PLEASE READ THIS all members !!!!!

[blah]

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. Please let me know what you think of this. As it would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.
The group would be called " Anti-Illuminati Anarchist's". Or AIA.

I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

Thankyou!!
Kay

[adimon]

Anarchists?

[lifeofbrian]

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. Please let me know what you think of this. As it would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.
The group would be called " Anti-Illuminati Anarchist's". Or AIA.

I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

Thankyou!!
Kay

Activism how?

Saving whales? Saving stupid MPs from themselves? Saving soldiers from themselves? Saving dumb bimbos from becoming single mothers?

What is your manifesto?

[blah]

I cannot say much about this. Just say if you would be willing to join all, please. Its important that you do. This is not a discussion this is an appeal to all those who would like to become involved. So please say if you would be serious in wanting to join.

Yes Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

[lifeofbrian]

I cannot say much about this. Just say if you would be willing to join all, please. Its important that you do. This is not a discussion this is an appeal to all those who would like to become involved. So please say if you would be serious in wanting to join.

Yes Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

You'll have a problem trying to organise something including people who can't be organised then...

Sorry, no longer in England.

Good luck and please stay out of serious trouble.

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I cannot say much about this. Just say if you would be willing to join all, please. Its important that you do. This is not a discussion this is an appeal to all those who would like to become involved. So please say if you would be serious in wanting to join.

Yes Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

As much as I believe that the ideology of true anarchism makes a lot of sense, I think it would be foolish to have the word 'Anarchists' in your name. That would just be asking for misrepresentation in the media, should the situation ever arise where you gained enough prominence to be noticed by them...

Also, due to the war of disinformation and propaganda that has dominated the last hundred years or more, the mere mention of the words 'anarchy' or 'anarchism' would bring up all kinds of negative connotations to the ordinary people that would be potentially be interested in joining...

In other words, it really wouldn't be helping your cause, in my opinion...

[lennart]

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. As it would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.
The group would be called " Anti-Illuminati Anarchist's". Or AIA.

I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

Thankyou!!
Kay

Anti-Illuminati Anarchist's ? This name is way to negative. You don,t want people to think your an anarchist.

[adimon]

Activism how?

Saving whales? Saving stupid MPs from themselves? Saving soldiers from themselves? Saving dumb bimbos from becoming single mothers?

What is your manifesto?

Yes it would be useful to have at least some consensus before committing one's time to something.

I cannot say much about this. Just say if you would be willing to join all, please. Its important that you do. This is not a discussion this is an appeal to all those who would like to become involved. So please say if you would be serious in wanting to join.

Without some sort of idea of what your aims are, on what basis are people going to be responding?

Yes Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

That's an interesting definition. But as LOB said, it actually means absence of a power hierarchy.

If you don't want to tell us any more, then good luck to you. :)

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

Strictly speaking, an anarchist is somebody who associates themselves with the ideas of anarchist political philosophers, such as Bakunin, Kropotkin and Proudhon...

[seer74]

I'm not in the U.K. so I'm excluded. But I'd like to say, anyone anywhere that wants to get active, by all means go for it. I would advise against useing the word anarchist in your name though, although I would certainly consider myself one; BUT, as has been mentioned, the word has way too many negative connotations to it in the public mind and would do your cause more harm than good. Just a little friendly advice.

[blah]

The name can be changed depending on the consensus of the group and thankyou. I would ask that you ignore the group name and concerntrate on the purpose of the group instead then.
Thankyou

Thankyou!!
Kay

[de_shit]

Don't trust this guy. Just don't trust him. Love him, but don't trust him. He has other plans for you guys. Hes a shady person. Look at his posts as well, he repeats the same shit over and over again. Hes a repeater.

[blah]

Firstly I am not a guy. And secondly, this is a genuine appeal.

Thankyou
Kay

[adimon]

Are you trying to set a record for how many times you want to post the same information?

Or are you posting each time you're asked a question or hear a point of view you don't like?

You do realise this is an open forum, right?

Still wishing you the best of luck :)

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

The name can be changed depending on the consensus of the group and thankyou. I would ask that you ignore the group name and concerntrate on the purpose of the group instead then.
Thankyou

Please read below :

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. It would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.


I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

At first it would be an informal meeting of like minded people. You do not have to commit your time immediately. But I would prefer serious minded individuals to consider joining. The idea behind it is just as I said firstly to educate and then to become an activist. The group would decide what to do depending on what we agree on.

Thankyou!!
Kay

I'm interested in going along to an informal meeting of informed, open-minded and like-minded people... Where would the meetings be held?

[blah]

Firstly, we need to get enough people interested and then we can decide, it wouldnt be that hard to find a location in which we can meet. Anyone who wishes to spread negativity I would suggest not replying to my appeal. Whats most important that is that we have enough people! I think you get the idea. This is the very beggining.

Thankyou
Kay

[adimon]

No-one's spreading negativity. We want to know your aims, beliefs etc..

You won't even talk about locations.

It's not the best way to stir interest, blah :)

[de_shit]

Who the hell are you? If you had 100 or more posts, that WERE NOT OF THE SAME THING, maybe Id change my opinion of you. I don't know who the hell you are, or what your views are. That is why if you wanted to get more people to join your self sponsored group, you would post around the forum, in every topic if you wanted, and let people know how much YOU, the LEADER of the group knows about the Truth movement of Infinite Love.

It seems like you're just joining a forum, saying:
"Hello, I'm Joe. Join my group thats name comprises of a word that means we will kill. Please join. Its located in Joes City, in Joes Country. Anyone interested in a group thats made by someone who has 22 posts that mostly comprise of 3 paragraphs of the same things, please join my group. What better leader than one who's views and knowledge you know nothing about?"

That is what you are saying.

[blah]

"Don't trust this guy. Just don't trust him. Love him, but don't trust him. He has other plans for you guys. Hes a shady person. Look at his posts as well, he repeats the same shit over and over again. Hes a repeater."

I meant the above. Location wouldnt be hard to arrange in the least.

[lifeofbrian]

LOL :D

This place is too funny at times, especially Friday nights :D

[de_shit]

I have my reasons for not trusting you. I can say whatever I want, as long as I don't destroy your character in a racist manner. I have refrained from the usage of racial slurs, just for you pal. :) Nah just kidding, but still, I don't get positive vibes from you at all man. Its from what you say that I get my intuitive feelings from. Read a white power site and see what vibes you get from reading that shit. You'll see that you feel a lack of substance in heart/soul. That is what I get from your posts. A lot of the "disinfoers/jokesters" and people that post stupid shit like "I found this pyramid object that does weird things" and then says they gave it away, is the kind of people that play jokes on this forum. I am telling people to be careful of you because I am not able to get even a semi-positive image of you yet.

[lifeofbrian]

"Don't trust this guy. Just don't trust him. Love him, but don't trust him. He has other plans for you guys. Hes a shady person. Look at his posts as well, he repeats the same shit over and over again. Hes a repeater."

I meant the above. Location wouldnt be hard to arrange in the least.

OK. I'll meet you at Heathrow, early Feb, dressed all in black, I'm 6'5'', athletic, I like to laugh and joke with people I meet so you'll see a lot of white teeth.

You can't control me but if I like your ideas I might back you up.

PM for flight details.

[de_shit]

Its Friday? Holy shit. I thought it was Wednesday. Ive done well of ridding myself of a sense of time. My body will not age as fast by doing so. It was a fact in Ickes newest book about some government mind control people who were kept away from clocks and watches. They didn't age as fast as everyone else.

[blah]

Great so you do not wish to join because there is not enough information. Thats fine. So you do not need to reply to this thread. This is only for those who are interested in joining.

Thanks Kay

[lifeofbrian]

Great so you do not wish to join because there is not enough information. Thats fine. So you do not need to reply to this thread. This is only for those who are interested in joining.

Thanks Kay

Like I said:

OK. I'll meet you at Heathrow, early Feb, dressed all in black, I'm 6'5'', athletic, I like to laugh and joke with people I meet so you'll see a lot of white teeth.

You can't control me but if I like your ideas I might back you up.

PM for flight details.

[de_shit]

This thread is for repeaters. Let me repeat what I said before. (Im laughing my ass off now for some reason):

I have my reasons for not trusting you. I can say whatever I want, as long as I don't destroy your character in a racist manner. I have refrained from the usage of racial slurs, just for you pal. :) Nah just kidding, but still, I don't get positive vibes from you at all man. Its from what you say that I get my intuitive feelings from. Read a white power site and see what vibes you get from reading that shit. You'll see that you feel a lack of substance in heart/soul. That is what I get from your posts. A lot of the "disinfoers/jokesters" and people that post stupid shit like "I found this pyramid object that does weird things" and then says they gave it away, is the kind of people that play jokes on this forum. I am telling people to be careful of you because I am not able to get even a semi-positive image of you yet.

[de_shit]

What part of your first post, the one that tells everyone about what this topics "rules of engagement" are, said that I cant post because I have a different view then you?

[adimon]

LOL :D

This place is too funny at times, especially Friday nights :D

Don't remind me it's Friday. Now I DO feel depressed! :D

OK. I'll meet you at Heathrow, early Feb, dressed all in black, I'm 6'5'', athletic, I like to laugh and joke with people I meet so you'll see a lot of white teeth.


You sound like a Cheshire Ninja. :D

Great so you do not wish to join because there is not enough information. Thats fine. So you do not need to reply to this thread. This is only for those who are interested in joining.

Thanks Kay

Why not tell us a little about yourself first?

I'm Chris btw, pleased to meet you. I used to run a group like the one you're (not) describing. It wasn't very succesful. I'm genuinely interested to hear what you have in mind, but since you won't share with us, I'm not gonna travel all the way from Wales without good reason. People the opposite side of London will probably still all say the same thing.

Have some trust. :)

[de_shit]

YOU POSTED THE SAME THING AGAIN! I'm about to laugh uncontrollably in a second. You've posted the same 3 paragraphs four times already. I think that is considered spam. Keep up the good work, Phil.

[blah]

I have trust and would like to say that its not a thing that will happen straight away. Not everything works . David Ickes books are there to empower people and say yes you can do something about it, quit the negativity and make changes but the purpose of this thread is just to find out how many people would wish to be active rather than just talk...

So, things will happen stage by stage. This is the first stage. There are many more to come.

Thankyou
Kay

[de_shit]

" Like the coldest winter chill
Heaven Beside you...Hell within
Like the coldest winter chill
Heaven beside you...Hell within
Like the coldest winter chill
Put Heaven beside you
Hell within
And you think you have it still, Heaven inside you."
-Alice In Chains

Now you still haven't answered my requests, which were mostly meant to help YOU out in creating a great group of anarchists. Nor have you answered admions requests which were like mine in a sense.

[lifeofbrian]

You sound like a Cheshire Ninja. :D

It's all true, you know. And nah, I'm no ninja, I'm just a Scotsman. We like to laugh more than fight. Oops. National secret revealed.

Have a great weekend Chris, and see you soon again on the boards.

[adimon]

It's all true, you know. And nah, I'm no ninja, I'm just a Scotsman. We like to laugh more than fight. Oops. National secret revealed.

Have a great weekend Chris, and see you soon on the boards.

You too. :) As a partial Scot myself, I may indulge in the national pastime in a minute :D

[blah]

Hi De-shit if you would like to talk further please pm me. Thanks.


Thankyou!!
Kay

[woghd]

Spammy.

[woghd]

Great so you do not wish to join because there is not enough information. Thats fine. So you do not need to reply to this thread. This is only for those who are interested in joining.

Thanks Kay

Which Thread? There's like...one...in every forum, lol.

