when asking or answering a question.

It is instructive to know that information given to humans at this stage is done so with this in mind. And when considering the Galactic playing field the game changes at least from our perspective. This is where false flags such as Project Blue Beam a faked alien invasion aimed at uniting us as Reagan so wistfully put it 'against a common enemy' comes to the fore. And the trouble is, that while they spin this fake alien invasion scenario to certain ends, the real invasion, interference and yes, war, has been going on all along. It's just that many never take the time to look behind the curtain long enough to see it. Layers upon layers.

We are at the brink of a Brave New World indeed. As Corso said 'if you can take it'... and I would add, whether you can take it or not. Moving into this New Year, it is useful to survey the playing field and see where we stand.

Addendum

Ultimately, the question on this planet comes down to sovereignty and then the inheritors. Because all the bloodline secrecy and genetic manipulation has to ultimately result in a race of humanity 2.0 .... possibly even more than one resulting race. Those in control who wish to maintain their control are doing so using money (as energy) but their desired objective is clearly superman or as I have stated, robotic superman because it appears highly likely given their established penchant for technology ... that they will go the way of AI/robotics/biological androids rather than to simply let the human evolve into the highest order of beingness they are capable of.

The potential in our DNA indicates that we have built in capability to be so much more than what we are at present. But allowing that angelic human to manifest is slow in contrast to the manipulated hybrid option. Control of the line is unlikely to yield the best out of this mix... because in the end, it is not perfection we are after but impeccability. This is a profound distinction and one which seems to have been lost at least to those who wish to manipulate our genome.

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[kingmob]

This is a double post BTW. there is a thread on this exact same video in the Illuminati Subforum.

Here is my review of the video there:

This interview is pretty garbagy, just in line with the type of information they usually "allow" to be released. There is absolutely nothing interesting here, and I watched the whole 2 hours just to see what's the "MUST watch" label was given for. Its just the same old, same old...

Let's see....

You can clearly form an opinion that the speaker is highly logical individual, that does not care much for anything out of left field of his knowledge.

Spirituality is a concept he cares little about.

He does not care for humanity. And has very little sympathy for anyone but himself.

Admits to being a devious individual with corrupted morals.



Everything that he mentions, or discusses is presented in a very vague manner, without revealing anything that isn't already known. He makes attempts to mask the real reasoning behind some of his logic and create a misdirection with his logical conclusions.
Let's review what he deemed worthy of his time:

Collapse of the food chain networks -- Nothing new, been discussed here for the past 18 months. There have been plenty of tidbits of information that have alerted some of the curious masses of the this. Presented GMOs as being necessary for the masses, which is simply not true.

2012 Apocalyptic scenario being bogus -- I think most people know that there won't be an apocalypse, and any possible event is being masked as one in order to produce additional fear and confuse the masses. Of course, the Apocalyptic scenarios are bogus. Yet, he did not deny the fact that there will be discuptions due to solar activity(in addition to other possible scenarios)....He simply downplayed it as nothing special, yet continued on as it will create large problems for the population of the whole planet. Just another misdirection from this man.

At least 70% of the alternative media talk is BS -- I completely agree here, but this is just another oversimplified statement. Anyone who has any sense and put in some time into any type of basic "conpiracy" research knows that there is a lot of BS in all streams of information, and again this is nothing new. We all know that the truth is dissiminated with mostly garbage to confuse us.

Education is garbage -- NO argument here from me. Most already know that too.

There will be no nuclear war, as it is not beneficial to anyone -- Yea, that makes sense, but you don't have to be on the inside to make that conclusion.

Divide and conquer strategy to keep masses separated - Nothing new...

Illuminati care about us, and that's why they want to starve most to death, and to rid Earth of excess -- Yea, I've heard this before too....All I can do at this point is laugh at this. This is how they want to be viewed, as teachers and saviors of humanity - but if you know anything about anything, you know that this is simply a lie to keep propagating their dominant control and subservience.

One world Government is coming - We all know that is the plan. Thanks for uncovering the truth...


IN conclusion, There is no point watching this video. If you have been around the forums for a while, you will not learn anything, and if you haven't been around that long, there isn't much information being revealed to be worthy of your time. The man simply avoids most topics, and presents everything as vaguely as possible, without revealing anything that might be deemed as new or interesting, or simply oversimplifies some statements in order to misdirect or misguide. Text book "insider" revelation tactics. Don't be fooled.

[kimball13]

damit now ive gota listen, probley crap, but then what do i know.

maybe a finely tuned bloodline ear might hear something.

never know, after all allot can be said by what is avoided

[kimball13]

well two minutes in the interveiw, his opening statement about charles pretty much sums it up.

could they be speaking to me dirrectly, or have i been speaking from another end of things.

anyways it would take a very long post to explain further.

and im sure some have seen my prior posts and such, some probley just figure im a nutcase theorist of sorts with some weird complex.

just think of the story of the cornerstone that was thought to defective was cast on to the rubbish pile,,,,,,,,near the end of the completion of the great work they misplaced the keystone(capstone)they while find that they thought defective cornerstone is actualy the keystone.

strange, anyways, good thing im not to thin skinned in some ways.

[cosmicstardust]

I have this playing as I write and agree with alot of what has been said on this thread. The mutual flattery going on is making me feel like they should get a room or something. The thing I picked up early on is that this guy is all about what he is like, like its written in stone and he is always going to be like that. And he said he always kept his commitments, his word is his word blah blah blah. Straight of a Brit flick. Then he is all about how he changed because of Bill Ryan! Per-leaze! Or maybe he is like a cat playing with a mouse? Just enjoying the game? Bill Ryan seems to be in awe as a previous poster mentioned. I agree. He is like someone caught up in an Indiana Jones scenario with himself playing the leading role.
Usually I consider myself pretty open minded, non-judgemental etc etc. But I intuitively think that Bill Ryan is being played like a pawn. And am pretty riled about the whole thing right now. Maybe I will come back and comment when I have finished listening and calmed down a bit!
Sorry for the rant!

[freemefast]

I have this playing as I write and agree with alot of what has been said on this thread. The mutual flattery going on is making me feel like they should get a room or something. The thing I picked up early on is that this guy is all about what he is like, like its written in stone and he is always going to be like that. And he said he always kept his commitments, his word is his word blah blah blah. Straight of a Brit flick. Then he is all about how he changed because of Bill Ryan! Per-leaze! Or maybe he is like a cat playing with a mouse? Just enjoying the game? Bill Ryan seems to be in awe as a previous poster mentioned. I agree. He is like someone caught up in an Indiana Jones scenario with himself playing the leading role.
Usually I consider myself pretty open minded, non-judgemental etc etc. But I intuitively think that Bill Ryan is being played like a pawn. And am pretty riled about the whole thing right now. Maybe I will come back and comment when I have finished listening and calmed down a bit!
Sorry for the rant!

I've got to concur with what you said. It does seem like Bill's ego has gotten the better of him and the vid is lacking in substance. If this bloek does work for TPTB then he is probably playing Bill for an fool.

[diky]

I've got to concur with what you said. It does seem like Bill's ego has gotten the better of him and the vid is lacking in substance. If this bloek does work for TPTB then he is probably playing Bill for an fool.

I have watched the video twice now and I think 'Charles' comes across as nothing but a conman

I hope Bill knows something that we don't and thats what made him believe this and its not just down to what 'Charles' has told him and the telepathic link I think he mentioned.

Is there any evidence to the claims of being shot at, going to prison and losing millions of pounds?

The inteview is extremely wishy-washy and Bill answers a lot of the stuff himself which seems to be excused by the idea that 'Charles' has to allude to everything or is not eloquent enough to explain it, very convenient

Take the reference to the Georgia guidestones, I got the impression 'Charles' knew nothing about them whereas Bill seems to take his response as if he knew something but couldn't reveal it (admittedly we couldn't see his face)

I get the impression that Bills ego has been dazzled by the thought that the absolute elite are concerned by his brilliance

[cosmicstardust]

The inteview is extremely wishy-washy and Bill answers a lot of the stuff himself which seems to be excused by the idea that 'Charles' has to allude to everything or is not eloquent enough to explain it, very convenient

Take the reference to the Georgia guidestones, I got the impression 'Charles' knew nothing about them whereas Bill seems to take his response as if he knew something but couldn't reveal it (admittedly we couldn't see his face)

I get the impression that Bills ego has been dazzled by the thought that the absolute elite are concerned by his brilliance[/QUOTE]


Yes, absolutely! 'Charles' used the body language techniques he'd been boasting about earlier on Bill. I wonder if Bill watches this back he'll see he was just manipulated and a good eg is the Georgia guidestones ref. C clearly knew nothing about them and just used very obvious techniques to feed back the responsibility to B to say more about them.
The guy (as previous posters have said) says nothing that isn't already out in the open. He hints at a lot he knows but isn't going to divulge - Bill seems to love this and gives the impression he knows it all as well but isn't going to tell us ordinary people. There is a lot of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, (sniffs conspiratorially). Talk about Elitist!
C. states quite clearly he doesn't care what happens to humans or the planet. So the only reason I can see for him to do the interview is to fulfil whatever contract he has with whoever employs him and is just stringing out the game, hiding his intentions in plain sight, if you like.
Blimey, I never realised I cared enough about bloody Avalon to get so annoyed! Breathe, breathe!:)

[freemefast]

I have watched the video twice now and I think 'Charles' comes across as nothing but a conman

I hope Bill knows something that we don't and thats what made him believe this and its not just down to what 'Charles' has told him and the telepathic link I think he mentioned.

Is there any evidence to the claims of being shot at, going to prison and losing millions of pounds?

