So you believe in reincarnation huh?

[seamus]

I am on the fence about this issue. I have memories that may or may not be implanted, not from past "lives" but from before any life. It seems that it's from before the big bang, but hey, it could just be before my own life. Anyway it's a question that is bugging me.

Who on here is really really convinced about reincarnation? Who is willing to talk to me, and take time and explain it? I for one think it's a bit cruel of the universe to expect us to learn more from life to life and then make us forget everything when we're born and spend a good portion of our lives just trying to figure out that we are not just bodies wandering around. THEN you get hit with all these conflicting theories about the nature of what IS.

So who will answer? I guess we'll see. I want to have real open dialogue.

s

[notaslave]

I am on the fence about this issue. I have memories that may or may not be implanted, not from past "lives" but from before any life. It seems that it's from before the big bang, but hey, it could just be before my own life. Anyway it's a question that is bugging me.

Who on here is really really convinced about reincarnation? Who is willing to talk to me, and take time and explain it? I for one think it's a bit cruel of the universe to expect us to learn more from life to life and then make us forget everything when we're born and spend a good portion of our lives just trying to figure out that we are not just bodies wandering around. THEN you get hit with all these conflicting theories about the nature of what IS.

So who will answer? I guess we'll see. I want to have real open dialogue.

s

I dont believe in reincarnation. I believe in the people on this planet at this time. Which is why we should invest time in our children as they are our only legacy.

Another very good reason for refusing to let our young be sacrificed at the altar of money in the wars we have sent them into for generations.

Monkeys would learn quicker than humans!

[seamus]

Sad to say, that's very true.

Alright people! take the Reincarnation challenge!

Maybe i named the thread wrongly. Not much in the way of response, though I know this board is full of reincarnation believers.

s

[misscpb]

Hi

I believe in reincarnation very much and always have done since being a child. I have also had a fantastic past life reading done from an Australian couple that did not cost the earth (www.spiritwatch.com/sw7readings.htm)The information that was revealed which was personal was amazing, and I didn't even have to tell them a thing. They where complete strangers and I could relate to it all, especially events that carried over into my current life that I am working on and with regards to future events.

Then I had another reading from some person out of a magazine a few years later, what a waste of time. I was told that I had drowned in a past life and also starved to death in a polish prisoner of war camp. BUT, the thing about that was 2-3 days before the reading I had just watched a documentary about drowning, and watched the film poseidon about the ship sinking and people drowning, and I had also watched the polish prisoners of war and the terrible camp conditions and treatment they had. So, I knew that the person was probably psychic but indeed reading my mind as opposed to the records of my soul.

So like most things in life there are good people and there are those that are not so good. I guess its down to each person as an individual as to whether you beleive or not.

There is a wonderful cd/tape called "Past Life Regression With The Angels" - By Doreen Virtue. That is wonderful and something you can do yourself. The things you see are amazing. I think you can get it of Amazon or www.audible.com. You can listen to a free sample of it online at the following link:-

http://www.audible.com/adbl/site/enSearch/searchResults.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&N=0&Ntx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&D=past+live+regression&Dx=mode%2Bmatchallpartial&Ntk=S_Keywords&Ntt=past+live+regression

Take Care

[seamus]

Thanks for the links, misscpb!

Actually what I am looking for is a collection of anecdotal and/or documented evidence that either supports or tends to disprove reincarnation. I know I won't find both on the same site :)

I know I could google for it, but I value the personal opinions and input of the people on this board. You never know what you're getting with googling.

s

[i_am]

I too believe in reincarnation. I have had experiences myself and so have other members of my family. The freakiest being my brother who does not believe in all this stuff. It is too long a story to tell here but it really freaked him out and I got goose bumps listening to him. He had goose bumps too while he was telling the story.

I don't go and have readings but have encountered people over the years who have spontaneously told me things. I have always had a fascination with Scottish history. As a child I read everything I could lay my hands on. My grandmother came from Scotland but I never really knew her so it wasn't her influence. A lady once told me that I had been a young boy in Scotland. She described a scene to me and it was one which I had visualized many times. I went to Scotland last year and it was like coming home. There are others that I have been told about but that is the most real one to me.

