RON PAUL and your views...

[hutanic]

..ok. I see a lot hipe going on around whole Ron Paul thing.

Gonna share some of my views and concerns over this thing and would like your opinions of this whole situation.

1st. The man him self.

When i first saw him i told it is wonderful that someone alike that came out to speak and nice to see honest candidate. Then i caught up on news clip where he denied that 9/11 was inside job. Honestly i don't see how could anyone who investigated this subject see 9/11 as work of some terrorist group, and i do believe a person like Ron would put quite a lot time into it. Now if we take he did that and saw that 911 couldnt be done by some Al Qaida why does he lie? And if your view is that it is "smart" thing to do to go ahead. Sorry but i
have to tell you truth has nothing to do with lies, even "white" lies or ones with "good intentions". Then comes the hand sign thing he did few times. Could be just mistake or "i love you" stuff for deaf but it could also be NWO little satanic hand signal.

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2nd. Where is all this going.

Ok for sake of argument lets say that guy is honest and has good intentions i honestly don't know. Then ask your self where is all this leading towards. Ron Paul revolution? You know revolutions end in blood being spill usually? What you think is gonna happen when most popular guy in presidential race gets robed of presidency? A revolution?

All who investigated all this NWO and conspiracy side of story for some time know that people who intend to bring this whole thing about expect uprising, it is only natural unfolding of events. So do you not think that they thought of ways to counter it? Or just bather say make there own controlled revolution, with results they intend to get, like they did trough out the history?

As most if not all of us here know whole "war on terror" deal was to call everyday folks terrorists at the end. A revolution would give them that "right", cause they could then point finger and say "Here you see this terrorist blow stuff, destroy and spread terror".

3rd ..and final.

Are you gonna allow your self to get caught up in there game? For which others placed pawns not you? Or for once shall you use your own will to do things as you see then correct not others, what ever that may be.

We all played this game for to long, and many are tired of it, i say if it is to be changed let it be changed by our own terms individually and not by playing there same old system just with different rules hoping for "new" outcome.

[chris]

About your first point...Just look at the format of where the anchor tries to trap Ron and tie him with 9/11 conspiracy theories. These have been demonised for years and would have destroyed his candidacy. He has warned against a new gulf of tonkein from Iran meaning false flag operation on behalf of the US to blame on Iran. He constantly talks about the fed which is where his base is. There are two types of truthers, 9/11 conspiracy thoerists and financial ones and Ron Paul comes from the latter. Yet he makes a great bridge between the two.

As for speaking the truth all the time, this is stupid. Why hinder yourself while the PTB are lying constantly. He almost got kicked out of the debates for saying the reason of occupation created the base of the cause for 9/11, what would you think have happened if he said '9/11 was an inside job?'

He even said that there are certain things that surround 9/11 were covered up. What more can you ask from a congressman? Ron Paul really is extremely far out, if you look back at 1988 you will see he was much more like Alex Jones but found a great deal of resistance and now he's able to be in a position to where he can dodge the critiques and make them look foolish while gaining more popularity.

If he gets in, then it's game over. Why kill your chances at your first hurdle?

Ron Paul is the only person in the world in the position to do this and so for him the rules are slightly different. He's got 30 years of consistant voting for freedom yet people think they are way smarter than him because he doesn't want to let himself get pinned down.

[chris]

Your second point is unreasonable because the Internet is creating the revolution. Of course we will be called terrorists and anarchists but this is THEM not us, they will draw first blood and already have and if they don't put their hands up and give in, there will be a revolution in some way or another. Ron Paul actually is the only person who could make the revolution as painless as possible.

Your third point is more of a romantic philosophy. Of course in an ideal world but we don't have time for it and must make decisions now, we must learn to discern not only the bad out the good but also the good out of the bad.

[hutanic]

Chris

Just look at the format of where the anchor tries to trap Ron and tie him with 9/11 conspiracy theories.

So it is ok to to make a lie if one sees is to be for the good cause?

As for speaking the truth all the time, this is stupid.

Ok you answered that here. let me ask you this. Imagine world where not single person told lie ever. Not even slightest one, like saying your jeans are black whine they are blue. Could in such world possibly an "elite" pop out that would lie and deceive its population. Plus every deed we do has its consequence, i for one made promise to my self not to make even slightest lie ever again

If he gets in, then it's game over.

I already said this in first post but will repeat. Do you believe that in THERE game with THERE rules 1 man coming in will make it all somehow good and correct all of a sudden?

Ron Paul is the only person in the world in the position to do this and so for him the rules are slightly different

We all live in same world with same laws. Talking of real laws not one made by man.

. He's got 30 years of consistant voting for freedom yet people think they are way smarter than him because he doesn't want to let himself get pinned down.

I am not denying all things he did correct and am aware if it but rather looking at things that don't fit. And yea i consider anyone foolish who think that doing something wrong for right cause it OK.

[hutanic]

To your other posts. Ok you chose to play the game. I do wish you good luck in it. I am trying to make my own.