The inteview is extremely wishy-washy and Bill answers a lot of the stuff himself which seems to be excused by the idea that 'Charles' has to allude to everything or is not eloquent enough to explain it, very convenient

Take the reference to the Georgia guidestones, I got the impression 'Charles' knew nothing about them whereas Bill seems to take his response as if he knew something but couldn't reveal it (admittedly we couldn't see his face)

I get the impression that Bills ego has been dazzled by the thought that the absolute elite are concerned by his brilliance


Yes, absolutely! 'Charles' used the body language techniques he'd been boasting about earlier on Bill. I wonder if Bill watches this back he'll see he was just manipulated and a good eg is the Georgia guidestones ref. C clearly knew nothing about them and just used very obvious techniques to feed back the responsibility to B to say more about them.
The guy (as previous posters have said) says nothing that isn't already out in the open. He hints at a lot he knows but isn't going to divulge - Bill seems to love this and gives the impression he knows it all as well but isn't going to tell us ordinary people. There is a lot of nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, (sniffs conspiratorially). Talk about Elitist!
C. states quite clearly he doesn't care what happens to humans or the planet. So the only reason I can see for him to do the interview is to fulfil whatever contract he has with whoever employs him and is just stringing out the game, hiding his intentions in plain sight, if you like.
Blimey, I never realised I cared enough about bloody Avalon to get so annoyed! Breathe, breathe!:)

Bill's going to post a FAQ answering questions on the avalon forum. Regardless of some clarifications that he makes to any detractors, fact is, Charles, like you say, is most likely a conman. Be interesting to see how this develops. To be fair it is different to the normal stuff we get.

[thirty3]

probably like most others here I have watched a lot of project cam vids and i dont like saying this but that is the poorest one I have seen.

Answering questions with questions does not fill the viewer with confidence. I just dont see why he gave the interview for the information that was given.

I dont think what tiny piece of information was given was even new information.

A full 2 hour waste of time.

[diky]

I dont think what tiny piece of information was given was even new information.


People keep mentioning that there is no new information

It is stated in the video that almost all the content is already out there,
Bill seems to be using it to CONFIRM information.

That is why I would be very interested to see how he vets these people before he presents this stuff as ground breaking, hopefully with a bit more than the result of ego stroking, intimidation, and telepathy

[piratecooper]

January 6, 2010

DARK LORDS

Given that this interview was a sort of man in the street conversation that does not address some of the deeper issues raised... I feel one statement in particular needs to be addressed.

"'Charles has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference." This statement is at the beginning of Bill Ryan's interview with Charles (not his real name) an assassin who was sent to kill Bill or "deal with" him who changed his mind and has since become a sort of representative of what he calls the 33 people who rule the world at least as far as in conducting this dialog with the so-called alternative community. I feel we need to look closer at the above statement.

First of all, the statement is purposely vague. Who "initiated this project" meaning the human race 'project'? A huge question. And I cannot begin to answer it here. Nor do I have all the information. At the moment, I don't know, whether the 33 who call themselves the 'rulers of this Earth' are even aware of the true beginnings of humanity. I do know that there is evidence that the human experiment had more than one beginning on this planet. And was wiped out and restarted several times. Possibly by different ET races. And that it may have started on other planets. I also know that the version of human currently on this planet is a mixture of many genetic experiments (interference) by many ET races. Not the least was what Sitchin referred to as the Anunnaki.

For the best overview of the various experimentations that have taken place on this planet with regard to humanity the Voyager series by Ashayana Deane seems to have the most detailed information. At this point, however, we have a problem. Given that many of us are in touch with various ET races, some through channeling, some through face to face dialog and some through other means such as electronic downloads etc. One may assume that unless the 33 we are talking about here are not human but representatives of the ETs, that they too, are interacting with various ET races in the same ways. Maybe face to face mostly? At that point, assuming they are human and not ET then one must assume they are dealing with at least one race of ETs face to face (more or less) or more. So it comes as a given that they (the 33) are in dialog with and working with the dark, service to self ETs. Why? Because they themselves are, obviously, as seen by the way they run this world, dark. It is expressly clear they aren't listening to the "light side" or the results here on planet Earth would be manifestly different.

However, the problem is we don't know what it is the so-called 33 know and what they don't know. We can however estimate at the very least their understanding of where humanity started goes back to the deep Abzu and the altering of our DNA to limit our development by the Anunnaki. The apparent idea being that we developed so rapidly that we were going to out-populate and evolve beyond the Anunnaki themselves and therefore they would lose power over the humans.. so they dumbed them down. This at least can be understood and the evidence is clear... Our mis-named 'junk' DNA being an indicator of this.

However, in dealing with the interview by Bill Ryan one has to look at the above statement and then give the ET race alluded to in that statement, a name and a face. Needless to say, the statement was too general. But taking it at face value we can make a few basic points. If we assume, the ET race being referred to is those designated as the Anunnaki then we at least have a starting point.

So we need to figure out who the 33 think 'started this experiment'. And whether, the 33 and by default us, are created in their image ie. whether the ET progenitor race used their own DNA to create us or whether they simply started the experiment using DNA from other races/species. I suggest we ask them what they think they know about this... unfortunately at this point, the answer is not forthcoming. Of course the question has been out there for millions of years plaguing humanity.... But I digress. ..

Assuming again, that this time around, the Anunnaki used their own DNA, then we have a Progenitor race and we are their descendants, as are, in theory the 33. But here again you get into more difficulty because the 33 are-- unless they are pure one ET race or another, made up of different strains of DNA just as all of us are.. Even if they are Reptilian and human. If they are human that is still a hybrid... and in regard to the Reptilian side we have, for example, the Reptilian-Anunnaki hybrids. So one cannot even make the statement that the ETs that started this experiment have a policy of non-interference. The evidence is to the contrary because if their current administrators (the 33) are still influenced by them, worship them (!) or follow them.. then by default they are still interfering if only through their descendents. However, we know that the 33 are influenced and we know they are most likely running things a certain way, by the evidence around us, money and bloodlines being their ticket in to their positions... and so on...

But, if I take the premise of the interview with Charles at face value that he is actually a representative of the 33 who really do 'rule the world'. Then what do we have? Well if I rule the world I have armies with black technology that includes free energy, interstellar space travel, bases on Mars and the moon, underground bases here on Earth that comprise whole cities if not nations... since I have all the money I am responsible for starvation, deprivation you name it...I allow it not only that I 'dictate' it and so on. When I say jump all these minions (and governments) in theory jump or I bring pressure to bear in one form or another sometimes in the guise of this man "Charles"....

So given this to be the case.... I am responsible therefore, for the secrecy going back decades, for the wars that are orchestrated by me and my minions, for the famine, the disease and the current state of the planet (not good)...because I have kept the technology and the heritage belonging to the human race secret from them.

I have for example free access to all the deep recesses in the Vatican Library where supposedly much of the truth in written form if it exists at all, resides. I made sure of this because whenever a new discovery was made or ancient text discovered I made sure to spirit it away into my catacombs without it falling into the hands of the masses. I have killed with impunity anyone who 'knew too much' or attempted to usurp my power... and so on.

These rulers are aware of and in charge of the decision made when the 2 ET races (one service to self and the other service to others) met with Eisenhower and we chose to do business with the negative ETs in exchange for technology and let the Greys (who work for the Nordics and Reptilians) continue abductions to create a grey-human hybrid among other things...

As rulers of the earth with black technology, etc presumably I have met with several ET races, my scientists work alongside several races and I am also instructing my military to shoot down the ships of ETs we are at war with.... etc.

So if this man Charles represents the 33... and they are indeed the rulers of this world...then they are dark, dark, power over others, service to self, magicians of the blackest of the black... in essence those known as Dark Lords.

And with this in mind, let's go back to the interview and see just how the questions and answers took place in this interview and see whether any of it makes any real sense. What will be clear from the outset is that so much is not asked, gone unchallenged and unanswered that the only suggestion I can make is that another interview be conducted and this time, prepare the questions for the Dark Lords you wish to address. Because, although we got some of Charles' personal back story we still have heard little of consequence and nothing new so far...

Oh, and by the way, word came back to me that the 33 were not happy with my prior statement. You should tell them that actually I am not at all happy with them either. In fact I am downright pissed-off about it...

You wanna talk? Let's talk.

Go to my previous post Fighting the Good Fight on January 2, 2010.

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[shaundermody]

Hi All, i watched this vidio with a mate, who, at the end said to me... so the best thing for me to do now (only got started on whats really going on about two months ago) is
to keep an eye on Bill Ryan, because this charles has been close to the (33) and is in the know, and most of the other websites are probably leeding us down a path of nonsencs and getting funded and helped along. this started a very long conversation of which has not finnished yet, but, i worry as to how many other people came away with the same view. i thuoght it was a good marketing ploy for Bill and his cause but have seen better. All The Best To YOU And ALL. CHEERS.

[shaundermody]

Hi Piratecooper. I thought that all items covered, sorry mentioned, were vague.
six months talking should equal a bit more than 1hour 10 mins interview,
must have been loads of editing,
and then Bill takes up most of the talk time by stumbling over words and questions
that should at least be ready by script or footnotes at least.
for an interview of this supposed importance there seemed to be
little to no preperation. ALL the BEST to YOU. Shaun.

[freemefast]

Here's Bill expanding on the interview. I gotta say it has changed my outllok listening to his perspective on it and following th ecoments on the Avalon forum.

Bill Ryan's commentary on the RULERS OF THE WORLD interview - YouTube

[cosmicstardust]

Here's Bill expanding on the interview. I gotta say it has changed my outllok listening to his perspective on it and following th ecoments on the Avalon forum




Thanks, I watched this and it does at least make Bill's approach more clear doesn't it?

