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pixie_shhh

03-12-2010, 08:57 AM

I was hoping to get a good juicy conversation going specifically around "Portals"

I thought to get the subject started i'd mention Alice's Mirror/Looking glass, The Wardrobe to Narnia, and these two clips below that i found (from a movie or show??) whilst pottering around Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6dr3K0Ml5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP1bBCl2X20&feature=related

I'm sure i'm forgetting many other stories and would love to be reminded/learn of a few, and hopefully get into the nitty gritty of "what-if's" "maybes" "wouldnt it be cool if's" and "I found this's" and see if we cant get structure to it amongst ourselves :D

As a second thought - what "worlds" if any, do you think could be paralell to ours? Going by the above clips and probably HP Lovecraft a lot of tentacle monsters :rolleyes: however going by our worlds love mythology i'm wondering if it could be simple, more like our own perhaps, than creative liscenses can churn out and keep massess entertained? Perhaps on some twist even "heaven" up there and "hell" down there could be a reference to paralell worlds and the moving through them?

see, its a bucket full of questions and possible answers and rhetorical understandings :D what better way to pass a little bit of time :D

water versus ice

14-12-2010, 10:31 PM

Oh yes interesting topic ! the 1st link scared me :eek: i was like payn attention and all of a sudden tentacles n stuff
In stargate SG1 they had a mirror where u could change between various dimensions.
I would like to add umm maybe a nature protal? u go into a forest there might be a bridge(seen in some movie) or somethin like a bush where u can get in.

When you think of it there can be so many like you would be the oposite sex in the other dimensin,or at some certain time in you life u had to take a decision and in this dimension u took 1 decision in the other it was the 2nd choice or end up in a magic world :D as ive read in a thread earlyer maybe the underworld

dmt head

14-12-2010, 11:02 PM

Stuart wilde talks about different portals around the world, though I think hes a bit extreme, 93% of us are going to hell according to him, not nice reading :rolleyes:

Ive nearly finished a book called portals and corridors http://www.spiritualpsychicart.com/book.html

The link is the authors site and basically what she does is draw these interdimensional aliens that come to her mind and use the pictures as a portal, she visualises the face and she says anyone can do it, visualise the face and you can go visit their dimension, there is a method, you imagine going along a tunnel or something, ive not read the mehtods again as I keep kjumping between 3 books atm and dont want to finish it, I could easily read it again its amazing, cheap on amazon too highly reccomended, funny I was just going to do a search for the book on here and seen your thread.

Funny thing happened with this book, theres like 15-2o pictures of these beings she has met, or portals as she claims. One of them jumped out at me eliosath, id seen her and a friend after smoking dmt. They were beautiful and so loving, then took me to this space station where insectoid type aliens were and it seemed they were putting implants in me and other stuff, when I seen her face I was like no way but her chapter was a good bit into the book so held off and held off then went feck it jumped ahead and read her chapter, unbeleivably apparantly her home planet was constantly being attacked by insectooid aliens, ic oouldnt stop shivering maybe my dmt expereince was real and eliosaths people were working in cahoots with the insectoids, well some of them.

Anyhoo amazin book should check it out, every place she goes too the entitys are benevolant and most of them are all about healing, seems like the work of the gods, making me want to do reiki like my gf. It also seems so beleivable having had experienced some similiar things through dmt, heres the book:

Amazon.com: Portals and Corridors: A Guide to Hyperspace Travel (9781883319762): Monica Szu-Whitney, Gary Whitney, Terence McKenna: Books@@AMEPARAM@@http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51IF9QMaRVL.@@AMEPARAM@@51IF9QMaRVL

pixie_shhh

20-12-2010, 03:59 PM

ooo wow i didnt think anybody was going to read this topic! i havnt been on in a while and it was a nice surprise so thanks:D

Now to the gritty:cool:

water versus ice Oh yes interesting topic ! the 1st link scared me i was like payn attention and all of a sudden tentacles n stuff
In stargate SG1 they had a mirror where u could change between various dimensions.
I would like to add umm maybe a nature protal? u go into a forest there might be a bridge(seen in some movie) or somethin like a bush where u can get in.

When you think of it there can be so many like you would be the oposite sex in the other dimensin,or at some certain time in you life u had to take a decision and in this dimension u took 1 decision in the other it was the 2nd choice or end up in a magic world as ive read in a thread earlyer maybe the underworld

lolol maybe i should have given a warning about the first link haha sorry love! isnt it bizzare? very cathulu-ian from what i can gather...

I love that you brought up nature portals, i'd completely forgotton (and therefore dismissed?) a fictional peice i'd read where portals between realms were between oaktrees and over bridges - that is completely possible i think, definately as possible as any others brought up.

... i hadnt thought of the twist of maybe being another sex after theoreticly walking through one... that would catch you off guard:eek: ....... its made me wonder now... as the theory is that we are all each male AND female.. maybe visualizing that doorway to the mechanics office to be a portal where in that world you are male as opposed to female... maybe you wouldnt get ripped as much as the average female in that senario... as an example of course (jesus AND i'm sober...)

dmt head Stuart wilde talks about different portals around the world, though I think hes a bit extreme, 93% of us are going to hell according to him, not nice reading

Ive nearly finished a book called portals and corridors http://www.spiritualpsychicart.com/book.html

The link is the authors site and basically what she does is draw these interdimensional aliens that come to her mind and use the pictures as a portal, she visualises the face and she says anyone can do it, visualise the face and you can go visit their dimension, there is a method, you imagine going along a tunnel or something, ive not read the mehtods again as I keep kjumping between 3 books atm and dont want to finish it, I could easily read it again its amazing, cheap on amazon too highly reccomended, funny I was just going to do a search for the book on here and seen your thread.

Funny thing happened with this book, theres like 15-2o pictures of these beings she has met, or portals as she claims. One of them jumped out at me eliosath, id seen her and a friend after smoking dmt. They were beautiful and so loving, then took me to this space station where insectoid type aliens were and it seemed they were putting implants in me and other stuff, when I seen her face I was like no way but her chapter was a good bit into the book so held off and held off then went feck it jumped ahead and read her chapter, unbeleivably apparantly her home planet was constantly being attacked by insectooid aliens, ic oouldnt stop shivering maybe my dmt expereince was real and eliosaths people were working in cahoots with the insectoids, well some of them.

Anyhoo amazin book should check it out, every place she goes too the entitys are benevolant and most of them are all about healing, seems like the work of the gods, making me want to do reiki like my gf. It also seems so beleivable having had experienced some similiar things through dmt, heres the book:

http://www.amazon.com/Portals-Corrid.../dp/1883319765

absolutely fascinating - i see i've got some reading to do *grins*

I love what you're saying about visualizing and face and meeting the perfectly real entity on thier own..plane i guess. Its quite similar to what i do when i'm dabbling with voodoo (huge respect for certain spirits, ysee, but not enough time/money to fully follow it properly...and not sure i'd want to do it by the book)...

i'd already imagine what these spirits would look like, and even drew them, and one day i just pictured meeting papa legba at his house instead of the crossroads... and imagined laying out a feast on his table...lighting some candles and starting his family fire... the setting came very naturally and very quickly... i did the same for oshun and tried pushing away my own details and her home flooded my senses... i filled her cuboards with ingrediants and filled the counters with bottles of milk... (random i know but thats what i figured she'd have liked..) i came away feeling like i'd done SUCH a good deed, that i'd completely surpassed leaving out a few things in my own world for them (i still do this now and again additionally..) ...... technically if we are our own gods, and our imagination is infinate..then we can be making actual differences on those planes... .... lol maybe my imagination just run away with itself, but the process seems very similar to

would you mind explaining to a dumbass what a insectoids and eliosaths are until i can get ahold of the book? i'm loving this convo:D

Btw.... if these cases are at least hypotheticly true....what on earth have we seen/made/done/alowed during masturbation fantasies...:eek:

dmt head

20-12-2010, 05:01 PM

Eliosath is the name she had for the being, in my expereince they were very sexy and beautiful and it made them happy that I found them beautiful. When they took me to this space station there was a vibe of insectoids, I dont know how to explain but it felt as if there was an insect gnawing at me, at the side of my leg and when it was doing this gnawing it was giving me something people call a beinggasm, it was as if I was ejaculating continuosly throughout my whole being with this gnawing. A lot of people come across insectoid typ alien beings in their dmt experiences, usually a praying mantis type entity. I didnt see anything but had this vibe, hard to explain.