How can we explain young children who talk about other lives? I have read about these and then a child in the family did all the things I had read about. He talked about his home, his family, his animals and described where he lived in North Queensland. He would be talking about things he had done and if we said that he had not done them, he would say, " not with you. With my other Mum and Dad." They usually stop talking about it at about age seven, and so did he, probably after being brain washed in the education system. Then when we he was about twelve, we were driving to Cairns one year and going across a bridge somewhere in the Tully area he became very agitated and afraid. He was absoultely terrified, saying it was going to collapse. Same thing happened at the same spot on the way back. He had never shown any fear of bridges before and never has since. The same kid had alien encounters too but that's another story:)

[seamus]

I want to thank everyone for laboring with me. I am struggling at present with an authoritarian fear-based mindset, and this will help me come out of it, I think.

[albie]

I believe nothing and everything.

I theorise with an emotional level.

I believe in anything for as long as the internal discussion continues.

And drop it.

[eternal_spirit]

This question does reincarnation exist? I can't decide and don't think I'll ever know the answer. I've read so much about this over the years and still no real answers. It can't be proven or disproven really.


I've decided that maybe I'm meant to know the truth when I leave this lifetime. There was something before this life and is something after this life, which would seem more likley than you get one life and then you're gone for ever:rolleyes:

[albie]

I had this dream that I was a drummer boy, up in scotland during that whole England Scottish thing. (I hate dates and history)

I was on the side of the English and I recall being near a castle in the dark and feeling a really horrible feeling.

I had this other dream about Robin hood. I live in Hull, England. There's a town North of Hull called Beverley. There's an old mill with no sails up there. In the dream there was a man with a head shaped like that mill.

It's complicated.

Anyway. I recently learnt that Little John was from Holderness. Which is a part of Hull now (it use to be a small village just outside).

In some old book John says he's from Holderness. He is in ancient records. There was a John Little who stole deer around Hull.

I'm babbling.

[bigus_dickus]

this is kind of a tough subject, because reincarnation theory contradicts some beliefs by becoming a belief itself. here are some of my mind bending thoughts that often puzzle me.

question: why does someone need to believe in anything? why does someone need to believe in reincarnation? why does someone need anything at all?

(no answer, they are rhetorical questions)

the problem is, that when you die, time stops to exist as you know it. time really exists in the 3rd dimensional world, but it is an illusion. in the 4th dimensional world, everything happens at the same time. in the 5th dimensional world, a point of focus is being decided into the time-space system (illusion) and this point of focus is our current selves, our local consciousness. that's a simple way to describe it, it is not exactly like that, but just to make a long story short.

so, from our point of view, it seems as if everything happens at the same time, past present and future are one and interconnected and everything that exists, is only in the now. this means that if you had past and even future lives, they are happening right now at this moment, but on a different timeline that you don't perceive.

this also means, that you are now living the whole package together, that you experience all the lives you have ever lived and will ever live from the start to the end of time and since there's no start and end to time but only movement, when you move, you live and you are everything that exists. but your consciousness chooses to focus at a local point that is who you are right now.

reincarnation.. for what i know, there is a dimension of existence that i reincarnated to you and you reincarnated to me, since we both are one with the all. i can project my consciousness to you and read your mind, your memories, experience your life, your past and future lives. i can do that anywhere, anytime, i can view from any point i choose, experience the feelings of this point, be literally you. i can remote view anything, but i don't because i have not trained my mind to do such things, i don't think i need that right now. i trust that everything i would think that i need, just happens. i don't think that i need anything, because thinking about need, is going to manifest needing and trying and not getting there.

so does this mean that there is no reincarnation? well, it seems that the concept of reincarnation is a perspective of a much greater scheme. for example the soul desires something, the mind creates the circumstances (the thread of lives - or transitions it wants to undergo) and consciousness experiences those circumstances in many different ways, one of which is viewed as "reincarnation" from a 3d world point of view.

[seamus]

this is kind of a tough subject, because reincarnation theory contradicts some beliefs by becoming a belief itself. here are some of my mind bending thoughts that often puzzle me.

question: why does someone need to believe in anything? why does someone need to believe in reincarnation? why does someone need anything at all?

I assume you mean "why does someone need to believe anything at all?" to which the answer is "they don't NEED to. People, until they break their addiction, or are raised properly, are addicted to beliefs. What people really need is to know experientially. Sorry for answering your rhetorical questions, but I felt an answer was necessary.

I don't need to believe. I feel like I need to know, but whether I know or don't know the fact is the same, reincarnation is true (which resonates with me) or it is not; you only get one shot and after that you get judged on how you spent that shot.