[freemefast]

Here's Bill expanding on the interview. I gotta say it has changed my outllok listening to his perspective on it and following th ecoments on the Avalon forum.



Oops. Apologies for the bad spelling:o

Thanks, I watched this and it does at least make Bill's approach more clear doesn't it?

Yeah, in Bill's defence he has explained a lot by answering 100+ questions. This is one to watch I feel.

[cosmicstardust]

Lol, seems Bill Ryan has even caused some stir over at the web-bots...this from Clif High:

Nice doggie, there Bill...try again...you can learn this trick, we know you can...
In the past there have been a few times where it has made some sense to
post a note on current events. This note is not about what is happening
in the msm/propaganda press (who cares about scripted 'news' anyway),
but rather, because there have been several emails, is in response to the
'whistleblower' labeled 'charles' who has recently been featured on Bill
Ryan's Project Avalon web site. Having taken the time to watch, and
mainly listen as charlies face was absent from the vid, the impression
bubbles up is "eh, so what?". The inconsistencies within charlies'
statements, and his obviously limited grasp of reality (note he is
convinced that the lying scum 33/thirty three 'rulers of the world' who
are his employers would not dare lie to him, their dirty deeds specialist),
do not support his story. The language used throughout the video is yet
more hype, and no delivery. Given the total lack of any relevant
information, it begs the question of 'why' produce and release this wet
noodle of a video?

It would seem that Bill Ryan has heard the criticism as he has released
a video on YouTube in which he attempts to supply a 'back story' as to
why this is, yet-again, his most important work ever, and indeed, why
any of the 'alternative media' should give a shit about charles and his
rather old news concern over GMO foods. Yes, every human should
be seriously concerned about the evils being wrought by the GMO
foods corporations, but, again...way old news.

However, my real bitch with Bill is not the charles video, but rather his
follow-up release on YouTube. In watching this video, a couple of
things jump right out. First is the blink rate that Bill has and its
association to what he is saying at that moment. Blink rates are a key
'discomfort tell' that bring up warning flags to the viewer about the
message being sent. The blinking and other vocal tension tells are so
prevalent through out the video that one could be forgiven if they
momentarily thought that they were watching the infamous Dan Burisch
on any of his videos. But, if it were only that, it would be easy to pass on
and ignore yet another 'historic' and 'ground breaking' and 'mega
important' video from Bill Ryan. But, and you knew it was coming,
there is more.

At the core of the Bill Ryan video is the message that IF we common
people reading alternative media are 'smart enough', and 'diligent
enough' to 'learn the lesson' that the 'rulers of the world' are trying to
teach us, why, we will then prove ourselves worthy of being their
obedient pets. Ok, so Bill does not actually put it in quite those words,
but the basic message of the video is that Bill Ryan, whom we could
hereafter refer to as 'the anointed one' as he was chosen to represent all
of the unruly dogs to the 'rulers of the world', will be our conduit to our
'betters'. Just listen to the language, especially from 47minutes and 33
seconds (hmmmm 33 seconds, curious) onward. The message is quite
clear....."if we are honorable (note the hidden sub texts involved such as
just who shall judge us to be honorable?)", if we 'pick up the ball
quickly enough" (hmmm..doesn't one teach their dogs to fetch with
balls?), ..."if we respond in a way that is regarded as being
appropriate"...(hmmm, again, who shall judge our 'appropriate-
ness'?)....and then, and only then, will 'we will be
respected"....(hmmm...by our "betters?")...."then we will earn
more"...(hmm...just like good pets, eh Bill?).

But, then there is the other side of the relationship, according to Bill
Ryan as he lists the 'thou shalt nots' in the relationship....(47:51) Of
course, like good little pets we are admonished to 'chew it down'
(regardless of the taste).

Bill then closes by stating that he does not know if we 'deserve' to learn
more. Huh? What the FUCK?!

Again, WTF? Deserve to learn more?!?

Well, being an unruly pet to TPTW has always worked out for me....and
there is no reason presented by BR that alters my approach. Fuck'em. In
case the anointed one has missed it, challenge IS at the core of life.
And it just so happens that any rulers of the world WILL BE
CHALLENGED until they all fall. Sic semper tyrannis, eh dude?

So, stay tuned? Will Bill Ryan be granted an 'audience' with the 'rulers
of the world' like a good little pet?

Language uber alles, Bill....and the WHOLE of your video condenses
down to the message from these "rulers" as 'be nice doggies and maybe
we can play fetch later"....if you do not think my conclusions accurate,
then kindly show me where there is language in that video that does not
go to this point.

Ok, so many may think that this criticism of BR is too harsh. And
perhaps with some justification, after all (no offense to free thinkers
here) Bill is British and thus has been raised and indoctrinated to 'tip the
hat', and 'bend the knee' to his 'betters'...aka "the bloodline
people"...(also note how Bill says that in his video's...with internal
acceptance that is a bit chilling)....so the idea that Bill does not know
any other way to react when they push his internal buttons does have
some validity. And it can be granted that he is doing the best he can
with a still intact 'slave mind' overlay on his consciousness.

Harsh. Yes, mea culpa, but we live in a harsh universe, and one needs to
practice discernment of mind. Personally, this is a continuous struggle
for old bald guys such as myself. Probably because it is a core pursuit, it
puzzles me to not see it in other old bald guys. Oh, well, pretty sure i
have gotten it all wrong again and will be told so incessantly.

However, Bill is not known for his gentle treatment of myself or my
work, and in spite of that, my concern for his health, and mental well
being is genuine, and if he feels that any criticism made herein is not
justified, it is likely we will all know about it soon.

In closing, NO Bill, explicitly you are not being called a dog in this
posting. Rather my concern is that your words are damaging at so many
levels that they needed to be addressed. Again, any irritation expressed
here is toward the message, but of a necessity the context of the
message must also be examined in these days of rampant deception and
disinformation.

And being an old raspy dog of universe, it is easy to recognize when
someone is telling me " nice doggie...try again..you can learn this
trick...we know you can"...and which brings instantly to mind an old
motto of mine....

i am a dog who gnaws his bone.
i sit here, in my repose, gnawing alone.
There will come a day, which is not yet,
when I will bite him, by whom i am bit.

My apologies to the original French for the paraphrasing translation.


This is not an anti Bill Ryan rant. My bitch is with the language that he is trying to push out and lay upon the alternative media community. Since i count myself in that group, i choose to respond this way to his words. Get that....it is his language that is rasping on my bones, not him. In point of fact, i have an open invitation to Bill Ryan to come and sail with me in Q'oki-oki and to gnaw on universe together. He is free to video, but if he does, so will i. Should he accept, i would also ask questions, so it would be an exchange, and not an interview. This invitation is still open, and i hope he is not offended by my critique of his language. If i were to use language as he has in this video, i would greatly appreciate someone beating my head with it...a 'hey dude! WTF, eh?'. My point is to encourage Bill (and everyone reading) to examine their own assumptions and views of universe which continuously leak out in their words...in this case, not so much a leak but a flood...(watch that word...AU is not the end of it by any means, but that is for another report), and here we need to end with a very clear statement to Bill Ryan. In spite of how you may receive my words in criticism of yours, i do not mean any disrespect of you, the human. But i do invite you to review your own video and then debate my conclusions about what is actually on view to universe.

Link to the Bill Ryan video on YouTube is here.



clif

January 10, 2011


:):D

[cosmicstardust]

Oops. Apologies for the bad spelling:o


No worries, I thought your ecoments were observations with green credentials :D

[freemefast]

Lol, seems Bill Ryan has even caused some stir over at the web-bots...this from Clif High:

Dunno what his problem is tbh. Bill said he won't debate with him tho.

No worries, I thought your ecoments were observations with green credentials :D

:D:D

[xeon]

Watched the video but felt too bored and unconvinced that I switched off after 20 something minutes.

This Charles guy talks and gestures like a conman, IMO. I would think for someone who works so high up at that "level" that he would at least be cosmopolitan enough to lose that Brit accent (be very well traveled).

I'm not entirely convinced that he really is in contact with the so called 33 as he claims. But at any rate, the stuff there is like so many pointed out, old, old news.

Although the depressing thing is that everything that we know is unveiling in slow motion. And it's happening because of the stupidity and apathy of the world, and even many within the "truth" community.

End of the day, the masses get the world they "want".

[cosmicstardust]

[QUOTE=freemefast;1059592143]Dunno what his problem is tbh. Bill said he won't debate with him tho.


I did something I've never done before and emailed Clif to tell him his cursing and rant would surely have an effect out there in the universe just like he was accusing Bill of doing with his use of language. I got a pretty cryptic reply which I am still trying to decipher. No doubt, whatever your view of this Charles character it has certainly caused a reaction!

I did try and find a reaction from Bill on Avalon but get so bogged down with the five threads on the go that I gave up. Will try again later.

[freemefast]

I did something I've never done before and emailed Clif to tell him his cursing and rant would surely have an effect out there in the universe just like he was accusing Bill of doing with his use of language. I got a pretty cryptic reply which I am still trying to decipher. No doubt, whatever your view of this Charles character it has certainly caused a reaction!

Sounds weird. Maybe he feels a bit of a prat for saying what he did (or the way he said it).


I did try and find a reaction from Bill on Avalon but get so bogged down with the five threads on the go that I gave up. Will try again later.

He just said "Not a chance" and left it at that. I don't blame him tbh.

[john white]

I've engaged with this on the Avalon forum. I'll present my opening post from on there for consideration. From the outset, understand that even if this is total baloney, I'm gaining from the opportunity to test out and expand my perceptions.