Spam-a-roni !

Archangel

[adimon]

Which Thread? There's like...one...in every forum, lol.

Spam-a-roni !

Archangel

Ah, you're just jealous cuz Kay has more threads on this than you do on Reptiles ! :p;):):rolleyes::cool::eek::)

[blah]

Not anymore. However, I wish to reach out to as many people as possible. I believe some would understand this if only a small percentage.

Thanks

[woghd]

Ah, you're just jealous cuz Kay has more threads on this than you do on Reptiles ! :p;):):rolleyes::cool::eek::)

It's a matter of pride.
:D


Archangel

[lizzy]

Which Thread? There's like...one...in every forum, lol.

Spam-a-roni !

Archangel

I think that any idea that brings people together to fight the NWO is great.
Even if nothing happens you have all an opportunity to get to meet others who hate the NWO.
Some here actually like the idea of censorship , so don't let them get to you.
Just a thought but if some don't like the word anachist you could use activist.
Good Luck, wish I still lived in the UK. If I did I would be there.
love,lizzy

[blah]

Thanks tons, I have found some negativity. But to me David Icke encourages and empowers people through his books. So I am in agreement with him. Just keep loving and wanting peace. Its as powerful tool as negativity!
Exactly I would love to meet like minded people. Thats what its all about!! Joining togeather and saying " Hey were here too, we are not going to just complain and moan, were willing to do something about it! i think David Icke really stood apart and had to deal with people saying hes crazy. The least we can do is pay him a tribute by actually dealing with the issues he discussing and saying " Hold on we can do something productive as he did!"

Thankyou Liz, for your support!
Wish you lived here too! :)

[ak87]

I would love to join, but i do disagree with the anarchist part of the title because as others hav sed the media will prey on that and also i might sound extremist to the layperson who may not lnow the meaning, but i think its a great idea!

the only way the movement can progress is if we work together!

[blah]

Its ok the group name can be decided as a whole! Awesome!!! ;)Thanks...
Yes we should come togeather!
We are not powerless and unable to make a difference. I dont think only thoughts can get things done, there has to be some action there too!

[lemonique]

Hi Blah, what sort of action is that then???

Lem.

[blah]

Well theres many things that can be done. But first we need to concerntrate on change. I would suggest it start off with a group of people who just want to show their support for David Icke and his work. And then discuss ways in which we can educate people and when needs be protest or take action against NWO movements.

[adimon]

Well theres many things that can be done. But first we need to concerntrate on change. I would suggest it start off with a group of people who just want to show their support for David Icke and his work. And then discuss ways in which we can educate people and when needs be protest or take action against NWO movements.

Why does the group have to have anything to do with David Icke. I mean, if you came to this forum through him and are inspired by him that's fine, but why is the group not being formed as an activist group rather than a fan-club?

Might sound harsh but protest will not get you very far. If you want activism you need to spread a message amongst the people head-on, IMO. Best of luck. :)

[blah]

lol forgive me for laughing. Its an idea! A new one! Hasnt been done before! The purpose of it is for like minded individuals against the NWO/Illuminati.
It is formed depending on the consensus. David Icke is the inspiration. It doesnt need to be a group of people watching is every move. But hes definately a big source when it comes to giving information out on this subject!
Yes, many would say this or that wont work.
You dont know until you try!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[woghd]

Kay, ignore woghd ( woggy) He is just very black energy.Nothing nice EVER comes from his posts, unless in agreement with someone else being negative.
I think that any idea that brings people together to fight the NWO is great.
Even if nothing happens you have all an opportunity to get to meet others who hate the NWO.
Some here actually like the idea of censorship , so don't let them get to you.
Just a thought but if some don't like the word anachist you could use activist.
Good Luck, wish I still lived in the UK. If I did I would be there.
love,lizzy

Lizzy, please stop the personal attacks and name calling. I've never made a single personal attack on you, ok? I've been cool about it so far, but it's starting to get on my nerves. If you keep it up, I'll be forced to do something about it, so please stop.

Archangel

[blah]

Everyone peace and love. Lets be kind to each other. We all want and deserve to know the truth. We can all make changes personally and externally. The point of what I am saying is...

Lets meet. Form a group! We are like minded and can serve the good as opposed to the negative. It can work! And if youre doubtful we wont know until we try. I think there are enough David Icke fans for us to gather . Where we meet wont be a problem. It will be informal. We can discuss what we can do. It has to involve serious minded people individuals however. Otherwise it would be difficult to do things.

Thanks
Kay

[lemonique]

Well theres many things that can be done. But first we need to concerntrate on change. I would suggest it start off with a group of people who just want to show their support for David Icke and his work. And then discuss ways in which we can educate people and when needs be protest or take action against NWO movements.

Hi Blah thanks for your reply, In my opinion this forum does all that you advocate above. There are meet-ups in England that you could go to to meet like minded people.
All the best
Lemonique

[lifeofbrian]

Kay, ignore woghd ( woggy) He is just very black energy.Nothing nice EVER comes from his posts, unless in agreement with someone else being negative.
I think that any idea that brings people together to fight the NWO is great.
Even if nothing happens you have all an opportunity to get to meet others who hate the NWO.
Some here actually like the idea of censorship , so don't let them get to you.
Just a thought but if some don't like the word anachist you could use activist.
Good Luck, wish I still lived in the UK. If I did I would be there.
love,lizzy

Spot the irony.

Oh no, can't take wogdh on board 'cause he's so "black energy".

But we are free to "fight" and "hate the NWO".

Good grief.

Grow up.

[blah]

Please PEACE AND LOVE! Keep it real. We are all adults. No time to waste in argueing. Awakening is also about being positive!

Thanks
Kay

[lifeofbrian]

Read my posts carefully please. However thanks for the good luck !:D

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. It would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.


I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

At first it would be an informal meeting of like minded people. You do not have to commit your time immediately. But I would prefer serious minded individuals to consider joining. The idea behind it is just as I said firstly to educate and then to become an activist. The group would decide what to do depending on what we agree on.

Thankyou!!
Kay

OK, we got it.

You can take a break now.

You know the rule: don't push your welcome.

There's a fine line between getting people on board vs turning them against you.

Give us all some room to breathe, please.

Take a five minute break.

[blah]

You get the point. Maybe others have not. Just dont read my posts if you dont like how I am trying to get my point across. I dont want to argue. Please. Keep it real! You dont have to reply.

Thanks
Kay:)

[blah]

and I have never felt the need to be liked.. by the way. Thats not my sole purpose.

Thanks
Kay:rolleyes:

[lifeofbrian]

and I have never felt the need to be liked.. by the way. Thats not my sole purpose.

Thanks
Kay:rolleyes:

Considering other people is common courtesy.

The world does not consist of or revolve around you and your message alone.

Nor does this forum.

Please take a back seat for five minutes.

Tune down the histrionics.

Thank you.

Looking forward to seeing you in a few weeks time, or so.

[thirdwave]

Read my posts carefully please. However thanks for the good luck !:D

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. It would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.


I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

At first it would be an informal meeting of like minded people. You do not have to commit your time immediately. But I would prefer serious minded individuals to consider joining. The idea behind it is just as I said firstly to educate and then to become an activist. The group would decide what to do depending on what we agree on.

Thankyou!!
Kay

Hi Blah

please dont spam the board, I know you mean well but we have rules for spamming and have to keep them in place...

I think your Idea is very cool and I have actually thought that maybe a day out in London with some banners and what ever we need just to educate certain people.... if all chipped in it could be quite an effective day out...

But in order for this to work I think you need to be more familiar with the people here and gain trust and so on...

I advice you to chat here more and get to know the posters... and this may well be a great idea...

I will also add that I do not favour the name you came up with... it does sound too confrontational, and would invite to much conflict.... We are note confronting... we are trying to push info.... confronting would just be seen as pests.... we would need to be smart and play the game..

"Truth Movment" .... "NWO awarness group" .... so on...

[blah]

Please dont insult me. Firstly, if I thought the world revolved around me. Why would I want to set up a group?.. Its for others. Secondly, why would I feel the need to back-up David Icke?...
A back seat. I never take a back seat! I am what I am. No apologies!:)

Tone it down yourself! Please, the world doesnt revolve around anyone!!!

[lifeofbrian]

Please dont insult me. Firstly, if I thought the world revolved around me. Why would I want to set up a group?.. Its for others. Secondly, why would I feel the need to back-up David Icke?...
A back seat. I never take a back seat! I am what I am. No apologies!:)

Tone it down yourself! Please, the world doesnt revolve around anyone!!!

Just saying; from the outside you seem to be pushing your welcome here.

Never mind. Do your social training in the manner you need.

LOL

[blah]

Again I make no apologies. I am not here to gain anyones trust. I am mostly an activist in all that I do. I cannot stand moaning or talking constantly about things I have already made up my mind on. The name is not so important as I have said before quite a few times.. lol

I am glad you would be willing to join the cause! A day out is not enough in my opinion. It should be a group I suppose I prefer meeting people face to face and discussing these things. Everyone has their unique way of doing things. I am pretty patient.

[mightiswrong]

Well, I am back in London and would be interested in meeting up with people to discuss creating a better world. Have been reading about this substance called argonite or something that is supposed to be good for the energy and wondered if it would help? If so I would be interested in helping put a lot of that around the city.

[blah]

lol this as about as socially trained as I will get!!! I am potty trained too by the way hehe;)

Thanks
Kay

[neutron flux]

blah, if you are thinking of setting up a group, a serious group, then some info might come in handy like this little booklet entitled "How to Spot a Spy," which was put together back during the days of the "Global Movement for Justice and Eco-Peace," when COINTELPRO was running rampant and some of those groups learned the hard way.

How To Spot a Spy

One way to neutralize a potential activist is to get them to be in a group that does all the wrong things. Why?

1) The message doesn't get out. 2) A lot of time is wasted 3) The activist is frustrated and discouraged 4) Nothing good is accomplished.

FBI and Police Informers and Infiltrators will infest any group and they have phoney activist organizations established.

Their purpose is to prevent any real movement for justice or eco-peace from developing in this country.

Agents come in small, medium or large. They can be of any ethnic background. They can be male or female.

The actual size of the group or movement being infiltrated is irrelevant. It is the potential the movement has for becoming large which brings on the spies and saboteurs.

This booklet lists tactics agents use to slow things down, foul things up, destroy the movement and keep tabs on activists.

It is the agent's job to keep the activist from quitting such a group, thus keeping him/her under control.

In some situations, to get control, the agent will tell the activist:

"You're dividing the movement."

[Here, I have added the psychological reasons as to WHY this maneuver works to control people]

This invites guilty feelings. Many people can be controlled by guilt. The agents begin relationships with activists behind a well-developed mask of "dedication to the cause." Because of their often declared dedication, (and actions designed to prove this), when they criticize the activist, he or she - being truly dedicated to the movement - becomes convinced that somehow, any issues are THEIR fault. This is because a truly dedicated person tends to believe that everyone has a conscience and that nobody would dissimulate and lie like that "on purpose." It's amazing how far agents can go in manipulating an activist because the activist will constantly make excuses for the agent who regularly declares their dedication to the cause. Even if they do, occasionally, suspect the agent, they will pull the wool over their own eyes by rationalizing: "they did that unconsciously... they didn't really mean it... I can help them by being forgiving and accepting " and so on and so forth.

The agent will tell the activist:

"You're a leader!"

This is designed to enhance the activist's self-esteem. His or her narcissistic admiration of his/her own activist/altruistic intentions increase as he or she identifies with and consciously admires the altruistic declarations of the agent which are deliberately set up to mirror those of the activist.

