Why shapeshifters have been proven REAL

[woghd]

First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[lilly555]

yeah good post:cool:

[wolfchild]

I agree mate! (Spot on)

[seer74]

That's right, tell us all about it. Better yet, tell THEM all about it.

A court of law unfortunatly won't listen, being run by shapeshifters, and certainly they would bring in experts on "mass halucination" to dismiss the mountains and mountains of eyewitness testimony.

Does one believe in mass halucination? If so, p'raps this whole world's a mass halucination?

[woghd]

That's right, tell us all about it. Better yet, tell THEM all about it.

A court of law unfortunatly won't listen, being run by shapeshifters, and certainly they would bring in experts on "mass halucination" to dismiss the mountains and mountains of eyewitness testimony.

Does one believe in mass halucination? If so, p'raps this whole world's a mass halucination?

Sadly, this is all too true.

Archangel

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

I know I sound like just a random person, but working for the government, I can tell you, Reptilians certainly exist. I'm working on trying to get video evidence myself but I'm searched every time I enter any Official building. What I'll do with the video, I don't know, I know that if I post it on the internet, I'm as good as dead. Of course, I'm not saying that Reptilians parade around Official buildings in their natural forms, but I've seen glimpses, looked through key holes etc.

[aitch]

You lot are kidding right ?? :eek: ..... I believe most of the "alternative" theories out there ..... but I'm still not convinced about Reptile Shapeshifters ..... :(

[thirdwave]

I know I sound like just a random person, but working for the government, I can tell you, Reptilians certainly exist. I'm working on trying to get video evidence myself but I'm searched every time I enter any Official building. What I'll do with the video, I don't know, I know that if I post it on the internet, I'm as good as dead. Of course, I'm not saying that Reptilians parade around Official buildings in their natural forms, but I've seen glimpses, looked through key holes etc.

Welcome to the board... no need to be random ;)

[thirdwave]

You lot are kidding right ?? :eek: ..... I believe most of the "alternative" theories out there ..... but I'm still not convinced about Reptile Shapeshifters ..... :(

first of all... if you are thinking of someones skin morphing and changing colour then of course its not true... it is not like that... its in a perception level... you only look like you do and me like i do because we are vibrating light that reflects into the lenses in your eyes which then send data to the brain (not light, the brain is pitch black inside) and then your brain decodes this and you see the image.... when that code is changed or manipulated some way... then you see the shape shift...

this explains why in most cases people see it when feeling intense moments.... sex... anger.... fear.... so on...

I wonder if the actual code is changing as a whole ..as we get to 2012 (or what ever) and why we might see it more and more as we wont need to change perception any more.... and maybe why they are trying to keep our perception in one spot... who knows....

[seer74]

I know I sound like just a random person, but working for the government, I can tell you, Reptilians certainly exist. I'm working on trying to get video evidence myself but I'm searched every time I enter any Official building. What I'll do with the video, I don't know, I know that if I post it on the internet, I'm as good as dead. Of course, I'm not saying that Reptilians parade around Official buildings in their natural forms, but I've seen glimpses, looked through key holes etc.

And I know of someone pretty up-there in the ranks of the military who confided " Aliens are real and so is TIME_TRAVEL "

[tinmenace]

Shape Shifting is absolutely real. Everything is energy and vibration.

Take a look at this very simplified example of shape shifting.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/416486/salt_sound_waves/

[seer74]

Shape Shifting is absolutely real. Everything is energy and vibration.

Take a look at this very simplified example of shape shifting.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/416486/salt_sound_waves/

excellent post Tinmenace

[tinmenace]

excellent post Tinmenace

Glad you could relate ;)

[graflok]

Search YouTube for "cymatics" for lots of cool videos on this subject.

Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ViMy_aIm5Q

[sb_priest]

Seer. I can assure you right now, the British Government has yet to aquire Time Travel capabilities. Whether the U.S has, we are uncertain.

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

And I know of someone pretty up-there in the ranks of the military who confided " Aliens are real and so is TIME_TRAVEL "

Well, it's obvious aliens are real, I mean, consider the trillions of planets that are out there, of course there has to be another life form out there, with technologies, societies etc. Time travel is interesting, I am not an expert but I know that Reptilians only know what humans know about it, very little. I do know that they know it is amazingly more complicated than what we think it is, but that's all chinese whispers.

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

Welcome to the board... no need to be random ;)

Oh, I wasn't being random, I was just saying I may seem random in saying what I said. I know a lot more about Reptilians than you might think.

[sb_priest]

Some of us are very limited on our knowledge of reptilians, but you won't believe half the things that i have to filter.

[woghd]

Some of us are very limited on our knowledge of reptilians, but you won't believe half the things that i have to filter.

sb_priest, Welcome to the ICKE FORUMS!

:D

Archangel

[breakitdown]

Shape Shifting is absolutely real. Everything is energy and vibration.

Take a look at this very simplified example of shape shifting.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/416486/salt_sound_waves/

and this proves what exactly in relation to eg hilary clinton being a reptilian?

this is the sort of the stuff we did in science classes.

it bears no relation to reptilian shape shifters at all.... just a desperate attempt to link them together

[breakitdown]

Well, it's obvious aliens are real, I mean, consider the trillions of planets that are out there, of course there has to be another life form out there, with technologies, societies etc. Time travel is interesting, I am not an expert but I know that Reptilians only know what humans know about it, very little. I do know that they know it is amazingly more complicated than what we think it is, but that's all chinese whispers.

"I am not an expert but I know that Reptilians only know what humans know about it, very little"

could you elaborate which reptilians have told you this?....

[tinmenace]

and this proves what exactly in relation to eg hilary clinton being a reptilian?

this is the sort of the stuff we did in science classes.

it bears no relation to reptilian shape shifters at all.... just a desperate attempt to link them together

Whoa! Slow down tiger. I'm not trying to prove anything to you.

If you really want to understand the shape-shifting, you have to stop thinking in terms of 3D. You must expand your thinking to include other dimensions. I wrote this on a different thread:

The spectrum in which the human eye can see is very limited. There are vasts amount of matter which we simply cannot see, but it doesn't mean it's not there!

Do you know anything about Luminol? It's a chemical used by forensic specialists to detect blood. They spray it on a spot where blood may have been washed clean away. Nothing happens! It's only when an ALTERNATE light-source is used, can we see the invisible blood stains luminesce.

It required a whole different light source to see that which is invisible to us otherwise. This is a very simple and basic example, but one which most can understand.

Now, do you think that it is outside the realms of possibility that our limited vision doesn't allow us to see some BEINGS in their true form?

I highly recommend David's book Infinite Love is the Only Truth... (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=2/affiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=288_0_1_8)


"...why can't we 'feel' and 'know' our reality instead of insisting that the conditioned and manipulated mind must be the only arbiter of 'truth' through the production of evidence that it believes to be 'proof'? What is 'proof', anyway? Proof is only that which the conditioned mind accepts to be so...." - David Icke, Tales From The Time Loop (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3/affiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=288_0_1_7)

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

"I am not an expert but I know that Reptilians only know what humans know about it, very little"

could you elaborate which reptilians have told you this?....

No Reptilian has told me this, I've heard it from another official. By the way, I have fears that sb_priest is someone from the government spying on me so I'm being very careful in what I say.

[helloperator]

Let's get some old grainy low quality footage of someone doing something relativley mundane, slow it down so we engender it with that kind of ethereal, dreamlike quality thereby melding the mundane with the dreamlike, repeat it ad nauseum, open our minds, get a pen and paper, think "REPTILE" and write down what we think we see.