The interview with Charles, IMO, has a multdimensional aspect to it: the speech is almost irrelevant (remember Icke says the same about what he says in his talks: that the words are an excuse for the brain to chillax and the energy to come through: true) there are a lot of subtle things that catch my attention.

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Greetings all

I've specifically joined the forum to discuss thoughts on this recent Video (not to say I may not chip in here and there), because I follow my intuition and my intuition is telling me there is enough of a possibility here to make the chance of getting some dialogue across worthwhile... I do have a fair amount to share on this, whether that will be multiple posts I cant say, probably will be

To start with a few qualifiers:

I'm not here because I "believe" Charles.. or Bill... or anyone, as such. Belief in itself has limited usefulness, if expressed in absolutes and defended as castle walls of the id... neither am I fixated on what is "true" or not... truth is perspective, the greater truths are the larger perspectives. Not all can see them, not all can hold them, so they only exist for the perceiver. If I told you something that I firmly and completely believed was true, in all honesty and genuineness... yet what I believed was true was completely untrue... have I dis-info'd you? Or, if you believed what I had said without due diligence on your own part, would it rather be that you had dis-info'd yourself?

To get beyond the absolutism of belief/non belief truth/false and all that duality, to transcend the programmed responses of mind alone, requires a dis-association from judgement... to hold two, or three, or indeed many many, absolutely contradictory things as all equally possibly true and to not be discomforted

So bearing the above in mind, I'd like to start from the outset with the understanding that I am not especially perturbed with whether or not Charles is telling the truth objectively, the truth as he sees it, or indeed, purposely not telling the truth. Given Charles declared nature, it could even be unwise to consider anything he said to represent truth at all. But I suspect that the elements of his communication that most represent truth are the areas that we should already know, at least as a feeling

Now there have been other declared "insiders" come forward in recent years who have claimed to speak for or at least represent the views of the "controllers", and to be honest, I could have written those myself... it only requires a little imagination and a bit of synthesis to place oneself in the character of another. I wouldn't do that, mostly because I wouldn't be bothered, and I'm quite content to be myself and represent the uniqueness of my perspective without fear or prejudice... but I recognise that I could

Where Charles differs from those earlier communications is that this is a video... a video of the back of the head sure, but a video none the less, and as a medium video allows more insight into the messenger as well as the message... he's clearly not some twerp in a bedroom making stuff up and posting on ATS or similar, he's a living being sat in front of Bill with human responses that can be interpreted... and as Charles himself says, such responses can be simulated... but even observing simulation can be insightful

Of course, all of that must be balanced with the possibility that nothing about Charles represents truth on any level... that he's not a mr fixit, no more knows the elite than my aunt sally and so on... so anything I'm posting here is posted from a take-it-as-read benefit of the doubt stand point. As mentioned, my intuition feels its worth the chance

So to make a start...

Well lets pop one bubble right away, one of the most common mistakes people tend to make

Assuming these 33 families exist at all, in any form: the don't control the world: and they know they don't. Control is an attitude they assume as a intention from which their energies flow... but it is an illusion. No matter how much money (tokens of energy) and resulting "power" they have to shape reality: its not control

It's influence

And there is a big and crucial difference between control and influence... no matter how much influence one has... its never truly control... its the appearance of control when the perspective of others consents to see it so. Sufficient influence might appear to be control... but any elite would know, inside themselves, that its really influence... if it was control, they wouldn't have to keep doing the things they do to hold onto it

So we might say that power is the illusion of the elite just as powerlessness is the illusion of the masses... both are synergistic elements of the whole

Charles talks about money with some confidence, and I believe there are important clues in what he has to say. "Paper is nothing" he says, which is clearly true, money is a mechanism, and that is all, but its the consciousness one has to adopt, the ruthlessness and suppression of empathy, which is important to the elite in terms of identifying who has the qualities they need to prosecute their agenda's... absolutely. There is no point going to a spirituality enlightened person and saying "heres 10 million quid to do something dastardly for us". It's meaningless. Such a person would have to be nobbled if they represented a threat to a plan... its those who have suppressed their spirituality and ruthlessly pursed the illusions of materiality the most who are the most usable tools, at least as interfaces between the will of the elite and the domination of the masses

It's interesting to compare Charles with someone like John Perkins (Confessions of an Economic Hitman), which I believe some already have. Perkins of course is a distinctly credible witness as to the tactics of governments and corporations, because he documentedly was that "bad boy": he did do those bad things, and none can challenge him on it... but Perkins today is a man who has found his spiritual centre and clearly wishes to make some atonement for the consequences of what he set in motion or otherwise was a part of

If there is change in Charles today to how he was 6 months ago, 2 years ago, 10 years ago, it is a change in the spirit... though from what I read from Charles he might vehemently reject such a POV... he says to Bill that its un-normal in his experience for him to be able to talk to someone like bill... that he would storm out the room telling someone they are talking rubbish... its clear that to Charles "religion", which is the default programme covering over spirituality, had no special value. He dismisses any connection to a paradigm like "2012", and more significantly, describes the way the 33 see themselves as "their religion": meaning it has no grounded reality for him, has no relevance to life or the choices "smart" people make, and so on... however Bill looks at him with a wise eye and is obviously not convinced... neither am I... to change ones behaviour and ones priorities in the way Charles appears to have done is a spiritual change, even if unrecognised

I believe this is relevant to consider especially because a best resolution to the situation on Planet Earth must incorporate a spiritual change in the elite themselves... and that is a tall order! Nonetheless, its not outside possibility.. nothing is

Now I don't mean spirituality to mean contact with "god" "source" "universal consciousness" "oneness" in an obvious way... but to mean a weakening of barriers, an increasing connectivity outside of the energy shell of self... an opening up.... Charles himself puts change in himself down to a connection to a machine... from his pov, that represented a risk to obtain more "power" that backfired and has left him dying... from my POV, perhaps that interaction gave what one needed rather than what one wanted... pinch of salt all round, but I do love a dose of irony

So Charles story tells us that spirituality is a force outside of the "elites" control... well of course, its not control, its influence, and influencing the innate nature of the universe is quite a challenge... influencing how humans are taught to understand that force is another matter... but the force itself is beyond them. They are as equal as anyone else in the face of it. Important stuff to know

This suppression of spirituality explains a lot about why the elite may look to recruit from borstals, prisons, criminal gangs, casino hucksters and go-to men and so on. Suppressed spirituality is synonymous with suppressed empathy, suppressed empathy is essential to "do the dirty" on anyone, for any reason, but most especially to act as an agent for the desires of controllers

Another way this shows itself in Charles is his disinterest in the past, and in the future. As a "game player" to have a mind that sustains itself and does not run along the mental rails of "morality" is obviously essential, and Bill is absolutely right to observe the similarities between Charles attitudes to "now" and those of buddhists... the flag does not blow in the wind, it is only the mind that moves and so on... these are key understanding to self empowerment... but with Charles, these qualities exist only in a limited sense... by not looking to the past, one does not see the cyclical nature of that patterns of consciousness that have lead to the "now", by not looking to the future, one does not see the consequences of the patterns one is part of in the "now"... therefore, one does not question. If one questions, one may not find oneself able to agree with consenting to what is asked on one, if one does not agree, one may not do... just as living in the now is essential to freedom, being limited only to the now represents the flip side of imprisonment in the past or future patterns... its the shoe on the other foot, kicking the other leg... so all of these factors give insight into why the elite chooses people like Charles to enable their plans... and that tells us a lot about the elite themselves

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Having given some observations about Charles and about what his qualities tell us about the elite, I'd like to hone in a little on the depopulation agenda, Georgia guide-stones and so on

Charles tells us, and of course, its widely known, that this depopulation agenda has been on the cards for a long time. This is really very important to consider if we are to understand why it is taking place and what possibility there is for another outcome

At the least, we can be certain the depopulation agenda has been building since WWII... we can look back further and see the concern about population that was a foundation for the Eugenics movement, Galton, his work influenced by his cousin Darwin (who really didn't mind eugenics) and earlier, characters like Malthus. So we can be positive there has been a plan to depopulate for at least 60 years, with its origins stretching back 150 years and more

Now if we look at the desire amongst the elite to de-populate, we also must look at what has lead to the current population levels

Well there is a very simple one word answer for that: Oil

As any environmentalist should be able to tell us, its Oil that lead to a planet wide agricultural revolution across the 20th century: Oil became fertilizer, became pesticides, which lead to an explosion in world food supply. Like all mammals, human population growth is directly linked to available food supply: no food supply, no food, people die from starvation and related diseases: its brought the end to many an empire through history (though it took monsters like Lenin and Mao to turn food supply into tools of direct social change, another thanks to Darwin there): whereas abundant food supply leads to population boom and a world of "hamburgers on legs"

So there is no-way we could have got from 2 billion at the start of the 20th century to 6 billion today without the exploitation of Oil

But don't the elite control Oil supply? Don't the elite control the supply of the resource which has lead to today's population that is apparently such a problem for them that they tell people like Charles there is "no other way" but to depopulate?