[adimon]

About your first point...Just look at the format of where the anchor tries to trap Ron and tie him with 9/11 conspiracy theories. These have been demonised for years and would have destroyed his candidacy. He has warned against a new gulf of tonkein from Iran meaning false flag operation on behalf of the US to blame on Iran. He constantly talks about the fed which is where his base is. There are two types of truthers, 9/11 conspiracy thoerists and financial ones and Ron Paul comes from the latter. Yet he makes a great bridge between the two.

As for speaking the truth all the time, this is stupid. Why hinder yourself while the PTB are lying constantly. He almost got kicked out of the debates for saying the reason of occupation created the base of the cause for 9/11, what would you think have happened if he said '9/11 was an inside job?'

He even said that there are certain things that surround 9/11 were covered up. What more can you ask from a congressman? Ron Paul really is extremely far out, if you look back at 1988 you will see he was much more like Alex Jones but found a great deal of resistance and now he's able to be in a position to where he can dodge the critiques and make them look foolish while gaining more popularity.

If he gets in, then it's game over. Why kill your chances at your first hurdle?

Ron Paul is the only person in the world in the position to do this and so for him the rules are slightly different. He's got 30 years of consistant voting for freedom yet people think they are way smarter than him because he doesn't want to let himself get pinned down.

Very well said, Chris. :)

Another point for all of you to consider. Despite his efforts, Ron Paul is very unlikely to win the primary.

Sometimes instead of voting for the guy you agree 90% with who has a 20% chance of winning, you vote for the guy you agree 60% with because he has a 60% chance of winning, know what I mean.

Kucinich and Paul have very little chance.

If Iraq is such a big stumbling block to your voting decision then I suggest you abstain. Otherwise think about voting for a moderate Republican like Hunter or McCain.

I implore all US voters on this forum NOT to vote for Billary, under any circumstances. She will lead your country down the drain, and shockwaves of that will reach far-flung shores.

[niftygifter]

My thoughts are mixed. On the surface he seems OK but the 911 stuff, well there are the doubts:cool:

One thing that keeps popping up though, just as everything is getting really grim for America, here comes someone right out of the blue, perfect in every sense to help get them out of the rut they are all in.

Timing and coincidence are just too, well coincidental for me:rolleyes:

Cautious optimism.


Nifty:D

[chris]

Ok you answered that here. let me ask you this. Imagine world where not single person told lie ever. Not even slightest one, like saying your jeans are black whine they are blue. Could in such world possibly an "elite" pop out that would lie and deceive its population.

Look, we are not enlightened, we are still very stupid. Some of us do what we can where we see results occur, I’m not saying it’s perfect but it’s better than being all enlightened regarding important issues (enlightened meaning not taking part) but being your same old self when it comes to sloppy eating habits, laziness, motivation and being stressed out in general. These are the internal things that really do change your life should you choose to do them but unless you have done these for a very long time and you’ve managed to recover huge portions of your subconscious, don’t even talk about renouncing important things like exposing the lies of the NWO. It is a bit like the renounced Hindu that constantly buys himself stuff but when someone else buys him a gift, he gets extremely pissed off with them to prove he is renounced.

If we are not going to participate in this reality then make your start with the unimportant things like junk food, drugs and TV and only when we’re way up there we should think about renouncing our care for liberty and political freedom. I know David Icke is telling everyone different in his actions and words.


Plus every deed we do has its consequence, i for one made promise to my self not to make even slightest lie ever again

I believe you will break that promise many times. It is easy to tell the truth when it is good news but imagine trying to tell the truth to someone you love that is very vulnerable and is seeking your approval for self-gratification. This is hard to do and usually ends up with a lot more truth coming back your way. I’m sure you won’t last very long, yet I do believe it is for the best. However, just because you take your oath of truthfulness I don’t know why you must seek other people to do it right when they are about to slit the throat of the NWO, it is a bit like the nameless hero who decided to spare the Emperor of Chinas life after killing three of his outlaw friends in order to win the kings approval. Stuuupid mother fucker.



I already said this in first post but will repeat. Do you believe that in THERE game with THERE rules 1 man coming in will make it all somehow good and correct all of a sudden?

I always have to explain this on every Ron Paul post I make because everyone asks me this but no one seems to catch on. This isn’t about Ron Paul…Ron Paul is just the guy that stands there pointing the finger while the whole of America can see the blatant bias of the Mainstream Media. Exposing the Mainstream Media is the key to all of this and because Ron Paul is jumping in the spotlight with a flawless message and a flawless voting record, everyone who knows his message will agree that he is the one in a duly run democratic process that he should easily be the president, yet they see the mainstream media trying to bury him at every step. This will be the catylist to destroy the NWO and being quite close to the grassroots of his campaign, I am seeing people wake up across the board. So yes, we are taking advantage of their system and their rules just like they have taken advantage of our trust and goodwill.

The most effective way to fight the NWO will be multilayered. Just like an onion, we will work with ourselves and be the best we can be but we should also outreach past ourselves and communicate and network and not be brainwashed by all this Zen Buddhist shit that we are not really here and so there’s no point to fighting. Even Zen Buddhism doesn't teach this, they say it is foolish to not act because while your heart is beating, you are constantly acting. It is only the newage quantum psychobabble which tries to manipulate people into passitivity.