[john white]

No Reptilian has told me this, I've heard it from another official. By the way, I have fears that sb_priest is someone from the government spying on me so I'm being very careful in what I say.

Well IF he was (and theres not a lot to say he is), he would'nt have to post in order to do so

We talk to each other

Or we don't talk to each other

Them's the choices

Not for me to tell anyone else what to do, but I'm a talker

[sb_priest]

pistrawkeyberbryum, i can assure you that while i may have...links to the Government, I and no one i know of are spying on you.

If anything we are with you in trying to help prove and reveal the Reptilian race to the world.

[woghd]

Let's get some old grainy low quality footage of someone doing something relativley mundane, slow it down so we engender it with that kind of ethereal, dreamlike quality thereby melding the mundane with the dreamlike, repeat it ad nauseum, open our minds, get a pen and paper, think "REPTILE" and write down what we think we see.

This completely ignores the MASSIVE amount of evidence out there.

Allow me to reiterate:
First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[breakitdown]

No Reptilian has told me this, I've heard it from another official. By the way, I have fears that sb_priest is someone from the government spying on me so I'm being very careful in what I say.

you have been told this by an "official"?

you never think perhaps someone is just feeding you this?

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

pistrawkeyberbryum, i can assure you that while i may have...links to the Government, I and no one i know of are spying on you.

If anything we are with you in trying to help prove and reveal the Reptilian race to the world.

Who said I was trying to reveal the Reptilians to the world? Maybe I am but I haven't said anything about it, this makes me even more sure that you're a spy.

Oh and breakitdown, I'm saying "official" because that's the best description I could find for high ranked people within the government without mentioning names. I know I'm not being fed it, although if I was, it would be a damn good meal.

And John White, I don't know why sb_priest would post here, beats me, it seems a very odd thing to do admitedly. I'm already doing research and trying to find his real identity.

[adimon]

First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Art and sculpture is not evidence of the existence of reptiles though is it?

Which photographic evidence are you referring to?

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

You have previously said that you and your mates have come across a lot of bogus footage, that debunking it is what you do, but that you were stumped by Reptile Woman and that's where it changed for you. So you can't have it both ways.

Verbal debunking may not count, but damagedbrainn's poll speaks volumes as to what people think of Reptile Woman.

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These testimonies are usually referred to, but rarely examined in depth. Very few have gone on camera to talk about their experiences. And it's all very contradictory, don't you think?

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law.


So try it. :) Impeach Dubya, and make a name for yourself like Jim Garrison.

[adimon]

Do you know anything about Luminol? It's a chemical used by forensic specialists to detect blood. They spray it on a spot where blood may have been washed clean away. Nothing happens! It's only when an ALTERNATE light-source is used, can we see the invisible blood stains luminesce.

It required a whole different light source to see that which is invisible to us otherwise. This is a very simple and basic example, but one which most can understand.

Now, do you think that it is outside the realms of possibility that our limited vision doesn't allow us to see some BEINGS in their true form?

Focussing purely on the visibility concept TM, do you have a theory as to how or why the eyewitnesses who have 'seen' shapeshifts are/were able to do so?

[tinmenace]

Focussing purely on the visibility concept TM, do you have a theory as to how or why the eyewitnesses who have 'seen' shapeshifts are/were able to do so?

Perhaps they were tuned in to a different frequency. That's why I said in the first part of my post that you have to think beyond 3D. Did you skip over that part?

[graflok]

Art and sculpture is not evidence of the existence of reptiles though is it?

Art and sculpture are considered a record of the life & times of the
artists in many contexts. It's not outrageous to consider this.

Are you aware that video cameras didn't exist thousands of years ago?


You have previously said that you and your mates have come across a lot of bogus footage, that debunking it is what you do, but that you were stumped by Reptile Woman and that's where it changed for you. So you can't have it both ways.

:confused: Huh?


Verbal debunking may not count, but damagedbrainn's poll speaks volumes as to what people think of Reptile Woman.

As of this writing, a minority of respondents (44%) are sure the video is
invalid. The majority (56%) are either undecided or feel it is valid.


These testimonies are usually referred to, but rarely examined in depth.

'Examined in depth' by whom?

Very few have gone on camera to talk about their experiences.

So what?

Few people have gone on camera to say lots of things. Does that make anything
they say a hoax?

You apparently judge veracity by numbers. If most people say it, it must be
true and if a minority say it, it must be false. That may simplify your decision-
making process but I doubt it will lead you to the truth.

And it's all very contradictory, don't you think?

Without some controversy, where's the sport?

[sb_priest]

Who said I was trying to reveal the Reptilians to the world? Maybe I am but I haven't said anything about it, this makes me even more sure that you're a spy.

And John White, I don't know why sb_priest would post here, beats me, it seems a very odd thing to do admitedly. I'm already doing research and trying to find his real identity.

All right. I'll admit it. Maybe i do work for "officials" as you may call them; but i am merely posting here as my knowledge on these Reptilians is very limited and i would like to know more which i now do know.

As for my real identity, well this is the internet. Who knows who's watching...

[woghd]

Art and sculpture is not evidence of the existence of reptiles though is it?

By that argument you could say that wooly mammoths never existed because there are cave paintings of them. Of course art and sculpture are evidence!


You have previously said that you and your mates have come across a lot of bogus footage, that debunking it is what you do, but that you were stumped by Reptile Woman and that's where it changed for you. So you can't have it both ways.

I don't know what this gobblygook is supposed to mean. This is word-salad.


Verbal debunking may not count, but damagedbrainn's poll speaks volumes as to what people think of Reptile Woman.

A thousand clowns out of work, and you're trying to be a comedian! With all the multiple accounts that they used, they still couldn't pull off a majority. Are you kidding me? *I* didn't even vote "Yes" on that idiotic poll. C'mon man, you accept that poll as SCIENTIFIC, yet you won't accept Reptile Woman, which has passed ten or twelve serious attempts to debunk it? That moronic poll wouldn't be admissable in court, but reptile woman *would*. Think about it. Your bias is showing.


These testimonies are usually referred to, but rarely examined in depth. Very few have gone on camera to talk about their experiences. And it's all very contradictory, don't you think?

No, I see no contradictions at all. All I see is an evergrowing pile of evidence that skeptics are trying desperately to ignore, like a big fat gorilla in the corner. We are supposed to just pretend it isn't there.

So try it. :) Impeach Dubya, and make a name for yourself like Jim Garrison.

OMG...please don't tell me that you think Oswald was a lone gunman too. because I've got some more crappy grainy footage to show you. In fact it's even worse quality than Reptile Woman...it's called the Zapruder film.

Archangel

[seer74]

get 'em Woghd, get 'em!!!

[seer74]

As for shapeshifting and reptillians, its a fantasy guys, that is all.

and just how do you know that? proving that something doesn't exist is impossible. to prove something you need evidence right? if something does not exist then there will be no evidence, and no proof. no proof means you therefore do not know.

anyway the evidence is that they DO exist.

there's no evidence that they don't. and there's no evidence that ANYTHING does not exist. duh!!!

[on the road]

and just how do you know that? proving that something doesn't exist is impossible. to prove something you need evidence right? if something does not exist then there will be no evidence, and no proof. no proof means you therefore do not know.

anyway the evidence is that they DO exist.

there's no evidence that they don't. and there's no evidence that ANYTHING does not exist. duh!!!

nonsense ,there is no REAL evidence.

thats what this subject needs.

