Has anyone smoked DMT?

[dmt head]

Seen the salvia thread and thought id ask this, a friend of mines tried it and has encountered lots of entitites, he has been in space and aliens were doing things too him, was as if they were doing positive things to him. He had been taken to this space station by these gorgeous space pixies and other things were doing stuff with his head, it felt as if they knew what to do and seemed beneficial though the next day he had a pain in his neck as if something had been implanted was weird. :D

He also never felt so much love in his life though it does seem to be a bit random, like practically every time its different, though hes also never been so terrified, thught he ahd died one time and was as if all these spirits were connecting with him it was so orgasmic and sexual and beautiful, then he burst and he could see but had no body, and was in this large mush of conciousness with loads of other things, could this be the infinite one?? lol

He loves it but has layed off a bit recently after a few scares but even the scary ones afterwards were amazing, and felt so beneficial hes encountered loads of beautiful benevolant spirits and some not so !! :eek: lol

Someone in Rick Strassmans book, DMT the spirit molecule said you cant be an atheist after 50mg per kg of wait injected intravenously!

[alrick888]

Your friend's space pixies sounds like the "machine elves" McKenna talks about.

I guess your friend had some good connections to be able to get his hands on the stuff...

[adimon]

Yage has not only DMT but also telepathine as active ingredients. See my post on yage for further details. I wil try to find it to link it.

EDIT: Found it

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128201&postcount=27

[rossus]

a quote from rick strassmanns book DMT the spirit molecule.
it's a guy explaining his experience on DMT to rick strassman
I was in a very large waiting room, or something. It was very long. I felt observed by the insect-thing and others like it. Then they lost interest. I was taken into space and looked at.
There is a sinister backdrop, al alien-type, insectoid, not-quite-pleasantside of this, isn't there? It's not a "We're going to get you motherfucker". It's more like being possessed. During the experience there is sense of someone, or something else, there taking control. It's like you have to defend yourself against them, whoever they are, but they certainly are there. I'm aware of them and they're aware of me. It's like they have an agenda. It's like walking into a different neighborhood. You're really not quite sure what the culte is. It's got such a distinct flavor, the reptilian being or beings that are present.

- "How about the scary element?" I asked. "What's the worst they could do?"

That's what it's about. It's the sense of the possibility that's so strange.

this quote seem to make DMT look negative,
but there's probably positive stories in it as well... so don't think it's "one fucked up drug" too soon.
maybe it is, but not necessarily :p


i've had the book for a while, but haven't read it so i can't tell u what i think about it.
now i'm reading some experiences in it, for the first time. :)

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i found the following page very interesting to read.
James Khan talks about his ayahuasca experience.

http://www.detoxifynow.com/ayahausca.html

[soglad]

I shall be doing some of this soon. I am looking forward to having my perception shattered and being left in a corner shivering with nothing.

Yay! :)

[dmt head]

Your friend's space pixies sounds like the "machine elves" McKenna talks about.

I guess your friend had some good connections to be able to get his hands on the stuff...

He doesnt think they were the machin elves, they were like young teenagers with PVC dresses on that glowed and they were driving this silver car and were so glad they found me, they were happy that I founhd them they were so beautiful just the opitamy of gorgeousness like seriously sexy ! and they were pleased that I found them so gorgeous, then they talked amongst themselves and said oh youll like this then and like mind melded with them and filled him with uncomprehendable amounts of love it was ridiculous! :) then he went with them and thats when the aliens started doing stuff to him, tho they kept reasurring me so I let them do it.

He was really paranoid afterwards but at the time when he came back he wa so happy just a few days later he started freaking, thinking what did they do, I posted this on www.dmt-nexus.com and people were saying oh could be dodgy, they didnt ask your permission sounds like they were rewiring your DNA an stuff, so that got him worried tho his friend said well these things maybe know what to do to help you, and knows what needs done, so hes changed his mind and went with the initial feeling afterwards it was bloody amazing !!! :D

[dmt head]

Good luck Soglad youll be so glad you did it! Really changed me!!

[dmt head]

a quote from rick strassmanns book DMT the spirit molecule.
it's a guy explaining his experience on DMT to rick strassman

this quote seem to make DMT look negative,
but there's probably positive stories in it as well... so don't think it's "one fucked up drug" too soon.
maybe it is, but not necesserarily :p


i've had the book for a while, but haven't read it so i can't tell u what i think about it.
now i'm reading some experiences in it, for the first time. :)

My friends encountered reptilians a few times the scariest one was when he could see a really tall horned shadowy being was jumping really quickly in fron of him like trying to intimidate him and he shut his eyes and all he could see was dodecahedrons morphing into more dodecahedrons, then he opened his eyes and it was still there but his whole body was covered in luminous space fleas with smiley eyes telling him not to worry about him the made high pitched noises and were very playful and friendly, was still unsettling though lol

The very next day this dodecahedron ( you use it for boosting) he won on an orgonite site arrived after weeks of waiting, it was as if this thing was trying to put me off my dodec, I asked on an orgonite site and they said yes they wont like people using them for good intent, sure he said you could use it for bad intent as well but im not going to do that obviously!

[tejas]

I would love to do this! Ive read Rick Straussmans book and am very curious.
Just have no idea how to get hold of the stuff!!!

[dmt head]

Should check out www.dmt-nexus.com and the extraction techs, sure marsfolds the easiest, you could pm you if your interested, im not sure exactly what tek my friends using someone showed him and hes getting good yields

[adimon]

I would love to do this! Ive read Rick Straussmans book and am very curious.
Just have no idea how to get hold of the stuff!!!

Try this place

http://www.salvia-divinorum-supplies.co.uk/products.php?id=5

I mixed Banisteriopsis Caapi with Peganum Harmala according to a recipe I found on the internet. I had a very looooong experience which was more or less an OBE. I drank the whole concoction quickly as it stank like hell and tasted even worse.

[dmt head]

Ive not yet had an orally active DMT experience yet tried and failed about 6-7 times, one time it kind of worked but nothing too strong, had the cappi working a couple of times but not strong again, waiting on 1.5kg of cappi and 250g of chacruna but plan on getting to know the vine really, I dont want to take both and neevr touch it again, the things ive read about cappi are amazing sounds like a great medicine !

[horseonwheels]

Another good and potent experience is Datura, but you better be carefull with it. Have had no succes with oral DMT consumption, but smoking it is intense. Pure water next to datura though, but then again, datura just might kill you.

[dmt head]

Id neevr go near that datura read some terrifying trip reports and is very dangerous, fuk taking that and not knowing whats real and what isnt sure thats what happens, tho Ive heard a few where people do use it, a guy in strassmans the spirit molecule would use it, he was an american indian shamen but thats the only positive thing ive read about it, have you tried it ? id love to hear your story if you have ?

[ashyr]

heh i shouldnt tell you guy this but me and my friend manipulated our realitys around us for the 3 days it lasts. we instead of bending to the will of it. bended to control it and manipulate our new found power.

i hav taken datura over 20 times. i do not recomend anyone take it unless your very strong in spirit. and in soul. otherwise she may kill you.
there is an entity inside the plant.

complete delusion. not illusion. in and out of reality all the time.

ill post you some of the most fucked up storys of trippin if anyone requests =D


btw my next ingestion should be dmt that would be awesome. =D ive been told its a 10 minute trip to alien las vegas.

[horseonwheels]

yeah i have several times. I will give you the first experience with it that i had, because i was so lucky. datura is a harsh mistress, and i was let off the hook, home free so to speak.

We have to go back some 12 years, and we where 3 freinds living on the country side being shit bored. The best we could come up with was smoking homegrown untill one day, one of the guys found a book called "forbid hallucinations? forbid nature!". In this book all the hallucinogen plants of scandinavia was listed, not neccerily native to scandinavia but plants that with some certainty could be found here. We started out smoking easterlilly buds, dont laugh its quite potent, but for heavens sake, dont eat them.

In this book the only plant that had a firm large bold WARNING! do not consume this unless you are absolutely 100% sure you know what youre doing punkass kid, was the datura. And for the same reason it was the only one without a picture of it. Anyway, obviously the 3 of us looked at eachother and said...thats the one innit?