In the book eliosaths home planet was constantly under attack from insectoid aliens, they may have been praying mantis, I forget but eliosaths people would put a forcefield round their planet to protect them by the power of their minds collectivly, when the author went to her dimension the forcefield had come down and the insects had attacked them.

Her techniques in the book sound very similiar to your own, sure she calls it imaginality

pixie_shhh

20-12-2010, 05:31 PM

thats really interesting... i've been catogorizing the subject as "dreamscapes" as i'm not convined on the whole ufo alien sagas... however spiritual entitites in other realities visiting as "alien" people, i can dig, so on these types of convos i translate to myself as it keeps the ball rolling. I've had quite a bit of visual proof in these areas (others have seen ufo or claim to have been abducted so i dont dismiss it, as i think everybody has thier own inward interpreter trying to understand the unknown)

What do you reckon these insectoids were for? when you said gnawing my mind instantly went to what "gnaws" at us lot... doubts, worry, cravings, desire etc... or maybe its more fatality driven...

lol.. my mind goes strange places huh

dmt head

20-12-2010, 05:40 PM

I personally think they are a race of beings like ourselves, they also get a mention in rick strassmans dmt the spirit molecule book. Ive also read alien abduiction reports and the abductors are praying mantis aliens

gurlbit

25-12-2010, 04:07 PM

'finking wif portalz....

water versus ice

25-12-2010, 10:50 PM

I love that you brought up nature portals, i'd completely forgotton (and therefore dismissed?) a fictional peice i'd read where portals between realms were between oaktrees and over bridges - that is completely possible i think, definately as possible as any others brought up.

... i hadnt thought of the twist of maybe being another sex after theoreticly walking through one... that would catch you off guard:eek: ....... its made me wonder now... as the theory is that we are all each male AND female.. maybe visualizing that doorway to the mechanics office to be a portal where in that world you are male as opposed to female... maybe you wouldnt get ripped as much as the average female in that senario... as an example of course (jesus AND i'm sober...)

Hi late reply here sorry, about the twist, i think i didnt explained to well what i was thinking at, im not english so im tryn to be as good as i can.... i was refering to meetin yourself by passing through a portal, like the you in that dimension, thinkin you may have a different gender, but the part you brought up is interesting now, i remember i have seen some animation based movie where the human character goes through a portal to another world and his body is changed to fit the "requierments"? of that world, this makes me think at the movie avatar, in order to go in that world you need some type of body.

mountain

26-12-2010, 05:15 AM

This is a great topic :)

I can think of a few more stories to add. Chrono Chross which is a RPG style video game for the Playstation that featured another parallel world that was more mystical and a bit zanier than the original. Its one of my favourites.

Stephen King's novel Rose Madder is another tale where a woman enters an alternate world through a painting she is strongly bonded to. It was kind of creepy, those who know King's work can attest.

Sometimes, when I astral travel and want to go somewhere specific, a wormhole engulfs me and within a few moments I am landing somewhere at the end of the tunnel to that place. It used to feel weird to me but now its quite natural. Just thought I would add that because it seems to relevant.

jconnar

26-12-2010, 09:32 AM

The magic mirror which spirits appear and can be conversed with.

huyi

30-12-2010, 05:06 AM

what puzzles me is why when we are kids are we always scared of the cupboards? there are stories of spirits coming out of the cupboards, also there are the boogeyman stories about saying stuff into the mirror to bring out a evil spirit or demon.

for 1000s of years we have people who can look into mirrors to see the future and other mirror type objects.

biblegirl

30-12-2010, 05:33 AM

Geez the first page of this thread might be the most fascinating thing i've read on the forum all year! thank you for bringing up an awesome topic, i find myself starving for these lately :).

As one of my most favorite subjects involves forest people (sasquatch) the question of portals is inevitable. It is strange that the exact same variety of sasquatch that we have here in the northwest USA is also in Australia, Africa, Hawaii, etc. Some have the ability to materialize and also disappear presumably at will, and many people suspect that the sasquatch beings know exactly where the nature portals are and can enter and exit as often as they like. Other so called mythological creatures like Loch Ness monster may also use portals to surface in and leave our dimension, hence their perceived "evasiveness".

On a personal note, I have lived in the same house for about 10 years combined, and while I live here I have a recurring dream. It is about walking down a street that is a block away from my house, being prompted to look in one direction at this certain place in the street, and there is a magnificent park like property with a pond. For some reason in the dream I am very delighted to have found it, run over to the pond an jump in and swim for a while. Everything is so pretty, the water sparkles crystal clear, everything including the trees seem more colorful and happy. And then I wake up :D. This dream began happening when I first moved here, and I still have it more recently. Now that I am interested in interdimensional things, I WONDER if I keep having this dream because there is some sort of natural portal or doorway there at the place on the street, and I subconsciously picked up on it somehow. I confess I have walked down to that same spot just to make sure :o but in reality it is just some properties with horses on them and no pond or colorful trees he he.

Another personal experience that I had, was quite recent, within the last month. I had an out of body experience just before I fell asleep and found myself hovering in the corner of one of the rooms in my basement. This room is super junky :o it's where all the stuff that I can't find a place for ends up, and it's just not pretty because it's so messy it looks like a hurricane went through that room lol. Anyway....I instantly recognized the room, but later thought that it was strange that I saw the room from the perspective of hovering in the corner, not from the doorway as I would normally in life. This seemed a rather pointless OBE (which a lot of mine truly are :D) but I noticed something was very much different, because the wall that should have been on the west side of the room was not there, and instead I could see grass as if the room just went on into a field instead of having a wall. Well the weirdest thing about this vision, is that what "should" be on the other side of that wall is dirt, because it is the basement, all underground. It was curious indeed, and I wondered if this might be another clue that there is somehow a portal there to another world.

beats

30-12-2010, 07:08 AM

I walked through a portal/wormhole once.

A very frightening experience. I've also seen others that are obviously not of my current dimension in the "flesh".

I'm also familiar with the female Alien beings you speak of. You are right in that, they seem to be very pleased when you find them attractive. I remember just staring into her face for the longest time and then finally proclaimed "you're so beautiful"! She smiled and the session was over.

It seems to be some sort of test to see if you're capable of abstract appreciation.

pixie_shhh

02-01-2011, 01:05 PM

Wow this has taken off well :D so back to the gritty

Hi late reply here sorry, about the twist, i think i didnt explained to well what i was thinking at, im not english so im tryn to be as good as i can.... i was refering to meetin yourself by passing through a portal, like the you in that dimension, thinkin you may have a different gender, but the part you brought up is interesting now, i remember i have seen some animation based movie where the human character goes through a portal to another world and his body is changed to fit the "requierments"? of that world, this makes me think at the movie avatar, in order to go in that world you need some type of body.

Hiya oh i see what you mean now, i had no idea english wasnt a first language so bravo i can barely manage my own language let alone converse in another lolol. You're reminding me a bit of the show quantum leap yknow... i'm a bit stumped on avatar, hubby and i were discussin the hype over it and decided to boycott it for now..

And thats right you would need some type of body.. i wonder if you can ghost in other realities? or if you watch the world from the inside via eyes on a toy or in folds like i've always suspected something of the like goes on in this reality...

(im gonna sound like an idiot now, or at least parinoid, but when i'm in the house alone (heavily populated with activity centered around our hallway that has two cross roads in it) sometimes one of the kids toys will freak me out and i have to turn around.. i get the weird sense of being watched first, and i can feel myself go on edge.. ill busy myself and it will still happen, and i'll follow the line and find myself having eye contact with something thats supposed to be inatimate... .... .... and loopier still is the folds in laundry sometimes, as a kid it freaked me out nightly, nowadays i just notice it very occasionally.. i called whatever i thought was behind them "watchers" until i began researching and the term was already coined for something else lol... (some people as well i coined that way, in the sense that they dont really appear real...but thats a different subject :) )

This is a great topic :)

I can think of a few more stories to add. Chrono Chross which is a RPG style video game for the Playstation that featured another parallel world that was more mystical and a bit zanier than the original. Its one of my favourites.

Stephen King's novel Rose Madder is another tale where a woman enters an alternate world through a painting she is strongly bonded to. It was kind of creepy, those who know King's work can attest.