(no answer, they are rhetorical questions)

the problem is, that when you die, time stops to exist as you know it. time really exists in the 3rd dimensional world, but it is an illusion. in the 4th dimensional world, everything happens at the same time. Oh really? How do you know that? Have you ever been to the 4th density? I have, and it closely follows the form of the 3rd density. With the exception that you can see energy.

in the 5th dimensional world, a point of focus is being decided into the time-space system (illusion) and this point of focus is our current selves, our local consciousness. that's a simple way to describe it, it is not exactly like that, but just to make a long story short. That's simple? Would you mind breaking it down for me? I'm a little dim-witted. :p

so, from our point of view, it seems as if everything happens at the same time, past present and future are one and interconnected and everything that exists, is only in the now. Where have you been where it's like that? I am curious, because it sounds like a mental construct of an ineffability that you are talking about.

this means that if you had past and even future lives, they are happening right now at this moment, but on a different timeline that you don't perceive.You mean they are parallel? doesn't that indicate parallel lines, as in linear? rather than a singularity, which is what you spoke of above.

this also means, that you are now living the whole package together, that you experience all the lives you have ever lived and will ever live from the start to the end of time and since there's no start and end to time but only movement, when you move, you live and you are everything that exists. but your consciousness chooses to focus at a local point that is who you are right now.aha... sounds kind of like an 8-track tape! :o

reincarnation.. for what i know, there is a dimension of existence that i reincarnated to you and you reincarnated to me, since we both are one with the all. Now THIS is very interesting. I have felt at certian times while on certain mind-altering substances that everyone was in on the joke but me. Perhaps that's because you all were! Here goes my paranoia again. Wheee! Hey at least I can enjoy it now.

i can project my consciousness to you and read your mind, your memories, experience your life, your past and future lives. i can do that anywhere, anytime, i can view from any point i choose, experience the feelings of this point, be literally you.

Dude, that's stretching it. If you have that kind of prowess, why are you still on this planet? This is like dee GHET-TOE!

i can remote view anything, but i don't because i have not trained my mind to do such things, i don't think i need that right now. i trust that everything i would think that i need, just happens. i don't think that i need anything, because thinking about need, is going to manifest needing and trying and not getting there. Right!

so does this mean that there is no reincarnation? well, it seems that the concept of reincarnation is a perspective of a much greater scheme. for example the soul desires something, the mind creates the circumstances (the thread of lives - or transitions it wants to undergo) and consciousness experiences those circumstances in many different ways, one of which is viewed as "reincarnation" from a 3d world point of view.all in all a very good answer, from someone with such a wonky alias.

Thanks!

s

[2013]

This is a difficult one as it may largely be down to personal belief or experience .My thoughts and experiences have changed over the years , but i feel that all cellsat a molecullar level chemically contain the information of everything they have ever been . So for example trees rocks animals people are all made up of the same stuff since nothing is destroyed or created but merely changes form .Then we contain al lknowledge within us and this is what we access and clairvoyants do to when we get information.The book of life containing everything that the bible speaks of for example , by reading this akashic record we ca nknow all their is to know and it proves a deeper existence if not a personel i was napolean etc and could explain the fact that children in india have sometimes claimed to have been the same person .As well as providing details of the same previous life etc . Maybe parts of me were parts of you .Also this could explain certain affinitys with the sea or trees etc .Everything is everything as they say , or we said lol .Soul mates twin soul soul group theories would make sense from this point of view to .Even if we are all one some books on your shelf you may be more familiar with than others so recal them more easily .just my thoughts i had a lot of this info in meditation in the mid to late 90's :D
ps jenny cockell past lives future lives i think it was one of most famous cases had the book years back interesting case check it out .

[misscpb]

I too believe in reincarnation. I have had experiences myself and so have other members of my family. The freakiest being my brother who does not believe in all this stuff. It is too long a story to tell here but it really freaked him out and I got goose bumps listening to him. He had goose bumps too while he was telling the story.

I don't go and have readings but have encountered people over the years who have spontaneously told me things. I have always had a fascination with Scottish history. As a child I read everything I could lay my hands on. My grandmother came from Scotland but I never really knew her so it wasn't her influence. A lady once told me that I had been a young boy in Scotland. She described a scene to me and it was one which I had visualized many times. I went to Scotland last year and it was like coming home. There are others that I have been told about but that is the most real one to me.

