The Christians And the Occult!

[mariag]

How many believe that Christianity are based on the occult or / and Astrolgy?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/occult2.htm

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Mariag:

You are correct.

Most Christians have been deceived since Birth, as most other Humans on this Planet.

The Book of Yahweh(bible) is based upon a Lunar Calendar.

Holy Days and Feasts are determined by sightings of the New Moon.

Most Christian Sects recognise Equinoxes & Solstices as Feast Times.

Mariag: Do not judge the Book of Yahweh by the Christian Teachings.

As Yahshua informed us: Forgive them, for they know not what they do.

The First Positive Commandment informs us Yahweh is the only source of Power in the Universe.

So of what use or value would Numerology, Tarot, Astrology have for an Adept of Yahweh?

At this juncture I shall upload some Data into your Mind, where it shall remain.

Do with it what you will.

I will utilise Basic Neuro Linguistic & Visual Programme:

New Folders:

Yahwism> What the Book of Yahweh promotes, linguistically degraded to Judaism

Yahwist> An Adherent of the Doctrines of Yahwism

Messianic Yahwist> A Yahwist who recognises Yahshua(Yahweh is Salvation), as the Prophesied Messiah.

End of Programme

Carry On!

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[mariag]

Thank you fro agreeing . What concern me though is how the mass let themself be decieved. People are clever and have a mind to use , but mowt parts don´t . I dont quite get that why.
Maybe they are blind?

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Mariag:

It is not a matter of 'them' allowing themselves to be deceived, it is a fact they were instructed incorrectly, by others who were instructed incorrectly, etc.....

The Texts have been horrifically corrupted, yet, still contains the Basic Fundamental 'Truths', whether anyone likes them or not.

Here is the situation Mariag:

Metaphor: I have a Vinyard, and due to great soil, climate, strains of Grapes, I produce a wonderful Wine.

I share this Wine with People and they enjoy it immensly, it is a wonderful Wine.

The Wine is Full Bodied, Robust and Bursting with Flava! It is a Carnival of Taste in your Mouth!

A Merchant hears of this Wine and purchases a Barrel from me.

He takes it back to his shoppe and ADDS Water to it, thus SUBTRACTING from the Wines original quality.

He sells some Wine to other Merchants who also do the same and so on.

Eventually the Wine offered wil not resemble the original Wine in any manner.

The Book of Yahweh is the original Wine.

Yahwism is the original Wine



Though the wanton hand of man has defiled this Book, they have not succeeded in destroying it.

Come, ask me a question in the Book of Yahweh Thread.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

[mariag]

Cordial Felicitations Mariag:

It is not a matter of 'them' allowing themselves to be deceived, it is a fact they were instructed incorrectly, by others who were instructed incorrectly, etc.....

The Texts have been horrifically corrupted, yet, still contains the Basic Fundamental 'Truths', whether anyone likes them or not.

Here is the situation Mariag:

Metaphor: I have a Vinyard, and due to great soil, climate, strains of Grapes, I produce a wonderful Wine.

I share this Wine with People and they enjoy it immensly, it is a wonderful Wine.

The Wine is Full Bodied, Robust and Bursting with Flava! It is a Carnival of Taste in your Mouth!

A Merchant hears of this Wine and purchases a Barrel from me.

He takes it back to his shoppe and ADDS Water to it, thus SUBTRACTING from the Wines original quality.

He sells some Wine to other Merchants who also do the same and so on.

Eventually the Wine offered wil not resemble the original Wine in any manner.

The Book of Yahweh is the original Wine.

Yahwism is the original Wine



Though the wanton hand of man has defiled this Book, they have not succeeded in destroying it.

Come, ask me a question in the Book of Yahweh Thread.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus

A very good metaphor:p

Actually I think this "Book" was created thouhg , maybe as you said , and passed on to scilled people that has transformed the whole contex of ot so to speak. And that is a basic reason why I can not believe in it. Besides even if its intention from the beginning was to give the humans an inch of "truth" from some highly spiritual deity, I still don´t beleive in the "god" that people do today.
I simply can´t . I think that there might be a possibility , as mentioned in genesis and several other scriptures, that there was "angels" ( ufo? aliens?) that came down from "heaven"(other dimensions) .
And they Multiplied and breeded with females of human speices. I do believe in that possibility , and forgive me if I do and if that meand that my destiny is ment to go forward to an evil place called "hell" well so be it.. I will gladly move forward and hold "satans"hand. Please don´t misunderstand me.

