What's So Bad About Israel And Jews?

[biblegirl]

In 100 words or less. I've been on this forum 2 years and I still can't comprehend what people are on about in regard to this subject. There's so much accusation and forum infighting with raging emotions, I haven't been able to decipher the actual problem. Why are tensions so high on this subject? Does Icke talk about this in his books? Can someone please tell me in 100 words or less, what is the complaint against Jews in general or Israel in general. PLEASE NO LINKS OR CUT AND PASTES. I am interested in your own words only, what exactly is the conspiracy and how does it involve them. I would really appreciate it as I have been curious and confused for quite some time. Thank you!

[montag]

Well you could begin with the oppression and displacement of the Palestinian people from their lands. That and the fact that although the Jewish people claim Israel to be their traditional homeland, 90% of them are of Eastern European decent and have no blood ties to the original Israelites.

[azzx]

Icke never really did (if I remember correctly). But further investigation of his statements and other events implies that jews are bad, bad, bad.

[cathar]

Well you could begin with the oppression and displacement of the Palestinian people from their lands. That and the fact that although the Jewish people claim Israel to be their traditional homeland, 90% of them are of Eastern European decent and have no blood ties to the original Israelites.

+1

@ biblegirl...perhaps your lack of understanding is related to the

idea that you don't want to understand,,,,Years of programming by Hollywood

movies can be hard to break....I can personally attest to that,,,,,:)

[neo_shiffer]

From what I remember David Icke said most of the "jews" that settled in Israel were from Khazaria in Eastern Europe, not from the region that is now Israel. They are a Turkish tribe or similar that converted to Judaism, so they have little or nothing to do with that region to begin with. And still they took land from the Palestinians to put the "Jews" there, taking more and more land with the years, killing Palestinians. I know they destroyed their olive trees and everything, making sure they wouldn't grow, I've seen this in a documentary. It is also said that this Zionist regime has little to nothing to do with real Jews. From what I know real Jews, like real Muslims, are peaceloving people.

[ladybird]

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The truth does not come from others, it comes from within 1 self.

But you must work for it.

There are uncountable threads on this forum dealing with this topic because many people realise
that everythings goes down to the holocaust/shoa.
Make the effort to read at least one of those threads completely.

Or just believe what others say.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke#Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion_and_the _Holocaust

MSM on David Icke.

Nobody can make up your mind but your SELF.

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[eternal_spirit]

Talmud Orthodoxy - halakhic law courts (the collective body of Jewish religious law, including biblical law and later talmudic and rabbinic law, as well as customs and traditions)
means inequality between none Jews and Jews by laws.

Judaic Communists and their role in setting up Israel, you know the ones who slaughtered millions of Christians, Muslims and others - before, during and after world war2.

[biblegirl]

Thank you for the replies!

Okay so if I understand correctly what has been said here, it is a fight about the land. A group of questionable descent claimed Israel was theirs? So the residents were kicked off the land while this new group moved in?

@ biblegirl...perhaps your lack of understanding is related to the

idea that you don't want to understand

Thank you for your concern :p but i can't imagine anyone of above average intelligence being able to skim the mess on this forum and have any real concept of what the problem is on this topic, without prior knowledge.

Originally, I was taught to believe that Jews were God's chosen people more or less, and that we weren't allowed to think ill of them etc etc., and that it was a Christian victory when Jews became a nation again in 1940....or something like that. When I got more into conspiracies, I was finding that a lot of the big names in movies, banks, politics, etc. were Jews (right?). Which made me think maybe the loomies are hiding behind a nationality to get away with certain things. So this put a new slant on the whole anti-semitism propaganda for me. (Why did Jews get their own word for racism? If you're racist against anyone else it's just called racist, right?) And of course, the political support by our country is enough to raise suspicions. Israel seems to have money, and political control. Two things which I would not necessarily expect from a legitimately spiritual and persecuted nation.

So is the problem not the "Jews" per se, so much as it is the Jew wannabes who are wanting to be called Jews and to live on the land which is supposed to be Jews only??

Icke never really did (if I remember correctly). But further investigation of his statements and other events implies that jews are bad, bad, bad.

hahaha, thanks

It is also said that this Zionist regime has little to nothing to do with real Jews. From what I know real Jews, like real Muslims, are peaceloving people.

This is a helpful explanation, thank you. From reading some of this forum, one might conclude that anyone born of Jewish ancestry is predisposed to be a bad person in general, and out to get the rest of the world :eek:.

Ah yes, and then there is the holocaust debate. I am always open to the possibility that the history books are biased, or in some cases just plain lying. So I think my only real question on that is, if the holocaust was faked, exaggerated etc., what would have been the primary motive for doing that?

I appreciate that you guys have been so accommodating on this. You can call me a sheltered American or whatever you want, I just would like to figure this business out so I can say something intelligent about it someday :D.

[ladybird]

From reading some of this forum, one might conclude that anyone born of Jewish ancestry is predisposed to be a bad person in general, and out to get the rest of the world :eek:.

Interesting.

I got the impression that everyone born of German ancestry
and NOT bowing down to the lies any longer
is predisposed to be a bad person in general ....

So perception is as individual as the users descent here.
The point of view - literally - differs because there are e. g. Jews, Zionists, Germans, Irish .... here.
That is why there are so many threads on this topic
and so many discussions going on.

I am glad that discussion is at least possible on foreign forums
because in Germany this is prohibited by harsh laws.

If you want to understand the various points of views
start with the "Holocaust a Hoax" thread and read carefully.

Just mho.

You find more links to topics of global importance in my signature.
Unfortunately the current world situation got completely tied to my country.
Only time will tell ...

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[metacomet]

I understand that the nation of Israel has pushed palestinians out of their homeland. The fact remains such conquest has been carried out countless times all over the world -

America is founded on the murdering of millions of Native Americans. Nobody sits around crying about how evil America is for that fact. It was the American government that promoted genocide of Natives when peaceful cohabitation was possible.

In the Middle East the same is true. An Empire tasked it's people with wiping out and replacing the natives because the land was seen as glorious, holy, invaluable (which I hear the Middle East and Israel is).

The issue is that there is so much "Dirty Jew this, sneaky Jew that" attitude amongst people. That is racism. It's not a political stance.

There is a difference between "The nation of Israel is evil" and "Jews are evil" and I don't think many people know where to draw that line.

If fair is fair, then I have to say emphatically that white people are the most evil beings on the planet and have accomplished more atrocities than the Jews could ever be held accountable for.

I don't see the point in hating people for living in evil nations... we are all guilty of that.

[dollanaqua]

In 100 words or less. I've been on this forum 2 years and I still can't comprehend what people are on about in regard to this subject.

Two years is a very long time for any person to be on a forum related to truth-seeking and 'not yet understand' why Israel is a much discussed subject on 'all' forums related to truth-seeking.

There's so much accusation and forum infighting with raging emotions, I haven't been able to decipher the actual problem.

Your user-name is 'biblegirl', may i ask you why you chose that name ?

My reason for asking is because i do not think it unreasonable to say that anyone who has good knowledge of the bible should find it very easy to 'decipher the problem' you are referring to.

Why are tensions so high on this subject ?Can someone please tell me in 100 words or less, what is the complaint against Jews in general or Israel in general. PLEASE NO LINKS OR CUT AND PASTES. I am interested in your own words only, what exactly is the conspiracy and how does it involve them. I would really appreciate it as I have been curious and confused for quite some time. Thank you!

If you genuinely wanted to know or genuinely cared about the 'truth' that lies behind the history of 'The Modern State of Israel' you would not have to ask anyone else here. You would have done what all genuine truth-seekers do and not stop doing it until you are satisfied that you have found the truth.

Genuine truth-seekers read books on a wide range of subjects, mostly history. They do not rely upon the drivel spoon-fed to them in school text-books - 'programmes'. Neither do they rely upon television 'programmes' or Hollywood movie 'programmes'. Before the internet, i studied world history for many years, i read every history book i could get my hands on from good book shops mostly but also libraries, i still read history books as well as using the internet. I suggest you do the same - 'if you are genuine.' ;)

[armoured_amazon]

In 100 words or less. I've been on this forum 2 years and I still can't comprehend what people are on about in regard to this subject. There's so much accusation and forum infighting with raging emotions, I haven't been able to decipher the actual problem. Why are tensions so high on this subject? Does Icke talk about this in his books? Can someone please tell me in 100 words or less, what is the complaint against Jews in general or Israel in general. PLEASE NO LINKS OR CUT AND PASTES. I am interested in your own words only, what exactly is the conspiracy and how does it involve them. I would really appreciate it as I have been curious and confused for quite some time. Thank you!

Nothing wrong with Jews. Zionist imposters, however...YHWH has not yet sent Y'Shua to create Israel, but Zionist politicians and religious leaders took it upon themselves to do so, slaughtering many who already dwell there. That's not by divine appointment. There are many Jews, including devout Rabbis that are anti-Zionism.

Real Jews rock. :)

[metacomet]

Two years is a very long time for any person to be on a forum related to truth-seeking and 'not yet understand' why Israel is a much discussed subject on 'all' forums related to truth-seeking.



Your user-name is 'biblegirl', may i ask you why you chose that name ?

My reason for asking is because i do not think it unreasonable to say that anyone who has good knowledge of the bible should find it very easy to 'decipher the problem' you are referring to.



If you genuinely wanted to know or genuinely cared about the 'truth' that lies behind the history of 'The Modern State of Israel' you would not have to ask anyone else here. You would have done what all genuine truth-seekers do and not stop doing it until you are satisfied that you have found the truth.

Genuine truth-seekers read books on a wide range of subjects, mostly history. They do not rely upon the drivel spoon-fed to them in school text-books - 'programmes'. Neither do they rely upon television 'programmes' or Hollywood movie 'programmes'. Before the internet, i studied world history for many years, i read every history book i could get my hands on from good book shops mostly but also libraries, i still read history books as well as using the internet. I suggest you do the same - 'if you are genuine.' ;)

What a bullshit and pompous post.

Instead of explaining even one aspect of Israel you rant about what it is to be a 'genuine truth seeker'.

If you are a genuine truth seeker than you must be willing to share the truth - not admonish people for asking questions.

[biblegirl]

Dollanaqua, your spam style posts are perfect examples of why this subject is such a chore to glean real info from...and now you have made a long post on THIS thread that contributes no information pertaining to the subject.

Do you have an opinion on the Israel and the Jew situation? (links and copy/pastes from other sites don't count)

[metacomet]

I agree. Good post.



Read my signature thread ;)

30 AD Jews murder Jesus Christ, or rather, have him killed, as some prefer. The event in sum: Jesus is brought before Pilate charged with various crimes. Pilate declares him innocent. The crowd of Jews angrily demand his death.

Yeah I stopped reading after that.

I already made a post about blaming an entire race / nation of people for the action of their government.

Blaming Jews for the death of Christ ... blah.

[dollanaqua]

Nothing wrong with Jews. Zionist imposters, however...YHWH has not yet sent Y'Shua to create Israel, but Zionist politicians and religious leaders took it upon themselves to do so, slaughtering many who already dwell there. That's not by divine appointment. There are many Jews, including devout Rabbis that are anti-Zionism.

Real Jews rock. :)

I agree. Good post.

"I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. . . . Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."

What a bullshit and pompous post.

Instead of explaining even one aspect of Israel you rant about what it is to be a 'genuine truth seeker'.

If you are a genuine truth seeker than you must be willing to share the truth - not admonish people for asking questions.

Read my signature thread ;)

[dollanaqua]

Yeah I stopped reading after that.

I already made a post about blaming an entire race / nation of people for the action of their government.

Blaming Jews for the death of Christ ... blah.

"Those who call themselves Jews but are not."

[dollanaqua]

Dollanaqua, your spam style posts are perfect examples of why this subject is such a chore to glean real info from...and now you have made a long post on THIS thread that contributes no information pertaining to the subject.

Do you have an opinion on the Israel and the Jew situation? (links and copy/pastes from other sites don't count)

A very simple and easy to understand opinion yes.

The huge vast majority of people in 'Palestine' whose name has been changed 'by' usurpers and tyrants to 'Israel' are not 'real' Jews. Most people, including myself, have no issue at all with 'real' Jews. 'Real' Jews do not usure, steal from or terrorise each other or anyone else. 'Real' Jews would not elect terrorists to lead them nor would they allow terrorists to lead them.

Comprende ?

[ladybird]

Two years is a very long time for any person to be on a forum related to truth-seeking and 'not yet understand' why Israel is a much discussed subject on 'all' forums related to truth-seeking.



Your user-name is 'biblegirl', may i ask you why you chose that name ?

My reason for asking is because i do not think it unreasonable to say that anyone who has good knowledge of the bible should find it very easy to 'decipher the problem' you are referring to.



If you genuinely wanted to know or genuinely cared about the 'truth' that lies behind the history of 'The Modern State of Israel' you would not have to ask anyone else here. You would have done what all genuine truth-seekers do and not stop doing it until you are satisfied that you have found the truth.

Genuine truth-seekers read books on a wide range of subjects, mostly history. They do not rely upon the drivel spoon-fed to them in school text-books - 'programmes'. Neither do they rely upon television 'programmes' or Hollywood movie 'programmes'. Before the internet, i studied world history for many years, i read every history book i could get my hands on from good book shops mostly but also libraries, i still read history books as well as using the internet. I suggest you do the same - 'if you are genuine.' ;)


Oh, at least someone with balls!

I did not dare to speak so bluntly -
lacking them ;)

:)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Dollanaqua, your spam style posts are perfect examples of why this subject is such a chore to glean real info from...and now you have made a long post on THIS thread that contributes no information pertaining to the subject.

Do you have an opinion on the Israel and the Jew situation? (links and copy/pastes from other sites don't count)

Ahoy!!!!!!!!! Biblegirl, I'm disregarding your request/suggestion as many of your respondees need to upgrade their Data from the sewer grade propaganda they have lapped up.

Israel has been a Blessing to multitudes of Palestinians which is why they still immigrate because Israel provides a Pluralistic Democratic Government, higher standards of Pay/Health/Education and opportunity.

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

The Palestinians never cared much about that area, very small nomadic populations, only when the Zionists claimed it did they get bitchy.

Their, the Palestinian and other Arab Leaders have misused and abused them for decades. Since the 1930s the Palestinians have been offerd an Contguous and Autonomous Nation, their leaders refuse.

After the events of WWll, the Shoa, it became imperative for the Jews to resettle in their Homeland. They are now a Muscular Jew that will not be herded meekly into Boxcars.

As a 100% Nordic Gentile I support the Jews, Israel and Zionism, and I'll back it up.

Considering how ignorant and stupid the majority of Bigots are, I figger I can waste them by the 1,000s. lol, with a machete.

Must Reads or stay ignorant haters.

Who Owns Jerusalem?
http://ldolphin.org/psalm2.html


For the Sake of Heaven and Earth, by Irving (Yitz) Greenberg)
Jewish Publication Society

http://books.kolel.org/2009/01/for-sake-of-heaven-and-earth-by-irving.html

Middle East News and Reference

http://www.mideastweb.org/


A Definition of Zionism:
Zionism is the national revival movement of the Jewish people. It holds that the Jews have the right to self-determination in their own national home, and the right to develop their national culture. Historically, Zionism strove to create a legally recognized national home for the Jews in their historical homeland. This goal was implemented by the creation of the State of Israel. Today, Zionism supports the existence of the state of Israel and helps to inspire a revival of Jewish national life, culture and language.

http://www.zionism-israel.com/
Controversy - Definitions of Zionism are controversial. The above definition is intended to be historically correct and tries not to exclude any Zionist group or make Zionism the "property" of a particular political faction. Other definitions may either delegitimize Zionism intentionally, or may do so unintentionally and may introduce distortions of various types. There are many definitions of Zionism that we will explore below.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,False claims of anti-Zionism
Contrary to the claims of anti-Zionists, Zionism did not seek to set up a "Jewish exclusivist" state in the land of Israel, or plot to expel the Arabs of Palestine, nor was Zionism ever a militaristic, fascist type movement, though there were militaristic Zionists. Zionism was a non-militaristic movement in its foundation, rather pacifist in orientation. Early Zionists ignored the claims of Arab nationalism, because there was no Arab nationalism evident in the land of Israel, and because of their own ignorance of actual conditions in the land. Beginning about 1905, Zionists took cognizance of Arab nationalism, but usually assumed that Zionism and Arab nationalism could work together, and that Zionism could benefit the Arabs of Palestine. Theodor Herzl's utopia, Altneuland, described the future Jewish state as a multipluralistic democracy where Jews and Arabs lived as equals.

The enemies of Zionism tend to identify "Zionism" with the worst and most unfortunate acts of misguided extremists. They insist that Zionism is racism, and accuse Zionism of crimes ranging to deliberately planning to expel the Arabs to instigating the French Revolution. They often paint all Zionists as religious fanatics from Brooklyn intent on rebuilding the third temple, murdering or expelling the Arabs of Palestine and creating a "Jewish exclusivist" state that encompasses huge areas of the Middle East. They depict Zionism as a "pernicious plot" that controls European and American governments, just as anti-Semites depicted Jews as plotting to subvert governments and achieve world domination. They insist, nonetheless, that they are not anti-Semitic, though they deny the right of the Jews to self-determination.

http://zionism-israel.com/issues/

Zionism
A History of Zionism
http://zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm

Are Jews Generic?

http://entitledtoanopinion.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/sowellgeneric.pdf



Biblegirl, I disregarded your request because this is a life and death issue, the Euro-Trash on this board is working overtime publishing every lie and calumny they can create as fast as they can

The Nazi Roots of Today's Jihad. From Berlin to today
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/


Jihad and Jew-Hatred: Islamism, Nazism and the Roots of 9/11 (hardcover)
by Matthias Küntzel
http://www.telospress.com/main/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=324

The True Roots of Palestinian Nationalism and Islamic Jihad
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2009/01/true-roots-of-palestinian-nationalism.html

Since 1000 CE the Jews have been Hectored by the Euro-Trash, driven out of their countries so the Euro Trash could steal their wealth and property which they coveted, so now the Jews are in their homeland and able to kick Euro-Trash ass and the Euro-Trash are upset.

Go figger........... :rolleyes:

The Ignorant Bigots/Haters/Liars have really turned this Board into Stormfront Lite.

In light of the increased quality of new information; I think Mr. Icke should review his position on Jews, Israel, and the Bible and issue a New Policy Paper with an updated position. Chapter2 of the Biggest secret is replete with errors that peeps believe and take to heart.

Make no doubt, Mr. Icke is stained and branded by the likes of Eternal Spirit, with 27,300 Posts of ignorant, lying hatred and his ilk and collegues.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) and have a nice day

[dollanaqua]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!!

A little present for your tree.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:K3Mn33VFwWG5iM:http://www.santaballs.co.uk/images/sb070061_215.jpg&t=1

[montag]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!! Biblegirl, I'm disregarding your request/suggestion as many of your respondees need to upgrade their Data from the sewer grade propaganda they have lapped up.

Israel has been a Blessing to multitudes of Palestinians which is why they still immigrate because Israel provides a Pluralistic Democratic Government, higher standards of Pay/Health/Education and opportunity.

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

The Palestinians never cared much about that area, very small nomadic populations, only when the Zionists claimed it did they get bitchy.

Their, the Palestinian and other Arab Leaders have misused and abused them for decades. Since the 1930s the Palestinians have been offerd an Contguous and Autonomous Nation, their leaders refuse.
I think you misunderstood the OP snoops, the "have a laugh" forum is that way>>>>>:D

[ladybird]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!! Biblegirl, I'm disregarding your request/suggestion as many of your respondees need to upgrade their Data from the sewer grade propaganda they have lapped up.

Israel has been a Blessing to multitudes of Palestinians which is why they still immigrate because Israel provides a Pluralistic Democratic Government, higher standards of Pay/Health/Education and opportunity.

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

The Palestinians never cared much about that area, very small nomadic populations, only when the Zionists claimed it did they get bitchy.

Their, the Palestinian and other Arab Leaders have misused and abused them for decades. Since the 1930s the Palestinians have been offerd an Contguous and Autonomous Nation, their leaders refuse.



Reading this hymn I increasingly start to understand the Palestinians ....


Reminds me of PAN-EU/NWO mastermind Earl COUDENHOVE-KALERGI
and his ZIONIST propaganda publication "Practical Idealism".



"Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe’s feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation."


YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDJByNjilu0

[eternal_spirit]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!! Biblegirl, I'm disregarding your request/suggestion as many of your respondees need to upgrade their Data from the sewer grade propaganda they have lapped up.

Israel has been a Blessing to multitudes of Palestinians which is why they still immigrate because Israel provides a Pluralistic Democratic Government, higher standards of Pay/Health/Education and opportunity.

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

The Palestinians never cared much about that area, very small nomadic populations, only when the Zionists claimed it did they get bitchy.

Their, the Palestinian and other Arab Leaders have misused and abused them for decades. Since the 1930s the Palestinians have been offerd an Contguous and Autonomous Nation, their leaders refuse.

Pop quiz

Hezzbola and Hamas. (Islamic fundamentalists) Israel's worst enemies..?

One is Sunni and the other Shiah? Which is which?

They don't like each-other so much eh? Two sects infighting?

Come on Snoops tell us all something interesting this should be your topic ...without screaming and name calling if you can:D

Do you believe many Jews (who settled in countries around the planet) can trace their ancestry and lineage DNA genes back to Israel (Jerusalem) or whatever you'd call it..?

[ladybird]

What about the BETA?

Do you still treat them like cattle in the holey land?

[lightgiver]

In 100 words or less. I've been on this forum 2 years and I still can't comprehend what people are on about in regard to this subject. There's so much accusation and forum infighting with raging emotions, I haven't been able to decipher the actual problem. Why are tensions so high on this subject? Does Icke talk about this in his books? Can someone please tell me in 100 words or less, what is the complaint against Jews in general or Israel in general. PLEASE NO LINKS OR CUT AND PASTES. I am interested in your own words only, what exactly is the conspiracy and how does it involve them. I would really appreciate it as I have been curious and confused for quite some time. Thank you!

If you ask me all these factions fighting one another are as bad as one another,and the ones who fund and supply the armaments.

only the innocents get hurt

http://www.thewe.cc/thewe_/images_5/____/us_israel_attack_on_gaza__/carries_body_of_girl_gaza_city.jpe

http://www.israel-stop.com/carte-israel-palestine.jpg

What does the name Israel mean?

http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html

http://www.israel-stop.com/en

http://www.thewe.cc/weplanet/circus/2009/circus_may_2_2009.html


PS I supplied the links so that you may understand the situation more clearly

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Keep this in mind and you'll be 'Wiser': ;)

Fuck with the Bull expect to be Gored. ;) ;)

Stooopid don't last, the whole Arab World has been attacking Israel since 1947 and getting their collective asses whupped even though they, the Arabs; have the numerical superiority of resources, equipment, manpower etc........and that was/is before the USA ever helped them.

figger it out...................

Satan/Arabs v YHWH/Jews??

The Jews have offered Peace since 1948, the Arabs are the instigators.

[dollanaqua]

Ahoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bring your snake to me and i will cut of its head and give it back to you on a platter. I promise. ;)

[biblegirl]

In light of the increased quality of new information; I think Mr. Icke should review his position on Jews, Israel, and the Bible and issue a New Policy Paper with an updated position. Chapter2 of the Biggest secret is replete with errors that peeps believe and take to heart.

Make no doubt, Mr. Icke is stained and branded by the likes of Eternal Spirit, with 27,300 Posts of ignorant, lying hatred and his ilk and collegues.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) and have a nice day

So the Biggest Secret addresses this then? I'm assuming these ideas were published before Icke, so who started or exposed the real Jews, fake Jews, Zionist, etc. ideas?

What is the definition of a real Jew?

I have heard that the Rothschilds and their gang are actually "Edomites" but they are known as Jews, do they profess to be real Jews? Or have people traced their history and discovered they were Jews?

If a person is considered Anti-Semitic, are they racist against real Jews or fake Jews, and for what reason? When Mel Gibson was Hollywood blacklisted for his supposedly antisemitic rant, who was he talking about? The Rothschilds and Jewish Banking families? Or innocent everyday Jews who are going about their business? I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan. Therefore, Jews are bad. Does this factor into all the real-Jew-fake-Jew-anti-semitic-whatever views expressed on this board? Or is that something else entirely? Ever heard of "Spritual Israel"? The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land. If I'm the only person in the world who is confused by all this then my apologies, it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but your answers are helping to lay the groundwork at least. I hear that Jews are persecuted and despised on one hand, and on the other hand everyone is joining the "I want to be a Jew" club (where I'm from, anyway). Can you just become a Jew? Thank you to anyone who has had the patience to get this far.

See I have lots of questions :o.

[eternal_spirit]

Since 1000 CE the Jews have been Hectored by the Euro-Trash, driven out of their countries so the Euro Trash could steal their wealth and property which they coveted, so now the Jews are in their homeland and able to kick Euro-Trash ass and the Euro-Trash are upset.

Go figger........... :rolleyes:

The Ignorant Bigots/Haters/Liars have really turned this Board into Stormfront Lite.

In light of the increased quality of new information; I think Mr. Icke should review his position on Jews, Israel, and the Bible and issue a New Policy Paper with an updated position. Chapter2 of the Biggest secret is replete with errors that peeps believe and take to heart.

Make no doubt, Mr. Icke is stained and branded by the likes of Eternal Spirit, with 27,300 Posts of ignorant, lying hatred and his ilk and collegues.



Still shilling for your supremacist inbred cult baby genital muitlators & slandering me with lies & the usual Stormfront worn out false labels.

I've posted on many topics whereas you Snoops cover two topics hating and being racist towards Germans/Celts & posting copy & pastes spamming crappola about Judaism.

You are the top hater of German Euro Celtic people on this forum.

Ps bible girl check out the horrible things Jews say about none Jews in the Talmud. They still teach this sickness to their children. This is real Judaism Orthodoxy.

Notice everyone I tried to have a reasonable debate with my other post replying to Snoops - time after time but as always Snoops launches into attack.

Talmud (hate),the Kol Nidre. (look it up) Communism, Usury (Jewish banking cabals) charging as much usury (interest to none Jews whilst no interest to fellow Jews, with that kind of unequal buisness plan it's a sure way to parasitically feed off the host countries - one reason Jews got expelled time and time again from many countries.

Freemasons & exclusively Jewish Lodges. Jewish business monopolies, Inbreeding of master race and general hypocrisy (Many Jews being supremacist and accusing other's of racism) when many only breed or marry racial Jews for thousands of years.

There's the logical reasons.

http://www.666ismoney.com/sitebuilder/images/JewsExpelled-775x509.jpg

YEAR (AD) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLACE
250 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Carthage
415 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alexandria
554 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Clement (France)
561 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Diocese of Uzzes (France)
612 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Spain
642 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visigoth Empire
855 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
876 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sens
1012 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1182 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1276 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Upper Bavaria
1290 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - England
1306 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1322 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France (again)
1348 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Switzerland
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Saxony
1349 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1360 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Hungary
1370 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Belgium
1380 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Slovakia
1388 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Germany
1394 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1420 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lyons
1421 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Fribourg
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Zurich
1424 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Cologne
1432 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Savoy
1438 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1439 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Augsburg
1442 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1444 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlands
1446 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - France
1453 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Breslau
1454 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1462 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1483 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mainz
1484 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Warsaw
1485 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Vincenza (Italy)
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Spain
1492 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Italy
1495 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Lithuania
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1496 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Portugal
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nuremberg
1498 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Navarre
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenberg
1510 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prussia
1514 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Strasbourg
1515 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1519 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Regensburg
1533 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1541 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Naples
1542 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague & Bohemia
1550 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Genoa
1551 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bavaria
1555 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pesaro
1557 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1559 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Austria
1561 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Prague
1567 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Wurzburg
1569 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Papal States
1571 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brandenburg
1582 -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Netherlan


Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq and Libya expelled over 500,000 Jews in 1948.
Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon expelled another 300,000 Jews in 1967.
Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria did the rest in 1967- 1979.


On Oct. 16, 1948, 50,000 Jewish communists turned out in Moscow's Red Square to welcome the first Israeli delegation to Moscow. Stalin supported Zionism's 1947 Palestine partition plan, gave crucial recognition to the newly-created state of Israel and voted for Israel's admission to the United Nations.
In 1951 communist and Marxist parties had twenty-three seats in the Israeli Knesset.

The kibbutz system was the most powerful movement in the country and the most powerful kibbutz leaders were nearly all Marxists. The biggest Israeli holiday was May Day, celebrated with rallies, marches, red banners and red songs.

As recently as 1987 the Israelis were providing the KGB with American intelligence secrets (cf. UPI dispatch by Richard Sale, Dec. 13, 1987 and The City Paper [Washington, DC], Jan. 15, 1988). Jonathan Jay Pollard was part of one such spy ring.

British traitor and Communist spy Kim Philby was assisted in obtaining safe haven in the Soviet Union by the Israeli Mossad (cf. Sunday Telegraph [England], April 16, 1989). This was most appropriate since Philby's KGB handler in Moscow was also Jewish.

Romania's communist regime received favorable trade deals from the U.S. for years due to Israeli pressure on Congress in its behalf (N.Y. Times, Jan. 18, 1992, p. 23). The notion that the Zionist Jewish movement was anti-communist is a fallacy.

The truth is more complex. There was a left wing and a right wing within Zionism. The rightists, like the terrorists Jabotinsky and Stern, took a fascist approach. Leftist Zionists like David "I am a Bolshevik" Ben-Gurion admired the Soviet model of Jewish power and sought to incorporate it as the political economy of the Israeli state.

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism...under USSR law active anti-Semites are liable to the death penalty." (Stalin, Collected Works, vol. 13, p. 30).



Isaac Babel

In his story, "The Rabbi's Son," Babel places the portraits of Lenin and Rabbi Moses Maimonides side by side. He notes that the margins of Communist leaflets are crowded with "Hebrew verse."

Nahum Goldmann: founder, World Jewish Congress, communist propagandist. Rabbi Moses Rosen: agent, Romanian communist party. Victor Rothschild: top British espionage agent for Stalin.

Rabbi Hyman Katz joined in order to fight Spanish Christians. (cf. Jeffrey Sharlet, "Troublemakers," Pakn Treger, Fall, 1997, pp. 16, 18 and 24).
The Communists slaughtered 6,549 Spanish priests, 283 helpless nuns and 13 bishops. "In Ciudad Real in the center of Spain, the bishop and every single priest of the diocese were murdered; not one escaped." --Dr. Warren H. Carroll, 70 Years of the Communist Revolution, pp. 184-185, 188-189. (Also cf. Justo Perez de Urbel, Catholic Martyrs of the Spanish Civil War [Kansas City, Missouri: The Angelus Press, 1993).


Stalin's propaganda agent in Spain was New Yorker Leon Rosenthal.


http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Aloha Biblegirl, I am on my way out but must clarify what I meant in reference to Chapter 2; that is Mr. Ickes information about Biblical matters, not so much jews or Zionism, the problem is: Much of the info 'back then' wasn't very accurate and is misleading.

I have been tempted to rewrite myself with the current up to date Data, time prevents this.

Many peeps have based their opinions on this Chapter.

The mideast web site is very honest and unbiased and will answer your other queries, time prevents me from answering you now.

Suffice it to say the ignorant Bigots of this Board piss me off, because real people get hurt.

Aloha

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You are the top hater of German Euro Celtic people on this forum.



As always 1,000% Bullshit, provide one Post supporting your BS.


If anything, you are consistent.

Biblegirl, read his revisionist Bullshit, then seek the Truth.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.

Eternal Spirit desires to exterminate all the Jews and will tell every lie to do it, just like hitler.

[biblegirl]

Aloha Biblegirl, I am on my way out but must clarify what I meant in reference to Chapter 2; that is Mr. Ickes information about Biblical matters, not so much jews or Zionism, the problem is: Much of the info 'back then' wasn't very accurate and is misleading.


okay, gotcha ;)

[ladybird]

The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land.


Greek Melkite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros said: “The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation…We Christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people—all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.”

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141360

[ladybird]

As always 1,000% Bullshit, provide one Post supporting your BS.
If anything, you are consistent.
Biblegirl, read his revisionist Bullshit, then seek the Truth.
http://talmud.faithweb.com/
Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud
Eternal Spirit desires to exterminate all the Jews and will tell every lie to do it, just like hitler.


How loving, tolerant, true and forgiving can this religion of yours be,
considering your behaviour all over this forum?


.

[eternal_spirit]

As always 1,000% Bullshit, provide one Post supporting your BS.


If anything, you are consistent.

Biblegirl, read his revisionist Bullshit, then seek the Truth.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud



Eternal Spirit desires to exterminate all the Jews and will tell every lie to do it, just like hitler.


More lies and bullshit from Snoops
Same old Talmud apologist site lies
from Jewish supremacist nutjobs like snoops. It's a pathetic attempt to try sanitise the horrible filth written in the Talmud about us gentiles anyone with a brain can see the texts. Look it up and see who the liar is (Snoops)

I'm not going round in circles again with Mr Kosher cock lover 4 years of his abuse is long enough, I do debate other topics (I'm off to do that) but Snoops has two topics only shilling for Judaism and demonsing Germans.


You've followed me round for years like a bad smell from Yahweh's anus & becasue I'm honest about my Irish German anscestry you use that and come out with crappola about Celts.

You know German and other children are taught about the holocaust in school. For the purpose of equality I think they and Jewish children should be taught about Jewish/Judaic Communists.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupied...ents-USSR.html (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html)

I recommend you read the truth here the biggest mass murders of the past century Communists they slaughtered around 60,000 thousand Germans before world war 2 before any Jews were killed.

Communism the same political ideology which gave birth to Mao, Pol Pot etc - that starved it's own people killed 100's of millions. Displaced 100's of millions.

Nazism was a response to Communism, Talmudism, Banking cabals - all Jewish creations run and controlled by Jews - which where running amok in Europe - killing milllions and destroying economies and cultures.

In 1943 Germany was at war against the Soviet Union. Twenty-five years earlier, at the end of the First World War, when communist revolutionaries were attempting to take over Germany, Adolf Hitler had sworn to devote his life to fighting communism. He was only a corporal at the time, recuperating from his war wounds in a military hospital, but 15 years later, in 1933, he became chancellor of Germany, and in 1941 his army invaded the Soviet Union with the aim of destroying Soviet communism.

Ayhoo there's plenty to think about there and mnay threads on these issues

[biblegirl]

Well you could begin with the oppression and displacement of the Palestinian people from their lands. That and the fact that although the Jewish people claim Israel to be their traditional homeland, 90% of them are of Eastern European decent and have no blood ties to the original Israelites.

Thank you for that. Do you know where those 90% come from and why they would go along with it? Where are the people blood related to original Israelites?

I understand that the nation of Israel has pushed palestinians out of their homeland. The fact remains such conquest has been carried out countless times all over the world -

America is founded on the murdering of millions of Native Americans. Nobody sits around crying about how evil America is for that fact. It was the American government that promoted genocide of Natives when peaceful cohabitation was possible.



Thank you, yeah i thought this all sounded pretty familiar.

The issue is that there is so much "Dirty Jew this, sneaky Jew that" attitude amongst people. That is racism. It's not a political stance.
...
I don't see the point in hating people for living in evil nations... we are all guilty of that.

Well that's just it, with the Jews, what is it that people have a problem with? The nationality/genetics, or the religion? Or both?

Nothing wrong with Jews. Zionist imposters, however...YHWH has not yet sent Y'Shua to create Israel, but Zionist politicians and religious leaders took it upon themselves to do so, slaughtering many who already dwell there. That's not by divine appointment. There are many Jews, including devout Rabbis that are anti-Zionism.

Real Jews rock. :)

Thanks AA. :)



The huge vast majority of people in 'Palestine' whose name has been changed 'by' usurpers and tyrants to 'Israel' are not 'real' Jews. Most people, including myself, have no issue at all with 'real' Jews. 'Real' Jews do not usure, steal from or terrorise each other or anyone else. 'Real' Jews would not elect terrorists to lead them nor would they allow terrorists to lead them.