This is "malignant pseudoidentification." It is the process by which the agent consciously imitates or simulates a certain behavior to foster the activist's identification with him/her, thus increasing the activist's vulnerability to exploitation. The agent will simulate the more subtle self-concepts of the activist.

Activists and those who have altruistic self-concepts are most vulnerable to malignant pseudoidentification especially during work with the agent when the interaction includes matter relating to their competency, autonomy, or knowledge.

The goal of the agent is to increase the activist's general empathy for the agent through pseudo-identification with the activist's self-concepts.

The most common example of this is the agent who will compliment the activist for his competency or knowledge or value to the movement. On a more subtle level, the agent will simulate affects and mannerisms of the activist which promotes identification via mirroring and feelings of "twinship". It is not unheard of for activists, enamored by the perceived helpfulness and competence of a good agent, to find themselves considering ethical violations and perhaps, even illegal behavior, in the service of their agent/handler.

The activist's "felt quality of perfection" [self-concept] is enhanced, and a strong empathic bond is developed with the agent through his/her imitation and simulation of the victim's own narcissistic investments. [self-concepts] That is, if the activist knows, deep inside, their own dedication to the cause, they will project that onto the agent who is "mirroring" them.

The activist will be deluded into thinking that the agent shares this feeling of identification and bonding. In an activist/social movement setting, the adversarial roles that activists naturally play vis a vis the establishment/government, fosters ongoing processes of intrapsychic splitting so that "twinship alliances" between activist and agent may render whole sectors or reality testing unavailable to the activist. They literally "lose touch with reality."

Activists who deny their own narcissistic investments [do not have a good idea of their own self-concepts and that they ARE concepts] and consciously perceive themselves (accurately, as it were) to be "helpers" endowed with a special amount of altruism are exceedingly vulnerable to the affective (emotional) simulation of the accomplished agent.

Empathy is fostered in the activist through the expression of quite visible affects. The presentation of tearfulness, sadness, longing, fear, remorse, and guilt, may induce in the helper-oriented activist a strong sense of compassion, while unconsciously enhancing the activist's narcissistic investment in self as the embodiment of goodness.

The agent's expresssion of such simulated affects may be quite compelling to the observer and difficult to distinguish from deep emotion.

It can usually be identified by two events, however:

First, the activist who has analyzed his/her own narcissistic roots and is aware of his/her own potential for being "emotionally hooked," will be able to remain cool and unaffected by such emotional outpourings by the agent.

As a result of this unaffected, cool, attitude, the Second event will occur: The agent will recompensate much too quickly following such an affective expression leaving the activist with the impression that "the play has ended, the curtain has fallen," and the imposture, for the moment, has finished. The agent will then move quickly to another activist/victim.

The fact is, the movement doesn't need leaders, it needs MOVERS. "Follow the leader" is a waste of time.

A good agent will want to meet as often as possible. He or she will talk a lot and say little. One can expect an onslaught of long, unresolved discussions.

Some agents take on a pushy, arrogant, or defensive manner:

1) To disrupt the agenda 2) To side-track the discussion 3) To interrupt repeatedly 4) To feign ignorance 5) To make an unfounded accusation against a person.

Calling someone a racist, for example. This tactic is used to discredit a person in the eyes of all other group members.

Saboteurs

Some saboteurs pretend to be activists. She or he will ....

1) Write encyclopedic flyers (in the present day, websites) 2) Print flyers in English only. 3) Have demonstrations in places where no one cares. 4) Solicit funding from rich people instead of grass roots support 5) Display banners with too many words that are confusing. 6) Confuse issues. 7) Make the wrong demands. 8) Compromise the goal. 9) Have endless discussions that waste everyone's time. The agent may accompany the endless discussions with drinking, pot smoking or other amusement to slow down the activist's work.

Provocateurs

1) Want to establish "leaders" to set them up for a fall in order to stop the movement. 2) Suggest doing foolish, illegal things to get the activists in trouble. 3) Encourage militancy. 4) Want to taunt the authorities. 5) Attempt to make the activist compromise their values. 6) Attempt to instigate violence. Activisim ought to always be non-violent. 7) Attempt to provoke revolt among people who are ill-prepared to deal with the reaction of the authorities to such violence.

Informants

1) Want everyone to sign up and sing in and sign everything. 2) Ask a lot of questions (gathering data). 3) Want to know what events the activist is planning to attend. 4) Attempt to make the activist defend him or herself to identify his or her beliefs, goals, and level of committment.

Recruiting

Legitimate activists do not subject people to hours of persuasive dialog. Their actions, beliefs, and goals speak for themselves.

Groups that DO recruit are missionaries, military, and fake political parties or movements set up by agents.

Surveillance

ALWAYS assume that you are under surveillance.

At this point, if you are NOT under surveillance, you are not a very good activist!

Scare Tactics

They use them.

Such tactics include slander, defamation, threats, getting close to disaffected or minimally committed fellow activists to persuade them (via psychological tactics described above) to turn against the movement and give false testimony against their former compatriots. They will plant illegal substances on the activist and set up an arrest; they will plant false information and set up "exposure," they will send incriminating letters [emails] in the name of the activist; and more; they will do whatever society will allow.

This booklet in no way covers all the ways agents use to sabotage the lives of sincere an dedicated activists.

If an agent is "exposed," he or she will be transferred or replaced.

COINTELPRO is still in operation today under a different code name. It is no longer placed on paper where it can be discovered through the freedom of information act.

And that's about it for the booklet: How To Spot a Spy

[blah]

Everything would help! Combining forces, talents, knowledge etc..
Thanks so much Mightiswrong. At the moment all I am doing is writing down names and asking that you all stay intouch. Things can fall apart rapidly so I ask that you all take me seriously and if for ever reason I couldnt make it for the first meet-up ( however it would only be if there was an emergency :))that you go right ahead anyway! Its about working togeather.

[lifeofbrian]

lol this as about as socially trained as I will get!!! I am potty trained too by the way hehe;)

Thanks
Kay

A'right. Can you promise you will stay within this one thread only then?


If so, we can probably co-live peacefully.

Thanks,
Rob

[adimon]

And stop repeating your original post every few minutes....please!

[blah]

lol I will stay on this thread. Dont worry!! Brain..
Yes, Neutron flux I will take what you said into consideration. And have a look at the e-book that you suggested my reading. This can be a issue later having spys. But initially its not. Because others think these things will automatically fail. Precisely as some of the members do on this board. I would really like to emphasise that this could only happen because people do not believe it could work. So ironically, they set things up to fail.

Thanks
Kay

[thirdwave]

Everything would help! Combining forces, talents, knowledge etc..
Thanks so much Mightiswrong. At the moment all I am doing is writing down names and asking that you all stay intouch. Things can fall apart rapidly so I ask that you all take me seriously and if for ever reason I couldnt make it for the first meet-up ( however it would only be if there was an emergency :))that you go right ahead anyway! Its about working togeather.

If its turns into a popular thing then we can stick a sticky thread up for ya...

[blah]

It will;) If enough people have the desire to unite in person and come togeather with a common goal.

Thanks
Ella

[lizzy]

Spot the irony.

Oh no, can't take wogdh on board 'cause he's so "black energy".

But we are free to "fight" and "hate the NWO".

Good grief.

Grow up.

I'll try to be a grown up .
OK. woggy is not that black he's actually really very cute.
If I was ever in another "Seattle Battle" again I would want woggy with me.LOL
love lizzy

[lifeofbrian]

I'll try to be a grown up .
OK. woggy is not that black he's actually really very cute.
If I was ever in another "Seattle Battle" again I would want woggy with me.LOL
love lizzy

Yay, an even playing field. Great stuff. :)

[blah]

Keep the peace!! :)
Lifes to short for drama.

[gordonfreeman]

Maybe we should start an resistance like what Half-Life 2 did with the citizens in City 17.

[blah]

I havent seen that. But I am all up for a revolution!!! :D

[baron von lotsov]

The name can be changed depending on the consensus of the group and thankyou. I would ask that you ignore the group name and concerntrate on the purpose of the group instead then.
Thankyou

Thankyou!!
Kay

Call it anti-globalisation. I don't like the word Illuminati as it has CT connotations. They don't even use New World Order these days either, they call it globalisation so to get the largest support use this.

PS anarchy is an Illuminati social movement, they invented punk, it goes right back to the Frankfurt School.

[cruise4]

The more people doing something, the better. Especially if they are of the WeAreChange type affair. Reading this thread has 'felt' like watching COINTELPRO at work. Have they just outed themselves? Go for it Blah.

[whitenight639]

If you change the Anarchist bit and have some meet ups more central, ill be there!

[synergy777]

i think due to your lack of posts etc people are reluctant to sign up. its a matter of trust etc. also due to lack of posts/history, you could just be a govt ploy to round up dissenters etc. as the saying goes "keep your friends close but your enemies closer".

its hard to trust anyone in this world. also the anarchists bit, sounds wrong, as i believe in a mature approach not a knee jerk reaction of anarchy. also what are targets of this gruop, what are the mission statements, goals, objectives, methods of operation. you need to present a structure and manifesto and to gain peoples trust.

also i for one would rather work alone until i have truly connected with people who i know have good character, strength of character and will stand with us. many people will sell out for their 30 pieces of silver.

thanks for the pm though. i would join, and contribute, but more info is needed. its true that we have reached a stage where we need to become more professional and unite.

[ssyx]

On David Icke...
...I dont think hes that much of a smart guy....
He seems to be very specifically interested in making certain cases and not that open minded....

You made the above statements in some of your first posts, then you start this thread saying how great his work is and we should repay him. Seems a little contradictory to me.

Also your name seems to have changed from Kay to Ella at some point during this thread.

I think de shit hit the nail on the head.

[blah]

I just a normal person. A fan of David Icke. Its an idea. Thats all an idea, that I wanted to put forward so people could really think about the fact that they do have power. This will happen at sometime anyway. Look at the way David Ickes career has gone. Its gone from strengh to strengh. So people are listening. A group needs quality not quantity. David Icke has done enough he needs back-up in my opinion. Actions speak louder than words! I wont be the leader nor the boss. I cant think of all the ideas... so you dont need to be suspicious of me.

Thanks
Kay

[zero1]

Wouldn't a meeting in London be a little too...conspicuous? I personally hold Anarchic views, and am an enthusiast in respect of the Conspiracy, but I would be loathe to wind up on a report sheet in some Tavistock folder marked "Potential Terrorist Nuts". :rolleyes:

Unless that's already the case...

[blah]

Thanks for your support. Again I said it would be a meet-up group of like minded people. And from there on it could then become an activist group depending on what the group once. Im only presenting a picture of what could happen and what most likely will happen eventually. You dont need to trust me. Perhaps I differ from you in that I like to take risks. I dont get frightened of putting myself across. Jumping in the deep end of something. When I believe in something and I do believe that David Icke is trying to send a messege to people to empower themselves, that they can make a difference as he has done by spreading information then and to be peaceful and loving in spirit. Then I like to say hey so lets go for it. You have no need to join. I am not a genius I dont have all the ideas. I presented a picture to you of forming a little revolution thats it... what you add is welcome. This forum is great but more can be done.

[blah]

dont think hes that much of a smart guy....
He seems to be very specifically interested in making certain cases and not that open minded....