I think this reptilian agenda is very interesting and to believe in DNA manipulating is not that hard when we have today gene clooning and sientific stuff .

:p

[bigus_dickus]

How many believe that Christianity are based on the occult or / and Astrolgy?

i assume that you believe the above.

if so, then why? how do you know? what does it really mean that Christianity is based on the occult and astrology?

[eternal_spirit]

What about Jews, hindus and muslims?

[eternal_spirit]

What about Jews, hindus and muslims?

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Ancient Egyptian Black-Magic sects were called Isis ( Is ) Ra (sun) and El (saturn) & all together = ISRAEL.

[snoopsnuffleopagus]

Cordial Felicitations Eternal Spirit:

It could be profitable to recall the Name of the Nation the Hebrews arose in Canaan was originaly called: Yahdah (Judea)

Yahdah subsequently split into 2 Nations: Yahdah & Israyl.

Apostasy has led to the Hebrews travails.

Any worship of Hinder Gods is expressly forbidden.

The Hebrews were to be led by Judges, not Kings.

In the Book of Samuel, the Hebrews 'go massively off the Track' when they reject Judge Rulership for King Rulership.

The Book of Yahweh vividly illuminates the Hebrews errors. For OUR edification.

Kind Regards: Snoopsnuffleopagus



Addendum: Point of Interest: Symbolism.

The Symbol of the Nation of Yahdah is a Rampant Lion

The Symbol of the Nation of Israyl is the Rampant Unicorn

Compare these two symbols to the Royal Crest of England

[synergy777]

snoop again spot on great metaphor and good history regrading yudah/judah and yisrael/israel

[drael]

I dont know if i personally agree with the notion of these being "black magick sects", although they are most certainly based in egyptian magick and ancient ritual.

One should also note early christians where actually gnostics and mystics and so spell craft etc was at least not entirely unknown to them in the begining. The bible however, as people now know is extremely vetted and altered, basically to exclude gnostic and other christian sects.

There are some texts around with early christian spells based on the egyptian formulae that were found. Most of the christian formulae is still acturate to the actual egyptian rituals.

As for black magick sects in egypt, that seems relatively speculative at best. Most of those gods there are fairly benign, at least Isis is simply the god of magick.

[cruise4]

"What concern me though is how the mass let themself be decieved."

Its just good old fashioned indoctrination isn't it? An elder passes it on to a younger. I see it like someone who is taught the colour Red is called Blue and Vice versa. If twenty years later someone tries to point out the real situation then the belief is so ingrained that logical escape becomes exceedingly difficult.

[mariag]

"What concern me though is how the mass let themself be decieved."

Its just good old fashioned indoctrination isn't it? An elder passes it on to a younger. I see it like someone who is taught the colour Red is called Blue and Vice versa. If twenty years later someone tries to point out the real situation then the belief is so ingrained that logical escape becomes exceedingly difficult.

I guess it could be indoctrination yes, and the fact that the elder passes information on to the younger , and the younger accept what the elder is teaching due to , maybe this is just my speculation, that they have learned from their parents and so on that it is always a good thing to listen and learn from the elders. So from that point it might be easy to understand. Although I know there are several parents that wants theire children to improve theire intelligence by learning them the importance of having a mind of theire own. I am not sayíng that it is "wrong" to listen to the elders and get visdom but , I think it is very important that people use theire own ideas and minds , and always ask questions if somethings are unclear.

I agree with you on the indoctrination , and yes that might affect the logical thinking. :p

[nextristan]

based on the evidence provided, i don't think Christianity is a sun god worshiping religion. i do think its a load of rubbish by and large, and wouldn't be surprised if it was a very carefully crafted religion. at least when the new testament was being canonized, prior to that anything is possible....

i mean it was all up in the air, Constantine I just had to pick whatever religion he wanted and we end up with modern Christianity. in a nutshell i guess. i don't doubt at it's roots Christianity is sincere, but that those with the capability have twisted into something rather off from what they believe to be true.

so i think its more of a diversion from what those-in-the-know think to be true, as opposed to a veiled version of what they think to be true.

