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Anders Lindman
03-03-2007, 07:34 PM
Perhaps we can illustrate Infinite Love as a Tree of Life that flowers and flowers, because Infinite Love is a living process rather than a static thing or state.
Our universe, starting with the Big Bang, is a relatively "new" branch on the Tree of Life, and our planet Earth is a still younger branch, and you as a person is a leaf on the "branch" of Earth.
There is only now, but the now contains the entire Tree of Life including the start of the branch that is our visible universe. The root of that branch is the Big Bang, some 16 billion years old. So there is a past, but the past is compressed into the now so to speak.
The Tree of Life continuously evolves into higher and higher expressions. Infinite Love flowers from the soil that is not love, such as fear, pain and other forms of suffering and conflict.
As individual persons, and as humanity as a whole, we must recognize and become aligned with the flowering of Infinite Love and not remain stuck in the soil of fear and suffering.
intruder
03-03-2007, 09:24 PM
Are you seeking to symbolize (i.e. "limit" and constrain the infinite to a concept)
are you speaking of the Kabbalist's Tree Of Life?
Are you attempting to circumcsribe "space", our closest experience of the infinite, within the concourse of your fine mind. Is outer "space" and personal "inner" space equal in terms of "depth"
by "love" do you mean the 'golden rule', "do unto others..."
Do we all just have too much time on our hands?
Are we all not facing an imminent and collective whooping?
Anders Lindman
03-03-2007, 09:51 PM
I checked out the Kabbalist's definition of the Tree of Life: "A tree of life in the form of ten interconnected nodes is an important part of the Kabbalah"
From: Tree of life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
It describes ten nodes, and that is not the same thing I meant.
By Infinite Love I mean the force that animates the universe. That is I hope close to David Icke's description of Infinite Love.
The Tree of Life is the path Infinite Love takes through the soup of infinite possibilities.
seamus
03-03-2007, 10:45 PM
So you prefer the neutral term, "the force"? Fine, to each his own :p
s
I believe that Love is the Creative Force of the Universe. Cheers!
Anders Lindman
03-03-2007, 10:57 PM
Creation is a process of continuously breaking up and reshaping balances. If everything was in perfect balance with equal opposites, there would be no movement at all possible. And there is not even balance between all opposites. Turning on the light in a room makes darkness go away, but it's not possible to make light go away by turning on darkness.
Anders Lindman
03-03-2007, 11:40 PM
The world right now is absolutely more fear-based than love-based. So where is the Infinite Love then? I think the world is still stuck in the soil of suffering and fear and has hardly even begun to grow out of that soil yet. But I also think that there is an increasing possibility to start moving away from fear.
Internet is a good tool for speeding up this growing out the MESS we are in at the moment, and has been in since the dawn of humanity, because information can now be spread very quickly to many people and by many people.
neondestiny
04-03-2007, 12:08 AM
This infinite love thing...i don't buy it. The universe is more a state of belence, the force that generates all is a positive and negative creating a point of balence, love can't exist without an opposite...
It's sometimes scary to think of that fact evil exists, but know it can't be domiate as neither can love, however, in your own universe if you are a being of love the universe you generate is that of love and vice versa.
Infinite Love in the universe, absolute hippy bollucks...
GFG
I'm with you on that, there has always been a balance of darkness and light.
Resolution of the opposites.
There is also another term "the butterfly effect" (yes there is a movie too lol)
The gist is that everything is connected, for every action there is a positive and negative reaction.
The e.g. with the butterfly effect is that somewhere a butterfly flaps its wings which energy creates a ripple effect that ends up an earthquake somewhere else in the world. (I hope that makes sense)
I believe too much light, is just as bad as none ;)
This infinite love thing...i don't buy it. The universe is more a state of belence, the force that generates all is a positive and negative creating a point of balence, love can't exist without an opposite...
well, if one believes the universe was created by god (infinite love), then one would have to agree.
i just don't happen to subscribe to that theory. i believe we- you , me, bush, the lizard king- created the universe. only an insane god would create this.