I foundout what it looked like and one day on my way home from college i saw it right there at the bus stop. Its beutyful, but has a foul smell. So i took all the leafes that i could grab hold of and put in a bag. Curiosity was gettign the better of me, so while iw as waiting for the bus, i got a cup of tea from a stand, and put 3 leaves in there and mashed them up, stirred and downed it. I had about 1 hour ride home and here what happened

30 minutes into the bustrip i get drowsy, as in i feel so poisoned its not even funny. to my luck one of my mates was in the same fare, and instantly knew i was way off at that point, so he helped me to my house, all this i cant remember, he told me. My luck he was a farmer son who could lift a tractor on his back.

In my house i regain consciousness, only to fall down feeling that i now weigh atleast a ton. My mouth and throat is burning, not like smoking shit, kind of burning. no, this is hefty, and nothing seems to rid of it. I start hallucinating wildly and im sure im about to die, then suddenyl poof....its gone. nothing

I thought, that was some strange shit, i need a cuppa and i go out into my kitchen. As i enter the doorway im met by a 3 meter tall demon like chracter with hoofs and several glowing red eyes in his bluish face, we greet eachother in a freindly manner, im not the least surpriced to see him, but apparently he is that i see him because he jumjps and i feel he is looking at me with great suspicion.

Oh well, i offer him a cuppa and he seems to relax a bit, and as far as i reckal we then start talking about wind, weather...he had kids and a wife it would seem. snap...i sit in my chair in front of the tele that is turned of and i realise that im not looking through my eyes, im looking at my head from above, and there is people walking all over the place, comming threough the walls, the floor, any concept of 3 dimensions is completely broken. at first i see the room in 3d, but as i realise im not actually seing anytjhing with my eyes, this changes to something else. I see at all angles, all the times. I have a 360 degree views of the world.

Snap, im in the chair looking at and talking to a guy who is only halfway through my floor, im talking to a head and a torso, my vision is 3d again.

I go to the bathroom, snap, no i didnt, im still on the floor where my buddy left me. I get up quite confused to say the least, and decide that the right thing to do is go for a walk.

understand that i dont feel poisoned, i dont feel like im tripping. The world has just turned on me, and it is natural to me, not frightening at all, nor wierd. As i walk outside, i talk to several people who come and go out of thin air. When they are summoned they are as fysical as everything else, i can smell them, i can touch them and feel them physically. I see large hemp plants sprout 50 meters up in the air all of a sudden, and at another time i was looking at a cornfield, but it wasnt there anymore, something else was.
Something i had never seen, nor do i ahve the ability to describe it, but it was fucking ace to look at. Snap, im in the chair in me living room.

This crap goes on for 2 full days, and what wakes me up is that somehow i remembered i had to pick up a freind at the bus stop sp we could master some of his tracks, and on my way there, another mate pops up and were talking all the way there, i even tap him on his shoulders as freinds do like "dont be a fool mate, slap", and i feel him. So from a distance i can see the music freind, and the closer i get the more baffled he looks. and finally when i reach him he looks at me like i just fell out of the sky and asks "horse...who the fuck are you talking to?" and i turn around to intrduce the two to eachother, and get mighty pissed as my other freind left without atleast saying goodbye to me, this is where it strikes me that something is totally wierd here, and i tell me music freind what i did.

From there on i come back slowly, but for several days after i couldnt read any text unless i taped it to the wall and walked to the other end of the room. my vision and perspective was completely fucked up. As fucked up as the trip, didnt prevent me from doing it again several times thoug, and if you want to know sycronicity , try this out for size.

Being the yound dumbass i was, i put all the leaves in a pot of water and slowly boiled it down to a pint of green goo, and put it in a coke bottle and go to my mates (those with the book) house. I told them i was unsure of the potency of it, and told them what had happen to me on 2 leaves lightly crushed in a cuppa, so all of us took filled the lid of the bottle and poured that mount into a cuppa, and gone we were. Interresting, was that several times during this experience all of us, at the same time, spoke to the same freinds who just popped out of the air.

The last trip i had i died. I think i died phycially too for a short while, but i will never know for sure. that and i had some pretty wierd flashbacks now and then for the next 5-6 years, but they stopped. It took me another 5 years to decipher all the experiences, and im still working on that, but there is no doubt that it takes you places humans are not at all meant to go, and this is why people end up dead or batshit crazy from it. or as me and my freinds, we were kids, completely unspoiled in many ways, and we were shown some light stuff and let go. But my respect for datura is endless now. that stuff is some very serious stuff.

[dmt head]

Id love to hear your datura trip reports thatd be cool, and dmt is a trip to other dimensions with aliens and spirits who have sex with you physically and mentally! truly orgasmic!! :D

[dmt head]

yeah i have several times. I will give you the first experience with it that i had, because i was so lucky. datura is a harsh mistress, and i was let off the hook, home free so to speak.

We have to go back some 12 years, and we where 3 freinds living on the country side being shit bored. The best we could come up with was smoking homegrown untill one day, one of the guys found a book called "forbid hallucinations? forbid nature!". In this book all the hallucinogen plants of scandinavia was listed, not neccerily native to scandinavia but plants that with some certainty could be found here. We started out smoking easterlilly buds, dont laugh its quite potent, but for heavens sake, dont eat them.

In this book the only plant that had a firm large bold WARNING! do not consume this unless you are absolutely 100% sure you know what youre doing punkass kid, was the datura. And for the same reason it was the only one without a picture of it. Anyway, obviously the 3 of us looked at eachother and said...thats the one innit?

I foundout what it looked like and one day on my way home from college i saw it right there at the bus stop. Its beutyful, but has a foul smell. So i took all the leafes that i could grab hold of and put in a bag. Curiosity was gettign the better of me, so while iw as waiting for the bus, i got a cup of tea from a stand, and put 3 leaves in there and mashed them up, stirred and downed it. I had about 1 hour ride home and here what happened

30 minutes into the bustrip i get drowsy, as in i feel so poisoned its not even funny. to my luck one of my mates was in the same fare, and instantly knew i was way off at that point, so he helped me to my house, all this i cant remember, he told me. My luck he was a farmer son who could lift a tractor on his back.

In my house i regain consciousness, only to fall down feeling that i now weigh atleast a ton. My mouth and throat is burning, not like smoking shit, kind of burning. no, this is hefty, and nothing seems to rid of it. I start hallucinating wildly and im sure im about to die, then suddenyl poof....its gone. nothing

I thought, that was some strange shit, i need a cuppa and i go out into my kitchen. As i enter the doorway im met by a 3 meter tall demon like chracter with hoofs and several glowing red eyes in his bluish face, we greet eachother in a freindly manner, im not the least surpriced to see him, but apparently he is that i see him because he jumjps and i feel he is looking at me with great suspicion.

Oh well, i offer him a cuppa and he seems to relax a bit, and as far as i reckal we then start talking about wind, weather...he had kids and a wife it would seem. snap...i sit in my chair in front of the tele that is turned of and i realise that im not looking through my eyes, im looking at my head from above, and there is people walking all over the place, comming threough the walls, the floor, any concept of 3 dimensions is completely broken. at first i see the room in 3d, but as i realise im not actually seing anytjhing with my eyes, this changes to something else. I see at all angles, all the times. I have a 360 degree views of the world.

Snap, im in the chair looking at and talking to a guy who is only halfway through my floor, im talking to a head and a torso, my vision is 3d again.

I go to the bathroom, snap, no i didnt, im still on the floor where my buddy left me. I get up quite confused to say the least, and decide that the right thing to do is go for a walk.

understand that i dont feel poisoned, i dont feel like im tripping. The world has just turned on me, and it is natural to me, not frightening at all, nor wierd. As i walk outside, i talk to several people who come and go out of thin air. When they are summoned they are as fysical as everything else, i can smell them, i can touch them and feel them physically. I see large hemp plants sprout 50 meters up in the air all of a sudden, and at another time i was looking at a cornfield, but it wasnt there anymore, something else was.
Something i had never seen, nor do i ahve the ability to describe it, but it was fucking ace to look at. Snap, im in the chair in me living room.

This crap goes on for 2 full days, and what wakes me up is that somehow i remembered i had to pick up a freind at the bus stop sp we could master some of his tracks, and on my way there, another mate pops up and were talking all the way there, i even tap him on his shoulders as freinds do like "dont be a fool mate, slap", and i feel him. So from a distance i can see the music freind, and the closer i get the more baffled he looks. and finally when i reach him he looks at me like i just fell out of the sky and asks "horse...who the fuck are you talking to?" and i turn around to intrduce the two to eachother, and get mighty pissed as my other freind left without atleast saying goodbye to me, this is where it strikes me that something is totally wierd here, and i tell me music freind what i did.