[mariag]

http://www.illuminatiarchives.org/category/pagan/

An intersting site that mention the connection between christianity and sun worship. In fact , they claim that it is. And have some "proofs" that you can discuss:)
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[seer74]

i can't vote in this poll, there's no box for christianity is based on sun-worship but christians in general are not sun worshippers

[drael]

Are people that go to the beach sun worshippers?

[seer74]

Are people that go to the beach sun worshippers?

absolutley LOL

[seer74]

It has actually been a belief for many thousands of years that the universe is a reflection of god, and that the one thing in the universe that most represents god, is the SUN.

So, Sun God (includeing Y'shua), is a microcosm. He allegorizes the sun. The sun in turn reflects the Eternal Divinity, as does actually everything and everyone. It is also not unlikely that certain enlightened beings have walked the earth who SO manifest that divinity that their lives match up with the solar allegorys. While its most likely that most sun gods were stories made up as allegorys, it is equally likely that NOT ALL were made. All within the matrix reflects all else within the matrix. CERTAIN things within the matrix also reflect the divine.

So do sun worshippers worship the sun, or that which the sun resonates to them?

[beyond]

Well this just seems absolutely ludacris. Christianity is NOT a sun worshipping cult. Anyone who actually knows and understands the power of God and the personal spiritual connection with the creator knows that this is just simply a pathetic attempt to dis-credit the truth of Jesus Christ.

If you\'ve read a few articles or saw a few videos claiming that christianity is a sun worshipping cult, you must understand that this is an attempt to keep you blind to real and true power that you can have here on this earth and keep you from true self discovery. This is just part of one of the dreamworld tactics to confuse and blind you.

Christianity is the celebration of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ who was in fact God in human form. It has absolutely nothing to do with sun worship, unless of course that\'s what you believe.

[beyond]

Well this just seems absolutely ludacris. Christianity is NOT a sun worshipping cult. Anyone who actually knows and understands the power of God and the personal spiritual connection with the creator knows that this is just simply a pathetic attempt to dis-credit the truth of Jesus Christ.

If you\\\'ve read a few articles or saw a few videos claiming that christianity is a sun worshipping cult, you must understand that this is an attempt to keep you blind to real and true power that you can have here on this earth and keep you from true self discovery. This is just part of one of the dreamworld tactics to confuse and blind you.

Christianity is the celebration of the birth, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ who was in fact God in human form. It has absolutely nothing to do with sun worship, unless of course that\\\'s what you believe.

[mariag]

I am glad you are taking part of this little research of mine. Personaly I don´t believe in the Biblical version of Christ but I belive in a spirit that is eternal and has the same value as the christians say jesus had. When it comes to christianity it is important to know that most christians belive in a christ that is all loving , all caring and super super duper . A perfect being. To many people Christ is a saviour , not only a saviour of the world and of all kinds of trouble, but also a saviour of the soul for more reasons then one. No matter if this religion is based on sun worship as some claim or not it is the conte of the christ thing that matters. Most christians are not aware of the illuminati and its control, of religion , economy or anythin , but has bought the story of the bible , and I don´t blaim anyone for it . It is what they have been thought , have been raised into . Has thiere whole life centred in.
What is interesting in this essey is hoe the belifes vary from persom to person. The poll shows that most part that has aswered think that christianity is based on sun worship due to study and knowledge about the zoddiac cross among other things. But not many talks about it . And the christians , so it seems, sees the need of defending there belifes , wich is understandable . But as this is a forum of freedom in speech it is also important to hear the other side of the story. Everyone is entitle to there own beliefes and should not have to defend it. ;)
Love and peace to anyone.

[mariag]

Are people that go to the beach sun worshippers?

Well drael , hehehe in a way maybe they are . They love the sun , can lay there for hours just enjoying its warmth and wonderful glory . So why not? As someone said earlier , everything could turn into a religion ;)
hehehe

[drael]

:) the sun is good. Was nice and sunny today.