[seer74]

nonsense ,there is no REAL evidence.

thats what this subject needs.

eyewitness testimony is not evidence? unaltered video footage is not evidence?

[on the road]

eyewitness testimony is not evidence? unaltered video footage is not evidence?

Its a hard one this because I am open minded but I really need to see some proper proof.I'm more inclined to believe the stories rather than the videos.

Infact its the videos that make it more hard to believe because not one of them do this subject any good what-so-ever.

Thats right ,the more I see of these (to me) bullshit videos , the more I think its pure dis/misinfo.

[woghd]

nonsense ,there is no REAL evidence.

thats what this subject needs.

I couldn't disagree more. Saying theres no evidence is asking us to ignore the big fat gorilla in the corner.

There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence. Enough that if somebody went to court with it, a judge would rule that they exist. To disprove reptilians one would have to tear down a lot of witnesses, scientifically disprove over 100 videos (which can't be done), and discredit about 5000 years of recorded history from cultures all over the world.

Archangel

[tinmenace]

"...why can't we 'feel' and 'know' our reality instead of insisting that the conditioned and manipulated mind must be the only arbiter of 'truth' through the production of evidence that it believes to be 'proof'? What is 'proof', anyway? Proof is only that which the conditioned mind accepts to be so...." - David Icke, Tales From The Time Loop (http://www.davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=3/affiliate/idevaffiliate.php?id=288_0_1_7)

[woghd]

Thats right ,the more I see of these (to me) bullshit videos , the more I think its pure dis/misinfo.

If these videos are so bad, why can't anyone scientifically disprove any of them? None have been shown to be photoshopped or anything, and before people start in about quality, I'll remind folks that most of them were filmed in major studios with the best equipment available.

Archangel

[adimon]

I couldn't disagree more. Saying theres no evidence is asking us to ignore the big fat gorilla in the corner.

There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence. Enough that if somebody went to court with it, a judge would rule that they exist. To disprove reptilians one would have to tear down a lot of witnesses, scientifically disprove over 100 videos (which can't be done), and discredit about 5000 years of recorded history from cultures all over the world.

Archangel

Then take the mountain to court. Simple. :)

[on the road]

If these videos are so bad, why can't anyone scientifically disprove any of them? None have been shown to be photoshopped or anything, and before people start in about quality, I'll remind folks that most of them were filmed in major studios with the best equipment available.

Archangel

If most were filmed in major studios wouldnt the picture quality be better than it is ?
I would love to see a rep vid that blows me away I really would but I'm just not feeling it with these vids.
I think I read that you were going to interview the reptile woman -hows that getting on?

[adimon]

I think I read that you were going to interview the reptile woman -hows that getting on?

I've been taking that with a pinch of salt since he said it. He's changed his story twice.

[on the road]

I've been taking that with a pinch of salt since he said it. He's changed his story twice.

Right I'll have to find the bleeding thing now ,gutted :)

[woghd]

I've been taking that with a pinch of salt since he said it. He's changed his story twice.

Well, that's because the story has changed twice. The girl is a difficult number to pin down. We keep going around and around and the interview keeps getting pushed back. It's quite frustrating. We keep giving her the opportunity to say "No", because it would be easier if we could just say the interview is off, but the door remains open, and discussions continue, and that means the interview is still on.

Archangel

[on the road]

Well, that's because the story has changed twice. The girl is a difficult number to pin down. We keep going around and around and the interview keeps getting pushed back. It's quite frustrating. We keep giving her the opportunity to say "No", because it would be easier if we could just say the interview is off, but the door remains open, and discussions continue, and that means the interview is still on.

Archangel

sounds good

[woghd]

Lets get back on topic.

There is so much shapeshifter evidence that it's mind boggling. The amount of shapeshifter evidence that has been scientifically debunked is ZERO.

None.

I submit that anyone who does NOT believe in Shapeshifting reptilians should either a) Start believing it or b) scientifically debunk something.

Because waving your hand and blowing the subject off as "crazy" isn't enough anymore.

Archangel

[helloperator]

This completely ignores the MASSIVE amount of evidence out there.

Allow me to reiterate:
First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

MASSIVE amount? Video evidence? and your sig proports the original reptilian woman? What evidence supports that? If you had footage that shows clear proof, like say the wtc7 footage shows, of a controlled demolition...then sure! But you don't have anything remotely close. I wanna see some!

Scientific? What does that mean?

Disproven? Sure...by scientific evidence? Scientific?

Overwhelming?

Show me some

[rossus]

Well, it's obvious aliens are real, I mean, consider the trillions of planets that are out there, of course there has to be another life form out there, with technologies, societies etc.
i used to believe this as well, but not anymore.

it's not because there are millions of planets,
there has to be "life" on at least one other planet...

that kind of reasoning gives a false sense of being right.
the truth is I don't know :)

[megafish33]

First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

Where can I find all of this in recorded history? Is there a website or a researcher that consolidates all this info? Would be interesting to see if there is a list with proofs, dates, and legends translated into modern English/other modern language.

[i_am]

Hi all

I know we have a nice little side conspiracy theory going on here but could we please get back to the topic.

thanks :)

[kerbnix]

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)


You do not need to scientifically debunk an anomoly in a video. I work with video, the compression and bit rates have massive effects on the quality of a video when it is slowed down. The videos where peoples eyes change a wee bit or where some of the image is blurred is not conclusive that a race of reptiles from the 5th dimension can shapeshift to look like humans in an attempt to enslave mankind. I'm sorry but that just doesn't cut the mustard.

[seer74]

You do not need to scientifically debunk an anomoly in a video. I work with video, the compression and bit rates have massive effects on the quality of a video when it is slowed down. The videos where peoples eyes change a wee bit or where some of the image is blurred is not conclusive that a race of reptiles from the 5th dimension can shapeshift to look like humans in an attempt to enslave mankind. I'm sorry but that just doesn't cut the mustard.

I am actually with you in regards to what the video evidence proves.

The video evidence is completely secondary to the real solid evidence, namely the fact that every one of the early civilisations state that this is who gave them civilisation, the fact that world is ruled through secret societies that date back to these initial conquests, and the ever mounting eye-witness reports. The earth and its inhabitants are under the complete dominion of the Serpent and this a solid fact. This, in fact, is not just an attempt to enslave mankind - it has been quite successful for thousands of years now.

In fact the great difficulty that so many people have believeing in such obvious realities as alternated dimensions, non-human intelligence, etc. is further proof of their domination.

[woghd]

You do not need to scientifically debunk an anomoly in a video. I work with video, the compression and bit rates have massive effects on the quality of a video when it is slowed down. The videos where peoples eyes change a wee bit or where some of the image is blurred is not conclusive that a race of reptiles from the 5th dimension can shapeshift to look like humans in an attempt to enslave mankind. I'm sorry but that just doesn't cut the mustard.

They are evidence. Some evidence is better than others. Some of it is blurry, others are crystal clear. Some is compressed, some is not. It's all evidence tho, until debunked. Now add that to the massive amounts of recorded history and historical evidence. Some of that is better than others too. Now add that huge pile to the eyewitness accounts. Get it yet? There is a massive amount of evidence out there that supports the fact that Reptilian Shapeshifters are a reality. Pick apart a video if you like, or re-interpret an ancient drawing, or call an eyewitness a nut, it still won't matter. At this point there is JUST TOO MUCH EVIDENCE TO DEBUNK.