From there on i come back slowly, but for several days after i couldnt read any text unless i taped it to the wall and walked to the other end of the room. my vision and perspective was completely fucked up. As fucked up as the trip, didnt prevent me from doing it again several times thoug, and if you want to know sycronicity , try this out for size.

Being the yound dumbass i was, i put all the leaves in a pot of water and slowly boiled it down to a pint of green goo, and put it in a coke bottle and go to my mates (those with the book) house. I told them i was unsure of the potency of it, and told them what had happen to me on 2 leaves lightly crushed in a cuppa, so all of us took filled the lid of the bottle and poured that mount into a cuppa, and gone we were. Interresting, was that several times during this experience all of us, at the same time, spoke to the same freinds who just popped out of the air.

The last trip i had i died. I think i died phycially too for a short while, but i will never know for sure. that and i had some pretty wierd flashbacks now and then for the next 5-6 years, but they stopped. It took me another 5 years to decipher all the experiences, and im still working on that, but there is no doubt that it takes you places humans are not at all meant to go, and this is why people end up dead or batshit crazy from it. or as me and my freinds, we were kids, completely unspoiled in many ways, and we were shown some light stuff and let go. But my respect for datura is endless now. that stuff is some very serious stuff.

Cool report thanks for sharing, dont think ill be hitting that sounds too fucked up! lol Ive had 360 degree vision on dmt but i was somehwere else not here lol

[horseonwheels]

heh i shouldnt tell you guy this but me and my friend manipulated our realitys around us for the 3 days it lasts. we instead of bending to the will of it. bended to control it and manipulate our new found power.

i hav taken datura over 20 times. i do not recomend anyone take it unless your very strong in spirit. and in soul. otherwise she may kill you.
there is an entity inside the plant.

complete delusion. not illusion. in and out of reality all the time.

ill post you some of the most fucked up storys of trippin if anyone requests =D


btw my next ingestion should be dmt that would be awesome. =D ive been told its a 10 minute trip to alien las vegas.

did you spend hours crawling around for dropped smokes too? I felt several times that i was smoking a cig or a joint, and then it was gone, so i was afraid i would set someting on fire. very strange that, i could FEEL the damn hash smoke in my lungs!!!

[ashyr]

did you spend hours crawling around for dropped smokes too?

hahahahhahaha i was about to ask this hahahaha yeah bro they get down to the but and burn your finger or u think u droped it so u go oh shit and your lookin on the floor infont of everyone going wtf are u doing. your like i dropped my smoke. then very quickly u just laugh out loud to yourself becuase youjust realised there was no smoke.

man when you say you died. its because you actyually were very close to it.

this is what shamans used to give there children in the days of crusading indians with infanticide. the kids were like a corpse. gone. wake up 3 days later trippin there tits off. but still alive.

ahahah yeah that ciggy thing cracks me up. it only happends to ppl who smoke.
whats more it man i cant be arsed sitting here and typing up what happend to me the 20 or so times ive tried it. after the 1st we figured out you could manipulate and bring on the IN OUT sense. u know when things just start to go before your eyes.

like me and my mate just sat there looking at a whole in the wall where the knife and fork drrawer was pulled out from. halucinating together that it was a cave and bats were flying out of it. so we figured shit u just need to talk out loud and share your experience and you find out your mates actually seeing the same shit.

man the DRYS' i cant stress enough. the crawl under a rock and die. onset of the waiting to be out of it. its the worst ever. most ppl go to bed and sleep it off. i hav done this many times when its been so terrible. the drys are lke sandpaper throat. u cant eat or drink anything its just dis satisfying.

i have a few solutions. 1 FORCE YOURSELF. yes force. drink 1-2 leters of water after ingestion her. also another thing is man that yuk gut feeling man no one wants that. i suggest when u get that goo. mix it with vaseline or something to make an ointment like they used to . and rub it on your wrists or something then u dont have the stomach thru your 3 day trip. first time is 3 days most ppl .for me anyway lol

i rmemeber we thought we were listing to hundres of albums. but it was White Zombie "Astrocreep2000" on repeat for 3 days. you cant read lol the blur its fucked up.

man i wont tell you of what happens when u have a shower on it. lol also hey i wont mention when u think hey i gotta go have a shower like the other time i did and walk 9 -10 miles in the pitch blak darkness to your mothers house, wake here up at 5 am and barge into the shower. cussing and yelling out talking to no one . talking to my invisible sisteers etc. my mothers like your halucinating there not there. your on the juice lol
hahahah


mad aye. but imagine being able to control it in a way. we could. it got very um.
unreal. reality became very unreal.

[ashyr]

ahhaha soryr i have to laugh again. the "droppin the ciggy thing" happens to everyone who smokes man. its funny as . u know that feeling when your tlaking to someone .and they disapear. and you realise your the one whos been talking out loud to yourself . how do u explain that feeling its like OMG im a freak lol, but i garantee 2 seconds later your oh well trying to tell you other mate how u looked so stupid talking out loud. yourdoing it again lol.

also. have u noticed the smell of her. she sings out to you in the street aye. u could be walking down the road anywhere she could be 3 k's away and she sings out to you . your head will always turn aye. like OOOOOOO . or EEEEEEEEEEEEEK! ther she is lol.

what kind did you take. THORN APPLE? BRUGMANSIA? DATURA?
most ppl dont know the difference. they think tis all datura. its not.

real datura is like a traffic like color flowers. brugmansia is the white HANG DOWNWARDS ones. datura doesnt hang down. brugmansia (cousin) does. and then theres thorn apple the (looks like a pufferfish) flower. u get the seeds or anypart that is aparently the best datura. execpt ive only ever seen 1 plant. most in my city's are brugmansia and datura. dont take that white one i never trip/halucinate only get the drys and stomach and shit. the trafficlight greenyellowred flowers r the ones =D your gone !!!

[horseonwheels]

the fist time, and the goo i made was from angel's trumpet (large red, yellow flowers hanging down) which became my 'fave', but i altso did thorn apple seeds couple of times.

its true, i can smell it from miles away now. That smell is unique and once you have 'bonded' it is like a former lovers parfume. it gives me the same sense of longing. But im done with the drugs, i dont want to poison myself anymore :)

[ashyr]

ahahha bro me and you are probably in the same boat here. no co in side ence.

yeah thats it . angels trumpet. couldnt rememebr the street name for it. only it looked like traffic lights. yeahthats my fav aswell. the only one to give the delusions. the others are more ill feelings. maybe i didnt have enough? lol
anyway. man you cheered me up today mentioning how much of a retards we must have looked, lol delusion freaks dropping invisible ciggys lol.

anyway. yeh im in a happymood now. cheers =D i think i woke up on the DAMN IM STILL HERE side of the bed.

That smell is unique and once you have 'bonded' it is like a former lovers parfume.
BRILLIANTLY PUT. coulndt put it better myself. u know what i mean though aye. its like a whislte with smell lol

[horseonwheels]

hehe our conversation had me go erowid, i think this best of all describes what other people see

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=29874

The person tripping is far gone, as in this example

-June Bug ate some before his family dinner. He was in my frend O'Dells basement smoking a bong. When he passed it, the basement and all the other people dissapeared and he was sitting at his dining room table, arm outstreched, while his family stared at him. He had to excuse himself from the table to lock himself in his bedroom.

---

I dont think anyone can appreciate how much of an idiot you feel like when you have those 'wake ups'. imagine that, being at a family dinner smoking an imaginative bong, trying to pass it on, only in the next moment to stare into your fathers confused eyes.

-"whats that son, you want more mince?"

[ashyr]

hahahahahahhahhahahahah from what my mother told me in her reaction to me being on it infront of her was similar except it made me think she thought you drink marijuana? or maybe secretly she knew the stuff?

[ashyr]

we should have posted our expieriences on erowid. that would make them laugh.!