Sometimes, when I astral travel and want to go somewhere specific, a wormhole engulfs me and within a few moments I am landing somewhere at the end of the tunnel to that place. It used to feel weird to me but now its quite natural. Just thought I would add that because it seems to relevant.

i'd definately say its relevant, as OBE's and Astral travelling seem to be a personal portal that everybody has the ability to tap into (unfortunately im not one of these, although hubby would go off to places before sleep- he never liked the sensation and so was happy it stopped once we got together properly).... in trying to learn these skills (halfassed i must admit lol) i've gotton slightly aware in lucid dreaming after watching Waking Life, but i cant really go or do anything, it just stunts my dream lol.

I havnt played the game or read the book but thats fascinating on its own merrits lol i used to watch charmed outta boredom, and there was a similar story, except demons/warlocks were banished inside a painting

My uncle had a painting on his wall of a farm house, a windy path going off to another buidling, a girl going out to milk goes, and i'd watch it all the time and try to notice differences in it, because i'd seen a few tales of people saying people moved in thier paintings, and this one was just like it.

Wouldnt the story of Dorian Grey be classed under painting magick, but paintings were portals i bet theres a world where he's walking around in it old as time lmao....

The magic mirror which spirits appear and can be conversed with.

i'm very interested in this one, we've managed to catch a few (or what looks like a few) in photographs - what do you know on it??

what puzzles me is why when we are kids are we always scared of the cupboards? there are stories of spirits coming out of the cupboards, also there are the boogeyman stories about saying stuff into the mirror to bring out a evil spirit or demon.

for 1000s of years we have people who can look into mirrors to see the future and other mirror type objects.

i love this post man:Di remember looking at the ajar cupboards and the complete darkness behind it lol. what are your memories and takes on it? I was always a bit more preocupied being jittery of what i could see than i couldnt lol
Id love to know what come out of these cupboards too, i love researching these stories and havnt come across any of this type yet

Geez the first page of this thread might be the most fascinating thing i've read on the forum all year! thank you for bringing up an awesome topic, i find myself starving for these lately :).

As one of my most favorite subjects involves forest people (sasquatch) the question of portals is inevitable. It is strange that the exact same variety of sasquatch that we have here in the northwest USA is also in Australia, Africa, Hawaii, etc. Some have the ability to materialize and also disappear presumably at will, and many people suspect that the sasquatch beings know exactly where the nature portals are and can enter and exit as often as they like. Other so called mythological creatures like Loch Ness monster may also use portals to surface in and leave our dimension, hence their perceived "evasiveness".

On a personal note, I have lived in the same house for about 10 years combined, and while I live here I have a recurring dream. It is about walking down a street that is a block away from my house, being prompted to look in one direction at this certain place in the street, and there is a magnificent park like property with a pond. For some reason in the dream I am very delighted to have found it, run over to the pond an jump in and swim for a while. Everything is so pretty, the water sparkles crystal clear, everything including the trees seem more colorful and happy. And then I wake up :D. This dream began happening when I first moved here, and I still have it more recently. Now that I am interested in interdimensional things, I WONDER if I keep having this dream because there is some sort of natural portal or doorway there at the place on the street, and I subconsciously picked up on it somehow. I confess I have walked down to that same spot just to make sure :o but in reality it is just some properties with horses on them and no pond or colorful trees he he.

Another personal experience that I had, was quite recent, within the last month. I had an out of body experience just before I fell asleep and found myself hovering in the corner of one of the rooms in my basement. This room is super junky :o it's where all the stuff that I can't find a place for ends up, and it's just not pretty because it's so messy it looks like a hurricane went through that room lol. Anyway....I instantly recognized the room, but later thought that it was strange that I saw the room from the perspective of hovering in the corner, not from the doorway as I would normally in life. This seemed a rather pointless OBE (which a lot of mine truly are :D) but I noticed something was very much different, because the wall that should have been on the west side of the room was not there, and instead I could see grass as if the room just went on into a field instead of having a wall. Well the weirdest thing about this vision, is that what "should" be on the other side of that wall is dirt, because it is the basement, all underground. It was curious indeed, and I wondered if this might be another clue that there is somehow a portal there to another world.

It wouldnt surprise me if your house was located on/in/around something - have you ever thought of seeing if you could get answers about it? Maybe we can put a few together on this thread as it goes on, there must be enough similarities between each type of portal to put a picture together with

i've never looked further into the sasquatch stuff but it definately paints a picture when combining what i do know of it with portals... thats pretty crazy! like worker ants or something -with how hollywood and knowledge plays into things, i wonder if theres much of a connection between sasquatches and planet of the apes .. how bizzare

i read a book (ill look it up, its a racy paranormal novel and the same one i mentioned before with nature portals - it delt with a mix of "creatures" from faeries to elfs and whatnot...lots of magickal content in it but she seems to know what it is she is writing about i think its called seduced by magick - in it i beleive it talked about how to use a portal, maybe that would come in handy for you for compartive knowledge on the subject

I walked through a portal/wormhole once.

A very frightening experience. I've also seen others that are obviously not of my current dimension in the "flesh".

I'm also familiar with the female Alien beings you speak of. You are right in that, they seem to be very pleased when you find them attractive. I remember just staring into her face for the longest time and then finally proclaimed "you're so beautiful"! She smiled and the session was over.

It seems to be some sort of test to see if you're capable of abstract appreciation.

well we need more details than that! tell me the story around it:D was it a little like being john malkovich? were the others after going into the wormhole or seperate like seeing people you know just arent.. right lol.

The alien women seem to have got thier way around... its weird how they are just content to be seen as beautiful..as far as tests go i wonder if anyone here with an experience who held off and didnt compliment them right away, if the ladies spoke or acted differently? I'm not saying it isnt what it is, but beauty is often refferered to as an illusion isnt it?

white horse

02-01-2011, 11:50 PM

pixie_shhh

03-01-2011, 01:57 AM

It is very interesting - if you look out for mirrors they are a familiar device in Hollywood.

Generally they are used to suggest to the viewer to question the nature of reality from that moment. Often things in the movie/plot will follow a twist following a quiet reflective scene at a mirror. - What you are about to see next is not real -

As a portal into dreams/past/furture/alternate.

One thing you will see a lot of in Hollywood is people opening mirroed medicine cabinets in the bathroom. Once you see it you cant stop seeing that particular sigil everywhere!

oooooooOOOOOOOOooooo i LOVE that stuff... i will definately be watching out for that! Its probably pretty common knowledge by now, but when i first heard about the chequer board useages i realised it came into play when some body is amount to try and mess with your morals, especially zebraprint one ... see it and listen close, you hear some pretty messed up convos in fiction...... i dont think that is a portal, but its probably something coming through it? ill have a think on it lol

beats

05-01-2011, 02:45 AM

Wow this has taken off well :D so back to the gritty

well we need more details than that! tell me the story around it:D was it a little like being john malkovich? were the others after going into the wormhole or seperate like seeing people you know just arent.. right lol.

The alien women seem to have got thier way around... its weird how they are just content to be seen as beautiful..as far as tests go i wonder if anyone here with an experience who held off and didnt compliment them right away, if the ladies spoke or acted differently? I'm not saying it isnt what it is, but beauty is often refferered to as an illusion isnt it?

The story is long and so I won't go into details, but I can answer specific questions.

Yes, there were other entities, both good and bad. The bad entities were really bad.

Basically, everyones mask got removed. I saw people for who they truly are. In both a psychic and visual sense. Monsters most certainly walk amongst us.

The good entities were certainly present but it was difficult to communicate with them. A lot of esoteric and complex chess matches going on there.

One other thing, I didn't actually "walk" through the wormhole.

I was driven through it.

And as for the female Alien, interesting thing is, that yes, the Alien was beautiful, but it took me a long time to realize it because she was also one of the scariest things I'd ever laid eyes upon.

jconnar

05-01-2011, 06:42 AM

The story is long and so I won't go into details, but I can answer specific questions.

Yes, there were other entities, both good and bad. The bad entities were really bad.

Basically, everyones mask got removed. I saw people for who they truly are. In both a psychic and visual sense. Monsters most certainly walk amongst us.

The good entities were certainly present but it was difficult to communicate with them. A lot of esoteric and complex chess matches going on there.

One other thing, I didn't actually "walk" through the wormhole.

I was driven through it.

And as for the female Alien, interesting thing is, that yes, the Alien was beautiful, but it took me a long time to realize it because she was also one of the scariest things I'd ever laid eyes upon.