<morpheus holds up battery>
if one believed in polarity, then one would agree that all things are either positive or negative.
i just don't happen to subscribe to that theory. i believe what is perceived as positive or negative is actually a spectrum of experience, hotter and colder rather than hot or cold, better or worse rather than good and evil. i believe that because reality is a purely subjective experience, good is merely what i want and evil what i don't want. i don't want u.s. troops in iraq, therefore george bush says i am supporting the axis of evil. i happen to see it differently. i believe that what keeps me from becoming some insane megalomaniac is that i also see the world around me as my mirror; it reflects back to me exactly my state of Consciousness at any given time. i judge by results; often harsh but always fair.
so you don't have to believe in Infinite Love; It believes in you! in fact, you already are that! :)
i am all i am
04-03-2007, 12:31 AM
If everything has an opposite, what is the opposite of ALL THAT IS ???
With LOVE.
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What do you see when YOU look in the mirror?
i keep my eye on the light, not the agent. lol
gift, i love ya, ya wild man!!
neondestiny
04-03-2007, 12:38 AM
If everything has an opposite, what is the opposite of ALL THAT IS ???
The opposite of all that is is nothing
i am all i am
04-03-2007, 12:39 AM
What is the opposite of infinity ???
With LOVE.
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i am all i am
04-03-2007, 12:42 AM
G'day Neondestiny,
Nothing does not exist. There is always something and that something is part of ALL THAT IS.
With LOVE.
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neondestiny
04-03-2007, 12:42 AM
What do you see when YOU look in the mirror?
i keep my eye on the light, not the agent. lol
gift, i love ya, ya wild man!! lol
I agree that our reality is a relflection of ourselves, but there is also opposites there.
Every person on the planet has a "shadow" side and the potential for both positive and negative actions and reactions, just because we may choose the positive does not mean the negative does not exist as we are dual in nature.
Even the most evil people e.g Hitler was still born with a spark of light inside to act positively, he just chose the darkness not the light.
neondestiny
04-03-2007, 12:46 AM
Nothing does not exist. There is always something and that something is part of ALL THAT IS.
I am not going to get into an argument with you over this I am lol you have your belief that is fine with me ;)
Nothing does exist, otherwise something cannot exist.
Correct me if I am wrong, but recently heard that scientist have now proven that dark matter (nothingness) does exist.
I have only a passing interest into quantum physics and science so could be wrong.
neondestiny
04-03-2007, 12:48 AM
the opposite to infinity is the end if something is infinite it goes on forever, if it doesn't go on for ever it ends :)
i am all i am
04-03-2007, 12:57 AM
I am not going to get into an argument with you over this I am lol you have your belief that is fine with me ;)
Nothing does exist, otherwise something cannot exist.
Correct me if I am wrong, but recently heard that scientist have now proven that dark matter (nothingness) does exist.
I have only a passing interest into quantum physics and science so could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
Hot dark matter has near-zero mass. It is something and therefore a part of ALL THAT IS.
There is no end to infinity and therefore no opposite.
With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
neondestiny
04-03-2007, 01:04 AM
lol ok I am all I am, you can believe what you like, my belief is different, so I will just agree to disagree ;)
seamus
04-03-2007, 04:46 AM
mmm'kay.
uh. I saw nothing once.
It was nothing. there is a special place where nothing is kept.
Unless I saw an intentionally untrue representation of what was there.
Ever see "event horizon"? the black hole, baby. It's nothing.
Los Lobos did a song years ago. Deep Dark Hole.
"There's a deep dark hole, and it leads to nowhere.
Better step aside, best take care, leave a light on and beware"
s
I wanted to post a reply to this but it was really hard to pick someone to reply to. :rolleyes: So Gift and others I'm not picking on you or your belief. I just wanted to address this opposites thing from my perspective.
We currently reside in the third dimension and at this point, resonating with the fourth. These dimensions have polarities. We aspire to move, with our earth, to the 5th dimension or 'Ascend'. The Fifth dimension does not have polarities. Our DNA is changing, time as we know it is speeding up (also a third dimensional thing) and the vibration is quickening. These things are fact, not theory.
As for universal love, it is not the kind of love we feel for another person or our dog. It is a love that is peace, joy, a feeling of being one with all. There is no opposite. It just IS. If you are not at a place to go with this love (energy) then you will continue on in your third/fourth dimensional 'reality,' and that is fine.
This is what I believe. I may be wrong but it is what I feel. I posted the following before and think it worth posting again:
A brief description of the dimensions from an article I have.
3rd: the one in which you currently live and are transiting out of. It is the one you (mostly) consider your sum total of reality.