[horseonwheels]

actually i think they would look at what i did with disgust. It was pure luck i didnt kill myself the first couple of times before i actually took the time to understand wtf i was doing.

on a sidenote, this is where i usually shopped for legal herbs http://www.ethnoplanet.com sorry if this breaks any rules, just let me know and ill remove it ASAP. They are not the cheapest on the net, but they always, and i mean ALWAYS have top quality stuff, and if they dont, they just tell you streight out. "No, dont go for the amanita's today mate, this batch is rubbish, im sending it back". Especially their dried cactii is interresting afaic

[dmt head]

Your storys sound crazzzyyy!! lol

Did you get a lot out of it ? Like did it change your views on things did it heal you or help you grow spiritually at all?

Sounds confusing and scary!

[horseonwheels]

definately it did, but it is such a task to make sense of it, and the flashbacks can be mean so i dont really reccomend it for others unless they are absolutely sure they know what they are in for.

its not a source of fun, it is far to intimidating for that. But it opens doors of perception that stays with you forever. I think many of the tales where people 'symbolically' die, or their ego does, to open the doors of perception may very well be linked to this kind of experience.

[dmt head]

Ahh I understand think ill steer clear though, I have thought id died on dmt and had complete ego loss and got soo much from those experiences, but im also still trying to make sense of these things, still think ill give the datura a miss though lol think ayas the way to go

[ashyr]

yes your right its by pure chance we didnt kill ourselves. but yet ive heard storys of ppl OD on datura and being pronounced ded and wake up in morge or in graveyard. some have even exumed corpses and found scratch marks inside coffins.

maybe your clinically dead. but the body is open and spirit/concoiusness is gone.

thats why i think it takes roughtly 7 years to exit your system i think. but yeah the perception shift of it is whacked!. its brutal and also scary. but at the same time. it makes you WISE UP. you can totally reprogramyourself on it. u can change things you dont like about it. but only if your really in control of it. andits realy hard to do.

[horseonwheels]

obviously mate, datura is altso known as zombie poison :D

[horseonwheels]

Ahh I understand think ill steer clear though, I have thought id died on dmt and had complete ego loss and got soo much from those experiences, but im also still trying to make sense of these things, still think ill give the datura a miss though lol think ayas the way to go

yeah excactly, similar experiences are avaible with less frightening dope. why not have a good experience and feeling while youre doing it. Datura offers no such thing, but on the other hand im altso fairly sure it is unique in what it offers. Problem being, a lot of people go batshit crazy on it, far more people than on lsd, dmt, yaje etc...so it may be unique, but is it really worth it with DMT readily avaible? im not sure i think so, but that should prevent others from doing it, if they understand what they are getting in to, and i cannot stress this enough. We were lucky

[dmt head]

Think you two were lucky, your the only two people ive read well part from the guy in strassmans book, that took it more than once, I read loads of reports and everyone was like never again ! lol you two must be righ hard heads lol

[tb303]

If you can afford it and fancy a holiday as well as drinking Ayahuasca, then I can recommend these guys:

http://www.heartoftheinitiate.com/

Lovely place, lovely people, lovely trip :)

[horseonwheels]

Think you two were lucky, your the only two people ive read well part from the guy in strassmans book, that took it more than once, I read loads of reports and everyone was like never again ! lol you two must be righ hard heads lol

no, i think im more like...an idiot for not "getting it" the first time. but the lady forgave a dumb kid, thank God :D

[seer74]

I have used DMT a thousand times (years ago) as well as many, MANY other both naturally occuring and synthetic psychedelic "mind expanding" drugs DMT like all of them can provide a temporary (and often quite profound) doorway to the Infinite, they are a shortcut that I abandoned in favor of meditation long AGO. My take on this is explained in the Salvia thread on the Matrix/ Nature of reality FORUM. I will add here that meditation is also a shortcut, though not AS short of a cut which I will likewise cease to need in "time"; and sugggest the same to you all.

INFINITY NOW, IS ALREADY OURS, WE NEED NO "TOOLS" "DISCIPLINES" OR "PROCESSES" WAKE THE FUCK UP NOW!!!!!!!

[lizzy]

Should check out www.dmt-nexus.com and the extraction techs, sure marsfolds the easiest, you could pm you if your interested, im not sure exactly what tek my friends using someone showed him and hes getting good yields
what an amazing site. Thank U.

[ashyr]

yeah thats what the alcohol drug rehab person said. he never hada conversation with 1 person who has come back from 1 times takin datura. my friend was like shit should i tell him ive had it more than 30X lol

yeah the lady obviously didnt destroy us. i think she was kind =D

[dmt head]

I have used DMT a thousand times (years ago) as well as many, MANY other both naturally occuring and synthetic psychedelic "mind expanding" drugs DMT like all of them can provide a temporary (and often quite profound) doorway to the Infinite, they are a shortcut that I abandoned in favor of meditation long AGO. My take on this is explained in the Salvia thread on the Matrix/ Nature of reality FORUM. I will add here that meditation is also a shortcut, though not AS short of a cut which I will likewise cease to need in "time"; and sugggest the same to you all.

INFINITY NOW, IS ALREADY OURS, WE NEED NO "TOOLS" "DISCIPLINES" OR "PROCESSES" WAKE THE FUCK UP NOW!!!!!!!


Was talking bout this in a masonic dmt thread and well with meditation you cant go, ah ill have a dmt experience today and tomorrow maybe ill have a salvia experience, but I see your point about the infinite. And isnt meditation a process?? easy to say wake the fuck up now but how many actually have after hearing something like that ?

[seer74]

I wouldn't want to attack anyone's freedom of speech on here (of all places)
But think about something a moment. Suppose you were new to the kinds of information discussed on this forum. Suppose ALL you knew about mind-altering substances was the offficial line. Now your looking at all the information, your digesting it, decideing wether the Illuminati and NWO are real. Then you see people discussing their drug experiences.

get my drift?

i don't want to be a thought police or anything, but I'm concerned about "newbies" getting the wrong idea.

[seer74]

and for the record, yes, certain kinds of substances can unlock doors in the mind, provide glimpses beyond the matrix. I have used them b4 and I do NOT condemn their use. But I do think there is a better way, its called meditation.

[dmt head]

:confused:I wouldn't want to attack anyone's freedom of speech on here (of all places)
But think about something a moment. Suppose you were new to the kinds of information discussed on this forum. Suppose ALL you knew about mind-altering substances was the offficial line. Now your looking at all the information, your digesting it, decideing wether the Illuminati and NWO are real. Then you see people discussing their drug experiences.

get my drift?

i don't want to be a thought police or anything, but I'm concerned about "newbies" getting the wrong idea.


Do you mean newbies getting the wrong idea about mind altering substances, drugs?? I dont think DMT is a drug I think its a conciousness technology although with the smoked stuff is very unpredicatable and fast and wouldnt recommend it to people at all, well actually I would but only if they had done lots of research and came to their own conclusions whether it was the right thing for them. It really is life changing stuff! And I still cant get my head round how you could possibly meet loving entitys in space who bring you love and gifts and help you through meditation. Though on the flip side you can meet negative entitys that could do not so nice things to you, as I said it is unpredictable, and you probably wouldnt come across the negative ones through meditation, but even the negative ones ive encountered afterwards ive felt ive faced them and they didnt win, though tbh I still dont know what im dealing with and I dont think many people do but afterwards its always a positive experience, but still :confused:

[rossus]

and for the record, yes, certain kinds of substances can unlock doors in the mind, provide glimpses beyond the matrix. I have used them b4 and I do NOT condemn their use. But I do think there is a better way, its called meditation.
yup :)
I dont think DMT is a drug I think its a conciousness technology
reminds me of my stoner buddies who say "weed isn't a drug"
i think DMT is a drug, but so is caffeine and sugar.:p It really is life changing stuff!
can you tell us, how exactly does tripping on DMT make your life better?
i think psychedelics can give people a fun time and a spiritual experience...

but sadly the effect doesn't last very long...
and before you know it you're back to plain old soberness.

because of this,
many people get addicted to mushrooms, cannabis etc... and can't appreciate sobriety.

perhaps they don't know it possible to experience a strong feeling of happiness sober?
through "meditation" for example
... you can do meditation for every second of your life... while working.. walking.. or anything else... :)



no matter the amount of pleasure one has... be it sex or substance induced spiritual experiences...
it is never enough... it never lasts... more is needed.
that's why i think it's important to find inside your heart... a permanent happiness you can always count upon.

when you have found that, then you can still have pleasure but you are no longer dependent on it,
as you know it is not really important...