I said this because I do not think the way he started out was right. He revealed pretty quickly that he felt that reptiles existed and emphasised too strongly how some otherly intelligence had come to him and told him about the NWO and this was a wrong move. Because people then come to the conclusion that he was crazy. And he has pushed this too far and I think it comes across wrongly.
However he has done enough. And is constantly trying to spread light and love. So his heart is in the right place in my opinion. And his passion and ability to stand up to criticism is admirable. So he deserves our back up. I believe in most of everything he says about the NWO/Illuminati too. And I dont see why people shouldnt do something about it if they believe in that too.

You can say I am suspicious/stupid/too aggressive/ or what ever.
It isnt really the point. People try to change things because they believe that they dont have the rights that they deserve. It effects our children. Others children. Our parents/grandparents. Ourselves, friends. I mean, if this isnt reason enough to want to try to make a change I dont know what is.

As for forming a group with differing views and opinions. This happens. Its nature. However, I dont believe it should divide a people. If there is a common goal. Thats what matters frankly. The details of how people see things differently doesnt matter so much. Love and peace bonds. Negativity divides.

Thanks
Kay

[blah]

I am counting. So far there are 11 people who agree an activist group inspired by David Ickes good works based in the UK, is worth the effort and would be a good idea - who have read my threads. Location can be agreed. I say London because this is usually where Davids Ickes lectures are held. And meeting could happen before one of his talks or after. Come togeather!

Thanks all
Kay

[i_am]

I am counting. So far there are 11 people who agree an activist group inspired by David Ickes good works based in the UK, is worth the effort and would be a good idea - who have read my threads. Location can be agreed. I say London because this is usually where Davids Ickes lectures are held. And meeting could happen before one of his talks or after. Come togeather!

Thanks all
Kay

Hello Kay

It seems you are unaware that David does not do many talks now. It will be two years since the last one. A bit long between meets methinks. ;)

Also I think you are having a few problems getting support as what you are proposing is so vague. Do you have a specific target?

Were you inspired by one of David's books or a video? If so which one and what really got you started on this crusade?

[synergy777]

its just how can i put it, most of the people here are in my view, quite nice, friendly, good, meek people. they have good spirits/hearts and can be easily led, due to them wanting to help others. very few in this area are "streetsmart". so we need to protect some of these wonderful peeps from being manipulated/hustled. i am not saying they are unintelligent, its just good people get hustled in this world, because people take advantage of their goodness, they see their kindness as weakness. we need a mix of people. not saying i am a protector, but very few could hustle me.

we need a name, manifesto, mission statement etc. i do not like the anarchist bit, and will not associate myself with any flawed political ideology. what we need is a liberation/unity movement etc. the more professional our name, the more serious people will take us. we should copy the ideas/images of successful thinktanks, political movements eg neocons. i even think we could rip off the ipod campaign, or other campaigns. as these already in the publics mind.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LIVING/11/13/guerrilla.marketing/

Six great guerrilla marketing campaigns

By Chris Connolly

(Mental Floss) -- Each year, America spends about $250 billion on marketing and advertising -- more than the entire GDP of Thailand. Too bad most of that money is a complete waste. For an increasingly savvy, TiVo-equipped public, our brains seem to shut down whenever something registers as "advertising." Which means all those marketing creatives at the big ad firms have had no choice but to, well, get more creative.


"The Blair Witch Project" used a low-budget Internet campaign to create buzz for the movie.

Some advertisers have relied on product placement (think James Bond stopping mid-gunfight for a refreshing sip of Heineken). Others have attempted to make their ads so entertaining that people will watch them in spite of the sales pitch. And then there's the more mischievous route -- the grassroots, take-it-to-the-streets method -- and that's where guerrilla marketing comes in.

Dirt-cheap and chock full of trickery, guerrilla marketing is advertising with a wink. The successful campaigns usually corral attention through subversive means before revealing their true purpose, and they distinguish themselves by being so clever that even once the bait and switch is revealed, there's no negative outcry.

In other words, even though consumers know they've been duped, the reaction amounts to nothing more than a bashful, "Oh Pepsi! We can't stay mad at you!"

And it's with that good-humored and awe-inspired mindset that we pay homage to the best "gotcha" moments in advertising.

1) The Blair Witch Project

Arguably the most important aspect of a successful guerrilla campaign is staying one step ahead of the public. As consumers become more attuned to ad agency efforts, marketers have to figure out how to attack the mob from unexpected angles. The brand standard for catching the public off guard? 1999's The Blair Witch Project. With no stars, no script, and a budget of around $50,000, University of Central Florida Film School pals Daniel Myrick and Eduardo Sánchez successfully scrubbed out the line between reality and fiction.

The film's tagline set the stage: "In October of 1994, three student filmmakers disappeared in the woods near Burkittsville, Maryland, while shooting a documentary. A year later, their footage was found." Audiences were expected to believe what they were watching -- shaky, low-quality videotape of three runny-nosed kids weeping in the woods -- was an edited-down version of real recovered footage. And while it was certainly an inventive way to challenge the boundaries of cinematic storytelling (not to mention justifying the low-budget look of the film), Blair Witch didn't exactly seem poised to rival Titanic. That is, until an inventive guerrilla marketing scheme was devised.

To ease the suspension of disbelief and stir up some buzz, Sánchez created a Web site devoted to the Blair Witch -- a fictitious, woods-based specter who'd been snapping up Maryland kids for the last century. Although the legend was created out of whole cloth, it was soon snapped up by gullible Interneters everywhere, and a first-ballot hall of fame urban legend was born. Pretty soon, thousands of people were terrified of the Blair Witch. Even when the actors who played the "film students" started showing up (alive) doing interviews about the movie, many across the country refused to believe the Blair Witch wasn't real.

From that point, the "I've got to see for myself" effect took over, and Blair Witch dominated at the box office. Considered the most effective horror hoax since Orson Welles' The War Of The Worlds broadcast, the film grossed $250 million worldwide. Not a bad return for Artisan Entertainment, which paid only $1 million for the flick after its Sundance screening.

2) Médecins du Monde

Not all guerrilla campaigns are about the money. In fact, one of the cleverest and most altruistic grassroots marketing efforts was pulled off by a group called Médecins du Monde -- an international humanitarian organization devoted to providing care for vulnerable populations around the world.

In late 2005, the French branch of the organization staged an extremely effective campaign to draw attention to the plight of the homeless in Paris. Christened the "tent city" initiative, the group distributed some 300 "two-second tents" to destitute Parisians sleeping outdoors. Equipped with the rapid-deploying tents (which didn't require poles or pins), the homeless gathered in small groups of eight to 10 along the Quai d'Austerlitz and the Canal Saint-Martin. The prefab shelter, which bore the Médecins du Monde logo, drew immediate attention to the number of homeless people in the area and provoked such incredible public outrage that the city was forced to act. A rare off-season government session was convened, and officials admitted that Paris' homeless shelters were vastly overcrowded. They immediately announced the allocation of nearly $10 million for emergency housing.

3) Half.com

The thing about Internet domain names is that they're frequently difficult to remember. They have "krayzee" spellings, or "numb3rs" in them, or they're only tangentially related to the products they offer. (What does "fogdog" have to do with sports equipment, anyway?) And in 1999, name recognition was one of the main problems facing half.com, an eBay-esque online marketplace that allows people to sell used items for fixed prices without the hassle of an auction. "There is such a dot-com clutter out there," half.com CEO Joshua Kopelman said at the time. "We wanted to do something innovative to get some visibility in the crowd."

That something turned out to be giving the 360-person town of Halfway, Oregon, $100,000 and a new computer lab to rename itself half.com for one year. When media outlets picked up the story, half.com (both town and Web site) got some much-needed publicity. Within weeks of its launch, the site was covered by the Today show, The Wall Street Journal, and The New York Times. Time magazine even called the renaming arrangement "one of the greatest publicity coups in history."

The man who literally put half.com on the map was the site's then VP of marketing, Mark Hughes. Hughes, who is now proprietor of buzzmarketing.com, managed to generate so much publicity for half.com that only three weeks after the renaming was announced, eBay snapped it up for a cool $313 million. And while half.com is probably the most successful town/product renaming event in history, it's not the only one. In 1950, Hot Springs, New Mexico, rechristened itself Truth or Consequences after a popular game show, and in 2005, Clark, Texas, decided to go by DISH, Texas, in exchange for a decade of free satellite TV.

4) Acclaim Entertainment

Nowhere are the semi-criminal aspects of guerrilla marketing more important than in pitching to videogamers. Regular folks might occasionally enjoy being duped by an unusually clever campaign, but gamers seem to suck down daring and deception like a Big Gulp of Mountain Dew. The more the stunts flaunt the law, the more the gaming demographic seems to like them.

The undisputed high-score holder in this renegade arena is Acclaim Entertainment, a plucky little company that began as a one-room outfit in Oyster Bay, New York, and bloomed into a multinational juggernaut. Eschewing artistry in favor of an "all publicity is good publicity" philosophy, Acclaim stirs up the stuffy types -- and then laughs all the way to the bank. One of its bedrock tactics is to offer people money for performing some insane stunt on behalf of its upcoming game. Prior to the release of "Turok: Evolution," for instance, the company offered £500 to the first five U.K. citizens who'd legally change their names to Turok. (Almost 3,000 people tried to claim the prize.) Later, promoting the release of "Shadow Man 2," Acclaim announced it would pay the relatives of the recently deceased to place promotional ads on the headstones of their dearly departed. The company said the promotional fee might "particularly interest poorer families."

The latter campaign was, of course, shouted down. But Acclaim blew it off and said the whole thing was a joke -- right after its name had been conveniently plastered all over the headlines. In fact, many of the company's schemes are designed to die on the vine that way. Acclaim actually counts on law enforcement and city officials to shut down their antics -- preferably as publicly as possible. In 2002, the company announced its plans to promote "Gladiator: Sword of Vengeance" using something called "bloodvertising." Touting it as the bloodiest game of all time, Acclaim said it was developing bus shelter ads that would seep a red, blood-like substance onto city sidewalks throughout the course of seven days. Officials thought that might not be in the best taste, so the campaign was aborted, as the world looked on. Also in 2002, Acclaim offered to pay all speeding tickets incurred in the U.K. on the day its racing game "Burnout 2" was released. Naturally, the bobbies balked, feeling that removing the consequences for speeding might encourage people to speed. Acclaim judiciously rescinded the offer, but, yet again, not before the name "Burnout 2" was burned into the public consciousness.

5) Vodafone

While some guerrilla campaigns border on art -- baffling consumers with their cocky blend of ingenuity and imagination -- others take a more boorish approach. During the 2002 Bledisloe Cup rugby match, for example, two young men suddenly burst onto the field at a crucial moment and ran across the pitch wearing nothing but the Vodafone logo painted on their backs.

Admittedly, streaking at a rugby match isn't exactly uncommon, but sponsored streaking very much is. Adding to the drama? The fact that the match was held in Telstra Stadium -- Telstra being Vodafone's competitor.

In the end, one of the streakers was fined $3,500 (AUS), and a maelstrom of criticism was directed at Vodafone. However, millions of TV viewers witnessed the event live, and it was covered everywhere from CNN to the front page of the The Times in London. For a company seeking to sell itself as young and brash, such backlash was a ringing endorsement.

6) Obey: Andre The Giant Has A Posse

Most marketing ploys are created to promote a product, but the global rash of stickers, posters, and stencils reading "Andre The Giant Has A Posse" exist only to urge people to question their surroundings. In essence, it's an ad campaign against advertising.