It's an avalanche of truth.

Archangel

[seer74]

Yeah, Close the "Sb Priest" sideline on here. I consider myself pretty open minded, although that could be me being equally narrow in my view on life, any way, I think that if there are reps, it is more a case of some sort of intelligence dabbling with "our" dimensions, I.E : DEMONS :eek:

and to that I say call them what you want their real. and I in fact find the terminology "demon" quite appropriate and have reffered to the purebloods as such before. yes it is an interdimensional phenomena we're reffering to

[friendsinthesky]

What famous painting hangs on the wall in Stranger's Bar?

Do you even know this? If so, PM me the answer.

I can understand why people are suspicious, have patience and do not doubt.


LOL, it's obvious from the get go, that you are simply [2]. Amatuer!

[woghd]

Just cut the new thread right here:

Why shapeshifters have been proven REAL

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First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel
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[metalwarrior]

While I a pretty open to the idea I am skeptical of somethings.

1. Many things have been seen in the middle ages, reported and belived; such as the existance of people with no heads but faces on their torsos to name one, gryphons, dragons, phynixes, faries, unicorns etc... while each being posiably based off 'something' doesn't mean they exist as they reported them to be and are were at best increadbly far off from what actualy was. Even up to the 1700's people belived that animals could be produced from spontanous generation, a peice of meat could turn into magots, or grain could turn into mice, I could write a hundred pages and still not cover even fraction of all the nonsense stupidiy that was rampent durring earlyer times such as the middle ages (a lot of people are pretty stupid to this day, but by comparison to previous eras I think some improvement is happening).

2. The you-tube stuff doesn't prove much of anything other then if something is blurry and of low quality enough, and with help of paranoia/imagination, you can see ANYTHING. I would take a personal account of someone saying they saw something with their own eyes, over some blurry obscure nonsense. For a frame a pixilated eye sortof has a slit to it, that doesn't say much of anything other then mabey the person has slit eyes, which could mean they are a cat as much as anything else, mabey some shaman magic they are doing is contecting them with a spirit animal or something. Point being is that its best to have clarity over something being increadably vauge, if something is blurry or pixilated enough it can look like anything (or that it could be something).

Could be certain creatures (bigfoot, nesse reptilians) emit a aura that makes all photographs/videos blurry and out of focus if so its a very potant ability that is very good at keeping their existancce secret. Or mabey naturaly they are blurry even if we were to look at them with our own eyes.

"look out, out of focus monster runnnn!!!"

[woghd]

While I a pretty open to the idea I am skeptical of somethings.

1. Many things have been seen in the middle ages, reported and belived; such as the existance of people with no heads but faces on their torsos to name one, gryphons, dragons, phynixes, faries, unicorns etc... while each being posiably based off 'something' doesn't mean they exist as they reported them to be and are were at best increadbly far off from what actualy was. Even up to the 1700's people belived that animals could be produced from spontanous generation, a peice of meat could turn into magots, or grain could turn into mice, I could write a hundred pages and still not cover even fraction of all the nonsense stupidiy that was rampent durring earlyer times such as the middle ages (a lot of people are pretty stupid to this day, but by comparison to previous eras I think some improvement is happening).

2. The you-tube stuff doesn't prove much of anything other then if something is blurry and of low quality enough, and with help of paranoia/imagination, you can see ANYTHING. I would take a personal account of someone saying they saw something with their own eyes, over some blurry obscure nonsense. For a frame a pixilated eye sortof has a slit to it, that doesn't say much of anything other then mabey the person has slit eyes, which could mean they are a cat as much as anything else, mabey some shaman magic they are doing is contecting them with a spirit animal or something. Point being is that its best to have clarity over something being increadably vauge, if something is blurry or pixilated enough it can look like anything (or that it could be something).

Could be certain creatures (bigfoot, nesse reptilians) emit a aura that makes all photographs/videos blurry and out of focus if so its a very potant ability that is very good at keeping their existancce secret. Or mabey naturaly they are blurry even if we were to look at them with our own eyes.

"look out, out of focus monster runnnn!!!"

Actually, most of the videos are of extremely high quality, being filed at professional studios with expensive equipment. Most are downloadable directly from the news sites where they were made. No need to view them on Youtube at all.

Archangel

[adimon]

While I a pretty open to the idea I am skeptical of somethings.

1. Many things have been seen in the middle ages, reported and belived; such as the existance of people with no heads but faces on their torsos to name one, gryphons, dragons, phynixes, faries, unicorns etc... while each being posiably based off 'something' doesn't mean they exist as they reported them to be and are were at best increadbly far off from what actualy was. Even up to the 1700's people belived that animals could be produced from spontanous generation, a peice of meat could turn into magots, or grain could turn into mice, I could write a hundred pages and still not cover even fraction of all the nonsense stupidiy that was rampent durring earlyer times such as the middle ages (a lot of people are pretty stupid to this day, but by comparison to previous eras I think some improvement is happening).

2. The you-tube stuff doesn't prove much of anything other then if something is blurry and of low quality enough, and with help of paranoia/imagination, you can see ANYTHING. I would take a personal account of someone saying they saw something with their own eyes, over some blurry obscure nonsense. For a frame a pixilated eye sortof has a slit to it, that doesn't say much of anything other then mabey the person has slit eyes, which could mean they are a cat as much as anything else, mabey some shaman magic they are doing is contecting them with a spirit animal or something. Point being is that its best to have clarity over something being increadably vauge, if something is blurry or pixilated enough it can look like anything (or that it could be something).

Could be certain creatures (bigfoot, nesse reptilians) emit a aura that makes all photographs/videos blurry and out of focus if so its a very potant ability that is very good at keeping their existancce secret. Or mabey naturaly they are blurry even if we were to look at them with our own eyes.

"look out, out of focus monster runnnn!!!"

Excellent post. One of the points your post highlights is the increase in 'sightings' since the dawn of YouTube. Don't make no sense at all. People with too much time on their hands IMO.

Sorry Caesar, no offence, just being honest. :)

Adimon, I had a quick look, didn't want to look weird by going round Stranglers Bar looking at all the pictures in detail.

Oh, and why is it urgent for this thread to be split? It's not harming anyone is it?

Why you look weird in Strangers Bar if you're an MP? I can't give any more clues. Why not take a photo of being inside the bar and post it here?

[shellygurrrl]

Shape Shifting is absolutely real. Everything is energy and vibration.

Take a look at this very simplified example of shape shifting.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/416486/salt_sound_waves/

Absolutely fascinating!

[lizzy]

Absolutely fascinating!
cool vid.....sound vibration and that's the level that we CAN hear. I sometimes worry about the ones we can't.LOL
lizzy

[woghd]

Excellent post. One of the points your post highlights is the increase in 'sightings' since the dawn of YouTube. Don't make no sense at all. People with too much time on their hands IMO.

Sorry Caesar, no offence, just being honest. :)



Why you look weird in Strangers Bar if you're an MP? I can't give any more clues. Why not take a photo of being inside the bar and post it here?

Very few (just 2 or 3 out of over 100) of the reptilian videos originate on youtube. The quality only gets better, and the shapeshifting more apparent, when you look at the original footage, which is generally some news site. So the whole "youtube argument" is fallacious. Youtube has been very good at propagating and expanding awareness, but don't start thinking that youtube is actually generating these videos. It's just the best place (next to realshapeshifters.com) to find them.

Archangel

[friendsinthesky]

aaaFirst and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Where is this photographic evidence?