[seer74]

actually I have had visions and extra-dimensional experiences of ALL sorts during meditative states.

and the "wrong idea" that I'm concerned about is that people who ALREADY have their mind made up about drugs, that they may think the people on this forum are just a bunch of crazy trippers with drug-induced fantasies.

[seer74]

yup :)

reminds me of my stoner buddies who say "weed isn't a drug"
i think DMT is a drug, but so is caffeine and sugar.:p
can you tell us, how exactly does tripping on DMT make your life better?
i think psychedelics can give people a fun time and a spiritual experience...

but sadly the effect doesn't last very long...
and before you know it you're back to plain old soberness.

thank you, rossus:cool:

[dmt head]

can you tell us, how exactly does tripping on DMT make your life better?
i think psychedelics can give people a fun time and a spiritual experience

It made my life better by the complete destruction of my ego, when ive smoked it, tho you feel it build up over time but your more aware of your false ego, it also made me a much better person, im a lot more concious of my health and what I put in my body im a lot more considerate of others, a lot of my bullshit ego I used to have, even 6 months ago isnt there anymore. And it only lasts 5- 10 minutes so its nothing to do with being high its about learning and seeing things differently and ive integrated these experiences into my life in a positive way Its in the plain old sobreness state when you most feel the benefits.


and the "wrong idea" that I'm concerned about is that people who ALREADY have their mind made up about drugs, that they may think the people on this forum are just a bunch of crazy trippers with drug-induced fantasies.

Ive not already made my mind up im constantly learning and plan to continue on this path thats just me, using it in a sense of evolving spiritually and healing myself not just to get fucked up, its bigger than that, though I do want to learn meditation but im still going to USE these things because they benefit me greatly, but thats me.

[seer74]

It made my life better by the complete destruction of my ego, when ive smoked it, tho you feel it build up over time but your more aware of your false ego, it also made me a much better person, im a lot more concious of my health and what I put in my body im a lot more considerate of others, a lot of my bullshit ego I used to have, even 6 months ago isnt there anymore. And it only lasts 5- 10 minutes so its nothing to do with being high its about learning and seeing things differently and ive integrated these experiences into my life in a positive way Its in the plain old sobreness state when you most feel the benefits.




Ive not already made my mind up im constantly learning and plan to continue on this path thats just me, using it in a sense of evolving spiritually and healing myself not just to get fucked up, its bigger than that, though I do want to learn meditation but im still going to USE these things because they benefit me greatly, but thats me.

I don't mean you. I mean others who have and read this thread. Do YOU want them to think our ideas are drug-induced fantasy?

[rossus]

hmm, you are right.

mushrooms, lsd or DMT can give such spiritual experience so that the love
you feel is so immense you totally dissapear into it and every molecule is love. :)

once you have experienced this pure love,
you know that is what we live for and this changes you permanently as you will never forget it.

so i can definately see the value entheogenic substances have.
but there is a difference in remembering the spiritual experience...
and actually experiencing it here and now...

Blessed are the Pure in Heart, for they shall see GOD. - jesus

i think there is only two ways to experience this pure spiritual truth (which is love)
and it is :

the substance way
using a substance works pretty nicely and it seems this is probably the reason why plants like ayahuasca and mushrooms exist.
unfortunately, the effect is only temporarily and you only "see god" while under the influence of the substance...

as the effect wears off, the strenght in which you experience this divine love decreases considerably. so this is why,
you need to dose again everytime you want to experience it.

the sober way
be pure, like when under influence of the substance...
but without having to have taken the substance.

i think after tripping, automatically you come back a bit purified...
but to feel the love strongly inside your heart... you need to be pure all the way.

and to be pure all the way... some kind of conscious effort is to be made.
the best way i find to do this is to be the love that i am... (which can also be described as "meditation", like in my signature)

if you (dmt head) or other people have an opinion about this then i'd love to hear it :)

[tejas]

I dont think it is a good idea to be bad-mouthing these drugs. Yes they are temporary experiences, but it only takes one small event in your life, which can last mere milliseconds, to have a profound life changing effect.

I really dislike it when people say 'I prefer meditation' or whatever. Yes if you have to time to meditate for years on end, I have heard of many people who have medidtated for over 20-30+ years and not have a single life changing experience.

These are all tools, it is up to the user to define which is better and which is worse.

In the end even meditation is merely an action in the physical and thusly irrelevant to the spiritual transition. On certain drugs you can reach states that you couldn't on mere meditation alone.

I am not saying meditation is inferior, I am just saying that for a multitude of experiences and information to be gained a multitude of different paths must be taken.

Certainly once you have gained all you can from a certain drug experience there is no need to continue it, but there is absolutely no need to dissuade people from taking this course of action.

By understanding these drugs, we can understand how the body on a physical level can communicate with these different realms.

If you read DMT: The Spirit Molecule you will recall the part where Dr Straussman draws links between drug experiences and meditative experiences and the astonishingly similar descriptions between the two.

DMT in particular is a natural substance that occurs in virtually every organism and has been found in our own brain. It is very possible that it is this drug that causes spiritual experiences in those that meditate for extended periods of time anyway. So one really does have to ask, does the means really matter in light of the ends?

Both methods culminate in the absoption of DMT by the brain, one is extrinsic the other is intrinsic but does that really matter?

If we are all one, surely it is our right to be able to experience this ONENESS without having to sweat blood for it? Surely we should be able to have it as a part of our daily waking lives without having to work for it?

Why should we have to work for what we are? I am not being lazy in saying this, I like anyone here has spent countless hours thinking, meditating, researching the truth, and for what?

We are ONENESS, it should be our natural state, not something that we have to work at to achieve.

[rossus]

I have heard of many people who have medidtated for over 20-30+ years and not have a single life changing experience.
then why have they been doing it for so long, and how do they keep their motivation? :eek:
sounds to me they have a really bad meditation technique,
because meditation can be lifechanging immediately... and over the course of a year it can already give extremely good results.

So one really does have to ask, does the means really matter in light of the ends?
well yes, because in one mean you are dependent on substance and the other not. one is temporary, other is permanent.
but perhaps it is true that the kind of enlightenment meditation brings,
is different than that a psychedelic can give.

Why should we have to work for what we are?
We are ONENESS, it should be our natural state, not something that we have to work at to achieve.
that's true goddamnit, why does it have to be so difficult.
life should be like a candyflip :p

and you're right, psychedelic substances can be great tools which definitely have their place
and if i have badmouthed them here it wasn't my intention :)

[tejas]

then why have they been doing it for so long, and how do they keep their motivation?
sounds to me they have a really bad meditation technique,
because meditation can be lifechanging immediately... and over the course of a year it can already give extremely good results.

You are right, I do not know, all my evidence is anecdotal im afraid, but it is most definitely a fear. The important thing to realise about meditation is that it is a form of hypnosis essentially the mind is in a very suggestible state of mind, and it is possible from this state to reprogram the mind to see what it is programmed to see. In my experience this is how certain hindu ascetics can see the avatars like kali or vishnu or whatever because they have the image in their head and the mind makes it real. Does this mean that it is real? It only exists in their minds?

well yes, because in one mean you are dependent on substance and the other not. one is temporary, other is permanent.
but perhaps it is true that the kind of enlightenment meditation brings,
is different than that a psychedelic can give.


I agree with you entirely in this point, yes one is dependant on yourself, the other is external source. One is temporary the other can be permanent. However in light of the experience itself, whether permanent or transient, intrinsic or extrinsic, in my opinion the means do not matter. The end-point is still achieved.

Also as a side note, it is interesting to realise that this hypnagogic state (the scientific term for a person under meditation) is perfect for creating mind-thought patterns that are permenant or long lasting, does that make them any more or less true? You are programming yourself to believe in a certain emotion, so does that make the emotion true?

that's true goddamnit, why does it have to be so difficult.
life should be like a candyflip


:P I hope you are not being sarcastic because I was being serious! :P
Why shouldn't life be easy? Why shouldn't it be enjoyable? Is it really neccessary for us to have to live a waking hell? Why can't it be an experience of divine expression? Why does it have to be filled with so much pain? Why does something that we apparently already are only come with so much hard work and dedication.

Please understand, I am not trying to be lazy. If someone told me the way to true oneness and I was 110% certain that this was definately the way I would sell everything I have, and loose everything I am to find it.

