Practicality

[davis]

Well I have always had a life of bad luck
you know
things get 99% there
then at the final percent of progres, poof, back to scratch
rather soul crushing
so i began to approach this whole thing
the matrix
meta physics
new age
occult
etc
as a rather practical thing
however i don't see anywhere on this forum how it is practical
it just seems a nice series of ideas.
Ive spent lots of time
with sigils, and meditation
mostly meditation
some rituals
back when i was christian i used to pray
none of it has really gotten me anywhere
no lasting change in any of it
so i continue searching to see if it's just me in this pattern
or all people in the same ideal set
if the whole thing has any worth
or if luck and circumstance are pre determined.
Well I happened onto David Icke
and became a huge fan
of his metaphysical and his illuminati works
hasnt sold me on the reptillian thing yet
but in his works
and on this forum
the whole Matrix thing seems like an instruction manual with half the pages torn out
yes i see how the computer works
but how do you turn it on and interface with it?
In other words, there is sooooo much research into quantam physics
m theory
conciseness and all that
but how do you put this knowlege to practical use?
i know there is some natural way
you know
people who's realities are already defined with positive events
adventure
progress
already exist without some sort of electromagnetic pulse generator sending vibes into their brain
dont say some rubbish, such as life has a plan, ups and downs, suffering and all that
because i know plenty of people who just go through life
and life is bloody fantastic
of course they dont like me very much because i put of a "creepy" vibe
but i interact with them on a regular basis
and have asked them their secrets, but they dont feel they are doing anything different.
Im not asking about manifesting material goods, im talking about quality of life in general
like david once said,
"You can wallpaper your house with bloody ferraris, but if thats not what youve come to experience, you probobly wont get it"
obviously bad things may come
but im honestly tired of laying in the mud while my life kicks mud in my face
and the illuminati eggs me to stay down
ive honestly never figured out how to get back up
and im sure many people in society feel the same way



Thanks for sitting through to the end, Im sure the length of the post has rooted the unintelligible chaff from the wheat so to speak

[tru3]

this is wonderful; thanks for posting. it's exactly where i was heading when i logged on this evening.

i invite you to read this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059467851&postcount=8)and this (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059467890&postcount=9).

then i ask: what half of the manual do you believe has been torn out? some esoteric instruction outside the Self, or perhaps the pages have only been hidden somewhere where most of us never think to look at first: within? ;)

[davis]

I clicked your links
and i dont really get it without the original context
or maybe it's just the way you word things?
But, from what I could understand
you say to just struggle through the day?
Then what is the point of this spirituality then?
If it all boils down to continuous effort against grain
that's holding you down
at a different extreme that it's holding down others (more OR less, sometimes the same)
Then to me this whole spirituality thing seems about as useful as reading the bible.
The whole process of suffering seems rather harmful to the growth process
look at plants
plants dont suffer to grow
any damage they take simply harms their growth
sometimes it makes us better people
but other than that
it just makes living much less pleasant.
And the part of the guide that's torn out is the part that makes it useful
like the part that tells you how to fly the plane itself
as opposed to how the plane works.

I probably seem whiny, but in all honesty, if this deep introspective transcendental and philosophical section doesnt really serve a purpose, then why else would it be here? for fun?
the sections on nwo and such are there to find information and spread information
the more you know about the control system of the nwo, the more you can sidestep it, and urge others to do the same
resist it even
but if there is no practical application to the matrix
then read as much as you want about it, nothing's gonna change.
you are still living the same life you would if you hadnt read it
just with a certain ammount of time spent to look into this

so i ask the same question AGAIN

whats the application?

[tru3]

hi. here's the original thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145906)

i dont really get it without the original context
or maybe it's just the way you word things?

the context: a meditation on suffering. full and complete. that's the context.

i then attempted to demonstrate a practical application of this. in my own life. air travel. i then suggested that in my own case, i may have a stake in creating my own suffering. in that awareness, i was able to relieve my own suffering. i made a new choice: not to identify with my fear.

i felt better in the airport and on the plane. not good, just better. i have been working with this for years, and i had a breakthrough. i honestly don't know how i could be any more practical, do you?

practical: concerned with actual use or practice. it was very much on my mind and i could relate to your post.

yes, wording is always difficult when addressing these matters. my apologies for not being more precise.

But, from what I could understand
you say to just struggle through the day?
Then what is the point of this spirituality then?

what do you want the point of spirituality to be? for me, it's a covenant: to choose love where i once chose fear. i'm work in progress. always.

from your earlier post, i got the sense you were struggling.

things get 99% there
then at the final percent of progres, poof, back to scratch
rather soul crushing

that sounds like struggle to me. am i wrong? if you like this process, then it's not really struggle. if you don't, then it seems that you are resisting what is arising, that's struggle, as i see it.