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

..hasn't been disproven you say. But has it been proven? NO!

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

Yeah, plenty of people have also seen mary (mother of jesus) oh and why not, many have seen jesus, apparently.


These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone.

Yeah right, of course. But not Arizona?

Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians.

Yes of course, But there aren't enough (or dumb enough) members reading your post to be overwhelmingly convinced with the "evidence".


Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

Oh please!


REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Yes, but not in the way you portray them to be....


Archangel

[woghd]

Originally Posted by woghd
First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Where is this photographic evidence?

Do some research. There was photographic evidence long before video evidence. And before that, a MASSIVE amount of historical records! Please do not ignore the generations before us. Shapeshifting reptilians are found in every culture of mankind that has ever existed.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

..hasn't been disproven you say. But has it been proven? NO!

You obviously know very little about how evidence works. You say "There's no such thing as a reptilian shapeshifter" That throws the burden of proof onto me, then I produce a video of one, throwing the burden of proof back onto you. Then you disprove the video by showing that it was photoshopped or somesuch, and the burden of proof lands back on me. That's how it works in a court of law anywhere in the world. You don't "prove" evidence. The video *IS* the proof, until scientifically disproven.


Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

Yeah, plenty of people have also seen mary (mother of jesus) oh and why not, many have seen jesus, apparently.

Eyewitness testimony in a court is valued above video evidence...

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone.

Yeah right, of course. But not Arizona?

Can't speak for Arizona, but it's prolly true there too.


Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians.

Yes of course, But there aren't enough (or dumb enough) members reading your post to be overwhelmingly convinced with the "evidence".

No need to be insulting. Insults are the first sign that you are losing an argument, so stop, because I'm not done with you yet. I cannot be held responsible for who is, or is not, convinced by the overwhelming mountain of evidence. I can only say that it has convinced ME.


Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

Oh please!


REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Yes, but not in the way you portray them to be....


I don't portray anything. I just throw the video on the table and let people draw their own conclusions. If somebody someday disproves one of them, then there will be room for discussion, but until some videos are disproven, we have to go with them, because they are the BEST EVIDENCE of shapeshifting reptilians we have.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[john white]

SP Side conspiracy

Thread here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15094

Please carry on there peeps

[friendsinthesky]

No need to be insulting. Insults are the first sign that you are losing an argument, so stop, because I'm not done with you yet. I cannot be held responsible for who is, or is not, convinced by the overwhelming mountain of evidence. I can only say that it has convinced ME.


It wasn't meant to be insulting.

..am I prepared to give you my time?

Oh and the rest of your post I may respond to because it's just alittle cheap.

[friendsinthesky]

one for the road..For those who wish information on Reptilian people, rather than waste my time, please check the entertainment sections of major bookstores or visit the local zoo and look up these particular categories: Crocodilia, Squamata, Rhynchocephalia, and Testudines. If the department head is in good form he may answer some questions, depending on how hot or cold-blooded he feels at the time, but generally he's a good egg. Don't show off your knowledge on the subject, because he may become green with envy and give you a watered down story. Failing that, have a hypnotist see if you're highly suggestible or ponder this profound statement by Adam Weishaupt:

"Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"

..oh and woghd, why is it that you think reptilians are here and are privvy to shape shifting?

[pistrawkeyberbryum]

Hmmm, so it's a portrait, you're not talking about the painting of Sir Charles Barry or Pugin in the Pugin Room?

[woghd]

FACT: There is a GIGANTIC mountain of evidence supporting the existance of shapeshifting reptilians. Good evidence. The kind that would be admissable in court.

FACT: None of this evidence, especially the video evidence, has ever been disproven (with science and reality- not just armchair talk)

FACT: This mountain of evidence must be completely ignored by skeptics who claim that shapeshifting reptilians do not exist.

The time has passed where skeptics can simply wave their hand and say "this is ridiculous, so it can't be true". The time has passed where a skeptic can get away with using wit, or telling a joke, and getting chuckles from the audience rather than address the evidence. There is too much evidence now. It's like a big gorilla in the corner that everyone is supposed to simply ignore. The burden of proof is now on the skeptics to either scientifically disprove some of the evidence and data, or re-evaluate their ideas about reptilians. If somebody someday disproves some evidence, then there will be room for discussion, but until something is disproven, reptilians exist, and there's really not much to discuss.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[friendsinthesky]

FACT: There is a GIGANTIC mountain of evidence supporting the existance of shapeshifting reptilians. Good evidence. The kind that would be admissable in court.

FACT: None of this evidence, especially the video evidence, has ever been disproven (with science and reality- not just armchair talk)

FACT: This mountain of evidence must be completely ignored by skeptics who claim that shapeshifting reptilians do not exist.

The time has passed where skeptics can simply wave their hand and say "this is ridiculous, so it can't be true". The time has passed where a skeptic can get away with using wit, or telling a joke, and getting chuckles from the audience rather than address the evidence. There is too much evidence now. It's like a big gorilla in the corner that everyone is supposed to simply ignore. The burden of proof is now on the skeptics to either scientifically disprove some of the evidence and data, or re-evaluate their ideas about reptilians. If somebody someday disproves some evidence, then there will be room for discussion, but until something is disproven, reptilians exist, and there's really not much to discuss.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

(1)why do you think reptilians are here ?

(2)and why do you think reptilians are privvy to shape shifting ?

[metalwarrior]

Very few (just 2 or 3 out of over 100) of the reptilian videos originate on youtube. The quality only gets better, and the shapeshifting more apparent, when you look at the original footage, which is generally some news site. So the whole "youtube argument" is fallacious. Youtube has been very good at propagating and expanding awareness, but don't start thinking that youtube is actually generating these videos. It's just the best place (next to realshapeshifters.com) to find them.

Archangel

It is not so much the quality of the video (like the one on your signature), but that not much of anything happens that would be outside of the range of normal glitches with a moderatly grainy u-tube video. if I saw something like this http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/reptilian(2).jpg in a video even if its moderatly pixilated like the one in your sig I could say byond a doubt that it is actualy is clearly reptilian (to see a person change into that would be sight to see, no?).

It is not so much quality of the video (which is lacking on a lot of you-tube like stuff), or the quanity, but the content which is most important.

A hundred grainy videos of people with sort of slit eyes, are a still hundred grainy videos of people with sort of slit eyes for a millsecond.

And furthermore children with the harlequin birth defect (wickapedia it)... .are um yea gross but is a birth defect like any other... and not a indication of a alien which normal people look more like then they are (some of the other ones are realy gross too, and I will avoid looking into it at all costs) but once again is not a http://netrite.ca/robodeath/dragon%20man.jpg

[woghd]

It is not so much the quality of the video (like the one on your signature), but that not much of anything happens that would be outside of the range of normal glitches with a moderatly grainy u-tube video. if I saw something like this http://www.illuminati-news.com/graphics/reptilian(2).jpg in a video even if its moderatly pixilated like the one in your sig I could say byond a doubt that it is actualy is clearly reptilian (to see a person change into that would be sight to see, no?).

It is not so much quality of the video (which is lacking on a lot of you-tube like stuff), or the quanity, but the content which is most important.

A hundred grainy videos of people with sort of slit eyes, are a still hundred grainy videos of people with sort of slit eyes for a millsecond.