But the fact that this apparent oneness only comes through a form of mind-programming makes me skeptical.

and you're right, psychedelic substances can be great tools which definitely have their place
and if i have badmouthed them here it wasn't my intention

:) It was meant more of a general comment directed at everyone then anyone in particular. :cool:

[seer74]

I am not trying to bad-mouth or put down these substances OR those who use them I have used them before myself. I am mostly concerned with people becoming dependant on something outside of themselves for the spiritual awareness that really comes from within,

and ESPECIALLY with the possibility that this type of discussion could give people new to this forum the idea that all the ideas on this forum are drug-induced fantasy.

[carlg1212]

"and felt so beneficial hes encountered loads of beautiful benevolant spirits and some not so !! :eek: lol

Tell you friend it's much easier to control drugged-out peasants. Can he focus on survival while fucked up while this piece of shit is banging on the door?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/291105police.jpg

[tejas]

I am not trying to bad-mouth or put down these substances OR those who use them I have used them before myself. I am mostly concerned with people becoming dependant on something outside of themselves for the spiritual awareness that really comes from within,

and ESPECIALLY with the possibility that this type of discussion could give people new to this forum the idea that all the ideas on this forum are drug-induced fantasy.

Understood. Please let me re-iterate that I was not aiming this at anyone in particular, rather the idea itself.

I totally agree with you, you should not become dependant on anything but yourself.

[rossus]

You are right, I do not know, all my evidence is anecdotal im afraid, but it is most definitely a fear. The important thing to realise about meditation is that it is a form of hypnosis essentially the mind is in a very suggestible state of mind, and it is possible from this state to reprogram the mind to see what it is programmed to see. In my experience this is how certain hindu ascetics can see the avatars like kali or vishnu or whatever because they have the image in their head and the mind makes it real. Does this mean that it is real? It only exists in their minds?
well i think, there's a difference between meditation & meditation.
i think too when certain hindu ascetics see the avatars, it is because their mind makes it real...
i don't know what the hell they are doing when they see shiva in action... or channel jesus or pleiadians..

but the meditation like in my signature consists of absolutely no imagining at all. :p
u don't get into a state of trance or hypnosis, you become more aware than ever... the most sober state of mind possible.
You are programming yourself to believe in a certain emotion, so does that make the emotion true?
nono, enlightenment as in "meditation" is not believing in emotion or thought.
it is what remains when there is no longer belief in any thought or concept.
pure awareness.

and this awareness is unidentified with anything.
i call this the real self, because it is the only thing which remains when i stop believing in it.

when i stop believing there's a reason to feel bad, i don't feel bad.
when i stop believing i am this body, then i'm not longer a prisoner of the body...
so when there is hunger, i am not hungry.
when there is pain, i am not in pain.

& this awareness (which i could call true-self)
it is never bored... it is never in pain.. it never wants pleasure...
it is never unhappy...

so realizing you are awareness, is good way to make life much less a hell.
as it is always happy, no matter what. http://cache.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_love_heart.gif

i think that true-self is what was meant with the jesus quote "those who are pure in heart, shall see god"...
those who know their true-self... shall see how we are never in prison.. or hell.

but those who don't want to accept the truth that they are litterally no-thing...
because they want something more... like lucifer.. they fall from heaven...
and as they believe they are a body... they will experience the "good" (pleasure) but also the "bad" (pain) imagined feelings of that belief.

[seer74]

Tell you friend it's much easier to control drugged-out peasants. Can he focus on survival while fucked up while this piece of shit is banging on the door?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/november2005/291105police.jpg

not that I'm all anti-drug (or 100% pro-drug for that matter drugs can be good and drugs can be bad), but thanks for giveing everybody some assurance we're not "just all on drugs" :)

[carlg1212]

not that I'm all anti-drug (or 100% pro-drug for that matter drugs can be good and drugs can be bad), but thanks for giveing everybody some assurance we're not "just all on drugs" :)

It's all about moderation. I smoke weed occassionally, probably once a month...it's 100% natural and the effects are easily manageable. Music sounds cool and sex is awesome.

But most people I know overdo it. Weed becomes an everyday, all-day thing. Hence, the paranoia.

[seer74]

It's all about moderation. I smoke weed occassionally, probably once a month...it's 100% natural and the effects are easily manageable. Music sounds cool and sex is awesome.

But most people I know overdo it. Weed becomes an everyday, all-day thing. Hence, the paranoia.

right, doesn't have to be a big deal with some self-control, and some moderation, etc. and yes, I cite freedom of choice etc. your personal compsumption is your own business yes, YES. But what does the public think about "drugs" and how many people do you know that ALREADY think our ideas are all drug-induced delusions? I don't want the people who may come onto the forum new to our ideas to read the threads and say to themselves "these people are all just "tripping out" these ideas are all drug- induced craziness"

therefore I take issue with the presence of threads who's whole subject matter is who's tried this drug or that drug.

[dmt head]

hmm, you are right.

mushrooms, lsd or DMT can give such spiritual experience so that the love
you feel is so immense you totally dissapear into it and every molecule is love. :)

once you have experienced this pure love,
you know that is what we live for and this changes you permanently as you will never forget it.

so i can definately see the value entheogenic substances have.
but there is a difference in remembering the spiritual experience...
and actually experiencing it here and now...



i think there is only two ways to experience this pure spiritual truth (which is love)
and it is :

the substance way
using a substance works pretty nicely and it seems this is probably the reason why plants like ayahuasca and mushrooms exist.
unfortunately, the effect is only temporarily and you only "see god" while under the influence of the substance...

as the effect wears off, the strenght in which you experience this divine love decreases considerably. so this is why,
you need to dose again everytime you want to experience it.

the sober way
be pure, like when under influence of the substance...
but without having to have taken the substance.

i think after tripping, automatically you come back a bit purified...
but to feel the love strongly inside your heart... you need to be pure all the way.

and to be pure all the way... some kind of conscious effort is to be made.
the best way i find to do this is to be the love that i am... (which can also be described as "meditation", like in my signature)

if you (dmt head) or other people have an opinion about this then i'd love to hear it :)

I agree with what you say but you can get fast results without years of meditation although these fast results have led me to meditation. I downloaded your mp3 file and it was a great help, im going to practice it with that, I also wanted to go to a hare chrisna meetings but got put off cos I know they just try to convert but I plan on going and saying look Im not going to become a hare chrishna, I read one of their books and it came across as aonther do this dont do that prison religion which put me off, but it is the closest thing religion ive heard thats similiar to ickes ideas so itll be interesting to see if they will help me with meditation techniques.

I do rememeber a lot of what happened and these entitys filled me with love ive never experienced before it was :eek::D:):cool: lol and It has stayed with me forever, not like mushrooms this was way beyond!

Yes seer I dont want people to think the topics on here are drug enduced fantasys, far from it just what got me into the DMT was ickes ayahuasca, like hed say you can beleive your the one but you might not KNOW it, and think DMT proved to me that I am an infinite soul, still not had the aya yet though but I beleive I am the one.

heres a couple of links, im not dissing meditation whatsoever its the one thing I want to practice just have to get rid of my impatience and focus, and doubt that would have happened if it wasnt for certain psychoactives

the first one is about a grandmothers experience on ayahuasca and quite fitting to this topic
http://forums.ayahuasca.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=16103

this is terrence mckenna talkn bout psychedelics and meditation
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

njoi

[tejas]

well i think, there's a difference between meditation & meditation.
i think too when certain hindu ascetics see the avatars, it is because their mind makes it real...
i don't know what the hell they are doing when they see shiva in action... or channel jesus or pleiadians..

but the meditation like in my signature consists of absolutely no imagining at all. :p
u don't get into a state of trance or hypnosis, you become more aware than ever... the most sober state of mind possible.

nono, enlightenment as in "meditation" is not believing in emotion or thought.
it is what remains when there is no longer belief in any thought or concept.
pure awareness.

and this awareness is unidentified with anything.
i call this the real self, because it is the only thing which remains when i stop believing in it.

when i stop believing there's a reason to feel bad, i don't feel bad.
when i stop believing i am this body, then i'm not longer a prisoner of the body...
so when there is hunger, i am not hungry.
when there is pain, i am not in pain.