# fight: make a strenuous or labored effort; "She struggled for years to survive without welfare"; "He fought for breath"
# to exert strenuous effort against opposition; "he struggled to get free from the rope"
# an energetic attempt to achieve something; "getting through the crowd was a real struggle"; "he fought a battle for recognition"
# clamber: climb awkwardly, as if by scrambling
# conflict: an open clash between two opposing groups (or individuals); "the harder the conflict the more glorious the triumph"--Thomas Paine; "police tried to control the battle between the pro- and anti-abortion mobs"
# contend: be engaged in a fight; carry on a fight; "the tribesmen fought each other"; "Siblings are always fighting"; "Militant groups are contending for control of the country"

a very kinetic word, struggle. energy in motion. e-motion. it's just energy, and if i resist, it persists.

i just answered the questions in the meditation as they applied to my life. new awareness cuts through old suffering ime. i never engage it the same way after a new insight. never. it seems pretty simple to me. what else would you like to discuss?

And the part of the guide that's torn out is the part that makes it useful
like the part that tells you how to fly the plane itself
as opposed to how the plane works.

are you sure? they can identify every instrument in the cockpit but not the pilot. it's the pilot who flies the plane. if one is not a qualified pilot, how does one fly the plane? again, another possible purpose of spirituality: become a better pilot. very practical to me.

I probably seem whiny, but in all honesty, if this deep introspective transcendental and philosophical section doesnt really serve a purpose, then why else would it be here? for fun?

yes. quite honestly, it is fun to discover and uncover my own ignorance. i'm always fascinated by what i discover. aren't you?

as for purpose: imho, there can be no external purpose. meaning is subjective. as is emptiness. what i am looking at is what i'm looking with.

and no, i don't think you're whiny. :)

so i ask the same question AGAIN

whats the application?

well, i invite you to work with the questions in the meditations. without direct investigation into my own experience, then you are quite right: i would find it a pretty worthless topic. theory is a finger pointing at the moon.

the path is the goal. direct experience of your own suffering is for you to discover, as mine is for me. i just thought it would be fun to compare notes.

please feel free to explore. thanks for the feedback. :)

[davis]

yes yes i am struggling quite a lot.
that you hit the nail on the head
but you say to continue struggling
i ask the purpose of the struggling
I mean, if I know that when i get to that 99 percent range
its all gonna crumble down
then why struggle?
when you are working against fate itself
you cannot win
it is something i have been doing my entire life
i have even gone as far as to "redefine" the world
as a friend that is there to help
buuuut that did not help in the slightest.
for instance
right after doing so
I met the most wondeful female
things could not go wrong, however due to outside circumstances
that neither of us could have stopped
we cannot be togather.
A rather sadistic pattern.

Does being "spiritual" help overcome this pattern of endless failure?
Or is it merely a device to observe the pattern with no solution in place?

Is navigating life with a spiritual mindset more efficient, or is merely treating reality as it appears? (Superficial strenuous care to appearance to attract a mate combined with social masks vs true character and confidence. Lies and schemes vs truth, combing the "mirror" vs combing yourself)

In other words, does combing the mirror actually make a difference?
Please, keep your answer short and concise, because i want other people to input their opinions, and long posts make it intimidating and cumbersome...... though i dont help that much. THIS IS MY LAST LONG POST

[ufochick]

yes yes i am struggling quite a lot.
that you hit the nail on the head
but you say to continue struggling
i ask the purpose of the struggling
I mean, if I know that when i get to that 99 percent range
its all gonna crumble down
then why struggle?
when you are working against fate itself
you cannot win
it is something i have been doing my entire life
i have even gone as far as to "redefine" the world
as a friend that is there to help
buuuut that did not help in the slightest.
for instance
right after doing so
I met the most wondeful female
things could not go wrong, however due to outside circumstances
that neither of us could have stopped
we cannot be togather.
A rather sadistic pattern.

Does being "spiritual" help overcome this pattern of endless failure?
Or is it merely a device to observe the pattern with no solution in place?

Is navigating life with a spiritual mindset more efficient, or is merely treating reality as it appears? (Superficial strenuous care to appearance to attract a mate combined with social masks vs true character and confidence. Lies and schemes vs truth, combing the "mirror" vs combing yourself)

In other words, does combing the mirror actually make a difference?
Please, keep your answer short and concise, because i want other people to input their opinions, and long posts make it intimidating and cumbersome...... though i dont help that much. THIS IS MY LAST LONG POST

Here is how I have changed my life from lousy to damn near wonderful.

I expect things to happen that are fair, good and right
I expect people to treat me with respect (as I do them)
I don't react with emotion
I refuse to create drama of any kind

I have a friend who is always having a bad time, this is happening or that is happening. I used to think wow she has bad luck. But when I really thought about it I realized she was just making a big deal out of stuff that is nothing to me. What was drama and bad luck to her was nothing worthy of my attention when it happens in my life. She was taking everyday shit that happens to everyone and creating a huge deal over and then saying she had bad luck. I think it's all in the attitude, seriously I do.