4th: Sometimes referred to as the Astral Plane and exists as a shadow dimension of the third. Like the third it is a dimension of polarity and is inhabited by what you call spirits and disembodied entities. This dimension has fallen out of favour with the thinking of scientific materialism and has been reduced to the ranks of a primitive, superstitious belief - a belief that permeated human myth until you smartened up and dismissed it. :cool: You may be surprised to learn that the truth does not need your belief in order to function, and the fourth dimension has managed to carry on despite your rejection.
5th: The fifth dimension appears in your symbol systems as 'heaven' and compared to the third dimension, it is. It is a dimension of light and love, and it is free of the illusions of duality and separation. The fifth dimension is in no way the end of the line. It is just the next step in your planetary evolution. Creation actually contains an infinite number of dimensions, many of which you inhabit simultaneously.
I did not form my belief on that article, or any other for that matter. I read works by many, including the late Dr. Joshua David Stone, who kept saying it was the fourth dimension to which we aspired. I always felt that was wrong, that the fourth was a parallel of the third. I have delved in all of this ascension stuff for a long time and this is what I believe.
If I am wrong, so be it.
Every person on the planet has a "shadow" side and the potential for both positive and negative actions and reactions, just because we may choose the positive does not mean the negative does not exist as we are dual in nature.
The beast in me
Is caged by frail and fragile bonds
Restless by day
And by night, rants and rages at the stars
God help, the beast in me
The beast in me
Has had to learn to live with pain
And how to shelter from the rain
And in the twinkling of an eye
Might have to be restrained
God help the beast in me
Sometimes
It tries to kid me that it's just a teddy bear
Or even somehow managed
To vanish in the air
And that is when I must beware
Of the beast in me
That everybody knows
They've seen him out dressed in my clothes
Patently unclear
If it's New York or New Year
God help the beast in me
The beast in me
the beast in me, by nick lowe
Sorry, I didn't mean to and I surely am one of us . Maybe I was trying too hard not to upset anyone or to push my ideas as being 'right' . They are just that, my ideas. I actually thought about what I was trying to say. Should have just let it flow :o
I have reams and reams of stuff printed out but I would need to go through it all to find if there were links. Try searching for 5th dimension and see what you can come up with. If it rings true, keep it, if not, discard it.
The stuff I qouted about the dimensions actually comes from an e book, E.T. 101. It is very funny, tongue in cheek and I loved it.
Is good better by definition? If there was no evil how would you know the difference and how would you learn things such as compassion? I do, however, believe you are correct as far as the 5th dimension being a balance, intergration of the polarities, if you like. Too much light can be blinding and the dark is ...well...you know...dark.
I think dusk and dawn are the best parts of the day. They are softer, they are calm and peaceful, a time when you feel at one with the universe. It is the most wonderful feeling to sit on a beach watching the colours of the sky as the sun comes up or slides out of sight. I cannot explain the feeling, of oneness, of being a tiny part of something sooo big and so awesome. It is not light, it is not dark, it is somewhere in between.
bigus_dickus
05-03-2007, 02:52 PM
there is no good or evil, just perceptions. is a star that goes supernova evil? are two planets that collide evil? is a wolf, a lion, a tiger evil?
good and evil exist only in relationship with ourselves. in some cases the good for one person is evil for another. who is to judge?
unconditional love does not include good and evil, love and hate and all those that are conditions. that's why we call it unconditional and love is a word greatly misunderstood, because unconditional love and conditional love is not the same thing at all, yet you tend to confuse one with the other. i'm saying "you", because i am explaining the distinction here.
unconditional love is about allowing everything to happen, that's why it is unconditional.
unconditional love, will allow good and evil to mingle and create reality, that's why it is unconditional.
unconditional love, is in and out of reality and the universe, therefore it is everything that exists, while conditional love can only be mundane and can only exist as a relationship.
i suggest you find and use another word for this "unconditional love" since it confuses english speaking people. how about the greek word "agape", which is different to "eros" and "philia" because it is unconditional, it allows to love your enemies, your self, your neighbors, everything, just because.
or maybe "stilness", "nirvana", "bliss", "eternity". this is a state that a human can experience, but only for a short period of time. it is a state of where we come from and each one of us is a variation of that state, a distortion of unique characteristics in every person.
in other words, we will be able to experience it for good, when we manage to fully integrate and connect our minds together.
infinite love doesn't know death, therefore it does not know evil. it knows death as an illusion, while death for us is a bitter destiny and an unpleasant reality, because that's how we know death. therefore everything associated with death and the fear of it, we call it "evil". well, here is some news, evil does not exist in a greater perspective. the first humans knew this, that's why they were in heaven.
i am all i am
05-03-2007, 03:29 PM
Great post Bigus Dickus.