I believe this is a vital question to ask, and I'll come back to it directly

Charles also talks about Genetic modification, and the companies involved in GM. He avoids naming companies directly as this would lead to "action"... I believe he means action regarding the video with Bill, rather than action in a larger sense, as any perusal of social networks will show there are millions on the case of GM across the web and I highly doubt there are resources to prosecute them all... but like many other arenas, what the MSM will say is highly limited to what the net community is able to expose

Industrialised food supply through the use of Oil has lead to many serious underlying problems that have only been adressed by attempts to do the same thing more and apply new "technical" fixes to "technical" problems

Big Agri methods destroy the natural abilities of soil to produce food. Vital nutrients are stripped from the soil and instead of natural husbandry to restore these, the deficiencies are made up for with yet more oil based fertalizer.. without which, the soil is essential dead, and it takes at least a decade to bring the earth back to a normal balance of about 10% organic material which is the foundation of sustainable organic agriculture. In addition, insect species develop immunity to pesticides, which require more powerful pesticides to be applied. All the chemical residue from this permeates the environment, seeps into the water table, pollutes the rivers and water courses, decimates wildlife, and overall weakens the matrix of life. If Charles is saying this situation is not sustainable, he is absolutely right... and in a closed system such as a planetary biosphere, anything that is not sustainable does not have a future. There can be no doubt that the way the world feeds itself today can do nothing else but come to an end... its just when, and how that manifests as consequences for the people

GM itself is supposed to be a response to this, in two key ways: by being more resistant to powerful pesticides so more can be used to control pests, and by increasing yields so more crop can be harvested for the same given amount of fertiliser... given the underlying nature of the unsustainable nature of big agri, we can see this for what it is... pushing back the time the system collapses

Now couple this with the positively malicious way GM has been introduced, the market manipulation, the criminalisation of farmers using and storing their own seed, prosecutions for patent violation when GM crop seeds itself in a next door organic or non GM farmers field, and the creation of vast dependency, and we can well see how GM can be a tool for depopulation

Charles also talks about how nuclear war is off the table... well I would not be too sure myself, as avoiding nuclear conflict depends on the maintenance of a semblance of rationality in the leaders of states who control nuclear weapons, and while a USA/Russia exchange is off the table, the idea of a state showing the psychological imbalance of somewhere like Israel having 600+ nuclear warheads is hardly re-assuring

But one key thing obviously must not happen if there is to be mass depopulation without triggering war leading to nuclear exchange: there must be no interruption of Oil supply, or obvious manipulation of water supply. If there was an Islamic revolution in the middle east, sweeping away the governments of Saudi Arabia and Iraq, and a subsequent refusal to supply the US with Oil, the low yeild tactical nukes would be coming out as a first response as long as the US has them

Therefore, Oil must continue to flow if GM is going to be used to bring about depopulation

Therefore, this plan involving GM is looking at economic collapse, probably hyperinflation leading to farmers inability to buy seed to plant from the GM companies, having none of their own, leading to empty fields, or some other failure of GM crops, such as the pigweed problem that has plagued the mid states of the US over the last 2 years (weeds resistant to pesticide)

So having considered how it might be done, it is time to ask why:

To return to the question I asked earlier:

Don't the elite control Oil supply? Don't the elite control the supply of the resource which has lead to today's population that is apparently such a problem for them that they tell people like Charles there is "no other way" but to depopulate?

And to expand that further, doesn't that also mean the elite have allowed the situation to develop where big agri has destroyed the ability of the soil to feed the people without unsustainable use of petro-chemicals?

Why, if the intention was to depopulate all along, allow the population to more than double since the time the problem was first identified?

I hope this may further illuminate my contention that the control of the elite is not control at all, but influence

Traditionally, War has been used as a primary method of resource management. Nation states and empires fought each other for land, access to water sources and ports and other valuable assets

The 20th century saw new innovations in the art of war... industrial war, the introduction of all manner of machines whose efficiency at destroying human beings reached previously inconceivable new heights... but it also saw, for the first time, the targeting of war not against opposing armies but against civilian populations. Ceaser and Napolean and similar characters had no interest in massacring civilians... who would create wealth in the conquered territory if they did? But the conflicts of the 20th century showed no such restraint... I would contend that driven by the ideology of eugenics and darwinism, industrial war had every intention of reducing populations. I believe industrial war, to the elite, represented a first stab at depopulation

Yet they abandoned that approach... there was 20 years between the first two world wars, but its now been 65 since there was a mass global conflict

Why?

Well an obvious answer is that human beings can only take so much death before the programming that keeps the elite "up there" breaks down. Only so much propaganda can be swallowed before the soul chokes on it... before the social structure that keeps an elite elite sickens people and they step away from it... too much war, too obviously, and the pyramid collapses

In the period after WWII the elite obviously entered a period of mass appeasement to prevent global revolutions... social rights and privileges that would have been impossible before the War were given out, and in quite a hurry... social security, old age pensions, working rights, access to material wealth...all under the mantra "a land fit for heros"

And to create that material wealth to appease the turbulent sickened masses, it is clear that the flow of oil had to be unrestricted... which led to an agricultural boom... which led to a food boom.... which led to a "baby boom"... the same "baby boom" generation which is now starting to draw pensions

So we can see that the elite had no choice but to allow mass population boom in order to hold onto their power... for the population control agenda the wars were massive "own goals"

As Charles himself said "the machine did what it was never meant to do"

Does that sound like people in control to you? It doesn't to me

So, back to the issue of GM: why is "GM" the only way to feed the planet?

An interesting example to consider here is the Island nation of Cuba

Im unsure of exact dates from memory, but basically from the WWII period Cuba followed the same petro chemical methodology as the rest of the planet. Cuba was highly dependant on Oil imports to feed its people, same as pretty much everywhere else

Sometime in the 80's the USA blocked Oil imports to Cuba. In response, the Castro government started a whole new agricultural revolution on Cuba. It mobalised its population so that almost everyone got involved in the growing of food, from window boxes to communal spaces to feilds. It applied permaculture methods to restore the soil and actually boosted food production... today it is largely self-sufficient in food without petro chemicals

So there is a model... it can be done... but it is a question of time to make transition and the social will to mobalise and get it done... especially the transformation of attitudes, social values and especially what the economy values

The Cuban message....

Diversification (of crops grown) Decentralisation (empowering everyone to be involved in food production and growing as much as possible of their own) and Resiliance (not being dependant on outside oil or seeds for the people to feed themselves)

Well....

This is a nightmare for any notion of a globalised controling Elite

THAT is why "GM" is the "only" way to feed the world...

We really need to understand that to put Charles's perspective into context... and understand the prioritisation of options by the elite...

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So I've talked about what insight can be gleaned from the nature of Charles himself, looked at some of the factors around the depopulation agenda, so I'd like to do another post considering what potential there might be to heal the rift between those who believe they are the rulers and those who believe they are the ruled

I've been on my path some time now... I'm coming up to 40 and have been looking behind the curtain since at least my early teens... been through a lot of changes and permutations, expansions, realisations... as have we all... and this question has always been there

I try to imagine, and have learned a few things, about what it is like to BE one of the elite... no offence to Charles, but he isn't one of them. He's an instrument, a go between, a representative of the kind of people they need to continue to be them. I'm sure he understands that, and I understand his pride in his accomplishments at being that person for them. We all make choices

Bill talks about the elite believing they are 1 million years into to 3 million year project... heaven knows how anyone could ever believe such a thing. Either it is an article of faith or they have access to, and believe, an information stream I don't have access too. Without that access how can I evaluate that claim as having any validity? I can only accept the possibility that others do believe it

I have a lot of sympathy for Kerry's point of view too... I find manipulation and lies spirituality offensive, for I know such things are self harm to the soul... but to see that is also my choice. In recognising that, I recognise the sovereignty of the beliefs of others, or there could be no sovereignty to my own.

Condemnation Anger and Judgement may be natural, but they will only re-enforce divides and exacerbate the situation, so I resist them as much as I am able. Being human, that means imperfectly, and as situations develop, maybe it will become impossible. I take the chance in the now for what it is, for I do recognise how moribund attitudes in the alternative community are... as moribund perhaps as the attitudes of the elite. If that cannot change we will all play out a script we didn't want to perform

In talking about money Charles talks about greed... but also, and more significantly, he talks about obtaining a sense of security. Just as wealth and power generate more security, so they must also generate a magnified potential for insecurity. As Charles says, if you have wealth, your going to hold onto it. Therefore losing their wealth, losing their power, losing the security of being able to shape their own destiny by being able to get others to do what they want, is the nightmare of the elite.

This is important... we have to understand the elites biggest fear is being who we are... becoming "one of us" instead of "one of them"

Really

I sympathise

It's a horrible position to be driven by what is outside of oneself what one has attracted to oneself. While there might be freedom to express ones whims and desires, there is little or no freedom to truly express the song of ones own soul. That would be weakness, and that weakness would be pounced upon by those around them. To be human, to the elite, is to be destroyed: to embrace a form of death

How would any of us like to born into a trap like that from the day we are born? It is just as insidious as the trap of being born as a slave into a human farm called a "nation" or a "society"

With the correct perspective, we might see that all of us struggle with different facets of the same problem... and we all might dream of a paradise where we are free of the trap

Well all very good I suppose, but what does this mean?

