Belief in power

[Anders Lindman]

Somehow I have come to suspect that the belief in external power has become overly hyped. The ruling elite, government, media, rich people, famous people, experts, yes they do have power but only on a material level. The material level is of course important, but it is only half of reality.

If we only follow external, material power, then we will indeed become powerless when it comes to inner, personal power.

Instead of giving material power 100% of your attention, give it only 50% of your attention and use the other 50% for your inner power.

[adimon]

Excellent post. Any thoughts on how you would go about nullifying the material power TPTB hold?

[Anders Lindman]

Excellent post. Any thoughts on how you would go about nullifying the material power TPTB hold?

My idea was that we keep on fighting the power pyramid as usual, but that we don't spend all our energy on external things and events because that's exactly how the PTB can manipulate us.

Notice how media, advertisement, experts, the entertainment industry, health care, religions, personal relationships etc always try to take command over our thoughts. If we don't watch out, that can rob 100% of our power away.

[adimon]

So you mean a revolution?

e.g. stop our non-essential jobs, hobbies, holidays etc and march on the pyramid?

[Anders Lindman]

So you mean a revolution?

e.g. stop our non-essential jobs, hobbies, holidays etc and march on the pyramid?

More like an inner evolution. We are so easily pulled around by the nose by external events in our lives that we lose our individual sovereignty and become puppets of the system.

And to fight more efficiently by gathering knowledge so that we get an understanding of the whole picture or else there is a grave risk that we are mislead.

[adimon]

But ultimately, how will you aim to take the material power from them, even if you have say 50% of the population with you?

No revolution has ever been successful without force. I can't imagine how it would be possible without force. Where is the force going to come from? A paramilitary truthist group armed and trained with Colt rifles? Unlikely.

But from your last post, it sounds like you believe REFORM is more likely and desirable than REVOLUTION.

If you do, then I agree with you. Reformation could easily take away material power, by diverting it. :)

[Anders Lindman]

But ultimately, how will you aim to take the material power from them, even if you have say 50% of the population with you?

No revolution has ever been successful without force. I can't imagine how it would be possible without force. Where is the force going to come from? A paramilitary truthist group armed and trained with Colt rifles? Unlikely.

But from your last post, it sounds like you believe REFORM is more likely and desirable than REVOLUTION.

If you do, then I agree with you. Reformation could easily take away material power, by diverting it. :)

One idea is to expose more and more of the tricks they use to manipulate the masses, such as the elite manufacturing wars to enhance their power and control, red flag operations, wag-the-dog media stunts and so on.

I think that is a very efficient way of fighting the power pyramid.

And to do more and more dot-connecting a la David Icke. To learn how seemingly separate events, laws and media articles are connected.

And on a personal level look for new paths in life that do not follow the old power-over, fear and control patterns.

[abrilliantone]

Somehow I have come to suspect that the belief in external power has become overly hyped. The ruling elite, government, media, rich people, famous people, experts, yes they do have power but only on a material level. The material level is of course important, but it is only half of reality.

If we only follow external, material power, then we will indeed become powerless when it comes to inner, personal power.

Instead of giving material power 100% of your attention, give it only 50% of your attention and use the other 50% for your inner power.

or how about giving 0% to material power and a 100% to your inner power. words I myself need to abide by :)

[Anders Lindman]

or how about giving 0% to material power and a 100% to your inner power. words I myself need to abide by :)

The system, the power pyramid, has managed to hijack people's emotions. The more crappy we feel, the more power it gives the system. So the system actually feeds on people feeling like shit.

It's time to take that emotional power back. 100% inner power is fine, if that power is in balance with the external world. A balance where one is not afraid of the system, not having to wall oneself off from it, to struggle against it, but rather become fully integrated with it.

[adimon]

And to do more and more dot-connecting a la David Icke. To learn how seemingly separate events, laws and media articles are connected.

David's dot connecting is sketchy IMO. He doesn't support his research well enough.

And on a personal level look for new paths in life that do not follow the old power-over, fear and control patterns.

This I totally agree with. Right on Anders!

or how about giving 0% to material power and a 100% to your inner power. words I myself need to abide by :)

Care to expand, abrilliantone?