Evil ---- Live.
Is evil merely live backwards ???
With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
seamus
05-03-2007, 06:21 PM
Evil is indeed to live backwards, and it causes a regression to the ultimate demise of those who wish to live by it. It is not popular to say so in certain circles, but good is better than evil. Evil is as necessary to the appreciation of good as counterfeit currency (yes I know it's all counterfeit but for the sake of argument let's say it's not) is necessary to the value of real currency. Evil is, in the sick, twisted minds of those who love it, good. No one considers himself evil, who is truly evil.
The wicked love themselves and find it amusing that others think they owe something to society besides being a parasite. Of course we know that this kind of self-love is really self-hatred, because we know that what goes around comes around. The diseased mind of evil cannot comprehend this simple truth, because the greatest good that it can imagine is that all beings would serve and worship it.
Infinite love is not quite the only fact. Evil is a fact at this point in time, but it is on its way to consuming itself, so that one day infinite love will be the only truth. Something has to give, in order for the ultimate oneness of all that is to become manifest. That something is the mind that elevates itself. Evil.
This is a process we all long ago either explicitly, implicitly or tacitly approved of when entering into this place. It does not negate the eternity of the present, for this is an anomaly.
regards,
s
seamus
05-03-2007, 06:30 PM
The beast in me
Is caged by frail and fragile bonds
[...]
God help the beast in me
Sometimes
It tries to kid me that it's just a teddy bear
[...]
God help the beast in me
The beast in me
the beast in me, by nick lowe
Dr. Jekyll
And Mr. Hyde,
A real nice guy with a na na na na nasty side.
In trouble,
He tried to hide from himself.
Good gawd!
Sad man,
Couldn't face up to the yin and the yang.
Everybody,
All of us got a shadow!
Who knows what lurks in the hearts of men?
The shadow knows!
We become what we do not what we pretend.
Between the intention and the expression,
Between the emotion and the response,
Lies the shadow.
Sometimes I fail to follow through
On things that I want to do.
Other times I find myself doing the very things I hate.
Reverend jimmy
And tammy belle,
Big time pumpers with a story to sell.
Wait a minute,
Their finger's pointing at you!
Pay attention!
Listen up!
Dont try to deny it or cover it up.
Everybody,
All of us got a shadow!
The Shadow, by Devo
That's one of my all time favorites. It reveals a dark truth, but in a somewhat lighthearted way. Darn it, life's depressing enough without depressing music! :p
s
i am all i am
05-03-2007, 06:51 PM
Evil is indeed to live backwards, and it causes a regression to the ultimate demise of those who wish to live by it. It is not popular to say so in certain circles, but good is better than evil. Evil is as necessary to the appreciation of good as counterfeit currency (yes I know it's all counterfeit but for the sake of argument let's say it's not) is necessary to the value of real currency. Evil is, in the sick, twisted minds of those who love it, good. No one considers himself evil, who is truly evil.
The wicked love themselves and find it amusing that others think they owe something to society besides being a parasite. Of course we know that this kind of self-love is really self-hatred, because we know that what goes around comes around. The diseased mind of evil cannot comprehend this simple truth, because the greatest good that it can imagine is that all beings would serve and worship it.
Infinite love is not quite the only fact. Evil is a fact at this point in time, but it is on its way to consuming itself, so that one day infinite love will be the only truth. Something has to give, in order for the ultimate oneness of all that is to become manifest. That something is the mind that elevates itself. Evil.
This is a process we all long ago either explicitly, implicitly or tacitly approved of when entering into this place. It does not negate the eternity of the present, for this is an anomaly.
regards,
s
LIFE TO FILL
IF YOU COULD WALK THROUGH,
YOUR LIFE WITH A DIFFERENT VIEW,
YOU'D SEE ALL THE ANGELS YOU'VE BEEN SENT,
AND GIVE THANKS TO EACH MOMENT.
A COLLECTION OF MEMORIES YOU'LL GATHER ROUND,
NO VILLIANS OR VICTIMS TO BE FOUND,
FOR ALL HAVE CHOSEN WITH FREE WILL,
THE PARTS YOU OFFERED IN YOUR LIFE TO FILL.