So you're saying what we know as Israel is really Palestine, and the ones we know as Jews don't belong there. That's simple enough. I think I'm mostly perplexed as to why peoples so far away from the middle east (like USA and UK), would be consumed with a subject that doesn't seem all that relevant??? I don't know where you are located, but how does this affect you? What makes oppression of Jews or Palestinians more special than the Irish or Polish or Africans or Mexicans? Why the focus on this board about it? I never get into the Jew or Holocaust threads, but the subject pops up everywhere from chemtrails threads to health nutrition threads. I just want to know what causes people to post this stuff, what they are basing it on.

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The truth does not come from others, it comes from within 1 self.

But you must work for it.

There are uncountable threads on this forum dealing with this topic because many people realise
that everythings goes down to the holocaust/shoa.
Make the effort to read at least one of those threads completely.

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i can't think of a worst way to spend a day :D

i don't understand why people who are so passionate about a subject could be so sparing with information to someone who genuinely asks about it though :confused:

If you ask me all these factions fighting one another are as bad as one another,and the ones who fund and supply the armaments.

PS I supplied the links so that you may understand the situation more clearly

thank you lightgiver :) i agree with your first sentence based on what i've seen so far

Still shilling for your supremacist inbred cult baby genital muitlators & slandering me with lies & the usual Stormfront worn out false labels.

I've posted on many topics whereas you Snoops cover two topics hating and being racist towards Germans/Celts & posting copy & pastes spamming crappola about Judaism.

You are the top hater of German Euro Celtic people on this forum.

Ps bible girl check out the horrible things Jews say about none Jews in the Talmud. They still teach this sickness to their children. This is real Judaism Orthodoxy.

Notice everyone I tried to have a reasonable debate with my other post replying to Snoops - time after time but as always Snoops launches into attack.

Talmud (hate),the Kol Nidre. (look it up) Communism, Usury (Jewish banking cabals) charging as much usury (interest to none Jews whilst no interest to fellow Jews, with that kind of unequal buisness plan it's a sure way to parasitically feed off the host countries - one reason Jews got expelled time and time again from many countries.

Freemasons & exclusively Jewish Lodges. Jewish business monopolies, Inbreeding of master race and general hypocrisy (Many Jews being supremacist and accusing other's of racism) when many only breed or marry racial Jews for thousands of years.

There's the logical reasons.


:confused:

I appreciate the effort Eternal Spirit, but I can hardly find a complete thought in this whole post. Can you maybe break it down for a beginner? Are you saying that Jews (people who practice orthodox Judaism I'm assuming...) are bad because of what their religion does?



and now me thinking out loud:

So many tangents going on here in relation to Jews. I'm wondering if a lot of this problem is lost in translation. Like using "Arab" and "Muslim" synonymously, when one is a nationality and one is a religion, with the added bonus of a terrorist reputation attached to each. Hopefully most of this business about Jews stems from misunderstanding, and people on this board haven't really pitted themselves against an entire race for no good reason. If there are a few bad Jews (like the Elite, "fake ones", etc), then IMO we should address them specifically.

[eternal_spirit]

A previous post of mine read it Snoops. Then tell me about you and your family? or are you not honest enough?


Both my grand fathers fought for the English against Germany, one Irish one English. One great grand father was German. So one of his his son's would have been fighting against his German family. He helped save Jews ass and helped destroy his father's Germany.

My father was in an Irish/English regiment who was sent to Germany (Berlin wall etc) and Belfast, his father was from Belfast. His grandfather from Germany. National service was the norm back then,
jail or being shunned by the community was the consequences of refusing service.
So yes I come from a long line of Nazis (sarcasm).:rolleyes:

We got told a very one sided biased view of the war and history leading up to it, nothings changed with the media and schools. (two purposes to blame Germany for everything and to try silence anyone who speaks out about Today's genocide on the white race via mass immigration and out breeding by other races in the UK and Europe including Germany) you are labelled a Nazi or racist for knowing the truth and telling it.

Theory?
It could be a Jewish Zionist plot against whitey.

Luckily we have the internet and certain omitted historical facts are now available for us plus the other side of the story (Germans/other Europeans) and the opening of once closed Communist files.

My Indian relatives their father fought for the English, after the war he returned to India for some years but had to do a runner cos the Muslims where killing his neighbours.

Some of my Irish family Catholics and their anscetors (survivors of the 5 million starved to death on purpose) We have martyrs (dead catholics) in the family those that died fighting the Loyalists (protestants & English loyal to the foreign imposter king William of orange of the Orange Order Lodge).

My dad's dad a Catholic escaped from Ireland married a Protestant from Wales (whose father was German). My grand dad said you are your own God, you want something you have to go an provide it for yourself and family same as my dad said to me...

I am an apostate and not religious same as my Father. With family history like that why would we be religious? It's given us nothing but trouble...

Sorry for the long ramble but there you go...I could have said more but no need..

[eternal_spirit]

I appreciate the effort Eternal Spirit, but I can hardly find a complete thought in this whole post. Can you maybe break it down for a beginner? Are you saying that Jews (people who practice orthodox Judaism I'm assuming...) are bad because of what their religion does?



Talmud is orthodox jewery (real Jews).

I'm sorry I've had enough of this topic. I'm sure others will answer your questions. But I may get back another time.

[montag]

Thank you for that. Do you know where those 90% come from and why they would go along with it? Where are the people blood related to original Israelites?
There's a book called The thirteenth tribe, it's all in there a fascinating read about the Kazharian Empire. I suggest you start there if you want to find out the truth, it's very well researched and you can download the pdf free here (http://www.fantompowa.info/koestlerindex.htm)..

[ladybird]

i can't think of a worst way to spend a day :D

i don't understand why people who are so passionate about a subject could be so sparing with information to someone who genuinely asks about it though :confused:



I just don't have the time to explain.
Please take the trouble and read my comments.

The 1st link in my signature for example is of utmost importance from my pov for the current global situation
FOR EVERYBODY in Europe and the USA
and it is extremely important to KNOW and UNDERSTAND the past to be able to understand the present
and to be able to ACT in future
instead of RE-ACT.

"He who controls the present,
controls the past.
He who controls the past,
controls the future."

-- George Orwell


And I wish all people would be able to free themselves from being controlled by those who know
and kept the knowledge secret for such a long time!

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[metacomet]

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

I see nothing wrong with that. Them having 1% of the landmass that is. The issue is that they are accused of taking the best 1% :rolleyes:

I live on a Reservation for Natives which was founded in area with the most amazing views and natural resources. Some could definitely claim we took the best 1% And you know what? F them. It's still only 1%.


The Ignorant Bigots/Haters/Liars have really turned this Board into Stormfront Lite.

That's more or less the impression I get sometimes. We have alot of people here who are obviously spending alot of their time on this 'subject'. And they bring that fanaticism here.


Make no doubt, Mr. Icke is stained and branded by the likes of Eternal Spirit, with 27,300 Posts of ignorant, lying hatred and his ilk and collegues.

I agree.

Icke put up with an incredible amount of BS all on false accusations that his books were antisemitic...

Considering that fact it seems wrong for us to have so many "Dirty Jew this, Rotten Jews that" posters frequenting the board. They even get encouragement from other posters / mods...

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Talmud is orthodox jewery (real Jews).

I'm sorry I've had enough of this topic. I'm sure others will answer your questions. But I may get back another time.

This is Prima Facie Proof that after 28,300 Posts, use of the Internet and Libraries, Corrective Posts by me, and it is yet the year 2010 CE, you are an ignoramus Bigot.

The Written Torah is the Holiest Book in Judaism, next is the Oral Torah and THEN the components of the Talmud. To say the Talmud is Judaisms holiest Book is a blatent lie and officially considered AntiSemitic.

http://www.mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm

http://www.zionism-israel.com/his/judeophobia.htm

TABLE OF CONTENTS

Main Page: Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism') - A History and Analysis of Jew Hate

Judeophobia ('anti-Semitism',Jew Hate) in the Pagan Ancient World

Judeophobia (Anti-Semitism, Jew Hate) in the Early Christian Church

Medieval Persecution of Jews I - Proselytization, Conversions and Ghettos

Medieval Persecution of Jews: II- Crusades, Expulsions, Inquisitions and Massacres

Medieval Persecution of Jews: III- Blood Libels and other Myths

Persecution of the Jews Under Islam

Judeophobia ('anti-Semitism') in the Reformation

Judeophobia in the Enlightenment and 19th Century France

Germany: Racism and Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism')

Conspiratorial Theories and Russian Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism')

Marxism and Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism')

Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism') in The United States

Contemporary Anti-Zionism

Holocaust Denial

Theories of the Etiology of Judeophobia ('Anti-Semitism')

The Real talmud, not the lies you Bigots claim are in it.

To answer your other query: I never, ever lie even when it is to my advantage.

I have taken some serious shots for F'n Up and admitting it. :D

I am pure Nordic Gentile-American, Second Generation on Fathers side, I Post on a wide array of Subjects, belief wise I am a Yahwist-Nazarene, former RC.


I am not AntiCeltic or German or any Race, Ethnicity.

I am Anti Nazi, Bigot, White Trash, Ignorance, Liars. :mad:

I am a Pluralist; yet not a Syncretist.

I see wisdom in the Indigenous Native Lore, The Tao Tse Ching, Toltec Shamanism.

The reason the Jews were expelled from Europe is: They would not be Baptized into Christianity.

The Bigots would have you believe that less then 2% of the Population, the Jews, was Jedi Mind Tricking the remaining innocent :rolleyes: 98% of the population into being their slaves and taking all their wealth and women.

It's an old story Biblegirl, test their Data, the Bigots, and you will see it doen't hold up to the Scientific and Historical Facts.


Biblegirl, I am going to C & P something from my thread which is what the Jews actually believe and Teach, so by default it is also the Xn Position because it is what Yahshua haMessiah/Jesus Christ taught.

One of the Bigots greatest sins is attempting to DeJudify Jesus which was a major project of the NAZIs. The Bigots are very conflicted.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059337147&postcount=728

Susannah Heschel: The Aryan Jesus
http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf

Talk about Cognitive Dissonance.

Here is the Core Biblical Belief, Judaic and Xn, begins in Genesis 1:3:


Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

Quote:
1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
Quote:

Quote:
As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian parlance Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, idolatry Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of Yahweh play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh/God


Now, the question is: Why are so many peeps so ardent about obliterating, confusing this Teaching? :confused:

What do they have that even remotely approaches it in its detailed egalitarian, lovingkindness? :confused:


Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?
The New Atheists and Old Testament Ethics

http://www.epsociety.org/printer_template.asp?pid=45

So do you see Biblegirl, no Supremicism, no exploitation.

The Bigots are liars.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I see nothing wrong with that. Them having 1% of the landmass that is. The issue is that they are accused of taking the best 1% :rolleyes:

I live on a Reservation for Natives which was founded in area with the most amazing views and natural resources. Some could definitely claim we took the best 1% And you know what? F them. It's still only 1%.



That's more or less the impression I get sometimes. We have alot of people here who are obviously spending alot of their time on this 'subject'. And they bring that fanaticism here.



I agree.

Icke put up with an incredible amount of BS all on false accusations that his books were antisemitic...

Considering that fact it seems wrong for us to have so many "Dirty Jew this, Rotten Jews that" posters frequenting the board. They even get encouragement from other posters / mods...


Ahoy Metacomet!!! Thanx Babe, gets kinda lonely and cold out here. :)

Considering the Arabs got the Oil, Natural Gas and I hear a whole lotta Gold in their Hills, they got nothing to bitch about except their leaders did not share it with them.

As far as I'm concerned we can't do enough for the Native Americans.

I have read Howard Zinns Book, the Peoples History of the United States and I am well aware of the Brutality and exploitation, and like you, probably, I am no fan of Andrew Jackson. Fuck'm


The Mideastweb Site dispels much of the bullshit propaganda.

[vegan_on_the_land]

Whether or not Jews belong in Israel is now beyond debate. They are there and generations of them have been born there. Yes, the regime abuses the Arabs and that can't be condoned. But I do understand much of the reasons behind it: they are surrounded by hostile countries which have attacked them many times, and they have been hated and killed for centuries.

If the Jews must leave Israel, all non-Indians must leave the Americas. Non-indians invaded the Americas and slaughtered and enslaved the people already living there. The Indians who weren't killed off were put into concentration camps that were called Reservations.

I don't know why there are so many Jew haters, nor what the hate is for.

122 words. Sorry.

[biblegirl]

Whether or not Jews belong in Israel is now beyond debate. They are there and generations of them have been born there. Yes, the regime abuses the Arabs and that can't be condoned. But I do understand much of the reasons behind it: they are surrounded by hostile countries which have attacked them many times, and they have been hated and killed for centuries.

If the Jews must leave Israel, all non-Indians must leave the Americas. Non-indians invaded the Americas and slaughtered and enslaved the people already living there. The Indians who weren't killed off were put into concentration camps that were called Reservations.

I don't know why there are so many Jew haters, nor what the hate is for.

122 words. Sorry.

Good post, thanks!

[eternal_spirit]

That's more or less the impression I get sometimes. We have alot of people here who are obviously spending alot of their time on this 'subject'. And they bring that fanaticism here.



I agree.

Icke put up with an incredible amount of BS all on false accusations that his books were antisemitic...

Considering that fact it seems wrong for us to have so many "Dirty Jew this, Rotten Jews that" posters frequenting the board. They even get encouragement from other posters / mods...
Yet it's okay to demonise Germans or whoever endlessly, but not Jews? Double standards and hypocrisy imo.
This is Prima Facie Proof that after 28,300 Posts, use of the Internet and Libraries, Corrective Posts by me, and it is yet the year 2010 CE, you are an ignoramus Bigot.

The Written Torah is the Holiest Book in Judaism, next is the Oral Torah and THEN the components of the Talmud. To say the Talmud is Judaisms holiest Book is a blatent lie and officially considered AntiSemitic.




The Real talmud, not the lies you Bigots claim are in it.

To answer your other query: I never, ever lie even when it is to my advantage.

I have taken some serious shots for F'n Up and admitting it. :D

I am pure Nordic Gentile-American, Second Generation on Fathers side, I Post on a wide array of Subjects, belief wise I am a Yahwist-Nazarene, former RC.


I am not AntiCeltic or German or any Race, Ethnicity.

I am Anti Nazi, Bigot, White Trash, Ignorance, Liars. :mad:

I am a Pluralist; yet not a Syncretist.

I see wisdom in the Indigenous Native Lore, The Tao Tse Ching, Toltec Shamanism.

The reason the Jews were expelled from Europe is: They would not be Baptized into Christianity.

The Bigots would have you believe that less then 2% of the Population, the Jews, was Jedi Mind Tricking the remaining innocent :rolleyes: 98% of the population into being their slaves and taking all their wealth and women.

It's an old story Biblegirl, test their Data, the Bigots, and you will see it doen't hold up to the Scientific and Historical Facts.


Biblegirl, I am going to C & P something from my thread which is what the Jews actually believe and Teach, so by default it is also the Xn Position because it is what Yahshua haMessiah/Jesus Christ taught.

One of the Bigots greatest sins is attempting to DeJudify Jesus which was a major project of the NAZIs. The Bigots are very conflicted.

Talk about Cognitive Dissonance.
You can't have Orthodox Jewery without Babylonian Talmud. Same as Potatos grow with skin - a serious student of Jewish law & the rabbis learn Talmud at Yeshiva schools.
You're a bare faced liar and most on this thread can see right through you.


I've listed the reasons before why they were expelled so many times from many places and it's nothing to do with big hats and noses) Muslims expelled them too.

I have no time for a religion that mutilates baby's genitals as initiation & calls gentiles human cattle & all manner of derogatry terms.

A bunch of banking cabals (usury) & Communism

There's been plenty of links to the real Talmud on various threads so your lies won't work here we've seen them many times before. Pro Israel Pro Zionist anti-gentile, shill biggoted authors of Jewish supremacy.

How many more Palestian homes will be bulldozed, kicked off their land - how many more children murdered? The Israelites never changed their habits.

Yet you call any other sytem apart from your chosen few heathen pagans LOL talk about cognitive dissonance..


:D

EDIT PS usual links you posted to the edited version of the talmud..



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Does lool like the orange writing on that Talmud says Satan.

De Ja Vu. :cool:

[eternal_spirit]

Originally Posted by snoopsnuffleopagus http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1059474949#post1059474949)I am pure Nordic Gentile-American, Second Generation on Fathers side

Such detail :rolleyes:lol. I'd have you down for an Israeli supremacist Talmud mongering Jew.

laters tata...:D

[stelios]

Originally, I was taught to believe that Jews were God's chosen people more or less, and that we weren't allowed to think ill of them etc etc., and that it was a Christian victory when Jews became a nation again in 1940....or something like that.

So is the problem not the "Jews" per se, so much as it is the Jew wannabes who are wanting to be called Jews and to live on the land which is supposed to be Jews only??

Hello biblegirl,
I think it is good of you to raise this topic and clear up the issue.
Firstly as you correctly say many of us are brainwashed from a young age into believing that Jews are the master race and God's chosen people.
This clearly is a blatant lie.
But many Jews themselves also believe that they are the master race and the rest of us are merely cattle and dogs for them to play with and control and milk.
So one of the problems stems from Jews in general having a supremacist ideology.
Ofcourse there are many that are not bad and dont share this view but clearly we are talking about the ones that do.

Then there is an issue about Zionism and Israel.
Actually Zionism has NOTHING to do with Judaism.
Zionism is simply APARTHEID by another name.
Israel has no right to exist, firstly it is forbidden by the Jewish religion and secondly the people who emigrate to live in Israel have no roots or links to that area.
Most of the Zionists come from Britain, America, Poland, Russia but trace their roots back to a land known as Khazaria.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/images/khazaria.gif


I appreciate that you guys have been so accommodating on this. You can call me a sheltered American or whatever you want, I just would like to figure this business out so I can say something intelligent about it someday :D.

Hey the main thing is that you have woken up and are starting to ask questions.
That is very good and i wish more people would open their eyes to the world around us.

Most of our MPs are Zionist Jews, Most of our media is owned by Zionist Jews, most of our banks and businesses especially the entertainment industry is owned by Zionist Jews.
So is it any wonder that the myth about them being the master race and God's chosen people is allowed to persist.

[metacomet]

Yet it's okay to demonise Germans or whoever endlessly, but not Jews? Double standards and hypocrisy imo.


It's not okay to demonise anyone.

An idea you would do well to contemplate.

[eternal_spirit]

It's not okay to demonise anyone.

An idea you would do well to contemplate.
I am trying to cut down seriously.

Half the threads in this place are one group pointing a finger & the other group pointing the finger back, vice versa & on & on it goes round in circles..

Only way to avoid this is to go debate other topics that don't involve these shenanigans.

[bendoon]

Are these organisations a central part of the World Government agenda ?

What do the heads of these organisations have in common ?

Is it just a coincidence ?

World Bank
Federal Reserve
IMF
PNAC

[eternal_spirit]

I think you should get the grasp of this this especially the highlighted parts & the link


According to the definition of Jewishness contained in the halakhic (the collective body of Jewish religious law, including biblical law and later talmudic and rabbinic law, as well as customs and traditions), a person is Jewish if his or her mother is Jewish, or if he or she converts to Judaism.
Orthodox Jews do not, however, recognise conversions performed by Reform or Conservative Judaism.


Israel is formally a theocratic state, and Jewish religious law does not recognise a marriage between a Gentile and a Jew in that country. A Jew who wishes to marry a Gentile must do so in another country, and then apply for entrance into Israel with his or her non-Jewish spouse.
Just how far this law goes was demonstrated in a 2005 court case, widely reported in the Israeli media (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/not-jewish-enough-to-marry-a-cohen-1.150715), in which it was revealed that even a person born of a Jewish mother and a Gentile father was not Jewish enough to marry a member of the Cohen family.


According to Jewish tradition, people with the surname Cohen are descendants of the priests that served in the Temple in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. Only people of “full” (that is, those who have no trace of Gentile ancestry) Jewish ancestry are allowed to marry Cohens in Israel.


As a matter of interest, the only other state ever to have also formally forbidden marriages between Jews and non-Jews was Nazi Germany.
For its part, Israeli Nationality Law defines the terms through which a person can be granted citizenship of the state of Israel and follows the legal principle of jus sanguinis as the primary mechanism through which one may obtain citizenships.
Jus sanguinis (Latin: right of blood) is a social policy by which nationality and/or citizenship is not determined by place of birth, but by a ancestry-related (i.e. blood) link to the natives of a nation. It contrasts with jus soli (Latin for "right of soil"), which is the civic nationalist interpretation of the granting of citizenship.

It is true that about 20 percent of inhabitants of Israel are non-Jewish Palestinians, and that their natural birth rate means that given current projections, Israel is likely to lose its Jewish majority within a few decades.
To combat this threat to the Jewish nature of the Israeli state, that country’s government has taken a number of steps to try and reduce the number of Palestinians either residing within Israel’s borders or to prevent them acquiring Israeli citizenship at all.
For example, the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law (Temporary Order) 5763 is an Israeli law first passed on 31 July, 2003 and most recently extended in June 2008.
That law makes inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza Strip ineligible for the automatic granting of Israeli citizenship and residency permits which would otherwise be available through marriage to an Israeli citizen.
In other words, even if a non-Jewish inhabitant of the West Bank or the Gaza Strip married an Israeli national, that non-Jewish spouse would still not qualify for Israeli residence or citizenship.
On 10 October this year, the Israeli cabinet voted in favour of an amendment to the country's Law of Citizenship which will require non-Jews seeking to become citizens to swear allegiance to Israel as a "Jewish and democratic" state.
That amendment was clearly aimed at discouraging the growing Palestinian element of Israel’s population from taking up Israeli citizenship by introducing an oath of allegiance to a state which the government knows is anathema to most Palestinians.
It is clear, therefore, that Israeli immigration and nationality policy is based on an ethno-nationalist model, designed primarily to preserve the Jewish-by-ancestry nature of that state.

First explanation I heard was from Alan Watt. Saying Cohen meant priest in Hebrew, they were also the ancient bankers hence the phrase coin came from Cohen, phonetically both words are very similar sounding.
To coin/Cohen a phrase.
Possibly related toi the name Khan.

They may have been among the first to use coins as currency.

Of course they believe they are descendants of Cain. In the religious story Cain out smarted his brother Abel by deceptive means (which is relevant to cheating - usury).

[boots]

In 100 words or less. I've been on this forum 2 years and I still can't comprehend what people are on about in regard to this subject. There's so much accusation and forum infighting with raging emotions, I haven't been able to decipher the actual problem. Why are tensions so high on this subject? Does Icke talk about this in his books? Can someone please tell me in 100 words or less, what is the complaint against Jews in general or Israel in general. PLEASE NO LINKS OR CUT AND PASTES. I am interested in your own words only, what exactly is the conspiracy and how does it involve them. I would really appreciate it as I have been curious and confused for quite some time. Thank you!

The trouble begins when people cant differentiate between Jews, Zionist and Israel.

I dont know if this is a deliberate attempt by some people to not see the differences in these terms or they have an agenda OR as in the case with the holocaust it's a German guilt trip.

Many moons ago the only educated people were the Judahains and the catholic church. The royal bloodlines used the Church and the 'Jews'. The 'Jews' because they were educated and the Church to put the fear of god into people. for that reason the "jews' were always persecuted....oh by the way the 'Jews' lived in ghettos and were slaughtered every now and then just to keep them in line, can't have these people getting to cleaver and taking over.

Man always needs someone or something to blame so the 'Jews' are it.

Icke talks about the Babylonian Brotherhood as the force that overseas our world, I think people equate that with the Babylonian Talmud. Well thats wrong.

Two different things.

Any religious doctrine can be interpreted as fanatical or compassionate depending on the mindset of the person interpreting it.

Israel is a political system just like any other political system.....fucked. political ideologies have no heart, how can they run a community when they are like that?

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[ozpixie]

The hating just has to stop. IMO the best way is to not respond to provocation, whether its in here or in the local pub or over the tea table. The idea of right and better especially where politics and religion are concerned has to stop.

Animal creatures will fight over a carcass, fight for a mate or to protect their nesting place but you never see armies of birds flying at each other with sticks in their beaks hoping to poke the other side out of the air, or hundreds of ants lined up in rows hurling grains of sand at opponents in the hope of taking over their anthill.

[biblegirl]

The trouble begins when people cant differentiate between Jews, Zionist and Israel.

I dont know if this is a deliberate attempt by some people to not see the differences in these terms or they have an agenda OR as in the case with the holocaust it's a German guilt trip.

Many moons ago the only educated people were the Judahains and the catholic church. The royal bloodlines used the Church and the 'Jews'. The 'Jews' because they were educated and the Church to put the fear of god into people. for that reason the "jews' were always persecuted....oh by the way the 'Jews' lived in ghettos and were slaughtered every now and then just to keep them in line, can't have these people getting to cleaver and taking over.

Man always needs someone or something to blame so the 'Jews' are it.

Icke talks about the Babylonian Brotherhood as the force that overseas our world, I think people equate that with the Babylonian Talmud. Well thats wrong.

Two different things.

Any religious doctrine can be interpreted as fanatical or compassionate depending on the mindset of the person interpreting it.

Israel is a political system just like any other political system.....fucked. political ideologies have no heart, how can they run a community when they are like that?

.

Great refreshing post, thank you. I agree! Maybe that distinction IS blurred on purpose.

[metacomet]

The trouble begins when people cant differentiate between Jews, Zionist and Israel.

I dont know if this is a deliberate attempt by some people to not see the differences in these terms or they have an agenda OR as in the case with the holocaust it's a German guilt trip.

Many moons ago the only educated people were the Judahains and the catholic church. The royal bloodlines used the Church and the 'Jews'. The 'Jews' because they were educated and the Church to put the fear of god into people. for that reason the "jews' were always persecuted....oh by the way the 'Jews' lived in ghettos and were slaughtered every now and then just to keep them in line, can't have these people getting to cleaver and taking over.

Man always needs someone or something to blame so the 'Jews' are it.

Icke talks about the Babylonian Brotherhood as the force that overseas our world, I think people equate that with the Babylonian Talmud. Well thats wrong.

Two different things.

Any religious doctrine can be interpreted as fanatical or compassionate depending on the mindset of the person interpreting it.

Israel is a political system just like any other political system.....fucked. political ideologies have no heart, how can they run a community when they are like that?

.

Excellent post. Agree on all fronts.

[boots]

Great refreshing post, thank you. I agree! Maybe that distinction IS blurred on purpose.


I think it is done unwittingly by some.

Other's do it on purpose because they have become a 'side' so they must have another 'side' to battle against. Thats their job.:rolleyes:

In Australia we have a saying "The tall poppy syndrome" Anyone who gets ahead or comes out on top is cut down by people, insulted and ridiculed.

That mentality is a human condition.

Israel/jews have become that target and it's pushed by TPTB it's great for them, as it takes the focus of the agenda which is pushed through every day.

Armageddon anyone?

Thats part of the religious plan of the illuminati.

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[ladybird]

Excellent post. Agree on all fronts.

Wartime diction?

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[malkor]

israel gets the rap because it's the latest and most publicized european colonization of land that already had tenants living there for dozens of centuries.

we have the typical symptoms of colonies: the colonists enjoy more rights, more luxuries and a general higher standard of living while the natives become foreigners in the lands of their fathers.

[ladybird]

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Dear members of the JIDF, ADL/JWC or whatever you belong to!
Dear Jews, Zionists, Judaists, Talmudists, Israelians or whatever you are!


The problem with you is, that you NEVER EVER expose youself for what you really are
but you yourself hide your true identity all the time.

I am German as you can see from my signature.
I do not belong to a religious or political group. I believe in God.
I was heavily guilt brainwashed from kindergarten on and woke up because of all the lies and deceit.
I did my homework on the true history of mankind and am still working on it as you can see from my
comments on this forum.
I was finally able to drop the chains of mind control and started to love my country and my people
instead of hating them. Before that I loved all other people on this planet - Jews most - but not my own.
I do not feel guilt any longer for things that I did not do and which cannot be proven scientifically,
because they are the world's biggest TABOO and protected by religious laws which force people to believe.

So, please tell us, who or what are you, Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, IS-RA-ELians .....
when you post on your personal problems which are as old as the stones.

That is the problem the whole world has with you, because you are hiding your true identity
all the time since the very beginning and
you constantly "draw the card out of your sleeve" which is most suitable at the moment.

So please finally tell us the truth, are you maybe a race, or an ethnicity, perhaps you are a
religious group or just a conglomerate of all of that and more?

Most of your ancestors travelled this beautiful planet and you do not have a real homeland to this day.
You never really integrated because you needed to keep your blood pure because of religion and your god,
and as far as we know, this did not change much to this day.

In my country, Germany, you rarely meet Jews etc because they are Catholics, Lutherians, Calvinists,
Huguenots, EVEN MUSLIMS or members of any other religious sect ....
they do not tell you: "I am a Jew, a Zionist, a Talmudist, an Orthodox Jew a Judaist or an Israelian ...
by BLOOD, HEART and/or CONVICTION ....
but I chose to live in Germany and call myself a German because I am so much afraid of the vicious Huns
and because the climate is so nicely moderate!"

They hide again and still - although there are LAWS to protect them, they are Cryptos.

Dear internet defence force, your ancestors also chose to change their names whenever it pleased them.

So you neither have a homecountry nor do you bear your ancestors names!

I can understand that this fact had an impact on your hearts, souls and brains.
You created synthetic roots to feel rooted at all!
Very sad and I really mean it.

All the problems the world has with Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, Israelians or
whatever you chose
to call you at this moment, is that YOU CREATE CONFUSION wherever you tread!

You may start 6 million point 66 threads on DIF about this problem, you only create more CONFUSION!

There is nothing straight or honest about those threads, they only serve to distract and confuse
the NON-JewsZionistsTalmudistsJudaistsIsraelians ... even more.

I am gradually losing hope that you will ever change from within.

Very very sad topic for the whole world - NOT ONLY FOR YOU!

No hard feelings, but the truth can no longer be hidden, you know,
and constantly howling how bad and injust you get treated
and that nobody understands you,
does not help at all, but on the contrary.

"As you sow, so you shall reap" is a law of nature
and nature cannot be cheated.

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[ladybird]

Paranoia cause by Group Hysteria? :P I wouldn't go to war over this issue. I understand many do though, and despite the ferver of some people's opinion about muslims and jews, Israel and Palestine etc. I doubt anyone on the internet is willing to lay their lives on the line for this issue.

Nobody really has anything to gain over it. But they do obsess and argue and carry on forever about the bloodshed and politics of a tiny sliver of land in the Middle East. They imagine if they were to 'fix' the Middle East that the babylonian world cult would somehow let go of the planet, and they are wrong.

In the meantime all frustration slowly bleeds onto the head of 'Jews' and hatred towards Israel becomes "dirty jews are screwing up my world" mentality. It's a dangerous way of thinking.


Is this to be looked upon as your response to my previous comment?

Or to my remark on your diction?

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[metacomet]

Is this to be looked upon as your response to my previous comment?

Or to my remark on your diction?

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:confused: I don't know why I bother. That was a deleted post you quoted, no I was not using wartime diction. It was a joke. But I did mean to make those points.

I wouldn't go to war over this issue. I understand many do though, and despite the ferver of some people's opinion about muslims and jews, Israel and Palestine etc. I doubt anyone on the internet is willing to lay their lives on the line for this issue.

Nobody really has anything to gain over it. But they do obsess and argue and carry on forever about the bloodshed and politics of a tiny sliver of land in the Middle East. They imagine if they were to 'fix' the Middle East that the babylonian world cult would somehow let go of the planet, and they are wrong.

In the meantime all frustration slowly bleeds onto the head of 'Jews' and hatred towards Israel becomes "dirty jews are screwing up my world" mentality. It's a dangerous way of thinking.

[dollanaqua]

Whether or not Jews belong in Israel is now beyond debate. They are there and generations of them have been born there. Yes, the regime abuses the Arabs and that can't be condoned. But I do understand much of the reasons behind it: they are surrounded by hostile countries which have attacked them many times, and they have been hated and killed for centuries.

If the Jews must leave Israel, all non-Indians must leave the Americas. Non-indians invaded the Americas and slaughtered and enslaved the people already living there. The Indians who weren't killed off were put into concentration camps that were called Reservations.

I don't know why there are so many Jew haters, nor what the hate is for.

122 words. Sorry.

Nobody 'hates' genuine Jews who are of a spiritual nature and are easily recognisable.

Personally i hate nobody, however i do have a strong dislike for anything fake.

One word - Usury.

"The Love of money (material) is 'at' the root of all evil."

[lizzy]

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Dear members of the JIDF, ADL/JWC or whatever you belong to!
Dear Jews, Zionists, Judaists, Talmudists, Israelians or whatever you are!


The problem with you is, that you NEVER EVER expose youself for what you really are
but you yourself hide your true identity all the time.

I am German as you can see from my signature.
I do not belong to a religious or political group. I believe in God.
I was heavily guilt brainwashed from kindergarten on and woke up because of all the lies and deceit.
I did my homework on the true history of mankind and am still working on it as you can see from my
comments on this forum.
I was finally able to drop the chains of mind control and started to love my country and my people
instead of hating them. Before that I loved all other people on this planet - Jews most - but not my own.
I do not feel guilt any longer for things that I did not do and which cannot be proven scientifically,
because they are the world's biggest TABOO and protected by religious laws which force people to believe.

So, please tell us, who or what are you, Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, IS-RA-ELians .....
when you post on your personal problems which are as old as the stones.

That is the problem the whole world has with you, because you are hiding your true identity
all the time since the very beginning and
you constantly "draw the card out of your sleeve" which is most suitable at the moment.

So please finally tell us the truth, are you maybe a race, or an ethnicity, perhaps you are a
religious group or just a conglomerate of all of that and more?

Most of your ancestors travelled this beautiful planet and you do not have a real homeland to this day.
You never really integrated because you needed to keep your blood pure because of religion and your god,
and as far as we know, this did not change much to this day.

In my country, Germany, you rarely meet Jews etc because they are Catholics, Lutherians, Calvinists,
Huguenots, EVEN MUSLIMS or members of any other religious sect ....
they do not tell you: "I am a Jew, a Zionist, a Talmudist, an Orthodox Jew a Judaist or an Israelian ...
by BLOOD, HEART and/or CONVICTION ....
but I chose to live in Germany and call myself a German because I am so much afraid of the vicious Huns
and because the climate is so nicely moderate!"

They hide again and still - although there are LAWS to protect them, they are Cryptos.

Dear internet defence force, your ancestors also chose to change their names whenever it pleased them.

So you neither have a homecountry nor do you bear your ancestors names!

I can understand that this fact had an impact on your hearts, souls and brains.
You created synthetic roots to feel rooted at all!
Very sad and I really mean it.

All the problems the world has with Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, Israelians or
whatever you chose
to call you at this moment, is that YOU CREATE CONFUSION wherever you tread!

You may start 6 million point 66 threads on DIF about this problem, you only create more CONFUSION!

There is nothing straight or honest about those threads, they only serve to distract and confuse
the NON-JewsZionistsTalmudistsJudaistsIsraelians ... even more.

I am gradually losing hope that you will ever change from within.

Very very sad topic for the whole world - NOT ONLY FOR YOU!

No hard feelings, but the truth can no longer be hidden, you know,
and constantly howling how bad and injust you get treated
and that nobody understands you,
does not help at all, but on the contrary.

"As you sow, so you shall reap" is a law of nature
and nature cannot be cheated.

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heartfelt post ladybied.
so few 'good' jews oppose the zionisits' here....something is there makeup makes it impossible for them to see or tell the truth. Why is it open borders for everyone else but not for them.......they
own all the control mechanisms and perpetrate them against us.......
I think nature has laready been cheated with GM foods , fluridated water, chenitrails and as humans the conatant mind control of humans.....
If god came down today and told the truth they would nuke him.

Yesterday I listened to these audios most of the day.....it's been around as we all now a longtime.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Eye_on_the_Future.html

[dollanaqua]

There's a book called The thirteenth tribe, it's all in there a fascinating read about the Kazharian Empire. I suggest you start there if you want to find out the truth, it's very well researched and you can download the pdf free here (http://www.fantompowa.info/koestlerindex.htm)..