We all live in same world with same laws. Talking of real laws not one made by man.

I am not denying all things he did correct and am aware if it but rather looking at things that don't fit. And yea i consider anyone foolish who think that doing something wrong for right cause it OK.

To make the system look convincing, they must give an illusion of openness and sometimes there are very serious flaws with their system and we can take advantage of this very serious flaw in their armour now or we can pretend we are all ascending on cloud 9 and miss it forever.

To your other posts. Ok you chose to play the game. I do wish you good luck in it. I am trying to make my own.

Just look at my posts in the meditation forum and in the health forum, I have came to conspiracies through meditation not the other way around. I have been meditating almost all my life, consuming spagyria for years and done pretty much everything from rituals and fasting to psychedelics and what I’ve learned most is that at a very base level you have no option but to play their game, as the game will catch up with you sooner or later. The only choice you have is are you going to be a good player or not.

[chris]

Very well said, Chris. :)

Another point for all of you to consider. Despite his efforts, Ron Paul is very unlikely to win the primary.

Sometimes instead of voting for the guy you agree 90% with who has a 20% chance of winning, you vote for the guy you agree 60% with because he has a 60% chance of winning, know what I mean.

Kucinich and Paul have very little chance.

I don't find this much of a problem. There is so much going on in the campaign, so many non voters (who are never polled) becoming voters, so many people joining the republican party that in a fair election Ron Paul should breeze the primaries.

However, I do fear the polls may be rigged...We have even made plans for this also, people are doing independant exit polls (which infuriated the Iowa straw poll) and they are making sure they will be voting on paper ballots not in machines...

Still you are right, the primaries are the most important thing and I really hope we do well...Still I think the tipping point has already happened, so many people have woken up to the left/right paradigm that it is only a matter of time before the NWO will meet such resistance that they will not be able to continue their programs without moving into the next phase. If Ron Paul does do well in the primaries however, this will be just the most craziest thing ever. Who knows what will happen next...Really good stuff will come of it.

[hutanic]

Nice to see ego boosted by pride prevailed again and instead of arguing over topic i started which was Ron Paul it once again comes down to personal attacks. You were not rude but still let me start..

Look, we are not enlightened, we are still very stupid. Some of us do what we can where we see results occur, I’m not saying it’s perfect but it’s better than being all enlightened regarding important issues (enlightened meaning not taking part) but being your same old self when it comes to sloppy eating habits, laziness, motivation and being stressed out in general. These are the internal things that really do change your life should you choose to do them but unless you have done these for a very long time and you’ve managed to recover huge portions of your subconscious, don’t even talk about renouncing important things like exposing the lies of the NWO. It is a bit like the renounced Hindu that constantly buys himself stuff but when someone else buys him a gift, he gets extremely pissed off with them to prove he is renounced. If we are not going to participate in this reality then make your start with the unimportant things like junk food, drugs and TV and only when we’re way up there we should think about renouncing our care for liberty and political freedom. I know David Icke is telling everyone different in his actions and words.


Don't say we cause you and me are not one, and basing your conclusion on that view is rather idiotic as i will show you now. Enlightenment is something i achieved at one period of my life activated my brain to its full and realized many great things before coming back to this norm. Consider your self stupid all you want but once again don't put all in same bracket cause you don't even know how i look like let alone my name or my experiences, knowledge (or lack of it) beliefs and so on.

Then you equate enlightenment to being sloppy, lazy and call me out for eating junk food. Well if you really wanna know i get my energy from sun did few periods of 15 days with out food. One which was 20-25 (wasn't taking exact count) then came back to eating cause it was my will, since i got all energy i needed i could easily stayed on fasting.I am ready to give it one more go. Once again you attacking me with out even knowing a slightest thing about me.

I believe you will break that promise many times. It is easy to tell the truth when it is good news but imagine trying to tell the truth to someone you love that is very vulnerable and is seeking your approval for self-gratification. This is hard to do and usually ends up with a lot more truth coming back your way. I’m sure you won’t last very long, yet I do believe it is for the best. However, just because you take your oath of truthfulness I don’t know why you must seek other people to do it right when they are about to slit the throat of the NWO, it is a bit like the nameless hero who decided to spare the Emperor of Chinas life after killing three of his outlaw friends in order to win the kings approval. Stuuupid mother fucker.

Believe what you will about my decisions with lies time shall reveal how it will be no point arguing over that. Well if truth is gonna "hurt" someone that is only cause of his own entanglement with illusion. I wouldn't care how others took it as long as i did correct thing and they asked for it. No you are right i don't have right to seek others to do it but truth is only opposition to lie and this can only be won by doing opposite from lie not just take out fixed or lesser version of it. As far as NWO goes i am sure it will go down. But since you and so many are falling again to same game, i believe it is only matter of time before true controllers make play on human nature to bring things are they are now.