SO THINK CAREFULLY OF WHAT YOU NEXT EXPRESS,
BECAUSE IT'S YOUR PART IN LIFE THAT YOU CONFESS,
FOR ALL IN CREATION HAVE FREE WILL,
TO CHOOSE THEIR PART IN LIFE TO FILL.
As you said seamus, we have all chosen to be here and we all choose our part in life.
With LOVE.
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WHEN PAIRED OPPOSITES DEFINE YOUR BELIEFS, YOUR BELIEFS WILL IMPRISON YOU.
seamus
05-03-2007, 07:38 PM
Yes. All have chosen their path beforehand. But you seem to imply that all those choices were wise. I think that it's possible for the non-flesh-encumbered spirit-being that is a disembodied human, to intentionally make choices that would be detrimental to its ultimate happiness. IOW, Just because you're in the astral plane, that doesn't mean your judgment is sane. Who would choose the role of, say, Jeffrey Dahmer? One who is not on the path of upward evolution, it seems to me. What a WASTE. The karma he inflicted on himself could prove unbearable for him. He might be stuck.
I think it is possible to get stuck. Only time will tell, but time's running short. There is however the possibility that between lives, one can choose to be born at an earlier time rather than a later, in which case it is irrelevant how late in the game it is. I do feel it is relevant to one's destiny (destination) what kind of choices one makes. If you elevate self, the ego, you're just setting yourself up for a fall. Believe me, I have experienced this.
The only reason I have said any of it is on the off chance that there is some poor naive ignorant soul who has been taught to think he is the center of the universe, who reads these posts and says, "Oh well I guess it doesn't matter how I treat people. I'll just go for what I can get". Admittedly this is a very off chance, but I feel it is irresponsible to communicate in a way that might mislead the uneducated. Yes, it might be true that a soul can recover from any evil it perpetrates, but to say that without the caveat of "what you sow you will reap" could be misleading to the ignorant.
And, lastly, I don't have any confidence to say that you can't do irreparable damage to your astral body by engaging in acts of self-exaltation and other-oppression. Do you have that confidence?
respectfully,
s
Edit:
Cool! Post #313! Spiritual intent. It is exactly as I am all I am said, My part in life that I confess.
Edit 2:
Whoa... Double cool! Post # 33 in this thread!
neondestiny
06-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Great post Biggus.
I have heard of the term "agape" only one other time in my life, was from an ex boyfriend who's father was a pastor at the revival centre (born again christians) there were other terms he used as well for the different levels of love but "agape" from memory was the definition of unconditional love.
I understand where you are coming from with the term evil and our perception.
A tiger will eat a man, another man witnessing this will say the tiger is evil, the tiger will say it is merely survival ;)
Just because you're in the astral plane, that doesn't mean your judgment is sane. Who would choose the role of, say, Jeffrey Dahmer? One who is not on the path of upward evolution, it seems to me. What a WASTE. The karma he inflicted on himself could prove unbearable for him. He might be stuck.
it's hard to fathom, admittedly. i read a book whose name escapes me just now, but it deals with hundreds of interviews of people who were hypnotized and described their experience in the "world between lives". a common theme was that in this place, where souls rest, the ego becomes disabled. one can't lie. the truth of one's recent life becomes crystal clear, and the soul is forced to ponder it, even relive its victims experience from the victim's "point of view".
maybe next time, dahmer will come back as a vegan :confused: or a veal cutlet....
The only reason I have said any of it is on the off chance that there is some poor naive ignorant soul who has been taught to think he is the center of the universe, who reads these posts and says, "Oh well I guess it doesn't matter how I treat people. I'll just go for what I can get".
i think you're performing a valuable service. the phrase, "i am god" certainly, at least, invites a sort of complacency and lack of self-awareness, imv. there's a great book called "boomeritis" by ken wilber. he writes about "cultural creatives" getting stuck in their growth because they basically say, "this is my truth; no one can tell me what to do." there is a certain truth in that, in my experience.
And, lastly, I don't have any confidence to say that you can't do irreparable damage to your astral body by engaging in acts of self-exaltation and other-oppression. Do you have that confidence?
as a child, i received a great amount of emotional abuse, some physical abuse. i believe that consequently my energy field was like a piece of swiss cheese lol. it's taken many years to begin to "stitch up" the holes and even more importantly, to stop identifying myself with it.