How can we explain young children who talk about other lives? I have read about these and then a child in the family did all the things I had read about. He talked about his home, his family, his animals and described where he lived in North Queensland. He would be talking about things he had done and if we said that he had not done them, he would say, " not with you. With my other Mum and Dad." They usually stop talking about it at about age seven, and so did he, probably after being brain washed in the education system. Then when we he was about twelve, we were driving to Cairns one year and going across a bridge somewhere in the Tully area he became very agitated and afraid. He was absoultely terrified, saying it was going to collapse. Same thing happened at the same spot on the way back. He had never shown any fear of bridges before and never has since. The same kid had alien encounters too but that's another story:)

Wow thats great. For me every since I was a small child I have had a total fascination with America/Canada and have never ever felt at home in the UK, despite initially not knowing much about America. I always said and still do say that I will emmigrate to live there, and I know that I will. Very much past life related for me.

Take Care

[eternal_spirit]

Seriously people it's Buddhism hinduism or newageism or somethingism regurgetated it's nothing new.akashic records and the book of life.

Who knows reincaranation theorys could predate any religion.

[bigus_dickus]

I don't need to believe. I feel like I need to know, but whether I know or don't know the fact is the same, reincarnation is true (which resonates with me) or it is not; you only get one shot and after that you get judged on how you spent that shot.

i don't see how it would be important for someone to know for fact that reincarnation is something that he is going to do after he dies.

even if you knew that you had a million shots, or infinite shots, how would that change you? what difference would it make?

lets suppose that reincarnation is true. lets accept that there is no doubt about it and that we are now having a life among an unknown number of lives, which is "next" to a previous one and "previous" to a next one.

then, how come we are here now with the present form and identity and not in another of those instances? this is something that i have been wondering since i heard about the idea of reincarnation. if reincarnation exists, then there must be a very good reason that i am perceiving the now life and not a past or future one. i mean, if i die, i will be someone else saying the exact same thing i am saying now.

and what would be the purpose of reincarnation if we were able to remember everything we have previously done? there would be no purpose, as far as i know, it doesn't seem logical.

so, reincarnation and memory loss go together. can't have one without the other.

however, incarnation, is a different thing than re-incarnation.

re-incarnation, is a linear chain of events: life, death and all over again, while incarnation is life without this cycle of death. so it all comes down to the concept of death.

so, before we try to explain reincarnation, we would have to explain death. if we don't, it is like trying to explain a car to someone who has never seen one, without explaining the wheel first.

Oh really? How do you know that? Have you ever been to the 4th density? I have, and it closely follows the form of the 3rd density. With the exception that you can see energy.

i don't understand your question. i understand that i have never "been" to other densities, but i have always and will always "be" in all densities, or dimensions of existence and this is not my personal capability as an ego, but it is consciousness that does "it", not mine, yours or anyone's, but the single one that is.

when i am talking about the 4th and 5th densities, it is not from experience, but an agreement to name dimensions with numbers, for the sake of the argument. i start with the assumption that in the 4th "density", an infinite number of 3d realities are included and all their possible routes, all their possible timelines.

how have you "been" in the 4th density? you can see and feel energy all the time in the 3d, although it appears "solid", you know it isn't and that it is all energy. thoughts are part of the energy 'soup' and in fact, not only part of the energy 'soup', but what holds that energy stuck together to create the 3d illusion.

That's simple? Would you mind breaking it down for me? I'm a little dim-witted. :p

to continue what i was writing above, lets imagine that we step out of our timeline and life as we know it.

let's assume that we have mentally stepped out of the 3d and lets call this situation a 4d perspective. from this point of view, there is this entity that i call my self and the supposed lives that this entity experiences. this means that there is everything, all that you would now describe as past, present and future, all happening at the same time.

as an observer of my entity, looking at all my lives and illusory identities, i can see a greater scheme. even this entity is part of a bigger picture. this soul is part of a group soul and this group soul is part of another group soul. and logically, this situation does not end or begin anywhere. these are all projections of one being and all the subdivisions are illusions created by that one being. i don't want to go farther into this, because i am not writing a book right now, i am at my office typing fast...

but how does that one being decide what to experience, where and how? this is where i assume that this decision comes from a higher dimension of existence, higher of what i called 4th dimension and i called this "up one level" the 5th dimension.