Good place for biblegirl to begin her 're'search if she really wishes to know search for truth.

[lizzy]

Good place for biblegirl to begin her 're'search if she really wishes to know search for truth.

yes and they killed Keostler for writing it.........and the kharazarian jews are now over 80% , some say 95% of the jewish race.

[dollanaqua]

heartfelt post ladybied.
So few 'good' jews oppose the Zionists here. Something is in there genetic make-up which makes it impossible for them to see or tell the truth. Why is it open borders for everyone else but not for them. They own all the control mechanisms and perpetrate them against us. I think nature has already been cheated with GM foods , fluridated water, chem trails and as humans the constant mind control of humans. If god came down today and told the truth they would nuke him.

Yesterday I listened to these audios most of the day. It's been around as we all know a longtime.
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/radio/Eye_on_the_Future.html

Good post.

However, no need at all to concern yourself about any 'insane or evil' fools attempting to nuke God. Bodies foolish enough to go against the will of God are 'doomed (damned) to destroy themselves'. ;)

[the waco kid]

The year is 2010 and its about time that people from all walks of life and nationalities learnt that the problem is the policy's of the people in charge of Israel and not the innocent Jewish citizens that have no say in what the lunatics that have manipulated their way into power are getting up to. The governments of the usa and britain stand guilty alongside the leaders of Israel for the atrocities that are being committed against the Palestinian people. The Jewish people as a whole cannot be blamed for the actions of the demented few that are running the country. I am not to blame for the killings in Iraq and elsewhere committed by the british government just because i am english and live in Britain. Neither are the Jewish citizens of Israel responsible for what is going on in Palestine. Blame the cruel sadistic people in charge of the countries responsible.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Yet it's okay to demonise Germans or whoever endlessly, but not Jews? Double standards and hypocrisy imo.

You can't have Orthodox Jewery without Babylonian Talmud. Same as Potatos grow with skin - a serious student of Jewish law & the rabbis learn Talmud at Yeshiva schools.

You're a bare faced liar and most on this thread can see right through you.

I've listed the reasons before why they were expelled so many times from many places and it's nothing to do with big hats and noses) Muslims expelled them too.

You left out the Truth everytime, the Jews would not convert to Christianity and the Euro-Trash Coveted their wealth and property.

I have no time for a religion that mutilates baby's genitals as initiation & calls gentiles human cattle & all manner of derogatry terms.

A bunch of banking cabals (usury) & Communism
Super Bullshit with free lollipops :rolleyes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
A major source for propaganda about Jewish Bolshevism in the 1930s and early 1940s was the pro-Nazi and virulently antisemitic international Welt-Dienst / World-Service / Service Mondial news agency founded in 1933 by Ulrich Fleischhauer.

At the same time, and independently of the Nazis was a tendency within the German Army to see Soviet Communism as a Jewish conspiracy

The Myth of Jewish Communism

http://books.google.com/books?id=i6JDLkExAWsC&printsec=frontcover&dq=judaic+communism&source=bl&ots=hjmbm4HQO8&sig=KCbDzR9Nh2WMeq5J0zHpgK7oR9M&hl=en&ei=cOX3TK_6G82KswbF46zZCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&sqi=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=judaic%20communism&f=false

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Russia_and_Soviet_Union

There's been plenty of links to the real Talmud on various threads so your lies won't work here we've seen them many times before. Pro Israel Pro Zionist anti-gentile, shill biggoted authors of Jewish supremacy.


Super Bullshit withFree Lollipops :rolleyes:

Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

http://talmud.faithweb.com/
Gentiles Are Human
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man.html

The idea that only Jews are human and not gentiles runs contrary to a number of fundamental Jewish principles. According to the Talmud, gentiles ARE human and the complicated texts quoted to prove the accusation are misinterpreted, as we shall see.
We see from Gittin that the Talmud considers the phrase Bnei Adam (sons of man) to refer also to gentiles. We see from Avodah Zarah that the Talmud considers the term HaAdam (the man) to refer also to gentiles. Clearly, gentiles are considered human. Why then does the Talmud in Bava Metzia understand that gentiles are not considered Adam (man)?

The explanation is that these are different terms and only a superficial reading would render the term Adam in Bava Metzia as man. Gentiles are absolutely considered human as biology clearly dictates; there are no physiological differences between Jews and gentiles. All people are ultimately descended from the same ancestors, Noah and Adam.

However, the Jews, as a unified nation, are one organic entity. We are obligated to treat each other as close family members and are responsible for each other's actions.

Gentiles Are Human ll
http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/man2.html

How many more Palestian homes will be bulldozed, kicked off their land - how many more children murdered? The Israelites never changed their habits.

Code of Conduct In 1992, the IDF drafted aCode of Conduct that is a combination of international law, Israeli law, Jewish heritage and the IDF's own traditional ethical code -Ruach Tzahal רוח צה"ל ("The Spirit of the IDF"). The Values of the IDF Tenacity of Purpose in Performing Missions and Drive to Victory - "The IDF servicemen and women
will fight and conduct themselves with courage in the face of all dangers and obstacles; They will
persevere in their missions resolutely and thoughtfully even to the point of endangering their lives."

Responsibility - "The IDF serviceman or woman will see themselves as active participants in the defense
of the state, its citizens and residents. They will carry out their duties at all times with initiative,
involvement and diligence with common sense and within the framework of their authority, while
prepared to bear responsibility for their conduct."

Credibility - "The IDF servicemen and women shall present things objectively, completely and
precisely, in planning, performing and reporting. They will act in such a manner that their peers and
commanders can rely upon them in performing their tasks."

Personal Example - "The IDF servicemen and women will comport themselves as required of them, and
will demand of themselves as they demand of others, out of recognition of their ability and
responsibility within the military and without to serve as a deserving role model."

Human Life - "The IDF servicemen and women will act in a judicious and safe manner in all they do, out of recognition of the supreme value of human life. During combat they will endanger themselves and their comrades only to the extent required to carry out their mission."
Purity of Arms - "The IDF servicemen and women will use their weapo ns and force only for the purpose of their mission, only to the necessary extent and will maintain their humanity even during combat. IDF soldiers will not use their weapons and force to harm human beings who are not combatants or prisoners of war, and will do all in their power to avoid causing harm to their lives, bodies, dignity and property." (see also Qana Shelling)
Professionalism - "The IDF servicemen and women will acquire the professional knowledge and skills
required to perform their tasks, and will implement them while striving continuously to perfect their
personal and collective achievements."

Discipline - "The IDF servicemen and women will strive to the best of their ability to fully and
successfully complete all that is required of them according to orders and their spirit. IDF soldiers will
be meticulous in giving only lawful orders, and shall refrain from obeying blatantly illegal orders."

Comradeship - "The IDF servicemen and women will act out of fraternity and devotion to their
comrades, and will always go to their assistance when they need their help or depend on them, despite
any danger or difficulty, even to the point of risking their lives."

Sense of Mission - "The IDF soldiers view their service in the IDF as a mission; They will be ready to give their all in order to defend the state, its citizens and residents. This is due to the fact that they are representatives of the IDF who act on the basis and in the framework of the authority given to them in accordance with IDF orders."
Code of Conduct against terrorists Recently, a team of professors, commanders and former judges, led by Tel Aviv University the holder of
the Ethics chair, Professor Assa Kasher, developed a code of conduct which emphasizes the right
behavior in low intensity warfare against terrorists, where soldiers must operate within a civilian
population. Reserve units and regular units alike are taught the following eleven rules of conduct, which
are an addition to the more generalIDF Spirit:

1. Military action can only be taken against military targets.
2. The use of force must be proportional.
3. Soldiers may only use weaponry they were issued by the IDF.
4. Anyone who surrenders cannot be attacked.
5. Only those who are properly trained can interrogate prisoners.
6. Soldiers must accord dignity and respect to the Palestinian population and those

arrested. 7. Soldiers must give appropriate medical care, when conditions allow, to oneself and one's enemy.
8. Pillaging is absolutely and totally illegal.
9. Soldiers must show proper respect for religious and cultural sites and artifacts.

Don't blame Israel, blame Hamas/PLO. The IDF volountarily gives up the Element of Surprise, the only fighting force in Worlds history to do that, they E-Mail, Text Message and Airborne Leaflet the area of operations.

Hamas/Hizbollah/Plo hide behind women and children and attack Israeli civilians, Jews/Xns/Arabs from amongst civilian Populations.
http://www.soldiersspeakout.com/

Yet you call any other sytem apart from your chosen few heathen pagans LOL talk about cognitive dissonance..

I do not, YHWH does, are you aware the Xns are not Pagans/Heathens?.


EDIT PS usual links you posted to the edited version of the talmud..


Again, Super Bullshit with Free Lollipops

http://www.elisarolle.com/romance/images/FrankFrazetta_TheDisagreement_1986.jpg

1: Who's 'demonizing' Germans. Do you equate my Anti-NAZIism with being Anti-German? If so, why?

2: You say I am a Liar, how so?

3: That is not an Edited Talmud, it is the Truth, see above Post about what the Orthodox Jews believe and what the Bible Teaches.

Here is the Facts: First there was the Written Torah, second came the Oral Torah, then came the Talmud which is Sages/Elders/Rabbinic explanation and opinions and reasonings of: The Torahs. :rolleyes:

I luv you Wildthang, but yooz are the most disgusting and repulsive entity I have evr encountered. YOU are the Liar and Hater and you're projecting it onto others is Bogus.

Own it Dude.

The Talmud says none of the Lies you and the other Bigots claim. The Post I put up is Orthodox Rabbinic Judaism, why don't you confront/engage that?

What do you have that is better?It is the Book of Yahweh/Bible/Torah that discerns who is Pagan/Heathen, not I.


Pagans/Heathens
Don't take it so personal, the majority of the world is Paganic and it doesn't mean YHWH hates you or you are going to a burning Hell, it merely means you have not been informed/clued up of the ultimate Revelation of Source.

I have refuted every Lie you have Posted and you are frustrated.

2 Bad, I ordered you to obtain a Book and read it but your Hubris/Ego apparently has refused to do so, so you remain ignorant.

Your Ignorance begets confusion, confusion begets lack of control, lack of control begets frustration, frustration begets rage, rage begets hatred, hatred begets murder.

[eternal_spirit]

More bollocks and no substance.

How many more Palestian homes will be bulldozed, kicked off their land - how many more children murdered? The Israelites never changed their habits.

[eternal_spirit]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vDhuCDsIMc0/S9cxuvTEdLI/AAAAAAAAAJo/ColwhRg60_8/s400/mohel-rabbi-yosef-weisburg-sucking-baby-penis.jpg

Rabbi Yosef Weinberg sucking blood from circumcised baby's penis.

[biblegirl]

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Dear members of the JIDF, ADL/JWC or whatever you belong to!
Dear Jews, Zionists, Judaists, Talmudists, Israelians or whatever you are!


The problem with you is, that you NEVER EVER expose youself for what you really are
but you yourself hide your true identity all the time.


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Well it makes sense why a person in your situation would take this Jew and Israel issue personally, because it HAS affected you, and you are concerned with knowing the truth. Obviously the brainwashing going on is just wrong, Jews and Germans are equally human. They each have some atrocities in their past (orchestrated by the same evil sources) but that's nothing to teach schoolchildren to feel guilt and unworthiness for. Especially nothing to use an excuse for why x people are better than y people and should be treated differently. Of course, there are leaders behind these atrocities, but their nationalities are probably less of an issue and their motives and spiritual activity much more important. Maybe focusing on their nationality is a way to hide what's really going on.

I also think it's important to not exchange one style of brainwashing for another. Such as happens in religion, a person raised fundamental might leave their religion and then (out of rebellion, not research) go the opposite way to say "there is no God" or "Satan is God". Well IMO that's just trading one form of brainwashing for another, and the person is no better off, other then feeling that their rebellion is in fact thinking for themselves. So, I would be cautious to go from one view of the Jews (they were so oppressed by us and we are evil for doing that to them) to another (they're the problem, it's all their fault, and they're the ones oppressing us) unless there really is substance to base it on.

All the problems the world has with Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, Israelians or
whatever you chose
to call you at this moment, is that YOU CREATE CONFUSION wherever you tread!

Well at least you sort of agree with me...indirectly :p that this matter is immersed in confusion, it's no wonder I get so many different answers on this thread for "what exactly is wrong with the Jews".

I'll admit right now that I'm not even a tiny bit interested in reading endless books and articles on this subject. I am interested in hearing from forum members, in their own words, on what is wrong with the Jews as a whole (because it is from the forum members that I hear the accusations, not from the books i'm reading). If they can't put it into words, and can only use websites and links to do their thinking for them, then that is very interesting to me and would lead me to believe that the Jew problem we are facing (within this forum and in the world) may be spiritual, rather than logical. This forum is the first I've been exposed to the mentality "it's the Jews fault" over and over. Fortunately this thread has caused me to be slightly more optimistic about the situation, as some people seem to admit it's not ALL Jews they have issue with but the Jewish ties to the NWO. That is understandable. But as for the rest...

(quoting myself)
I think I'm mostly perplexed as to why peoples so far away from the middle east (like USA and UK), would be consumed with a subject that doesn't seem all that relevant??? I don't know where you are located, but how does this affect you? What makes oppression of Jews or Palestinians more special than the Irish or Polish or Africans or Mexicans? Why the focus on this board about it? I never get into the Jew or Holocaust threads, but the subject pops up everywhere from chemtrails threads to health nutrition threads. I just want to know what causes people to post this stuff, what they are basing it on.

And my thread is already deep in spam, because I raised a touchy subject. *sigh* Ah well. Anyone care to put your fights on hold to answer the above questions?

[dollanaqua]

The year is 2010 and its about time that people from all walks of life and nationalities learnt that the problem is the policy's of the people in charge of Israel and not the innocent Jewish citizens that have no say in what the lunatics that have manipulated their way into power are getting up to. The governments of the usa and britain stand guilty alongside the leaders of Israel for the atrocities that are being committed against the Palestinian people. The Jewish people as a whole cannot be blamed for the actions of the demented few that are running the country. I am not to blame for the killings in Iraq and elsewhere committed by the british government just because i am english and live in Britain. Neither are the Jewish citizens of Israel responsible for what is going on in Palestine. Blame the cruel sadistic people in charge of the countries responsible.

You do not 'get it' at all.

Nobody here has said that the governments of Britain and especially the USA are 'not' guilty and nobody here is defending the policies of Britain or the USA in regards to 'The Modern State of Israel'.

'The Modern State of Israel' is a Democracy - Israeli citizens 'elect' those cruel sadistic terrorist leaders.

Also, 'the people' in 'The Modern State of Israel' serve in the IDF who guard the concentration camp that the Palestinian people are imprisoned within.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Ahoy Biblegirl:

Well done!!!!!! You've opened the Gates of Hell and the Army of the Children of Darkness are issuing forth, only one thing to do; Saddle Up!!!!!!!!

http://www.bookpalace.com/acatalog/FrazettaBerserker.jpg

ISRAEL'S HISTORY AND RIGHT TO EXIST
http://www.bookpalace.com/acatalog/FrazettaBerserker.jpg

Why Israel Is the Victim and the Arabs Are the Indefensible Aggressors in the Middle East

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/mid_east_conflict.htm

BIG LIES:

Demolishing The Myths of the Propaganda War Against Israel

By DAVID MEIR-LEVI

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/Big%20Lies%20Demolishing%20the%20Myths%20of%20the2 .html

Here's the Facts: Judaism is Legitimate, Israel is Legitimate, YHWH is Legitimate, Torah is Legitimate, Talmud is Legitimate, Jews are Legitimate, Zionism is Legitimate.

[ladybird]

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People, most probably innocent ones - are dying in Israel - and all over the world right now!

Please halt for a moment!!! THINK!


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147022


I wish we could stop those lunatics behind the curtain - whoever they are - to incite hate among the people of OUR planet!


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[biblegirl]

Ahoy Biblegirl:

Well done!!!!!! You've opened the Gates of Hell and the Army of the Children of Darkness are issuing forth, only one thing to do; Saddle Up!!!!!!!!


oops! i hope that this thread is in some way productive, and helps shed light on the issues we are facing in some way....otherwise, to the forum and to the world, i'm very sorry!

[dollanaqua]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vDhuCDsIMc0/S9cxuvTEdLI/AAAAAAAAAJo/ColwhRg60_8/s400/mohel-rabbi-yosef-weisburg-sucking-baby-penis.jpg

Rabbi Yosef Weinberg sucking blood from circumcised baby's penis.

Yes. Why Snoopy, please explain ?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

oops! i hope that this thread is in some way productive, and helps shed light on the issues we are facing in some way....otherwise, to the forum and to the world, i'm very sorry!

It is productive, the problem is some peeps are so entrenched in their ignorance and bigotry they refuse to admit they are wrong, repent and change their ways.

Here's the Facts: Judaism is Legitimate, Israel is Legitimate, YHWH is Legitimate, Torah is Legitimate, Talmud is Legitimate, Jews are Legitimate, Zionism is Legitimate.

The Historic Event at Sinai forever cements the Jews place in the History Books as Legitimate because the Torah was the first Book to be written in an Alphabet. The Jews reduced 1,000s of Graphic Images into less then 30 Images.

Judaism was the first Religion to require Literacy

[eternal_spirit]

Apparently the above picture the Rabbi/Moel is using his saliva as anti-septic?

The occult conotations such as keeping the succubus Lilth at bay by the mark of circumcision the child becomes a child of Israel and is now protected by the Shekina by forming a covenant with Yahweh with the blood ritual mutilation.



The reasons why male circumcision is wrong

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=138047
I'll bow out of this thread now.

Watch out for the deceivers & those who claim it has nothing to do with religious laws (Israel).

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Rabbi Yosef Weinberg sucking blood from circumcised baby's penis

Originally Posted by rapunzel used by Wildthang/Es as his signature.
What does Deuteronomy 13:13 say when speaking of the Israelites and their enemies. After slaughtering everything that breathes they must:
“Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. “
There we have it, humans beings considered as a burnt offering to the Lord..

This is proof what a deceitful liar/scumbag; you are: You took your signature from the Thread after I corrected Rapunzel for using a deficient Translation. You know better but you still lie. That's disgusting.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059474445&postcount=33

Again, the KJV is wrong, The Scriptures, a very highly rated Translation does not say: Burnt Offering

http://www.eliyah.com/thescriptures/

13‘Some men, sons of Beliya'al, have gone out of you midst and led the inhabi- tants of their city astray, saying, “Let us go and serve other mighty ones” ’ – mighty ones whom you have not known – 14then you shall inquire, search out, and ask diligently. And see if the matter is true and established that this abomination was done in your midst, 15you shall certainly smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, putting it under the ban, and all that is in it and its livestock, with the edge of the sword. 16“And gather all its plunder into the middle of the street, and completely burn with fire the city and all its plunder, before Yahweh your Elohim. And it shall be a heap forever, never to be built again. 17“And none of that which is put under the ban is to cling to your hand, so that turns from the fierceness of His dis- pleasure and Yahweh shall show you compassion, love you and increase you, as He swore to your fathers,


The Mamre Bible, direct from the Hebrew, likewise, no Burnt Offering!
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt0501.htm


אֱלֹהֶיךָ נֹתֵן לְךָ לָשֶׁבֶת שָׁם--לֵאמֹר. 13 If thou shalt hear tell concerning one of thy cities, which the LORD thy God giveth thee to dwell there, saying:
יד יָצְאוּ אֲנָשִׁים בְּנֵי-בְלִיַּעַל, מִקִּרְבֶּךָ, וַיַּדִּיחוּ אֶת-יֹשְׁבֵי עִירָם, לֵאמֹר: נֵלְכָה, וְנַעַבְדָה אֱלֹהִים אֲחֵרִים--אֲשֶׁר לֹא-יְדַעְתֶּם. 14 'Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of thee, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying: Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known';
טו וְדָרַשְׁתָּ וְחָקַרְתָּ וְשָׁאַלְתָּ, הֵיטֵב; וְהִנֵּה אֱמֶת נָכוֹן הַדָּבָר, נֶעֶשְׂתָה הַתּוֹעֵבָה הַזֹּאת בְּקִרְבֶּךָ. 15 then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in the midst of thee;
טז הַכֵּה תַכֶּה, אֶת-יֹשְׁבֵי הָעִיר הַהִוא--לְפִי-חָרֶב: הַחֲרֵם אֹתָהּ וְאֶת-כָּל-אֲשֶׁר-בָּהּ וְאֶת-בְּהֶמְתָּהּ, לְפִי-חָרֶב. 16 thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.
יז וְאֶת-כָּל-שְׁלָלָהּ, תִּקְבֹּץ אֶל-תּוֹךְ רְחֹבָהּ, וְשָׂרַפְתָּ בָאֵשׁ אֶת-הָעִיר וְאֶת-כָּל-שְׁלָלָהּ כָּלִיל, לַיהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ; וְהָיְתָה תֵּל עוֹלָם, לֹא תִבָּנֶה עוֹד. 17 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the broad place thereof, and shall burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, unto the LORD thy God; and it shall be a heap for ever; it shall not be built again.
יח וְלֹא-יִדְבַּק בְּיָדְךָ מְאוּמָה, מִן-הַחֵרֶם--לְמַעַן יָשׁוּב יְהוָה מֵחֲרוֹן אַפּוֹ, וְנָתַן-לְךָ רַחֲמִים וְרִחַמְךָ וְהִרְבֶּךָ, כַּאֲשֶׁר נִשְׁבַּע, לַאֲבֹתֶיךָ. 18 And there shall cleave nought of the devoted thing to thy hand, that the LORD may turn from the fierceness of His anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as He hath sworn unto thy fathers;
יט כִּי תִשְׁמַע, בְּקוֹל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ, לִשְׁמֹר אֶת-כָּל-מִצְו‍ֹתָיו, אֲשֶׁר אָנֹכִי מְצַוְּךָ הַיּוֹם--לַעֲשׂוֹת, הַיָּשָׁר, בְּעֵינֵי, יְהוָה אֱלֹהֶיךָ. {ס} 19 when thou shalt hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep all His commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of the LORD thy God.

You are truly pathetic. :(

Any of you ignorant Bigots care to explain either of these documents

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm


Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?
The New Atheists and Old Testament Ethics
http://www.epsociety.org/printer_template.asp?pid=45

http://www.epsociety.org/library/articles.asp?pid=45

[dollanaqua]

It is productive, the problem is some peeps are so entrenched in their ignorance and bigotry they refuse to admit they are wrong, repent and change their ways.

Here's the Facts: Judaism is Legitimate, Israel is Legitimate, YHWH is Legitimate, Torah is Legitimate, Talmud is Legitimate, Jews are Legitimate, Zionism is Legitimate.

The Historic Event at Sinai forever cements the Jews place in the History Books as Legitimate because the Torah was the first Book to be written in an Alphabet. The Jews reduced 1,000s of Graphic Images into less then 30 Images.

Judaism was the first Religion to require Literacy

That would explain why you guys have been such great liars for milleniums.

As we can see.

Everything and anything that favours only Judaism is legitimate in the mind of Snoopy, even if it means The Rest of the World has to suffer for the sins of followers of Judaism. :D

[ladybird]

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People, most probably innocent ones - are dying in Israel - and all over the world right now!

Please halt for a moment!!! THINK!


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=147022


I wish we could stop those lunatics behind the curtain - whoever they are - to incite hate among the people of OUR planet!


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[biblegirl]

Greek Melkite Archbishop Cyrille Salim Bustros said: “The Holy Scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of the Palestinians, to justify the occupation…We Christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people. This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people—all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.”

Interesting quote, but what I mentioned about the "spiritual Israel" (cult?) is a very popular belief here. The Christians/Mormons/7th Day people think they are the real Jews.

Hello biblegirl,
I think it is good of you to raise this topic and clear up the issue.
Firstly as you correctly say many of us are brainwashed from a young age into believing that Jews are the master race and God's chosen people.
This clearly is a blatant lie.
But many Jews themselves also believe that they are the master race and the rest of us are merely cattle and dogs for them to play with and control and milk.
So one of the problems stems from Jews in general having a supremacist ideology.
Ofcourse there are many that are not bad and dont share this view but clearly we are talking about the ones that do.

Then there is an issue about Zionism and Israel.
Actually Zionism has NOTHING to do with Judaism.
Zionism is simply APARTHEID by another name.
Israel has no right to exist, firstly it is forbidden by the Jewish religion and secondly the people who emigrate to live in Israel have no roots or links to that area.
Most of the Zionists come from Britain, America, Poland, Russia but trace their roots back to a land known as Khazaria.
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Hey the main thing is that you have woken up and are starting to ask questions.
That is very good and i wish more people would open their eyes to the world around us.

Most of our MPs are Zionist Jews, Most of our media is owned by Zionist Jews, most of our banks and businesses especially the entertainment industry is owned by Zionist Jews.
So is it any wonder that the myth about them being the master race and God's chosen people is allowed to persist.

Thank you for this thoughtful post. I can see how the supremacy issue could be a turn off to Jews in general, if and when they exhibit this behavior.

israel gets the rap because it's the latest and most publicized european colonization of land that already had tenants living there for dozens of centuries.

we have the typical symptoms of colonies: the colonists enjoy more rights, more luxuries and a general higher standard of living while the natives become foreigners in the lands of their fathers.

Exactly, so the publicity is maybe the reason that people are concerning themselves with the Israel/Jew issue, when really there are much closer and more relevant problems in their own locations. Kind of like people being concerned over who Paris Hilton is dating. The media tells us what is important and everything we should know :rolleyes:. So the real issues happening around us everyday that we can do something about, are ignored. Thank you for bringing up the most probable reason. That would turn the question into: why the publicity, what is the media's agenda. Divide and conquer is a simple enough explanation, I tend to think the answer has more to do with spiritual things.

The year is 2010 and its about time that people from all walks of life and nationalities learnt that the problem is the policy's of the people in charge of Israel and not the innocent Jewish citizens that have no say in what the lunatics that have manipulated their way into power are getting up to. The governments of the usa and britain stand guilty alongside the leaders of Israel for the atrocities that are being committed against the Palestinian people. The Jewish people as a whole cannot be blamed for the actions of the demented few that are running the country. I am not to blame for the killings in Iraq and elsewhere committed by the british government just because i am english and live in Britain. Neither are the Jewish citizens of Israel responsible for what is going on in Palestine. Blame the cruel sadistic people in charge of the countries responsible.

Great post, thank you :).

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Here is Data which makes Judaism Unique-Sui Generis

Unrivalled historical Import.

The Irony is; although it is the Torah which incited enabled universal Alphabetic Literacy, many writers now want to claim Judaism is obsolete or illegitamate. :rolleyes: X infinity

Once upon a time in the Sinai Desert a most unusual occurence occured.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059345915&postcount=729
ORIGINS OF THE TORAH

http://judaism.about.com/library/3_a...mons_faith.htm


V'etchanan(Deuteronomy 3:23-7:11)
The Importance of National Revelation and the Shema

http://www.aish.com/tp/b/lp/48950931.html


TORAH FOR ALL ISRAELITE NATIONS

http://yourarmstoisrael.org/Articles...ation/?page=26

In recorded History, the most significant event in the Sinai Desert was the National Revelation, a Public Meet & Greet with a mixed multitude of humanity by the Creator/Source known as Yahweh.

The Revelation of the Divine Name

http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk...on_motyer.html

The Christian and Other Religions: the Biblical Evidence

http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk...ons_wright.pdf

Three Revolutionary Innovations in Human History took place.

1: Monotheism

2:Universal Codified Law

3: An Aleph/Bet 1,800 BCE

Monotheism rather then Polytheism, Rule of Law for All rather then the Divine Rights of Kings or Queens and an Aleph/Bet, less then thirty characters that replaced Iconographs/Ideograms and Hieroglyphs, enhancin Literacy amongst the masses.

The abstraction of all these innovations were mutually reinforcing.

Yahweh proclaimed that there exists a Codex of morality that stands above Human intercourse.

The 10 Commandments applied universally to everyone. no King, Pharoah, or Potentate was above the Law.

Refutes the rubric that 'Might makes Right'.

Yahweh expected all His Chosen peeps TO READ what He inspired to be written.

The Pentateuch is the oldest Book written in an Aleph/Bet-Alpha/Bet. Prior books were written in Cuneiform, Hierglyphs etc......

Yahweh forbade anyone from visualising Him. No Images. No Idolatry.

He sanctioned only the written word.

This promulgates equality and openness.

An overarching Theme of the Pentateuch, and ensuing Books of the Bible is: Justice for all.

A distinguishing feature of the Pentateuch from other belief systems of the Time is its dominating Theme of: Righteousness,

Living a pious life and obeying written law was/is more important than winning Battles, honouring the King, or sacrificing to a local god.

Justice for all was a unique community standard in an era when the dominant principle was a raised and clenched fist.

Due to the Concept/Principle of Right Living, a unique type of leader arose amongst the Israelites: The Prophet.

Biblical Prophets; seemingly self-appointed, claiming to receive Testable Signals from Yahweh; witnessed and criticized Israeli behaviour;
confronting the peeps baser urges.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Prophets were usually not Royalty, heroes, warriors, they were commen men who railed against injustice and impiety. Constantly upbraiding/Chastizing/Rebuking Israelites; reminding them that Yahweh cared only that his people lived in Truth.

Prophets did not achieve their position by Birthright, appointment or election, they were Inspired and Just.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, the Exodus begins with the people shackled slaves.

Unlike other ANE Sagas, Yahweh 'Chose' the people rather then the people choosing their god.

is Genesis merely a rip-off of other ANE lit?
http://christianthinktank.com/gilgymess.html

What occurred at/in Sinai was unique, the Authority of the Written Word superseded the authority of the Image.

Reiterating the Revolutionary Innovations that occurred at Sinai:

1: Monotheisn emerged,

2:Universal Codified Laws establishing Moral Ethics

3: The AlephBet-Proto AlphaBet emerged. The Hebrews reduced thosands of Images/Hieroglyphs/Petroglyphs/Ideograms/Pictograms into two dozen Characters, enabling Universal Literacy

For the first time ever, Religion demanded the follower be Literate. It is Commanded the Fathers obtain Scrolls of the Torah and teach them to their children.

Moses Commanded; Thou shall read the Law before all Israel Deut-31:10,11

The Reading of the Torah remains the most sacred obligation of every Jew.

Yahweh was concerned, unlike other gods, about the actions of everyone of His people.

Yahweh actually cares.

If someone was cheating/exploiting widows and orphans, mistreating strangers and slaves.etc.......YHWH knew and became wrathful.

The polytheistic gods did not.

Yahweh in His written Laws provided preventive Medicine, unknown to Egypt and Mesopotamis.

He explicitly spelled out in excruciating detail and minutia exactly what He expected from each and every Israelite.

Each Israelite established a personal relationship with Yahweh.

All of Yahwehs Laws were written down and everybody knew them.

It was an absolute Judaic condition that every male was literate.

Ignorance of the Law was no defence.

The Hebrews were the first to embrace Alphabetic writing, the Torah is the first Book written in an Alphbet.

The 10 Commandments were transmitted in a written Alphabetic form; Paleo-Hebrew.

Abstract letters/grammatical sequence/uniconsonantal phenomes.

The Alephbet/Alphabet introduced the possibility of Universal Literacy, so we may honestly thank and praise Yahweh that we are Literate!

All together now: Hallelu Yahweh!!!


Woot!!!! Wooot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So once upon a time way out in the Sinai Desert a radical new communication technology emerged that would forever change cultural perceptions and that the first people to utilize it would introduce fundamental principles and features underpinning Western Civilisation.

Historical Data: Proto-Sinatic Alphabet

Discovered by Sir William Flinders Petrie, very early 20th century. Dated to: 1,800 BCE

Egyptian Coptic 2,000 years later/after

Tell el Armana Cache Phoenician 1,450 BCE letters from Canaanite Leaders to Akhenaton were scribed in Cuneiform

Akkadian Cuneiform after Sumerian Conquest.

An amazing vortex of Science and History occurred in the Sinai that the worlds oldest alphabet was found where the Hebrew Nation had their seminal experience.


Who'd a thunk??

[ladybird]

ALRIGHT then, when there is no more reason to be found in the bean-brains of the sheople ....


http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/29/dam-of-lies/


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"Keep Eating Shit People. Keep Thinking None Of This Is Real."


http://lupocattivoblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/keep-eating-shit-people-keep-thinking-none-of-this-is-real/

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[biblegirl]

What is the definition of a real Jew?

I have heard that the Rothschilds and their gang are actually "Edomites" but they are known as Jews, do they profess to be real Jews? Or have people traced their history and discovered they were Jews?

If a person is considered Anti-Semitic, are they racist against real Jews or fake Jews, and for what reason? When Mel Gibson was Hollywood blacklisted for his supposedly antisemitic rant, who was he talking about? The Rothschilds and Jewish Banking families? Or innocent everyday Jews who are going about their business? I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan. Therefore, Jews are bad. Does this factor into all the real-Jew-fake-Jew-anti-semitic-whatever views expressed on this board? Or is that something else entirely? Ever heard of "Spritual Israel"? The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land. If I'm the only person in the world who is confused by all this then my apologies, it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but your answers are helping to lay the groundwork at least. I hear that Jews are persecuted and despised on one hand, and on the other hand everyone is joining the "I want to be a Jew" club (where I'm from, anyway). Can you just become a Jew? Thank you to anyone who has had the patience to get this far.

any takers?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

This, and the Fact Judaism brought forth Yahshua haMessiah is eternal proof of Judaisms Validity and vitality.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059357621&postcount=736

Before Monotheism there had never been Religious Warfare.

The Polytheistic Cultures were live and let live about other culture Deities and often borrowed and share aspects.

The Polytheistic Deities were usually Local Deities, not Universe/Worldwide.

Polytheist had National gods, Local gods, family gods and personal gods, even their pet animals had gods.

Monotheism was a Major Advance along the road to Enlightenment, but came at a high cost.

Monotheism encouraged people to think in new ways. A Monotheistic Creator Being not tied to a concrete Image/Picture is a very Abstract Concept..

Abstraction is a crucial component of Logical Reasoning and its use can liberate people from superstition.

Devotion to an Abstract Deity has a Heavy price.

If everyone agrees there is only one, true, Living Creator Being, and different groups conceive of it in different ways, then whose perception of that Deity is the correct one?

Examine each groups values and praxis.

Different perceptions have inspired some groups to wage war and engage in forced conversions.

This never occurred in Polytheistic Cultures.

They had many wars but for the usual mundane reasons, Land, Treasure, Women, Power over others for the sake of Power alone, but they never waged Religious War.

One effect of an Alphabetic based Monotheism is the brain is using a new abstract, linear, sequential, and reductionist means of communication which moves people who learn it and use it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode, rather then the usual Pictographic, Feminine Right Brain Mode.

The Aleph/Alphabet subliminally coaxes users to be intolerent of other Iconic Systems of Beliefs.

This is illuminated in the Ten Commandments.

As stated before, Judaism is the first religion to be based upon universal literacy, the written word.

When Moses came down from his meet and greet with YHWH on the mountain, the multitude had fashioned an Idol/Golden Calf, this dicombobulated Moses so much he dropped the two stone Tablets Yahweh had written the ten commandments.


Allegorically: In the first confrontation between Ihage and Written Word, both were destroyed.

As the story goes, Moses returned to the Mountain Top and Yahweh provided him with another set. Yahweh also taught Moses the Alephbet.

The 10 Commandments; The first four Commandments are for the Recognition and service/Worship of Yahweh, the remaining six focus on our fellow humans, loving and serving them.

The Commandment to Honour Both Father and Mother elevates and recognizes the importance and status of Women in the Family Group.

Loving your neighbour is not one of the Ten but appears in the Torah/Instruction, Leviticus 19:18.

The last six commandments are not unusual, and found in other Codexes of Laws, The First four Commandments are Unique.
Each one of the four encourages Alphabetic Literacy by rejecting the Right Brains way of 'knowing'.