We are all creatures of habit first and foremost and do what we do because we do it, think what we think because we think it, feel what we feel because we feel it. It takes consciousness to change that.... a perspective outside of mind, outside of emotion, that can see both without reacting to them, that can evaluate the state of both and create a new way that neither mind or emotion could do alone

We look around our brothers and sisters going about their daily lives, jobs, shopping, homes, families... and lets be honest, I doubt there is anyone on this forum who does not struggle from time to time to believe that there can ever be real change in the people around us

I feel pretty sure it is just the same at the top in that respect... things have been done the way they are done because that is the way they are done, and if they don't do things the way they are done they risk losing their power, and that of course, ultimately terrifies them. Without spiritual support, I doubt it could be done. Again, another way in which we are all the same

I am reminded of the example of Manly P Hall. As many will be aware, he was an extremely prominent esoteric occultist in 20th century America. He spent much of his life reinforcing the attitudes of the elite, its fair to say. As tends to happen to those who associate with power, near the end of ones days it becomes far less important, and there is a tendancy to try to re-connect with ones essential humanity. Either that, or to face death being dragged kicking and screaming into the abyss of what one has ignored, when no amount of money or power will make a difference to the vehicle one relies upon to experience being here breaking down

Near the end of his life, in his 90's, Manly P Hall made a series of speeches. One thing about them has always stuck with me. He talks of the spiritual corruption of power... how power degrades essential decency until it is inevitably lost. He talks about the elite themselves being lost, of being trapped in the attitudes that made them what they are... he talks of them needing to be rescued from themselves. Most significantly he talks of the regular guy, who has not had his core spiritual integrity abused, as being the holder of the true soul quality that can free the elite from the prison they have made for themselves

In this, he is clearly very wise

If there is any hope to be found in the dialogue between Charles and Bill, and with those who may view it, and discussion here, it is the hope that on some level what Manly P Hall was talking about will be and has been recognised in those in applies to

Otherwise, the elite are going to keep doing what they have been doing, only more so, and sooner or later one of outcomes, be it depopulation through GM and other manipulations, or faking an alien invasion and turning the human race into a force of crusaders to conquer the stars, or some other scenario, is going to come about

But it isn't going to "work"... it isn't going to change the essential trap of their position. None of these schemes are going to set the elite free from themselves. They will not receive absolution. They will not receive forgiveness. And they most especially will not be able to be recognised and appreciated. Instead, they will continue to carry the burden of being themselves down through the Aeons, with no relief or release...

Now there is something that maybe they can relate too...

So, is there a momentum for change amongst the elite?

Well maybe. Maybe not. There is no credible way to know... only the guess that there might be... but assuming there is...

How could it be done? How could a change be made?

I believe an essential clue could be examining what hasn't been done, but before looking at that, some observations

As a basic picture of a group of genetic lines coming down through the years, we see a picture of a general imperative to centralise decision making, to limit perspectives outside of the centre, to keep the majority limited and small in their attitudes and outlook

We understand why.... without those things, control is far more difficult. And while those who ruled by the "divine right of kings" had to either be able to afford to pay a standing military to enforce their will or accept a certain level of quid-pro-quo in dealing with the turbulent bloody minded and down right awkward masses, in the last 100 years whole new levers have been pulled... leavers of subliminal drives, linking products and goods to subconscious desires, mass hypnotism through televison, experiments in group think and so on...

Lets hand it to them... they have pulled out all the stops

And yet, they still have no other choice but to want to wipe out a good 80% of us in order to continue to be them, presumably "steering and guiding" this great project that Charles describes as "their Religion"

Now psychology is an interesting thing... some have described Charles as sociopathic, and from my POV not unfairly... but seeing what something is doesn't explain why it is

I would contend that, excepting a very small minority who due to some genetic difference may have divergently wired brains, the vast majority of human beings, elite or not, cease to function and break if they cannot envision an essential rightness to their actions

A study of murderers shows that the vast majority justify their actions as necessary for some greater good, or to redress some wrong. Charles talked about "is it murder to kill 300 to save 10,000"? and I believe this is indicative of a way of rationalising inhumanity to ones own humanity

Of course, the answer is "YES"... firstly because by doing so the 10,000 never died, so how could you know they would? 300 murders are still 300 murders.... but also, more significantly, because the truly spiritually conscious human response is to save 10,300... and maybe that wont work, and maybe more than 300 might die, but none have been dehumanised and betrayed

Equally, I have the luxury of such judgement as I am not in the position to have to make such decisions... but that does not mean I am wrong... and I believe the humanity in everyone, no matter how suppressed, would recognise that

Another example might be submarine conflict. A torpedo breaches the engine room, water is gushing in, and the hatches must be sealed, killing the men in the engine room, in order to save the whole boat and not have everyone go to a watery grave. The elite might say to themselves "well we do a good thing, some have died, but we saved the boat (planet earth)

However there is an essential difference: the submarine has a captain. He has been appointed to that position by those chosen to make that decision: he has the responsibility to make the decision. But the men in the engine room have sworn oaths of service: they know the captain's role, and have consented to him having that authority. They know who he is and the burden he carries of having that choice to make

The Elite can make no such claim: they know that if the people ever worked out that things are running as they actually are, not as the have fooled them into thinking they do, there is no-where on the planet they could run to escape the anger and wrath that would come down on their heads

Again, I sympathise. I recognise the trap the elite find themselves in that compels them to carry on being them

So, to return again to the question: what hasn't been done? what might lead all of us out of this trap?

I've been struck, all through my life, by a great sense of waste as I look at society around me. The trouble with a tiny minority shaping the reality of the majority is its great impersonality. Keeping the masses in a manageable shape is to deny all the potential of what they could become. This becomes self-fulfilling: keep people sheep like and compliant and people are sheep like and compliant: they aren't brilliant and amazing and astounding unless they find their own way to freedom by following their hearts...

David Icke uses the analogy of a hand keeping a ball in a tank of water... as soon as the hand releases the ball, it rushes to the surface, so the hand must hold the ball down all the time

In itself, depopulation agenda represents the elite wanting to release their hand off the ball... only in such a way as not to lose their power... this shows the elite themselves are tired of the effort of maintaining the status quo... if it wasn't a burden to them they could certainly feed 6 billion and keep things rolling along

But what if the hand stopped gripping the ball, and slowly allowed the ball to come to the surface? If done cooly and calmly, the ball would reach the surface, the hand would have let go, and a whole new relationship could be begun

Fidel Castro inspired his people to take responsibility and work together to feed themselves... could the elite really not do the same? If they actually wanted to have another way?

Now I've used a lot of words here today, hopefully not too tiresomely

Let me finish with this proposal:

STOP

It's always a choice

STOP

For 10 years

STOP

Do nothing to advance any existing plans:

Put them on hold, on standby

Dont manipulate currencies

Dont wage new wars

Send in diplomats, engage in trade, give and take

And tell the truth in certain key ways

Disclose the crisis in agriculture

Facilitate and inspire transition

Inspire education, encourage a spiritual perspective and dimension

Invest in local communities

Let the ball rise, gently

See what it does

See what new possibilities emerge

Perhaps a change of pace, a change of attitudes, a bit of wonder, a bit less certainty in the analysis, creating the opportunity for people to be a bit more than what you believe them to be

May just save us all

Regards

John

[gladys]

Hi John,

an eloquent, insightful and great post. I totally 'get' what you are saying, the same way i 'get' what Bill is trying to do; extend the hand of friendship and negotiate.

Sadly, i have little faith in this, not least because we are obviously dealing with spiritually retarded psychopaths here. Yes, the elite are themselves also trapped (as i'm sure they are aware) and yes, they may be tired of this, but don't lose sight of the fact that their absolute nightmare is for us to wake up (which is why they have spent thousands of years enslaving/dumbing us down in every shape, way and form).

I just don't think they would negotiate with us, no matter how critical things are becoming (but i hope i'm wrong). Great idea, perfect solution, but we mustn't lose sight of actually who/what we are dealing with here. I disagree with your statement that the depopulation agenda represents the elite wanting to release their hand off the ball. I just think that a massive reduction in the population, plus the 'rooting out' of all suspected dissidents/terrorists (i.e. the awake), plus the re-population thereafter of all their hybrids, clones, mind-controlled puppets (and god knows what else) is what they've planned all along, and is quite possibly their 'great work of ages' anyway.

But who really knows........?

[john white]

Hey Gladys

I appreciate you for "getting" the gist of where my post was going. I feel its significant that you can... I feel there is a general shift in energies taking place, that the dualistic vision that has dominated even the alternative community in recent decades is opening up in to some thing far more.... something infinite

Hi John,

an eloquent, insightful and great post. I totally 'get' what you are saying, the same way i 'get' what Bill is trying to do; extend the hand of friendship and negotiate.

Actually, that's way ahead of where this is at. It could even be considered massively inappropriate. I'm even sure it would be. Imagining possibilities is neither contractually binding or an offer to negotiate. And you can't be friends with a kid you can't see, except in the imagination

From my POV, I'm seeing it like this:

(In response to a poster who felt that Charles was genuine, as in not simply a con man, but the purpose of his contacting Bill was to collect intelligence and weaken opposition)

I appreciate your passion! I'm a fan of passion. I also appreciate someone has to be "backstop" and say "this is where we started from, this place continues to be here". In it's own way, if this is an experiment, you have taken on the role of the "control" (I don't mean in any way deliberately)

I also think its bang on that there is someone to say "Hey! not a game! this could be dangerous!"

Yep. Sure thing

I'm one of life's "balls out" kind of guys with regard to these concerns in that I see them and do it anyway. That's my choice. Always has been. I've been out on the web, as myself, for years now, well known on the Icke forum, central figure in UK 9/11 truth (though I've scaled my involvement there down to focus elsewhere), I take on the EU, the UK gov yadda yadda yadda the whole nine yards. If I'm not all over MI5, MI6, Pentagon etc etc then those boys have become seriously incompetent. And yet I am just a simple guy, who lives a no fuss no frills life, who has made the choice to express my truth with no fear or prejudice... of anyone or anything at all. I don't change myself for fear of what other people think

So from my POV the "illuminati" can stare at me as much as they like. They will find infinite consciousness, staring through me, right at them. Let them handle that! Isn't the point that... they can't?

Isn't that the point of the path you advocate?

And yet... isn't that also saying that infinite consciousness, on account of being infinate... can handle THEM?