Thats awesome! :p

water versus ice

05-01-2011, 09:57 AM

Hiya oh i see what you mean now, i had no idea english wasnt a first language so bravo i can barely manage my own language let alone converse in another lolol. You're reminding me a bit of the show quantum leap yknow... i'm a bit stumped on avatar, hubby and i were discussin the hype over it and decided to boycott it for now..

And thats right you would need some type of body.. i wonder if you can ghost in other realities? or if you watch the world from the inside via eyes on a toy or in folds like i've always suspected something of the like goes on in this reality...

Oh this makes you think again the ghost stories, like maybe they are some observers of some kind, all good till they try to hurt you :D.
If you want to watch avatar im sure there are torrents out there(maybe on piratebay) or online, so it will be like for free...
Talkin about toys made me think at this video from another thread, apperently its a haunted doll but cant be sure if its fake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XinWI9Jo5A0

water versus ice

05-01-2011, 10:01 AM

white horse

08-01-2011, 06:47 PM

metacomet

08-01-2011, 06:57 PM

I like to step through tree portals. :) They are all over here.

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/7542/treesbent.jpg

I've never heard anyone refer to them before... I guess I decided they were portals myself.

metacomet

08-01-2011, 07:02 PM

As one of my most favorite subjects involves forest people (sasquatch) the question of portals is inevitable. It is strange that the exact same variety of sasquatch that we have here in the northwest USA is also in Australia, Africa, Hawaii, etc. Some have the ability to materialize and also disappear presumably at will, and many people suspect that the sasquatch beings know exactly where the nature portals are and can enter and exit as often as they like. Other so called mythological creatures like Loch Ness monster may also use portals to surface in and leave our dimension, hence their perceived "evasiveness".

:D

It's one of the coolest elements of cryptozoology not taken seriously. The idea that the earth has dimensional doorways in it that certain creatures know to step through.

http://www.joanocean.com/Sasq/wheel.jpg

Joan oceans story about Sasquatch (thread here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2992)) is awesome in light of her claim that Bigfeet use 'medicine wheels' and other portals of their own creation!

white horse

08-01-2011, 07:33 PM

The Use of Mirrors in Hollywood Movies.

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Mirrors are of course an every day common object, so you would expect to see them in movies regularly. But a Hollywood movie is not normal life. A Hollywood movie is an enourmous enterprise. Each shot is meticulously planned out. A simple 2 minute sequence such as 'Man gets ready for work' could represnt the best part of a day for production and crew. Producers, Assistant Directors, Continuity, and later Editors, will be keeping an eye on the detail to make sure nothing spoils the flow of the directors narrative; a boom in shot, a crew memebr in shot, a reflective surface showing the set; Thus a mirror can be a major headache for a filming unit. The simple process of keeping production items and crew out of shot is multiplied to include things behind the camera and the camera itself. A major Hollywwod production does not put a mirror in a prominent place without good reason, and careful planning. It could be a shot that represents a major investment of time and effort to get right.

Examples:

Jacob's Ladder

Contact

Brazil

Blade Runner

12 Monkeys

Eyes Wide Shut

Themes:

Mirror as a portal or doorway to an alternate reality – ‘Through the Looking Glass.’

When a mirror is displayed, it is a clue that the scenes immediately following are taking place in a different reality – we have passed through the looking glass just as Alice did into a world that looks the same, but behaves differently. This is ‘literally’ displayed in the Matrix when Neo touches the mirror after taking the red pill. In Eyes Wide Shut, it is metaphorical alternate reality as the main characters take mind altering drugs after viewing the mirror.

Mirror used to question or change reality – Moment of Reflection.

Often a character will gaze into a mirror just before or just after a pivotal moment. This is often used to signify the character going through a change, having a moment of deep inner ‘reflection’, which often leads to a change in the character’s nature or their actions. In real life do people really sit in front of the mirror to contemplate? Probably not. But in the movies, the mirror is used as a visual picture-clue to signal ‘moment of reflection’ and they invite the audience to think about what has just happened, or what is about to happen.

Pool of water used as a mirror/portal.

In many cultures, especially strong in Celtic mythology, pools of water are seen as portals to the underworld, an alternate reality. They were places where gods and other-worldly creatures dwelled, and were places were mortals could communicate or transverse between the realm of the real and the realm of the unreal. The pool is often represented by a scrying dish which performs a similar function and allows the viewer to see into the otherworld, this is often interchangeable with a mirror as the same tool. In Snow White the Evil Queen uses a scrying mirror. In Twelve Monkeys a pool is used as a gateway for Cole to slip through time.

Other Common Themes: Oppression of the Individual by the state.

The movies I'm using to illustrate the mirror motifs are also crammed full with other esoteric, elite/illuminate symbolism and other themes relating to ‘Big Brother’ society. However, each movie carries as the main theme the notion of the individual versus the state. When the individual goes against the grain and falls foul of the ‘Powers That Be’ then inevitably a battle over the nature of reality ensues. As illustrated in Orwell’s 1984; Who controls the past, controls the future. Who controls the present, controls the past. The character, by acting in ways that upsets the mainstream orthodoxy invokes the displeasure of the current PTB, and they bring forces to bear to bring the character back in to line. This is often done by getting the character to question their own basic reality to such an extent that the only reality they can trust is the one presented to them by the PTB. This is achieved by control of information.

Jacob’s Ladder includes sinister shadowy figures keeping watch on the activities of the main character, presumably linked to the military-government (CIA). Jacob has been the unwitting subject of a horrific government-military experiment, displaying the fact that the citizens of the country do not have control over their own freedoms. Throughout the movie Jacob struggles to keep control of his life and believes he is in conflict with the PTB who are able to mess with his sense of reality.

Even in Contact which is not really about dystopian fascism society, Ellie falls foul of the military and the government and has her project taken away from her; this is the PTB’s attempt to control the information involved, which is deemed as dangerous to the status quo. Also, it is clear that Hadden has access to information and apparatus that is at a level far above that of national governments, illustrating the all pervasive ‘hidden hand’. Throughout the movie Ellie goes against the grain of the common orthodoxy.

Brazil is a story set in an Orwellian fascist state that pretends to be a champion of freedom but is in reality extremely oppressive, reflecting Orwells’ notions of double-speak where slavery is presented as freedom.

In Blade Runner Deckard is blackmailed by his boss to return to work, representing the fact that workers are in effect slaves to an uncaring system. We see the stratification of society with the ‘low-life’s literally at the bottom of society, and Tyrell, at the top - complete with owl, symbolic of the illuminati and all seeing eye at the top of the pyramid – which is literally a pyramidal shaped building.

Twelve Monkeys sees Coles freedom of movement controlled and inhibited by the PTB in either time-frame. In the 1990s they are able to classify him as mentally divergent and incarcerate him. In Cole’s present, he is a convict and is a puppet of the regime who exhibit total control over what is left of society.

Eyes Wide Shut is a movie about the illuminate and is a narrative about the elite’s place in our society. When Bill attempts to enter their world he finds out that they are at a far higher level than he realised with the power to be anywhere, see anything.

mountain

08-01-2011, 07:44 PM

:D

It's one of the coolest elements of cryptozoology not taken seriously. The idea that the earth has dimensional doorways in it that certain creatures know to step through.

http://www.joanocean.com/Sasq/wheel.jpg

Joan oceans story about Sasquatch (thread here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2992)) is awesome in light of her claim that Bigfeet use 'medicine wheels' and other portals of their own creation!

That is very interesting, Metacomet :)

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:02 PM

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:06 PM

Good thread Pixie and co, and you got me thinking about mirrors in movies so I dug out some movies and analysed them, I'll post my findings for you...

Portrayal of portals in Hollywood movies

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:08 PM

Jacob’s Ladder:

Jacob has been struggling with his grasp on reality and we have just been through a momentous scene where Jacob has a psychotic breakdown at a party. The scene escalates the madness of Jacob, and as he recovers he begins a journey to investigate the possibility that he is either being visited by demons or he is insane. He is looking at books on demonolgy and witchcraft, when his wife (who was behaving in a questionable manner at the party, something which Jacob is struggling to confirm in his mind – was it real or part of the visions of his breakdown?) is talking to him about his episode. We view her deliver a few lines to Jacob from the wardrobe mirror.

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This escalates to an argument, and his wife momentarily appears as a demon to him which is a great shock. This reinforces the question marks over Jacob’s sanity and his grip on reality. Is he being plagued by demons or is it all in his mind?