One effect of a new, abstract, linear, sequential and reductionist means of communication moves people who learn it into a Left Brain, Masculine Mode.

Social Engineering.

The 10 Commandments: The First four concern Recognition/Respect and Service/Worship of Yahweh.

The remaining six are love and respect of fellow humans.

The Ethics they embody are more sophisticated then other contemporary ANE Cultures.

The commandment to honour BOTH Father and Mother signifies the womens important role and in the Family Unit.

Loving Neighbours is in the General Torah/Instruction: Leviticus 19:18

The last six commandments are not unusual, the first four commandments are unique. Each of the first four encourage Alphabetic literacy by rejecting the right brains way of knowing.

The First Commandment:

20:2 I am Yahweh thy Elohim, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

20:3 Thou shalt have no other elohim before me.

In one fell swoop subserviates all other elohim/gods & goddesses.

Nothing personal, it was business.

The Meta-Message of the First Commandment is that Yahweh is the Master of the Universe, He is self-existant, and all other elohim/gods & goddesses are created beings, subserviant to Him. Psalm 82

Psalm 82

82:1 Yahweh standeth in the congregation of El; he judgeth among the elohim.

82:2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

82:3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

82:4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are children of the most High.

82:7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

82:8 Arise, O Yahweh, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

All of Yahwehs Titles are masculine.

The First Commandment is a radical break with the Hebrews past environment. Moses and the Hebrews had left Egypt which was Polytheistic, alot of gods and goddesses worship.

Yahweh declares there is no worship of other gods or goddesses. Full Stop.

Perhaps the most radical sentence ever written.

The Second Commandment:

20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I; Yahweh thy Elohim am a jealous Elohim, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

No Graven Images, Icons or Idols, Statues.

Learning to think without Images is indispensable to Alphabetic Literacy. The Power formerly rendered to Images/Pictures is now transferred to the written word.

Make no Graven Images is a ban/restraint on Right Brain Pattern Recognition.

The Third Commandment:

20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of Yahweh thy Elohim in vain; for Yahweh will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

Do not use Yahwehs Name vainly, with Malintent. Again; Left Brain.

Yahwehs first instruction to adam isto Name all the critters. Through Naming, Adam attains dominion over all the Earth. Naming confers meaning and order, moving Life from Chaos to Order.

To Name is to know, to know is to control. Order out of Chaos.

The Fourth Commandment:

20:8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

20:10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of thy Elohim: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

20:11 For in six days made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Seven Days are not a Natural Break Point in any of Earths Major Natural Rhythmic Cycles-Lunar-Solar, except the Quarter Moon.

This facilitates the learning of Aritmatic.

Leviticus 25:3-10 is about the Jubilee Years, the 50th,

No other ANE culture at that time had instructed the general population to compute complex time periods, this had formerly been the domain of the Priestly Castes.

The Time Commandment lays the foundation for the concept of Justice, a well developed sense of Linear Time is necessary to conceive of Punishment delayed and Rewards postponed.

Non-Literate Cultures are not as pre-occupied with the notion/concept of Justice as the Literate, because they do not conceive of time only as linear.

Non-Literated peeps tend to think of death as a passage to another World, not as a Day in Court.

Alphabets stretch out the sense of Time and make possible the awareness of the possibility of a retribution Time in the distant future.

A Judgements day only occurs in Literate Cultures.

Alphabet Literate Cultures became aware of writing History in a Linear, Chronological sequencing of Events.

The fourth Commandments Mechanical/Sociological ramifications is instructing people to be aware of Passing Time.

This was the advent of the seven day week, and a day off every week.

A day off for ALL Humans, Free and Bond, and ALL Beasts of Burden and the Farmland every seven years isto lay fallow to rejuvinate the enzymes in the ground.

This led to Sundials, waterclocks, Pendulums, Escape Mechanisms, Cogs, Gears, Calenders.

Time is a key function of the Left Brain.

Each of the First Four Commandments trains people in the ability to: Think Abstractly, linearly and sequentially.

Collectively, they produce a Mindset that enhances the use and facility of Alphabetic Literacy.

This Technology welded the small group into a cohesive and coherent Nation/Culture.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ladybird]

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Dear members of the JIDF, ADL/JWC or whatever you belong to!
Dear Jews, Zionists, Judaists, Talmudists, Israelians or whatever you are!


The problem with you is, that you NEVER EVER expose youself for what you really are
but you yourself hide your true identity all the time.

I am German as you can see from my signature.
I do not belong to a religious or political group. I believe in God.
I was heavily guilt brainwashed from kindergarten on and woke up because of all the lies and deceit.
I did my homework on the true history of mankind and am still working on it as you can see from my
comments on this forum.
I was finally able to drop the chains of mind control and started to love my country and my people
instead of hating them. Before that I loved all other people on this planet - Jews most - but not my own.
I do not feel guilt any longer for things that I did not do and which cannot be proven scientifically,
because they are the world's biggest TABOO and protected by religious laws which force people to believe.

So, please tell us, who or what are you, Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, IS-RA-ELians .....
when you post on your personal problems which are as old as the stones.

That is the problem the whole world has with you, because you are hiding your true identity
all the time since the very beginning and
you constantly "draw the card out of your sleeve" which is most suitable at the moment.

So please finally tell us the truth, are you maybe a race, or an ethnicity, perhaps you are a
religious group or just a conglomerate of all of that and more?

Most of your ancestors travelled this beautiful planet and you do not have a real homeland to this day.
You never really integrated because you needed to keep your blood pure because of religion and your god,
and as far as we know, this did not change much to this day.

In my country, Germany, you rarely meet Jews etc because they are Catholics, Lutherians, Calvinists,
Huguenots, EVEN MUSLIMS or members of any other religious sect ....
they do not tell you: "I am a Jew, a Zionist, a Talmudist, an Orthodox Jew a Judaist or an Israelian ...
by BLOOD, HEART and/or CONVICTION ....
but I chose to live in Germany and call myself a German because I am so much afraid of the vicious Huns
and because the climate is so nicely moderate!"

They hide again and still - although there are LAWS to protect them, they are Cryptos.

Dear internet defence force, your ancestors also chose to change their names whenever it pleased them.

So you neither have a homecountry nor do you bear your ancestors names!

I can understand that this fact had an impact on your hearts, souls and brains.
You created synthetic roots to feel rooted at all!
Very sad and I really mean it.

All the problems the world has with Jews, Zionists, Talmudists, Judaists, Israelians or
whatever you chose
to call you at this moment, is that YOU CREATE CONFUSION wherever you tread!

You may start 6 million point 66 threads on DIF about this problem, you only create more CONFUSION!

There is nothing straight or honest about those threads, they only serve to distract and confuse
the NON-JewsZionistsTalmudistsJudaistsIsraelians ... even more.

I am gradually losing hope that you will ever change from within.

Very very sad topic for the whole world - NOT ONLY FOR YOU!

No hard feelings, but the truth can no longer be hidden, you know,
and constantly howling how bad and injust you get treated
and that nobody understands you,
does not help at all, but on the contrary.

"As you sow, so you shall reap" is a law of nature
and nature cannot be cheated.

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[snoopsnuffleopagus]

any takers?

I'll take a swing, it is found at mideastweb, I've already provided the link.

some incredible Ignorance is being displayed here, ignorance begets hatred.

http://www.mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm
Jew & Jewish - Definitions
Who is a Jew?
A Jew is a member of the Jewish religion, ethnic group or people. Different Jews define themselves differently and "Jew" has been defined differently by non-Jews as well. Jews are descendants of the original inhabitants of the land of Israel or Palestine, and of people who converted to Judaism and became part of the Jewish people. Not all Jews are religious. Some are atheists or agnostics. Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheists in the world. Some people defined as Jews by Israeli law are members of the Christian faith according to religious law. For more information about "who is a Jew" click here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew

The Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדִים‎‎ Yehudim [jɛhuːdiːm]), also known as the Jewish people, are a nation and ethnoreligious group originating in the Israelites or Hebrews of the Ancient Near East. The Jewish ethnicity, nationality, and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation.[6][7][8] Converts to Judaism, whose status as Jews within the Jewish ethnos is equal to those born into it, have been absorbed into the Jewish people throughout the millennia.

In Jewish tradition, Jewish ancestry is traced to the Biblical patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the second millennium BCE.

The original term is Yahdai=Person of Yah in the plural-Yahdaim=People of Yahweh.

I would be considered a spiritual Israelite because I recognize YHWH as One and recognize YHWHs Covenant with Abraham. Do you agree with this Biblegirl?
If so, you are a Spiritual Israelite.

Matthew 2222:36 Rabbi, which is the great commandment in the law?

22:37 Yahshua said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

From my Thread, what do you think about this Biblegirl?

It is 2010 SpaceTime Planet Earth

From Orthodox Rabbi Greenbergs book, 'For the Sake of Heaven and Earth'Jews and Xns are redicovering 'The Image of Yah' in each other, after a coupla millenia of discord and animus.

This rediscovery allows each to uncover and affirm each others role in the Divine Plan. The Kingdom of Yahweh is advanced and comes closer.

'You are my witnesses says Yahweh' Isaiah 43:10

The People of Israel are Yahwehs Servants, 'Chosen' to witness to the loving Creator and the Divine Plan for Humanity and the Cosmos.

The People of Israel = not just the Israelis, or Jews, but to all who affirm that Yahweh has made a valid Covenant with Abraham and his descendants and all who take up the task of World Redemption so that the covenant can be fulfilled.
For that is the purpose of making the covenant.

Xns and Muslims are recognized as Abrahams children when they purge themselves of Supersessionist claims and hatred of Jews.

To be True to its Witness, the People of Israel tell 3 Stories to the World, the rest of Humanity, in the presence of Yahweh and in the presence of their fellow Humans.

1: They tell the Story of Creation, the Divine Vision of an intended perfect World. Jew & Xn stake their existence that this World will come to be.

2: The Story of the Covenant, the process operating between a Divine-Human partnership whereby our imperfect World will be brought back to that state of Perfection.

3: The Story of Redemption-sometimes called: 'The End of Days'-'The Messiah Story'-which is the culmination and realization of the process.

At the end, Holistic perfection will be achieved.

Peace between Humans.

Between Humans and all the rest of Life, between all Life and Nature itself, and between all of the above and Yahweh.

Three Stories add up to one comprehensive Story: The Triumph of Life.

Now I've Posted the Core concepts and essence of Judaism and none of the Bigots had the courage to engage it.

No Supremicism, no exploitation, the Bigots/Haters prefer their Darkness and Lies and that is disgusting. They are hurting themselves and retarding human evolution.

The Jews and Israel are Legitimate, deal with it.

[dollanaqua]

A few years ago upon pondering over what the Zionists 'true' plan was in regards to 'The Modern State of Israel' a thought passed through my mind that perhaps they were hoping to 'manipulate' as many people as possible to go there voluntarily so that the Zionists could then murder all of them at once by nuking them at a later pre-planned date - mass ritualistic sacrifice.

It was only a thought that once passed through my mind, i don't really believe that is going to happen.

[ladybird]

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Every thinkable atrocity has been committed up to now by inhabitants of this planet.

Perhaps there are still thoughts that have not yet been thought ....

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[biblegirl]

A few years ago upon pondering over what the Zionists 'true' plan was in regards to 'The Modern State of Israel' a thought passed through my mind that perhaps they were hoping to 'manipulate' as many people as possible to go there voluntarily so that the Zionists could then murder all of them at once by nuking them at a later pre-planned date - mass ritualistic sacrifice.

It was only a thought that once passed through my mind, i don't really believe that is going to happen.

my brother was offered an all-expense paid stay in Israel as a part of a program called Sons of Israel (that's right, we're part Jewish, sound the alarm :eek:) so there is definitely a bribery and mass herding of certain genetics to that area...your idea is very interesting

[dollanaqua]

I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan.

I am interested in discovering more about those doctrines.

Can you expand on the above in 100 words or less please ? :)

my brother was offered an all-expense paid stay in Israel as a part of a program called Sons of Israel (that's right, we're part Jewish, sound the alarm :eek:) so there is definitely a bribery and mass herding of certain genetics to that area...your idea is very interesting

I have no problem with you being part-Jewish, so long as you don't condone Palestinians being expelled from their own land then herded into concentration camps by usurpers and tyrants.

A "program" - hmm....

Program:To train to perform automatically in a desired way, as if programming a machine.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

A few years ago upon pondering over what the Zionists 'true' plan was in regards to 'The Modern State of Israel' a thought passed through my mind that perhaps they were hoping to 'manipulate' as many people as possible to go there voluntarily so that the Zionists could then murder all of them at once by nuking them at a later pre-planned date - mass ritualistic sacrifice.

It was only a thought that once passed through my mind, i don't really believe that is going to happen.

Let's keep in mind you are a mental midget, malinformed, bigoted and hateful so your musings are worth shit. :rolleyes:

You're mentally/Emotionally retarded and you are retarding human evolution and progress, you too ladybird.

And my requested opinion of the pic you Posted. Who cares, what do I know, I want your opinion on the Essence of Orthodox Judaism which none of you bigots have the moral courage to engage.Here is the Core Biblical Belief, Orthodox Judaic and Xn, begins in Genesis 1:3:

Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of Yah/God

Quote:
1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
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As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian parlance Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, idolatry Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.

The lay people of Yahweh play a more influential role in discerning Yahwehs purpose and in carrying out His Divine Mandates.

Later, ensuing Historical events reshape understandings of earlier Teachings.

Summarized

We=ALL Living things-creatures-sustained and Nurtured by Yahweh-will fill the World with Life.

* We will reshape the Historical Reality, the Flesh & Blood world we inhabit, to sustain that Life at the highest possible level.

* Life will multiply and triumph Quantitatively over allits enemies; including Entropy, Death, and Disorder.

* Life will equally triumph Qualitatively.

* All of lifes capacities/potentials will be developed fully and realized.

* When Life blossoms to its fullest capacity that treats all Life, especially Human Life-the most developed form-and sustains it with the highest and fullest respect that it deserves, then Life will be in harmony with existence and deeply related to Yahweh, its Source and Sustainer(Natural Laws)

* This is the Jews Story, and by default; the Christians/Xns.

* Telling the Story of Creation is the Jews 'Witness'. The present evidentiary Facts contradict the Narrative fairly substantialy.

* Yet, This Story of Creation is shared by Jews and Xns.

* This Story leads Humans to see existence as best they can, from a Cosmic Perspective-Sub Specie Aeternitatis.

* From that Vantage Point there are Three Grand Movements in the unfolding Pattern of the Cosmos

1: The World is moving from Chaos to Order. From the Big Bang, with no Laws of Nature to the regularity of the Life sustaining Laws of Nature.

2: The World is moving from Non-Life to Life. From a State in which no life existed to the emergence of Life. From one cell, untold replications, life has grown Quantitatively, and developed Qualitatively. It has luxuriated and spread into a vast range of forms over and through a variety of sustaining conditions/environments.

* The declaration that Life is growing, moving from non-life to life is counter-intuitive.
Death & Entropy refute that contention.

The 'Key' is Yahweh-The Hidden, Infinite Source of Life with limitless Goodness, Love and Power that sustains Life and Nurtures every possible Form of Life into Being.

* Yahweh, the Divine Source evokes the Third Grand Movement of the Cosmos

3: Life is growing ever more to resemble its Ground: Yahweh.

Life moves from being less to becoming more and more like Yahweh. The highest form of Life, the Human Being, represents the High Point reached thus far.

In Human Form, life so resembles its Maker that it is called; Biblically; 'The Image of Yah'

* This emergence of "The Image of Yah" is the Turning Point in Cosmic History according to Jews & Xns.

Up to that point Life has been sworn to 'Be Fruitful & Multiply' (maximizing reproductive success) through a built-in control Programme-A 'Selfish Gene'- that drives the process.

* The 'Image of Yahs' Consciousness is so much like Yahwehs that Humans are able to 'grasp' this overall pattern of which we, ourselves are part, and to join voluntarily in its realization.

* Similarly, The Human 'Image of Yah' has a capacity to Love ALL their fellow creatures and every aspect of the Universe, as well as the Maker of it all and the Beauty of the Plan.

* Once Humans understand and embrace this understanding, they will lovingly identify with and willingly participate in the process of Perfection.

* Yahweh has invited us, as Humans, The 'Image of Yah', to enter into a Covenantal Partnership, committed to Love, to join fully in perfecting the Universe.

Tikun Olam

* The People of Israel joyfully acknowledge that Yahwehs first Covenant, the Noahide Covenant, never superseded, is made with ALL Humanity, not exclusively with Jews and/or Xns alone.

* It is made with ALL Sentient Beings.

* ALL Beings are called to recognize and participate in Natures Patterns.

* To accept Limits.

* To Direct their choices and actions in favour of Life.

* To join in working for Order against Chaos.

* We are ALL CHOSEN to become part of the movement from Non-Life to Life.

* We are commanded to increase Life and make it grow ever more like its Maker.


* The purpose of the Religious way of life is to create the nurturing ambience of memory and experience, of relationships and actions that sustain Human growth and turns it towards Yahweh.

* Being in the 'Image of Yahweh' brings with it more Yahweh like capacities. It bestows intrinsic Dignity, a climatic extension of that respect to which all of life is entitled.

* The People of Israel hold these Truths to be self-evident: That ALL Humans are created in 'The Image of Yahweh'; and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rightts, among which are:

* Infinite Value

* Equality

* Uniqueness.

These are Birthrights of every Son & Daughter of Yahweh/God


Now, the question is: Why are so many peeps so ardent about obliterating, confusing this Teaching?

What do they have that even remotely approaches it in its detailed egalitarian, lovingkindness?

Is Yahweh a Moral Monster?
The New Atheists and Old Testament Ethics

http://www.epsociety.org/printer_template.asp?pid=45

So do you see Biblegirl, no Supremicism, no exploitation.

The Bigots are liars. And don't have the moral courage or honesty to acknowledge the above Data; Ahoy!!!!!!!!!!! No Balls? Y'all prefer your Bigoted/Hateful Fantasy Land?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

More lies and bullshit from Snoops
Same old Talmud apologist site lies
from Jewish supremacist nutjobs like snoops. It's a pathetic attempt to try sanitise the horrible filth written in the Talmud about us gentiles anyone with a brain can see the texts. Look it up and see who the liar is (Snoops)

I'm not going round in circles again with Mr Kosher cock lover 4 years of his abuse is long enough, I do debate other topics (I'm off to do that) but Snoops has two topics only shilling for Judaism and demonsing Germans.


You've followed me round for years like a bad smell from Yahweh's anus & becasue I'm honest about my Irish German anscestry you use that and come out with crappola about Celts.

You know German and other children are taught about the holocaust in school. For the purpose of equality I think they and Jewish children should be taught about Jewish/Judaic Communists.
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupied...ents-USSR.html (http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-occupiedgovernments-USSR.html)

I recommend you read the truth here the biggest mass murders of the past century Communists they slaughtered around 60,000 thousand Germans before world war 2 before any Jews were killed.

Communism the same political ideology which gave birth to Mao, Pol Pot etc - that starved it's own people killed 100's of millions. Displaced 100's of millions.

Nazism was a response to Communism, Talmudism, Banking cabals - all Jewish creations run and controlled by Jews - which where running amok in Europe - killing milllions and destroying economies and cultures.

In 1943 Germany was at war against the Soviet Union. Twenty-five years earlier, at the end of the First World War, when communist revolutionaries were attempting to take over Germany, Adolf Hitler had sworn to devote his life to fighting communism. He was only a corporal at the time, recuperating from his war wounds in a military hospital, but 15 years later, in 1933, he became chancellor of Germany, and in 1941 his army invaded the Soviet Union with the aim of destroying Soviet communism.

Ayhoo there's plenty to think about there and mnay threads on these issues


Wildthang, this is proof you are a shit for brains raving lunatic, compare your Post Count with mine. :rolleyes:

I am Anti-NAZI, not Anti-German, I have many German Friends, I do business with Dusseldorf and Berlin, You are overly sensitive because you are a NAZI, yes you Post Michael Hoffman and Lew Rockwell, known NAZIs.

Stop being a NAZI apologist like Ladybird.

Jewish Bolshevism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The label "Judeo-Bolshevism" was used in Nazi Germany to equate Jews with communists, implying that the communist movement served Jewish interests and/or that all Jews were communists.[4] According to Hannah Arendt, it was "the most efficient fiction of Nazi Propaganda".[5] In Poland before World War II, Żydokomuna was used in the same way to allege that the Jews were conspiring with the USSR to capture Poland. According to André Gerrits, "The myth of Jewish Communism was one of the most popular and widespread political prejudices in the first half of the 20th century, in Eastern Europe in particular."[6] The allegation still sees use in antisemitic publications and websites today.

Asshole :rolleyes:

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

This post tells so much about you.

Instead of answering the question as to why the rabbi above is sucking blood from a baby boys penis ? - you reply with a childish vulgar personal attack. What age are you 12 ?

Your personal attack without reason tells me precisely why

I did answer, I don't know. They are Ultra-Orthodox and not mainstream. I am not Jewish. OK?
Anyhoooo..........I Posted my request before you, grow a Sack and answer. :)

The essence of Orthodox Judaism.

waiting............................:cool:

So0 many trendy zombie parrots.so little time..alas..........

[dollanaqua]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vDhuCDsIMc0/S9cxuvTEdLI/AAAAAAAAAJo/ColwhRg60_8/s400/mohel-rabbi-yosef-weisburg-sucking-baby-penis.jpg

Rabbi Yosef Weinberg sucking blood from circumcised baby's penis.
Let's keep in mind you are a mental midget, malinformed, bigoted and hateful so your musings are worth shit. :rolleyes:

You're mentally/Emotionally retarded and you are retarding human evolution and progress, you too ladybird.

And my requested opinion of the pic you Posted. Who cares, what do I know, I want your opinion on the Essence of Orthodox Judaism which neither of you bigots have the moral courage to engage.

This post and those above tell so much about you snoopy.

Instead of answering the question as to why the rabbi above is sucking blood from a baby boys penis ? - you reply with a childish vulgar personal attack.

I don't have an opinion on "the essence of Orthodox Judaism" fool hence the reason i didn't engage you.

Your vulgarity also tells me why your rabbi friend is sucking the baby boys penis. You indeed 'are' of "The Synagogue of Satan"

Unfortunately for you and your fellow Satanists - your time 'really' is short now.

[ladybird]

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I suppose this conversation is a bit unfair - adult man vs stubborn child ...

But on the other hand ... he is begging for spanking :cool:

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[dollanaqua]

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I suppose this conversation is a bit unfair - adult man vs stubborn child ...

But on the other hand ... he is begging for spanking :cool:

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He - snoopy - really is quite amusing isn't he ?

He is actually attempting to 'order' me to answer a question. :D

He is 'programmed' to believe that he is superior - so little does he really know about 'i', but more importantly he doesn't know himself or what he is fated to become - nothing. ;)

[ladybird]

He - snoopy - really is quite amusing isn't he ?

He is actually attempting to 'order' me to answer a question. :D

He is 'programmed' to believe that he is superior - so little does he really know about 'i', but more importantly he doesn't know himself or what he is fated to become - nothing. ;)

Fatherless boys ....

There are not many real men around these days who are able to teach the male offspring.

Very sad.

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[biblegirl]

I am interested in discovering more about those doctrines.

Can you expand on the above in 100 words or less please ? :)



Essentially, white colored people, specifically with German European ancestry, are the master race, which God ordained to be Israel, his chosen. They are the offspring of white Adam and white Eve. In addition to Adam and Eve being on the earth, there were also "mud people" who were not humans created in the image of God, like white Adam and white Eve were. The offspring of the mud people are blacks. Then Eve and Satan had an affair. So their offspring are the Jews, or spawns of Satan. It's up to God's chosen master white race to populate the planet with their offspring while keeping the mud people and Jews from populating with their evil offspring.

Lol.

I have no problem with you being part-Jewish, so long as you don't condone Palestinians being expelled from their own land then herded into concentration camps by usurpers and tyrants.


Um, thanks? I didn't even know I was Jewish until 2 years ago when I contacted my dad. My brother was rejected from the Sons of Israel opportunity because he said he was a Christian. You can only get the free trip and stay in Israel if you are atheist (able to converted) or orthodox Jew. No Christians though. Like I had anything to do with Palastinians being expelled from their homes :rolleyes:. I'm thousands of miles away. And so are the Britains. Which is why I can't figure out why they have this massive attitude against the Jews. Hence this thread.

What I DO have an issue with is innocent people being attacked for no good reason, this racism...and the genocide that results from it. Whether these innocent are Palastenians or Jews or Native Americans or Mexicans or Muslims is irrelevant to me. It bothers me to see people on this board dead set against one race for a reason that is yet unclear (spiritual?). Like I said, I don't go into the Jew threads. I don't know what ADL or any of those things are. But this anti-Jew attitude spreads all over the forum, in the health and chemtrails and 911 sections too. These are not Palestinian forum members, they are in US or UK or other places. So that's why I want to know in their own words, what's so bad about Israel and Jews. Maybe THEY don't even know, and are just repeating what they have heard.

[dollanaqua]

Essentially, white colored people, specifically with German European ancestry, are the master race, which God ordained to be Israel, his chosen. They are the offspring of white Adam and white Eve. In addition to Adam and Eve being on the earth, there were also "mud people" who were not humans created in the image of God, like white Adam and white Eve were. The offspring of the mud people are blacks. Then Eve and Satan had an affair. So their offspring are the Jews, or spawns of Satan. It's up to God's chosen master white race to populate the planet with their offspring while keeping the mud people and Jews from populating with their evil offspring.
Lol.

Um, thanks? I didn't even know I was Jewish until 2 years ago when I contacted my dad. My brother was rejected from the Sons of Israel opportunity because he said he was a Christian. You can only get the free trip and stay in Israel if you are atheist (able to converted) or orthodox Jew. No Christians though. Like I had anything to do with Palastinians being expelled from their homes :rolleyes:. I'm thousands of miles away. And so are the Britains. Which is why I can't figure out why they have this massive attitude against the Jews. Hence this thread.

What I DO have an issue with is innocent people being attacked for no good reason, this racism...and the genocide that results from it. Whether these innocent are Palastenians or Jews or Native Americans or Mexicans or Muslims is irrelevant to me. It bothers me to see people on this board dead set against one race for a reason that is yet unclear (spiritual?). Like I said, I don't go into the Jew threads. I don't know what ADL or any of those things are. But this anti-Jew attitude spreads all over the forum, in the health and chemtrails and 911 sections too. These are not Palestinian forum members, they are in US or UK or other places. So that's why I want to know in their own words, what's so bad about Israel and Jews. Maybe THEY don't even know, and are just repeating what they have heard.

I appreciate you taking the time to respond biblegirl.

The white supremacists sound to me as though they are on the same level of spirituality and insanity as snoopy above ;)

I think you misunderstood me when i said that i have no problem at all with any Jews so long as they do not "condone" the Israeli behaviour...

Condone means "approve of" as well as many other things, i was meaning in the "approve of" context only.

You obviously do not know that Britain once ruled Palestine or you would understand why many British people have an issue with what Israel are doing and what they have been doing since 'The Modern State of Israel' came into existence.

Also, many British people, many civilians as well as soldiers were murdered by Jewish terrorists a few decades ago, blowing up hotels, assassinations, etc, etc - many of those same terrorists later became Israeli leaders including prime ministers ! Perhaps this will help you understand. When i call people terrorists, i do not do it off the cuff - i do so because they literally are terrorists in every sense of the word.

If you go here - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059462730&postcount=48 you will find a list of those terrorist atrocities.

This is still an ongoing saga in Britain - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

They literally celebrate there acts

I hope this helps.

[biblegirl]

You obviously do not know that Britain once ruled Palestine or you would understand why many British people have an issue with what Israel are doing and what they have been doing since 'The Modern State of Israel' came into existence.

Also, many British people, many civilians as well as soldiers were murdered by Jewish terrorists a few decades ago, blowing up hotels, assassinations, etc, etc - many of those same terrorists later became Israeli leaders including prime ministers ! Perhaps this will help you understand. When i call people terrorists, i do not do it off the cuff - i do so because they literally are terrorists in every sense of the word.

Hmm! Well, that just made a whole lot more sense. Never heard of any of this. If Palestine was under British rule then I would say it's a good thing that they got out of it. What the heck was Britain doing there? Neither UK nor US has any business in that area. It's just got some ancient sacred ties so everyone wants it IMO. Do the English think they are the ones who should have rights to Palestine because of this? That would make the story much more juicy lol. Britain goes in and wrongfully takes over Palestine. But when the "Jews" do the same thing, the British get mad at the Jews. I get it. Maybe :D.

Edited to add: Obviously bombings and murder are not cool. Surely you can't blame an entire race for what a few activists did though.

[dollanaqua]

Hmm! Well, that just made a whole lot more sense. Never heard of any of this. If Palestine was under British rule then I would say it's a good thing that they got out of it. What the heck was Britain doing there? Neither UK nor US has any business in that area. It's just got some ancient sacred ties so everyone wants it IMO. Do the English think they are the ones who should have rights to Palestine because of this? That would make the story much more juicy lol. Britain goes in and wrongfully takes over Palestine. But when the "Jews" do the same thing, the British get mad at the Jews. I get it. Maybe :D.

Britain ended up there due to the Zionists who started both World War 1 & 2 and who are presently attempting to start World War 3.

Very very long story - i am just about to go to bed, but if you would like to know a little more on this just leave a reply and i will return to it tomorrow at some point ;)

P.S. There were only '60,000' - sixty thousand Jews in Palestine - before World 1, all were there legitimately; and there was no problem between Arabs and Jews, they lived together peacefully.

[malkor]

interesting consideration. the bible predicted israel would be invaded by gog and magod and here we are, israel occupied by foreigners from the north.

these invaders brought their foreign religion ("judaism") with them and imposed it on the land of israel which was never jewish in its entire history.

also to shatter a couple of myths being perpetuated by snoops... israel was also never monotheistic. neither is christianity.

[kasalt]

The Jews have an Historical/Theological and Moral right to the less then 1% of the Landmass of the Near East they claim and occupy.

Surely the native population of Palestine has at least as much right to their ancestral homeland as anyone else.

New DNA showing Palestinians as the original Hebrews - YouTube

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

I did answer, I don't know. They are Ultra-Orthodox and not mainstream. I am not Jewish. OK?
Anyhoooo..........I Posted my request before you, grow a Sack and answer. :)

The essence of Orthodox Judaism.

waiting............................:cool:

So0 many trendy zombie parrots.so little time..alas..........

This post and those above tell so much about you snoopy.

Instead of answering the question as to why the rabbi above is sucking blood from a baby boys penis ? - you reply with a childish vulgar personal attack.

I don't have an opinion on "the essence of Orthodox Judaism" fool hence the reason i didn't engage you.

Your vulgarity also tells me why your rabbi friend is sucking the baby boys penis. You indeed 'are' of "The Synagogue of Satan"
Unfortunately for you and your fellow Satanists - your time 'really' is short now.


Actually, your Posts inform the public you are an ignorant, racist Bigot.

I provided you with the Orthodox Judaic Essence, all you had to do was read and analyse. Why do you hate Jews? :confused:

Because you prefer lies.

I am not Jewish. And the remark 'The Synagogue of Satan' was directed to a few abusive Pharisees,not the Jews in general, because Yahshua haMessiah/Jesus is a Torah Conscious observant Jew who preached in Synagogues. You just revealed your hand. ;)

You're musing that the Jews might nuke themselves also proves what an ignorant fool you are.

Here, get clued up before it's too late. And I'm still awaiting your commentary on the Essence of Orthodox judaism. :)


Jesus And The Jewish Nation
G. B. Caird
M.A., D.Phil., Hon.D.D.

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/emwl/jesus_caird.pdf


JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

I'm dealing with a murder trial right now in NY cocerning peeps just like we have here in this Thread who murdered a Jewish child and for their defense they have been spouting all the bullshit propaganda that is being spouted here to justify their crime, which will imprison them for decades.

I feel sorry for you and your ilk that you are so non-discerning and lap up low grade propaganda that 'fits' your distorted Worldview.

Your hatred and bias is grounded on Bullshit and if you act out on it, it will certainly bite you in the ass and ruin your life. for nothing.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! waiting......................

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Surely the native population of Palestine has at least as much right to their ancestral homeland as anyone else.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6aCp2pB0Sc

Only thing is, it is not their 'Ancestral Homeland'. For many years the Arabs lived peacefully with the Jews and enjoyed a higher standard of living then in the arab states.

South Africa is not a model for Israel
http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000620.htm

Security Fence or Apartheid Wall?

http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000077.htm


Who Owns Jerusalem?
http://ldolphin.org/psalm2.html

Apartheid? Israel is a democracy in which Arabs vote
http://www.mideastweb.org/israel_apartheid.htm


Addendum B: The Sanctity of Jerusalem to the Jewish People

An Address by SHAYKH PROF. ABDUL HADI PALAZZI

Any discussion of the problem of sovereignty over Jerusalem necessarily means involvement in a kind of investigation that has political, cultural, psychological and religious implications.

For a Jew or a Muslim, religious or secular, thinking of Jerusalem means to feel reason and sentiment mingled together.

In this paper I do not want to enter into specific features directly connected with politics but, as a Muslim scholar and a man of religion, only to try and determine whether, from an Islamic point of view, there is some well-grounded theological reason that makes it impossible for Muslims to accept the idea of recognizing Jerusalem both as an Islamic holy place and as the capital of the State of Israel.

First, I would like to underline that the idea of considering Jewish immigration to Eretz Israel as a western "invasion" and Zionists as new "colonizers" is very recent and has no relation to the basic features of Islamic faith.

According to the Qur'an, no person, people or religious community can claim a permanent right of possession over a certain territory, since the earth belongs exclusively to God, Who is free to entrust sovereign right to everyone He likes and for as long as He likes:

"Say: 'O God, King of the kingdom, Thou givest the kingdom to whom Thou pleasest, and Thou strippest off the kingdom from whom Thou pleasest; Thou endurest with honour whom Thou pleasest, and Thou bringest low whom Thou pleasest; all the best is in Thy hand. Verily, Thou hast power over all things". [Qur'an, Sura 3:26, "The Imrans"]

From this verse one can deduce a basic principle of the monotheistic philosophy of history: God can choose as He likes as to relationships between peoples and countries; sometimes He gives a land to a people, and sometime He takes His possession back and gives it to another people.

In general terms, one might say that He gives as a reward for obedience and takes back as a punishment for wickedness, but this rule does not permit us to say that God's ways are always plain and clear to our understanding.

The idea of Islam as a factor that prevents Arabs from recognizing any sovereign right of Jews over Palestine is quite recent and can by no means be found in Islamic classical sources. To see anti-Zionism as a direct consequence of Islam is a form of explicit misunderstanding which implies the transformation of Islam from a religion into a secularized ideology.

This was originally done by the late Mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husseini, who was responsible for most of the Arab defeats and during World War II collaborated with Adolf Hitler.

Later, Jamal el-Din Abd el-Nasser based his policy on Pan-Arabism, hate for the Jews and alliance with the Soviet Union. All these doctrines were the real cause of Arab backwardness, and most of Nasser's mistakes were afterwards corrected by the martyr Anwar Sadat.

After the defeat of Nasserism, the fundamentalist movements made anti-Zionism an outstanding part of their propaganda, trying to describe the so-called "fight for liberation of Palestine" as rooted in Islamic tradition and derived from religious principles.

This plan for the ideologization of Islam as an instrument of political struggle nevertheless encounters a significant obstacle, since both Qur'an and Torah indicate quite clearly that the link between the Children of Israel and the Land of Canaan does not depend on any kind of colonization project but directly on the will of God Almighty.

As we learn from Jewish and Islamic Scriptures, God, through His chosen servant Moses, decided to free the offspring of Jacob from slavery in Egypt and to make them the inheritors of the Promised Land. Whoever claims that Jewish sovereignty over Palestine is something recent and dependent on political machinations is in fact denying the history of revelation and prophecy, as well as the clear teaching of the Holy Books.........................Moreoever -- and fundamentalists always forget this point -- the Holy Qur'an quite openly refers to the reinstatement of the Jews in the Land before the Last Judgment, where it says:

"And thereafter We said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land'. And when the last warning will come to pass, We will gather you together in a mingled crowd". [Qur'an, Sura 17:104, "The Night Journey"]............................We know that Roman Catholics consider Rome their own capital, and the fact that city has the largest mosque in Europe and an ancient Jewish community does not alter its role as the center of Catholicism.