& this awareness (which i could call true-self)
it is never bored... it is never in pain.. it never wants pleasure...
it is never unhappy...

so realizing you are awareness, is good way to make life much less a hell.
as it is always happy, no matter what. http://cache.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_love_heart.gif

i think that true-self is what was meant with the jesus quote "those who are pure in heart, shall see god"...
those who know their true-self... shall see how we are never in prison.. or hell.

but those who don't want to accept the truth that they are litterally no-thing...
because they want something more... like lucifer.. they fall from heaven...
and as they believe they are a body... they will experience the "good" (pleasure) but also the "bad" (pain) imagined feelings of that belief.

Very nice rossus, I also tried your meditation last night, very liberating just to let go :)

[seer74]

well i think, there's a difference between meditation & meditation.
i think too when certain hindu ascetics see the avatars, it is because their mind makes it real...
i don't know what the hell they are doing when they see shiva in action... or channel jesus or pleiadians..

but the meditation like in my signature consists of absolutely no imagining at all. :p
u don't get into a state of trance or hypnosis, you become more aware than ever... the most sober state of mind possible.

nono, enlightenment as in "meditation" is not believing in emotion or thought.
it is what remains when there is no longer belief in any thought or concept.
pure awareness.

and this awareness is unidentified with anything.
i call this the real self, because it is the only thing which remains when i stop believing in it.

when i stop believing there's a reason to feel bad, i don't feel bad.
when i stop believing i am this body, then i'm not longer a prisoner of the body...
so when there is hunger, i am not hungry.
when there is pain, i am not in pain.

& this awareness (which i could call true-self)
it is never bored... it is never in pain.. it never wants pleasure...
it is never unhappy...

so realizing you are awareness, is good way to make life much less a hell.
as it is always happy, no matter what. http://cache.hyves-static.net/images/smilies/default/smiley_love_heart.gif

i think that true-self is what was meant with the jesus quote "those who are pure in heart, shall see god"...
those who know their true-self... shall see how we are never in prison.. or hell.

but those who don't want to accept the truth that they are litterally no-thing...
because they want something more... like lucifer.. they fall from heaven...
and as they believe they are a body... they will experience the "good" (pleasure) but also the "bad" (pain) imagined feelings of that belief.

well put. And this pure being is something that I've experienced on drugs, but every time it is rudely interrupted; explodes into a fury manifestations and mechanism dragging me screaming back into the matrix. When I meditate, however, I sense that I am able to stay that way forever and (when its "time") someday will, and a gentle, loving voice tells me I have a mission to fulfill in the matrix and here I am, still serenely aware of what I really am.

[rossus]

hare chrishna, I read one of their books and it came across as aonther do this dont do that prison religion which put me off
yea they seem legit,
and there's truth in their spirituality... but it is mixed with lies... so it has become another religious belief trap.
to see if they will help me with meditation techniques.
well there is hundreds of sorts of meditation and one will say it's like this, the other say it's like that... but it is way different as in my signature.
i think in my signature is the only meditation that you cannot do... it simply is.
you dissolve in to the reality of here and now... the illusion dissolves into love.

all other meditation is activity, a kind of meditation you can "do".
with these kind of meditation the personality doesn't dissolve, but stays active.
but I beleive I am the one.
i think "i believe i am god" is another belief trap.

you can run around believing you are a little me, or running around believe you are god...
but what difference does it make... if you don't really know it inside your heart?

if the love is not alive?
for the love to be alive, you need not believe anything...
just be pure. :)

[tejas]

Do you have any other guided meditations like that?

[supertzar]

they were like young teenagers with PVC dresses on that glowed and they were driving this silver car and were so glad they found me, they were happy that I founhd them they were so beautiful just the opitamy of gorgeousness like seriously sexy ! and they were pleased that I found them so gorgeous, then they talked amongst themselves and said oh youll like this then and like mind melded with them and filled him with uncomprehendable amounts of love it was ridiculous!

That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard! Confusing that you use first person sometimes, though. If it was you, why pretend it wasn't?

[rossus]

Do you have any other guided meditations like that?
no,
but the purpose of meditation is to realize that you are here.
you - love - life - is here.

usually people are too caught up in thought, to know this.
so they experience unhappiness.

and they seek for a solution to treat the symptoms of the unhappiness
in entertainment, pleasure & egodrama...

instead of removing the cause:
which is to simply stop believing that what is here is not enough.
stop doing.. stop trying.... you are here.. now :)

if you want more guidance,
you might want to read The Diamond in Your Pocket by Gangaji (for helping you warm up)
and afterwards I am That by Nisargadatta (to go full speed. you might find it difficult to go full speed without warmup first :) )

i found reading the diamond in your pocket, put my mind at rest... just like that guided meditation mp3 file... but even better :)
the book can be previewed @ amazon.com

[dmt head]

I sense that I am able to stay that way forever and (when its "time") someday will, and a gentle, loving voice tells me I have a mission to fulfill in the matrix and here I am, still serenely aware of what I really am.

Do you know what your mission is ? lol

i think "i believe i am god" is another belief trap

Good point, but I do think everything is an expression of oneness/god as Icke says, every atom everything, so in that sense I am the little guy and god or just God lol

That is one of the most beautiful things I have ever heard! Confusing that you use first person sometimes, though. If it was you, why pretend it wasn't?

It was one of the most beautiful things thats ever happened to me, beyond ! :) And it was me just force of habit on drug forums where you cant incriminate, with a name like mines as well lol:rolleyes:

Oh and cheers for the Diamond pocket heads up rossus, ordered it last night, sounds well cool. :D

Has anyone here heard of brain generators, seem people talking bout them on here and downloaded it but didnt really give it a proper bash, heard some people saying bad things about it and it did make sense how its literally changing your brainwaves sort of artificial I suppose.

[ichi wa zen]

The only true path to enlightenment is meditating. Not drugs.

[rossus]

The only true path to enlightenment is meditating. Not drugs.
have you ever taken Mushrooms or Ayahuasca ?

i think everyone who has had a strong spiritual experience on entheogenic substances,
knows that what is experienced is not a hallucination.

there's nothing fake about the state these entheogenic substances can help you reach,
and they have undoubtedly helped many people be happier.. and be more in touch with their own divinity.

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i absolutely love meditation (jnana yoga) and experience the positive effects each second of the day...
but i am beginning to think that the states these plants can help you reach... cannot be reached by meditation alone.

the enlightenment of meditation to me is feeling happiness and love inside the heart all the time... no matter what.
so i am in a continuous state of happiness. i could compare it like being on earth with god.

but the enlightenment that entheogenic substances can help you reach, is like no longer being on earth... but being in heaven with god.

the enlightenment of entheogenic substances last as long as the effect on the body (so it is temporary)
the enlightenment of meditation is last as long as you are aware of yourself. (so it it can be permanent)

[ichi wa zen]

the enlightenment of entheogenic substances last as long as the effect on the body (so it is temporary)
the enlightenment of meditation is last as long as you are aware of yourself. (so it it can be permanent)

This is what i meant, we share the same thoughts. Yes you can experience The Infinite All but only temporary, after the drugs are gone, so too is your enlightenment.

True enlightenment is infinite, not bounded by "time", so temporary experienced enlightenment is not the real thing other than that short time your experiencing it.

I have tried mushrooms and saw great things, but after it was over it didnt change me completely and permanently, it made me more openminded but still no true enlightenment. I reached that through meditation.

If you say drugs take you to a higher state of being than meditation than your meditation is not good.

[rossus]

i think i get great effects with a "meditative lifestyle" after only 1 year,
but the strength of enlightenment seem to be intensified a lot under the influence of entheogenic plants,
although it is only temporary.

can you explain to me,
how did you experience the enlightenment under influence of the plants...
and how do you experience the enlightenment of meditation.



maybe you did not get a good breakthrough during your experience with the entheogenic substance,
and were only seeing visuals and having expanded thought?

because the heights of where entheogenic substance can help you get are much higher than that.
i doubt this height can be reached sober, and i doubt there is higher heights than that!

maybe i'm wrong. if i am, i'd love to know...
why i experience the "entheogenic high" as much stronger than the effect of meditation. :o

[ichi wa zen]

My friend, every person has infinite wisdom/love/enlightenment within himself. We dont need substances that are not naturally within ourselves to be able to realize this. If you say one would need substances to attain this state would imply that our infinite self is imperfect, which simply is not true. Its infinite perfection!

It doesnt really matter what i experienced, it was only 1% of what i am experiencing now without the use of any substances, only meditation.

I think you should try some other form of meditation which i think is the cause of you not being able to experience your true infinite self but only a fraction of it.