this does not mean that there is someone "up there" sending you places and times to live. we have to understand that even if there are 100 dimensions, we exist all the way up to the 100th, we don't exist only in the 3rd, because the 3rd is only a tiny little part, an insignificant part of the 4th. so when i say "it is being decided from the 5th dimension", i mean that "you decide it from the 5th dimension". in other words, your future self, is currently working with your present and past selves.

this is hard to explain and harder for me to do it in english.

let's say, to make it really simple for me too, that what i call the 5th dimension of existence is your future self. it does not exist in a 3d pov (because the future is yet to come), but in all other dimensions except the 3rd, it sure does. it is your "higher" self, your past and future self, the "other" world, the world of the "dead".

i'll give an example. imagine that humanity advances so much mentally and even technologically, that we can do time travel. it looks impossible, but how about in 500 years from now? lets assume that 500 years from now, your self that lives there, discovers how to travel back into time and does it.

if this ever happens, then this means that it has already happened. what i mean is, it doesn't matter in which time period someone is capable to time travel, or project consciousness to different timelines, what matters is that if there is such a possibility, it is already being done, no doubt.
do you realize what this means?

to lay it simple: all that is, is you, all you experience is you, all you see is your mirror. your feelings and intuition comes from your future version, your "higher" self as new agers say, that already knows you. it responds to your intentions and brings things your way when you ask for them.

Where have you been where it's like that? I am curious, because it sounds like a mental construct of an ineffability that you are talking about.

i don't know what you mean again, i have always been here now and here and now is where i will always be.

You mean they are parallel? doesn't that indicate parallel lines, as in linear? rather than a singularity, which is what you spoke of above.

no... i guess it's more like a dog chasing its tail or a snake eating its tail. many "time loops" that appear like parallel lines. they are self generated and self existent because they move by consuming themselves.

aha... sounds kind of like an 8-track tape! :o

and david icke says it sounds kind of like a dvd-rom :)

Now THIS is very interesting. I have felt at certian times while on certain mind-altering substances that everyone was in on the joke but me. Perhaps that's because you all were! Here goes my paranoia again. Wheee! Hey at least I can enjoy it now.

i told you that this stuff is mind bending.. why do you think noone has ever been capable to explain god? because it would take words to do it.. i wish i could transfer my thoughts without having to word them, words make them so ...little.

Dude, that's stretching it. If you have that kind of prowess, why are you still on this planet? This is like dee GHET-TOE!

i was trying to say that we all have it. and we all do it all the time, especially when we dream. i don't do it consciously, although sometimes maybe i do. you know what i think, everyone does it all the time, whether they know it or not. to know it, is a big advantage to you, to not know it, is a big challenge.

if i was able to perform 'miracles' like that, do you think i would demonstrate them? no way, dude! and i wouldn't want to get off this planet either, what i want is to be here, otherwise why would i even get here in the first place?

if i want out i know what i have to do.

all in all a very good answer, from someone with such a wonky alias.

thanks. wonky alias.. it's purpose is to not take anything seriously. monty python are brilliant geniuses. they know the meaning of life! :)

[seamus]

It's all good. I do know. I know but not with me head. I just decided the other day. Thanks for all the input, friends!

s

[lightgiver]

we are all individual beings but with the same enlightened nature,but because of our self grasping,self cherishing of the i and phenomena and our desirous tendernesses for sensory pleasures. this is why we continually keep being born and dying over and over again.we are attached to worldly sense pleasures and depending on your actions in the desire realm which we are in,will determine were you are reborn.birth,aging and death pervade most realms.we only escape this cycle when we have realized our true nature.hope you understand.this is a brief explanation for you.:)

[lightgiver]

oh also. going to sleep, dreaming and waking are similar to the death, intermediate state and reborn process.unless you die suddenly but you will still experience some of the process.there are some teachings were you can learn this process or practice.so you can help determine your own rebirth but for only good purposes ie:The welfare of all sentient beings.I hope this helps you.:)

[zero1]

Very expanansive subject, reincarnation.

The one's who remember past lives in part or whole are the ones that choose consciously to be here. The ones who don't remember are the ones compelled to reincarnate by the economy of the metaphysical system in place.

I remember parts of many of my previous lives, and not all of them were what I'd want to remember either...:(

[octopusrex]

I had very vivid images during meditation of myself as other people. You can call them halucinations, but my hunch tells me it was me in different time-periods.