So that's my position... here I am chilling out, what will be will be, when I don't feel like being here: I won't be

And like this:

I am totally open to all the possibilities with regards to the "Charles" material: there are many ideas flowing around, I am enjoying observing them, sharing some perceptions of my own

Im not in a state of fear. Neither am I in a state of hope

I simply am

Alien Invasion. Sounds quite like a do-able plan. As I allow my mind to percieve it I see it in many ways. Plausable. Do-able. Possibly one of the most bloody stupid ideas in History. Ultimately, even if we assume we are brought into world government and forced out into the stars to conquer, its a heck of a risk to assume the human race isn't going to find out. As plans go its a bit like an ultimate hustle

I don't mean any disrespect. I just don't see any real value in it

It's a pretty boring thing to do

But then that's maybe been the nature of the last century

Stakes getting higher. Hustle getting bigger. Odds getting longer...

And a planet earth primed like a fuse ready to blow

In contrast

I see many things

Truly amazing wonderful things

I see

A planet full of caretakers

Whose first lesson on the new path was a global movement to learn to care for themselves, and then for everyone and everything else

Easy plan

Pretty cheap cost really, just get the talking heads jawing, rallies, local groups off we go

Just needs taking seriously

Oh look, all world problems just got solved

It's all about letting go and allowing it to be

It happens as soon as "the now" catches up with it being reality

So in response to what may happen with regard to any controllers, exists the question:

"Are they going to be in harmony with changing energies or seek to resist them dis-harmoniously?"

But "they" are the ones with their backs to the wall with rapidly diminishing options of rapidly diminishing certainty

Whatever path they choose isn't going to matter in the long run.... they may see themselves in all sorts of ways in the "casino of life", as players, movers n shakers... but consciousness owns the house

House always wins :)

If they do choose to come into harmony, it isn't going to be me or Bill Ryan or anyone else helping them do it

It's going to be consciousness itself

Even if we did imagine ahead to some sort of possibility of "negotiation", perhaps some kind of "truth commission"... that would be events in the physical world playing out what has already happened in consciousness... it happens there first

Everything does

[gladys]

Hi John,

Thank you for your reply. I understand what you are saying. I don't question that consciousness 'owns the house' (and everything happens there first). What i do question is whether, as you say, 'they' will ever allow themselves to be in harmony with the changing energies (even though their backs are to the wall now). It seems to me they are already resisting them, preferring instead to remain in dis-harmony. You only have to look at how much 'they' have stepped up their game to see proof of that. And its getting worse by the day.

It seems to me, through their sheer arrogance and refusal to connect to these changing energies that they are prepared to completely dessimate this planet, and all life on it, in the process. In other words, if they can't 'win', they're gonna make sure they take us down anyway.

Don't get me wrong, i would like nothing more than to see these elite evolve spiritually (for they must completely be in hell).

You say there is a general shift in energies opening up into something far more......something infinite. Please can you expand on this?

[john white]

Hi John,

Thank you for your reply. I understand what you are saying. I don't question that consciousness 'owns the house' (and everything happens there first). What i do question is whether, as you say, 'they' will ever allow themselves to be in harmony with the changing energies (even though their backs are to the wall now). It seems to me they are already resisting them, preferring instead to remain in dis-harmony. You only have to look at how much 'they' have stepped up their game to see proof of that. And its getting worse by the day.

Indeed

I in no way know that "they" will. That is their call and I am mindful not to let myself starting "hoping" that they do in terms of leading myself to believe that they will. Nevertheless, it is possible: there are valid reasons for them to do so... namely that the risks of all their options keep growing just as their control of consensus trance keeps slipping. The "illuminati" has been called many things, but rarely stupid. I am sure they are thinking about it!

It seems to me, through their sheer arrogance and refusal to connect to these changing energies that they are prepared to completely dessimate this planet, and all life on it, in the process. In other words, if they can't 'win', they're gonna make sure they take us down anyway.

Don't get me wrong, i would like nothing more than to see these elite evolve spiritually (for they must completely be in hell).

Well if bloody minded stubbornness is the way it ultimately goes, then yes it will end up like that. But fearing it does little for us. I believe there is an object lesson here in the deeper ramifications of "be the change you wish to see in others"... if we demonstrate enough reason for them to question their analysis, then they will also experience an ever greater motivation to change

You say there is a general shift in energies opening up into something far more......something infinite. Please can you expand on this?

Tricky to express something that I know... as in heart and soul know... but I do see a natural process occurring as dualistic consciousness increasingly hits the limits of a closed system... the planetary biosphere. If dualism does not transform, we are going to get the decimation option you highlight above, because it is the ultimate expression of it... the last action the old consciousness can take

And yet the new consciousness is emerging, exists, is a viable and sustainable world view and is increasingly obviously manifesting every day

It does not derive itself from identifying with polarities... to either be one or be the other

But to see both as movements from a centre

At the greatest movement from the centre the consciousness is extreme, the most imbalanced

At the centre of all the consciousness is still: clarity, calmness, harmony: leading to freedom

I suppose the truth or otherwise of that is something for each of us to challenge ourselves to explore...

I can only tell you it is both my experience and the perspective I am living from

[christopher_everard_enigmatv]

The New World Order is controlled by virtually one inbred interconnected family who use the images of DEMONS on their shields, flags and ensigns - The shields often portray demons from the GOETIA BOOK OF SHADOWS.

Buying GOLD is putting money directly in their pockets.

Think about it.

[john white]

Hi Chris. Nice work on the Vids :)

So do you have a take on the actual interview Vid?

[cupio_minimus]

Bill has been played; in all the right ways.

Exemplary work by 'Charles'.
I can't remember seeing someone respond that well before, though I'd imagine the camera was a real boon.

Bill doesn't consider this scenario a possibility anymore, and his views on the matter have lost all objectivity.

[cosmicstardust]

Has anyone been to the Avalon forum recently? It has gone haywire with all the threads on the Charles material. It has taken on cult like status and I am wondering if any of you are following it and your thoughts on the Charles phenomenon?

[freemefast]

Has anyone been to the Avalon forum recently? It has gone haywire with all the threads on the Charles material. It has taken on cult like status and I am wondering if any of you are following it and your thoughts on the Charles phenomenon?

It's interesting. As for the implications - Too early to tell.
Definately the most interesting thing that needed to happen to the alternative / conspiracy community. It's been going round in circles for a long time with no progression (IMO).

It's like a lot of CT'ers have settled on their version of what the ultimate truth is and the Charles material shakes things up a bit.

What do you think of it?

[cosmicstardust]

Well I can't speak with any real knowledge of recent activity because I have stayed away from it for a week or so....I got a bit 'reactive' about all the responses. Just checked back this morning and saw it had all just escalated. Intend to spend some more time later checking through the threads and finding out more. Will write more after that. Also maybe I should listen to the original video again but not sure I can bear to do that! I am obviously showing some serious resistance which probably says more about me than anything contained in it and the discussions!!!

[freemefast]

Well I can't speak with any real knowledge of recent activity because I have stayed away from it for a week or so....I got a bit 'reactive' about all the responses. Just checked back this morning and saw it had all just escalated. Intend to spend some more time later checking through the threads and finding out more. Will write more after that. Also maybe I should listen to the original video again but not sure I can bear to do that! I am obviously showing some serious resistance which probably says more about me than anything contained in it and the discussions!!!

Aye it has ruffled a few feathers :D

I keep getting different information when i re watch the video so maybe it might give you a different perspective. The first time i watched I was dissapointed but now, after following the q & a's by charles (he posts as Atticus BTW) it has made more sense.

If you have missed the last week then I reccommend reading his posts and Bill's because a lot more has come out. (only if you feel comfortable with it tho).

[cosmicstardust]

If you have missed the last week then I reccommend reading his posts and Bill's because a lot more has come out. (only if you feel comfortable with it tho).


Well I spent a while reading Charles' answers to questions and found it all quite absorbing. Really interested in the attitude of the questioners. There is everything from intelligent questions to, frankly, extreme sycophancy! Still totally undecided what to make of it all. My own 'anti' initial reaction has subsided somewhat. Still, I don't believe elevating someone to 'guru' status is healthy and there is an element of this over at Avalon. And I can't see that Charles puts forward any wisdom that warrants that. Maybe it's the use of the term 'master'? I don't know. I did find a thread that echoed some of my own misgivings so there is something of a balanced debate going on. It's just the level of interest shown that is staggering. I guess everyone is gearing up for the changes ahead.
Didn't find the bit about eye colour....anyone know what that's all about?
I'd be interested to hear anyone elses views now we're a couple of weeks on.

[freemefast]

).


Well I spent a while reading Charles' answers to questions and found it all quite absorbing. Really interested in the attitude of the questioners. There is everything from intelligent questions to, frankly, extreme sycophancy! Still totally undecided what to make of it all. My own 'anti' initial reaction has subsided somewhat. Still, I don't believe elevating someone to 'guru' status is healthy and there is an element of this over at Avalon. And I can't see that Charles puts forward any wisdom that warrants that. Maybe it's the use of the term 'master'? I don't know. I did find a thread that echoed some of my own misgivings so there is something of a balanced debate going on. It's just the level of interest shown that is staggering. I guess everyone is gearing up for the changes ahead.
Didn't find the bit about eye colour....anyone know what that's all about?
I'd be interested to hear anyone elses views now we're a couple of weeks on.

Fraid not about the eye colour, tho i did read it was going to be expanded upon in the upcoming audio Q&A.

I agree with your observation of the comments they are a mixed bag but i guess all forums are like that. Avalon has had a ton of new members in and things seem to be moving pretty fast. Exciting times:)

[merchiron]

He is waiting for somebody to ask the right question - to which his reply will be 'yes'.