Even more can be said of Mecca: it is the main religious center for Muslims the world over and is completely under Islamic administration.

Respecting this principle of fair-mindedness, we necessarily conclude that the Israelis as a nation and the Jews as a religion must have their own political and ethnic capital, under their sole administration, even though it contains certain places regarded as sacred by the other two Abrahamic faiths.

To my mind, this is the only realistic ground for any discussion of the future of the Holy City. The other parties must understand that Jews will never agree to have less rights than the other religions, and that Israelis will never agree to see David's City divided into two parts.


WHOSE JERUSALEM IS IT?

Years that Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish People: (3, 000).

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Hebrew bible: (657).

City to which all Jews are required to make pilgrimage: (Jerusalem).

Years that Jerusalem has been the capital of any Muslim or Arab people: (0).

Number of times Jerusalem is mentioned in the Koran: (0).

City to which all Muslims are enjoined to make pilgrimage: (Mecca).

Family considered the Guardian of Muslim Holy Places: the Al-Saudis, Rulers of Saudi Arabia. Number of times leading members of this family prayed at Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem when Jordan controlled the city: (0).

Number of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter at the time of Jordanian conquest in 1948: (58).

Number of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter destroyed or desecrated by the Jordanians: (58).

Nationality of officers who led the Arab Legion in seizing the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem in 1948 and forcing all the Jews out: (British).

Arab regime that prohibited Christians from acquiring property in East Jerusalem, compelled Christians to close schools and businesses on Muslim holidays, and to include Muslim teachings in Christian schools, and constructed mosques next to churches to prevent Christian expansion: (Jordan 1948-1967)

Number of Christians in East Jerusalem in 1948 when Jordan seized control: (25,000).

Number of Christians in East Jerusalem at the end of Jordanian rule in 1967.(10,800).

Muslim population of Jerusalem in 1922: 13,413; 1994:145,000. Christian population in 1922.- 14,699; and 1994: 15,000.

Jewish population of Jerusalem in 1922.- 33,971; and 1994.- 406,000.

Number of trees planted by Israel in and around Jerusalem in recent decades: 11 million.

Number of acres transformed into "green belt" at parks in and around Jerusalem: nearly 9,000.

Religious Jews throughout the world recite their prayers 3 times a day while facing toward Jerusalem.

Muslims throughout the world, when they recite their prayers, face toward Mecca.


The Muslim Claim to Jerusalem
http://www.meforum.org/490/the-muslim-claim-to-jerusalem

Conclusion

Politics, not religious sensibility, has fueled the Muslim attachment to Jerusalem for nearly fourteen centuries; what the historian Bernard Wasserstein has written about the growth of Muslim feeling in the course of the Countercrusade applies through the centuries: "often in the history of Jerusalem, heightened religious fervour may be explained in large part by political necessity."104 This pattern has three main implications. First, Jerusalem will never be more than a secondary city for Muslims; "belief in the sanctity of Jerusalem," Sivan rightly concludes, "cannot be said to have been widely diffused nor deeply rooted in Islam."105 Second, the Muslim interest lies not so much in controlling Jerusalem as it does in denying control over the city to anyone else. Third, the Islamic connection to the city is weaker than the Jewish one because it arises as much from transitory and mundane considerations as from the immutable claims of faith.


Wouldn't really be a big deal except alot of innocent lives hang in the Balance.

The Jews want to live in peace in their own Ancestral homeland.

[stelios]

Neither are the Jewish citizens of Israel responsible for what is going on in Palestine.

Kid i do get what you are trying to say.
But surely Jews who left their comfortable homes in Britain and France and America and South Africa and moved to Palestine created the problem?
90% of the world's Jews have chosen not to live in Israel. That to me speaks volumes. But the minority who have gone there are indeed the problem.

I was banned from this forum before for expressing my views about Israel so i am going to bite my lip for now.

[stelios]

Actually, your Posts inform the public you are an ignorant, racist Bigot.

Anyone who talks sense gets called a racist.
But Jews are not a race they are simply followers of a religion.
There are black Jews, indian Jews, etc

http://djblackadam.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451d28b69e20105359796b5970c-800wi


Even Jews get called anti semites

http://www.youtube.com/v/3dSHl3C9kgY
www.youtube.com/v/3dSHl3C9kgY

Video of a jew explaining why he hates Jews
Enjoy:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOhhsZF--d0&NR=1

[stelios]

I am not Jewish.

And the remark 'The Synagogue of Satan' was directed to a few abusive Pharisees,not the Jews in general

You might not be Jewish but you are a beliver in the Zionist ideology which makes you EXACTLY the kind of evil that is todays problem.
Many Zionists are not Jews.

Jesus was not a Jew by the way, he rejected Judaism and was branded a heretic by the Rabbis who ordered his arrest and execution.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

You might not be Jewish but you are a beliver in the Zionist ideology which makes you EXACTLY the kind of evil that is todays problem.
Many Zionists are not Jews.

Jesus was not a Jew by the way, he rejected Judaism and was branded a heretic by the Rabbis who ordered his arrest and execution.


That is 1,000% Bullshit.

You don't know who Jesus is and you don't know what Zionism is. I just Posted relevant links, check them out.

I am fighting evil and evil doesn't like it.

Your Post proves you are misinformed and it is not a matter of opinion.

Jesus And The Jewish Nation
G. B. Caird
M.A., D.Phil., Hon.D.D.

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pd...esus_caird.pdf


JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm


Jesus as Rabbi in the Fourth Gospel
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/rabbi_kostenberger.pdf

Ahoy!!!!!! Stelios: Jesus Name is actually Yahshua=Yah Helps/Saves.


Chapter 1:

I N T R O D U C T I O N
Theology and Race

http://press.princeton.edu/chapters/i8820.pdf


Quote:
AT NOON ON SATURDAY, MAY 6, 1939, a group of Protestant theologians, pastors, and churchgoers gathered at the historic Wartburg Castle, resonant with Lutheran and nationalist significance, to celebrate the official opening of the Institute for the Study and Eradication of Jewish Influence on German Church Life (Institut zur Erforschung und Beseitigung des jüdischen Einfl usses auf das deutsche kirchliche Leben). The Institute’s goals were both political and theological. Seeking to create a dejudaized church for a Germany that was in the process of ridding Europe of all Jews, it developed new biblical interpretations and liturgical materials. In the six years of its existence, as the Nazi regime carried out its genocide of the Jews, the Institute redefi ned Christianity as a Germanic religion whose founder, Jesus, was no Jew but rather had fought valiantly to destroy Judaism, falling as victim to that struggle. Germans were now called upon to be the victors in Jesus’s own struggle against the Jews, who were said to be seeking Germany’s destruction.
On the theological level, the Institute achieved remarkable success, winning support for its radical agenda from a host of church officials and theology professors who welcomed the removal of Jewish elements from Christian scripture and liturgy and the redefi nition of Christianity as a Germanic, Aryan religion. Members of the Institute worked devotedly, as did so many others in the Reich, to win the fight against the Jews. Their devotion took them to greater and greater extremes, abandoning traditional Christian doctrine in exchange for coalitions with neo-pagan leaders, and producing vituperative propaganda on behalf of the Reich’s measures against the Jews. “Aryan,” for them, meant not simply a physical or biological body type, but much more an inner spirit that was simultaneously of great power and also profoundly vulnerable and in need of protection from the degeneracy threatened by non-Aryans, particularly Jews. In Nazi Germany, racial hygiene was the field to learn how to protect the body housing the Aryan spirit; the Institute’s theology attended directly to caring for that spirit.

South Africa is not a model for Israel http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000620.htm

Security Fence or Apartheid Wall?
http://www.mideastweb.org/log/archives/00000077.htm


Apartheid? Israel is a democracy in which Arabs vote
http://www.mideastweb.org/israel_apartheid.htm


Zionism
Zionism & Israel Information Center
http://www.zionism-israel.com/

http://zionism-israel.com/zionism_history.htm

A legitimate Biblical Theology.

Consider this, the Euro-Trash for millenia hectored and persecuted the Jews because they wouldn't convert to Christianity culminating in the Shoa, so the remaining Jews legitimately petitioned and worked within the System to reclaim Israel.

At the same time the Ottoman Empire was expiring and the British Mandate was expiring, against all odds the Jews returned and had to Fight to remain.

did you miss the link about the NAZI inspired hectoring of the Jews by the Grand Mufti?

Israel is as Legitimate as any other Nation on earth and moreso then some.


A great examination of this is:

For the Sake of Heaven and Earth, by Irving (Yitz) Greenberg)
Jewish Publication Society

http://books.kolel.org/2009/01/for-sake-of-heaven-and-earth-by-irving.html

Orthodox Rabbi.PhD from Harvard. very serious, no BS, I spent 50 days with this 200 page Book!


And as a Bonus, a Theological examination of Tsiyon/Zion

http://www.mashiyach.com/kingdom/kingdom.htm

[metacomet]

...

Like I had anything to do with Palastinians being expelled from their homes :rolleyes:. I'm thousands of miles away. And so are the Britains. Which is why I can't figure out why they have this massive attitude against the Jews. Hence this thread.

Understandable. I notice what seems to be a general attitude from the UK that arabs are rodents infiltrating their country or something. The same attitude is held in the states regarding Mexican immigrants... it's pretty bad.

In the states we are not neighboring these nations of people so we might be harder to sell on the idea of "they're out to get us".

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

interesting consideration. the bible predicted israel would be invaded by gog and magod and here we are, israel occupied by foreigners from the north.

these invaders brought their foreign religion ("judaism") with them and imposed it on the land of israel which was never jewish in its entire history.

also to shatter a couple of myths being perpetuated by snoops... israel was also never monotheistic. neither is christianity.

I'll call: Bullshit on that.

Let's see some quality evidence.

THE DIVINE COUNCIL . COM

http://www.thedivinecouncil.com/

The Christian and Other Religions: the Biblical Evidence
http://www.theologicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/religions_wright.pdf


JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm


Someday you will understand thisDeuteronomy
6:4 Hear, O Israel: Yahweh is our Elohim, Yahweh is one:

Matthew
22:36 Rabbi, which is the great commandment in the law?

22:37 Yahshua said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

I guess the Evil and the Bullshit isa so entrenched around here it will never end, thus are the Children of Darkness, calling good evil and evil good.


Jeffrey Burton Russell
Professor of History, Emeritus

University of California
Santa Barbara http://www.veritas-ucsb.org/library/russell/home.html

http://www.ntwrightpage.com/

If I've been Bullshitted, I'm in good company with hundreds, thousands of PhD Historians, Linguists, Archaeologists. :rolleyes:

Let's see what you got malkor. And what is your analysis of the Essence of Orthodox Judaism? :confused:

Anybody?? :confused:

[biblegirl]

This is still an ongoing saga in Britain - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article690085.ece

They literally celebrate there acts


maybe staged like 9/11 and other fake terrorist attacks to keep the Jew hating going:

The original wording:

The Hotel housed the Mandate Secretariat as well as the Army Headquarters. On July 1946 (sic) Irgun fighters at the order of the Hebrew Resistance Movement planted explosives in the basement. Warning phone calls had been made urging the hotel’s occupants to leave immediately. For reasons known only to the British the hotel was not evacuated and after 25 minutes the bombs exploded, and to the Irgun’s regret and dismay 91 persons were killed.

we have faked terrorist stuff here in the US to turn the American people against Muslims and Arabs, and of course to support a corrupt war...do you suppose this may have been what happened with the hotel bombing?

[metacomet]

I love how the OP requests people provide their own arguments for things instead of resorting to pasting links and...

nevermind.

[bendoon]

The Jews of 2000 years ago from the Jewish Encyclopedia.

Edom is mentioned in the cuneiform inscriptions in the form "Udumi" (u); three of its kings are known from the same source: Ḳaus-malaka at the time of Tiglath-pileser (c. 745), Malik-rammu at the time of Sennacherib (c. 705), and Ḳaus-gabri at the time of Esarhaddon (c. 680). According to the Egyptian inscriptions, the "aduma" at times extended their possessions down as far as the borders of Egypt (Müller, "Asien und Europa," p. 135). After the conquest of Judah by the Babylonians, the Edomites were allowed to settle in southern Palestine. At the same time they were driven by the Nabatæans from Idumea. In southern Palestine they prospered for more than four centuries. Judas Maccabeus conquered their territory for a time (B.C. 163; "Ant." xii. 8, §§ 1, 6). They were again subdued by John Hyrcanus (c. 125 B.C.), by whom they were forced to observe Jewish rites and laws (ib. xiii. 9, § 1; xiv. 4, § 4). They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation, and their country was called by the Greeks and Romans "Idumea" (Mark iii. 8; Ptolemy, "Geography," v. 16). With Antipater began the Idumean dynasty that ruled over Judea till its conquest by the Romans. Immediately before the siege of Jerusalem 20,000 Idumeans, under the leadership of John, Simeon, Phinehas, and Jacob, appeared before Jerusalem to fight in behalf of the Zealots who were besieged in the Temple (Josephus, "B. J." iv. 4, § 5).

From this time the Idumeans ceased to be a separate people, though the name "Idumea" still existed the time of Jerome.



Edomites = Idumeans

What does the Bible say about the Edomites ?

<< Obadiah 1 >>
King James Version
1The vision of Obadiah. Thus saith the Lord GOD concerning Edom; We have heard a rumour from the LORD, and an ambassador is sent among the heathen, Arise ye, and let us rise up against her in battle.

2Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.



18And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken it.



Yes they do get brought to justice for all the crimes they have committed.

[biblegirl]

from snoops:
Jew & Jewish - Definitions
Who is a Jew?
A Jew is a member of the Jewish religion, ethnic group or people. Different Jews define themselves differently and "Jew" has been defined differently by non-Jews as well. Jews are descendants of the original inhabitants of the land of Israel or Palestine, and of people who converted to Judaism and became part of the Jewish people. Not all Jews are religious. Some are atheists or agnostics. Israel has one of the highest percentages of atheists in the world. Some people defined as Jews by Israeli law are members of the Christian faith according to religious law. For more information about "who is a Jew" click here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew


Well NO WONDER we are having such issues defining the problem, with a wishy washy non-answer like this!! :rolleyes: Good grief!

[vegan_on_the_land]

I contend that anyone who doesn't practise the Jewish faith is not Jewish. I was born into a Catholic family, was baptised as a Catholic, learnt the secret handshakes and passwords, went to Catholic schools, was confirmed into the Catholic church but am not now a Catholic. Therefore, I am not a Catholic.

There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Just look at the supposed Jews, they all look different. Jewishness is often just having what is considered to be a Jewish name. It is usually a German or other middle European name that was reserved for Jews. Or what non-Jews thought were Jews.

Remember, we are all from Africa.

[biblegirl]

Anyone who talks sense gets called a racist.
But Jews are not a race they are simply followers of a religion.
There are black Jews, indian Jews, etc


Thank you Stelios, there are many different understandings of what a Jew is though, which is why debates on this topic get so dang sloppy. We might all be talking about different people :D. The first replies I got on this thread were complaining against Zionists, then ES came in and complained about Judaism, we talked about "real Jews" "fake Jews" "spiritual Jews" etc. This subject is a doozy...

[biblegirl]

I contend that anyone who doesn't practise the Jewish faith is not Jewish. I was born into a Catholic family, was baptised as a Catholic, learnt the secret handshakes and passwords, went to Catholic schools, was confirmed into the Catholic church but am not now a Catholic. Therefore, I am not a Catholic.

There is no such thing as a Jewish race. Just look at the supposed Jews, they all look different. Jewishness is often just having what is considered to be a Jewish name. It is usually a German or other middle European name that was reserved for Jews. Or what non-Jews thought were Jews.

Remember, we are all from Africa.

Haha, such is my frustration. Thank you for posting, condensing the definition of a Jew to religious practice sure would make life easier :).

[vegan_on_the_land]

Haha, such is my frustration. Thank you for posting, condensing the definition of a Jew to religious practice sure would make life easier :).

Oops! I shouldn't have mentioned the secret handshakes and passwords. We are not supposed to tell Heathens that. No, really, we don't have passwords and handshakes. Just forget I said anything about them.

[lizard_monkey]

Brotherhoods and Secret Societies

[malkor]

requires some corrections and comments.


WHOSE JERUSALEM IS IT?
[LIST=1]
Years that Jerusalem has been the capital of the Jewish People: (3, 000).

it was the capital of israel for about 70 years until the jews revolted. it then became the capital of judah for about 344 years. it has since been under the authority of a variety of foreign occupiers. the judeans were never able to reclaim their ancient capital as an independent nation and after so long, they really don't have any legal ownership of it.



Years that Jerusalem has been the capital of any Muslim or Arab people: (0).

that's irrelevant. there are many judean muslims. they are called palestinians. most of the palestinians are descendants of the people that have lived there since roman times who have converted to islam and speak the now dominant language of the region, arabic.
they have been under continuous occupation. most recently, they are occupied by foreign invaders from the north who call themselves "jews" and now occupy lands that the historical jews never owned (israel).


The Jews want to live in peace in their own Ancestral homeland.

say that would be nice. except that they are not in their ancestral homeland. if they are really judeans (highly doubtful), their ancestral homeland, judea would be in ... the west bank.

humm... that would explain why they are trying to kick all the palestinians out of there. now that would hardly constitute as wanting to "live in peace"

[boots]

So the Biggest Secret addresses this then? I'm assuming these ideas were published before Icke, so who started or exposed the real Jews, fake Jews, Zionist, etc. ideas?

Chapter 2 of the biggest secret relates to the reptilian theory. Quite interesting too.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/biggestsecret/biggestsecretbook/biggestsecret02.htm

What is the definition of a real Jew?

I have heard that the Rothschilds and their gang are actually "Edomites" but they are known as Jews, do they profess to be real Jews? Or have people traced their history and discovered they were Jews?

If a person is considered Anti-Semitic, are they racist against real Jews or fake Jews, and for what reason? When Mel Gibson was Hollywood blacklisted for his supposedly antisemitic rant, who was he talking about? The Rothschilds and Jewish Banking families? Or innocent everyday Jews who are going about their business? I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan. Therefore, Jews are bad. Does this factor into all the real-Jew-fake-Jew-anti-semitic-whatever views expressed on this board? Or is that something else entirely? Ever heard of "Spritual Israel"? The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land. If I'm the only person in the world who is confused by all this then my apologies, it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but your answers are helping to lay the groundwork at least. I hear that Jews are persecuted and despised on one hand, and on the other hand everyone is joining the "I want to be a Jew" club (where I'm from, anyway). Can you just become a Jew? Thank you to anyone who has had the patience to get this far.

See I have lots of questions :o.

The Rothschilds are an occult bloodline they were 'picked' to be the ones to control the banking system it doesn't matter if the were Ashkenazi jews or they were Anglo's They sort the power and they got it.

The Babylonian bloodline is imo and Icke's is where people should focus on instead of just the word JEWS. Icke states that clearly in his books.

But you will get the so called intellectuals who will try and justify the world is run by Jooo's, ask them to make a definition between Zionism and Judahism and they will but will soon go back to using the word..Joo's . Either these people are pig ignorant or they are doing it on purpose.

Anyone who doesn't think stormfront members are here, as well as the neo Nazi groups had better wake up to that fact and not get fooled by their sweet talk or twisting of history.


Religion= opiate for the masses.

I forget exactly who said this, I think it was John Lear, that the off world entities also see the middle east as a test case and if we can't get it right there then there is no way we will survive the next 100 years or so, the golden age of interstellar travel will just be a dream when it could be a reality.

.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

requires some corrections and comments.
it was the capital of israel for about 70 years until the jews revolted. it then became the capital of judah for about 344 years. it has since been under the authority of a variety of foreign occupiers. the judeans were never able to reclaim their ancient capital as an independent nation and after so long, they really don't have any legal ownership of it.

Totally Wrong, King David established Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel


that's irrelevant. there are many judean muslims. they are called palestinians.WRONG most of the palestinians are descendants of the people that have lived there since roman times who have converted to islam and speak the now dominant language of the region, arabic.WRONG
they have been under continuous occupation. most recently, they are occupied by foreign invaders from the north who call themselves "jews" and now occupy lands that the historical jews never owned (israel). WRONG

Belated Palestinian Nationalism
The reason why there was no agitation among Palestinians for
their own national identity prior to 1967 is perfectly clear. The concept
of Palestine as a nation and Palestinians as a separate people
did not exist among the Arabs of the Turkish provinces that became
British Mandatory Palestine after World War I. Despite the contorted,
forced, and contrived narratives of apologists for the Palestinian war
against Israel like Rashid Khalidi, Baruch Kimmerling and others,
there was never any state called Palestine, no country inhabited by
“Palestinians”, and before 1967 no concept of a separate political, cultural,
or linguistic entity representing a defined group that could be
identified by such an appellation.
In fact, the opposite is the case. Arab respondents to the UN’s
1947 inquiries argued that there never was, nor should there ever be,
a Palestine. The area under discussion they claimed was historically
part of southern Syria, and for centuries had been known as “balad
esh-sham” (the country of Damascus). In fact, at that time, the term
“Palestinian” was applied only to the Jews living in Mandatory
Palestine. The Arabs of the region were known as “Arabs”.


say that would be nice. except that they are not in their ancestral homeland. if they are really judeans (highly doubtful), their ancestral homeland, judea would be in ... the west bank.

humm... that would explain why they are trying to kick all the palestinians out of there. now that would hardly constitute as wanting to "live in peace"

Congratulations Malkor, everything you Posted was wrong and without any credentialed supporting evidence, unacceptable even by Nursery school Standards

In a March 31, 1977 interview with the Amsterdam-based
newspaper Dagblad de Verdieping Trouw, PLO executive committee
member Zahir Muhse’in said: “The Palestinian people does not exist.
8 Yasir Arafat in his authorized biography, “Arafat: Terrorist or Peace Maker”,
by Alan Hart, 1982
The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our
struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today
there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and
Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today
about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national
interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct ‘Palestinian
people’ to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a
sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and
Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa,
Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right
to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine
and Jordan.”
Even today, Syrian 5th Grade social studies textbooks show
“Greater Syria” as Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and Israel. There is no
nation called Palestine. The concept of “Palestinians” as Arabs living
for millennia in “historic Palestine” is a fiction created for the political
and military purposes described by Zahir Muhse’in. This latter
day frenzy of Palestinian agitations for national self-determination
is simply the faux mantle of respectability behind which genocidal
Arab terrorism can be perpetrated against Israel with the support of
international do-gooders and “idealists.”

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/biglies.pdf

In sum, Israel is the only known country in all of history to
come into existence via legal and beneficial land development (as
opposed to the almost universal method of conquest). Israel’s victory
in the 1948 war and in the 1967 war, in which it was the victim of
genocidal aggression, and the refusal of Arab nations to join it in peace
negotiations, give Israel the legal right to maintain its sovereignty over
its newly won territories, and to develop those territories in any manner
that is not prejudicial to the well-being of the indigenous civilians.
Had Arab leaders been amenable to peace with Israel, there could have
been a Palestinian state in 1937, and again in 1947, and again in 1949;
and there would never have been an Arab refugee problem. Had Arab
leadership in 1967 and again in 2000 been amenable to peace with
Israel, there would never have been a continued Israeli sovereignty
BIG LIES / 42 BIG LIES / 43
over the disputed territories of the West Bank and Gaza.
With this historical framework in place, one can understand the
real issues behind the controversy over Israeli settlements in the West
Bank and Gaza Strip and the legal status of the settlements.


Regarding territory conquered in a defensive action, the Charter
of the League of Nations (the same one which gave Britain the right to
establish a Mandatory Government over Palestine and which declared
that British Mandatory Palestine was to be the homeland of the Jewish
people) indicates that the disposition of such territory will be part of
the peace treaty between the warring parties. In the absence of such
a treaty, the disposition of these territories remains in dispute. Such
territories should be referred to as “disputed territories,” not “occupied
territories.” Their continued occupation by the defensive party is legal.
Since the wars in 1948 and 1967 were defensive, Israel’s occupation
of territories beyond the l947 partition boundaries and 1949 armistice
boundaries is completely legal. The Charter of the United Nations
accepts, and with no authority to change it, the Charter of the League
of Nations. So the League of Nations Charter is still international
law, and offers a congruent and rational balance to the 4th Geneva
Convention (i.e., the Charter describes the rights of a nation occupying
territory in a defensive action, and the Convention describes the
limitations placed upon a nation occupying territory in an offensive
action). Both are valid under international law.


Why Israel Is The Victim And The Arabs Are The Indefensible Aggressors In the Middle East

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/mid_east_conflict.htm

What was left of the original Palestine Mandate - between the west bank of the Jordan and the Mediterranean Sea - had been settled by Arabs and Jews. Jews, in fact, had lived in the area continuously for 3,700 years, even after the Romans destroyed their state in Judea in CE 70. Arabs became the dominant local population for the first time in the 7th Century CE as a result of the Muslim invasions. The Arabs were largely nomads who had no distinctive language or culture to separate them from other Arabs. In all the time since, they had made no attempt to create an independent Palestinian state west or east of the Jordan and none was ever established

9. Moral Distinctions

In assessing the Middle East impasse it is important to pay attention to the moral distinction revealed in the actions of the two combatants. When a deranged Jew goes into an Arab mosque and kills the worshippers (which happened once) he is acting alone and is universally condemned by the Israeli government and the Jews in Israel and everywhere, and he is punished to the full extent of Israeli law. But when a young Arab enters a disco filled with teenagers or a shopping mall or bus crowded with women and children and blows himself and innocent bystanders up (which happens frequently), he is someone who has been trained and sent by a component of the PLO or the Palestine Authority; he is officially praised as a hero by Yasser Arafat; his mother is given money by the Palestine Authority; and his Arab neighbors come to pay honor to the household for having produced a "martyr for Allah." The Palestinian liberation movement is the first such movement to elevate the killing of children - both the enemy's and its own - into a religious calling and a strategy of the cause.



It is not only the methods of the Palestine liberation movement that are morally repellent. The Palestinian cause is itself corrupt. The "Palestinian problem" is a problem created by the Arabs, and can only be solved by them. In Jordan, Palestinians already have a state in which they are a majority but which denies them self-determination. Why is Jordan not the object of the Palestinian "liberation" struggle? The only possible answer is because it is not ruled by Jews.



There is a famous "green line" marking the boundary between Israel and its Arab neighbors. That green line is also the bottom line for what is the real problem in the Middle East. It is green because plants are growing in the desert on the Israeli side but not on the Arab side. The Jews got a sliver of land without oil, and created abundant wealth and life in all its rich and diverse forms. The Arabs got nine times the acreage but all they have done with it is to sit on its aridity and nurture the poverty, resentments and hatreds of its inhabitants. Out of these dark elements they have created and perfected the most vile anti-human terrorism the world has ever seen: Suicide bombing of civilians. In fact, the Palestinians are a community of suicide bombers: they want the destruction of Israel more than they want a better life.



If a nation state is all the Palestinians desire, Jordan would be the solution. (So would settling for 95 percent of one's demands.) But the Palestinians also want to destroy Israel. This is morally hateful. It is the Nazi virus revived. Nonetheless, the Palestinian cause is generally supported by the international community, with the singular exception of the United States (and to a lesser degree Great Britain). It is precisely because the Palestinians want to destroy a state that Jews have created -- and because they are killing Jews -- that they enjoy international credibility and otherwise inexplicable support.

ISRAEL'S HISTORY AND RIGHT TO EXIST

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=38



Ahoy!!!!!!!! Malkor, since I provided this info yesterday, I must conclude you desire to remain willfully ignorant, hateful and bigoted.

You Aide and Abet the Terrorism of Hamas and Hizbollah.

Before you had the oppoetunity to claim 'innocent ignorance', continue on your Path and it is Willful Ignorance and you are an accomplice of Terror.

Get informed, and next time provide your sources.

Judaism is as equally valid as any beliefs you embrace, if not more so. See my prior Posts in this Thread, which none of the ignorant Bigots have engaged.

Israel is Legitimate/ Deal with it. :)

Ahoy!!!!!!! Biblegirl, sorry about my intrusion, but as I explained it is a matter of life and death. These are the same kind of mental midgets like Timothy McVeigh and we wind up with the bodies of Dead Babies because they think the ZOG is out to 'get them'.

I will start a Thread where I can educate them.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

[malkor]

it was the capital of israel for about 70 years until the jews revolted. it then became the capital of judah for about 344 years. it has since been under the authority of a variety of foreign occupiers. the judeans were never able to reclaim their ancient capital as an independent nation and after so long, they really don't have any legal ownership of it.

Totally Wrong, King David established Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel

not wrong at all. king david established jerusalem as the capitol of israel and that lasted for about 70 years as i said. read your history.



Congratulations Malkor, everything you Posted was wrong and without any credentialed supporting evidence, unacceptable even by Nursery school Standards


everything else is said is right as well. i don't need to post false jewish propaganda to support my arguments, anyone with a figment of ability to research history can verify them on their own.

hebrew roots of palestinians
Tsvi Misinai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

history of ancient israel and judah; continuous occupation... etc.
History of ancient Israel and Judah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.holybible.com/resources/KJV_DFND/index.php?Book=67&mode=2

that second one is a big read, but it's a primary source so you'll have to put your mind to it and get reading. don't skip any books.

[ladybird]

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Israel is a legal as is the FRG LTD and the existence of both is based on the HOLOCAUST and the NUREMBERG TRIBUNAL.


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[vancity eagle]

People need to distinguish the difference between Jews and Israelites.

Israelites are a race and are God's chosen people. The majority of Israelites will not return to Israel until Christ himself brings them there after judging all the nations, (This is prophecy throughout the OT and NT) therefore todays Israel is a FRAUD.

Jews are just people who converted to Judaism, and can be of any race.

The religion of the Israelites has been corrupted by the Pharisees (Talmud, Kabbalah)

Jews in Israel today mainly follow the Talmud rather than the Torah. They are not blood Israelites but converts, so they have no right to the land.

According to prophecy from Christ " Israel will be trodden by Gentiles until the time of gentiles is over "

The time of gentiles is over when Christ returns.

hope I made it clear for you.

[freeyourmindfreeyourself]

How about Murder and genocide. thats pretty bad:(

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

How about Murder and genocide. thats pretty bad:(

I agree, those Arabs have been Genocidal Maniacs. :( X infinity

http://yinvsyang.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/no_bullshit.jpg

http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/mom%20bomb%20w%20baby.jpg

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/uploads/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fHWUV5cUMtE/SyUP6MlpxnI/AAAAAAAAASI/2VlImLk7t3o/s400/child.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iRlvfwvIHbg/SWmGuwXs5II/AAAAAAAAARM/MFqsx-xsAvo/s400/hamas+suicide+bomber+cartoon.jpg

[biblegirl]

How about Murder and genocide. thats pretty bad:(

can you specify who you mean by this post please

[vancity eagle]

What is the definition of a real Jew?

Jew in the OT was a hebrew word for tribe of Judah, meaning a descendant of Judah

In the Greek NT the word was a slang for either
1. A non Roman person living in Judea
2. A person following the religion of the Israelites
3. A descendant of the tribe of Judah

I have heard that the Rothschilds and their gang are actually "Edomites" but they are known as Jews, do they profess to be real Jews? Or have people traced their history and discovered they were Jews?

Yes they are Edomites, the apocrypha tells us in 2Esdras 6:9 Edomites will rule the earth in the end times. They wish they were real Jews. Ezekial 36:5 tells us Edomites will possess the Holy Land in the last days. Rothschilds financed the current state of Israel.

If a person is considered Anti-Semitic, are they racist against real Jews or fake Jews, and for what reason? When Mel Gibson was Hollywood blacklisted for his supposedly antisemitic rant, who was he talking about? The Rothschilds and Jewish Banking families? Or innocent everyday Jews who are going about their business?

If a person is labeled anti-semitic it is because they critisize the fake Jews, this is done to hide the crimes of the Jewish/Edomite elite. Most people dont even know who the real Israelites are and the Bible tells us that they will be called curse names and be hated everywhere they inhabit.

I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan. Therefore, Jews are bad. Does this factor into all the real-Jew-fake-Jew-anti-semitic-whatever views expressed on this board? Or is that something else entirely?

There are what you would call Nephilim bloodlines which are descendants of fallen angels mixing with human blood creating wicked people. These people were located mainly in Canaan and are the people God told the Israelites to wipe out in the OT. Edomites are descended from these people, as Esau took Caananite wives. So your Edomite elite probably do have Satans blood in their veins. This does not mean that all "fake Jews" have Satans blood in their veins. Most "fake jews" are just brainwashed converts following the Edomite elite. I must also tell you that not all Edomites claim to be Jews. Probably all the Royal Families of Europe, the Pope etc. and the Saudi royal Kings are Edomites.

Ever heard of "Spritual Israel"? The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land. If I'm the only person in the world who is confused by all this then my apologies, it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but your answers are helping to lay the groundwork at least. I hear that Jews are persecuted and despised on one hand, and on the other hand everyone is joining the "I want to be a Jew" club (where I'm from, anyway). Can you just become a Jew? Thank you to anyone who has had the patience to get this far.

Spiritual Israel is just referring to Gentiles who follow the commandments. THEY DO NOT REPLACE BLOOD ISRAELITES BUT WILL ALSO JOIN THEM IN CHRISTS KINGDOM. Christians/Mormons etc. are not the new Jews, that is false doctrine. Mormons were created by Freemasons and is Satanic. Even Christianity today is nothing but Pagan corrupted teachings.

any takers?

hope that helps

[boots]

What is the definition of a real Jew?

Jew in the OT was a hebrew word for tribe of Judah, meaning a descendant of Judah

In the Greek NT the word was a slang for either
1. A non Roman person living in Judea
2. A person following the religion of the Israelites
3. A descendant of the tribe of Judah

I have heard that the Rothschilds and their gang are actually "Edomites" but they are known as Jews, do they profess to be real Jews? Or have people traced their history and discovered they were Jews?

Yes they are Edomites, the apocrypha tells us in 2Esdras 6:9 Edomites will rule the earth in the end times. They wish they were real Jews. Ezekial 36:5 tells us Edomites will possess the Holy Land in the last days. Rothschilds financed the current state of Israel.

If a person is considered Anti-Semitic, are they racist against real Jews or fake Jews, and for what reason? When Mel Gibson was Hollywood blacklisted for his supposedly antisemitic rant, who was he talking about? The Rothschilds and Jewish Banking families? Or innocent everyday Jews who are going about their business?

If a person is labeled anti-semitic it is because they critisize the fake Jews, this is done to hide the crimes of the Jewish/Edomite elite. Most people dont even know who the real Israelites are and the Bible tells us that they will be called curse names and be hated everywhere they inhabit.

I live in the Aryan Nations capital of the USA and I know a little about their doctrines, which includes that Jews are the offspring of Eve and Satan. Therefore, Jews are bad. Does this factor into all the real-Jew-fake-Jew-anti-semitic-whatever views expressed on this board? Or is that something else entirely?

There are what you would call Nephilim bloodlines which are descendants of fallen angels mixing with human blood creating wicked people. These people were located mainly in Canaan and are the people God told the Israelites to wipe out in the OT. Edomites are descended from these people, as Esau took Caananite wives. So your Edomite elite probably do have Satans blood in their veins. This does not mean that all "fake Jews" have Satans blood in their veins. Most "fake jews" are just brainwashed converts following the Edomite elite. I must also tell you that not all Edomites claim to be Jews. Probably all the Royal Families of Europe, the Pope etc. and the Saudi royal Kings are Edomites.

Ever heard of "Spritual Israel"? The Christians/Mormons/etc. who think that God finished his contract with the Jews, and started anew with them, so that they are the "true Jews" who will be returned to the holy land. If I'm the only person in the world who is confused by all this then my apologies, it doesn't make an ounce of sense to me but your answers are helping to lay the groundwork at least. I hear that Jews are persecuted and despised on one hand, and on the other hand everyone is joining the "I want to be a Jew" club (where I'm from, anyway). Can you just become a Jew? Thank you to anyone who has had the patience to get this far.