[lumukanda]

i think that reincarnation exists, but it's not the way it's meant to be.
back when whatever took place that led to the fall of man, this reality became denser and souls began getting stuck in this realm, unable to leave, so they keep being reinacarnated. is this is all new age bullshit? maybe, but it does make a kind of sense to me.

[pilgrim]

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[pilgrim]

http://www.salagram.net/changing-bodies2.jpg

In Bhagavad-Gita, Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead teaches:

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.

The nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.

Know that which pervades the entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the imperishable soul.

Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction.

He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that he is slain, does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

How can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal and immutable, kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?

As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.

This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.

If, however, you think that the soul is perpetually born and always dies, still you still have no reason to lament.

For one who has taken his birth, death is certain; and for one who is dead, birth is certain. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.

All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when they are annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?

Some look at the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all.

O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is eternal and can never be slain.

More Here: http://causelessmercy.com/Bg2.1.htm

[pilgrim]

Has it occurred to you that transmigration is at once an explanation and a justification of the evil of the world ? If the evils we suffer are the result of sins committed in our past lives, we can bear them with resignation and hope that if in this one we strive toward virtue our future lives will be less afflicted.
-- W. Somerset Maugham - The Razor's Edge

http://www.harekrishna.com/col/books/kr/cb/gal-r100.jpg

Two children are born at the same time on the same day. The parents of the first are wealthy and well educated and have anxiously awaited the arrival of their first-born for years. Their child, a boy, is bright, healthy, and attractive, with a future full of promise. Surely destiny has smiled upon him.

The second child enters into an entirely different world. He is born to a mother who was abandoned while pregnant. In her poverty she feels little enthusiasm to rear her sickly new offspring. The road ahead is fraught with difficulties and hardships, and to rise above them will not be easy.

The world is full of disparities like these, blatant inequalities that often provoke questions: "How could Providence be so unfair? What did George and Mary do to have their son born blind? They're good people God is so unkind!"

The principles of reincarnation, however, allow us to view life with a much broader perspective -- from the standpoint of eternity. From this point of view, one brief lifetime is seen not as the beginning of our existence, but as nothing more than a flash in time, and we can understand that an apparently pious person who may be suffering greatly is reaping the effects of impious activities performed in this or previous lives. With this broader vision of universal justice we can see how each individual soul is alone responsible for its own karma.

Our actions are compared to seeds. Initially they are performed, or planted, and over the course of time they gradually fructify, releasing their resultant reactions. Such reactions may produce either suffering or enjoyment for the living being, and he may respond by either improving his character or by becoming increasingly animallike. In either case, the laws of reincarnation operate impartially to award each living being the destiny he has earned by his previous actions.

A criminal chooses to enter prison by willful transgression of the law, but another man may be appointed to sit on the Supreme Court by dint of his excellence of service. In the same way, the soul chooses its own destiny, including the selection of a specific physical form, based on past and present desires and actions. No one can truthfully lament, "I didn't ask to be born!" In the scheme of repeated births and deaths in this material world, "man proposes and God disposes."

Just as a person selects an automobile based on personal driving needs and purchasing power, we ourselves determine, by our own desires and actions, what kind of body material nature will arrange for us next. If a human being wastes this valuable form of life, which is meant only for self-realization, by engaging solely in the animal activities of eating, sleeping, sex, and bodily defense, God will allow him to be placed in a species with more facility for such sense pleasures, but without the disturbing inhibitions and responsibilities experienced in the human form.

For example, a gluttonous person who indiscriminately gorges himself on vast and varied quantities of victuals may be offered by material nature the body of a pig or goat, a form which allows him to indiscriminately savor garbage and refuse.

This liberal system of reward and punishment may appear shocking at first, but it is perfectly equitable and compatible with the conception of God as an all-compassionate being. For the living being to enjoy the sense gratification of his choice he needs an appropriate body. For nature to place the living entity in the body he craves is the proper fulfillment of that individual's desires.

Another common misconception dispelled by the clear logic of reincarnation concerns religious dogma claiming that everything rests on our performance in this one lifetime only, warning that if we lead a vicious or immoral life, we will be condemned to eternal damnation in the darkest regions of hell -- without a prayer of emancipation. Understandably, sensitive, God-conscious people find such a system of ultimate justice more demoniac than divine. Is it possible that man can show mercy or compassion toward others, but God is incapable of such feelings? These doctrines portray God as a heartless father who allows His children to be misled, then witnesses their endless punishment and persecution.