And furthermore children with the harlequin birth defect (wickapedia it)... .are um yea gross but is a birth defect like any other... and not a indication of a alien which normal people look more like then they are (some of the other ones are realy gross too, and I will avoid looking into it at all costs) but once again is not a http://netrite.ca/robodeath/dragon%20man.jpg

Sorry if the videos aren't entertaining enough. There's no video of an alien coming out of a UFO and abducting somebody either, nor is there video of a sasquatch dancing the macarena and blowing kisses into the camera.

But we do have a girl looking straight into the camera at close range in detail with no fuzziness, and with clearly slitted yellow eyes. You can only draw three conclusions here.
1. She slipped in contacts somehow.
2. It's been digitally manipulated
3. You are looking at a shapeshift.

...and that is just ONE piece of imagry in that video! There's something like 200 in the whole thing. You can't honestly think they are all coincidental, can you? (I don't know, maybe you can, but I can't) Have you EVER seen a "glitch" that behaved this way?

Now that video aside. There are some VERY HIGH QUALITY videos out there that show not only eye evidence, but tooth and skin evidence, as well as behavioral evidence. Check out the link in the behavioral evidence thread.

Archangel

[julieray]

I haven't personally seen anything at all, but given the fact that reptiles have been found painted on the walls of the pyramids and there was a african society that had been met by amphibian looking people many years ago (sorry can't remember the name) but they knew more about the galaxy than we did at that time with all our techology. These people were not evil but as David Icke says and stresses quite a lot that not every reptilian has an alternative agenda. The trouble is how do we know a good one from a bad one??

[metalwarrior]

The point I was talking about (with the images) was that you (and others) are advocating the exitance of a particular alien species which more or less looks similar to the first image I put down. Evideince of that creature/being would be a very grainy picture with eyes that sort of look like sits, all of the pictures which show this eye are pretty to very grainy or pixilated. Assuming that pupils have realy changed shape, that doesn't indicate a person could be some sort of reptilian (sentient alien species superficialy resembling humanoid forms of certain reptiles and likes eating people) in desguise; providing the changes contiued to progress, mabey the person changes into a cat? Of mabey their spirt animal is a gecko (a actual terestial reptile animal that would be considered non-sentient and whos existance is disputed by no one, and is not planing on taking over the world) and they are using gecko power? Point is speculation is speculation, and you will see whatever you want to see regardless of what actualy is thier.

The video is pretty grainy, I am pretty sure if you made a simmilar video of yourself with a digital recorder with as poor quality with grain pixiles and contrast, (and a camera man holding as intoxicated), in a room of poor lighting, you can see yourself probably for a moment apearing monsterous too.

A form of evidence similar equaly valad to speculations of grainy videos and images woud be showing off a photograph whith the red eye effect and saying "aha, the camera reveals their true red eyes indicating they are a demon/reptilian in desguise as a human, I will expose the existance of reptilians to the WORLD!!!!!!!!!"

and this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWeoc53XRMI is not pixiated but realy blurry, furthermore nothing happens. People are old and or ugly, not all face is not shaped perfectly, decay happens over time, when you reach 50-60's or older people will comment on how your face resanbles more and more like a sea-elephant thats life, people do not get younger, wi?

I don't get the accociation of a reptian species with old and ugly people, they could have apearances as good if not reletively better then most people http://abelarddark.deviantart.com/art/Reptilian-self-27556236

of course this is all speculation, and a bit of humor thrown in ; P

[woghd]

and this video http://youtube.com/watch?v=mWeoc53XRMI is not pixiated but realy blurry, furthermore nothing happens. People are old and or ugly, not all face is not shaped perfectly, decay happens over time, when you reach 50-60's or older people will comment on how your face resanbles more and more like a sea-elephant thats life, people do not get younger, wi?
; P

That video is actually one of my favorites, because it's a whole room full of reptilians. It was taken at great risk with a tie-pin camera. Terrible eye evidence, but very good skin and behavioral evidence. Did you not see their hands turn into claws? Five fingers merging into three, or the "finglonger effect" where some of the fingers grow to bizarre size? And claw-like? How can you look at that video and miss a finger that's a foot long? Did you even watch it?

Archangel

[metalwarrior]

The moment the finger looks biger then usual is because it is closer to the camera then the other chick who is looked at a lot of the video. the fingers that are visable change varrying opon the angle.

Though the fingers (and everying in the video) is realy blurry if you look at it full view, her whole hand merges into one blob of fleshy blur... so does that mean she olny has one finger?

But mabey at one point it does look like two of the fingers merge, which could be because of the blur, which I pointed out before that many creatures such as bigfoot, and reptilians have a aura of blurryness that obscures their presence, or mabey they are naturaly blurry creatures, if so blurryness is proof of a reptilian.

and if something is moving it becomes even blurryer, adding to the allready high levels of blur.

"hey did you see this you-tube video, the person has scales all over their body that are in the shape of squares, almost like pixles, but I think they are scales that guy is a reptilian".

It is a posiability that their could be some sort of minor shape shifting, but with all the blur and pixles it can't be rulled out that its not just the effect of blur and pixles. If the actual change was greater (check reference pictures I put around earlyer : P ), or the quality better it would work beter for definative proof. Saying that it is proof is a pretty big stretch, if you exaderate, lie or fabercating proof of something, that would make you (and others) going down to the same path and actions people part of a NWO who base their power out of lies follow, no? Where would be the differance?

[woghd]

Saying that it is proof is a pretty big stretch, if you exaderate, lie or fabercating proof of something, that would make you (and others) going down to the same path and actions people part of a NWO who base their power out of lies follow, no? Where would be the differance?

I actually agree with you on this. That is why I use the word EVIDENCE and not the word PROOF. Some evidence is better than others. Eyewitness accounts are also evidence. Would you be more inclined to believe a blurry video if somebody said "Hey I was there, and he DID form scales for a second" of course you would. That is why we try to collect as much evidence as we can, filter out the bad, keep the good, and hopefully put them all together one day like a puzzle. I personally believe there is more than enough evidence to equal proof. But will keep collecting evidence anyway because some folks just need a little more.

Archangel

[seaweed]

That video is actually one of my favorites, because it's a whole room full of reptilians. It was taken at great risk with a tie-pin camera. Terrible eye evidence, but very good skin and behavioral evidence. Did you not see their hands turn into claws? Five fingers merging into three, or the "finglonger effect" where some of the fingers grow to bizarre size? And claw-like? How can you look at that video and miss a finger that's a foot long? Did you even watch it?

Archangel

I actually think the most telling part of this video is where Hilary suddenly looks 'caught out' and touches her face as if to push it back into shape (shift) ! :eek:

And all the while her constant wide-mouth laughter looks as if she's deliberately trying to act as if displaying 'normal' reactions and emotions. Do you think she knew she was being filmed and was putting on a show? i.e. 'you won't catch me out,' while actually dropping herself in it by acting so oddly.

Best,

Seaweed

[irak]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15168

look i have a shapeshifting avatar

[woghd]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15168

look i have a shapeshifting avatar

If that thread had any truth to it, you wouldn't have to spam it all over the place. That stupid crap was so easy to debunk it was laughable.
Now please stay on topic.

...and yes, it was funny watching Hillary shove her face back into place, that's my SECOND favorite part of that video.

Archangel

[helloperator]

That video is actually one of my favorites, because it's a whole room full of reptilians. It was taken at great risk with a tie-pin camera. Terrible eye evidence, but very good skin and behavioral evidence. Did you not see their hands turn into claws? Five fingers merging into three, or the "finglonger effect" where some of the fingers grow to bizarre size? And claw-like? How can you look at that video and miss a finger that's a foot long? Did you even watch it?

