Debunk and Disprove

[woghd]

I very good freind of mine has pointed something out to me, and I find myself forced to share it with all of my freinds here:

disprove [dis?pru?v] verb
to prove to be false or wrong
Example: His theories have been disproved by modern scientific research.


de·bunk (de--bu(ngk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To disparage, ridicule, or lampoon.

So when we are talking to each other, especially about things we do not agree on, let us not debunk that which we do not like, and ridicule another's ideas or beliefs, or lampoon them, but instead seek to disprove that which we feel may be false, not with talk, but with solid evidence and research.

Be Well.

Archangel

[h1s_l0rdsh1p]

But Where's The Fun Then?!

[edelweiss pirate]

So when we are talking to each other, especially about things we do not agree on, let us not debunk that which we do not like, and ridicule another's ideas or beliefs, or lampoon them, but instead seek to disprove that which we feel may be false, not with talk, but with solid evidence and research.

Be Well.

Archangel

God how long will this nonsense continue...?

Still, the longer you're here the longer the list grows of people who doubt your work and your sincerity...

What you seem to be attempting here is censorship, and now you don't want us to talk or criticise your videos....?

The nerve. That you would post such a thing on the Icke forum no less....

[matrixcutter]

I very good freind of mine
What a wonderful Freudian slip.

[woghd]

But Where's The Fun Then?!

I submit that being a REAL truthseeker is not an easy job. Sometimes you have to keep your mouth shut no matter HOW bad you want to speak, because you KNOW it will create a disruption that will destroy/obscure truth along with the lies you seek to correct.

It's a lot of fun to spout verbal diarrhea at subjects you disagree with, it's much less fun to prove your points with scientific evidence. That is why many things are debunked, yet few are disproven.

A REAL truth seeker will put in the extra work.

Archangel

[kblood]

I have to agree with Woghd. It is very well known that many do not believe in the reptiles. I dont even believe in them much, but I know that it is possible for them to exist, in many ways.

But for the sake of truth it would be nice to see less debunking and more actuall disproving. I have the urge to speak out against something that does not true, but without anything to disprove it, then it just becomes useless argueing.

There is many things that proves reptiles, and much logic that disproves reptiles, common logic at least. Since I have seen much common logic disproven, then I do not trust common logic and real truth to be the same.

Still if videos have been edited it should be provable, and therefore disproving some of the reptile videos. Same goes for not-reptile related issues as well of course. Sometimes debunking does lead to more people giving good arguements for why the debunking isnt justifiable though. So even debunking can have its uses, since it seems it is impossible to stop. So when debunking does happen, we might as well try to make the best out of it, or ignore it if that seems the only thing to do about it.

[thirdwave]

in the case regarding the shape shifting videos... now I am not saying I %100 think they are real...

but the thing is.. its all well saying...its the compressed video pixels making it like that... or its because its a glitch.... so on....

but for me... that may be correct but there is still no real explanation why certain shapes would appear because of that... yes we all know that happens... but what decided it to become a certain shape?

you see, and this is what David Icke actually told me when I met him...

he said.... "you know when you see a bad quality video and it moves... he said thats like shape shifting... thats how it works"

.... because our brains are like the camera and our eyes are the lens that picks up the light (code) ... there for, we see something and then something disturbs the flow of light to the brain/Camera (which the disturbance could come from within our brain also) .... so then we see the image appear as another image.. because the code has changed to what it originally is... this is how we hallucinate as well.... but why do so many see reptiles when this happens?

this is actually a scientific way of looking at it.. because that's how our eyes and brains work

and its the same with a camera ... its all well saying .."ahh its juts become depixelized"... yeah but what created the other image? ... could it be the same way as how our brains see it?

now I am just saying I am open minded to this... which is why im not mocking him... even if he was a disinfo merchant .. the concept does still actually interest me...

[graflok]

What you seem to be attempting here is censorship

Isn't that what you are trying to do with woghd's posts?

Is someone forcing you to read posts you don't want to read? Is there a
gun to your head?

Personally, I have no objection to woghd posting whatever he likes.

[woghd]

Isn't that what you are trying to do with woghd's posts?

Is someone forcing you to read posts you don't want to read? Is there a
gun to your head?

Personally, I have no objection to woghd posting whatever he likes.

begin sarcasm
Graf, you are assuming that I don't ENJOY having every one of my posts followed up with a bunch of Archangel-bashing, lies, and slanders! LOL.
end sarcasm

Actually, this reminds me of my old radio show, when psychos would make up these goofy websites that said I was a congressman, a murderer, child molester, kidnapper, etc. The fact is that anytime you are outspoken, you attract these types. It's just how it is.

I simply leave their behavior to the Mods here, they seem to be doing a pretty good job. I have no complaints. :D

Peace Love Unity and Respect,

Archangel

[graflok]

Yes, things have improved mod-wise. :)

[jimijams]

de·bunk (de--bu(ngk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To disparage, ridicule, or lampoon.

So when we are talking to each other, especially about things we do not agree on, let us not debunk that which we do not like, and ridicule another's ideas or beliefs, or lampoon them, but instead seek to disprove that which we feel may be false, not with talk, but with solid evidence and research.