Spiritual Israel is just referring to Gentiles who follow the commandments. THEY DO NOT REPLACE BLOOD ISRAELITES BUT WILL ALSO JOIN THEM IN CHRISTS KINGDOM. Christians/Mormons etc. are not the new Jews, that is false doctrine. Mormons were created by Freemasons and is Satanic. Even Christianity today is nothing but Pagan corrupted teachings.

any takers?

hope that helps


Good post. +1

[malkor]

I agree, those Arabs have been Genocidal Maniacs. :( X infinity

have they? which nation of people have they wiped out?

the hebrews on the other hand have a history of genocidal acts. they're even proud of the fact and hail the war criminals responsible as national heroes. it's in their bible.

[ladybird]

at synod of middle eastern bishops, b’nai b’rith troubled by disconnect from vatican teachings on jews and israel

b’nai b’rith international is deeply concerned that the just-concluded special assembly for the middle east of the synod of bishops indicates unsettling views regarding jews and israel among catholic clergy and laity in the arab world.

B’nai b’rith is greatly disappointed that rather than promoting reconciliation and self-reflection in the region, the assembly focused on amplifying arab political positions and narratives on the jewish state.

While efforts had been made to encourage the assembly to meaningfully address challenges christians face in the middle east, israel was ultimately singled out for outsized and blunt opprobrium. The assembly failed to reflect papal celebration of jews’ return to their homeland and recognition of israel’s right to self-defense. It also neglected to acknowledge israel’s diverse democratic society and protection of christian life, in contrast with many of its arab neighbors.

Diverting from a responsible catholic approach, the polemical “kairos palestine” document was promoted on assembly sidelines by key arab catholic figures, one of whom even suggested the threat of a “one-state solution” to the conflict—the replacement of israel.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers_auto/bustros.jpg

most offensive, at a concluding press conference, the head of the assembly’s communiqué drafting committee asserted that a notion of jewish “chosenness” is an illegitimate basis for claims to the land of israel. Greek melkite archbishop cyrille salim bustros said: “the holy scriptures cannot be used to justify the return of jews to israel and the displacement of the palestinians, to justify the occupation…we christians cannot speak of the ‘promised land’ as an exclusive right for a privileged jewish people. this promise was nullified by christ. There is no longer a chosen people—all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people.” bustros’ regressive views negate jews’ covenant with god. These sentiments baselessly accuse israel of invoking spiritual distinctiveness as a foundation for government policy. On the contrary, israel has repeatedly offered to divide sacred lands, even in the face of violent, often religion-fueled, political rejectionism.

we urge pope benedict xvi—who is now considering the assembly’s conclusions—to restore a fair, constructive voice in the pursuit of peace in the middle east. It is particularly in the middle east that the church’s stated opposition to anti-zionism must be actively shared.

http://www.bnaibrith.org/latest_news/synod-102510.cfm

http://www.jewishjournal.com/jews_and_mormons/item/the_archbishop_jews_and_christian_zionists_3910102 6/


is ra el?

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[zsymon]

America is founded on the murdering of millions of Native Americans. Nobody sits
around crying about how evil America is for that fact.

Yes, they do..

[bendoon]

I agree, those Arabs have been Genocidal Maniacs. :( X infinity



It's fun posting pictures. :rolleyes:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/israeli-girl.jpg?w=481&h=360

[dollanaqua]

In reference to my post discussing the "King David Hotel bombing."

maybe staged like 9/11 and other fake terrorist attacks to keep the Jew hating going:

we have faked terrorist stuff here in the US to turn the American people against Muslims and Arabs, and of course to support a corrupt war...do you suppose this may have been what happened with the hotel bombing?

Biblegirl, i hadn't considered this before now and you could be onto something, definitely a difficult one to call.

The problem with your question is this - individuals belonging to the gang who took responsibility for the bombing later went on to become members of the government including prime ministers of 'The Modern State of Israel'.

Perhaps you should change your question to: "What's So Evil About the 'elected' Leaders of The Modern State of Israel and the Vast Majority of its people ?"

People need to distinguish the difference between Jews and Israelites.

Israelites are a race and are God's chosen people. The majority of Israelites will not return to Israel until Christ himself brings them there after judging all the nations, (This is prophecy throughout the OT and NT) therefore todays Israel is a FRAUD.

Jews are just people who converted to Judaism, and can be of any race.

The religion of the Israelites has been corrupted by the Pharisees (Talmud, Kabbalah)

Jews in Israel today mainly follow the Talmud rather than the Torah. They are not blood Israelites but converts, so they have no right to the land.

According to prophecy from Christ " Israel will be trodden by Gentiles until the time of gentiles is over "

The time of gentiles is over when Christ returns.

hope I made it clear for you.

Very good post.

It's fun posting pictures. :rolleyes:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/israeli-girl.jpg?w=481&h=360

You should make it clear that those children are of 'The Modern State of Israel' and so are the missiles which were about to be directed to kill their neighbours - just in case any ignorant people do not know. ;)

[loveisthelaw]

It's fun posting pictures. :rolleyes:

http://willyloman.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/israeli-girl.jpg?w=481&h=360

You should make it clear that those children are of 'The Modern State of Israel' and so are the missiles which were about to be directed to kill their neighbours - just in case any ignorant people do not know.

Yeah it is fun:

http://images.politicalmasks.com/childs-cowboy-costume.jpg


http://www.costumeandpropshop.com/images_product/preview/Rubies/10048.jpg

http://mos.totalfilm.com/images/t/the-8-most-inappropriate-children-s-halloween-costumes-07-350-75.jpg

http://img.costumecraze.com/images/vendors/rubies/10002-main.jpg

http://www.daydreamersfancydress.co.uk/acatalog/SPECIALFORCECOSTUME.jpg

http://boysarmycostume.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/future-commando.jpg

http://www.brownbearevents.com/images/head_in_the_sand.jpg

[biblegirl]

...

hope that helps

Hello vancity eagle, thank you so much for your post, I appreciate you taking the time to answer each question. Plus it was an awesome post. :)

[bluezeppelin]

For the record, not all Jews are pro-Zionism/pro-Israel.

In the United States - unless you're hanging around an Orthodox or strongly Conservative group - the majority *aren't*. And in fact, most of the pro-Israel people I am familiar with, happen to be fundamentalist Christians.

Look, I live near Berkeley. You can't walk fifty feet in Berkeley without walking by an anti-Israel activist. These range in intensity from "divest from Israel" to full blown members of the organization called ANSWER which is pretty definitely anti-Israel, but also anti-Globalization in general.

And a huge number of these activists are people of Jewish descent.

Finally: Hollywood is hardly Zionist. Hollywood is to the left wing what Christianity is to the right. Not much support of Israel there.

[vancity eagle]

Finally: Hollywood is hardly Zionist. Hollywood is to the left wing what Christianity is to the right. Not much support of Israel there.

Hollywood is definately zionist at the TOP. Not the actors and such but the Producers and money guys are definately zionist. They may not be so overtly, but how many actors do you see critisizing Israel. It is a very touchy subject I dont think any actors will want to go near that topic if they wish to have a career. What the hell do you think all those damn Holocaust movies are about ? Propoganda supporting Israel.

[ladybird]

What the hell do you think all those damn Holocaust movies are about ? Propoganda supporting Israel.


Say it loud and clear.



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[bluezeppelin]

Hollywood is definately zionist at the TOP. Not the actors and such but the Producers and money guys are definately zionist. They may not be so overtly, but how many actors do you see critisizing Israel. It is a very touchy subject I dont think any actors will want to go near that topic if they wish to have a career. What the hell do you think all those damn Holocaust movies are about ? Propoganda supporting Israel.

Do you actually know this for certain or are you just guessing? If anyone can actually produce evidence, i'd love to see it.

If you have the evidence to back up this claim - let's see it and I would be more than happy to take it under consideration.

[ladybird]

Do you actually know this for certain or are you just guessing? If anyone can actually produce evidence, i'd love to see it.

If you have the evidence to back up this claim - let's see it and I would be more than happy to take it under consideration.



This is common knowledge. Get over it.

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

And stop fooling the people.

You - like everybody else - must reap what you sow!


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[ladybird]

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P.S. Adopting German (nick)names does not help any longer.
There is no such thing as a blue ZEPPELIN.
Blue blimps perhaps ...


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[malkor]

This is common knowledge. Get over it.

Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

And stop fooling the people.

You - like everybody else - must reap what you sow!


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that stuff goes either was as a part of cyberwar. that's why wiki is not a reliable source for current events or news items. it's still pretty good as a general reference however and that is the only thing anyone should be using wiki for.

[bendoon]

Do you actually know this for certain or are you just guessing? If anyone can actually produce evidence, i'd love to see it.

If you have the evidence to back up this claim - let's see it and I would be more than happy to take it under consideration.

Watch Schindlers list for starters.

[eternal_spirit]

Biblegirl I think this should answer your question..
One reason Jews were expelled from a long list of countries for many centuries (due to their Jewish religion and culture)


"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form."
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."
Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."
Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."
Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."
Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

How does a Jew prepare for his crime?

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.


Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.



O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.


Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."


Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."


Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.


Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Mary was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.



Horrible Blasphemy Against Jesus Christ

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"



Talmud Attacks Non jews beliefs

Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Lies of a Roman Holocaust

Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews.... that tells us about today's modern Jew's lies about those 6 million jews killed by Nazis ?????

A Revealing Admission

Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been gentiles (a gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews. (Also cf. Gemara Rosh Hashanah 25b).

Genocide Advocated by the Talmud

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b]. (Heathen Snoops favourite meme at anyone who isn't a Yahweh monger)

Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

Moses Maimonides: Advocate of Extermination

"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon, "Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon." [Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,, p. 3].

Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) taught concerning saving people's lives, especially concerning saving the lives of gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the "divine inspiration" of the Talmud:

Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly, if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him." The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah states this as well.

Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty of Jews towards Goyim, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Chapter 10), p. 184:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."

Just as Jesus Christ Explained they are not of his Father... They are the Edomities... The Followers of Edom... SATAN and His Crew...

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=43 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059479524&postcount=43)

[eternal_spirit]

http://radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/israel_soldier_pray18.jpg Israeli soldiers reading from the Jewish Holy Scriptures.
What is it they contain that inspires them to such atrocities?


BTW another keyword for a search "Sayanim".

[biblegirl]

David Icke Newsletter Preview

THEY DARE NOT SPEAK ITS NAME ...
... ROTHSCHILD ZIONISM

But to understand the financial crisis, 9/11 and so much more, it must be spoken constantly.

The David Icke Newsletter this Sunday is a major six thousand word exposure of the extent of Rothschild Zionist control of Big Government, Big Banking, Big Media, etc. and its fundamental role in the atrocities of 9/11.

I laid out in simple terms last week the agenda behind the unfolding global financial crisis and today I will expose the coordinating force, or at least a prime one, behind that agenda. Most conspiracy researchers either don't realise the fundamental significance of this network or are too frightened to say so if they do. Sod that.

It is widely known as Zionism or, as I call it, more accurately, I suggest … Rothschild Zionism. I add the 'Rothschild' to constantly emphasise the true creators of Zionism and its controllers to this day ...

... They have sought to sell the 'Zionism-means-all-Jewish-people' lie so they can condemn as 'anti-Semites' and 'racists' anyone who exposes the truth about Rothschild Zionism and its agents in government, banking, business, media, military, etc.

This is why most researchers won't go there even if they are aware enough to know that they shouldreally goes beyond five-sense reality. go there. To uncover and expose what is happening in the world we need all the 'bees' - brain, backbone, balls - and never more so than now. Oh yeah, and add consciousness if you want to see how deep the rabbit hole

Racism is the ultimate ignorance in that it relates 'self' to the body instead of the Consciousness - Awareness - animating and experiencing through the body. It is like judging a man by his spacesuit instead of the person inside it.

So racism is ridiculous, juvenile and silly, but no way is the threat of being branded as one (they have already tried and failed) going to stop me exposing what must be exposed if the Control System is to fall.

The world's most extreme racists are, after all, the Rothschild Zionists, anyway. Israel is an apartheid state every bit as much as were apartheid South Africa and apartheid America.
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/apartheidisrael.jpg


that helps, thanks David :)

[higgs boson]

I got shouted down on one football forum that I am a member of, for trying to point out that the Zionist elite were controlling most western governments through their control of the media and international banking. I was called a racist and had my posts reported until the mods locked the thread. I really don't know why anyone bothers trying to educate the 'unbelievers'. We're just 'tin foil hatters' to them. If their heads aren't in the sand, they're stuck firmly up their own backsides. No wonder the world's in such a mess.

Rant over. :mad:

[biblegirl]

welcome to the forum higgs boson :)

just out of curiousity, did you at any time use the word "Jew" in your posts???

[boots]

Biblegirl I think this should answer your question..
One reason Jews were expelled from a long list of countries for many centuries (due to their Jewish religion and culture)


"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form."
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal."
Coschen hamischpat 405

"The souls of non-Jews come from impure sprits and are called pigs."
Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b

"Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human."
Schene luchoth haberith, p. 250 b

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

"If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant or maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell the Jew: "God will replace 'your loss', just as if one of his oxen or asses had died"."
Jore dea 377, 1

"Sexual intercourse between Gentiles is like intercourse between animals."
Talmud Sanhedrin 74b

"It is permitted to take the body and the life of a Gentile."
Sepher ikkarim III c 25

"It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah. The Christians belong to the denying ones of the Torah."
Coschen hamischpat 425 Hagah 425. 5

"A heretic Gentile you may kill outright with your own hands."
Talmud, Abodah Zara, 4b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

How does a Jew prepare for his crime?

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.


Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God

Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (gentile) hits a Jew, the gentile must be killed.



O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.


Jews Have Superior Legal Status

Baba Kamma 37b. "If an ox of an Israelite gores an ox of a Canaanite there is no liability; but if an ox of a Canaanite gores an ox of an Israelite...the payment is to be in full."


Jews May Steal from Non-Jews

Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b). Sanhedrin 76a. God will not spare a Jew who "marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean..."


Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews

Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a gentile he may keep.

Baba Kamma 37b. The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel."

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews

Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.


Non-Jewish Children are Sub-Human

Yebamoth 98a. All gentile children are animals.

Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.

Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.

Insults Against Blessed Mary

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Mary was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.



Horrible Blasphemy Against Jesus Christ

Gittin 57a. Says Jesus is being boiled in "hot excrement."

Sanhedrin 43a. Jesus deserved execution: "On the eve of the Passover, Yeshu (Jesus) was hanged...Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer)?"



Talmud Attacks Non jews beliefs

Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.

Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.

Dr. Israel Shahak of Hebrew University reports that the Israelis burned hundreds of New Testament Bibles in occupied Palestine on March 23, 1980 (cf. Jewish History, Jewish Religion, p. 21).

Sick and Insane Teachings of the Talmud

Yebamoth 63a. States that Adam had sexual intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden.

Yebamoth 63a. Declares that agriculture is the lowest of occupations.

Sanhedrin 55b. A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b. A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Kethuboth 11b. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing."

Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.

Abodah Zarah 17a. States that there is not a whore in the world that the Talmudic sage Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with.

Hagigah 27a. States that no rabbi can ever go to hell.

Baba Mezia 59b. A rabbi debates God and defeats Him. God admits the rabbi won the debate.

Pesahim 111a. It is forbidden for dogs, women or palm trees to pass between two men, nor may others walk between dogs, women or palm trees. Special dangers are involved if the women are menstruating or sitting at a crossroads.

Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave.

Lies of a Roman Holocaust

Here are two early "Holocaust" tales from the Talmud: Gittin 57b. Claims that four billion Jews were killed by the Romans in the city of Bethar. Gittin 58a claims that 16 million Jewish children were wrapped in scrolls and burned alive by the Romans. (Ancient demography indicates that there were not 16 million Jews in the entire world at that time, much less 16 million Jewish children or four billion Jews.... that tells us about today's modern Jew's lies about those 6 million jews killed by Nazis ?????

A Revealing Admission

Abodah Zarah 70a. The question was asked of the rabbi whether wine stolen in Pumbeditha might be used or if it was defiled, due to the fact that the thieves might have been gentiles (a gentile touching wine would make the wine unclean). The rabbi says not to worry, that the wine is permissible for Jewish use because the majority of the thieves in Pumbeditha, the place where the wine was stolen, are Jews. (Also cf. Gemara Rosh Hashanah 25b).

Genocide Advocated by the Talmud

Minor Tractates. Soferim 15, Rule 10. This is the saying of Rabbi Simon ben Yohai: Tob shebe goyyim harog ("Even the best of the gentiles should all be killed").

This passage is from the original Hebrew of the Babylonian Talmud as quoted by the 1907 Jewish Encyclopedia, published by Funk and Wagnalls and compiled by Isidore Singer, under the entry, "Gentile," (p. 617).

This original Talmud passage has been concealed in translation. The Jewish Encyclopedia states that, "...in the various versions the reading has been altered, 'The best among the Egyptians' being generally substituted." In the Soncino version: "the best of the heathens" (Minor Tractates, Soferim 41a-b]. (Heathen Snoops favourite meme at anyone who isn't a Yahweh monger)

Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honor this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non-Jews. (Jewish Press, June 9, 1989, p. 56B).

On Purim, Feb. 25, 1994, Israeli army officer Baruch Goldstein, an orthodox Jew from Brooklyn, massacred 40 Palestinian civilians, including children, while they knelt in prayer in a mosque. Goldstein was a disciple of the late Brooklyn Rabbi Meir Kahane, who told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim, a Hebrew term for non-Jews." (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

Moses Maimonides: Advocate of Extermination

"Moses Maimonides is considered the greatest codifier and philosopher in Jewish history. He is often affectionately referred to as the Rambam, after the initials of his name and title, Rabenu Moshe Ben Maimon, "Our Rabbi, Moses son of Maimon." [Maimonides' Principles, edited by Aryeh Kaplan, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America,, p. 3].

Here is what Maimonides (Rambam) taught concerning saving people's lives, especially concerning saving the lives of gentiles and Christians, or even Jews who dared to deny the "divine inspiration" of the Talmud:

Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, Chapter 10, English Translation), p. 184: "Accordingly, if we see an idolater (gentile) being swept away or drowning in the river, we should not help him. If we see that his life is in danger, we should not save him." The Hebrew text of the Feldheim 1981 edition of Mishnah Torah states this as well.

Immediately after Maimonides' admonition that it is a duty for Jews not to save a drowning or perishing gentile, he informs us of the Talmudic duty of Jews towards Goyim, and also towards Jews who deny the Talmud. Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, (Chapter 10), p. 184:

"It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minnim, and apikorsim, and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth and his students, and Tzadok, Baithos, and their students. May the name of the wicked rot."

Just as Jesus Christ Explained they are not of his Father... They are the Edomities... The Followers of Edom... SATAN and His Crew...

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=43 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059479524&postcount=43)

Do a search on each of these folio's from the Tamuld biblegirl and you will find they are taken out of context's or pure bullshit.

Eternal bigot gets his sources from people who have no idea on what they are talking about. Actually they are bigots who have an agenda.


Sanhedrin 106a . Says Mary was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters."

http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html

Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, [did the children of Israel slay with the sword].40 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_40) A soothsayer? But he was a prophet! — R. Johanan said: At first he was a prophet, but subsequently a soothsayer.41 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_41) R. Papa observed: This is what men say, 'She who was the descendant of princes and governors, played the harlot with carpenters.'42 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_42)


footnote 42.


'Shipdraggers,' (v. Rashi). Herford, Christianity in the Talmud, p. 48, suggests that Balaam is frequently used in the Talmud as a type for Jesus (v. also pp. 64-70). Though no name is mentioned to shew which woman is meant, the mother of Jesus may be alluded to, which theory is strengthened by the statement that she mated with a carpenter. (The Munich MS. has [H] in the margin instead of [H], i.e., singular instead of plural.)


Correcting the misquotes; Part 2.


http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes;_Part_2.

When you are a bigot or fundamentalist you will find anything that suits your agenda.

.

[boots]

that helps, thanks David :)

From the Biggest Secret.

Chapter 11
The creation of Israel
Zionism is often said to be the heart of the conspiracy, but I don’t agree. It is part of it yes, but the Brotherhood network is far bigger than that. Zionism is not the Jewish people, it is a political movement. Many Jews do not support it, many non-Jews do. To say that Zionism is the Jewish people is like saying the Democratic Party is the American people. Yet to challenge the extremes of Zionism is to be called anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish.

What utter balls. Just as the Republic of South Africa is really the Fiefdom of Oppenheimers, so the State of Israel is really the State of Rothschild. Zionism was the creation of the Rothschilds on behalf of the Brotherhood and in truth it is not Zionist, but SIONism, a branch of the reptile-Aryan Sun cult religion. It has been used to ensure the take over of Arab Palestine for two main reasons. This is sacred land for the reptile-Aryans going back to the Levites and the ancient world.

[higgs boson]

welcome to the forum higgs boson :)

just out of curiousity, did you at any time use the word "Jew" in your posts???

Thank you. I've been lurking far too long, now it's time to stick my head above the parapet. :)

No, I deliberately avoided that word. the phrases I used were 'Zionist elite', 'Zionist regime' and 'political state of Israel', but even that, it seems, is enough to get you a bum rap. Anyway, like I said, rant over. :)

[eternal_spirit]

Do a search on each of these folio's from the Tamuld biblegirl and you will find they are taken out of context's or pure bullshit.

Eternal bigot gets his sources from people who have no idea on what they are talking about. Actually they are bigots who have an agenda.




http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html

Balaam also the son of Beor, the soothsayer, [did the children of Israel slay with the sword].40 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_40) A soothsayer? But he was a prophet! — R. Johanan said: At first he was a prophet, but subsequently a soothsayer.41 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_41) R. Papa observed: This is what men say, 'She who was the descendant of princes and governors, played the harlot with carpenters.'42 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/sanhedrin/sanhedrin_106.html#106a_42)


footnote 42.


'Shipdraggers,' (v. Rashi). Herford, Christianity in the Talmud, p. 48, suggests that Balaam is frequently used in the Talmud as a type for Jesus (v. also pp. 64-70). Though no name is mentioned to shew which woman is meant, the mother of Jesus may be alluded to, which theory is strengthened by the statement that she mated with a carpenter. (The Munich MS. has [H] in the margin instead of [H], i.e., singular instead of plural.)


Correcting the misquotes; Part 2.


http://www.skepticwiki.org/index.php/Correcting_the_misquotes;_Part_2.

When you are a bigot or fundamentalist you will find anything that suits your agenda.

.
Nonsense you're as bad as Snoops.
So you claim all those quotes were not in the Talmud? then you're either a liar or believe the liars who are telling you lies who are pro talmud pro Irael pro Jewish supremacism racist anti - gentile.

It's you who is the bigot supporting the basis of Jewish supremacism the Talmud.

Only a supremacist Jew supporter of Israel and talmudism would not be shocked and upset at what's in the talmud.

Honest Jews will admit what's in the talmud same as an honest gentile would be shocked.
But we know which side of the fence some of you sit on this thread.

If those quotes came from another book and were written by and taught by any other group who were not Jews, then you wouldn't be trying to deny the reality.

Boots you're a very dishonest
person, unless you really believe the quotes in the talmud don't exist?

I got news for you they do exist and are very real, can you not see that?

[boots]

Nonsense you're as bad as Snoops.
So you claim all those quotes were not in the Talmud? then you're either a liar or believe the liars who are telling you lies who are pro talmud pro Irael pro Jewish supremacism racist anti - gentile.


No it is you who talks nonsense.

So instead of playing the insult and accusation game. Which I could accuse you of worse things. Lets go through each one of those 'quotes'.

We will see who is being fooled and who takes the first pages of a google search, which is clouded with Neo Nazi propaganda, and who is the bigot.

It's you who is the bigot supporting the basis of Jewish supremacism the Talmud.

No your looking in the mirror....bigot.

I dont support NOTHING. especially fanatics and supremacist.

Only a supremacist Jew supporter of Israel and talmudism would not be shocked and upset at what's in the talmud.

Only a non thinking bigot would take the word of bigots who haven't taken the time to look at what is said by others as gospel. when their gospel is bigotry.

I dont support an apartheid state of Israel, nor do I even care about the Talmud or any religious book for that matter.


Honest Jews will admit what's in the talmud same as an honest gentile would be shocked.
But we know which side of the fence some of you sit on this thread.


Who you are to say what an honest Jew is, do you really think your word is of consequence.

Ah so you think you know what side of the fence I sit on, Do you. Well you dont you only make ASSumptions.

I sit on the middle and watch all the knuckle draggers beat themselves over the head with their finger pointing, getting nowhere and understanding nothihng.

If those quotes came from another book and were written by and taught by any other group who were not Jews, then you wouldn't be trying to deny the reality.

Fuck'n oath I would.

But since this has become a "hate Jew board" with so much disinformation spread from Neo Nazi sites which is then repeated on here, which BTW is NOT what David Icke is talking about then I challenge that, for there are good people out there who happen to follow a particular religion which everybody seems to hate, without a valid reason.


Boots you're a very dishonest
person, unless you really believe the quotes in the talmud don't exist?

I got news for you they do exist and are very real, can you not see that?

I got news for you pal. I know that you are a bigot when it comes to all forms of religion, what you dont understand is that everyone is on a different path and they have a right to that. it is not up to you to bag them but to teach and that doesn't mean degrading them for their belief.

You've dismissed Ickes message.

So lets go through each one of those quotes and see what there really meaning is. In THERE CONTEXT.

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b


Apparently a deliberate mistranslation. The passage deals with the technical rules of corpse-impurity which, according to the author of this text, apply to Jews and not to gentiles. In this connection Ezekiel 34:31 is cited: "And ye My sheep [referring to Israel], the sheep of My pasture, are _men [Hebrew: "adam"]_, and I am your God, saith the Lord God." From a careful midrashic reading of this Biblical verse, Rabbi Simeon ben Yohai deduced "Only "ye" are designated "adam," in the sense that only Jewish corpses and graves generate impurity according to Numbers 19:14: "This is the law: when a _man ['adam']_ dieth in a tent, every one that cometh into the tent...shall be unclean seven days..." The passage is legal and exegetical, not theological. If anything, it seems to put Jews on a lower footing than non-Jews. Typically, the words "but beasts" were added on by whoever put this list together. They do not appear in the original.



http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html

Baba Mezi'a 114b

[He asked him further:] Whence do we know that a naked man must not separate [[I]terumah]? — From the verse, That He see no unclean thing in thee.1 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_1) Said he [Rabbah] to him: Art thou not a priest:2 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_2) why then dost thou stand in a cemetery?3 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_3) — He replied: Has the Master not studied the laws of purity?4 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_4) For it has been taught: R. Simeon b. Yohai said: The graves of Gentiles do not defile, for it is written, And ye my flock, the flock of my pastures, are men;5 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_5) only ye are designated 'men'.6 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_6) — He replied: I cannot even adequately study the four [orders]; can I then study six?7 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_7) And why? he inquired. — I am too hard-pressed,8 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_8) he answered. He then led him into Paradise and said to him: Remove thy robe and collect and take away some of these leaves. So he gathered them and carried them off. As he was coming out, he heard a remark, 'Who would so consume his [portion in] the world [to come] as Rabbah b. Abbuha has done?' Thereupon he scattered and threw them away. Yet even so, since he had carried them in his robe, it had absorbed their fragrance, and so he sold it for twelve thousand denarii, which he distributed among his sons-in-law. Our Rabbis taught: And if the man be poor, thou shalt not sleep in his pledge:9 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_9) hence, if he is wealthy, thou mayest sleep thus. What does this mean?10 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_10) — Said R. Shesheth: This is the meaning: And if the man be poor, thou shalt not sleep whilst his pledge is in thy possession; but if he is wealthy, thou mayest do so.11 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_11)
Our Rabbis taught: If a man lends [money] to his fellow, he may not take a pledge of him, nor is he bound to return it to him, and he transgresses all these injunctions.12 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_12) What does this mean? — R. Shesheth said: This: If a man lends [money] to his fellow, he may not [himself] take a pledge of him; and if he did take a pledge of him [by means of a court officer], he is bound to return it;13 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_13) whilst 'he transgresses all these injunctions' refers to the last clause.14 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_14) Raba said: It is thus meant: If a man lends money to his neighbour, he may not take a pledge of him [himself], and if he took a pledge of him [through the court], he must return it.15 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_15) Now, when is this? If the pledge was not taken at the time of the loan.16 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_16) But if it was taken at the time of the loan,17 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_17) he is not bound to return it to him.18 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_18) Whilst 'and he transgresses all these injunctions' refers to the first clause.19 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_19)
R. Shizebi recited before Raba: Thou shalt return it unto him until the sun goeth down20 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_20) — this refers to night attire; in any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down — to an object of day attire. Said he to him: Of what use is an article of day attire by night,21 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_21) and a night attire by day? Shall I then delete it? he asked. — No, was his reply. It reads thus: Thou shalt return it unto him until the sun goeth down — this refers to an article of day attire, which may be taken in pledge by night; in any case thou shalt deliver him the pledge again when the sun goeth down — to a night attire, which may be taken in pledge by day. R. Johanan said: If he took a pledge of him, [returned it,] and then he [the debtor] died, he may distrain it from his children. An objection is raised: R. Meir said: Now, since a pledge is taken, why is it returned?22 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_22) 'Why is it returned?' [you ask.]23 (http://www.come-and-hear.com/babamezia/babamezia_114.html#114b_23) — Surely Scripture ordered, Return it! But [say thus]: Since it is returned,



All it takes is a Google search without the bigotry.


Correct me if I am wrong but I cannot see the passage which you quoted in there?

The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew." Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30


I found nothing about this at all, all I found is this.

The reference cited is does not exist, therefore the "quote" is forgery. Also "Akum" specifically means idolater. It does not refer to non-Jews in general. Additionally, the writing style is totally inconsistent with writings of this type which are extremely terse and abbreviated since they assume a great deal of prior knowledge.
David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)

CLAIM
"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form." Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855

RESPONSE (1)
I was unable to check this reference in my extensive Judaica library. The book "Midrash Talpiyyot" is appparently an obscure eighteenth-century Kabbalistic work that is little known and carries no authority whatsoever. Even if the citation were correct (which seems doubtful in light of the other examples on this list, and the fact that Jews never employ the designation "Jehovah"), it is hard to imagine what could be proven from it about Judaism or the Talmud.
From Usenet message catamont-2305980759150001@ts003d13.d...concentric.net (catamont-2305980759150001@ts003d13.den-co.concentric.net)

RESPONSE (2)
Apart from anything else, the use of the term "Jehovah" should be an immediate indicator of a forgery since Jews don't write this term in books. The actual book in question is not part of the Talmud but was written by a Turkish Jew called Elijah ben Solomon Abraham, ha-Koen in the eighteenth century. And it is unlikey that the quote exists given the other forgeries on this list.
David S. Maddison (maddison@connexus.net.au)


http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=12862787

You've got these quotes from jewatch or something haven't you enternal spirit?

Well it's bullshit.

I'm quite happy to go through each one you have quoted.

Next?

[boots]

CLAIM
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." Coschen hamischpat 405

RESPONSE
The above quote is a wrong inference from a fiscal law in Shulchan Oruch, Choshen Mishpat 405.3, that relates to times when slavery was a standard and accepted practice across the world.

It states that if an ox gored a pregnant woman, and this resulted in the loss of the fetus, the owner does not have to pay for the loss of the fetus (medical expenses and other damages are discussed elsewhere). If an ox gored a pregnant non-Jewish slave-woman, the owner of the ox has to pay for the loss of the fetus to the owner of the slave-woman (because the owner would have had another slave to work for him had the woman given birth). The same applies if the ox gored a pregnant cow, or a sheep, because had the animal given birth, the owner would have had an extra one. The law is clearly hinged on the rights of the owner, and does not compare non-Jews and animals in any way. It is purely legal, and does not have any philosophical or social implications.
I.I.

[eternal_spirit]

I dont support NOTHING. especially fanatics and supremacist.




I dont support an apartheid state of Israel, nor do I even care about the Talmud or any religious book for that matter.

But since this has become a "hate Jew board" with so much disinformation spread from Neo Nazi sites which is then repeated on here, which BTW is NOT what David Icke is talking about then I challenge that, for there are good people out there who happen to follow a particular religion which everybody seems to hate, without a valid reason.






So lets go through each one of those quotes and see what there really meaning is. In THERE CONTEXT.





You're just posting the same lies from the same links/sites as usual by Talmud apologists and Jewish supremacists.

They work overtime trying to make out what's in the talmud dosn't really mean what it says.

A bunch of liars bigots & racists. Yet you seem to believe their lies, wonder why?...oh yeah it's those terrible Germans (you read so much shit about Nazis & you swallow whole loads of happy horse shit)

I just Exposed Jewish supremacism & their hatred for gentiles (see talmud) yet some like you would rather lie and deny the truth & attack none Jews and demonise Germans with pro Judaic supremacist lies & mucho Judaic Communist disinfo. Racist anti-Germanic spiel.

More proof you're frothing at the mouth again about Neo Nazi sites (LOL) where do you think they got the texts from? the Talmud (yes Jewish religion).
I copied the Talmud quotes from here one of Chip's posts.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=43 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059479524&postcount=43)

Reads like Hoffman's site, but can be found at many sites including Christian & Muslim ones. Standard Talmud quotes LOOK HERE




Jewish Racism, Jewish "Religion"


The Old Testament (the Torah) and the Talmud constitute the basics of Judaism and contain the principles by which todays Jews live. But see what an abyss of racial hatred and intolerance they contain, as one closer studies these Jewish scriptures.



http://radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/israel_soldier_pray18.jpg
http://radioislam.org/islam/english/index_judaism.htm

Israeli soldiers reading from the Jewish Holy Scriptures.
What is it they contain that inspires them to such atrocities?
HERE^^^ Enough proof there for you Boots et al?
I'll leave it at that, I've seen it all before (& the talmud apologists twisting of words) but sure some haven't. I am bored of this topic cya.

[vancity eagle]

You can argue back and forth what the Talmud says or doesn't say, but Christ said clearly

" Judge a tree by its fruits "

When I do this I have to say I believe all the evil things people claim the Talmud says.

[biblegirl]

what is the Talmud, a Jewish Bible or something?

[tinyint]

what is the Talmud, a Jewish Bible or something?

You are joking, right? Never heard of that evil racist scripture?
I can't believe it.
Would you like some more excerpts?

[phemohilia]

what is the Talmud, a Jewish Bible or something?

Not sure how accurate this version will be, but the Sacred Texts site has been thought to be a decent source for some information.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

Here's a couple more links....

Talmud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

^^^ I'm sure the info there is probably about as whitewashed as it can be!! :rolleyes:

And this site, well.... I have no idea!! :confused:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

[phemohilia]

You are joking, right? Never heard of that evil racist scripture?
I can't believe it.
Would you like some more excerpts?


Not everybody here (or in the real world) sits around all day spanking it to how wonderful/evil the "Jews" are.... ;)

[tinyint]

Not everybody here (or in the real world) sits around all day spanking it to how wonderful/evil the "Jews" are.... ;)

Well, I love to spank hypocrisy and lies, thats true. ;)

The most accurate translations, btw, are those from before WWII.
It doesn't matter if you take the Senocci or Goldschmidt translation. But all the newer ones only tell pc story, nothing to do with the real talmud.

[eternal_spirit]

You can't have Orthodox Jewry without Babylonian Talmud. Same as Potatos grow with skin - a serious student of Jewish law & the rabbis learn Talmud at Yeshiva schools.






http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517982XCZFL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Talm.../dp/0465020631 (http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Talmud-Adin-Steinsaltz/dp/0465020631)

Does lool like the orange writing on that Talmud says Satan.

De Ja Vu. :cool:
Does anyone find that disturbing?Too much of a coincidence? Or do you see another word other than Satan?