Nice to be a bit like "Stuuupid mother fucker"

I always have to explain this on every Ron Paul post I make because everyone asks me this but no one seems to catch on. This isn’t about Ron Paul…Ron Paul is just the guy that stands there pointing the finger while the whole of America can see the blatant bias of the Mainstream Media. Exposing the Mainstream Media is the key to all of this and because Ron Paul is jumping in the spotlight with a flawless message and a flawless voting record, everyone who knows his message will agree that he is the one in a duly run democratic process that he should easily be the president, yet they see the mainstream media trying to bury him at every step. This will be the catylist to destroy the NWO and being quite close to the grassroots of his campaign, I am seeing people wake up across the board. So yes, we are taking advantage of their system and their rules just like they have taken advantage of our trust and goodwill.

The most effective way to fight the NWO will be multilayered. Just like an onion, we will work with ourselves and be the best we can be but we should also outreach past ourselves and communicate and network and not be brainwashed by all this Zen Buddhist shit that we are not really here and so there’s no point to fighting. Even Zen Buddhism doesn't teach this, they say it is foolish to not act because while your heart is beating, you are constantly acting. It is only the newage quantum psychobabble which tries to manipulate people into passitivity.


Learn to read or bather say observe. I told you to pick your game or should i say your fight not one others put for you. No i agree it is not about Ron, it is about revolution and its (i believe) planed consequence. And i consider Zen Buddhism to be bunch of garbage, so great job figuring what my views are once again with out even asking.

Just look at my posts in the meditation forum and in the health forum, I have came to conspiracies through meditation not the other way around. I have been meditating almost all my life, consuming spagyria for years and done pretty much everything from rituals and fasting to psychedelics and what I’ve learned most is that at a very base level you have no option but to play their game, as the game will catch up with you sooner or later. The only choice you have is are you going to be a good player or not.


Good for you. But since you got almost no idea what my experiences are, how and why i got in conspiracy arena, or what future brings you are in no position to tell me what will or wont catch up with me.



This already got to personal level so i am backing off i shared some of my views with you and instead of rather debating Ron Paul this got out of hand. Said all i got to say. bye

[chris]

Nice to see ego boosted by pride prevailed again and instead of arguing over topic i started which was Ron Paul it once again comes down to personal attacks. You were not rude but still let me start.

lol, okay…I wasn’t trying to post anything offensive, you must be reading it in a strange tone of voice…I am sorry if I caused offence.



Don't say we cause you and me are not one, and basing your conclusion on that view is rather idiotic as i will show you now. Enlightenment is something i achieved at one period of my life activated my brain to its full and realized many great things before coming back to this norm. Consider your self stupid all you want but once again don't put all in same bracket cause you don't even know how i look like let alone my name or my experiences, knowledge (or lack of it) beliefs and so on.

LOL. If you experienced enlightenment this is nothing major. Many people have experienced many levels of Dhayana, including many scientists and it is well documented. What I said was that you aren’t enlightened meaning your not like that 100% of the time so you have just proved my point. You are not above it all, you are far from it, just like the rest of us.

Then you equate enlightenment to being sloppy, lazy and call me out for eating junk food. Well if you really wanna know i get my energy from sun did few periods of 15 days with out food. One which was 20-25 (wasn't taking exact count) then came back to eating cause it was my will, since i got all energy i needed i could easily stayed on fasting.I am ready to give it one more go. Once again you attacking me with out even knowing a slightest thing about me.

I am not calling YOU out for eating junk food specifically, I am saying that you’re not perfect; we still each have our hang-ups so we should help those before we start to renounce important things like participation in real world activities, we should work on renouncing our little quirks. Unless your perfect of course.

Good for you doing that fast, perhaps you experienced your enlightened experience after re-establishing your eating. This is what happens to me after my fasts, that is why I do it regularly; it’s a hell of a trip.

Learn to read or bather say observe. I told you to pick your game or should i say your fight not one others put for you. No i agree it is not about Ron, it is about revolution and its (i believe) planed consequence. And i consider Zen Buddhism to be bunch of garbage, so great job figuring what my views are once again with out even asking.

lol, man you are taking this so seriously…I say again, I am sorry!!! Please, calm down. The ron paulrevolution is not planned and even if it is, they are doing a very good job of exposing otherwise ignorant Americans to the false left/right paradigm so I wouldn’t call doing that a very good idea.

Please don’t take things so literally. I was saying the mentally you present reminds me of these things. I am not saying you’re a devout Zen Buddhist…I’m not even interested in what you do.

Good for you. But since you got almost no idea what my experiences are, how and why i got in conspiracy arena, or what future brings you are in no position to tell me what will or wont catch up with me.

Again I am sorry…I literally have this exact conversation with people everyday on here and they all come from the same viewpoint and literally have no idea what they are talking about. I am glad you are experienced and I don’t doubt your experiences one bit.



This already got to personal level so i am backing off i shared some of my views with you and instead of rather debating Ron Paul this got out of hand. Said all i got to say. bye

Well, you’ve not really addressed the point…All my position is, Ron Paul is quite a legit guy and he’s really opening a lot of peoples minds and I believe we must try to take full advantage of this short window of time because at worst we can show the bias of Mainstream Media.