Be Well.

Archangel
de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To expose or ridicule the falseness, sham, or exaggerated claims of.

Word History: One can readily see that debunk is constructed from the prefix de-, meaning "to remove," and the word bunk. But what is the origin of the word bunk, denoting the nonsense that is to be removed? Bunk came from a place where much bunk has originated, the United States Congress. During the 16th Congress (1819-1821) Felix Walker, a representative from western North Carolina whose district included Buncombe County, carried on with a dull speech in the face of protests by his colleagues. Walker later explained he had felt obligated "to make a speech for Buncombe." Such a masterful symbol for empty talk could not be ignored by the speakers of the language, and Buncombe, spelled Bunkum in its first recorded appearance in 1828 and later shortened to bunk, became synonymous with claptrap. The response to all this bunk seems to have been delayed, for debunk is not recorded until 1923.

[woghd]

Felix Walker, a representative from western North Carolina whose district included Buncombe County, carried on with a dull speech in the face of protests by his colleagues. Walker later explained he had felt obligated "to make a speech for Buncombe." .


Thanks Jimjam for finding this somewhat different definition and history of the word. It solidly makes the point that "debunking" is all about talky-talky. People who "debunk" are lampooning, deriding, or whatever, BUT IT'S ALL TALK, while "Disproving" is all about scientific evidence. To "disprove" something, one must do more than yammer on and on.

Be Well.

Archangel

[jimijams]

Thanks Jimjam for finding this somewhat different definition and history of the word.
Your welcome

Be Well.

Archangel
You too.

jimi

[lizzy]

God how long will this nonsense continue...?

Still, the longer you're here the longer the list grows of people who doubt your work and your sincerity...

What you seem to be attempting here is censorship, and now you don't want us to talk or criticise your videos....?

The nerve. That you would post such a thing on the Icke forum no less....

I agree. I just sent him a PM. I bet he does'nt answer my questions.

[lizzy]

[QUOTE=woghd;194497]I submit that being a REAL truthseeker is not an easy job. Sometimes you have to keep your mouth shut no matter HOW bad you want to speak, because you KNOW it will create a disruption that will destroy/obscure truth along with the lies you seek to correct.

It's a lot of fun to spout verbal diarrhea at subjects you disagree with, it's much less fun to prove your points with scientific evidence. That is why many things are debunked, yet few are disproven.

A REAL truth seeker will put in the extra work.

Archangel[/QUOTE
It is not an easy job to find the Truth.
And when we do you come along you turn into a game of samantics.
eg.....like Clinton saying ..what is the definition of "IS'.
Here's a thread that should be closed .it is totally useless blah blah blah.nothing nothing nothing
and then you get a perfectly informative thread with AW you come along and it get's closed down.
I think the mods are playing favourites because you a premier member and have already admited that money and threats buy what you want.

[lizzy]

begin sarcasm
Graf, you are assuming that I don't ENJOY having every one of my posts followed up with a bunch of Archangel-bashing, lies, and slanders! LOL.
end sarcasm

Actually, this reminds me of my old radio show, when psychos would make up these goofy websites that said I was a congressman, a murderer, child molester, kidnapper, etc. The fact is that anytime you are outspoken, you attract these types. It's just how it is.

I simply leave their behavior to the Mods here, they seem to be doing a pretty good job. I have no complaints. :D

Peace Love Unity and Respect,

Archangel

Yes , much had been said about you........
About Woghd/Archangel:

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LINKS DELETED JW

[woghd]

Let me tell you something about that hate-site people keep posting up.
First, posting it is completely off-topic, and combative, not to mention that it's facts are all wrong. That site is over ten years old.

I used to have a radio show in Las Vegas. When you have a radio show, you pick up stalkers, I'm an outspoken person, and I used to pick up a new one every month. But the worst of the bunch, created that hate-site that you so generously keep spreading around. This stalker was eventually arrested for attempting to murder the poor unfortunate person that he moved on to after he became bored with me. That is the person you are supporting by helping to spread his hate and lies, which you are doing by perpetuating that URL.

Anybody can make a website that says anything. I could make a site about you, claim I know your real name, and accuse you of every crime under the sun. That site accuses me of everything from Murder, to Child Molestation, to kidnapping, it even says I was a congressman or somesuch! Do you actually BELIEVE that nonsense? Or do you think it's possible that a hateful person just made up a hate-site aimed at a radio talk-show host...

Use your brain.

The stupid website does not even have my NAME right! This is easily verifiable by checking the records of my payments for banners and premier account.

You could have PM'd me with this and asked if any of it was true, and I could have privately saved you this embarrassment, but you chose instead to splatter these groups with off-topic hatred, and now I'm going to politely ask you for an apology, and for you to delete the idiotic links.

All you are doing is continuing the work of a sick person who himself gave it up over ten years ago.

Please.

Archangel

[john white]

It is not an easy job to find the Truth.
And when we do you come along you turn into a game of samantics.
eg.....like Clinton saying ..what is the definition of "IS'.
Here's a thread that should be closed .it is totally useless blah blah blah.nothing nothing nothing
and then you get a perfectly informative thread with AW you come along and it get's closed down.
I think the mods are playing favourites because you a premier member and have already admited that money and threats buy what you want.