It is also the directors clue to make the audience question the reality of his wife. Is she part of the real world or an alternate reality that Jacob thinks is real? Remember, if you are looking at a character through a mirror, we are seeing into an alternate realm.

Towards the end of the film, Jacob is beginning to reconcile to the situation and is piecing the clues together. He is seated on his bed and is going through a box of memories. We watch him doing this in the wardrobe mirror.

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While he is doing this he continues to see disturbing visions in the mirror, a feature that has haunted him through the movie. In the end, he begins to realise that what he took as reality is not in fact real, and in that moment he reaches out to the mirror and touches it; symbolic of Jacob’s passing through to another realm, as Jacob is dying in this moment in the actual ‘here-and-now’.

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white horse

08-01-2011, 08:22 PM

Brazil:

(Terry Gilliam, 1985.)

Sam Lowery is a lowly clerk in a government department who, while dedicated to his job, is haunted by his dreams of a beautiful woman who is the centre of his fantasy to escape the drudge of the reality of modern society. Set in a dystopian future, echoing Orwell’s 1984, and dubbed the film 1984 should have been. The key to controlling the population is controlling reality, which is achieved by controlling information.

This is a pivotal moment in the film, where Sam first sees the girl who has been appearing in his dreams. It is from this moment that he embarks on a change of direction that takes him away from the ‘norm’. His life changes from this moment.

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When Sam sees her face in the shards on the floor it’s a great shock to him - he picks the shard up, and we see his face reflected. He then realises it’s a reflection of a real person looking down at him through a hole in the ceiling from the storey above, (a brilliant set up by Gilliam) so he rushes upstairs - and from that moment on he is embarked upon a journey that shatters his reality and ends in his death.

It is a fine piece of film work; she is the face from his dreams, in a mirror; signifying otherworldly/alternate reality. A dream of a dream. So even though we are seeing her image in the ‘here and now’ there is a doubt about reality. This is the bridge where fantasy and reality cross, or collide. Gilliam is a master at this fantasy/reality combination. According to IMDB one of the taglines to the movie was “It's about flights of fantasy. And the nightmare of reality.”.

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Another trick that directors pull is to show the character’s face in the mirror, to signify the character’s moment of self-reflection. But of course, the character is looking at you, the viewer. If we can see his face, then logically the actor is looking at the camera lens. So who’s reality is in question here? The viewers?

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:34 PM

Eye’s Wide Shut:

While the whole film is about the Elite/Illuminati, as with any movie that deals with the concepts of individual vursus ‘state/society’ the questions that are asked go to the very basis of reality. Who can you trust? What is real?

After the first scene at the party where the notion of infidelity is introduced, Alice (very apt name huh?) and Bill gaze in the mirror together; a moment of reflection; contemplating recent events and deciding how to embark upon a course.

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A little later they get stoned together in a scene that introduces some changes to their realities and also reinforces the theme of infidelity, setting the movie and the characters along the chain of events at the main focus of the story.

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This is a medicine cabinet in the bathroom, where Alice takes out a sticking-plaster box that contains their weed; a mind altering drug stored behind a reality altering device - the mirror. For the purposes of the overall scene there is no reason for it to be there. They could have stashed the dope under the bed or in a cabinet. Kubrick was not just a movie director, he was also an artist, and every shot is a composition. This is a very deliberate set up.

Immediately following this shot Alice and Bill get high and end up having an argument. The scene is cleverly scripted to reflect the distorted reality of the characters; the argument is blown out of proportion; it is not grounded in reality.

This is also an early turning point in the movie as it introduces a change in footing in the relationship as Alice reveals her sexual fantasies, prompting Bill to actively seek to act out his.

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:41 PM

Contact:

This not really a ‘Through the Looking Glass’ moment that questions reality like the other films in this review, but it is a definite transition from one reality to another in another way. The panicked girl is reaching for the medicine cupboard for her Dad’s medicine. Her ‘failure’ to get it to him in time results in his death and Ellie an orphan, alone, her idyllic world gone forever. Her reality is irreversibly changed at this moment in the mirror.

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This is a brilliantly filmed sequence; the camera has followed the girl all the way from downstairs, and along the landing you can see behind her in one long continuos take, emphasising the distorted reality of the girl in panic as she tries to run fast but seems to take a long time. All of this it turns out is shot from within the mirror. (If you get the chance, check it out, it is phenomenal) The viewer does not realise we are watching the action in a mirror until Ellie reaches out for it, a showing off of extreme directorial skill! But this is not just a random practical showing-off, it is a very prominent mirror portraying a transitional moment. This cannot be an accident, as the execution of this shot must have created an enormous production headache and represents a major investment of money, time and effort to pull off.

Interestingly, on another level, the signal that Ellie intercepts from Vega is analysed and found to be a picture of Hitler opening the 1936 Berlin Olympics. This is an image from the first television transmission from Earth that was strong enough to travel into outer space, which has been received by Vega and transmitted back; another reflection.

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:42 PM

Blade Runner:

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This is a famous image from a memorable scene in Blade Runner. Deckard is examining some photos that were recovered as evidence at the start of the investigation. He zooms in on a photo and focuses on this round mirror, zooming even closer this provides a pivotal clue.

This is another movie pivotal moment in the ‘reality-line’ of the main character, and sets Deckard off on a journey that forms the main narrative of the film, the hunt for the missing replicants. It is also a metaphorical reflection of Deckard’s own sub-conscious.

Photographs represent memories, and sometimes can represent souls. Here Deckard is closely examining a photograph, at first without much purpose He meets Rachael, who is a replicant and unaware of that fact. She talks of her childhood memories, and Deckard proves to her that they are not ‘real’ as he know every detail of very specific memories. Rachael’s reality is thus shattered. . Later we are given more clues to the real them of the movie – is Deckard a replicant himself without knowing it?

The clue is that Deckard is subconsciously examining his own memories to affirm the reality of his existence. In finding a mirror in that memory/photo it might be raising a question mark over the reality of that memory.

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:45 PM

Twelve Monkeys:

James Cole is press-ganged to be sent back in time to the 1990s to investigate the events leading up to a virus epidemic that wiped out 99% of the world’s population. The moving back and forth through time has a distorting effect on Cole who begins to doubt his own reality, especially when he is incarcerated in an asylum and declared as mentally divergent. At this moment in the movie, Cole is having an ‘epiphany moment’ and embracing his own madness, declaring that time travel is impossible and he therefore must be insane. Up until now Cole has held onto his convictions and a firm grasp of the reality he is in; at this moment there is a release as he accepts the view that has been forced on him by everyone else, that he is insane and his reality is in fact a self-deluded fantasy..

The pool is acting as a ‘pool of reflection’ as Cole examines his own mentality. It then acts as a portal to transport Cole to another world – which is the current reality of Cole’s present (circa 2035). Madeline sees Cole splashing in the pool, but when she turns back a second later he is gone.

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Approaching the end scene Cole goes into the rest-room to fix his disguise. Her is a multilayered mirror symbolism. Cole is in disguise, representing his character’s change of outlook. He is also being viewed in a mirror, giving a clue that this is a pivotal moment and things are about to change, or slip into a cross-over reality. In fact the following scene is the pivotal moment that is repeated as a motif throughout the movie – a half-remembered memory/dream of Cole as a boy seeing a man being shot at an airport, a vision which haunts him. It turns out that Cole is witnessing his own death, his future self returned to the past. This mirror acts as the bridge between the realities of Cole’s past, future and present which are converging on this moment, and could also represent the ‘passing through’ to the other side during death.

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Additionally, throughout the movie Cole has been hearing voices, which have been his own PTB getting messages to him. This has heightened the sense of distorted reality and by this point Cole is rejecting their role in his life. A voice is speaking to him from the cubicle behind him, but when he investigates it is an unconnected innocent by-passer. This is the mirror’s role, used multiple times in movies, to showg something in the mirror (in this case cleverly it is a voice not a vision) which does not appear in the ‘real world’.

white horse

08-01-2011, 08:46 PM

There you go Pixie, a little pressie for you, some juicy mirrors in movies! :)

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All done now...

white horse

08-01-2011, 09:43 PM

pixie_shhh

10-01-2011, 09:32 AM

oooo im loving the nature portals and the sasquatch one especially :)

the mirror info is really good too, especially as i hadnt thought about what a pain in the ass a mirror could be on set (and i LOVE collabrative brain storming:D i'd like to dig out my understanding of chequerboards so i can be put straight or have added info to put with it, i'm starting to see them as some kind of.. visual/morality portal (as opposed to the mirror visual/unreality) if there is such a thing lol...