Such unreasonable teachings ignore the eternal bond of love that exists between God and His intimate expansions, the living beings. By definition (man is made in the image of God), God must possess all qualities to the highest degree of perfection. One of these qualities is mercy. The notion that after one brief life a human being can be consigned to suffer eternally in hell is not consistent with the conception of a supreme being possessing infinite mercy. Even an ordinary father would give his son more than one chance to make his life perfect.

The Vedic literatures repeatedly extol the magnanimous nature of God. Krsna is even merciful to those who openly despise Him, for He is situated within everyone's heart and gives all living beings the opportunity to realize their dreams and ambitions. Actually, the Lord's mercy knows no end; Krsna is unlimitedly merciful. And His mercy is also causeless. We may not be deserving, due to our sinful activities, but the Lord loves each and every living being so much that He repeatedly gives them opportunities to transcend the cycle of birth and death.

Kuntidevi, a great devotee of Krsna, tells the Lord, "You are the Supreme Controller, without beginning and end, and in distributing Your causeless mercy, You are equal to everyone." (Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.8.28) If anyone, however, does remain forever away from God, it is not because of vengeance on the part of God, but because of the individual's own repeated choice. As Sir William Jones, who helped introduce Indian philosophy to Europe, wrote nearly two centuries ago, "I am no Hindu, but I hold the doctrine of the Hindus concerning a future state [reincarnation] to be incomparably more rational, more pious, and more likely to deter men from vice than the horrid opinions inculcated by Christians on punishments without end."

According to the doctrine of reincarnation, God recognizes and preserves even a small amount of good done by an otherwise evil person. It is rare to see anyone who is one-hundred-percent sinful. Therefore, if a living being makes some slight degree of spiritual progress in his present life, then in his next life he is allowed to continue from that point. The Lord tells his disciple Arjuna in Bhagavad-gita, "In this endeavor [Krsna consciousness] there is no loss or diminution, and a little advancement on this path can protect one from the greatest type of fear [returning in a lower-than-human form in the next life]." The soul may thus develop its inherent spiritual qualities through many lives, until it no longer has to reincarnate in a material body, until it returns to its original home in the spiritual world.

This is the special benediction of human life -- even if one is destined to suffer terribly for impious acts performed in this and previous lives, one can, by taking up the process of Krsna consciousness, change his karma. The soul in a human body stands at the evolutionary midpoint. From here the living being can choose either degradation, or liberation from reincarnation.

From 'Coming Back - The Science of Reincarnation':
http://www.harekrishna.com/col/books/kr/cb/

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In Bhagavad-Gita, Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead teaches:

As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A self-realized soul is not bewildered by such a change.

The nonpermanent appearance of happiness and distress, and their disappearance in due course, are like the appearance and disappearance of winter and summer seasons. They arise from sense perception, and one must learn to tolerate them without being disturbed.

Know that which pervades the entire body is indestructible. No one is able to destroy the imperishable soul.

Only the material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is subject to destruction.

He who thinks that the living entity is the slayer or that he is slain, does not understand. One who is in knowledge knows that the self slays not nor is slain.

For the soul there is never birth nor death. Nor, having once been, does he ever cease to be. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing, undying and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.

How can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, unborn, eternal and immutable, kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?

As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, similarly, the soul accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.

The soul can never be cut into pieces by any weapon, nor can he be burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.

This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, all-pervading, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.

It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable, immutable, and unchangeable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.

If, however, you think that the soul is perpetually born and always dies, still you still have no reason to lament.

For one who has taken his birth, death is certain; and for one who is dead, birth is certain. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.

All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when they are annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?

Some look at the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all.

O descendant of Bharata, he who dwells in the body is eternal and can never be slain.

More Here: http://causelessmercy.com/Bg2.1.htm

Om Namo Narayanya:)

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Agreed, reincarnation does make more sense and it has somewhat graspable evidence, with memories of past life, dejavu feelings, pre-death experiences, feeling that we are all one actually supports reincarnation, while christianity does not.

Reincarnation honors all life, not just us humans, all life has soul, otherwise it does not make any sense why would we be special and christianity in comparance looks like selfish belief system.

After all everything is a belief system untill you experience it.

Btw, I was very curious about this Boriska boy from russia, he had memories of past life on mars, he was 6 or 7 years old and he knew solar system and planets and what they are made off and alot of what we call sci-fi material.

Now he is grown up and forgot most of it :(