[kblood]

I for one only keep focus on the material on a minimum. I do not really care about politics or what is happening to celebrities. I watch movies, play games and browse the Internet. Trying to find as many sources of alternative information as possible.

So when it comes to politics and celebrities I sometimes get news, but only because it is thrown in my face. I do not watch TV, keep track of news sites that arent related to my nerdy life (newz.dk covers most newz I need, and then this forum), other than this I only watch for game news.

I do not find living life like this being a problem. My friends and coworkers all play games or enjoy other computer related stuff as well. I guess amnesty is also a source of information, but I usually just put funds their way, without looking into what it is really being used for. I guess it might not get used well, but probably for better things than the computer games or new hardware I might spend it on :rolleyes:

[Anders Lindman]

David's dot connecting is sketchy IMO. He doesn't support his research well enough.


But David's massive research is a good start if one wants to learn about the things not told in schools or in mainstream media. It would take a long time to do all that kind of research oneself.

Then one has to start doing dot-connecting oneself. It's a messy jungle of information out there so I take the lazy approach and just follow a few topics and then skip to other topics. And then feel if there is some things that connect. And in order to not get stuck one has to plant seeds of doubt now and then into one's mind. :D

[abrilliantone]

It's time to take that emotional power back. 100% inner power is fine, if that power is in balance with the external world. A balance where one is not afraid of the system, not having to wall oneself off from it, to struggle against it, but rather become fully integrated with it.
I totally agree with you on that one Anders Lindman :)

[Anders Lindman]

I totally agree with you on that one Anders Lindman :)

I have found that in order to take emotional power back I have to guard myself when reading news articles etc. For example, there is a fear-pull in most news stories. Like a big vampire, the system tries to suck the emotional energy away from me. Since all people have been programmed by the system, all people also become emotional vampires working for system. And as long as I myself remain with low emotional energy I am myself also a vampire. :D

[Anders Lindman]

I for one only keep focus on the material on a minimum. I do not really care about politics or what is happening to celebrities. I watch movies, play games and browse the Internet. Trying to find as many sources of alternative information as possible.

So when it comes to politics and celebrities I sometimes get news, but only because it is thrown in my face. I do not watch TV, keep track of news sites that arent related to my nerdy life (newz.dk covers most newz I need, and then this forum), other than this I only watch for game news.

I do not find living life like this being a problem. My friends and coworkers all play games or enjoy other computer related stuff as well. I guess amnesty is also a source of information, but I usually just put funds their way, without looking into what it is really being used for. I guess it might not get used well, but probably for better things than the computer games or new hardware I might spend it on :rolleyes:

Games and the Internet are also part of the material. There is a constant pull on us away from our inner power to external stuff. That pull is actually enormous.

The problem is how to reduce that pull. The mind has been thoroughly trained to HATE reducing that pull. The more the system pulls our emotions away, the more empty and horrible we feel inside.

By reducing the pull from external things one's inner power should increase. But maybe that has to be done in small steps since doing that too fast would lead to increased suffering. For example if instead of playing a video game or watching a movie one would sit and do nothing, the mind would become bored to death within a few minutes. :D Some may think that doing meditation for example would be an alternative, but meditation too is something to DO. A better approach is I believe to continue to do all external stuff like playing video games or surf the Web but to be watchful of one's own inner emotional field. To guard and monitor one's inner emotional field so to speak.

[abrilliantone]

Care to expand, abrilliantone?

Instead of running yourself crazy worrying about the external world ( I know it's hard not too it's all we know ) concentrate on the internal world that is truly you. All that we could possibly need and want lie within us. The true nature of reality is that WE create it and it'll take for us to look internally to know that.

[Anders Lindman]

The human body consists of some 100 trillion cells. The human mind, with its center in the brain is a much higher order than the individual cells.

The problem is that the system has trained the mind, has plugged in to the human mind and is sucking the living life out of the body. Like a battery. I'm not a battery! :mad:

The mind has become a dictator over the body and a slave to the system. Not a very pleasant combination.

The 100 trillion cells making up the body form a community and when that community is run by a dictator up in the head who serves the system, then that community will not work very well.

Just as the power pyramid in the world is a nasty oppressive force, so is the human mind in relation to the body, for the mind is very much a result/reflection of the society that has formed it.