I was thinking of starting up a sister-thread to this discussion - KNOWN realities... such as portrayed in fiction, movies,or even OBE locations and the information on it. Science tells us there are only so many dimensions, and i *think* so many parralells... if this is the case we'll be able to see similarities, distinct differences, and with a lot of thinking on the research materials we have all brought to the table, we should be able to start sorting out what tale is from what reality, and get a good look at the dreamscape each type paints :) Lets see our choices for where these portals might be able to take us should we ever stumble on a way to activate one lol.

(Here i just made it :) .. )

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059584700#post1059584700

hope see everybody there and this discussion still continues :)

biblegirl

10-01-2011, 04:00 PM

Wey white horse, well done with analyzing the mirrors used in hollywood, thanks :)

I actually didn't know they were used this way. However I noticed them in a LOT of horror/thriller movies, usually in bathrooms etc. when the character is in front of a mirror, you are put on edge about what the mirror is going to reveal is standing behind the character. Makes stuff more spooky for some reason.

white horse

10-01-2011, 09:01 PM

oooo im loving the nature portals and the sasquatch one especially :)

Yeah definately - i think that is awesome; yo have to realise that yo don't need 'technology' to be adanced - you just need a clear mind!

It would be hilarious if humans discovered a faster-than-light drive, and travelled to some distant planet under great fanfare hailing the brilliance of man after thousands of years of pain and progress... only to find the Yetis were there before us! I would wet myself!

the mirror info is really good too, especially as i hadnt thought about what a pain in the ass a mirror could be on set (and i LOVE collabrative brain storming:D i'd like to dig out my understanding of chequerboards so i can be put straight or have added info to put with it, i'm starting to see them as some kind of.. visual/morality portal (as opposed to the mirror visual/unreality) if there is such a thing lol...

Wey white horse, well done with analyzing the mirrors used in hollywood, thanks :)

I actually didn't know they were used this way. However I noticed them in a LOT of horror/thriller movies, usually in bathrooms etc. when the character is in front of a mirror, you are put on edge about what the mirror is going to reveal is standing behind the character. Makes stuff more spooky for some reason.

Yeah thanks girls, glad you got something out of them! - you might be surprised how quick and easy it was to find those examples - once you are aware of these signals they are easy to spot. My eyes light up everytime I see a mirror i a movie and I'm wondering where it's taking us/the character next!

Now you've seen them they'll become a really rpominent feature in a movie next time you see on!

I will have to look around, butn ow you mention it I am sure that a chracter will often have to cross a chequered floor as an analogy to a journey to a higher level, a test that must be passed.

white horse

10-01-2011, 10:51 PM

i'd like to dig out my understanding of chequerboards so i can be put straight or have added info to put with it, i'm starting to see them as some kind of.. visual/morality portal (as opposed to the mirror visual/unreality) if there is such a thing lol...

OK here's some info on chequer (or checker) board;

A good article here;
http://www.freemasoninformation.com/2009/03/the-checkered-flooring/

is a representation of the ground floor of King Solomon’s Temple” and is “emblematic of human life, checkered with good and evil.

I think there is also a link to chess in there; chess is always the game portrayed as being played against death for another chance of life. Its black and white nature reflecting the battle between good/evil; life/death. (There is no chance or chaos in Chess. It is a pure battle of wills.)

And here is a checker board flor in The Matrix;

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Trinity and Neo walk up this spiral staircase (an ascension) - filled with duality symbolism with the chequered floor. Neo is walking a path paved with good/evil; at the top of these stairs he is about to be given a choice; blue pill/red pill (opposites like black and white), reality/fantasy, in front of a mirror.

size_of_light

11-01-2011, 03:04 AM

What if your reflection isn't 'you' at all but is really just a skilled lookalike mimic from another dimension?

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:eek:

It's thought-provoking to consider that we come to identify ourselves through our reflections, yet those reflected persons are different to us.

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On which side of the chest is the heart located for each of these figures?

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Note that the heart of the reflected being is on the right side of his chest, whereas our hearts are located on the left side of ours.

So the figure we most powerfully identify with as a representation of ourselves is not the same as us.

If the figure in the mirror stepped through the barrier and into our world, all his features and internal organs would be in reverse.

Approximately one in 10,000 people in our world actually have this 'reverse' condition, known as Situs Inversus:

Situs inversus (also called situs transversus or oppositus) is a congenital condition in which the major visceral organs are reversed or mirrored from their normal positions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situs_inversus

Maybe at the point of conception or in later embryonic development, these people somehow 'swapped over' with their mirror counterparts and both ended up in the wrong dimensions.

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I've heard that true (non-reversing) mirrors can have profoundly positive, healing affects on people's psyches when they first encounter their real selves reflected.

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Here's Looking At You, by Richard O'Mara

From John Walter's perspective, too many of us have our self-image backward. He hopes his 'True Mirror' will fix that.

NEW YORK - Do you know who you are? What you really look like? Does your mirror tell the truth?

Of course it doesn't. It conceals things by distorting them. Hold a newspaper up to a mirror. Can you read it? Not unless you can read backward.

Hold up your watch. Can you tell the time? Not unless your eyes and mind can effortlessly reverse the numbers to counter the mirror's effect. Mirrors do elfin things like this. They obscure the plain, encode the clear.

Most people don't think about it much, John Walter does.

Walter is a thin man with wakeful eyes and a quiet voice full of patience. For about 20 years now he has been preoccupied with the effects common mirrors have on people's sense of self-identity. It has encouraged him to formulate some eccentric theories - one about what your hair part means - and to invent a device to counter the mendacity of mirrors. He calls his invention the "True Mirror." Not only does his mirror reflect back a page of text that is perfectly intelligible, it introduces you to someone you rarely encounter: yourself. It's not the self you shave every morning or apply makeup to. It is the face your wife kisses, your girlfriend slaps, the face you must, at some point in your life, turn to the music.

Mirror, mirror

That there is a difference between your mirror image and the real you may be something you are already aware of. Maybe you don't care. After all, your real image is knowable. It is revealed in photographs or on video. But for most people, it is the mirror that tells them each day who they are, what they look like. And it lies to them. Walter is a 39-year-old New Yorker, a computer scientist with a degree in physics who does consulting work. In his spare time he assembles the True Mirrors by hand. He and his 34-year old sister, Catherine, a sometime movie actress who studied anthropology, operate out of a minute, dull apartment in the warren of the financial district in lower Manhattan. Currently they are looking for a storefront to open a shop; they are working with a New Jersey plastics company to find a way to industrialize production of their product. [The gallery/office/workshop is now located in the East Village].

They seem a very contemporary pair, bright and attractive, manifestly levelheaded - except, perhaps, for that dubious business about the hair part.

But there is nothing dubious about the True Mirror, which is really two mirrors joined in a box at a perfect 90-degree angle. When one looks into the box, the reflected image is not only true, but three-dimensional.

The Walters are convinced their device is the first perfect realization of an idea that has been around for some time, frequently patented but never produced without flaws. John Walter discovered the first patent for the idea when he went to patent his own device, about seven years ago. It had been registered by a Catholic priest named John Joseph Hooker, who lived in Derby, England. Hooker intended to create "certain and useful Mirrors for Obtaining True or Positive Reflections." His patent was recorded Sept. 27, 1887.

But the Walters found no evidence that Hooker ever built his mirror. Nor have they seen any products that might have flowed from the 15 other patents for the device that have been registered over the years. Whatever, the idea is now in the public domain, and what the Walters' patent is for is the trademark name, True Mirror.

John Walter says he made about a hundred variations of the True Mirror before he got it right. The problem was a vexing seam in the center of the image, where the two mirrors come together. He eradicated this by using high-quality optical glass, and placing the reflective material on the front of the glass instead of the back, where it is on conventional mirrors.

The Walters have been selling True Mirrors for about six years, by word of mouth mainly. Brian Connolly, a New Yorker, who publishes a magazine called Natural Health and Fitness, bought one and used it for introspection. "I look into it for five or 10 minutes three or four times a week," he said. "It reveals parts of me I'm very unfamiliar with."

Mixed reactions

So far the Walter's marketing plan has been unaggressive. Mainly they display their mirror at street fairs. They have drawn interesting reactions.