Whats the link between astrology and christianity? Sounds interesting...

[mariag]

:) the sun is good. Was nice and sunny today.

Whats the link between astrology and christianity? Sounds interesting...
It is very intersting , if one study a bit one can see a link between Horus and Jesus, and the 12 zodiac signs versus 12 apostles....much more. :o

Apperently there is a starformation or what you call it in english that is named the house of bread and the house of bread means in I think it is hebrew "betlehem". That is also interesting due to the fact that Jesus was supposed to have been borned in betlehem. A place in the sky perhaps?

[veritas2007]

.....If you\\\'ve read a few articles or saw a few videos claiming that christianity is a sun worshipping cult, you must understand that this is an attempt to keep you blind to real and true power that you can have here on this earth and keep you from true self discovery. This is just part of one of the dreamworld tactics to confuse and blind you......

Interesting you should phrase your repost like that.

If I may adjust it slightly:

If you've read book called the Bible or saw a few "religious leaders" claiming that Christianity is a Jesus Christ worshiping cult, you must understand that this is an attempt to keep you blind to real and true power that you can have here on this earth and keep you from true self discovery. This is just part of one of the dreamworld tactics to confuse and blind you.

It goes both ways.

Its not important though for the human race (such that we are) to argue amongst ourselves about the rights to divinity and the path to the creator. History shows only too well the role played by religion in the battle against each other.

We as a race should focus our energies on stopping the injustice we do upon our fellow man and woman every single day.

[beyond]

Interesting you should phrase your repost like that.

If I may adjust it slightly:

If you\'ve read book called the Bible or saw a few \"religious leaders\" claiming that Christianity is a Jesus Christ worshiping cult, you must understand that this is an attempt to keep you blind to real and true power that you can have here on this earth and keep you from true self discovery. This is just part of one of the dreamworld tactics to confuse and blind you.

It goes both ways.

Its not important though for the human race (such that we are) to argue amongst ourselves about the rights to divinity and the path to the creator. History shows only too well the role played by religion in the battle against each other.

We as a race should focus our energies on stopping the injustice we do upon our fellow man and woman every single day.

Yep, that is why it takes true faith to believe.

[veritas2007]

Yep, that is why it takes true faith to believe.

You know, its ok to have faith in the belief of God without religion?

Anyone who says "The way to God is through me" is a liar and a trickster. Spirituality is a personal thing - no conduit required.

[beyond]

.You know, its ok to have faith in the belief of God without religion?

WELL, THAT IS THE POINT. JESUS CAME TO DESTROY RELIGION. IT IS MAN WHO ASSOCIATES HIM AND HIS PURPOSE ON EARTH WITH RELIGION AND DOGMA.

Anyone who says \\\"The way to God is through me\\\" is a liar and a trickster. Spirituality is a personal thing - no conduit required.

YOU DON\\\'T KNOW THIS FOR SURE, IT IS ONLY WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE TRUE.

[veritas2007]

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[octopusrex]

Christianity is a political script. It's designed to fight off Hindusim, Greek Paganism, Isis and Osiris and a whole buncha Gods from other lands.

Christ was a nice guy.

Mystery!

[seer74]

Christianity is a political script. It's designed to fight off Hindusim, Greek Paganism, Isis and Osiris and a whole buncha Gods from other lands.

Christ was a nice guy.

Mystery!

Mind you those other gods were all anunaki/nephilim reptile fux like the bastards who STOLE the name of the ultimate REBEL HERETIC Y'shua N'zareth to make of him another of their bullshit religions of control, just as he predicted they would.

And a very nice guy he was indeed... to nice for his own good in fact, at least as far as 3rd dimensional illusion is concerned.

[seer74]

to clarify "christianity" (no different from all those other religions) and its namesake figurehead are two different things.

[octopusrex]

Religions of control.

The lefties have NO control. IE: No moral or ethical guide. The Law is whatever they want.

"...shall be the whole of the Law".

Only really extremely directed self-regulated folks need apply.

Otherwise, this is clearly a ticket to..

Hell.

[beyond]

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You are welcome and I'm glad you understand.