Why is satanism paired with child abuse?

[drael]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).

[mariag]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).

Hello Drael!
Its good that you mention this, and it should be known that not all bastards are bastards:)
But there are on the other hand a few really nasty peops envolved in satanism concerning child abuse and ritualistic sex and even murders. People are strange....:cool:

[drael]

Ive heard rumours of this from generally christian circles since i was a boy.

Ive never seen anything real actually connecting satanists to child abuse. Not one thing, not every one individual.

(Actually turns out the christian who told us kids about this was a kiddie fiddler! More like christianity and child abuse! lol.)

Yeah, maybe theres a satanist somewhere that is deviant? maybe. However ive meet and talked to quite a few and in my experience theres really nothing scary about them at all.

I think the idea of a satanist makes a nice bogeyman for a christian. Reality is another matter.

Its interesting satan is rarely even mentioned in the bible, yet satanists, satanic rituals and satan himself takes up alot of mainstream christian thought. Kind weird i think.

But hey i beleive black magick exists, and it is a little scary. Just basically none of it is satanic. And i do know the occult pretty well.

The most common form of black magick is "ceremonial magick", where demons are summoned and controlled. There is black magick associated with the illumanti also, likely in a similar form to ceremonial magick. However, also, nothing to do with satan. Scary people, but they dont worship satan.

Satanists are just nothing like that at all, theyre totally benign. They are christians who beleive in freedom over a strict moral code. They generally dont even know much about occultism or magick, let alone practice it.

A little research into the occult, magick and ritual would reveal this to anyone interested.

Black magick is scary. However black magick generally has little to do with satan or satanists.

[seer74]

Black magic and ritual abuse are the TRUE satanism. (satan means enemy and the Grovers and Illuminati are the TRUE enemys of mankind - the REAL stanists) Kids with pentagrams and cotton-candy rebellion may CALL themselves satanists but they have no IDEA what a satanist even is. For god's sake most of them don't even know that there really are demons (Annunaki - and they are real i've witnessed their existance) in the world.

Satanism in its true form is sickening (and I've witnessed its existance). It happens to hide behind everything from the Rites of Freemasonry to the "nice" Satanists to the Vatican to "Reformed" churches (the latter facts being ignored by the christian end of the effort to relate the horrors of satanism due to their inability to accept that their religion was created by satanists!)

Satanism is paired with child abuse because quite simply satanists (the real ones who know and worship the very real demons who rule this HELL we call the world) ABUSE CHILDREN. They abuse grown-ups too for that matter. Every time they send us to war.

[drael]

But the people to which you refer do not worship an entity called "satan", they bind and control what might be called "demons", but they are generally not huge followers of mainstream christian mythology. (Although they do usually read the bible among other texts).

To call such people "satanists" is a little misleading here. They certainly practice dark arts, including child abuse (i once had a dream about bohemian grove and what goes on there), but calling them satanists is inaccurate. You may beleive they worship satan by proxy, but _they_ do not, ergo they are not satanists.

Plus it gives the picture that they use upside crosses and pentagrams and such, which they dont. Anyone interested in knowing about these dark practicioners should start researching the real occultists, ceremonial magicians etc rather than getting caught up in heavy metal songs and such....

Of course i agree, the real dark magick is sick. And scary!

[eternal_spirit]

Jeez, another satanic escapist apologist. "We don't do that" BS lie ,spiel. :(

Michael Aquino, former member of Church of Satan. Founder of Temple of Set. One time head of Psychological Warefare Department, USA Military ( Could well be presently involved in some Military role. ) Known peadophile.

[eternal_spirit]

Satanist Crowley, alleged homo sexual peadophile, involving sex magick rituals.

[seer74]

But the people to which you refer do not worship an entity called "satan", they bind and control what might be called "demons", but they are generally not huge followers of mainstream christian mythology. (Although they do usually read the bible among other texts).



Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati named his god "Lucifer" aka Satan, the Devil.

Actually to refer to the use of "the Devil" as a symbol of rebellion as the "nicer" "satanists" do is misleading, and falls prey to the very CHRISTIAN notion the serpent represents "rebellion against God" the serpent so aften refferred to as satan in the context of deceiver and corrupter represents anything BUT rebellion but rather represents the Annunaki slave masters.

And I AM very researched on the subjects of Occultism, Satanism, Witchcraft, Religion, Mythology, and especially the Annunaki prison warders who ARE the very REAL Satanic Entitys, by whom all of the above were invented to control and brainwash humanity. Thank you very much.

[seer74]

and BTW, yes we should probly start a thread on christianity and child abuse as WELL!!!!

[serpentoffire]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).