We all tend to think that stuff never happens to people that we know who have "smooth" lives. it does happen to them, they just shrug and go on. It's not that some people have more breaks it's just that some people think being stuck in a traffic jam for an hour is something horrible and others think it gives them time to be alone and think and it's no big deal. It's about perspective.

Shit happens to everyone EVERYONE, it's how we react that matters. Make the shitty things be not worth your attention, make any small thing that is good be a HUGE thing. It will change your life.

[ozpixie]

Here is how I have changed my life from lousy to damn near wonderful.

I expect things to happen that are fair, good and right
I expect people to treat me with respect (as I do them)
I don't react with emotion
I refuse to create drama of any kind

I have a friend who is always having a bad time, this is happening or that is happening. I used to think wow she has bad luck. But when I really thought about it I realized she was just making a big deal out of stuff that is nothing to me. What was drama and bad luck to her was nothing worthy of my attention when it happens in my life. She was taking everyday shit that happens to everyone and creating a huge deal over and then saying she had bad luck. I think it's all in the attitude, seriously I do.

We all tend to think that stuff never happens to people that we know who have "smooth" lives. it does happen to them, they just shrug and go on. It's not that some people have more breaks it's just that some people think being stuck in a traffic jam for an hour is something horrible and others think it gives them time to be alone and think and it's no big deal. It's about perspective.

Shit happens to everyone EVERYONE, it's how we react that matters. Make the shitty things be not worth your attention, make any small thing that is good be a HUGE thing. It will change your life.

For me that is the central lesson. Well put. Thank you :)

[tru3]

In other words, does combing the mirror actually make a difference?


for me, it has. and i didn't say to continue to struggle. i said i do, till i don't. it is a choice. i just never found that phrase very instructive. in the heat of the moment, they tend to be words.

if you doubt this, simply ask: how do i know when i've really forgiven someone?

Shit happens to everyone EVERYONE, it's how we react that matters. Make the shitty things be not worth your attention, make any small thing that is good be a HUGE thing. It will change your life.

yes, great point. the crux. it is how we react that matters. thank you for getting to the meat of the nut.

that's the tricky part. it's been my experience that until i understand how i react, to what i react to, that i'm a slave to it. until i bring my unconscious behavior to light, i'm a slave to it. at least in my own case, my subconscious conditioning put me in the same situations over and over until i found a new response.


that's the only purpose of spiritual discipline for me. bringing ignorance to light. not to put some truth in me, but to remove the b.s.

thanks for helping remove some of mine. ;)

[davis]

soooooo no.
it doesn't.
its more efficient to live life without thinking about spirituality in the slightest,
because that only serves to add more gunk.
well fuck
i was really hoping for a little boost.
guess im just as screwed as the rest of us

[gorgeousgertie]

enjoy the ride and grab the reins.....but remember that its all in the intention,seat and posture and 'presented' in the hands!!!!!

[curtaincat]

soooooo no.
it doesn't.
its more efficient to live life without thinking about spirituality in the slightest,
because that only serves to add more gunk.
well fuck
i was really hoping for a little boost.
guess im just as screwed as the rest of us

OK, davis,
here is my latest idea on life, the universe and everything, ( no, not 42). no mice, either, lol.

I have done everything i can possibly think of. Attitude -as Ufochick says, and ozpixie says.
Done the "secret" - you create your own reality shite.
Done it all.

Checked out the gnostics ( they seem the most truth)

I recently chucked out half my books , and stuff printed out, from sites on the internet... I had studied them for years.. in every way. No kidding.

I have had enough of all this stuff.

"Let go and let god/higher self etc"

all sorts of shite.

My latest take at the mo is this:

Fucking fairy tales are true! We ( humans) are fucking under some sort of enchantment. we are asleep.

We are meant to be loving and be loved. And yet all we have to do is struggle to survive and pay bills and all that disgusting competitive shite.

I have had enough... and ... well... for now, anyways... I have just decided that - we are under a spell... of some sort.

I don't find it natural to fight and kill, or have leaders that tell us that we are always under a threat of being killed by a terroist.

My latest take is definately that we are under a curse/spell/ you name it..

and we have to wake up and realise that this world we live in is totally cruel and fucked up.

After everything I have read, and everything nice that I do, things still stink, something is very rotten!!!

And it is not the nice people ( who keep getting told - this life is a lesson ... bollocks!!!!) This 'lesson ' crap is getting way too old.

Fuck the lessons, the nice people are nice already, we dont need no more fake lesson rubbish lies !!!!!!!!! :mad:

love and peace to all the nice people , and let us hope we get away from this fucking spell that has been cast over us.

The fairly tales told to us as kids were damn well right, and then the adults told us they were just stories.

HUH !

rant over. luvs u all xxxxxxxxxxxx :)

[tru3]

Fucking fairy tales are true! We ( humans) are fucking under some sort of enchantment.

that we can agree on, i hope. :D