Archangel

I don't see shit except for some bitch painting on a smile like some kind of leering moron

[woghd]

Well that vid is actually more about behavioral and skin evidence than anything else. If you focus on the face and eyes, you'll miss a lot.

Archangel

[helloperator]

I focused on all of it many times. It's got shit all mate.

You slow a grainy vid down and repeat sections ad nauseum and you got yourself a spooky, eerie piece of footage...just like the one of the girl in your sig.

I want you to post some REAL proof...something with as many tell tale signs to reptilian life as wtc7 has to controlled demo

[woghd]

I focused on all of it many times. It's got shit all mate.

You slow a grainy vid down and repeat sections ad nauseum and you got yourself a spooky, eerie piece of footage...just like the one of the girl in your sig.

I want you to post some REAL proof...something with as many tell tale signs to reptilian life as wtc7 has to controlled demo

Again, we don't use the word "proof". It's evidence. None of these videos are proof of anything, any more than a video of WTC7 is proof of anything. It's evidence.

If you don't see anything in the videos it's because your mind is closed. Just like somebody with a closed mind can look at a video of ETC7 and "Not see anything"

It's called denial. But that's ok, I don't hold it against you. It's hard for a LOT of people to wrap their mind around the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. The last thing I want to do is push my views onto you, so it's all good. Hopefully as shapeshifting evidence becomes strongerand stronger, more people will see, but if not, that's ok too. I respect your decision not to believe in shapeshifters, my freind.

Be well,

Archangel

[woghd]

There is a massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence. This in and of itself should be proof enough to anyone with an open mind. It's impossible for all of this to be a coincidence.

Also there is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count) More and more people are finding shapeshifters everyday.

And there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

If you went to a court with this evidence, and put it vs. the evidence *against* shapeshifters, the evidence in favor would win. There is just sooooo much of it, it's an avalache of truth that buries the skeptics.

Archangel

[friendsinthesky]

It's about time this thread shapeshits itself into the rant room, where it belongs.

[woghd]

Stop Baiting. Nobody is ranting.
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The fact of the matter is that there are many, many, many other kinds evidence that we have not even disussed. There is SOOOOOOO much evidence out there its like an avalanche...

...an avalanche of truth.

Archange

[deano]

most are bogus though

for example i was watching 'terminator' special features tonight and i zoomed in on one of the interviews and paused the dvd. i then moved through the frames one by one. his eyes did appear to have slits and then move back again. but that was just an illusion i assure you. try it yourself and you will have the same results.

im not saying reptilians arnt real but i think some people on here get carried away. and to avoid being a laughing stock i think more care is needed when investigating these videos.

[woghd]

most are bogus though

for example i was watching 'terminator' special features tonight and i zoomed in on one of the interviews and paused the dvd. i then moved through the frames one by one. his eyes did appear to have slits and then move back again. but that was just an illusion i assure you. try it yourself and you will have the same results.

im not saying reptilians arnt real but i think some people on here get carried away. and to avoid being a laughing stock i think more care is needed when investigating these videos.

Deano you are exactly right. That's why none of our videos have only a single type of eveidence. Eye evidence may be exciting, but it MUST be combined with other types of evidence if a video is to be credible, in my opinion. The best videos display all types of evidence in a single video. ...and honestly those are the ones that creep me out.

Archangel

[woghd]

The debunkers would have folks believe that the entire movement to expose reptilians spawned from the reptile woman video, but that's BS sensationalism. It's not just eye evidence, it's everything.

Why are shapeshifting reptilians undeniably real?

First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. If we are talking about evidence that would be permissable in a courtroom, then maybe the debunkers should start taking this evidence seriously.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[humanswin]

Anyone who has paid attention to the youtube videos can see that I released my bush reptilian video first.Boy did that create a sensation...subsequently,woghd released a jokey video called reptile woman,most likely to capitalize on bush videos success...most people quickly saw that reptile woman was obviously fake,some people were fooled,but that will happen(a sucker born every minute)...now how the hell did reptile woman start any movement,other than to the movement to discredit reptilian theory?...the funniest thing ,woghd acts like his video means something other than a few people can be fooled .

[alice1111]

First and formost is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

Second is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

Third, there is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

They are real.

[tinmenace]

They are real.

Absolutely!

[humanswin]

They are real,real sketchy..no evidence..get real,you can never prove anything with crappy video...except that some people will lap anything up.Ha ha,I debated for months whether to release the bush video,even though it is seriously compelling.If I knew that a slew of fake videos with their idiot following would have insued,I would have even further reservations about releasing it...at least all this phony crap never would exist now.Way to go, united liarism has come ashore.

[lizzy]

They are real,real sketchy..no evidence..get real,you can never prove anything with crappy video...except that some people will lap anything up.Ha ha,I debated for months whether to release the bush video,even though it is seriously compelling.If I knew that a slew of fake videos with their idiot following would have insued,I would have even further reservations about releasing it...at least all this phony crap never would exist now.Way to go, united liarism has come ashore.

I am aboard with you.
This reppie crap is just what the NWO want the 'enlightened", LOL to believe.

[abrilliantone]

Then why haven't any of these shape shifters sue Mr. Icke for slander, defamation of character yet?

[woghd]

Then why haven't any of these shape shifters sue Mr. Icke for slander, defamation of character yet?

I know, lol, these people have more money than god, yet we are to believe that they (and ALL of them) will put up with a guy openly calling them alien shape-shifting reptilian satanic kidnapping vampiric child killing cannabals.

Yeah right. There's only one reason not to file a lawsuit and that's because it would open the door to a lot of independent investigations into these things and they don't exactly want people looking deeper.

Archangel

[abrilliantone]

I know, lol, these people have more money than god, yet we are to believe that they (and ALL of them) will put up with a guy openly calling them alien shape-shifting reptilian satanic kidnapping vampiric child killing cannabals.

Yeah right. There's only one reason not to file a lawsuit and that's because it would open the door to a lot of independent investigations into these things and they don't exactly want people looking deeper.

Archangel

exactly bud ;) now let's see them debunk that :D

[humanswin]

I am aboard with you.
This reppie crap is just what the NWO want the 'enlightened", LOL to believe.

Lizzie what really gets me is the fact this guy puts out an obviously fake video,then spends all his time pimping his video,his website and says he stands for united truthism..now that is some funny shit!Woghd you started no movement except the phony video movement...you only did anything because you saw my bush video was a hit.Fess up right here right now...my bush video is titled reptile woman exposed..thousands of people a day are seeing exactly who and what you are.Except apparently the moderators here(more likely they dont care much)The charade should end now..tell these people here your history on the internet,it is detailed and not very flattering.

[humanswin]

Another thing about woghd is and his aliases is you almost copy word for word things I have written months ago,yeah i know,sincerist form of flattery...except seeing that people from 10 years ago are saying you did the exact same "borrowing" of words,IT'S JUST CREEPY!

[woghd]

Another thing about woghd is and his aliases is you almost copy word for word things I have written months ago,yeah i know,sincerist form of flattery...except seeing that people from 10 years ago are saying you did the exact same "borrowing" of words,IT'S JUST CREEPY!

Humanswin, you should have come to me with your concerns. That site you keep referring to has been debunked a million times. I'm not Dan Garstecki, that's been proven via my records here, as I have a premium account and an advertizing account. People in this forum, such as Adimon and others, are well aware of my real name.