[rossus]

what kind of meditation would you suggest?
and how long should i practice to get good results?

the best meditation i found,
is that of people like Nisargadatta and Ramana Maharshi.

[ichi wa zen]

I suggest you try Zazen. Look it up online.

How long it would take you to reach the same "heights" as i did?
I do not know, each person has to walk his own path, but when you are there you will realize it yourself!

PS i havent reach any "heights" only pure infinite contentment! :D

[rossus]

i havent reach any "heights" only pure infinite contentment! :D
well i have reached that as well.
what i'm doing is much the same as zazen, for over a year now.
i have found that i can be happy and blissfull all the time, no matter what.

but the feeling i remember from when i was still using Entheogenic drugs,
is even more infinite... than the infinite contenment from meditation. :p

[ichi wa zen]

Maybe when you did DMT, you experienced Nirvana. That state cannot be attained while you have a body, which is the cause of all suffering.

If you have infinite contentment there is nothing more out there, is there, for it is infinite contentment!

[rossus]

i'm not talking about DMT, but strong trips on entheogenic mushrooms. (which have a lot in common with ayahuasca or DMT "trips")

to me so far... meditation is infinite contenment in a straight line...
and this line goes through the core of every experience and every feeling,
how "negative" or "positive" that may be... the light of awareness shines happiness (and truth) on it.

but when under influence of entheogenic substances,
it is like there is no longer any "negative" left... there is only a extremely strong feeling of pure love.
much like meditation, but so strong it blows anything away completely.... definately a "height". :p

in my sober meditative state of being, perhaps the love is just as strong...
but it is experienced more subtle... not like a blissfull explosion of reality.

[ichi wa zen]

I never have negative feelings anymore and always a feeling of infinite happiness. Sorta like the effect of XTC only times 1.000.000. all through meditating.

Even if you have meditated Zazen, there is still a chance you might be doing it wrong. You should go to a Zen monastery and find out if you are doing it right. Many people are out there meditating and think they are doing it right while they are not. A teacher can tell if you are. Try go and see one.

Anyone who has meditated doing it right, will never reach for substances again for they know its not the real thing or even close to it.

[rossus]

ok thanks for your advice.
maybe i go visit a monastery and have a talk with a teacher.
are there any in belgium or in holland (preferably the south)?
Maybe when you did DMT, you experienced Nirvana. That state cannot be attained while you have a body, which is the cause of all suffering.

If you have infinite contentment there is nothing more out there, is there, for it is infinite contentment!
so you don't experience nirvana right now ?
you are only experiencing infinite contenment?

because if that is the case, it could very well be we are both experiencing "infinite contenment"...
and Nirvana is something for when the body is dead... or when Entheogenic substances are being used.
Sorta like the effect of XTC only times 1.000.000. all through meditating.
wow :p what i experience is sorta like the effect of XTC,
but not times 1.000.000

times 1.000.000 would be, what i have experienced on substances like mushrooms.
when every last wall that limits my perception has fallen to the ground.

[ichi wa zen]

There are zenmonasteries in Holland & Belgium, but i wouldnt know about them because i went to Japan :D

Words can never express true Nirvana! They would only contaminate it! Yes you can reach Nirvana in a physical state but would it be true Nirvana? You would still see other people suffering and that alone is not experienced in true Nirvana, where there is none. Hence the end of all suffering.

Lets not talk more about this stuff, for he who talks does not know ;)

[dmt head]

Words cant express the feelings and communications Ive had from entitys while on DMT and I have no experience of meditation maybe there different things, like when aliens are doing things too you for your benefit in another dimension do you think if you went their in your enlightened state they would just say hello? lol your there mate no need for any of this for you, maybe show you a few tricks a light show maybe for fun or something, like does your state of enlightenment make you know everything ? Hope that doesnt come across as naive, well probably does but hopefully not cheeky or anything, but still, so basically meditate and what, youll be enlightened? Smoke DMT and communicate with aliens in five minutes??

Know this sounds patronising and I apologise but it has to be kinda different? Its through mushrooms and DMT that has set me on the path of doing meditation seriously, but ill still be doing the other things, I thnk now, specially the cappi vine thats a long term plan for me, at the mo anyhoo lol

[tejas]

Substances are a map they cannot get you to the destination of enlightenment.

That is obvious.

However, as a map there is no better.

Smoke DMT and communicate with aliens in five minutes??

I once heard from a man who practiced zazen for years and years straight, day in day out. He was asked if he felt anymore enlightened.

He replied: I feel as enlightened as anyone would sitting infront of a wall for and hour a day for 20 years

[dmt head]

Substances are a map they cannot get you to the destination of enlightenment.

That is obvious.


Yes agreed so what is enlightenment then exactly? Knowing about other dimensions, realitys, you are an immortal soul? I think I "know" that. So is Icke enlightenend then after his aya experience? Cos he "knows" hes the one not just beleiveing so? Or is it feeling great all the time constant happiness then yes, and contentment? XTC x 100.00.00 sounds worth the effort! :)

I once heard from a man who practiced zazen for years and years straight, day in day out. He was asked if he felt anymore enlightened.

He replied: I feel as enlightened as anyone would sitting infront of a wall for and hour a day for 20 years

Kinda puts a downer on meditation for me that statement lol but maybe he was doing it wrong as some here have been saying?? :confused: Personally though im going to get into it, ordered a book and everything lol and it wouldnt have tried to get into it if it wasnt for these psychadelic experiences, so yes a good map I suppose. Plus the mp3 in rossus sig seems like a good starting point.cheers

[tejas]

Yes agreed so what is enlightenment then exactly? Knowing about other dimensions, realitys, you are an immortal soul? I think I "know" that. So is Icke enlightenend then after his aya experience? Cos he "knows" hes the one not just beleiveing so? Or is it feeling great all the time constant happiness then yes, and contentment? XTC x 100.00.00 sounds worth the effort! :)



Kinda puts a downer on meditation for me that statement lol but maybe he was doing it wrong as some here have been saying?? :confused: Personally though im going to get into it, ordered a book and everything lol and it wouldnt have tried to get into it if it wasnt for these psychadelic experiences, so yes a good map I suppose. Plus the mp3 in rossus sig seems like a good starting point.cheers

No definately, he just didn't know where he was going cos he didn't have a map ;)

[dmt head]

lol :) bet he was raging, no fucking enlightenment for me fuk this hahaha

[rossus]

20 years and no effect, he must be doing it really wrong.
i've been doing it for like a small year or so and i get great effects,
definately worth it.

i just don't know if you can get the same effect just by meditation,
as you can get on ayahuasca or mushroom for example.

since i learned meditation i experience love, happiness & bliss 24/7,
but no "spiritual explosion" which feels like i have completely merged with the universe... which i have only gotten on entheogenic plants so far.



these experiences of pleasure given by substances.... you can't have them all the time... and they don't last very long,
and without having purified yourself through meditation... you'd be in a state of unhappiness/unfullfillment all the time...
and always be wanting to have distraction or some form of pleasure, wherever you are.

so for me meditation is definately most important. it's free, easy, great & permanent.
and everything else, ranging from "spiritual experiences on plants" to having sex to having any other experience... is not important,
they're just details.

[rossus]

yesterday i tried zazen with a 30-year-practicing zazenmonk...
and i think the meditation in my signature is better.

but i think ichi wa zen is right when he say we don't need any "entheogenic plants".
all love and wisdom is already within.

i used to be kinda addicted to using "entheogenic substances",
and haven't done them in a year... and been on only meditation...

& the last 2 days some demons from the past have very subtle been suggesting me i should use plants again...
because "it's fun, holy and harmless"....

but actually in my heart i have this strange knowing that taking these substances is counter beneficial for me now.
i have benefited because quite possibly without ever having taken these plants... i'd probably never have got into something as "boring" as meditation...

but i'm quite sure i can not get anything good out of them "entheogenic experiences" anymore...
so i don't see myself using these plants ever again... :)



something i want people to know
i have been defending these plants in the 2 previous pages,
but that defending was heavily influenced by the "demons of the past" i just talked about...

i said "plants could take me higher than meditation", probably because these plants can make people feel extremely euphoric...
but so does heroin. a feeling of euphoria does not mean one is more enlightened.

i wouldn't advise anyone to use mushrooms or ayahuasca but if you feel like you really have to try them,
i'd strongle advise to meditate during the experience!!