[biblegirl]

Not sure how accurate this version will be, but the Sacred Texts site has been thought to be a decent source for some information.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm

Here's a couple more links....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud

^^^ I'm sure the info there is probably about as whitewashed as it can be!! :rolleyes:

And this site, well.... I have no idea!! :confused:

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

thanks phem! so essentially it's a commentary from a bunch of old rabbi philosopher guys that people are making a religion of? i thought the jewish religion had to do with the Old Testament? silly me :rolleyes:

[stelios]

what is the Talmud, a Jewish Bible or something?

Jews have a number of religious texts including the Talmud, the Torah and the Kabbalah.
The Torah is like the old testament of the Bible.

[eternal_spirit]

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

The last part partly relates to under Jewish religious law the talmud has authority, it's sort of like the Koran & Hadiths how they are applied to form Shariah law.

[oiram]

Hello all, a friend of mine has written a new article titled A New Declaration Of Independence From Israel. We have undertaken the task of writing this document, and encourage all to participate. The article follows, please read and provide comments. Further details are forthcoming, and I will post the new declaration here and elsewhere for everyone to copy and mass distribute. Thank you all, may the light of Truth and Freedom shine as a beacon for all to celebrate!

Hmmm ... Good luck! >>>> Some people just wont learn!

We are not talking about normal Jewish persons "Right"
We are talking about Jewish people in positions having only control over others & money in there foreheads for the last 2010 years. Signing an oath. "Right"

Man may able to change there way; but what's about long-lasting Traditions ???????????

Do they still have this practice? Of-cause they will say NO because they have a pray which makes them liars by default. :confused: :eek:
Well ask your self if you would remove such a perfect excuse system; to stay a perfect liar?
Man some sick stuff people cook up to get away with murder!

Well see if that's worth anything?

<< Mark 10:25 >>
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
The Truth will stand on its own merit
A Jewish Defector Warns America:
Benjamin Freedman Speaks
If you interested Read this >> not to long ago:
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

http://www.puremagazine.net/eye-of-the-needle.jpghttp://www.davidicke.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=154&pictureid=1236
"Kol Nidre"
Prayer recited in the synagogue at the beginning of the evening service on the Day of Atonement; the name is taken from the opening words. The "Kol Nidre" has had a very eventful history, both in itself and in its influence on the legal status of the Jews. Introduced into the liturgy despite the opposition of rabbinic authorities, repeatedly attacked in the course of time by many halakists, and in the nineteenth century expunged from the prayer-book by many communities of western Europe, it has often been employed by Christians to support their assertion that the oath of a Jew can not be trusted.

Form of Prayer.

Before sunset on the eve of the Day of Atonement, when the congregation has gathered in the synagogue, the Ark is opened and two rabbis, or two leading men in the community, take from it two Torah-scrolls. Then they take their places, one on each side of the ḥazzan, and the three recite in concert a formula beginning with the words , which runs as follows:

"In the tribunal of heaven and the tribunal of earth, by the permission of God—blessed be He—and by the permission of this holy congregation, we hold it lawful to pray with the transgressors."

Thereupon the cantor chants the Aramaic prayer beginning with the words "Kol Nidre," with its marvelously plaintive and touching melody, and, gradually increasing in volume from pianissimo to fortissimo, repeats three times the following words:

"All vows [], obligations, oaths, and anathemas, whether called 'ḳonam,' 'ḳonas,' or by any other name, which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next (whose happy coming we await), we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect; they shall not bind us nor have power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligatory; nor the oaths be oaths."

The leader and the congregation then say together (Num. xv. 26).

"And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them, seeing all the people were in ignorance"

This also is repeated three times. The ḥazzan then closes with the benediction, : "Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the Universe, who hast preserved us and hast brought us to enjoy this season." In many congregations Num. xiv. 19-20 is recited before this benediction. After it the Torah-scrolls are replaced, and the customary evening service begins.

Origin.

The tendency to make vows was so strong in ancient Israel that the Pentateuchal code found it necessary to protest against the excessive estimate of the religious value of such obligations (Deut. xxiii. 23). Rash and frequent vows inevitably involved in difficulties many who had made them, and thus evoked an earnest desire for dispensation from such responsibilities. This gave rise to the rite of absolution from a vow ("hattarat nedarim") which might be performed only by a scholar ("talmid ḥakam"), or an expert ("mumḥeh") on the one hand, or by a board of three laymen on the other. On account of the passionate nature of the Jews and of Orientals in general, however, and in view of their addiction to making vows, it might easily happen that these obligations would afterward be wholly forgotten and either not be kept or be violated unintentionally (see L. Löw, "Die Dispensation von Gelöbnissen," in "Gesammelte Schriften," iii. 361 et seq.). The religious consciousness, which felt oppressed at the thought of the non-fulfilment of its solemn vows, accordingly devised a general and comprehensive formula of dispensation which was repeated by the ḥazzan in the name of the assembled congregation at the beginning of the fast of Atonement. This declared that the petitioners, whowere seeking reconciliation with God, solemnly retracted in His presence all vows and oaths which they had taken during the period intervening between the previous Day of Atonement and the present one, and made them null and void from the beginning, entreating in their stead pardon and forgiveness from the Heavenly Father.

This is in accordance with the older text of the formula as it is preserved in the "Siddur" of Amram Gaon (ed. Warsaw, i. 47a) and in the "Liḳḳuṭe ha-Pardes" (p. 12b). The "Kol Nidre" was thus evidently developed from the longing for a clear conscience on the part of those seeking reconciliation with God. The date of the composition of the prayer and its author are alike unknown; but it was in existence at the geonic period.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=340&letter=K

[dollanaqua]

If you are interested Read this > not to long ago: http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

Recommended reading - Oiram's link above - Benjamin Freedman set me on the trail of truth; and had it not been for him i literally would not be 'alive' today. :)

[disorder2k8]

So anyway.. I think it is because of the anti-Semitism thing as much as it is about Palestine. Basically a lot of people don't like the hypocrisy of Israel when it comes to their choice of foreign affairs/actions and other nefarious deeds.

The fact that they hide behind this political shield while apparently still committing atrocious acts is a problem, its why anyone would hate them and why anyone hates America, or Britain for exactly the same reason; Because most governments are autonomous and not concerned with either the wills or wishes of the people that empower them, nor the collateral they inflict in securing their own interests. Whatever they may be.

The state of Israel seems to be in its own world.

[rodin]

CLAIM


RESPONSE
The above quote is a wrong inference from a fiscal law in Shulchan Oruch, Choshen Mishpat 405.3, that relates to times when slavery was a standard and accepted practice across the world.

It states that if an ox gored a pregnant woman, and this resulted in the loss of the fetus, the owner does not have to pay for the loss of the fetus (medical expenses and other damages are discussed elsewhere). If an ox gored a pregnant non-Jewish slave-woman, the owner of the ox has to pay for the loss of the fetus to the owner of the slave-woman (because the owner would have had another slave to work for him had the woman given birth). The same applies if the ox gored a pregnant cow, or a sheep, because had the animal given birth, the owner would have had an extra one. The law is clearly hinged on the rights of the owner, and does not compare non-Jews and animals in any way. It is purely legal, and does not have any philosophical or social implications.
I.I.

How come you have this information at your fingertips?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059502348&postcount=98

[boots]

You're just posting the same lies from the same links/sites as usual by Talmud apologists and Jewish supremacists.

They work overtime trying to make out what's in the talmud dosn't really mean what it says.

A bunch of liars bigots & racists. Yet you seem to believe their lies, wonder why?...oh yeah it's those terrible Germans (you read so much shit about Nazis & you swallow whole loads of happy horse shit)

I just Exposed Jewish supremacism & their hatred for gentiles (see talmud) yet some like you would rather lie and deny the truth & attack none Jews and demonise Germans with pro Judaic supremacist lies & mucho Judaic Communist disinfo. Racist anti-Germanic spiel.

More proof you're frothing at the mouth again about Neo Nazi sites (LOL) where do you think they got the texts from? the Talmud (yes Jewish religion).
I copied the Talmud quotes from here one of Chip's posts.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=43 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059479524&postcount=43)

Reads like Hoffman's site, but can be found at many sites including Christian & Muslim ones. Standard Talmud quotes LOOK HERE




Jewish Racism, Jewish "Religion"


The Old Testament (the Torah) and the Talmud constitute the basics of Judaism and contain the principles by which todays Jews live. But see what an abyss of racial hatred and intolerance they contain, as one closer studies these Jewish scriptures.



http://radioislam.org/islam/english/toread/israel_soldier_pray18.jpg
http://radioislam.org/islam/english/index_judaism.htm

Israeli soldiers reading from the Jewish Holy Scriptures.
What is it they contain that inspires them to such atrocities?
HERE^^^ Enough proof there for you Boots et al?
I'll leave it at that, I've seen it all before (& the talmud apologists twisting of words) but sure some haven't. I am bored of this topic cya.

In other words you cant refute the statements which I put up which were straight from the Talmud all available on line with a simple Google search.

Even the link I post from "Come and hear" which is biased against the talmud you cant debunk.

What you posted can be the exact same thing found all over the net word for word. Not surprising at all.

I find it quite amusing how you equate Being anti Nazi with anti German, that would like saying I am anti royalty so I am anti English. It's a weak and stupid position to take, it shows your lack of intelligence.

.

[boots]

How come you have this information at your fingertips?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059502348&postcount=98

:D

It's called searching the Net, you should try it sometime. Instead of thinking your word is gospel.

.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Biblegirl I think this should answer your question..
One reason Jews were expelled from a long list of countries for many centuries (due to their Jewish religion and culture)


"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honour the the dog more than the non-Jew."
Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30

"Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form."
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855


Just as Jesus Christ Explained they are not of his Father... They are the Edomities... The Followers of Edom... SATAN and His Crew...

Keep in mind es has never/ever read the New Testament and is only repeating what neo-nazis have told him.

The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus' time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...4&postcount=43 (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059479524&postcount=43)


Ahoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! es:

This is one of your most sepantinely deceiful posts yet, and that's saying something. :rolleyes:

Bravo to Boots for confronting you in your attempt to incite hatred and separation and violence by promoting untruthful propaganda.


What is sad is you have been corrected many times, yet you persist. :(

You've got two major problems with your conclusions:

1: You have never actually read the Talmud, which is a vast array of Rabbinic musings, subservient to the torah, all you do is repeat falsehoods.

First example from your Post:
"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

Completely refuted here, and here.
http://www.jewishfamilyservice.net/jewish-books/why-do-jewish-bookstalmud-and-torah-teach-to-hate-non-jews

Why do Jewish books,Talmud and Torah, teach to Hate Non-Jews?
Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer, Directory of Intereligious Activities of the American Jewish Committe wrote concerning the role of the Talmud in Judaism: "The Talmud consists of 63 books of legal, ethical and historical writings of the ancient rabbis. It was edited five centruies after the brith of Jesus. It is a compenduim of Law and Lore. It is the legal code which forms the Basis of Jewish Religious Law , and it is the Textbook used in the training of Rabbis."
1)Baba Mezia, 114b "The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
2)Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b: "The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs."
3Zohar (I, 160a):"Rabbi Jehuda said to him [Rabbi Cezkia]: ‘He is to be praised who is able to free himself from the enemies of Israel , and the just are much to be praised who get free from them and fight against them.By what kind of war? The kind of war that every son of man must fight against his enemies, which Jacob used against Esau – by deceit and trickery whenever possible

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-Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat."
-Babha Bathra (54 b): "All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert; the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own."
-Midrasch Talpioth, p 225, Warsaw 1855: "Even though God created the non-Jew they are still Animals in human form. It is not becoming of a Jew to be served by an animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form."

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Schene luchoth haberuth, p 250b: "Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew as a monkey to a human."
-Coschen Hamischpat 405: "A pregnant non-jew is no better than a pregnant animal."

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Babha Kama: "The name of God is not profaned when, for example, a Jew lies to a Goi by saying: ‘I gave something to your father, but he is dead; you must return it to me,’ as long as the Goi does not know that you are lying."
-Schulchan Aruch, Jore Dia. "A Jew is permitted to rape, cheat and perjure himself; but he must take care that he is not found out, so that Israel may not suffer."

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Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17."A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."
-Abhodah Zarah, 22b: "Why are the Goim unclean? Because they were not present at Mount Sinai . For when the serpent entered into Eve he infused her with uncleanness. But the Jews were cleansed from this when they stood on Mount Sinai; the Goim, however, who were not on Mount Sinai were not cleansed

The Talmud is a collection of many volumes of debate and discourse among the rabbis of old in the Diaspora ( dispersion ) in their attempts to apply the jewish law ( TORAH ) in the lands of the dispersion. There are a few seemingly bizarre comments in some of these debates that are often taken out of context ( that are actually sometimes not much different in tone and manner than a computer bulletin board debate) HOWEVER, some of those things ABOVE are pure FABRICATION and do not EXIST in any text of Talmud at all.

Talmud is a target for many anti- Semites because it isn’t easy to always refute obscure texts that most Jews haven’t read the many volumes of Talmud written over a thousand years! However, since their appearance on the internet this copy paste from above HAS been addressed and refuted soundly for being the deceptive bigotry that it is. I RESPECTFULLY suggest that if you really want to know what the Talmud is..you have the resources available at your fingertips..OR you can go to a synagogue and read for yourself…very few Jewish homes would have all the Talmud as the texts are very expensive and comprise almost a library themselves.

Jewish homes have Tanakh because THIS is what Jewish law is found in.

I could list all the falsehoods from above, but you can look at the list of real books of Talmud and see for yourself that some of this stuff up there is simply fabricated out of thin air and other things are so twisted as to prove beyond all doubt that the only purpose of this is to create hate for the Jew. Jews are NOT taught to be bigoted or hate others and in fact, it is an agregious sin to do so in judaism.

Just a few refutations here, all others are addressed at links below:

The Zohar above is not a book of Talmud, but a text of the twelfth century of Kabbalah and that quote isn’t even in it.

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17. No such statement appears anywhere in the Talmud. There is no such book in the Talmud. These two words are part of the title of some 1500 books, but by themselves they mean only "responses."

Baba Mezia statement above : 1)Baba Mezia, 114b "The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts." This is a complete fabrication. NO SUCH THING IN TALMUD, no such passage exists.

This question has been reported for terms of service violation of incitement to hate with inflammatory bigoted falsehoods.

I respectfully suggest that readers here uneducated on the topic do NOT take MY word alone for my claims. I sincerely hope that if they have any interest at all that they will take the time and sincere efffort to determine for themselves who here is lying.

This questioner is DEPENDING on your ignorance of the topic and thinking that you won’t bother to look up to see if these claims are true or not. I do not assume that everyone is willfully ignorant.
In fact, that is the only way hatred and bigotry will cease.
Shalom.

http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/talmud-history/

http://talmud.faithweb.com/


Talmud: The Real Truth About The Talmud

Talmud: Statement of Purpose
There are many lies circulating the internet about the Jewish Talmud. These allegations are supported by "direct quotations" from the Talmud that are frequently wrong or taken out of context. However, most people lack the scholarly background to verify these claims. Most people have no way of knowing that these accusation are false and malicious. What we are attempting is to demonstrate in detail how these accusations are both wrong and intentionally misleading. We are trying to show to the world the real truth about the Talmud.


Written by Gil Student

Recommended book:
The Complete Idiot's Guide to
Understanding the Talmud

"Our philosophy asserts that every human being is created in the image of the Lord and the primacy of integrity and honesty in all dealings without exception. I strongly repudiate any assertions in the name of Judaism that do not represent and reflect this philosophy."

- Rabbi Malkiel Kotler, dean of the world-renowned Lakewood Yeshiva, Dec. 16, 2003

es, without ever reading the New testament proclaims this:
Just as Jesus Christ Explained they are not of his Father... They are the Edomities... The Followers of Edom... SATAN and His Crew...

Explain this es:

Matthew 4

4:1 Then was Yahshua led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of Elohim, command that these stones be made bread.

4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Yahweh.

es; explain this:
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD

Matthew 22

22:34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.

22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

22:36 Rabbi, which is the great commandment in the law?

22:37 said unto him, Thou shalt love Yahweh thy Elohim with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

22:38 This is the first and great commandment.

22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus as Rabbi in the Fourth Gospel
http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/rabbi_kostenberger.pdf

es: had you ever read or studied the subjects you despise and teach, you would have to come to a different conclusion, choosing love instead of hatred, unity instead of separation, order instead of chaos.

Explain why Yahsua went to the Synagogues on YHWHs Sabbath and read and taught from the Tanakh/OT, telling Jew and Gentile alike to heed and live by the word of YHWH.

The Kabbalah of Envy: Transforming Hatred, Anger, and Other Negative Emotions by Rabbi Nilton Bonder

es: The truth is the Talmud contains brilliant Rabbinic teachings that benefit ALL Humans, they also provide the best explanation of the Tankh/OT Texts.

No question about it. Jealously is one ugly, destructive creature who's more than willing to devour us if we're not careful. It's a creature that requires constant vigilance and battle. A creature so pervasive and damaging that it is the only emotion to get star billing in the Ten Commandments. (The Berenstain Bears don't mention that part).

Envy is so distorting, so lacking in perspective and judgment, our sages warn us that jealousy is one of the negative traits that take us out of the world (Ethics of the Fathers, 4:28). (The Berenstain Bears don't cite that reference either.)

What do we envy? You name it. Other people's spouses -- she's thinner, a better cook, a more competent mother. He's more successful, kinder, a more involved father. We envy other people's children. Their jobs. Their talents. The honor accorded them. And sometimes, if we're lucky, we envy other people's virtues.

Unfortunately it's only in the areas where there are real relationships to damage that we experience genuine jealousy.Who do we envy? Although every other magazine profiles the lives of the rich and famous -- the Hollywood stars, the movie moguls, perhaps some powerful business executives, I don't think that really excites our jealousy. We can't imagine living like that. It's like a peasant who sees a princess; he wouldn't even desire her for his wife because she is completely out of reach.

We most often envy our friends. Why did their son get the solo in school choir and mine didn't? Why did her husband get a promotion and not mine? How does she manage to look so put-together and I don't? Unfortunately it's only in the areas where there are real relationships to damage that we experience genuine jealousy.

Instead of promoting closeness and unity, envy leads to animosity and distance. It frequently leads to lashon hara (malicious slander). Since we begrudge them their good, we end up disparaging them. It could even lead to acts of violence.

And why? Did they take something from you? Is there a finite amount of good in the world? It's not like the Almighty has a giant chocolate cake and erred in determining how large to cut each piece. "Sorry only crumbs for you."

The Almighty gives each of us exactly what's appropriate. If we were meant to have that home, spouse, child, career -- we'd have it. He didn't forget about us. And we won't get more by stomping our feet, crying and throwing a tantrum.

Our challenge is to make the most of what we have; to realize that the Almighty gives us what we need, and that we need what He gives us. Out goal is to best play the cards we've been dealt. There are poor people who spend every cent strategically and give charity thoughtfully and there are wealthy people who squander their resources and miss the opportunity to help others. The achievement is in the doing not the having.

Sounds very nice, but how do we battle that instinctive, visceral, negative reaction we may have when we hear about the new good awarded a friend? Marriage, children, the "right" schools, "perfect" grandchildren?

Begin by giving. Give to the person we are jealous of. Since giving always deepens caring, it will change our focus. We will think more about their good and it will be easier to wish them success.

Think about our attitude towards our children. Since we love them we only want their good. If they're smarter than us, more attractive, more accomplished, not only are we not jealous, we're thrilled. We need to transfer that attitude to our friends and acquaintances.

Count our blessings. Hard to do when feeling put upon and grumpy, but crucial nevertheless. We are not hurt in any way by the good the Almighty has given others, only by our attitude towards it.

The Torah recognizes one positive use of jealousy - be envious of the virtues in others. When we see our children jealous of each other, we find it both disturbing and silly; disturbing that they should be experiencing that pain, and silly because we know how much love we have to go around and the unique and special feelings we have for each of them. We also know that we don't always give them all exactly the same thing at the same time because that's not what they need.

When the Almighty looks down and sees His children consumed with envy, He feels just as we do. It's silly, it's disturbing, there's plenty of love to go around and every one gets what they particularly need.

The Torah recognizes one positive use of jealousy - be envious of the virtues in others. This is an area where we can make changes and use envy to spur us on to greater character growth. We can strive to emulate the exemplary actions and strengths of our friends.

Every time we feel jealous, let's think of some small way we can grow. Then we'll be so busy that the green-eyed monster will slink away in disgrace, searching for more fertile territory. Don't let him take up residence in yours

ES: yOU DENIGRATE AND CONDEMN THAT WHICH YOU HAVE NOT STUDIED.
That is Textbook GateKeeping, turn people away from excellent materiel that will help them in their Sojourn. That is wrong.

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snoops you can post a lot of information which can over the head of the reader who dont want to learn about religion. most dont and neither do I :eek::);)

BUT when there is some much disinformation posted about exerts from the Talmud which can be found word for word all over the net then that disinformation must be countered.

Those people like es and dolly will never except a truth even if it is self evident, they like to stay in their little box of bigotry, happily munching on biscuits of ignorance.

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[snoopsnuffleopagus]

snoops you can post a lot of information which can over the head of the reader who dont want to learn about religion. most dont and neither do I :eek::);)

BUT when there is some much disinformation posted about exerts from the Talmud which can be found word for word all over the net then that disinformation must be countered.

Those people like es and dolly will never except a truth even if it is self evident, they like to stay in their little box of bigotry, happily munching on biscuits of ignorance.

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They will.................snicker..........



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Fair Winds and Following Seas and may you and your peeps have a wonderful holiday season. :)

Cheers Shipmate!!!!! :)

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Kol Nidre (also known as Kol Nidrei and Kal Nidre[1])(Aramaic: כָּל נִדְרֵי) is an Aramaic declaration recited in the synagogue before the beginning of the evening service on every Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. Though not a prayer, this dry legal formula and its ceremonial accompaniment have been charged with emotional undertones since the medieval period, creating a dramatic introduction to Yom Kippur on what is often dubbed "Kol Nidrei night".[2] It is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. Its name is taken from the opening words, meaning "all vows".

"All personal vows we are likely to make, all personal oaths and pledges we are likely to take between this Yom Kippur and the next Yom Kippur, we publicly renounce. Let them all be relinquished and abandoned, null and void, neither firm nor established. Let our personal vows, pledges and oaths be considered neither vows nor pledges nor oaths.





Kol Nidre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How can you trust someone who makes an oath never to keep their word ?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Easy ben, I test the Data to see if it True or false. I just don't lap up any low grade dogshit I come upon whilst strolling to the music of the Lute down the Hiways and Byways of Life.

You should try it.

In Yahwism/Judaism nothing can legally contradict Torah. Keep that in mind.

http://www.adl.org/presrele/asus_12/the_talmud.pdf

The Talmud in Anti-Semitic Polemics
Preface
Recently there has been a renewal of attacks on Judaism and Jews through
recycling of old accusations and distortions about the Talmud. Anti-
Talmud tracts were originally developed in the Middle Ages as Christian
polemics against Judaism, but today they emanate from a variety of
Christian, Moslem and secular sources. Sometimes such “studies” have
blatantly anti-Semitic tones; sometimes they are more subtle. Yet all of
them remain as false and pernicious today as they did in the Middle Ages.
Because of their unfortunate frequent reappearance, there is a need to
formally rebut these accusations and canards. The Anti-Defamation
League developed the following essay that explains in an honest and
scholarly way the Talmudic teachings as understood by Jewish religious
authorities..........................I. Introduction
Attempts to denigrate Judaism by quoting from classical rabbinic works are on record
from as early as the twelfth century. By selectively citing various passages from the
Talmud and Midrash, polemicists have sought to demonstrate that Judaism espouses
hatred for non-Jews (and specifically for Christians), and promotes obscenity, sexual
perversion, and other immoral behavior. To make these passages serve their purposes,
these polemicists frequently mistranslate them or cite them out of context (wholesale
fabrication of passages is not unknown). They usually dismiss attempts to correct their
misreadings as “hairsplitting” or dishonest attempts to portray Judaism in a favorable
light.
In distorting the normative meanings of rabbinic texts, anti-Talmud writers frequently
remove passages from their textual and historical contexts. Even when they present their
citations accurately, they judge the passages based on contemporary moral standards,
ignoring the fact that the majority of these passages were composed close to two
thousand years ago by people living in cultures radically different from our own. They
are thus able to ignore Judaism’s long history of social progress and paint it instead as a
primitive and parochial religion.
Those who attack the Talmud frequently cite ancient rabbinic sources without noting
subsequent developments in Jewish thought, and without making a good-faith effort to
consult with contemporary Jewish authorities who can explain the role of these sources in
normative Jewish thought and practice. Even the more traditional Orthodox stream of
Judaism has developed and changed over two thousand years, and despite the
unquestioned importance that the Talmud and early rabbinic literature continue to play in
contemporary Jewish education, law and thought, the Jewish approach to that literature is
more nuanced than the literalist readings which polemicists portray as the standard
Jewish interpretations.

C. Kol Nidrei and Jewish TruthfulnessAn equally baseless attack on Jewish tradition is sometimes made regarding “Kol
Nidrei,” a ritualistic formula which, some polemicists allege, allows those Jews who
recite it to lie without moral or religious compunction. (One recent anti-Semite cited Kol
Nidrei as proof that Judaism is “more of a crime syndicate than a religion.”) In fact there
is a prayer called Kol Nidrei that many Jews recite on the Jewish Day of Atonement
(Yom Kippur)—though some congregations, sensitive to the fact that the prayer is
sometimes misconstrued, have excised it from the prayer book. Far from any “license to
lie,” however, Kol Nidrei constitutes only a declaration in advance that any voluntary
religious obligations a Jew may take upon himself (while inspired by a sermon, for
example), should not be binding if it subsequently becomes clear that those additional
obligations were unrealistic or unnecessary. The Code of Jewish Law (Shulhan Arukh),
considered authoritative by all traditional Jews, makes clear that the Kol Nidrei prayer’s
potency is limited to personal vows of religious obligation (Y.D. 211:4):
אין דברים הללו אמורים אלא בשבועה או נדר שנשבע ונדר לעצמו, אבל
מי שהשביעו חבירו או הדירו, אין ביטול זה מועיל לו כלום.
This [prayer] refers to a vow or oath promised to one’s self; if the oath
was sworn at the behest of someone else, however, the [Kol Nidrei]
nullification does not work at all.
Thus an innocuous prayer that frees Jews from ill-conceived personal religious vows is
distorted by haters into a fiendish component of some Jewish conspiracy to deceive
others or that Judaism allows Jews to lie at will.

http://talmud.faithweb.com/

It Is Forbidden To Lie About The Talmud

Written by Gil Student
The Accusation

"To communicate anything to a goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if they knew what we teach about them they would kill us openly." - Libbre David 37.

"If a Jew be called upon to explain any part of the rabbinic books, he ought to give only a false explanation. Who ever will violate this order shall be put to death." Libbre David 37.

The Truth

While it is possible that the book Libbre David existed I have not been able to find it, even with the help of a librarian from Yeshiva University's Gottesman Library. It was certainly never a mainstream book. In fact, it is strictly prohibited to lie about the contents of the Talmud.

Let us take an extreme example and see the conclusions of some legal authorities. What should a rabbi do if a disgruntled pig farmer came to his house, aimed a gun at the rabbi, and said "I want pigs to be kosher. Tell me, rabbi, are pigs kosher?"

R. Yishayahu HaLevy Horowitz, Shnei Luchot Habrit, Masechet Shevuot p. 33b (Jerusalem:1975)

It is forbidden to change the words of Torah even in times of danger; one must give one's life over it.



R. Shlomo Luria, Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma 4:9

Rather we see from here that we are obligated to give ourselves over and sanctify G-d's name and if one, G-d forbid, changes one law it is as if he denied the Torah of Moses... To [lie and] say that one who is innocent is guilty or vice versa is like denying the Torah of Moses. What is the difference between denying one word and denying the entire Torah?




According to Rabbis Horowitz and Luria it is FORBIDDEN to lie about the Torah or Talmud even if it means losing one's life. A proof is frequently brought from the Jerusalem Talmud Sanhedrin 2:1 (9b), Horiot 3:1 (11b). Another proof is brought from Talmud Bava Kamma 38a where the story is told of two Roman soldiers who were taught by rabbis the entire Written and Oral Law and found only one point to be offensive. Evidently the rabbis taught the truth about the laws to occupying soldiers even though the soldiers might find them offensive.

There is a dissenting view, however. The Yad Eliyahu (responsa 48) suggests that even though it is forbidden to lie about the Torah or Talmud, when there is a clear and present threat to human life it is better to lie than to have blood shed. According to the Yad Eliyahu, the rabbi would lie to the disgruntled pig farmer until he is calm and disarmed.

However, all agree that barring such extreme circumstances it is forbidden to lie about the contents of the Torah or Talmud.

The Accusation

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a .

http://talmud.faithweb.com/articles/cheat.html

This is perhaps one of the worst lies stated. The Talmud and post-Talmudic literature absolutely and unequivocally forbid lying to anyone, whether Jew or gentile. It is forbidden to cheat or to profit from lying. Consider the following passage:


Talmud Chullin 94a

As Shmuel said: It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile.


This statement is affirmed in Maimonides' famous legal work the Mishneh Torah (Hilchot Deiot 2:6) and in the Shulchan Aruch (code of law - Choshen Mishpat 228:6). The concept is evident throughout Jewish literature. A few other places where it can be found as law are: Rabbi Yom Tov ben Avraham Alashbili, Chiddushei HaRitva, Chullin ad. loc.; Rabbi Yehudah HaChasid, Sefer Chasidim, 51; Rabbi Eliezer from Metz, Sefer Yerei'im, 124; Rabbi Elazar Azkiri, Sefer Chareidim, 29:20; Rabbi Yehudah Rosannes, Derech Pekudecha, 2:36:2; Rabbi Moshe from Coucy, Sefer Mitzvot HaGadol (Smag), 1:74, 2:155; Rabbi Yonah from Gerona, Sha'arei Teshuvah (Gates of Repentance), 3:184; Rabbi Shmuel Eidels, Chiddushei Maharsha - Chiddushei Aggadot, Chullin ad. loc.

There is, perhaps, no clearer denunciation than the following of Maimonides in his commentary to the Mishnah:


Maimonides, Commentary to the Mishnah, Keilim 12:7

And similiarly, lies, tricks, subterfuges, cheatings, and circumventions of gentiles are forbidden. They said [as quoted above] 'It is forbidden to deceive anyone, even an idolatrous gentile' and even more so when it can lead to the desecration of G-d's name. For that is a great sin and imbues in a person bad traits. And all these wicked actions G-d explained that He will be disgusted with them and with those who perform them, as it says: (Deuteronomy 18:12) "For anyone who does these is an abomination of G-d."


With this in mind, let us approach the text in question.


Talmud Bava Kamma 113b

Shmuel said: Their mistakes are permitted. Like when Shmuel bought from a gentile a golden bowl (with the seller thinking it was bronze) for four zuz and accidentally paid him one zuz less.


The Talmud is not stating that it is permissible to cheat a gentile. We saw above that the Talmud specifically forbids that. What the Talmud is saying is that normal business relations is for each party of a transaction to be responsible for their side of the deal. If Shmuel found a cheap bowl and, after accidentally underpaying, the seller did not count his money, then Shmuel was not obligated to correct the seller. The seller was negligent and Shmuel did not have to correct his mistake. For one's brothers and relatives one must go beyond the standard practice of business relations and correct all mistakes - return lost change, explain all misunderstandings, etc. However, for a business relation with whom there is mutual respect and understanding but nothing more, one conducts business by following convention.

In case the preceding has been unclear, let me restate it. A Jew is not obligated to correct a gentile's business mistakes. The Jew may not trick the gentile but if the gentile has been careless then the sale is nevertheless valid.

The following are just a few sources who state explicitly that the Talmud was only referring to accidental mistakes: Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Hilchot Geneivah 7:8; Rabbi Mordechai Ashkenazi, Mordechai, end of Bava Batra; Chinuch, 258; Rabbi Shlomo Luriah, Yam Shel Shlomo, Bava Kamma 10:20; Rabbi Ephraim Navon, Machaneh Ephraim, Hilchot Gezeilah 4; Rabbi Yehoshua Falk, Sefer Me'irat Einayim, to Shulchan Aruch, Choshen Mishpat 283:6, 359:3.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

ben.you are definitely part of the problem.

Jewish ethics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Jewish ethics stands at the intersection of Judaism and the Western philosophical tradition of ethics. Like other types of religious ethics, the diverse literature of Jewish ethics primarily aims to answer a broad range of moral questions and, hence, may be classified as a normative ethics. For two millennia, Jewish thought has also grappled with the dynamic interplay between law and ethics. The tradition of rabbinic religious law (known as halakhah) addresses numerous problems often associated with ethics, including its semi-permeable relation with duties that are usually not punished under law.

Central virtues and principles in Jewish ethics
[edit] Major themes in biblical ethics

The Biblical prophets exhort all people to lead a righteous life. Kindness to the needy, benevolence, faith, pity to the suffering, a peace-loving disposition, and a truly humble and contrite spirit, are the virtues which the Prophets hold up for emulation. Civic loyalty, even to a foreign ruler, is urged as a duty (Jer. 29:7). "Learn to do good" is the keynote of the prophetic appeal (Isa. 1:17); thus the end-time will be one of peace and righteousness; war will be no more (Isa. 2:2 et seq.).

[edit] Summaries of classical rabbinic ethics
Hillel the elder formulated the Golden rule of Jewish ethics: "What is hateful to you, do not do unto others." (Talmud, tracate Shabbat 31a; Midrash Avot de Rabbi Natan.) Akiva, a second century c.e. Rabbi, states "Whatever you hate to have done unto you, do not do to your neighbor; wherefore do not hurt him; do not speak ill of him; do not reveal his secrets to others; let his honor and his property be as dear to thee as thine own" (Midrash Avot deRabbi Natan.)

Akiva also declared the commandment "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Lev. xix.18) to be the greatest fundamental commandment of the Jewish doctrine; Ben Azzai, in reference to this, said that a still greater principle was found in the Scriptural verse, "This is the book of the generations of Adam [origin of man]. In the day that God created man [Adam], in the likeness of God made he him" (Gen. v.1; Sifra, Ḳedoshim, iv; Yer. Ned. ix.41c; Gen. R. xxiv).

Rabbi Simlai taught "Six hundred and thirteen commandments were given to Moses; then David came and reduced them to eleven in Psalm 15.; Isaiah (33:15), to six; Micah (6:8), to three: 'To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God'; Isaiah again (56:1), to two: 'Maintain justice, and do what is right'; and Habakkuk (2:4), to one: 'The righteous person lives by his faithfulness'."

[edit] Justice, truth, and peace
See also: Peace and violence in Judaism
Rabbi Simeon ben Gamaliel taught: "The world rests on three things: justice, truth, and peace" (Avot 1:18).

Justice ("din" corresponding to the Biblical "mishpat") being God's must be vindicated, whether the object be of great or small value (Sanh. 8a). "Let justice pierce the mountain" is the characteristic maxim attributed to Moses (Sanh. 6b). Stealing and oppression, even if only in holding back overnight the hired man's earnings, are forbidden.

Falsehood, flattery, perjury and false swearing are also forbidden. The reputation of a fellow man is sacred (Ex. 21:1). Tale-bearing and unkind insinuations are proscribed, as is hatred of one's brother in one's heart (Lev. 19:17). A revengeful, relentless disposition is unethical; reverence for old age is inculcated; justice shall be done; right weight and just measure are demanded; poverty and riches shall not be regarded by the judge (Lev. 19:15, 18, 32, 36; Ex. 23:3).

Shalom ("peace"), is one of the underlying principles of the Torah, as "her ways are pleasant ways and all her paths are shalom ('peace')."Proverbs 3:17 The Talmud explains, "The entire Torah is for the sake of the ways of shalom".[2] Maimonides comments in his Mishneh Torah: "Great is peace, as the whole Torah was given in order to promote peace in the world, as it is stated, 'Her ways are pleasant ways and all her paths are peace.'" [3]

[edit] Loving-kindness and compassion
Main articles: Chesed and Jewish theology of love
Simon the Just taught: "The world rests upon three things: Torah, service to God, and showing loving-kindness (chesed)" (Pirkei Avot 1:2). Loving-kindness is here the core ethical virtue.