[thetonic]

Chris - man youre still on point! I know it gets annoying explaining to people WHY Ron Paul is the only sensible choice... Conclusion = People are seriously being robbed of our wits, intuition , and common sense these days.. DONT STOP FIGHTING !;)

[hutanic]

Well, you’ve not really addressed the point…All my position is, Ron Paul is quite a legit guy and he’s really opening a lot of peoples minds and I believe we must try to take full advantage of this short window of time because at worst we can show the bias of Mainstream Media.

I stated my opinion on Ron Paul thing and consider that hope to take advantage is what will be manipulated. If i am wrong i would be glad i am cause it would mean finally there is some positive change with in society, but i just dont see it in this form.

Don't you find that alternative media is already now becoming Main stream?

As i see, its only matter of time before same trick is pulled and new media becomes established.

[lennart]

I stated my opinion on Ron Paul thing and consider that hope to take advantage is what will be manipulated. If i am wrong i would be glad i am cause it would mean finally there is some positive change with in society, but i just dont see it in this form.

Don't you find that alternative media is already now becoming Main stream?

As i see, its only matter of time before same trick is pulled and new media becomes established.

I think you do have a good point.

1. The handsign. Its there and he knows what it means so why the hell would he do that? Because they warn you right in your face! It,s what they always do. Look around you!

2. Ron paul says; 9/11 was absolutely not an inside job.

3. They openly ignoring him on Tv. Yes, that sounds weird maybe so let me explain it. A few examples; showing on tv he won a debate and then giving no attention to it. Thats weird. The establishment is attacking him but in the most weird way that makes him even more populair!

Think about what Icke says about the American revolution when they "won" there so-called "freedom". I think Icke is spot on there. You could think they are not so smart. You can think that offcourse.....but I am not so sure about that my friends!

I,ll admit that i,m not sure what to think about him. If i was living in the USA then i would vote for him because the rest is corrupt anyway! So if its not hurting you, why not?

[lennart]

here is more frome me about Ron Paul:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13069

[chris]

I stated my opinion on Ron Paul thing and consider that hope to take advantage is what will be manipulated. If i am wrong i would be glad i am cause it would mean finally there is some positive change with in society, but i just dont see it in this form.

Well I am not saying your wrong about the elite will try to take advantage of the situation, that is what they do. But this is not their Plan A, not by a long way…Why would they want this guy making their puppets look like complete fools while exposing really potent issues like the Federal Reserve; this just makes no strategic sense whatsoever.

Of course, I understand that in conspiracy land Ron Paul might dupe us so bad that we will give our freedom up to him but let’s be honest, that’s not going to happen.

Don't you find that alternative media is already now becoming Main stream?

Absolutely, they are constantly having bloggers interviewed on the news…I have seen reports from the BBC years ago that mainstream news was dying thanks to the internet. What the BBC doesn’t say is that they are loosing it to independent journalists, they keep saying that they are loosing it to people reading their newswebsites (lol).

As i see, its only matter of time before same trick is pulled and new media becomes established.

I think it’s really shook them in the last few months…The Ron Paul grassroots effort that I witnessed to be 100% grassroots which raised $4.3 million has really turned many peoples heads and now gambling911.com has predicted that they will make another 6million in one day on the sixteenth of December. If the internet isn’t taking over, it has done already. We can’t celebrate though, they are attacking it from within, not just by legislation and we need to understand the establishment still can wage wars with us by placing strategic trolls with moderation privileges. They have already been busted for this on Wikipedia, they got a high level best selling political author to be a troll and what was funny was that she had a really trashy name like “sluttywhore” and she was making the most immature flames ever, this is a bestselling author!

[chris]

I am usually a little harsh on this issue though because people come up with the excuse that they are above the 5 sense reality in order to not fight the NWO and this not only detracts from the efforts of people that are trying but it also sounds very condescending.

It sounds from our vantage point that they are smirking at our vain attempts to save our physical bodies because we are so stupid that we don't want to know the higher truths.

Many of us do but we are simply trying to buy ourselves more time to practice the good stuff.

The people looking down upon those caught up in our 5 sense reali'y think they are a minority of high intelligence amongst this forum, yet this view is held by at least 85% of the people. It is those that are trying to get change that are the minority and not only that, we are being labelled stupid for it.

Hunatic, I wrongly placed you among the detractors.

[thetonic]

I honestly dont see how the NWO expect to gain anything by allowing Ron Paul to restore constitutional order in this country.. At this point we are practically a fascist police state without blowing the final horn to have a martial law society.. This is a conspiracy thinker outthinking itself.. ITS A CONSPIRACY! Then again maybe Ron Paul is just satan in a sheep suit... Pshh! Ill take your Ron Paul T shirt if you dont want it

[chris]

I honestly dont see how the NWO expect to gain anything by allowing Ron Paul to restore constitutional order in this country.. At this point we are practically a fascist police state without blowing the final horn to have a martial law society.. This is a conspiracy thinker outthinking itself.. ITS A CONSPIRACY! Then again maybe Ron Paul is just satan in a sheep suit... Pshh! Ill take your Ron Paul T shirt if you dont want it

LOL, yes it's so obvious when you look at it logically but I think people fall in love with a conspiracy theory or they were so blown away by finding out about the NWO, they are still in the everyone's trying to kill us!!! mentality.