In society we need to bring the power to the individual. In our body we need to bring the power to the cells. As above so below.

How? How to bring ORDER to the house? How to bring the body into a well-functioning community? The mind has to start to listen more to the inner feelings of the body, to start to listen to the cells within the body, and not only focus on external things.

[abrilliantone]

The human body consists of some 100 trillion cells. The human mind, with its center in the brain is a much higher order than the individual cells.

The problem is that the system has trained the mind, has plugged in to the human mind and is sucking the living life out of the body. Like a battery. I'm not a battery! :mad:

The mind has become a dictator over the body and a slave to the system. Not a very pleasant combination.

The 100 trillion cells making up the body form a community and when that community is run by a dictator up in the head who serves the system, then that community will not work very well.

Just as the power pyramid in the world is a nasty oppressive force, so is the human mind in relation to the body, for the mind is very much a result/reflection of the society that has formed it.

In society we need to bring the power to the individual. In our body we need to bring the power to the cells. As above so below.

How? How to bring ORDER to the house? How to bring the body into a well-functioning community? The mind has to start to listen more to the inner feelings of the body, to start to listen to the cells within the body, and not only focus on external things.

right on bro

[mightiswrong]

Stilling the mind and actually stopping the flow of thoughts even for a short time can have an amazing effect. Realising that all these thoughts are coming from the external, from the past one can then let go of these thoughts and become still. The scilence is where the power is.

[abrilliantone]

Stilling the mind and actually stopping the flow of thoughts even for a short time can have an amazing effect. Realising that all these thoughts are coming from the external, from the past one can then let go of these thoughts and become still. The scilence is where the power is.

exactly, well put mightiswrong ;):D:):cool:

[Anders Lindman]

Stilling the mind and actually stopping the flow of thoughts even for a short time can have an amazing effect. Realising that all these thoughts are coming from the external, from the past one can then let go of these thoughts and become still. The scilence is where the power is.

That's right. I hadn't thought about it like that, but thoughts are almost entirely based on past memories. Hmm...

It would be a smart idea to monitor all thoughts to make sure they don't become too dominating. The 100 trillion living cells in the body must become more alive, and they can't do that if the mind with its chewing on past memories takes all the energy.

The cells in the body must be given a healthy environment, and for that the toxicity of the mind must be cleansed away.

[king]

Somehow I have come to suspect that the belief in external power has become overly hyped. The ruling elite, government, media, rich people, famous people, experts, yes they do have power but only on a material level. The material level is of course important, but it is only half of reality.

If we only follow external, material power, then we will indeed become powerless when it comes to inner, personal power.

Instead of giving material power 100% of your attention, give it only 50% of your attention and use the other 50% for your inner power.

good point

why not give use spiritual power to the max, as much as you can for a given situation? that would work even better.

[Anders Lindman]

good point

why not give use spiritual power to the max, as much as you can for a given situation? that would work even better.

I hesitate to use the word 'spiritual' because then the mind easily spins off on a tangent and gets caught in all kinds of weird new agie ideas.

The word consciousness is better imo because the mind cannot so easily create ideas around that.

When I focus my awareness into the body my cells are telling me: "Who is that friggin' tyrant up there in the head?! He is trying to strangle us to death!" :D

[Anders Lindman]

The mind is like the government of the body. The cells' environment is very much dictated by the mind's beliefs. If the mind has the belief of a future with improvements and sustainability then that promotes a healthy environment for the cells, i.e. a healthy body.

What do you think will happen if the government has exactly the opposite belief system: that the body will age, deteriorate and then die? That will not lead to a very encouraging environment for the tiny cells, now will it?

[lydia78]

The system, the power pyramid, has managed to hijack people's emotions. The more crappy we feel, the more power it gives the system. So the system actually feeds on people feeling like shit.

It's time to take that emotional power back. 100% inner power is fine, if that power is in balance with the external world. A balance where one is not afraid of the system, not having to wall oneself off from it, to struggle against it, but rather become fully integrated with it.