Loving-kindness is closely linked with compassion in the tradition. Lack of compassion marks a people as cruel (Jer. vi. 23). The repeated injunctions of the Law and the Prophets that the widow, the orphan and the stranger should be protected show how deeply, it is argued, the feeling of compassion was rooted in the hearts of the righteous in ancient Israel.[4]

Friendship is also highly prized in the Talmud; the very word for "associate" is "friend" ("chaver"). "Get thyself a companion" (Abot i. 6). "Companionship or death" (Ta'an. 23a).

Respect for one's fellow creatures is of such importance that Biblical prohibitions may be transgressed on its account (Ber. 19b). Especially do unclaimed dead require respectful burial (see Burial in Jew. Encyc. iii. 432b: "met miẓwah").

[edit] Self-respect
In addition to teaching caring for others, Jewish sources tend to teach that man is duty bound to preserve his life (Berachot 32b) and his health. Foods dangerous to health are more to be guarded against than those ritually forbidden. Jewish ethics denies self-abasement. "He who subjects himself to needless self-castigations and fasting, or even denies himself the enjoyment of wine, is a sinner" (Taanit 11a, 22b). A person has to give account for every lawful enjoyment he refuses (Talmud Yer. Ḳid. iv. 66d). A person should show self-respect in regard to both his body, "honoring it as the image of God" (Hillel: Midrash Leviticus Rabbah 34), and his garments (Talmud Shabbat 113b; Ned. 81a).

[edit] Areas of applied Jewish ethics
[edit] Business ethics
Main article: Jewish business ethics
In the Torah, there are more commandments concerning the kashrut (fitness) of one's money than the kashrut of food. These laws are developed and expanded upon in the Mishnah and the Talmud (particularly in Order Nezikin). The Talmud denounces as fraud every mode of taking advantage of a man's ignorance, whether he be Jew or Gentile; every fraudulent dealing, every gain obtained by betting or gambling or by raising the price of breadstuffs through speculation, is theft (B. B. 90b; Sanh. 25b). The Talmud denounces advantages derived from loans of money or of victuals as usury; every breach of promise in commerce is a sin provoking God's punishment; every act of carelessness which exposes men or things to danger and damage is a culpable transgression. There is a widely quoted tradition (Talmud Shabbat 31a) that in one's judgement in the next world, the first question asked is: "were you honest in business?"

Laws concerning business ethics are delineated in the major codes of Jewish law (e.g. Mishneh Torah, 12th c.; Shulhan Arukh, particularly Choshen Mishpat, 16th c.). A wide array of topics on business ethics are discussed in the responsa literature. Business ethics received special emphasis in the teaching of Rabbi Yisrael Lipkin Salanter (19th century), founder of the Musar movement in Eastern Europe. Enforcing laws regarding the proper treatment of workers in the food industry has been central to the efforts of Conservative Judaism's Hekhsher Tzedek commission and its 2008 approval of a responsum by Rabbi Jill Jacobs which required paying workers in accordance with Jewish law and treating workers with dignity and respect.[5][6]

[edit] Charitable giving
Main article: Tzedakah
The Jewish idea of righteousness ("tzedakah") gives the owner of property has no right to withhold from the poor their share. According to Maimonides in the Mishneh Torah, the highest level of tzedakah is giving charity that will allow the poor to break out of the poverty cycle and become independent and productive members of society.[7][8] Tzedakah may come in the form of giving an interest-free loan to a person in need; forming a partnership with a person in need; giving a grant to a person in need; finding a job for a person in need; so long as that loan, grant, partnership, or job results in the person no longer living by relying upon others.

Traditional Jews commonly practice "ma'aser kesafim," tithing 10% of their income to support those in need. The Rabbis decreed (against Essene practice, and against advice given in the New Testament) that one should not give away much, most or all of their possessions. They did not expect a supernatural savior to come and take care of the poor, and so they held that one must not make oneself poor.[9] Given that nearly all Jews of their day were poor or middle-class (even the rich of that time were only rich relative to the poor), they ruled that one should not give away more than a fifth of his income to charity, while yet being obligated to give away no less than 10% of his income to charity.[10]

Many folios of the Talmud are devoted to encouragement in giving charity (see, for example, B.B. 9b-11a; A.Z. 17b; Pes. 8a; Rosh. 4a), and this topic is the focus of many religious books and rabbinic responsa.

[edit] Ethics of speech
Main article: Lashon hara
Evil-speaking is a sin regarded with intense aversion both in the Bible and in rabbinical literature. The technical term for it in the latter is lashon hara, "the evil tongue." In the Bible the equivalent words are: dibbah, meaning "talk" in a sinister sense; rakhil, the "merchandise" of gossip with which the talebearer goes about; and ragal, a verb, denoting the "peddling" of slander. As these words indicate, that which is condemned as lashon hara denotes all the deliberate, malicious, untruthful accusations which have the purpose of injuring one's neighbor, that is, calumny proper, and also the idle but mischievous chatter which is equally forbidden, though it is not slander.[11]

A rabbi in the Talmud opines that putting one's fellow man to shame, in the same category as murder (B. M. 58b), and brands as calumny the spreading of evil reports, even when true. Also forbidden is listening to slanderous gossip, or the causing of suspicion, or the provoking of unfavorable remarks about a neighbor.

[edit] Jewish family ethics
Main article: Honor your father and your mother
The Jewish tradition gives great stress to reverence for parents. More Orthodox forms of Judaism view the father as the head of the family, while seeing the mother as entitled to honor and respect at the hands of sons and daughters. More liberal Jews view the mother and father as equal in all things.

The family plays a central role in Judaism, both socially and in transmitting the traditions of the religion. To honour one's father and mother is one of the Ten Commandments. Jewish families try to have close, respectful family relationships, with care for both the elderly and young. Religious observance is an integral part of home life, including the weekly Sabbath and keeping kosher dietary laws. The Talmud tells parents to teach their children a trade and survival skills, and children are asked to look after their parents.

[edit] Marriage and sexual relations
Main articles: Jewish views on marriage, Judaism and sexuality, and LGBT topics and Judaism
Marriage is called kiddushin, or 'making holy'. To set up a family home is to take part in an institution imbued with holiness. Monogamy is the ideal (Gen. ii. 24). Celibacy is regarded as contrary to the injunction to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 2:18 and Isaiah 45:18). According to the Talmud and midrash, man is enjoined to take a wife and obtain posterity (Yeb. 63b; Mek., Yitro, 8). "He who lives without a wife lives without joy and blessing, without protection and peace"; he is "not a complete man" (Yeb. 62a, 63a), and for it he has to give reckoning at the great Judgement Day (Shab. 31a).

Sex is not considered acceptable outside marriage, but it is an important part of the love and care shown between partners. Sexual relations are forbidden during the time of the woman's period. After her period has ended, she will go to the mikveh (the ritual immersion pool) where she will fully immerse herself and become ritually clean again. Sexual relations may then resume. Married couples need to find other ways of expressing their love for each other during these times, and many say that the time of abstention enhances the relationship.

Adultery and incestual relationships (Leviticus 18:6–23) are prohibited. Most Orthodox Jews view male homosexuality as explicitly prohibited by the Torah, but other Jews view various forms of homosexual behavior or all forms of homosexual behavior as permitted by the tradition.

[edit] Medical ethics and bioethics
Main article: Jewish medical ethics
Jewish medical ethics is one of the major spheres of contemporary Jewish ethics. Beginning primarily as an applied ethics based on halakhah, more recently it has broadened to bioethics, weaving together issues in biology, science, medicine and ethics, philosophy and theology. Jewish bioethicists are usually rabbis who have been trained in medical science and philosophy, but may also be experts in medicine and ethics who have received training in Jewish texts. The goal of Jewish medical ethics and bioethics is to use Jewish law and tradition and Jewish ethical thought to determine which medical treatments or technological innovations are moral, when treatments may or may not be used, etc.

[edit] Political Governance
Main article: Judaism and politics
The ethics of proper governance is the subject of much contention among Jews. Various models of political authority are developed in the Hebrew Bible, rabbinic literature, and later Jewish literature. Many prominent Jewish thinkers, such as Maimonides, see monarchy as a moral ideal, while others, such as Abravanel, disparage the model of monarchy. Modern Jews have championed a variety of Jewish political movements, often based on their conceptions of Jewish ethics.

[edit] Ethics of warfare
See also: Peace and violence in Judaism‎
Jewish war ethics are developed by Maimonides in his "Laws of Kings and their Wars," part of his Mishneh Torah. Modern Jewish war ethics have been developed especially in relationship to the Israeli military's doctrine of Purity of arms.

[edit] Capital punishment
Main article: Capital and corporal punishment (Judaism)
The Talmud approves of the death penalty in principle but the standard of proof required for application of death penalty is extremely stringent, so that situations in which a death sentence could be passed are effectively impossible.

[edit] Relationship to non-Jews
The non-Jew is within the covenant of ethical considerations (Ex. xxii. 20; Lev. xix. 33). "You shall love him as yourself," a law the phraseology of which proves that in the preceding "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" (Lev. xix. 18) "neighbor" does not connote a Jew exclusively. There was to be one law for the native and the stranger (Lev. xix. 34; comp. Ex. xii. 49).

Jews are strongly influenced by the exhortation, 'Remember the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt' (Deuteronomy 10:9), especially as this refers to the Exodus celebrated at Passover. Jews are expected to show hospitality to all, and to consider the needs and feelings of anyone who may be marginalized, for whatever reason. In biblical times, the slaves of Jewish people had special rights that preserved their dignity as equal human beings, allowed them freedoms, and forbade mistreatment.

Non-Jews are to have a share in all the benevolent work of a township which appeals to human sympathy and on which the maintenance of peace among men depends, such as supporting the poor, burying the dead, comforting the mourners, and visiting the sick (Tosef., Giṭ. v. 4-5; Giṭ. 64a).

Most Jews do not actively seek to convert non-Jews to Judaism; in fact conversion to Judaism can be a lengthy and difficult process. They are respectful of other religions, but cannot actively approve of religions that appear to promote idolatry or immorality.[citation needed]

Jews believe that non-Jews who follow the Noachide code, the minimum ethical and religious requirements for all non-Jews, will be equally recognized by God. The laws of the Noachide code are: do not engage in idolatry; do not engage in blasphemy; do not murder; do not steal; do not commit acts of sexual immorality; do not cause excessive pain to animals (e.g. eating a limb torn from a living animal); and establish courts of justice.

The principle of Kiddush Hashem requires Jews to conduct themselves in every way as to prevent the name of God from being dishonored by non-Israelites. The greatest sin of fraud, therefore, is that committed against a non-Israelite, because it may lead to the reviling of God's name. A desire to sanctify the name of God may help to motivate some Jews to treat adherents of other creeds with the utmost fairness and equity.[9]

[edit] Treatment of animals
Main article: Tza'ar ba'alei chayim
According to Jewish tradition, animals have a right to be treated well, even ones that might belong to one's enemy (Ex. 23:4). The Biblical commands regarding the treatment of the brute (Ex. xx. 10; Lev. xxii. 28; Deut. xxv. 4; Prov. xii. 10) are amplified in rabbinical ethics, and a special term is coined for the prohibition on causing suffering to animals ("tza'ar ba'alei hayyim"). Not to sit down to the table before the domestic animals have been fed is a lesson derived from Deut. xi. 15. Compassion for the brute is declared to have been the merit of Moses which made him the shepherd of his people (Exodus Rabbah 2), while Judah ha-Nasi saw in his own ailment the punishment for having once failed to show compassion for a frightened calf.

Consideration for animals is an important part of Judaism. It is part of the Noachide code. Resting on the Sabbath also meant providing rest for the working animals, and people are instructed to feed their animals before they sit down to eat. At harvest time, the working animals must not be muzzled, so that they can eat of the harvest as they work. All animals must be kept in adequate conditions. Sports like bullfighting are forbidden. Animals may be eaten as long as they are killed as painlessly and humanely as possible using the method known as shechitah, where the animal is killed by having its throat cut swiftly using a specially sharpened knife. Jewish butchers have a special training in this which must meet the requirements of kashrut.

Enforcing laws regarding the treatment of animals in the certification of food products has been part of the effort of Conservative Judaism's Hekhsher Tzedek commission.

[edit] Environmental ethics
Main article: Judaism and environmentalism
The Book of Genesis 1:26 indicates that God gave people control over the animals and earth, while Genesis 2:15 emphasizes that people were put in the world to maintain it and care for it. The Talmud teaches the principle of Bal tashkhit, which some take to mean that wasting or destroying anything on earth is wrong. Many take the view that pollution is an insult to the created world, and it is considered immoral to put commercial concerns before care for God's creation. However, humans are regarded as having a special place in the created order, and their well-being is paramount. Humans are not seen as just another part of the ecosystem, so moral decisions about environmental issues have to take account of the well-being of humans.[citation needed]

Trees and other things of value also come within the scope of rabbinical ethics, as their destruction is prohibited, according to Deut. xx. 19 (Talmud, tracate Shabbat 105b, 129a, 140b, et al.). In modern times, a Jewish enivronmentalism movement has emerged.

ben........................use your Brain and read the Torah, it forbids unethical Treatment of anyone or thing.

[malkor]

people are just not buying the apologetic nonsense you quote, snoopy.

[vancity eagle]

people are just not buying the apologetic nonsense you quote, snoopy.

and we dont have the time to read all that either.

[dollanaqua]

http://www.pickafont.com/images/fonts/large/v/Vulgar%20Display%20Regular.ttf.png.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

people are just not buying the apologetic nonsense you quote, snoopy.

Sure; self empowering Truth by way of Recorded Historical Truth and Fact is nonsense...Ignorance grounded in hate and ignorance reigns supreme. :rolleyes:

For the Record: Apologetics is based upon the Grek Word; Apologeia, it means 'Reasoned Explanation'..nobodys saying: 'Sorry'.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

and we dont have the time to read all that either.

Be that as it may.ignorance may be easier but in the long run it is costlier................support Terrorism and gneo gnazis if you must, I chose to become informed and I do not.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!! :)

[dollanaqua]

Be that as it may.ignorance may be easier but in the long run it is costlier................support Terrorism and gneo gnazis if you must, I chose to become informed and I do not.

Aloha!!!!!!!!!! :)

snoopy,

what is your 'honest' opininion of the nazi's who rule 'the modern state of israel' ?

and do you believe that those who have led and lead 'the modern state of israel' care about any persons in the world other than themselves and their own future ?

[eternal_spirit]

people are just not buying the apologetic nonsense you quote, snoopy.
Snoops is deluding himself only, not wise in the eyes of the lord.
and we dont have the time to read all that either.
Yep zzzzzz copy & paste Talmud babble blather repetitive spam

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Snoops is deluding himself only, not wise in the eyes of the lord.

Yep zzzzzz copy & paste Talmud babble blather repetitive spam

yooz just pissed because I exposed you as the ignorant, lying hateful fraud that yooz are.

Squirt me a coupla tears, cry a river.build a bridge and cross over.......:)

what 'lord' are yooz speaking of? :confused:

Yahshua/Jesus? :)

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm


Don't be tryin' to lay no BS on me boy.....I'll open up a King Hell can of Whup Ass............ :mad:

Aloha!!!!!!!!!! :)

Have a Nice Day :)

[eternal_spirit]

yooz just pissed because I exposed you as the ignorant, lying hateful fraud that yooz are.

Squirt me a coupla tears, cry a river.build a bridge and cross over.......:)

what 'lord' are yooz speaking of? :confused:

Yahshua/Jesus? :)

JESUS AND THE IDENTITY OF GOD
http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm


Don't be tryin' to lay no BS on me boy.....I'll open up a King Hell can of Whup Ass............ :mad:

Aloha!!!!!!!!!! :)

Have a Nice Day :)
Quite the contrary you post huge swathes of bullshit & others are calling you out on it all over the forum.. :):cool:

Watcha Hamas Hezbolla..;)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

snoopy,

what is your 'honest' opininion of the nazi's who rule 'the modern state of israel' ?

and do you believe that those who have led and lead 'the modern state of israel' care about any persons in the world other than themselves and their own future ?

1: you are trendy and ignorant of historical truth/reality. That's gonna' cost ya bigtime. ;)

The radical islamic jihadists are the NAZIs

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/mbhood_en.html

Muslim Brotherhood unites with Hitler’s Third Reich

1933-2002

1933 Hitler rises to power
After humiliation of WWI, Germany votes overwhelmingly in favor of Hitler’s Fascist regime.

Hitler and Muslim Brotherhood Find Common Ground
Hitler’s vision of ethnic cleansing of non-Aryans becomes appealing to the Wahhabis of the Muslim Brotherhood [vii] . The West and the Jews is the common enemy. Muslim Brotherhood acquires Hitler’s methods of genocide to rid the Arab world of its non-Muslims.

1933

Nazi Parties Appear

Throughout Arab World [viii]


Young Egypt. Led by Muslim Brotherhood member Abdul Gamal Nasser (future Egyptian President). Young Egypt’s political slogan “One Folk, One Party, One Leader” is a direct translation from German of Nazi slogan.

Social Nationalist Party in Syria [ix] . Led by Anton Saada (known as the Syrian Fuhrer)


Syrian Social Nationalist Party Flag

1939-1945

Husseini calls

Nazi Muslim Troops

“Cream of Islam”
Amin Al-Husseini spends WWII in Germany at Hitler’s side. He establishes Muslim Nazi troops and becomes heavily involved in the genocide of Jews, Gypsies and Serbs. (See Husseini section).

Husseini calls Nazi Muslim troops “the Cream of Islam”.

1944

Amin al Husseini

Co-Founder and President of

Arab League
Amin Al-Husseini is one of the primary founders and the inspiration of Arab League. Goal is to reinforce Wahhabi vision of Pan-Islamic unity. Founding countries are: Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria and Yemen.

Husseini, still in Germany, is appointed to President in Absentia of Fourth Higher Committee of Arab League.

1945

Amin Al-Husseini

Leader of Muslim Brotherhood


Mid-1940. Amin Al-Husseini is appointed leader of Muslim Brotherhood in Jerusalem. He becomes number one active importer of Nazi methodology to the Middle East. Husseini flees to Egypt. He is wanted by Yugoslavia for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity perpetrated during WWII.

1949-1952

ODESSA

Network

Nazis Join Muslim Brotherhood
ODESSA network. Egypt, home of Muslim Brotherhood, and Syria incorporate thousands of Nazi experts into Egyptian and Syrian army, government and propaganda service. Vatican heavily involved in providing travel visas for Nazi officers.

Amin Al-Husseini providing safe haven to ex-Nazis in Arab lands. He is the main connection with Francois Genoud, Swiss banker of Third Reich, who finances the ODESSA network with money stolen from murdered European Jews.

JIHAD'S NAZI CONNECTIONS

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=764

2: Yes, very much so, had you honestly engaged the Essence of Judaism you would honestly understand their mindset-worldview.

You prefer deception, of which I am wise to.

Good luck with that mindset-worldview.

Clever doesn't last....;)

Have a Nice Day :)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Quite the contrary you post huge swathes of bullshit & others are calling you out on it all over the forum.. :):cool:

Watcha Hamas Hezbolla..;)

Post one Fact I Posted that is BS.

[dollanaqua]

snoopy,

what is your 'honest' opininion of the nazi's who rule 'the modern state of israel' ?

and do you believe that those who have led and lead 'the modern state of israel' care about any persons in the world other than themselves and their own future ?

no answer, just the usual deflection and loud reply by snoopy.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

no answer, just the usual deflection and loud reply by snoopy.

I answered with Historical/Factual Truth, you don't like it and because you are immature you cannot handle it.

The Palestinian Radical Arabs are the NAZIS. They desire Genocide, Apartheism, not the Jooz. Your trippin, you got the young adult Adolescent thing goin' on obviously.

Young Men Stuck in Adolescent-Adult Limbo

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18482794


grow up champ.............

Have a nice day. :)

[dollanaqua]

the only person behaving immaturely is yourself snoopy.

you should take a good look at yourself in order to see what everyone here other than yourself can see. ;)

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

the only person behaving immaturely is yourself snoopy.

you should take a good look at yourself in order to see what everyone here other than yourself can see. ;)

I am not here to be Politic or popular, I share informed Factual History, with lucid and incisive insights.

The fact that they are unpopular Truths concerns me not a bit, and I don't like lying phonies. ;)

Hateful, lying bigots.............;)

you feelin' me? :confused:

Ignorance is a very steep hill with perilous rocks at the Bottom.

Have a nice day. :)

[dollanaqua]

Quite the contrary you post huge swathes of bullshit & others are calling you out on it all over the forum.. :):cool:

+1

the forum recognises you for what you are snoopy. :D

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

+1

the forum recognises you for what you are snoopy. :D

whatever that is, I'm sure it's a spectrum, I can roll wit dat, :cool: what's more important is I recognize you for what you are. ;)

Have a nice day :)

[malkor]

Sure; self empowering Truth by way of Recorded Historical Truth and Fact is nonsense...

selective capitalization of words does not make them important, nor true.


Ignorance grounded in hate and ignorance reigns supreme. :rolleyes:

you begin to understand yourself. it's a good first step.


For the Record: Apologetics is based upon the Grek Word; Apologeia, it means 'Reasoned Explanation'..nobodys saying: 'Sorry'.

in the modern sense, used by itself it means argumentative defense of a doctrine. when used in a sentence, it may be modified with other words to clarify what is being communicated. in this case, the adjective "nonsense" modifies the context appropriately.

in other words, it means the apologetic nonsense you quote does not adequately excuse the racism against non-jews written in the talmud.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Gibberish..........................

in other words, it means the apologetic nonsense you quote does not adequately excuse the racism against non-jews written in the talmud.

Ahoy!!!!!!

1: I am not making excuses for any ACTUAL Polemics in the Talmud, there are of course some Polemics, but it is not Monolithicaly representative of the Jewish Worldview or Torah.
Of which I have Posted and every hater ignores the Monolithic/Universal Truth.

Should I hate all Xns because of the lunatic ravings of Marcion or Martin Luther?

Of course not.

Polemics are reactionary.


PARSHAT BEREISHIT
THE IMAGE OF GOD IN ALL OF US:
LESSONS AND CHALLENGES
OCTOBER 24-25, 2003 / 29 TISHREI 5764

While some maintain that the human being is only physical form, the Torah, in one of its most important sentences, insists that every person is also created in the image of God "tzelem Elokim" (Genesis 1:26,27). On the surface, we see each others' outward appearance, but if we look deeply, we ought to be able to perceive a little bit of God in our fellow human being. In fact, it is the tzelem Elokim which makes the human being unique. In the words of Pirke Avot, "beloved is the human being who is created in the image of God."(Avot 3: 18) Several fundamental ideas emerge from the tzelem Elokim principle. Bearing in mind that each and every human being is created with tzelem Elokim, it follows that all people-regardless of race, religion, nationality, age, mental faculties, handicap etc-are of equal value.

Human beings can relate to God "vertically" and "horizontally." In the sense that we have the capacity to reach upwards to the all powerful God through prayer and ritual, we relate vertically. Additionally, when we relate to our fellow person, we connect to that part of God in them. If one hurts another human being, God is hurt. Similarly, if one brings joy to another, God is more joyous. Hence a horizontal relationship exists as well.

Even if a person holds him/herself in low esteem, he/she ought to have self-confidence. After all, God is in each of us. God, as the ultimate creator, has given us the capacity to be endlessly creative-lending an important ingredient to our self esteem.

As God is omnipresent, so too do people, created in the image of God, have the inner desire to reach beyond themselves and be present as much as possible. We accomplish this by developing lasting relationships with one another. In that sense, one's presence is expanded. Similarly, as God is eternal, we, created in the image of God have the instinctual need to transcend ourselves. This need is met by raising children. Unlike animals, human beings are uniquely aware of historic continuity.

The image of God points to life after death. As God lives forever, so too does the part of God in us, our soul, live beyond our physical limited years on this earth.

Of course it must be remembered that tzelem Elokim does not mean that every human being is automatically good. Note that the words ki tov (so it was good), found after every stage of creation, are not recorded after the human being is formed. This is because the image of God is about potential. If properly nurtured, it takes us to sublime heights. If abused, it can sink us to the lowest depths. Whether we are tov depends on the way we live our lives; it is not endowed at birth.

And, the mystics add, that when we live our lives properly, the image of God in each of us merges with the omnipresent God to become One-Ehad. The tzelem Elokim is an eternal spark that is within each person, and whether it is lit is up to us.

Shabbat Shalom,

Rabbi Avi Weiss

Amplified, absolutely no Racism/Supremisim.....Tzelem Elokim=Humankind as Image of YahQuote:
1: Has Intelligence

2: Has Freewill

3: Has component of Spiritual Being-A Soul

4: HaShem/YHWH Rules the Universe and Spirit World, Humans have dominion over the Lower World.

5: Has the faculty of Judgement

6: Has an inherent Holiness and Dignity
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As created in the image of God, humans are endowed with "three intrinsic dignities": infinite value, equality, and uniqueness.

The first means that human life cannot be weighed, measured, or compared in terms of, that is, subordinated to, any other value. In the Kantian parlance Parlance humans are always a goal or end in themselves and never a means to something else.

The second term implies that no person or group is privileged over another. In fact, idolatry Idolatry results when a person or group absolutizes itself or its message.

The third idea reinforces the dignity of every human by insisting that each person is irreplaceable and has a special role to play in the redemption of the world.

The jewish religion is founded on the divine assurance and human belief that the world will be perfected." [5] Judaism engages with and seeks to overcome these realities of history through its notion of covenant. The covenant is that dynamic which God inaugurated in history, that partnership between God and the jewish people, to achieve the dignities for which all humans were created. Jews are those teachers, models, and co-workers-having both a divine and human partners - whom God designated to help all persons and even nature achieve redemption. For Greenberg, the messianic dream of perfection will not be realized by divine fiat, but by "improving this world, one step at a time."

These understandings of God, humans, and the world are expressed through the Torah and lived-out by the Jewish people through the Holy days and the Halakhah. In this view, Torah is that divine teaching which stands as "the constitution of the ongoing relationship of God and the Jewish people." Rabbi Greenberg

This expanded view/articulation of higher values help us to search for Yahwehs presence in the secular Realms of Life, some peeps call this: 'Holy Secularism'.

The Covenant is essentially a Divine, Loving, Pedagogic process. As Humans become more competent, Yahweh invites them to take up a more active role in the Task of Tikun Olam/World to Come, as Co-Creators.


Aloha!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)


The antiGentile Polemics in the Talmud are a minute percentage, most often peeps post lies about the Talmud. The brilliance of the remainder of the Talmud more then compensates for the few cranks.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CBsQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftalmud.faithweb.com%2F&ei=E_8YTfHKMY-u8Aa126WlDg&usg=AFQjCNHV5wtKn9Tjj-0okTbKHebiJMHTvA

Above is the actual Jewish Worldview, not one hater has engaged it. hmmmmmmmmmmm..........

[myriadsmallcreature]

i don't understand why people who are so passionate about a subject could be so sparing with information to someone who genuinely asks about it though...

biblegirl,

I have broached the topic here in this forum before, and elsewhere. To no avail.

I read the first half or so of this thread until the inevitable devolution, and then started reading the last page backwards until your last two posts.

As a Fair Witness in this riot, what have you learned so far?

What is a Jew?

[biblegirl]

biblegirl,

I have broached the topic here in this forum before, and elsewhere. To no avail.

I read the first half or so of this thread until the inevitable devolution, and then started reading the last page backwards until your last two posts.

As a Fair Witness in this riot, what have you learned so far?

What is a Jew?

haha it's all quite a mess isn't it

to me, a Jew = a human who has free will just like the rest of us

[myriadsmallcreature]

haha it's all quite a mess isn't it

to me, a Jew = a human who has free will just like the rest of us

I don't disagree. However, would you not find that answer, as regards your question above, unsatisfactory? An equivocation?

Literally, that would make your question "What's so bad about Israel and humans who have free will just like the rest of us?"

That's not really your question, is it?

So, is a Jew someone who practices Judaism, whatever that is? Is Semitic in origin, whatever that is? Speaks Hebrew? Or just someone who considers themselves a Jew?

Anti- Denetite - YouTube

"And this offends you as a Jewish person?"

[eternal_spirit]

BB why do you consider yourself Jewish? Or part Jew?

In our family My dad's Cousin married a Jewish Cohen, Cohen's are said to trace their blood lines back to Solomon's Temple & they were part of the priesthood. (there are laws in Israel Today stating that if someone who want's to marry a Cohen in Israel has to be able to prove their own Jewish blood lines way back in time) Therefore only certain Jews are allowed to Marry Cohens.

Meaning amongst themselves some Jews are considered more Jewish than others..:eek:

The Cohens in our family (I've never met) but some married with another Jewish family ( the name escapes me at the mo) so he lost his Cohen name - but he became the mayor of a big City in England.

[oilydoyley]

to answer the op.

because there is a hidden Zionist movement disguised as mainstream religion to get Is Ra El to a super power.

people have been squashed, scriptures altered or removed, artifacts destroyed and stolen all in the sake of the Zionists.

[eternal_spirit]

Had some reet humdingers with my dad over Germans & Jews.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

biblegirl,

I have broached the topic here in this forum before, and elsewhere. To no avail.

I read the first half or so of this thread until the inevitable devolution, and then started reading the last page backwards until your last two posts.

As a Fair Witness in this riot, what have you learned so far?

What is a Jew?

Ahoy! myriadsmallcreature
http://rlv.zcache.com/sparrow_bird_sticker-p217334735124648063qjcl_400.jpg

A Jew is an Ethnic with an Ethic; A People, a People who have a Religion.....From Secular to Ultra-Orthodox...........

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/34215431


http://magdathunder.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/aloha.jpg

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

to answer the op.

because there is a hidden Zionist movement disguised as mainstream religion to get Is Ra El to a super power.

people have been squashed, scriptures altered or removed, artifacts destroyed and stolen all in the sake of the Zionists.


:eek:

Sounds like you've read the Turner Diaries, The Protocolz of the Learned Elderz of TZiyon!!!!!!!!!!!!

Actually, nothing is Hidden, Ceiling Cat Knows All!!!!!!!!!! ;)

http://maddok.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/ceiling-cat-uncaptioned1.jpg


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T_JachDW9ag/TJ19j1b7yBI/AAAAAAAAKGk/kYkYtJ_LCHg/s800/uptv0085200.jpg


http://www.dreadgazebo.com/geekcats/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/geekcat-gary.thumbnail.jpg

http://alohajoes.com/images/aloha-sun.gif

[myriadsmallcreature]

Ahoy! myriadsmallcreature
http://rlv.zcache.com/sparrow_bird_sticker-p217334735124648063qjcl_400.jpg

A Jew is an Ethnic with an Ethic; A People, a People who have a Religion.....From Secular to Ultra-Orthodox...........

http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

http://www.mefeedia.com/watch/34215431

Seems as if biblegirl is bored with her own thread.

Snoops,

Thanks. I read the links. Nothing new, though my power of recall is not what it used to be. Have you read 'The Thirteenth Tribe'?

It does not explain what biblegirl thinks a Jew is, that she should base an entire thread on the term, or what she has learned, which is, superficially, the reason she started it in the first place.

If I absolutely had to guess, I would guess her real purpose was to bring the vitriol out into the open and perform a little intellectual judo on those trying to explain why they hate the Jews, whoever they are.

[gurlbit]

Because we say so.

[eternal_spirit]

BB why do you consider yourself Jewish? Or part Jew?

In our family My dad's Cousin married a Jewish Cohen, Cohen's are said to trace their blood lines back to Solomon's Temple & they were part of the priesthood. (there are laws in Israel Today stating that if someone who want's to marry a Cohen in Israel has to be able to prove their own Jewish blood lines way back in time) Therefore only certain Jews are allowed to Marry Cohens.

Meaning amongst themselves some Jews are considered more Jewish than others..:eek:

The Cohens in our family (I've never met) but some married with another Jewish family ( the name escapes me at the mo) so he lost his Cohen name - but he became the mayor of a big City in England.No one going to accuse me of being a crypto lol.

[eternal_spirit]

A previous post of mine read it Snoops. Then tell me about you and your family? or are you not honest enough?


Both my grand fathers fought for the English against Germany, one Irish one English. One great grand father was German. So one of his his son's would have been fighting against his German family. He helped save Jews ass and helped destroy his father's Germany.

My father was in an Irish/English regiment who was sent to Germany (Berlin wall etc) and Belfast, his father was from Belfast. His grandfather from Germany. National service was the norm back then,
jail or being shunned by the community was the consequences of refusing service.
So yes I come from a long line of Nazis (sarcasm).:rolleyes:

We got told a very one sided biased view of the war and history leading up to it, nothings changed with the media and schools. (two purposes to blame Germany for everything and to try silence anyone who speaks out about Today's genocide on the white race via mass immigration and out breeding by other races in the UK and Europe including Germany) you are labelled a Nazi or racist for knowing the truth and telling it.

Theory?
It could be a Jewish Zionist plot against whitey.

Luckily we have the internet and certain omitted historical facts are now available for us plus the other side of the story (Germans/other Europeans) and the opening of once closed Communist files.

My Indian relatives their father fought for the English, after the war he returned to India for some years but had to do a runner cos the Muslims where killing his neighbours.

Some of my Irish family Catholics and their anscetors (survivors of the 5 million starved to death on purpose) We have martyrs (dead catholics) in the family those that died fighting the Loyalists (protestants & English loyal to the foreign imposter king William of orange of the Orange Order Lodge).

My dad's dad a Catholic escaped from Ireland married a Protestant from Wales (whose father was German). My grand dad said you are your own God, you want something you have to go an provide it for yourself and family same as my dad said to me...

I am an apostate and not religious same as my Father. With family history like that why would we be religious? It's given us nothing but trouble...

Sorry for the long ramble but there you go...I could have said more but no need..
Enough said?
Wass up you all too paranoid to give some family back ground? What do you fear? Or are you dishonest? EH?

[griffinman]

They fund wars, control the media...banking system...and manipulate countries.
And then it's 'oh the UK are bad....oh the US are Evil.'

yeah? look behind the scenes at the controllers...

[biblegirl]

Seems as if biblegirl is bored with her own thread.

Snoops,

Thanks. I read the links. Nothing new, though my power of recall is not what it used to be. Have you read 'The Thirteenth Tribe'?

It does not explain what biblegirl thinks a Jew is, that she should base an entire thread on the term, or what she has learned, which is, superficially, the reason she started it in the first place.

If I absolutely had to guess, I would guess her real purpose was to bring the vitriol out into the open and perform a little intellectual judo on those trying to explain why they hate the Jews, whoever they are.

Oh I truly can't handle the endless links and walls of text myriad, since i skip over those in all the other threads to avoid going comatose, i was hoping someone could just come out and say what the problem was. I have learned a few things believe it or not. I thought a Jew was someone of Jewish decent, and I really did not get why I ran into spam style posts against Jews in all kinds of threads. It seemed the equivalent of "Oh those bad black people, you know that they're just bad."

To me the issues seem to be: the people on this thread/forum have differing definitions on what a Jew is. They have grievances against "them" for differing reasons too. Ladybird seemed to have issue with HER whole country's reputation because of the holocaust (which is something I did not consider). Other posters say it's because the Jews (specifically Zionists) are the Loomies. Well that's fair, I wasn't sure how that all tied in, but if that's the grievance I understand. Other posters say that the British have issues with them because...Palestine used to be under the UK empire...and now it's not (??) And still others think Jews are responsible for displacing native Palestinians and that was very sneaky and rude of them. I can understand why some people would have issue with the RELIGION of Judaism, but I don't see why it would be any more important and worthy of talking smack about over all the other religions. And snoops...well I still don't know what snoops is about, but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with Jews having Biblical ties and rights to stuff. With all the ginormous Jew related quotes and linking that I've encountered in other threads, I was curious if anyone could say just from their own mind what was truly the problem. I think I get it now ;).

...ish