You have been duped, Humanswin, you should have verified the facts. Anybody can say anything on the internet.

Here's an example:
http://starships-rpg.com/archangel/humanswin.htm

I don't hold this against you, you were lied to.

Archangel

[humanswin]

Your confused,the people who believe in you and your video have been duped.Though in fairness,that is hardly anyone in the world.I mean come on,that video is the goofiest shit I ever saw...so I am going to take the word of your advertising minions?That just proves you have paid to spread your lies here,just like others said about you and your relationship with this forum.It is the reason most people who called you on your lies here were put on warning .The thing is I dont scare,and I could care if I get banned from a place crawling with your bullshit.Who gives a rats ass if youre garstecki(you are) you still made a phony video,lie about your paranormal research team(that is the funniest of all your lies!)....so the "truth" here has a price,and a liar can run this place with some advertising money.Sickening when you think about it.

[woghd]

Sorry, I'm not Dan Garstecki, I'll prove it any way you like.

Humanswin, please stop the personal attacks. I'm not a racist, liar, congressman, child molester, kidnapper, CIA Agent, or contract killer. You need to stop quoting websites that were made by stalkers. Anybody can say anything on a website, you saw the site above, about YOU:

If you still aren't convinced, then I'm sorry. You are being USED by the people who gave you that url, and I feel very sorry for you.

You aren't "exposing" anyone, that idiotic website gets debunked every 2-3 months, and then along comes someone who thinks they've "discovered" it, and starts passing it around all over again. All you are doing is the work of a convicted stalker ten years after he himself got bored and gave up.

Be well.

Archangel

[hirschfelder]

I don't know if these videos are the goods or not. But for all those who say, 'oh it's just pixels, just a trick of the light' etc. Why not select a random video of some nobody and show the same eye effects etc?

My take on the videos is that they add to the body of evidence which suggests that there might be a reptilian angle to the conspiracy which enslaves us all

[woghd]

I don't know if these videos are the goods or not. But for all those who say, 'oh it's just pixels, just a trick of the light' etc. Why not select a random video of some nobody and show the same eye effects etc?

My take on the videos is that they add to the body of evidence which suggests that there might be a reptilian angle to the conspiracy which enslaves us all

You are exactly right, hirschfelder. We have offerred a $25,000 reward to ANYONE who can debunk these videos by reproducing the effect. Several have tried, all have given up the attempt. Bottom line is that it ISN'T pixels, trick of the light, or photoshop.

Not a single video has ever been debunked.
The videos are REAL.

Archangel

[dmessick]

Do you think the reptilians will care that I like frog legs? I wonder if they taste like chicken too. I think I just figured out a way to get rid of them, we'll eat them so they don't eat us. :)

[stormahawk]

Do you think the reptilians will care that I like frog legs? I wonder if they taste like chicken too. I think I just figured out a way to get rid of them, we'll eat them so they don't eat us. :)
lol i heard that eating them can make u really sick (not that I ate any or anything)

[woghd]

Credo Mutwa ate a grey alien, how bad can frog legs be?

Archangel
(truly, they are delicious)

[chattanova]

Credo Mutwa ate a grey alien, how bad can frog legs be?

Archangel
(truly, they are delicious)

Hey woghd:)
I've heard this too, but it doesn't make much sense compared to other of his stories, he also says 'The Greys' are just reptiles in a space/travel suits, in that case it would be a reptoid he was chewing on:p:confused:

(p.s. I might have missed out something here)

[woghd]

1 There is the massive amount of shapeshifting reptilians in recorded history. They are found in every culture, and in every time period. All the way up to today. Including photographic evidence.

2 There is the growing amount of video evidence. Dispite what some say, not a single one of these videos has been scientifically disproven. (If I'm wrong on this, I'd like to know what study was done, verbal debunking does not count)

3 There is an enormous amount of eyewitness testimony, again recorded down through the ages right up to today, from every culture.

4 These three types of evidence would hold up in a court of law. In fact many people have been convicted of various crimes on eyewitness testimony alone. Therefore, it can be said with confidence that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to support the idea of shapeshifting reptilians. Just because you haven't seen one yet doesn't mean you won't someday.

5 REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[adimon]

Hey woghd. Word for word the same as your last message isn't it.

Why don't you take the evidence which would stand up in a court of law and do something about it? :)

[woghd]

Hey woghd. Word for word the same as your last message isn't it.

Why don't you take the evidence which would stand up in a court of law and do something about it? :)

I was trying to bring the thread back on topic.
What did you have in mind? Is there a court case that you know of where a woman is claiming to have seen a reptilian and the opposite side is trying to prove she's a nut? I'd LOVE to get involved in something like that. Where do I sign up?

Archangel

[adimon]

:D

[the spackler]

Where can I find all of this in recorded history? Is there a website or a researcher that consolidates all this info? Would be interesting to see if there is a list with proofs, dates, and legends translated into modern English/other modern language.

you happen to be on his forum... duh?:confused:

You're kidding right? go read a book. watch some tv or movies. reptilian shape shifters are mentioned in almost (if not) every culture on the planet. the folklore, the religions. does the name credo mutwa mean anything. the zulu shaman talks in depth about them. ever heard of satan? odin? horus? osirus? the nagas? the dogon? reptilian shape shifters are everywhere in folklore and legend. the hopi indians in america talk about them as well...

guess you was never one much fer book learnin was ya?:D

[duncan87]

I'm new to this forum and the reptilian stuff, but I'm approaching it with an open mind. After all, it's no crazier than some of the ideas of mainstream world religions. Bread and wine into body and blood anyone? :rolleyes:

One thing that's confusing me is that some people on here are citing video evidence of shapeshifting, yet David indicates that shapeshifting is in a dimension 'beyond the five senses'. If this were the case, you couldn't see it in a video!

So what do people believe?

[woghd]

I'm new to this forum and the reptilian stuff, but I'm approaching it with an open mind. After all, it's no crazier than some of the ideas of mainstream world religions. Bread and wine into body and blood anyone? :rolleyes:

One thing that's confusing me is that some people on here are citing video evidence of shapeshifting, yet David indicates that shapeshifting is in a dimension 'beyond the five senses'. If this were the case, you couldn't see it in a video!

So what do people believe?

The camera can detect many things, ghosts etc., which exist in other dimensions. Also, as David Icke is not a cult leader, we are free to think as we wish. Many of us do not believe that shapeshifters neccessarily operate they way, in fact many of Icke's readers do not believe in shapeshifters at all.

Archangel

[friendsinthesky]

I can't understand why this shit has not entered the rant room. Keeping the faith alive ay Dave?

[hadabusa]

That video is actually one of my favorites, because it's a whole room full of reptilians. It was taken at great risk with a tie-pin camera. Terrible eye evidence, but very good skin and behavioral evidence. Did you not see their hands turn into claws? Five fingers merging into three, or the "finglonger effect" where some of the fingers grow to bizarre size? And claw-like? How can you look at that video and miss a finger that's a foot long? Did you even watch it?

Archangel

must bump this.
why isnt this in joke section yet?:D

[yass]

I went to view it but the video's been removed. The front pic kind of shows at the lips though. I bet it would have been interesting. Oh well.

[cheryl]

Some of us are very limited on our knowledge of reptilians, but you won't believe half the things that i have to filter.

Sooooo, tell us about it? :cool:

[cheryl]

Oh, I wasn't being random, I was just saying I may seem random in saying what I said. I know a lot more about Reptilians than you might think.

So what to you know?