If Ron Paul really was against us then they've taken a play out of the great book of stupids. They were so close to winning yet they decide to completely expose themselves in order to make us look even stupider. Quite cocky but even if this is their plan, I will take advantage of it as much as possible.

Also people don't like being called gullible so they try to find the conspiracy theory in everything. Yet it takes discernment to find truth and you must not fear being duped again.

[lennart]

I honestly dont see how the NWO expect to gain anything by allowing Ron Paul to restore constitutional order in this country.. At this point we are practically a fascist police state without blowing the final horn to have a martial law society.. This is a conspiracy thinker outthinking itself.. ITS A CONSPIRACY! Then again maybe Ron Paul is just satan in a sheep suit... Pshh! Ill take your Ron Paul T shirt if you dont want it

I know it,s weird. I would like to clear it up for you but i can,t! I will even make it more weird:p

Just think about these movies that where brought to you by major illuminati companies the last years; V for Vendetta, man of vera, shooter, and some more! Why would they attack themselfs?

And now all the UFO-talks everywhere! Sorry if i made it even more weird for you! But in the end you have to look at it to find the answer.....i think!

[hutanic]

I am usually a little harsh on this issue though because people come up with the excuse that they are above the 5 sense reality in order to not fight the NWO and this not only detracts from the efforts of people that are trying but it also sounds very condescending.

It sounds from our vantage point that they are smirking at our vain attempts to save our physical bodies because we are so stupid that we don't want to know the higher truths.

Many of us do but we are simply trying to buy ourselves more time to practice the good stuff.

The people looking down upon those caught up in our 5 sense reali'y think they are a minority of high intelligence amongst this forum, yet this view is held by at least 85% of the people. It is those that are trying to get change that are the minority and not only that, we are being labelled stupid for it.

Hunatic, I wrongly placed you among the detractors.

Cheers.

Yes i agree some people should realize that enlightenment isn't something connected with realization that there is conspiracy going on that one didn't know of before.

[thecatcameback777]

I think that the guy is just standing up to the conspiracy...no doubt such a thing will happen at some point. Kennedy is rumored to have done the same thing...

So they will either derail the Ron Paul thing, one way or another, or they will just do something ugly.

[seer74]

I'm with Chris here all the way. Anybody who's truly enlightened has'nt even any further use for this forum!!! Or the hands to type with LOL

and I don't think Ron Paul is Illuminati. I disagree with him about 9/11 but whatever he thinks happened that day, his politics are SO anti-NWO that the only reason I can see why they would let him run at all is because a Pres. that's not supported by congress can't really do anything about it and congress is NOT going to support him!!!!

as far as Mr. Paul doing the hand sign thing, is everyone at a ROCK CONCERT Illuminati???? LOL

[thetonic]

as far as Mr. Paul doing the hand sign thing, is everyone at a ROCK CONCERT Illuminati???? LOL

Shit... You get me drunk enough on a friday night with some kickin tunes and i might turn illuminati for a few seconds!:D

I WANT MY MUSICIANS FUCKING DEAD! - Bill Hicks

[dondaz]

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[kasalt]

David Icke was on the Coast to Coast AM radio program about a week or so ago, and when the subject of Ron Paul came up during the conversation, David had high praise for him. Also, I asked David specifically about Ron Paul for the November Videocast, so we'll see what else he has to say then.

Ron Paul is a good guy, standing for the right things. I know he's a longshot, but so what! Stand up for what you believe in--and stand up for who you believe in--regardless of the odds. To do any less is to compromise your soul, IMO.

[stikmata]

..ok. I see a lot hipe going on around whole Ron Paul thing.

Gonna share some of my views and concerns over this thing and would like your opinions of this whole situation.

1st. The man him self.

When i first saw him i told it is wonderful that someone alike that came out to speak and nice to see honest candidate. Then i caught up on news clip where he denied that 9/11 was inside job. Honestly i don't see how could anyone who investigated this subject see 9/11 as work of some terrorist group, and i do believe a person like Ron would put quite a lot time into it. Now if we take he did that and saw that 911 couldnt be done by some Al Qaida why does he lie? And if your view is that it is "smart" thing to do to go ahead. Sorry but i
have to tell you truth has nothing to do with lies, even "white" lies or ones with "good intentions". Then comes the hand sign thing he did few times. Could be just mistake or "i love you" stuff for deaf but it could also be NWO little satanic hand signal.

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2nd. Where is all this going.

Ok for sake of argument lets say that guy is honest and has good intentions i honestly don't know. Then ask your self where is all this leading towards. Ron Paul revolution? You know revolutions end in blood being spill usually? What you think is gonna happen when most popular guy in presidential race gets robed of presidency? A revolution?

All who investigated all this NWO and conspiracy side of story for some time know that people who intend to bring this whole thing about expect uprising, it is only natural unfolding of events. So do you not think that they thought of ways to counter it? Or just bather say make there own controlled revolution, with results they intend to get, like they did trough out the history?

As most if not all of us here know whole "war on terror" deal was to call everyday folks terrorists at the end. A revolution would give them that "right", cause they could then point finger and say "Here you see this terrorist blow stuff, destroy and spread terror".

3rd ..and final.

Are you gonna allow your self to get caught up in there game? For which others placed pawns not you? Or for once shall you use your own will to do things as you see then correct not others, what ever that may be.

We all played this game for to long, and many are tired of it, i say if it is to be changed let it be changed by our own terms individually and not by playing there same old system just with different rules hoping for "new" outcome.




Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't get the impression you are eligible to vote in America... yea?

[kasalt]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't get the impression you are eligible to vote in America... yea?

That's no problem. Ron Paul also has lots of fans from overseas, and David Icke is apparently one of them!

[hutanic]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't get the impression you are eligible to vote in America... yea?

Nope i am not, nor have i calmed i was. I live to far away to be affected by outcome of this anyway. But see it as something that could affect US people and perhaps be used to manipulate them.

What does it matter? This isn't presidential election, but a forum and i have not come here to vote.

[lennart]

Nope i am not, nor have i calmed i was. I live to far away to be affected by outcome of this anyway. But see it as something that could affect US people and perhaps be used to manipulate them.

What does it matter? This isn't presidential election, but a forum and i have not come here to vote.

Where is that, another planet?:cool:

The US has the biggest powerfull military on the planet. I think that what will happen in the USA will effect the course and the plans of the World Elite.

[seer74]

Where is that, another planet?:cool:

The US has the biggest powerfull military on the planet. I think that what will happen in the USA will effect the course and the plans of the World Elite.

and regardless of our military strength, there is NO gov. in the world that is not of consequence to the rest of the world, why else would NWO bother to spend quadrillions of dollars on "regime change"?

what ANY country's gov. does these days affects the whole rest of the world.

Ron Paul BTW is ALL ABOUT bringing ALL U.S. troops home. And thats not just from Iraq; his position is that U.S. troops should be stationed on U.S. soil and U.S. soil only.

[thetonic]

Where is that, another planet?:cool:

.

It would have to be at least to the moon to not be affected:D

[nina]

Hello Everyone! This is my first time posting, I usually don't write anything because I enjoy reading the suttle bantering that goes on in this forum but on this particular issue I thought that it would be a start...

I am a avid Ron Paul supporter because he stands up to the false media doctrine etc. He also knows about the NWO- just go to youtube and see his clips- but he can't really come out and say conspiracy because that'll demolish the slim chance that he has of winning the primaries. If you have any concerns about him just look at his voting record through out the years, personally I don't really care about the blabber that comes out of any candidates mouth because it's all just double talk anyway..I go straight to their voting record on key issues and there I see what they really stand for, if it's for FREEDOM or the Establishment. I hope that anyone thinking about voting this year doesn't go by the "supposed" character of any candidate because characters change and this goes for Ron Paul also, just check him out.

I'll give a few examples of what he stands for.

He never voted to raise taxes.
He never voted against an unbalanced budget.
He never voted against federal restrictions on gun ownership {this is a big one for me since owning a gun is key for protection against corrupt governments- like the one we have today which has concentration camps across the US for so- called "home grown terrosists"}
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government payed junkett.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.{ this is another important one because it expressively states in the Constitution that all powers not given to the president soley belong to the people}
He voted against the Patriot Act {a big, if you don't know why -look it up and read it}
He voted against regulating the internet{for those of you who still like free speech}
He voted against the Iraq War {when everyone else voted for it because they didn't want to be labeled anti-patriotic}
He doesn't participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the US Treasury every year {can you say the same for any other candidate?}

I invite all of you to compare all the other candidates {Democrat or Republican} and see if it stands up to the no-bullshit test.

Thanks, that's all for now-




What do you stand for?

Truth, Love, Hope, and Persaverence.

[seer74]

Hello Everyone! This is my first time posting, I usually don't write anything because I enjoy reading the suttle bantering that goes on in this forum but on this particular issue I thought that it would be a start...

I am a avid Ron Paul supporter because he stands up to the false media doctrine etc. He also knows about the NWO- just go to youtube and see his clips- but he can't really come out and say conspiracy because that'll demolish the slim chance that he has of winning the primaries. If you have any concerns about him just look at his voting record through out the years, personally I don't really care about the blabber that comes out of any candidates mouth because it's all just double talk anyway..I go straight to their voting record on key issues and there I see what they really stand for, if it's for FREEDOM or the Establishment. I hope that anyone thinking about voting this year doesn't go by the "supposed" character of any candidate because characters change and this goes for Ron Paul also, just check him out.

I'll give a few examples of what he stands for.

He never voted to raise taxes.
He never voted against an unbalanced budget.
He never voted against federal restrictions on gun ownership {this is a big one for me since owning a gun is key for protection against corrupt governments- like the one we have today which has concentration camps across the US for so- called "home grown terrosists"}
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government payed junkett.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.{ this is another important one because it expressively states in the Constitution that all powers not given to the president soley belong to the people}
He voted against the Patriot Act {a big, if you don't know why -look it up and read it}
He voted against regulating the internet{for those of you who still like free speech}
He voted against the Iraq War {when everyone else voted for it because they didn't want to be labeled anti-patriotic}
He doesn't participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the US Treasury every year {can you say the same for any other candidate?}

I invite all of you to compare all the other candidates {Democrat or Republican} and see if it stands up to the no-bullshit test.

Thanks, that's all for now-




What do you stand for?

Truth, Love, Hope, and Persaverence.

now that's what I call a track record!!!!

[seer74]

he may CALL himself a "republican" but that's just so he stands a chance in an election. this guy is NEITHER left NOR right. he is a LIBERTARIAN. He is the only pres. candidate I've seen in my life who was truly anti-NWO

[niftygifter]

Dont know how you view Fulford, however here are some snippets from the link below. Although the link is mostly about Rockefeller;)

"At the mere mention of Ron Paul, Rockefeller grinds his teeth, and acts as if he doesn't know anything about him, but when Fulford says that Ron Paul wants the powers of the Federal Reserve returned to the United States government, Rockefeller's eyes widen in amazement and dread, "I would not look upon that as one of the great issues that needs to be addressed." Yet here we are, our dollar collapsing. He knows who Ron Paul is. Fulford moves on."

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/government/homeland_security_patriot_act_fema/news.php?q=1196220117


Nifty:confused:

[stikmata]

quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong... but I don't get the impression you are eligible to vote in America... yea?

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Nope i am not, nor have i calmed i was. I live to far away to be affected by outcome of this anyway. But see it as something that could affect US people and perhaps be used to manipulate them.

What does it matter? This isn't presidential election, but a forum and i have not come here to vote.
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Just as I suspected.


What does it matter?.... Well, if you were eligible to vote your opinion on this would matter to me and I might discuss it with you in hopes of swaying your opinion.

And yes... it IS a presidential election... at least it will be if everyone who loves freedom gets out in Feb (or earlier in California) to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.

I officially changed my political party affiliation from "Independent" to Republican to ensure I wouldn't be turned away at the Republican Primary election. :cool:

[seer74]

Just as I suspected.


What does it matter?.... Well, if you were eligible to vote your opinion on this would matter to me and I might discuss it with you in hopes of swaying your opinion.

And yes... it IS a presidential election... at least it will be if everyone who loves freedom gets out in Feb (or earlier in California) to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries.

I officially changed my political party affiliation from "Independent" to Republican to ensure I wouldn't be turned away at the Republican Primary election. :cool:

I think everyone on this forum should be open to the opinions of others on the forum. And no, the FORUM is NOT the election.

much as I like what Ron Paul at least seems to be, his denial of the truth on 9/11 is some cause to scrutinize further. (i am eligible to vote in U.S. election i add this noteing that this is criteria for haveing you consider my views).

so far I find nothing to make me conclude Mr. Paul is anything but what he portrays of himself. problem here is this - IF he wins then NWO has motive to persuade him and they have great powers of persuasion I do believe he desires to make a difference, my question is CAN he?
I like to hope so, but even Reagan started off blasting NWO secret societys, calling for investigations, vowing never to have a Bush in his cabinet, etc. etc. All this changed imediately following his assassination attempt. Could be while he was in hospital he got chipped? Could be all kinds of explanations, something changed his mind? Point being what politicians say, and what they do we know are two different things. Of course Mr. Paul already has a track record consistant with the views he promotes, which speaks volumes in his favor, but sadly the NWO has ways of doing something about people like him. As another poster said already "cautiously optimistic"

[chris]

so far I find nothing to make me conclude Mr. Paul is anything but what he portrays of himself.

I think your wrong here...Ron is way more out there and the NWO know it and try to catch him out. This is why Ron is so dangerous to them, he doesn't fall for their bait.

Other than that, I agree with you 100% but if he does get in the whitehouse, he's going right for the neck, he introduces more legislation than anyone in the congress and has had over 30 years of perfect voting. But still, it's not about Ron, it's about showing up the Mainstream Media and this is where the revolution is.

[seer74]

I think your wrong here...Ron is way more out there and the NWO know it and try to catch him out. This is why Ron is so dangerous to them, he doesn't fall for their bait.

Other than that, I agree with you 100% but if he does get in the whitehouse, he's going right for the neck, he introduces more legislation than anyone in the congress and has had over 30 years of perfect voting. But still, it's not about Ron, it's about showing up the Mainstream Media and this is where the revolution is.

are you saying you find reason to think he's not what he seems? I think you may have misunderstood me. I thought that you believed him? How do you then say you disagree with me when I say I see no reason to think he's not what he seems?

I think we are in agreement