I agree with what you say here, they thrive on negative or blocked energy least from us, keeps us distracted.
But what of mastering the emotions?
For instance according to psychology we have the primary/biological emotions of: Happiness, disguist, suprise, sadness, fear and anger, from the evolutionary perspective. Secondary emotions are classed as anything else, that which is socially constructed for us through experience/schemas/life scripts etc. this is where the majority of our conditioning happens to keep us in bi-polar mode or flatlining to ampathy.

Now I know alot of folk experience their emotions as 'happening to them' but what if we could reprograme ourselves of our socially constructed/secondary emotions through the higher self, you know, transmute them so we don't automatically leap in the negative arena whenever something 'happens to us'?
What if before we emotionally react (affect) we stop and logically remind ourselves that this is where 'they' play with our energy systems?

Emotions and psychosomatic illness have burdened us for far to long, nervous dispositions and fractured hearts have long helped usher in the need for more 'security' from the elite bastards, so if we really want to be free from their entrapment of our emotional body then it is up to us individually and collectively to do the hard work and master the emotional self.

[kblood]

Games and the Internet are also part of the material. There is a constant pull on us away from our inner power to external stuff. That pull is actually enormous.

The problem is how to reduce that pull. The mind has been thoroughly trained to HATE reducing that pull. The more the system pulls our emotions away, the more empty and horrible we feel inside.

By reducing the pull from external things one's inner power should increase. But maybe that has to be done in small steps since doing that too fast would lead to increased suffering. For example if instead of playing a video game or watching a movie one would sit and do nothing, the mind would become bored to death within a few minutes. :D Some may think that doing meditation for example would be an alternative, but meditation too is something to DO. A better approach is I believe to continue to do all external stuff like playing video games or surf the Web but to be watchful of one's own inner emotional field. To guard and monitor one's inner emotional field so to speak.

I agree on this, this is all mostly to bide my time. I have been very busy learning about controlling my emotional field, looking into the spiritual and I still keep at least a bit watchfull about keeping a balance there still. I am mostly doing it to try out what I learned while exploring my spiritual side, by focus on the present, which I have a hard time doing while focusing on the spiritual. The spiritual side is either not focusing on time at all, or too aware about past, present and future. I am for the time being satisfied with what I have come to believe, and simply try waiting and trying out this living in the present, and keep within my 5 senses, unless I am forced to do otherwise.

Still I am at the same time looking for new ways to explorer my spirituality, but I will try finding others and ways to meet them to do this. After having worked for a while and saved up some money, I am hoping to go to England, and see who I can get to meet there.

[Anders Lindman]

Now I know alot of folk experience their emotions as 'happening to them' but what if we could reprograme ourselves of our socially constructed/secondary emotions through the higher self, you know, transmute them so we don't automatically leap in the negative arena whenever something 'happens to us'?
What if before we emotionally react (affect) we stop and logically remind ourselves that this is where 'they' play with our energy systems?


I don't think the logical mind is fast enough. Logic can probably be used to train the mind, just as a piano player trains to play the piano.

Emotions are like signals. They tell us the state of our body. The mind thinks it knows so much but why then all these alarm signals in the form of negative emotions?

The mind is so sure about its own beliefs. It is very sure even about its own uncertainty!

A government should listen to what is actually going on in society rather than to just add more and more rules and controls. The same with the mind. It must start to learn how to listen to emotional signals.

The mind is afraid of entering into a state of total confusion or in a state of panic. And it's probably a wise idea not to lose one's rational ability. Yet it is a clear evidence to me that the mind is not really working well when our emotions are overly crappy.

One way of reprogramming the mind is to put seeds of doubt into it. Like: "Can I really be sure that my beliefs are correct? Can I really be absolutely sure that my beliefs are correct?" That is similar to Byron Katie's program called 'The Work'.

[Anders Lindman]

I have been very busy learning about controlling my emotional field, looking into the spiritual and I still keep at least a bit watchfull about keeping a balance there still.

I have noticed that trying to control the emotional field can be a trap. The mind is then still running with its old 'software' and with that dictator software (which is mostly a result of society) we try to control our emotions. For real change we must let our emotions reprogram the mind to some degree. In one way emotions are more stupid than the rational mind, but in another sense emotions carry very deep wisdom that the mind doesn't understand. A kind of integration between the emotional field and the thinking mind is needed I believe.