"Some people love it. Some people hate it. Some people have even run away screaming," said John Walter. "Then there were people who said they didn't see any difference." And to a few come painful moments of self-recognition.

Walter recalls a movie actress who took one look into the True Mirror and exclaimed that she finally understood why she was always getting cast in roles portraying "tough, hard-boiled women." Before that moment, she said, she never could understand why people would see her that way.

To both John and Catherine Walter, the True Mirror is more than a device that might make money (which it may if they succeed in automating production and bring the price down from the $200 to $300 to somewhere near $70 for the small one. There are no plans for the moment to automate production of the larger mirror, which reflects the image from head to waist. Whatever the price, it is, to the Walters, a machine capable of healing a stymied psyche by correcting a flawed self-perception. It promises restored self-confidence, they believe.

And some of it, at least, has to do with the way a person divides the hair on his head. Skepticism about this is certainly permissible, though it is probably inadvisable to laugh out loud. John Walter is obviously balanced and well-integrated, not the sort easily led by fanciful notions. His training in physics and computer science inclines him to rational, analytical thought.

The flawed part

Walter's youth was none too happy, he admits. He was not shunned, but neither was he widely popular. "I had three or four friends to my name," he recalls. "I was leaning toward being a nerd. I was very introverted, spent a lot of time by myself as opposed to being out and about."

He couldn't figure out what the problem was. He was amiable, good-looking. His mirror told him that.

Then one day, while looking in that mirror he realized that he parted his hair differently from most others. He parted on the right. Nearly everybody else parted on the left - where the flat, reversing mirror showed his part to be.

Not knowing really why - maybe he felt he might do better socially if he conformed - he joined the majority and began parting his hair on the left. Life changed.

"I began having a great time," he said. "I had lots of friends. I was 19 at the time and it was very strange."

He was not entirely convinced by this experience that the way a person arranges his hair could so dramatically alter self-presentation. So he began observing people with this in mind. He collected photographs of the famous: actors, presidents, politicians. His sister got involved, and eventually they formulated a theory:

"A left hair part draws unconscious attention to the activities that are controlled by the left hemisphere of the brain, i.e. activities traditionally attributed to masculinity. A right hair part draws unconscious attention to the activities that are controlled by the right hemisphere of the brain, i.e. activities traditionally attributed to femininity."

The Walters deduced that men and women whose hair part is not in accord with their gender face difficulties. (Women are more favorably seen if they part on the right, except for women in high-powered jobs traditionally performed by men; for them a left part is acceptable.) Right-parting men, the Walters conclude, are less popular, among other things. "They are usually abnormal," says John Walter." Among American presidents, for instance, the small percentage with right parts were not universally loved: John Tyler, James Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Chester Alan Arthur, Warren Harding.

Abraham Lincoln, Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan all had right parts, but switched to left. John Walter says he even wrote to President Carter in 1979 and urged him to switch from right to left, which he did a few weeks after Walter's letter. Not in time, apparently, to prevent being ousted by right-parter Ronald Reagan. Nor has he ever acknowledged that he made the switch on the advice of a stranger. (Bill Clinton's hair part leans to the right.)

Actors with right hair parts, according to the Walters' theory, usually portray specific kinds of characters: scientists, artists, villains, mentally disturbed people. Most masculine heroes are left-parters, as are most people.

The Walters suspect that people in show business - casting agents, directors, hair stylists - are aware of this distinction, if only subconsciously. Why else, they ask, would Christopher Reeve have his hair parted on the right while playing Clark Kent and on the left while playing Superman? Why, indeed?

It's not easy to know what to conclude about all this. John Walter himself admits "most people think it's off the wall." (A subtle nod of assent is permissible.)

Seeing reality

More reasonable, perhaps, is Catherine Walter's argument that the false information provided by a standard mirror can lead to an imperfect perception of the physical self, and this in turn can produce social awkwardness. The True Mirror, they assert, clearly corrects the problem, if it is one.

It is also true that gazing into this mirror can be unsettling, to degrees that vary from person to person. (I felt slightly uncomfortable, and after about 10 seconds wouldn't look again. But I was uncertain whether my faint unease came from the unexpected view of myself or the fact that two people were watching me watch myself.)

It is likely that any odd reactions have to do with the fact that when you look into the True Mirror, you are seeing a new face, not the face you are so accustomed to seeing in the mirror. The facial asymmetries that often present themselves in the True Mirror have always been there, but your brain, which searches for symmetry, and is your friend, has airbrushed them out. If you were to look into a True Mirror for several weeks the brain probably would do its word and they would disappear again.

But the True Mirror, as the Walters intend, is not for grooming. It's for introspection, for determining and fixing identity. Of course, certain professionals find uses for it, and these tend to make up the majority of the Walters' clientele. They include actors, dancers, portrait artists, psychiatrists - people like Dr. Gerald Epstein, a Manhattan psychiatrist, who exposes his patients to it.

"I've had people look into this mirror and get very upset, and have an imbalance, physically stumble," Epstein said.

He doesn't use it to treat specific disorders, "but to show people something about themselves they are not seeing. It has immediate therapeutic effect. It's as though they can see themselves as witnesses, step back and observe themselves instead of being wrapped up in the experience of themselves."

http://www.truemirror.com/default.asp

biblegirl

11-01-2011, 03:42 AM

oh man, i already know i'd be too scared to look into that true mirror thing...i don't even want to see pictures of myself doh

size_of_light

11-01-2011, 04:03 AM

oh man, i already know i'd be too scared to look into that true mirror thing...i don't even want to see pictures of myself doh

Have you ever stood with someone else looking into a bathroom mirror and noticed how distorted their faces look to you?

(...Maybe my girlfriend just had a weird expression on her face that night because of what was poking into the back of her leg at the time :eek: )

Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk! :D

But seriously folks...that's probably why a lot of people don't like seeing photos of themselves: the person in them looks distorted because they're used to identifying their appearance with the distorted mirror version that they mistakenly take as 'true'.

pixie_shhh

11-01-2011, 08:05 AM

The Symbolism

One thing we need to do in order to "see" behind the picture, is become symbol litterate. It's one thing to notice the symbols popping up, its another thing to know what that symbol means, and how it is being used.

Symbols are a language, not so much a code. Here i will give a brief overveiw with whatever information i know about it.

One thing to be aware of before you jump to the next part, is that these symbols predate religions and monuments. These religions that use the symbolism found them to be fitting to thier causes, and so have government uses for them.

Each symbol (Sigil) is directly involved with the theory of magick.

Revelant Information
The illness 'Multiple Personality Disorder" is no longer called that because science and research has shown that it isnt additional personalities that a person has, but a shattering of the personality.

Some people beleive that if the illuminati is a race/breed seperate from us humans, they have a "reptillian mind" that speaks only in symbols, and said symbols can act like computer command prompts, compelling the individuals to act according to the symbol.

MK ULTRA is a government project that uses trauma (torture) to shatter a persons personality. According to research conducted expressly for the project, when a personality shatters, a new one is "born". Methods are Shock Treatment, hallucinagenic drugs such as LSD and Ketamin. Project Monarch (butterfly) uses butterflies, kitten imagry, and red shoes.

Handlers are assigned to new MK ULTRA subjects, who in turn use emotional trauma to "contol" the mind, by feeding it information such as reasons for dependancy. The subject is groomed to compute symbols much in the same way of the Reptillian Mind.

Some people beleive that Through our own individual traumas and fears we have been manipulated on a much smaller scale through media and perception. The MTV speed that these images are being flashed at us repeatedly could indeed be influencing a lot of people throughout the world without them even knowing it.

According to those who research this subject, it has come to light Government steps in to induce trauma if there is none, and this doesnt just mean mk ultra subjecting, but false imprisonment, sectioning, social service involvment, auditing etc.

Through our own individual traumas and fears we have been manipulated on a much smaller scale through media and perception.

What we have been manipulated FOR is still under varied debate.

The Checkerboard has many different types of information attatched to it. The esoteric theory of Duality is accepting that you are 100% good and 100% bad. The checkerboard reminds those who know this that there must also be good and bad deeds. The masonic drawing board is depticted in art as being checkerboarded. One thing i found particuarly interesting was that in researching Alister Crowely's material that he suggests rituals to be made on a checkerboard floor, with blue boarders. The abuse that 'Mk Ultra' sufferers undergo supposedly happen on a checkerboard floor, as it can trance a person looking onto one. Checkerboard floors are naturally disorientating to the eye. You will find the checkerboard in a number of official buildings and uniforms including schools, police, government etc. Many stars checkerboard colours in thier fashion habbits especially for videos. The common colours to checkerboard is black&white, red&blue, purple&yellow.
What does it mean ?
When the presence of the checkerboard appears, it brings out the inborn knowledge of duality, (good and bad) and disasociates us from either.