As subversive as it is pervasive, what became known as the "Obey Giant" campaign began when Rhode Island School of Design art student Shepard Fairey made a bunch of stickers and started putting them up around Providence. Mimicking Soviet-style propaganda posters, the stickers featured the unlikely visage of late professional wrestler Andre "The Giant" Roussimoff accompanied by messages like "Obey" and "Andre the Giant Has A Posse." The stickers' message was unclear -- yet clearly counterculture. It resonated with local skateboarders, rockers, and other underground types, and soon, many were asking to join in the fun. The stickers spread underground to New York, Los Angeles, and Boston, and within a few years, they were all over the world.

The Obey Giant campaign is the kind of thing that, once you see it for the first time, you start to see it everywhere. The stickers are hip and cryptic, and they capitalize on the fact that most people think it's cool to be part of something not everyone understands. Beyond that, the campaign does have a high-minded mission -- to create a kind of emptiness in the observer. The propaganda orders a person to do something ("obey"), but the viewer doesn't know what to do or how to obey. Fairey hopes this confusion will make people question other directives they receive visually -- namely, in ads.

These days, Fairey heads up a design and marketing company that reps youth-targeted brands, such as Pepsi and Universal Pictures. An anti-advertising ad campaign staged by a big-shot advertiser? It doesn't get much more guerrilla than that. E-mail to a friend

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[blah]

When I said we should meet before or after one of his talks. I meant as an initial meeting just so people feel comfortable and this way it would be informal.
Hooold on I havent got support?.. 11 people in 3 days ??! Do your math.
(and I dont mean that rudely.)
Yes, its vague because its a new idea, that needs work!! I was inspired by all of David Ickes books and him as a person!
Nothing got me started on this crusade, its just my personality. I dont like sitting and complaining or trying to figure out what this or that means. I prefer to grab the ball by the horns!
As I have said the goal of the group would be to bring about peace and love. The way in which this would be done is also in a peaceful way. Its not a terrorist group or meant to intimidate others. Its meant to empower!
I think you either get it or you dont. If you dont then maybe youre not ready.. if you do then jump on board and put pragmatic ideas forward! Actions not words!!

Thanks
Kay

[seanx]

I wonder who ' blah' really is.

She is obviously a female - or is imitating a female is her writing
pattern - but I think this is a con.

I smell that great character 'tis was.

But maybe not.

What do you think?

[blah]

"we need a name, manifesto, mission statement etc. i do not liek teh anarchist bit, and will not associate myself with any flawed political ideology. what we need is liberation movemnet, a unity movement etc. the more professional our name, the more serious peopel will take us. we should copy the ideas/imgaes of successful thinktanks, political movements eg neocons. i even think we could rip off the ipod campaign, or other campaigns. as these already in the publics mind."

Understood. I am not particulary meek or quiet lol. And I fear very few things. I have one life and prefer to manifest whats in my mind. Its ok there are people who are less trusting, maybe a little suspicious and so on.
I accept that. Yes, absolutely bring ideas forward. I am not a one person crusader. Im a group person. More social and love people coming togeather for a common cause - especially if its a positive one that is going to happen at some point anyway. I dont believe Icke should be alone in this. He should have a back-up team. Its ok to rip off others but I think we have to keep in mind that its inspired by David Icke and also to discuss what hes saying, his ideas, theories and research. I would never suggest an extremist group. I am a peaceful person. But more then willing to stand up and be counted for what I believe in especially when its to do with my rights!!

My messege is do not be afraid, become empowered, know that you can make a difference, believe in yourself, wake up and do something about it

[synergy777]

why not meet at a pub, an informal meet and greet, and if she is a spook or elite, me brothers can get tooled up and remove the trash, lol

only joking, thats why i stated to her give us details, she didn't. personally i pity the fools who work for the elite they might think they are winning, but that is merely an illusion, they forget whose house they are in, its not their master's, but ours. and once they have used up their usefullness, their masters will restructure and terminate their employment, lol

[i_am]

11 maybes out of 10,000 is not a lot.

Of course you didn't mean to be rude :) and there is nothing wrong with my math, incidentally.

You have not answered anyone's questions, just continued with vague statements.

As for taking the bull by the horns, which bull are we talking about? Throw some ideas in to the ring. Maybe open up a dialogue. What actions are you proposing?

It makes no difference to me. I am not even in your country. I am just pointing out, as have a number of others, that it is wise to question.



When I said we should meet before or after one of his talks. I meant as an initial meeting just so people feel comfortable and this way it would be informal.
Hooold on I havent got support?.. 11 people in 3 days ??! Do your math.
(and I dont mean that rudely.)
Yes, its vague because its a new idea, that needs work!! I was inspired by all of David Ickes books and him as a person!
Nothing got me started on this crusade, its just my personality. I dont like sitting and complaining or trying to figure out what this or that means. I prefer to grab the ball by the horns!
As I have said the goal of the group would be to bring about peace and love. The way in which this would be done is also in a peaceful way. Its not a terrorist group or meant to intimidate others. Its meant to empower!
I think you either get it or you dont. If you dont then maybe youre not ready.. if you do then jump on board and put pragmatic ideas forward! Actions not words!!

Thanks
Kay

[blah]

Yeah awesome! :) I was thinking that an informal meeting at the pub would be nice. To be honest I get a little nervous when meeting people for the first time. But neither my nerves nor my suspicion puts me off. I do think on the whole the people on this forum are on the same boat and are good people!

I am not an elite person lol.. Thank goodness! I am happy being the average joe!! Actually, yes I am female. I do keep myself as abit of an enigma. Because I suppose I am testing the waters and trying to see how many people independantly would like to be activists. Excuse my strange ways of behaving. But its a personal as well as a social journey in my opinion. And its HARD HARD HARD, getting people moving and deciding to act apon what they know. But because I believe it will happen. I would rather say now " Hey guys, come on we can make a difference if we unite and think!"

Thanks
Kay

[seanx]

Yes, but WHO are you?

Tell us something about yourself and what you believe?

Do you, for example - believe in Icke's idea that we can ceate
our own reality- and in that way make the world a better world???

You seem very vague? or is that a rumour too far?

[blah]

11, out of 10,000 - not many people know about it. Only the people who have read the threads and most people who just surf over things do not comment. So please, that most certainly does not put me off. And besides its quality not quantity! I am an ideas person. Well,there is real life. This is just the internet. What if people knew there was a group? You dont think they would become curious after reading his books?!! Come on are you crazy.. of course they would. The potential is there ..

[dmt head]

What would the group do then ? March in the streets with banners and the like? Dont think it should be David Icke fan club type thing either some people just close their minds straight away when they hear his name lol

What would happen or does happen at meets ? Do people just talk about what can be done and discuss Ickes work? Orgonites the only thing ive found personally that feels like your doing something physically, or said group could write their name on money as some do with orgonite.

Theres loads on this site about what can be done in the awakening /what can be done section :)

[synergy777]

the pub is my fave place, its has been under attack from the fascists who are copying hitlers policies of banning smoking. hitler banned smoking, he was against it, and look what a nice fella he was, lol he called smoking the curse of the red man put on the white man. whereas he was the curse of satan put on man, lol

i think it would be good for us do something, but we such a fragmented, group, we can't even decide on a core set of beliefs, we have people who range from all aspects of aletrnative theories, from mars being the home of whites, we are gods, to this ain't real, just think positive, or gaze at your navel whilst chanting aum etc.

[blah]

As I said I am a normal person. I worked as a manager of an art gallery and then a psychic. Then I travelled alone around Italy. And next week I am about to start an NLP training course.

Yes, we live in a dream created by those who are more powerful than ourselves. The reality that we know is there to control us. Because we as humans are too lazy to it ourselves very often. We want to entertained and lead. As opposed to changing things. People are in a state of powerlessness they dont believe they have any power and therefore complain a little too much and do less. I am guilty of it to an extent as well. I need to believe in something and for me being anti-illuminati makes sense.

Yeah, exactly put our heads togeather and change things. We each have specialised knowledge of how things are. This togeather can create a powerful force. Although it hasnt started as I said the potential is there!

I am a peaceful person. I hate cruelty. Lies and corruption from the government. Injustice.

I am vague yes. Because its an idea, it hasnt been born yet!!!!!! Come on folks jump on board come togeather have the guts and lets help each other.. get sorted! Awakening is great, but if some of us have awoken what next, I am just suggesting the - what next.

Thanks
Kay

[seanx]

blah, what do you think of icke's idea that the best way to change
the world is to CHANGE OURSELVES first?

As a group when we meet, how do you think we can achieve that?

Should we leave all the rumours of the past that suggested we
were powerless and instead gather all our energies into one
single focus like the wind mills of old and start again?

it's a mystery?

[blah]

Well, If people close there minds straight away because they have heard the name David Icke thats there problem. If youre not a fan of his works.. then I suppose its not the group for you. It will be based in the UK, London I suggested .Yeah, sure people meet and discuss his works and what can be done, and others works who believe in similar things as he does. It would have to have structure. And I have said before it does need a range of different types of people if it is to work. Yep, the awakening section is good. It would be great if they could jump over here and comment too. Maybe this has been suggested before I havent read every thread. Or maybe it hasnt. Meets is a meeting. I really feel that it should be Icke inspired! Please let me know what you think... other people in London. Because then it keeps things very much based on " The nature of reality" and current. David Icke is famous and very current. Controversial. I think is of huge importance to keep this in mind.

Thanks
Kay

[synergy777]

cool history, art gallery, what type of art, you are a psychic, awesome, can you do web readings, are you the oracle. italy is cool, what parts did you go to, florence?.

as for thinking we are powerless, no, quite the contary, most here know we have power, but thats the first step, the easiest step.

the next is finding real techniques, thats where the progress stops.

as thinking/visualising well, lifes not a lucid dream is it. in lucid dreams, i can do anything, but in reality, there are laws, like gravity, mental constraints etc. so its not as easy as we like to think.

[mightiswrong]

How about meeting near Tavistock square in a nice old pub this coming week?

Even if it is only a few people it seems like a fun thing to do and then we can find out more about Kay and each other and discuss the most likely strategies to help improve things. Chatting on a discussion forum is no substitute for talking in the real world.

I for one am not in the slightest bit worried about the illuminati.:eek::confused::D

[seanx]

Because then it keeps things very much based on " The nature of reality" and current. David Icke is famous and very current

Yes, but how can we do that?

How can we explain the nature of reality to people who don't want
to hear.

I heard a rumour recently that a great article was available that
could be delivered to everybody.

It was written by a man called mr. Drake who had a lovely cat, called........
oh. I can't think of her name..... something like.....No, can't remember..
anyway it was a great article .... we should print it out and give it to everybody.

[blah]

Its a eternal as well as an external change . Change ourselves of course we have to, as well as keeping in mind what we are doing. Why we are doing it. Look how long David Icke kept his mind on why he was doing what he was doing. One needs to be passionate and genuine. And willing to make efforts to let others know the truth. To push for the truth and fight for the right to have the truth. And to become at one with it.
People give away there power, everytime they nod and go along with another persons take on reality. Its one of those strange things unless you believe that you count then you count. If you back off and say no I wont do what I feel right. I wont follow my heart. Then youve givern in and giving up. Entertainment is another distraction, keeps us passive and in a state of vegetation.

[blah]

Like any tribe it needs intellectuals, people who know the law, those with an understanding of secret societies, the psychological warfare thats going on, anti-illuminatis, support, a certain amount of funding, a meeting place and so on. Of course it could be hard to find all of these - but it can happen, believe me. I wouldnt start it off as a political party. More of a group of individuals who want to make changes and have the desire to go against the NWO and know at least what how the illuminati works and the big businesses that they control.
Its not a simple thing. Its quite complex. It also would be a good idea to get the victims support or at least their accounts of being hounded by the CIA, abused by illuminati and so on.
Its the first step that counts. I believe there are enough people to get off their butts and want to take action against this mass hypnocracy. And its about making priorities about what issues should be tackled first. No hocus-pocus stuff. A pragmatic approach. I feel there are enough people who have now read books on this topic to a) be believers b) understand the genral idea behind wanting to know the truth and act apon it and c) people who are for the advancement and rights of people no matter their disposition.

It takes all types..

[synergy777]

i'm in london wed to fri most weeks now, as the shit hits the fan in the financial world, so an evening next week would be fine, wed or thur.

[blah]

I will be dressed like the men in black. Just kidding. Yeah, a quiet pub would be nice

" Chatting on a discussion forum is no substitute for talking in the real world. "
Thankyou.

well details are a thing that you have to be abit careful of spilling. This forum can be traced and previously there have been times when it was difficult to even get on the website. Which is inpart why I didnt feel 100% good discussing the details. It would be between us. Those who are serious. In order to have the will to make words into actions.
I cannot make next week. Because I live in the southwest 1hr from London.I can however, make it after xmas. I think it would be a great way to celebrate the new year! Would be very interesting start to the new year..

[blah]

Contempory art mostly, oil paintings, water colors, mixed media. Abstract, portrait, real life etc.. Well I love art because it shows you the myraid ways in which you can see life. Its very much a dream within a dream. I travelled all over Italy south and north alone it was fun! ! By the way I am still a baby sorta lol 27yrs old. I am a psychic and thats why I am here to let you know a group is going to start anyway lol... ;)

Thanks
Kay

[seanx]

I think it is a great idea.

Luckily, I have a great neighbour..a man called john Drake.

I just hope he'll be able to look after my sister's cat when I'm away.

'tiswas a great time when I could go anywhere and not worry about
such things... but there were the days!

Or have I had a pint too many on a saturday....and getting
paronoid?

[blah]

Thanks sean. Welcome to the club;) Bring the cat!! Cats are sooo beautiful..

[mightiswrong]

I don't know about the new year but Thursday sounds great to me.

[blah]

Well I am not going to stop you all if you want to meet up on Thursday. I will try my best, where are you all based?... I am in Swindon. Up the M4.

And by the way thankyou soooooo much for doing this! It means so much to me, makes me proud to be part of the human race lol

[blah]

Also guys, could you let others who are fans of Ickes works know that there is a meeting, like friends and stuff .. I mean spreading the word is important! Hopefully you will do it more tactfully then me lol

Thanks
Kay

[pigpot]

Some of the people of this forum have shown an interest in forming a group that meet up in the city of London, UK. To discuss matters pertaining to this
forum.
It would be an activist group. And we would make careful plans of what we could do to educate others on the Illuminati/NWO and other such subjects. And also be willing to stand up against certain political/media changes that would be inconflict with our rights to having a free and informed mind. Please let me know what you think of this. As it would be inspired by David Icke and inpart in tribute of his good works.
The group would be called " Anti-Illuminati Anarchist's". Or AIA.

I urgently need people to respond to this and let me know if you would like to join this. I also need people who have either a good knowledge of the subjects discussed in this forum or those who have attended his talks/lectures and who would like to play a big part in the group.

Thankyou!!
Kay

Anarchists is so shit... Get back to the seventies...... What is this, a group that plays with Action Man and likes to dress up......

Fuck me days....... How childish.... Ooohh!! I'm gonna get you...pew.. pew...


Fucking WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

[gold]

Also guys, could you let others who are fans of Ickes works know that there is a meeting, like friends and stuff .. I mean spreading the word is important! Hopefully you will do it more tactfully then me lol

Thanks
Kay

No you haven't been very tactful have you, but being tactful was never a strong point of yours, was it?:D

[gold]

I think it is a great idea.

Luckily, I have a great neighbour..a man called john Drake.

I just hope he'll be able to look after my sister's cat when I'm away.

'tiswas a great time when I could go anywhere and not worry about
such things... but there were the days!

Or have I had a pint too many on a saturday....and getting
paronoid?

This is so strange! I also have a neighbour called john Drake who looks after my sisters cat! tis very strange this!

[blah]

Pigpot good observation. Still youve missed the point! We are not kids, and well I think on the whole we are pretty positive about what can be achieved! Dont bother replying back to me, I dont really have time for negativity. I run on love! ;) Cheers

[blah]

Hi all, I really need some back-up here for those that are seriously interested in a meet-up! Like who lives in London? And who would be travelling?..Dates etc
And also we need to discuss other things. I would suggest we meet in a chat room or something. So we can make introductions before hand.

Thanks
Kay

[blah]

Merry Christmas everyone And to David Icke!
Remember keep the hope! Keep positive. Strive to make the world a better place! You can do it!!!

Love Kay

[ichi wa zen]

We should meet and discuss and think of something Blah!

Why not organize a David Icke Forummeeting or something?

That could be a great start organizing the people against The NWO and thinking of ways to fight them.

[blah]

Exactly my thoughts! Meet online first and then arrange a proper meet-up! Let others know I dont think this thread has been viewed by everyone on the forum who is wanting to do something...

[fremmenwarrior]

Hello Blah (Kay),

I understand your objectives and commend your positive approach and enthusiam to form an anti-Illuminati activist group (if you are being genuine and sincere about this). And yes, it would be good to get the army of 'armchair warriors' out there off of their butts and doing something more 'hands-on' than just pressing a few keyboard keys and clicking a mouse...

However, with all due respect, this would be very difficult to achieve; and it's clear that you didn't put much thought into your opening 'campaign speech'. Also, the 'A.I.A. Anti-Illuminati-Anarchists' title for the new group was, quite frankly, doomed from the very start as any activist group that has words like 'anti' or 'anarchists' in its title would be immediately crushed and silenced by the enemy / controlled media. That title is bound to make people think, this is all a bit suspicious?? Again, the media would have a field day and would tear the group apart in just a few hours. Sadly, even any attempt to change the 'A.I.A' name that you originally posted will now leave a lot of people with serious doubts as to the credibility and sincerity of your initial request to form a serious activist group - the damage has been done.

Just a couple of things to add:

Firstly, how can you expect to get many like-minded people on board if you have presented no 'modus operandi' / manifesto / lists of objectives, to share with like-minded people whom you wish to recruit and to stir their interest in your new activist group? It all seems rather vague and patchy to be honest Kay, and you are asking for people to travel long distances, at great expense, to turn up to a meeting to discuss - what exactly - you haven't really said apart from some sort of Icke fan-club type of thing.

Secondly, you talk as if 'the enemy' isn't monitoring this forum 24/7 - and you are asking people here to take a lot of risks by turning up 'en masse' to a publicly announced meeting somewhere in London. So, what is stopping Illuminati agents, infiltrators, spies, agitators, security services and undercover police officers from also turning up at this meeting, all disguised as 'like-minded supporters of David Icke?'

These things have to be planned carefully with pristine attention paid to every single detail - otherwise, any simple mistakes, even any wrong words or phrases used by group members within earshot of the controlled media, our enemies, and/or the police, and 'they' will have your new group labelled, outlawed and completely trashed in an instant, as being either 'sexist', 'racist', 'religionist', 'terrorists', and any other 'ists' they desire to use, so as to destroy the groups credibility in the eyes of the brain-washed sleepers.

Again, no offence intended Kay - just some observations.

Anyway, Good luck and Best Wishes.
FW

[gold]

Hello Blah (Kay),

I understand your objectives and commend your positive approach and enthusiam to form an anti-Illuminati activist group (if you are being genuine and sincere about this). And yes, it would be good to get the army of 'armchair warriors' out there off of their butts and doing something more 'hands-on' than just pressing a few keyboard keys and clicking a mouse...

However, with all due respect, this would be very difficult to achieve; and it's clear that you didn't put much thought into your opening 'campaign speech'. Also, the 'A.I.A. Anti-Illuminati-Anarchists' title for the new group was, quite frankly, doomed from the very start as any activist group that has words like 'anti' or 'anarchists' in its title would be immediately crushed and silenced by the enemy / controlled media. That title is bound to make people think, this is all a bit suspicious?? Again, the media would have a field day and would tear the group apart in just a few hours. Sadly, even any attempt to change the 'A.I.A' name that you originally posted will now leave a lot of people with serious doubts as to the credibility and sincerity of your initial request to form a serious activist group - the damage has been done.

Just a couple of things to add:

Firstly, how can you expect to get many like-minded people on board if you have presented no 'modus operandi' / manifesto / lists of objectives, to share with like-minded people whom you wish to recruit and to stir their interest in your new activist group? It all seems rather vague and patchy to be honest Kay, and you are asking for people to travel long distances, at great expense, to turn up to a meeting to discuss - what exactly - you haven't really said apart from some sort of Icke fan-club type of thing.

Secondly, you talk as if 'the enemy' isn't monitoring this forum 24/7 - and you are asking people here to take a lot of risks by turning up 'en masse' to a publicly announced meeting somewhere in London. So, what is stopping Illuminati agents, infiltrators, spies, agitators, security services and undercover police officers from also turning up at this meeting, all disguised as 'like-minded supporters of David Icke?'

These things have to be planned carefully with pristine attention paid to every single detail - otherwise, any simple mistakes, even any wrong words or phrases used by group members within earshot of the controlled media, our enemies, and/or the police, and 'they' will have your new group labelled, outlawed and completely trashed in an instant, as being either 'sexist', 'racist', 'religionist', 'terrorists', and any other 'ists' they desire to use, so as to destroy the groups credibility in the eyes of the brain-washed sleepers.

Again, no offence intended Kay - just some observations.

Anyway, Good luck and Best Wishes.
FW

Couldn't have said the above any better! I agree, people should display caution and discretion here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[truthcommission]

Absolutely. My intuition tells me straight away that this Kay (or Ella) person is not who she makes herself out to be. She is mostly likely completely deluded or a spy/agent provocateur. You would have to wonder about someone who states publicly they are up for a revolution and pleads with others to hop on board. You are being watched ..

[fremmenwarrior]

Kay, (Ella? or Blah?),

In addition: and again, with all due respect, you do talk as if all the 'like-minded' people only live in your state, and your own country? So many people who post here on this forum regularly come from all over the world. It would be an adminstrative nightmare to try to organise a group (or groups) in this way.

As I said, if you are genuine, then I admire your enthusiasm and I understand where you are coming from with this idea, but how can like-minded people possibly fight and defeat the iron-fist of covert Illuminati control with (piss weak) overt protest and resistance? It just doesn't happen these days.

After Oklahoma, the WTC 9/11, London, etc., etc., the sleepers won't listen or be swayed by a small group waving banners; and even leaflets and the loudest shouts of protest in public places won't even scratch the surface of the base stones of 'their' pyramid... no, doing this will NOT affect in the slightest those dying, diseased, twisted old men who hide in the shadows counting their gold and plotting our demise!

Neither would forming some sort of political party of resistence - again, 'they' have the political route all nicely 'stitched up' in their favor too.

Kay, please would you explain how you think that 'like-minded people' meeting up in this way in London, will achieve anything other than providing the UK police and international security services with many gigabytes of intelligence data which would then be used to identify and target members of 'the resistance' with?

This intel would be used against all those people who attend the meetings publicly, in some way or other, and more especially should any of the attendees ever commit a petty crime, or if 'they' ever 'get something' on anyone who attended. 'They' have proven many times in the past that 'they' will not hesitate to use this sort of information to completely discredit, threaten and summararily destroy any people who refuse to be browbeaten into submission to 'their' wicked system of control.

The topics which would be discussed at these public meetings, can be better researched, investigated and discussed openly here on the forum; and this information reaches far more people (via the internet), when compared to the relative few who would be able to turn up to a meeting in person, at some designated time, place and location.

Also, using the forum, people's personal identity and privacy remains intact... well, somewhat. Again, 'they' are monitoring this forum 24/7 - ok, so they have access to our I.P. adressess, woohoo, but that's about it. Much better that, than full frontal face pics, DNA samples, fingerprints and iris scans held on some government intelligence database.

Cheers,
FW.

[resevaz]

It does seem as though the sentiment is real, however naive it's expression. Now I've only managed a quick scan through this thread but I think that the advice offered here by fremmenwarrior is highly commendable. Heres hoping that blah does not take the reactions personally and can use the informaion here as I intend to, as a learning curve on the struggle and a reminder of how to conduct oneself.

[blah]

Sorry, Guys. I didnt reply because I thought that everyone had lost interest in the idea or found other ways to get there, other avenues where they could make a difference, cause change and so on...

Kay

[blah]

Hi All,

Its lovely when you are under attack or skeptism it reminds you how insanely paranoid people are. However! Having said this.. I also allow for other types of personalities and so thats cool. I wont try to beat around the bush.

Maybe I am not a good sales-person didnt come with the right approach in my opening as you put it. I dont know. I rarely think things through thoroughly I tend to want to chuck myself in the deep end and follow my instincts, do what I feels right . So I am not going to argue this point!
I have no mirror held up 24/7 so cannot see. And besides this my idea was based on the belief that others would chip in and make the thing more whole!! As I am a person who believes everyone has an equal say as long as they are serious about the matter, and within content, no bickering and so on.. I welcome ideas. As I pointed out before I am not a genius this is just an idea. So I hope thats explained abit why I cannot be the all-being all-seeing people would perhaps prefer me to be. Either way I am not really sensitive to others opinions in the sense that. If thats what they believe go ahead... and what I believe primarily is that nothing gets done without some risk. I dont know you as well as your not knowing me for example!

IF my friend, someone is going to let a name, that I chose on my own put them off forming an activist group then well goes to show how eager people are to do something about these things.... now as I said, I dont come as a one person entity. In groups people tend to support each other, throw about ideas and hopefully get to some more sensible solutions etc
So youre absolutely right it may have scared off people. So be it!

People asked me.. what do you mean? Explain more?... Told me they wont go into it unless they have the answers to all of their questions and I said, this is a forum everything can be traced, copied, kept and its not a wise idea to say everything here - Hence having a meeting! Things can be said OFF the board/forum/chat room .. I am extremely aware of people noseying in to all sorts.

Do you know what, if these so called spies turned up. I wouldnt care less in this way I feel its better to obliterate the enemy lol not in a fascist sense, but that if you DO NOT trust your instincts, intelligence, intuition then how are you going to function?... I trust myself and I am not afraid of the hard knocks of life. But youre absolutely aware in that it could be dangerous which is WHY I think there would need to be a group and not just 2 people, because in that is support and better many heads togeather then one. Then again its quality and not quantity.

LOL I dont believe in being super weary, super suspicious, super this or that .. Its not in my frame of thinking. I like risks, I like to as I said follow my passions and what my heart tells me, if I feel strongly enough about something I will act apon it, so perhaps in this sense I am a little bit more of a battler. Ready to go into the war zone - in action! To me its worth it. But having seen the responses to my messeges here I see that people dont think like I do. Which again is fine...

NOW, let me tell you something believe me or not. I am just like you , fed up with the way things are. However,I would die for my beliefs. Not next year, not the year after but now or in my old age. I do fear sure, but everything wonderful and worthwhile takes hard work and so on. For this I would die, just to make my grandchildrens or the neighbours kids, who ever happier.. or living in a more peaceful world, basically one that is not dominated by the Iluminatis. Now you could say this leaves me vulnerable? ... Maybe it does, but you know what I am here to leave my mark, weather small or big - for the GOOD - period! Please dont get me wrong, I am not trying to plead my case. I am just pointing out why I say what I do.

Yes youre absolutely right. People are worldwide and I appriciate that. If you want to say oh it cant happen.. believe it! It can!!! It can.. It can. Believe in your own power! I understand your concerns. When people go to war to you think they think, I will live?.. Of course they want to, pray to because they have families. For these things personally I have to be ready to die.
Yeah, dig up the dirt. Well I think the point is about a group like this is exactly what you pointed out. They will not make a smidgen of difference in the world - therefore they are most likely NOT being monitored 24/7. I mean of course David Icke is. But thats cos he has some of the biggest balls out there at the moment on this issue! Which does scare people.. so why only him??.. Why not us. Anyway, so its my belief that the group would not be monitored if anything belittled and spoken about the way it has been on this thread! Which is perfect!!! Be little, stay small... stay humble, quiet. Great! The group in my views would just be tackeling all the questions youre now asking head on. No BS. And it does take a certain about of speculation, planning and so on. Waving banners as you rightly pointed out wont cut it. You have to know how to play the game... I wouldnt say the group would change the world, no I am not saying that. I am saying an activist group could how ever make differencess.. which is the right step to take!

Anyway, take care and
HAPPY NEW YEAR :-)

Kay

[blah]

I am not into semantics, theres many very intelligent dyslexics. There are alot of insane people who say very sensible things. I am not going to give a 3hr talk on here about the benefits of forming an activist group. And to be honest I am not even going to conduct myself in the manner that you want me too.

I am going to be myself.

If you dont see the benefits of forming an activist group then thats fine.... Then you maybe are never going to or maybe it will take you a few years to do some kind of activist things to empower your people.

Secondly, I am not going to wait people who cant see its a good thing.

Thirdly, David Icke is up there giving 6hr lectures, writing books prolifically to get the messege out --- and I dont know about you but I hear it loud and clear!

Next, for those who are scared, and super suspicious join the CIA cos youre going to get nowhere very fast.

And a group is formed BECAUSE ITS A GROUP! Of equal people... if I was a super charismatic, smooth talker. You would not have as much power as me to add to the groups ideas, concepts and so on..
But I am not that guys! So blinkin wake up people have to work togeather to make these things work! Otherwise youre asking for another dictatorship, one-man ruler. Which is well.. look at history not exactly wise.

Thanks for hearing me out!
EMPOWER YOURSELF AND LOVE
Kay

[daria]

blah is bad news
avoid

[blah]

Fear IS an enemy. I was just honest and upfront. If you have nothing nice to stay dont say anything at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep in Love!
Kay

[on the road]

blah is bad news
avoid

how do you know that ?

[gravityhero23]

I'm up for a meet up in the New year. Gotta travel down from the North East so would be interesting to find out if there was any camping facilities nearby.

Used to live in London and if you don';t mind me saying, it's an e-smog hole of death.

Those dark Satanic mills of Blake's yesteryear are far worse than he imagined - maybe. anyway enough digression - -

Excellent replies Synergy - - a game plan and manifesto are much needed, plus a viral positive marketing campaign on the grassroots level that would employ everyone involved to be empowered in some way Holistically, empirically and intuitively. The opposite kinda thing of what Bill Hicks instructed all those people in marketing and advertising to go Kill themselves, we could invoke the people of our campaign to go on living -- to live themselves, OWN unique Power resonances...Or something like a t-shirt saying - "Really trust me - -I'm not a Big pharma Doctor" or suchlike - -

anyway i'm eager to become a part of a full movement - - have wanted this for years - - since I learned about the Illuminati - -through meditation and intuition not from a middlewo/man.

I can help in myriad ways - - Psychically, i'm your man - - used to corporate brainstorm for the beast for a little while until my self destruct altar was activated, now years later after much positive hardship i'm patched up and ready to Shamanically rocK....

Seriously and siriusly, my band have just featured musically on the American Drug War documentary so I can help in that way too.


Enough for now PM me for details please

K

[blah]

:rolleyes:A breath of fresh air. Yours has been the most positive, least condeming reply I have had on here.

To add a little informal resume myself. I am quite politically minded in that I consider myself pretty much out of the current government system and Im an individualist. March to what ever beat I think is best. So in that way I am not shy. I have spoken on radio and have managerial skills. Neither do I object to getting off my butt and into action. Happy to do some of the organizing though thats no problem.
I also worked for a company as a psychic so am very intuitive, prophetic dreams and things turning out as I expected they would.
In way of leading, I am not neccessarily the person - I tend to be more a supporter or advocate of those who have the best plan. So I could not be the organizer or the theorist. But I do work hard and would find this a worthy cause. I am an ideas person, and immensely private in the sense that between those who are loyal what is said stays where it was.

I do believe we should first meet and from there on form our own opinions of each other. Like you may find me creepy or feel I wouldnt be commited enough and so on.. So I think that we should take the slowly slowly approach. I dont mince my words, so I hope you do not abit of clumbsy and tend to speak up if I feel something better could be implimented. I am mostly a group person and tend to believe in others. I dont have huge knowledge of the Illuminati so I still have alot to learn. However, I know that I am definately against the world government and the corruption that continues to take place every day. I am pragmatic.

Thats what I feel I can add to the group :-)
Please tell your friends or people you think can also add to the group!!! Because I think it may happen you have lifted my hopes back up - thanks:p

Kay

[daria]

how do you know that ?

Read the thread and think

[blah]

when you hear the word " baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh" dont follow it run away. Sheep get very scared easily tend to stick to the herd and are very clicky! Tend to be weary of outsiders. And are easily led by dudes with whistles.
:p
But like I said when you heard the word " Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh"
RUN!

[blah]

An observation that must be said...

Others may agree with me or may not. Since Ive been on this forum, for starters I have found it very clickey and I dont know wheather its the british reserved thing or what. But I tend to embrace everyone.
Secondly, I am realising how the Illuminati continue to exist and it is because of people like you I am sorry to say. Now having said that your eyes are more open than others but the imputus is not there. And this paranoia thing is just crazy..

Anyway, because people bicker between themselves and argue, they are easily divided hence conquered. There is no common goal between people or not enough of a one to make the Illuminati in anyway nervous. Its my opinion that conspiracy thinkers, stay that way or try to sort through what is truth from what is fiction, and start to think sensibly and realistically about their government, big businesses and so on.

If this is how people would treat someone whos genuine then how would you treat someone whos not?.. Probably the opposite. I just feel sorry for people that they cannot empower themselves enough to take risks and make the moves that is in sync with their beliefs. This is I have to say extremely sad and I think its part of the reason the invisible governments thrive today and I hate to say it but this behaviour is abit like sheep that I have seen in reaction to my idea for an activist group - too much fear!

So I feel that if I cannot find friends amoungst like minded people. Then where can I find these people? Probably far and few between but thats my problem. So I will just end this by saying, I dont need your best wishes or good lucks... Just do me a favor and take action/empower yourself!
I hope it does happen that you do take action as a group as well and not just chatter chatter on the board for the next two centuries. Not saying however that the chatting isnt good - cos it is! LOL thats what forums are for!

But I personally hate to see the reason why the elite Illuminati rule before my eyes.. and I have to say peace out to you all! Stay in the LOVE and light and remember David Icke is a good guy, whos just trying to spread the truth. Back up the dude, he gave you this forum! He throws out books by the minute. Oh but there are other forums you might say. Well ok, but they arent made by a guy with a huge heart who genuinely feels for the people and who will probably spend his WHOLE life dedicated to his purpose to spread light - I bet!

Be good, dont be like me ;)
Kay

[i_am]

Kay, I have just been rereading some of your earlier posts and it is not surprising that people do not trust you.

You are now contradicting what you said when you first joined.

now
David Icke is a good guy whos just trying to spread the truth

Well ok, but they arent made by a guy with a huge heart who genuinely feels for the people and who will probably spend his WHOLE life dedicated to his purpose to spread light - I bet!


then
I have to say, can david icke be proven wrong.. to answer that very simply. Has he been proven right?.. I dont think so. So he remains in the twilight zone. Even having joined this forum. I think david ickes theory about reptiles is alot of nonsense, his idea on metaphysical ideas is alot of nonsense.. and so on. Overall, I dont believe he has a case for anything.

I dont think he reads this forum. Hes probably too busy researching. I dont think hes that much of a smart guy. And probably doesnt on the whole care too much what his fans think. Hes said before he doesnt give a toss what people think of him. He seems to be very specifically interested in making certain cases and not that open minded. So I wouldnt imagine he does. Maybe his secretary has a little look at the polls and numbers of people joining here though lol

Why not go along to the next meet up and get to know these people face to face. We have to be a little discerning. that does not mean we are sheep. would we not be sheep if we just went along with you without asking questions? People question David and that is fine so why should they not question someone who is just a name on a forum?

Calm down, get to know people and don't try to push them. Perhaps read your early posts which were not exactly supportive.

[blah]

READ THIS : Firstly, I am well aware that when I point a finger 4 are pointing back. So I have been manipulated exactly the same as you guys and have similar weaknesses. SECONDLY, listen to yourselves - the snake KNOWS people. Knows how their minds tick, whats in their hearts, how to leaaaaaaaaaaaad the sheep into the pen. Thirdly, A spy would make friends with you all, be completely and utterly unassuming so much that you may think hes docile and most likely he would agree with what you say...
Do you think a SPY or some intelligence service would be as clumbsy as I have been in making a point? Would they say hey, empower yourselves? Trust like minded people more? Come togeather?... Please. They are NOT that stupid.

And lastly again its not about ME. Its about the activist group so please stop making it a ME issue! Cos I am not about myself, I am about social groups and making lives happier, healthier and better for others. And this is my last statement!

AGAIN be good, dont be like me:rolleyes:
Kay

[blah]

Negativity is contagious and the first few threads I read I noticed a few new people joined in and had very good points and were ushered away but nasty comments. Now those that you just threw back at me were written because I was inharmony with this most utterly sad way of being negative about things. However, I still have similar statements to make. Davids Ickes reptile thing was not a sensible way to start out - not a smart move. Secondly, saying he was the son of god was not going to wash with a whole heap of people. I am not into peoples metaphysical subjective realities unless they are witnessed by other people. Yes, I dont think he reads this forum is that a crime what I said?.. His fans, well they provide the bread and butter so obviously they do count. YES I can be full of contraditions but read my last two threads cos this is what I have really learnt. And I am a person who learns and grows... its part of my journey. Again yes he COULDNT give a toss about what other people in the media who were trying to bring him down thought!!!! And neither would I! But it takes balls to do that so I admire him for doing so. He could be more open minded but then so could EVERYONE!
And he does actually have people taking care of this forum and looking at what people are saying - he does care. So I made a few contradictory statements - negativity is contagous and it out-rages me how new people are swept aside when they make worthy and interesting statements and I can clearly see they have talents that could help! Thats the last blimen case I make for myself... and secondly for those who say firstly I am ella and then kay.. well uh, I was tryna be honest my name is Ella but then I wanted to be private at times so I say kay. My name is Ella kay actually... thats my middle name - so again if youre not up for it and dont have the impetus ---- then in my eyes you have no real spirit or soul. If you do then obviously there is something more in you then the sheep mentality. They ILLUMINATI WORK because they dont argue amoungst themselves - they are loyal in that way and have aims goals.. they stick to the game plan . For that reason they have one up on the people of this forum for a start ( that was abit of a dumb statement I just made but.. ) my point is they are smarter than you guys!! Wake up!! Its not might and force that controls the masses, its fear - which has no foundation usually of the opposite side ( me in this case haha ) and its mind manipulation controlling what goes into our mind, what we hear, what we dont. BUT and this is the scarey part its an understanding of human nature. Well I very much doubt they would call us common people human and I am beggining to see why in a very scewed way!

Love
Kay

[blah]

I_am I dont have the patience for people . I could die tommorow -- so am game TODAY! And I like action fast.. ok so its not going to happen on here, then I believe this forum does not have the mentality suited to me at this time..

Which is OK

Love Kay

[fremmenwarrior]

Kay (Blah), with all due respect, how can you possibly expect people here to be so naive and trusting in you, especially going on what you have written here (and in many other topics), just saying the same thing over and over again?

How do people here know that you are not disinfo? or that you are not working for the Illuminati, or for the International Security Services, or the Police, etc? Or do we all just take YOUR word for it that you are genuine? By people questioning you about yourself and your new group's purpose and objectives,

THAT IS NOT PARANOIA Kay,

it's COMMON SENSE!

At first, I commended your direct approach and enthusiasm, (if you were indeed being genuine), but now after reading your latest replies to the sound advice offered by many people here, it does seem that you are now feeling rather disgruntled and have gone on the 'offensive', insulting people, simply because people have (wisely) questioned your motives, your credibility and sincerity, and asked you for more information about YOU, the new 'activist' group you want to set up, and on what basis are people going to be responding to your requests to become involved, join up, and turn up in person to your meetings.

After reading through this topic again several times, it's apparent that you have dropped some major 'clangers' and subsequently tied yourself up in knots with your replies; and now just seem to be trying to 'save face' and set about insulting everyone who has given you some very good advice about what to be careful of out there, you know Kay, IN THE REAL WORLD!

I am no expert and don't claim to be. I said to you, that right from the very beginning, by using the title 'Anti-Illuminati-Anarchists' for the new group (whether you were going to use that name or not at a later date), "the damage has already been done"; and that is why you should have researched and presented yourself, the new group and it's manifesto in a much more detail.

Can you understand why people were questioning you? because it was all so vague and rather unprofessional. That's a natural response when something so serious was so badly presented; and as I said, it's plain common sense to ask questions before one makes a serious commitment to something like this - but you seem to have taken great offence to those genuine questions and concerns? most probably because I don't think you really know how to answer them, and all this 'let's form an activist group' thing was all just done on a whim... Most probably you got a David Icke book for a Christmas prezzie and decided that forming a David Icke group would be your next 'flash-in-the-pan' crusade. No, that's not me being overly critical Kay, that is exactly how your post and later replies come across.

It's gets people thinking that everything you have said here really is all just BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... written by someone who is obviously completely awestruck by Mr. David Icke and wishing to start little more than an 'Icke fan-club' in the guise of an impromptu anarchistic activist group.

The first response to your rather vague and patchy opening post, calling for the formation of a group of 'Anti-Illuminati-Anarchists' to meet regularly in London, was a question:

You were asked, "activism how?"

You replied by saying, "I cannot say much about this."

What? Surely, you can see that this is like you posting a topic on here asking all people to send you £100 because 'it is for a good cause', but please don't question me about what I'm going to use the money for, I will tell you that after your money is safely in my bank account...

Kay, I don't wish to reiterate further on what I've already said in my previous.

You say that you are "prepared to die" for what you believe in - o.k. I admire your passion, but saying stuff like that on here doesn't impress me in the slightest - in fact it's rather foolish and dangerous to make such statements on a public (monitored) internet forum...

You will say "it's paranoia" - but I can just see it now on 'their' potential target database - 'possible anarchistic terrorist or suicide bomber residing at I.P. address.' That is how 'they' work against people who resist them publicly Kay, and 'they' will stop at nothing - consider their lies, the corruption, embezzlement, the political assassinations, and media hyped sex and drug scandals for politicians/people that 'go against 'their' wicked agenda' etc., etc., etc...

There are far better, more intelligent, positive, productive, 'covert' ways in which we can ALL fight Illuminati control TOGETHER, but bad planning, naivity, stupidity, wrecklessness and underestimating the enemy will just get us all... DEAD!

Kay, I don't want to discourage you - rest-assured, the time for those of us who wish to fight this evil head on will come - but it's not yet.

[blah]

Since you replied to me warrior - I shall reply in kind. I dont think the mentality of this board is suited to me at this time. Therefore, I will let you all be in peace and love as I have better things to do then talk with you all - in the way that you prefer to discuss things.

Goodbye.. and
Empower Yourselves and never give up!
Kay

[blah]

PS: I never ever intentionally meant to insult anyone. I love ya'll. I happen to be a very loving person.

My last reply....
Kay

[octopusrex]

Here is another little tidbit: The ruling force in the world right now IS anarchy. Folks don't recognize it at such becasuse many (but not all) live under the "rules" of certain societies. But these rules are not world-wide.

[gold]

PS: I never ever intentionally meant to insult anyone. I love ya'll. I happen to be a very loving person.

My last reply....
Kay

Tis a very nice world we live in! I truly do see the good in all and everyone! luv to you kay! Be all that you want to be and achieve all that that you want to achieve and be happy! Thats what counts:

Goldyxxx:)

[revolutionary_jam]

i would be up for it but i stay in scotland

[thomascovenant]

Hi Blah.Only just got the invite, I don`t come here very often any more.

My answer, I`m afraid, has to be in the negative.
I`ll explain;
There are a couple of reasons for combining resources like you suggest but I can think of a shitload of reasons to give it the swerve.Firstly, I could never join a group who`s ideals I don`t fully believe in and there is such a diversity on views here that we`d never agree on enough details to get anything done.
I could never follow a party line.
This looks like the birth of a possible political entity and as we all know (or should by now) these monsters are all about shifting power.Usually towards themselves.I don`t want to become the thing I hate.
I get angry when I see people walking around with banners as this is no more than a distraction.It ties "activists" up in pointless exercises.In the last few years we have seen some of the most infuriating redirection of attention away from protests ever.(Remember when bush came?and rice?)
I don`t mean to come across as a cynic but I`m human and I`m fickle and unpredictable and unreliable and to be honest with you, you wouldn`t want me anyway.
Good Luck.
TC

[blah]

An anti-illuminati party wouldnt neccessarily be political. Do you not believe that in groups things can be achieved though? To make changes. I just think there should be more good people being actively involved in creating a world that is not dictated by NWO and the players.
How can good people make a difference if everyones afraid to join resources?..
Anyway, as you wish.
Kay

[gold]

An anti-illuminati party wouldnt neccessarily be political. Do you not believe that in groups things can be achieved though? To make changes. I just think there should be more good people being actively involved in creating a world that is not dictated by NWO and the players.
How can good people make a difference if everyones afraid to join resources?..
Anyway, as you wish.
Kay

OK! Lets get on with it! stop the bull!

[ianw]

I cannot say much about this. Just say if you would be willing to join all, please. Its important that you do. This is not a discussion this is an appeal to all those who would like to become involved. So please say if you would be serious in wanting to join.

Yes Anarchists means those who cannot be ruled.

IM an ANarchIst i donT wana BE led=ruled Idont waNA leaD=rule WHere WOUld I fit INthen?? a MAIZE ing SHeer BLooDY MAAADness!!

[tracker]

Anarchists?

It doesnt sound good to me either .

None of us here want war ,

we want peice !

peice can only be achieved through peicefull democratic ways .

This stuff sounds like some one who is trying to infultrate David ickes forum testing any of us who may want to commit harm on others etc etc etc .

Ive just seen a vid on david telling some pro bloke in psychiatry to get lost , could this be part of the other guys ajender , to see if any of us here are unstable ?

maybe .

yet im not saying that is so , i just cant help but think the timing isnt right and is uncanny .

meees smells a rat .but thats my opinion and mine alone , for now .