The only thing that will bring about that question is discussion and thought. And from what I can see The Avalon forum is doing that with gusto! The question and answer once understood will reveal a hell of a lot about our world and the situation we find ourselves in.

Also, I agree with a previous poster that it is too early to tell. Another interview has been promised, so lets hope its soon.

[diky]

Has anyone been to the Avalon forum recently? It has gone haywire with all the threads on the Charles material. It has taken on cult like status and I am wondering if any of you are following it and your thoughts on the Charles phenomenon?

whatever you think of the situation it has to be said it is all quite interesting

I've always found the project camelot interviews interesting but full of highly dubious content which tends to be presented in a sycophantic manner rather than an objective one

credibility levels start to wane after watching Henry Deacon, Dan Burisch, Aaron McCollum, Bob Dean......

I think it would make for interesting viewing to see these people put under some scrutiny rather than being treated like heros whilst spewing all sorts of unbelievable bullshit, but then if pushed presumably they wouldn't participate

Over at the Avalon forum there is apparently some highly intelligent stuff going on, which seems to consist of 'Charles' doing very little and answering nothing but being treated like royalty, sending people off in circles answering their own bizarre questions, praising him for being so brave and chastising anyone who isn't sufficiently kissing his arse, and trying to crack the code contained in the YouTube 500 internal server error(?!)

How believeable is it that this guy is the right-hand man to a 5000 year old member of the elite 33 that rule the world and was sent to kill Bill because he is a problem to them, really??!

I'm waiting for the sting

[cosmicstardust]

Over at the Avalon forum there is apparently some highly intelligent stuff going on, which seems to consist of 'Charles' doing very little and answering nothing but being treated like royalty, sending people off in circles answering their own bizarre questions, praising him for being so brave and chastising anyone who isn't sufficiently kissing his arse, and trying to crack the code contained in the YouTube 500 internal server error(?!)

Lol, I know what you mean. It was quite funny when Charles went AWOL for a week and people on there were starting to get quite twitchy. One poster (and I won't mention names) did an absolute about turn on her earlier views. But is now happy I guess because Charles has posted again and she is back to posting her random love and light drivel. Not that there is anything wrong with love and light. It's just a bit wearing over at Avalon at the moment for me! I trawled through aout 60pages last night (obviously I need to get out more) and I keep thinking I must have missed something really important from earlier as I just do not get it. I am obviously destined not to be on Planet Avalon when we all ascend (phew).
I also wonder what the communication is like between Kerry and Bill at the moment as she has been very outspoken about her feelings.

[realview]

My view is that Ryan was either given an offer he couldn't refuse or he's always been managed and now triggered or he's just a turn coat. Ryan seems to want to social engineer his Avalon site to the exclusion of free thinking. This guy in the video says nothing new and it's hard to believe the pimp of the rich is desperately needed by them and an insider.

[diky]

After ploughing through the endless pages of drivel on what is being claimed "one of the most significant threads in the history of forums on the internet" (at the Avalon forum anyway) I notice it transpires that "Charles/Atticus" underhandedly asked for the Avalon forum members to donate $5 into a pot so he can dish it out to one lucky member

hardly suprising

when rumbled it rang few alarm bells, in fact they are still queueing up to hand over their money and ask questions to "The Machine"

there is no helping some people

[cosmicstardust]

Hi, can you give me a hint which thread this is from? I have trawled through as well and come to the same conclusion as yourself. Recently he definitely seemed like he had been drinking with some of his answers and one little bit more aware poster actually questioned this. It really is remarkable how little he has to say, isn't it?

[cosmicstardust]

And I particularly love the frequent posts of 'Oh Charles, I have a tingling in my head! Is that you sending me vibes?' There are certainly alot of people who need their bumps felt, IMO.

[diky]

Hi, can you give me a hint which thread this is from? I have trawled through as well and come to the same conclusion as yourself. Recently he definitely seemed like he had been drinking with some of his answers and one little bit more aware poster actually questioned this. It really is remarkable how little he has to say, isn't it?

Hi

it's in the thread:

RULERS OF THE WORLD > The CHARLES material > Questions and Answers from Bill about the Charles material.

its been closed now as it was in danger of filling up the whole internet and melting bills servers

here's a post that gives the gist of it:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?12987-Questions-and-Answers-from-Bill-about-the-Charles-material&p=126853&viewfull=1#post126853

at the bottom of bills quoted post there's an interesting chat log between him and dale, and there's a couple of quotes from 'atticus' there

of course it is all explained away by them

And I particularly love the frequent posts of 'Oh Charles, I have a tingling in my head! Is that you sending me vibes?' There are certainly alot of people who need their bumps felt, IMO.

Bill seems to have put a lot of faith in the idea that something is watching over him and that he has a telepathic link with 'Charles/Atticus/con man/piss head'

I hadn't been to the Avalon forums before, it looks like some sort of weird cult over there.

[cosmicstardust]

Yes, isn't it? I was a member of PA1 but never bothered to join the new forum so until recently I've only popped in to browse every now and then. And until recently they were just the usual bunch of people like any CT forum...but it's all pretty sinister now. People over at Project Camelot seem a bit more questioning and Kerry is quite clear in her expression of what she thinks is going on.

Thanks for the thread links. I'll go and have a looksee.

[freemefast]

I've been following the Charles stuff from day one. Bit of a mind warp to say the least. Someone else has come forward saying the (our) future is in their hands and we must listen to them. The username is called 'enlightened' if you want to check it out.

I dunno what to make of it all now. Still too early to tell lol

[diky]

Yes, isn't it? I was a member of PA1 but never bothered to join the new forum so until recently I've only popped in to browse every now and then. And until recently they were just the usual bunch of people like any CT forum...but it's all pretty sinister now. People over at Project Camelot seem a bit more questioning and Kerry is quite clear in her expression of what she thinks is going on.

Thanks for the thread links. I'll go and have a looksee.

Let me know what you think

I'm interested in different perspectives

[cosmicstardust]

Yes,interesting dialogue between Dale and Bill and didn't Atticus get a bit pissed off with them?
Enlightened....I think that was the poster who has pm'd Bill and is setting himself up as an insider.
Really this is more farout than some of the soap storylines. Not that I think its all impossible, I don't. I believe anything is possible. I just don't get the feeling that Charles is who he says he is. And I definitely think Bill has lost the plot somewhat.
But should worry more about my own compulsion to keep checking over at Avalon. When I absolutely refuse to get drawn into any tv drama!!!

[freemefast]

But should worry more about my own compulsion to keep checking over at Avalon. When I absolutely refuse to get drawn into any tv drama!!!

Resistance is futile:D

[cosmicstardust]

Resistance is futile:D




They have me either way:eek:

[91181]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

hagbard_celine, = legend

"Charles" - YouTube

[91181]

Bill Ryan is a fraud and a conman, why does icke associate with this wanker...

[girlgye]

Do you know what?
Thank you for your reviews. I'm tired of stupidtube rabbit holes. If we could keep a system of reviewing going. We are gonna get through this alot quicker, together.

Thank you pirate cooper for your prose. As soon as I saw the word this is..
He is an elite insider who has information from the elite. I switched off.
More disinfo...



Keep it up guys. Happy New Years I love you all on this board. :D

Well I checked this and looks like ol Bill's a shill afterall. Told ya. :p

[girlgye]

I've engaged with this on the Avalon forum. I'll present my opening post from on there for consideration. From the outset, understand that even if this is total baloney, I'm gaining from the opportunity to test out and expand my perceptions.

The interview with Charles, IMO, has a multdimensional aspect to it: the speech is almost irrelevant (remember Icke says the same about what he says in his talks: that the words are an excuse for the brain to chillax and the energy to come through: true) there are a lot of subtle things that catch my attention.
See what it does

See what new possibilities emerge


Regards

John

Doh. You managed to be able to recently join. :eek: Not even the best brains in the Universe has been able to sign up.
You must be quite a man. :D

[91181]

Bill's Forum is nutier than a king size snicker bar, all the charles threads go on for 30+pages but only two pages are assesable, the other 20 + threads on Charles have been closed, lmao... i smell a chili CON carni..

[diky]

at last the penny's dropped!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22102-AN-IMPORTANT-ANNOUNCEMENT-ABOUT-ATTICUS-and-THE-GROUP-OF-18

I wonder if lessons will be learnt....

[cosmicstardust]

Yes, so do I. Same thing posted on Camelot. It was hardly difficult to see when viewed objectively was it?

[ftil]

I didn’t know about Charles/Atticus and the group of 18. I have enjoyed reading many posts on nexus 2012 forum but a few posts hit the nail on the head. Post # 79, 98. :)
http://nexus.2012info.ca/forum/showthread.php?3256-Important-Announcement-re-Atticus-Charles-and-18/page4

I felt a chill in my spine when I read a post of a former member of Atticus (post # 78). But I also felt uplifted reading post # 79. I think that it is a biggest problem with love and lighters and I see it as the evidence of total mind control. The scary part is the fact that they are detached from their core of who they are and their inner values and ethics. I would say that it reflects the fragmentation of the self. I am afraid that it is damage beyond the repair. It also reflects a total absence of feelings and emotions. How convenient for ptb to rule and to enslave, knowing that they become like the elite if given some power. I feel the same…yikes.

Another post of a former member brought the same disturbing feelings. Well, she called herself a spiritual teacher. It is a problem with all so called ‘spiritual teachers” as they build their weak ego around being a teacher. As Tao Te Ching said, “Those who know are still”…….those who don’t know can’t stop talking. :D I agree that it is a spiritual error and a good excuse to act without integrity, hiding behind false teachings. :eek: