the tattooist
12-12-2010, 10:33 AM
Hi,
as the title reads I am a tattooist and meet a lot of freaky people.
I hope people dont mind if I post every once in a while as some new client tells me some new and weird story which I hope to share and maybe encounter others who have either heard of or experienced something similar.
So the latest is a regular client of mine (really normal guy) who's wife has an uncle living in the Grampians (in Victoria, Australia....its a mountain range) who has claimed to see this 8 foot tall naked man walking through the bush. Weird thing is he has the head of a deer with huge deer antlers!!!
Then the same guy tells me he has seen this creature (a bit different description though) on his friends video camera who captured it while he was taking some footage of the Whittlesea Bush fires in Victoria a couple of years ago. This time the creature is still 8 feet tall, but now a deer walking on its hind legs just like a man! The two places are probably 4 hours away from one another.
Has anybody heard of something like this? I havent seen the video footage, but the guy tells me he is going to try and get a hold of it for me to look at.
white_wave
13-12-2010, 05:22 AM
sounds interesting. never heard of anything like that though, maybe something simillar in native american legend? might be worth starting there.
size_of_light
13-12-2010, 05:55 AM
Hi,
as the title reads I am a tattooist and meet a lot of freaky people.
I hope people dont mind if I post every once in a while as some new client tells me some new and weird story which I hope to share and maybe encounter others who have either heard of or experienced something similar.
So the latest is a regular client of mine (really normal guy) who's wife has an uncle living in the Grampians (in Victoria, Australia....its a mountain range) who has claimed to see this 8 foot tall naked man walking through the bush. Weird thing is he has the head of a deer with huge deer antlers!!!
Then the same guy tells me he has seen this creature (a bit different description though) on his friends video camera who captured it while he was taking some footage of the Whittlesea Bush fires in Victoria a couple of years ago. This time the creature is still 8 feet tall, but now a deer walking on its hind legs just like a man! The two places are probably 4 hours away from one another.
Has anybody heard of something like this? I havent seen the video footage, but the guy tells me he is going to try and get a hold of it for me to look at.
:eek:
You've got to stay on this forum mate! :D
I know there's a lot of UFO and big cat sightings in the mysterious Grampians and that the only known cave painting of the creator-being of the Kulin Nation of Aboriginal tribes - Bunjil - is there too.
Any more info on this would be greatly appreciated.
biblegirl
13-12-2010, 06:20 AM
sounds great tattooist, that's more of a rare sight than bigfoot or wolfman even :D wonder if we could see that footage, sounds like a crazy area!
here's a thread on the "deer woman" you might be interested in:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=75769
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa38/yvonneyoung_2007/Susan%20Seddon%20Boulet/susan_seddon_boulet022DeerWoman.jpg
and a quote I posted there:
A series of articles by Dave Clarke of the Star Courier has revived interest in the legend of the Deerman. The legend is local to Kewanee, Illinois. It tells of a creature, with the upper body of a deer and the lower body of a man, that lurks in the woods, occasionally popping up to scare lovers parked on moonlit nights or people wandering around alone. Supposedly if you see Deerman three times you die.
Clarke credits Jerry Moriarity, the editor and publisher of the Star Courier during the '50s and '60s, with popularizing the legend of the Deerman in his column "Mostly Malarkey."
Half-human/half-animal creatures are a staple of local legends. Some of the other famous ones that I know about are Mothman of West Virginia, the Owlman of Cornwall, the Goatman of Maryland, and the Lizard Man of South Carolina. I'm sure there must be many others.
yellow jacket
15-12-2010, 05:36 AM
Wow that's interesting...I liked your other thread about the 4th dimensional beings too. The first thing that came to my mind was the Algonquin legend of the Wendigo...its not necessarily a flesh and blood creature, more of a spirit that was said to posses people and turn them into cannibals.
some depictions of a Wendigo match what you described
http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/wendigocomicmed1.jpg
biblegirl
15-12-2010, 05:38 AM
what the!! i thought wendigo was bigfoot lol!
awakeorasleep
15-12-2010, 12:05 PM
Sounds like an Actaeon from Norse mythology. The things you remember from Dungeons and Dragons!!
biblegirl
16-12-2010, 06:41 AM
from mountains thread "Bunnyman & Goatman":
Where I live, there is a slew of mysterious sightings of weird creatures and UFOs, that have circulated for many many years.
The Bunnyman is just that, a man with apparent bunny ears, clad in odd and ragged clothes. He is a hermit who resides in a nearby forest and lives in a tiny hut. He is rumored to prey on children. He is believed to have murdered a young girl who was found stabbed to death in the same forest. Bunnyman was seen by both local adults and children, and once made a strange appearance during recess at an elementary school in the area in the 1980s.
Goatman is seen as a man with a goat's head, and he has been sighted in a 100 mile radius from diffrent people. Often in rural areas. He is rumored as killing livestock and other animals.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11029
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biblegirl
16-12-2010, 08:18 AM
In the religion and cultural lore of Southwestern tribes, there are witches known as skinwalkers who can alter their shapes at will to assume the characteristics of certain animals. Most of the world's cultures have their own shapeshifter legends. The best known is the werewolf, popularized by dozens of Hollywood movies. European legends as far back as the 1500's tell stories about werewolves. (The modern psychiatric term for humans who believe they are wolves is lycanthropy.) The people of India have a were- tiger legend. Africans have stories of were-leopards and were- jackals. Egyptians tell of were-hyenas.
In the American Southwest, the Navajo, Hopi, Utes, and other tribes each have their own version of the skinwalker story, but basically they boil down to the same thing--a malevolent witch capable of transforming itself into a wolf, coyote, bear, bird, or any other animal. The witch might wear the hide or skin of the animal identity it wants to assume, and when the transformation is complete, the human witch inherits the speed, strength, or cunning of the animal whose shape it has taken.
"The Navajo skinwalkers use mind control to make their victims do things to hurt themselves and even end their lives," writes Doug Hickman, a New Mexico educator. "The skinwalker is a very powerful witch. They can run faster than a car and can jump mesa cliffs without any effort at all."
... "Not all witches are skinwalkers," he says, "but all skinwalkers are witches. And skinwalkers are at the top. They are a witch's witch, so to speak."
According to University of Nevada-Las Vegas anthropologist Dan Benyshek, who specializes in the study of Native Americans of the Southwest, "Skinwalkers are purely evil in intent. I'm no expert on it, but the general view is that skinwalkers do all sorts of terrible things---they make people sick, they commit murders. They are graverobbers and necrophiliacs. They are greedy and evil people who must kill a sibling or other relative to be initiated as a skinwalker. They supposedly can turn into were-animals and can travel in supernatural ways."
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The Navajo people do not openly talk about skinwalkers, certainly not to outsiders. Author Tony Hillerman, who has lived for many years among the Navajo, used the skinwalker legend as the backdrop for one of his immensely popular detective novels, one that pitted his intrepid Navajo lawmen Jim Chee and Joe Leaphorn against the dark powers of witchcraft. The following excerpt is from Skinwalkers:
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Hillerman has been harshly criticized by some Navajo for bringing unwanted attention to the subject of skinwalkers. "No one who has ever lived in the Navajo country would ever make light of this sinister situation," wrote one critic after Hillerman's book was produced as a movie that aired on PBS in 2003.
Anthropologist Zimmerman explains why so little information is available on skinwalkers: "Part of the reason you won't find a lot of information about skinwalkers in the literature is because it is a sensitive topic among the Dine. This is often referred to as proprietary information, meaning it belongs to the Dine' people and is not to be shared with the non-Dine'."
We know from personal experience that is it extremely difficult to get Native Americans to discuss skinwalkers, even in the most general terms. Practitioners of adishgash, or witchcraft, are considered to be a very real presence in the Navajo world. Few Navajo want to cross paths with naagloshii (or yee naaldooshi), otherwise known as a skinwalker. The cautious Navajo will not speak openly about skinwalkers, especially with strangers, because to do so might invite the attention of an evil witch. After all, a stranger who asks questions about skinwalkers just might be one himself, looking for his next victim.
"They curse people and cause great suffering and death," one Navajo writer explained. "At night, their eyes glow red like hot coals. It is said that if you see the face of a Naagloshii, they have to kill you. If you see one and know who it is, they will die. If you see them and you don't know them, they have to kill you to keep you from finding out who they are. They use a mixture that some call corpse powder, which they blow into your face. Your tongue turns black and you go into convulsions and you eventually die. They are known to use evil spirits in their ceremonies. The Dine' have learned ways to protect themselves against this evil and one has to always be on guard."
One story told on the Navajo reservation in Arizona concerns a woman who delivered newspapers in the early morning hours. She claims that, during her rounds, she heard a scratching on the passenger door of her vehicle. Her baby was in the car seat next to her. The door flung open and she saw the horrifying form of a creature she described as half-man, half-beast, with glowing red eyes and a gnarly arm that was reaching for her child. She fought it off, managed to pull the door closed, then pounded the gas pedal and sped off. To her horror, she says, the creature ran along with the car and continued to try to open the door. It stayed with her until she screeched up to an all-night convenience store. She ran inside, screaming and hysterical, but when the store employee dashed outside, the being had vanished. Outsiders may view the story skeptically, and any number of alternative explanations might be suggested, but it is taken seriously on the Navajo reservation.
Although skinwalkers are generally believed to prey only on Native Americans, there are recent reports from Anglos claiming they had encountered skinwalkers while driving on or near tribal lands. One New Mexico Highway Patrol officer told us that while patrolling a stretch of highway south of Gallup, New Mexico, he had had two separate encounters with a ghastly creature that seemingly attached itself to the door of his vehicle. During the first encounter, the veteran law enforcement officer said the unearthly being appeared to be wearing a ghostly mask as it kept pace with his patrol car. To his horror, he realized that the ghoulish specter wasn't attached to his door after all. Instead, he said, it was running alongside his vehicle as he cruised down the highway at a high rate of speed.
The officer said he had a nearly identical experience in the same area a few days later. He was shaken to his core by these encounters, but didn't realize that he would soon get some confirmation that what he had seen was real. While having coffee with a fellow highway patrolman not long after the second incident, the cop cautiously described his twin experiences. To his amazement, the second officer admitted having his own encounter with a white-masked ghoul, a being that appeared out of nowhere and then somehow kept pace with his cruiser as he sped across the desert. The first officer told us that he still patrols the same stretch of highway and that he is petrified every time he enters the area.
Once Caucasian family still speaks in hushed tones about its encounter with a skinwalker, even though it happened in 1983. While driving at night along Route 163 through the massive Navajo Reservation, the four members of the family felt that someone was following them. As their truck slowed down to round a sharp bend, the atmosphere changed, and time itself seemed to slow down. Then something leaped out of a roadside ditch at the vehicle.
"It was black and hairy and was eye level with the cab," one of the witnesses recalled. "Whatever this thing was, it wore a man's clothes. It had on a white and blue checked shirt and long pants. Its arms were raised over its head, almost touching the top of the cab. It looked like a hairy man or a hairy animal in man's clothing, but it didn't look like an ape or anything like that. Its eyes were yellow and its mouth was open."
The father described as a fearless man who had served two tours in Vietnam, turned completely white, the blood drained from his face. The hair on his neck and arms stood straight up, like a cat under duress, and noticeable goose bumps erupted from his skin. Although time seemed frozen during this bizarre interlude, the truck continued on its way, and the family was soon miles down the highway.
A few days later, at their home in Flagstaff, the family awoke to the sounds of loud drumming. As they peered out their windows, they saw the dark forms of three "men" outside their fence. The shadowy beings tried to climb the fence to enter the yard but seemed inexplicably unable to cross onto the property. Frustrated by their failed entry, the men began to chant in the darkness as the terrified family huddled inside the house.
The story leaves several questions unanswered. If the beings were skinwalkers, and if skinwalkers can assume animal form or even fly, it isn't clear why they couldn't scale a fence. It is also not known whether the family called the police about the attempted intrusion by strangers.
The daughter, Frances, says she contacted friend, a Navajo woman who is knowledgeable about witchcraft. The woman visited the home, inspected the grounds, and offered her opinion that the intruders had been skinwalkers who were drawn by the family's "power" and that they had intended to take that power by whatever means necessary. She surmised that the intrusion failed because something was protecting the family, while admitting that it was all highly unusual since skinwalkers rarely bother non-Indians. The Navajo woman performed a blessing ceremony at the home. Whether the ceremony had any legitimacy or not, the family felt better for it and has had no similar experiences in the ensuing years.
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Hicks told us that the Indians say they see them a lot. "When they go out camping," he says, "they sprinkle bark around their campsites and light it as protection against these things. But it's not just Indians. Whites see them, too." Like his Ute neighbors, Hicks sometimes uses the terms skinwalker and Sasquatch interchangeably.
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Ware said that skinwalker sightings among the Utes are not uncommon. He told us of an encounter with two shapeshifters near the Gorman ranch. The figures he described are so unusual, so far outside our own concept of reality as to be almost comical, like something out of a Saturday morning cartoon. One local who saw them in the road in Fort Duchesne described them as humans with dog heads smoking cigarettes. But Ware was perfectly serious in his description. He certainly did not bare his soul for comic effect and we have no interest in making light of his story. For him, and for many others, skinwalkers are as real as the morning sun or the evening moon. They are a part of everyday life, and they most certainly are integral to the story of the Gorman ranch.
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This was posted elsewhere on the forum: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7592 but the link the main article goes back to is dead. The full article in the OP is good though, it has more info on bigfoot if anyone is interested :).
This thread reminds me of what my brother seen about 12 years ago.
He was coming home with his friend at 10pm, walked across a railway bridge. Decided to look to his left and saw what looked like an 8 year old boy taking a piss on the traintracks.
After asking his friend what the f that is. He shouted "HEY!!".
Then what happened shock him and his mate. The "kid" turned to the side, looked like he went on four legs and ran up the embankment like a dog and dissapeared.
He said. One minute it was like a kid. The next minute it was running like a dog.