Some people beleive that if the illuminati is a race/breed seperate from us humans, they have a "reptillian mind" that speaks only in symbols, and said symbols can act like computer command prompts (The spark of the idea of mind control?)

For those who can distance themselves from what it supposedly does to us, we can definately take the checkerboard pattern to mean that our morals are about to be comprimised and possibly even changed, and normally in an enviroment where we have to play by anothers rules of ettiquette.

Where can i see evidence of this so that i am not just taking your word ?
EVERYWHERE.

Okay i wrote that some time ago when i was trying to gear up a website - nitpickers welcome! It all kind of "flew" out of my fingertips and i left it how it was

pixie_shhh

11-01-2011, 08:19 AM

oh man, i already know i'd be too scared to look into that true mirror thing...i don't even want to see pictures of myself doh

my other half told me "never look into the back of a mirror or you'll see your true self" lol

[QUOTE=size_of_light;1059587216]Have you ever stood with someone else looking into a bathroom mirror and noticed how distorted their faces look to you?

yep i have actually

Wey white horse, well done with analyzing the mirrors used in hollywood, thanks :)

I actually didn't know they were used this way. However I noticed them in a LOT of horror/thriller movies, usually in bathrooms etc. when the character is in front of a mirror, you are put on edge about what the mirror is going to reveal is standing behind the character. Makes stuff more spooky for some reason.

is it me or are bathroom ghosts 100% more terrifying???

white horse

11-01-2011, 08:20 PM

oh man, i already know i'd be too scared to look into that true mirror thing...i don't even want to see pictures of myself doh

It is odd that the way we look and sound is differnet to how we REALLY look and sound.

We generally only see oudr own faces in a mirror. Which is probably why so many people hate photos of themeselves - the face actually looks unfamiliar, cos we see it in reverse.

And your voice sounds different - and people often are really surprised when they hear their own voices played back to them - we because we hear own own voice through our skulls, which is denser than air, and creates a different frequency vibration.

http://i55.tinypic.com/2mpms1i.jpg
Loving the Alice in a mirror ON a chequerd floor! Good find Size... :)

pixie_shhh

12-01-2011, 08:31 AM

water versus ice

16-01-2011, 12:28 PM

i'd like to dig out my understanding of chequerboards so i can be put straight or have added info to put with it, i'm starting to see them as some kind of.. visual/morality portal (as opposed to the mirror visual/unreality) if there is such a thing lol...

When i was studyn about masonry, illuminaty, i remember that in some documentary someone said the chequerboards are ussed as a portal, from one dimension to the other, ussed for rituals or a chance for other entities to come along with them, or even posses them.....

I was listening to some song and its name was lament configuration, and ive been searching for some info to it and it apears to be from a movie, and in that movie there was a cube/chubes as a puzzel like a rubik cube, and when it was finished it would link the 2 dimension.
So there could be puzzel portals 2, who knows.
The movie jumanji was also a game portal of some sort now that i think better :eek:

llanfairpwll

17-01-2011, 05:43 AM

The information above about the hair parts is interesting. I'm female and part my hair on the left. I've done it for years since my hairdresser said it looked best. I find that I'm not really well liked among other women (no problem with men though). I've had alot of backstabbing type experiences with women. Also, I get hit on alot by lesbians, maybe this is why? I'm straight and married by the way. I've always wondered why they hit on me. I'm going to change my part and see if it makes a difference.

Might be interesting to pull out the old high school yearbook and see what side the popular girls and guys parted their hair on.

kel1

17-01-2011, 12:53 PM

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=146408

the above thread covered quite a bit on this topic of mirrors :) it died a while ago but its definately worth a read as it covers mirror magick, and our perceptions of ourselves before we had an immaculate image from the mirror - i feel its relevant :D

Thanks for the link. This thread freaks me out though!

I always wondered why what the possible meaning of the checkerboard is. It is everywhere as well!

kel1

17-01-2011, 12:56 PM

What if your reflection isn't 'you' at all but is really just a skilled lookalike mimic from another dimension?

I really shouldn't read this before bed!:eek:

pixie_shhh

17-01-2011, 06:48 PM

Do a search on youtube for Occult Rituals In Pop Music .....voila :D the most in depth documentary ive ever seen on the subject unfortunately they only translated 5 0r 6 parts :/ Its up by the AvanteGuards

lol why does the mirror link scare you?

ufochick

17-01-2011, 07:41 PM

Anyone here bothered or attracted by the checkerboard pattern? I have always liked it for some reason. My kitchen floor (which I picked out) is dimond patterned (checkerboard turned 90 degrees) in brown and biege.

I used to hate seeing pics of me. Now I think I look better in the pics than in the mirror, I wonder what changed. Have any of you taken pics of yourself then reversed them like the mirror shows you? Do you like them any better that way?

For the brave try looking into a mirror at your face. Look directly at the third eye area for 5 minutes or so. Your reflection will change, quite weird.

pixie_shhh

17-01-2011, 11:56 PM

ufochick Anyone here bothered or attracted by the checkerboard pattern? I have always liked it for some reason. My kitchen floor (which I picked out) is dimond patterned (checkerboard turned 90 degrees) in brown and biege.

I used to hate seeing pics of me. Now I think I look better in the pics than in the mirror, I wonder what changed. Have any of you taken pics of yourself then reversed them like the mirror shows you? Do you like them any better that way?

For the brave try looking into a mirror at your face. Look directly at the third eye area for 5 minutes or so. Your reflection will change, quite weird

I always quite liked the chequerboard pattern myself, i never got around to doing it here as the kitchen was already decorated but we'd planned black and white themed decor including the tiling.

Ive researched a lot in the past (i've been trying to find leads for new information lately but just havnt come across any) as its well and good to know how to spot the symbolism, and even its esoterical meaning, but unless we learn how to put it into PRACTISE and then reverse it to see how its being practised on US (i've seen evidence it is, and anybody with a brain just needs to turn on the music video channels or flip through youtube to see similar ways its used, and thats just one example) then everybody is just wasting thier time "look theres a chequerboard ILLUMINATI-whats for dinner???" ...

I read an alister crowely ritual where he said the room was to have black and white chequerboard flooring with a BLUE border... funny how i see a black and white chequerboard flooring with a BLUE border at my daughters school reception/hallway?? Now whilst i havnt worked out that particular significance yet, i HAVE worked out that the most messed up stuff is said/done on a chequerboard, and it tends to fly by as normal - even to myself before i started to try and work out where the manipulation of it was.

Official buildings will have the chequerboard, not just schools, keep an eye out, because i *think* i've decoded it to playing by other peoples rules, and they in themselves are pretty messed up rules, that we stand and think "i think this is dumb but its the way that its done HERE ... its easier to go with it than resist it (even in subtle amounts where imprisonment etc isnt an issue).... so thats my own little findings and what i wrote up top about it is how i *think* it is...currently.

I DID read/watch however that the point of duality in the theme of symbolic manipulation is to keep us obsessed with it?? which i realised i kinda had been and it set me back a bit, and i didnt know if it was bullshit or if i wanted it to be??? but thats the only place i found it, and i cant remember where i DID... if anybody has thoughts on that side of it i'd love to hear it. I love to be dualistic in my dress etc it makes me feel a little bit more put together, and i guess powerful in my own self.. i'm not a fashion minded girly girl by any stretch, but i like to dress sophisticated in my whorewear lmao.

They say that reptillians (not that i personally beleive that stuff), and monach slaves have reptillian MINDS that decode images as orders (that much i can digest) ...... but i do beleive they have done it to the public too, to a degree..... how intimidated have we been in the past at being at an office with the chequerboard and not had any clue it MIGHT be to do with the decor..... lol i dont remember personally.

Whilst i'm at it incase anybody was skimming over posts it was said above that chequerboards can be used for demon portals (or thats how i took it lol im in a rush to go and eat my dinner and dont have time to look)

pixie_shhh

29-01-2011, 01:38 AM

heres a must see video that combines many of the UFO/Drug/Legendary portals we've spoken about and the types of beings inside them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qgMFO0KU-I