Lizzy

Let me make one or two things clear

Firstly, as of this evening, Matrix Cutter, Damaged brain and Edelweiss pirate have gone onto 30 day suspension

This is a direct result of their inability to comply with site guidelines and moderator advice

And I see you too have got yourself sucked into throwing around a ten year old bunch of slander put together by a mentally unstable man

Here is how it is:

Woghd has not broken the rules of this site (baring being baited into defending himself, which he did recieve some points for)

We assess posters via there behaviour here: not hearsay elsewhere

We do not permit members to gang up together to persecute other members

And if that was ever happening to you, you would find the support of the admin team reassuring and useful

It is time to put this drama to rest: these allegations against Woghd are wrong, and a testament only to certain peoples inability to check around information and alarming tendency to accept something hook line and sinker simply becuase it appeals to their vanity (as "heroic dis-info exposers") and fearful imagination

If you too wish to enter a confrontation with site admin over this issue, that is your choice: but do not harbour illusions over the outcome

I'd find something else to focus on, and realise how dangerously easy it is to allow fear to drive one to judgement, if I were you

[lizzy]

Let me tell you something about that hate-site people keep posting up.
First, posting it is completely off-topic, and combative, not to mention that it's facts are all wrong. That site is over ten years old.

I used to have a radio show in Las Vegas. When you have a radio show, you pick up stalkers, I'm an outspoken person, and I used to pick up a new one every month. But the worst of the bunch, created that hate-site that you so generously keep spreading around. This stalker was eventually arrested for attempting to murder the poor unfortunate person that he moved on to after he became bored with me. That is the person you are supporting by helping to spread his hate and lies, which you are doing by perpetuating that URL.

Anybody can make a website that says anything. I could make a site about you, claim I know your real name, and accuse you of every crime under the sun. That site accuses me of everything from Murder, to Child Molestation, to kidnapping, it even says I was a congressman or somesuch! Do you actually BELIEVE that nonsense? Or do you think it's possible that a hateful person just made up a hate-site aimed at a radio talk-show host...

Use your brain.

The stupid website does not even have my NAME right! This is easily verifiable by checking the records of my payments for banners and premier account.

You could have PM'd me with this and asked if any of it was true, and I could have privately saved you this embarrassment, but you chose instead to splatter these groups with off-topic hatred, and now I'm going to politely ask you for an apology, and for you to delete the idiotic links.

All you are doing is continuing the work of a sick person who himself gave it up over ten years ago.

Please.

Archangel
I did pm you with some questions but those were ignored.
I see that as a celebrity ones past never really goes away and if you were maligned in those days you have my sympathy.
I will say sorry for posting those links .
Can you in return answer the questions I asked you in my private pm?
Thamku,
lizzy.

[woghd]

I did pm you with some questions but those were ignored.
I see that as a celebrity ones past never really goes away and if you were maligned in those days you have my sympathy.
I will say sorry for posting those links .
Can you in return answer the questions I asked you in my private pm?
Thamku,
lizzy.

***hugzz***

Not a problem, lizzy, this is just a misunderstanding, I'm sending you a PM right now.

Archangel

[lizzy]

Lizzy

Let me make one or two things clear

Firstly, as of this evening, Matrix Cutter, Damaged brain and Edelweiss pirate have gone onto 30 day suspension

This is a direct result of their inability to comply with site guidelines and moderator advice

And I see you too have got yourself sucked into throwing around a ten year old bunch of slander put together by a mentally unstable man

Here is how it is:

Woghd has not broken the rules of this site (baring being baited into defending himself, which he did recieve some points for)

We assess posters via there behaviour here: not hearsay elsewhere

We do not permit members to gang up together to persecute other members

And if that was ever happening to you, you would find the support of the admin team reassuring and useful

It is time to put this drama to rest: these allegations against Woghd are wrong, and a testament only to certain peoples inability to check around information and alarming tendency to accept something hook line and sinker simply becuase it appeals to their vanity (as "heroic dis-info exposers") and fearful imagination

If you too wish to enter a confrontation with site admin over this issue, that is your choice: but do not harbour illusions over the outcome

I'd find something else to focus on, and realise how dangerously easy it is to allow fear to drive one to judgement, if I were you
OK,will do.
I am here to learn. David Icke is one of a dozen or so individuals who has opened my eyes to the evil that the Elite perpetrate upon us.
If you read my posts Ihave nearly always asked for us to stop arguing . That if we are here for the right reasons we must join and fight. Find solutions .
For me it is to get off the grid, grow my own veggies , drink relatively good water from a well.
But for most there are no exits, global fascism is here , unending war profits, poisionous food , vacinations , air, on and on.
I came to the defense of AlanWatt . Why would anyone who believes how David Icke does not believe what Watt says. They are saying the same thing.
They both explain our manipulation and control by these sociopaths.
I will look forward to seeing the others back in 30 days. And that the mods will keep a fair hand on us all.
regards, lizzy

[john white]

Thats cool lizzy and appreciated