Here a book with full coverage about satanism, freemasonry, illuminati, pedophilia, mind control, etc.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14353

[seer74]

Plus it gives the picture that they use upside crosses and pentagrams and such, which they dont. Anyone interested in knowing about these dark practicioners should start researching the real occultists, ceremonial magicians etc rather than getting caught up in heavy metal songs and such....

Of course i agree, the real dark magick is sick. And scary!

Um they use people who use upside down crosses as well people who use right-side up crosses and they do SO use pentagrams...

and I have been known to defend heavy metal musicians from accusations of Satanism. I'm the last person who needs to be told heavy metal music isn't satanism, thanx

[eternal_spirit]

and I have been known to defend heavy metal musicians from accusations of Satanism. I'm the last person who needs to be told heavy metal music isn't satanism, thanx

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I agree, but there are some who advocate and are known satanists.

Then there are genuine musicians who do not do the Satan thing, who are labeled as being satanic. I've met some of these people. And would know by the vibes if they were good or bad ones.

[seer74]

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I agree, but there are some who advocate and are known satanists.

Then there are genuine musicians who do not do the Satan thing, who are labeled as being satanic. I've met some of these people. And would know by the vibes if they were good or bad ones.

oh, yeah, its true, some really are. I was responding to Drael's insinuation that my knowledge of Satanism all came from Heavy Metal songs. My point was that i know the difference between a rock band and a satanist. LOL

[drael]

To my knowledge real black magick usually involves summoning and binding "demons". It does not involve the worship of satan, worhsip of a "god" or the devil in magick doesnt really grant you power (although it can be used for divination). The illuminati dabble in various occult backgrounds but they are usually based on the pratices of secret societies. These groups do engage in child abuse etc. This is a very source of there black magick power in fact. By using drugs and engaging in lust or sensory acts, they embue their spells with power. Then they can summon a "demon" and bind him to there will. Youd be mad to try and summon satan. That would be impossible to protect in.

They often mystics of some sort, or followers of the magick left over from egypt and early times, that the secret societies have kept for thousands of years. These groups worship various gods which you can look up. Of course some groups where white like the golden dawn, and some black like that christian mystic groups that starts with an r.


I will read those links though. Incidently in seems to be to my knowledge that these illuminati worship themselves through their plans for domination.

[seer74]

To my knowledge real black magick usually involves summoning and binding "demons". It does not involve the worship of satan, worhsip of a "god" or the devil in magick doesnt really grant you power (although it can be used for divination). The illuminati dabble in various occult backgrounds but they are usually based on the pratices of secret societies. These groups do engage in child abuse etc. This is a very source of there black magick power in fact. By using drugs and engaging in lust or sensory acts, they embue their spells with power. Then they can summon a "demon" and bind him to there will. Youd be mad to try and summon satan. That would be impossible to protect in.

They often mystics of some sort, or followers of the magick left over from egypt and early times, that the secret societies have kept for thousands of years. These groups worship various gods which you can look up. Of course some groups where white like the golden dawn, and some black like that christian mystic groups that starts with an r.


I will read those links though. Incidently in seems to be to my knowledge that these illuminati worship themselves through their plans for domination.

you are correct might i add that the illuminati are in servitude to the annunaki gods, these gods happen to BE the SERPENT that is called satan.

the thing you acknowledge as Satanism, merely uses satan symolically correct?

to my thinking the ones who actually serve satan would therefore be the more genuine satanists wether they call themselves that or not. I might note that the god of the Bavarian Illuminati was named by their founder as Lucifer i will also point out the symbolic devil-worshippers religion happens to be, like religion in general an invention of the occult bloodlines.

it strikes me of importance to note again the main thing you and i disagree on here, drael, which of these things the word satanism refers to. to me it means both of them, but i think the somantics are ultimatley moot here. but perhaps we are answering yuor initial question "why is satanism paired with child abuse?" well, clearly there is an association at least in people's minds between satanism and black magic, occult ritual, etc. etc. therefore it is relevant to discuss this connection, what it implies, and just in what ways it is or is not a valid connection.

[drael]

We agree on most points.

In this case i feel somantics is important. What most people consdiered satanists in this case differs from your understanding, as does the meaning of the word satan.

Im not opposed to the notion of the reptile shapechangers, i think theres certianly a case in mythology. But thats not what most people think of as satan, the big red guy with the point horns and such. Using the word serpent is a little clearer. The word Annunuki is the most unambigious. If people come on here, without explanation theyd get very confused.

The thing id call satanism is the religion based on the worship of lucifer, mainly as a rebel angel who didnt like Gods rule. Its main tenets are hedonism and self-forfillment. Its not anything to do with the annuniki.

To my understaning the NWO dont worship the reptiles, the reptiles just happen to control them (because there shapechangers they can be anywhere and control anything). Alot of what exists in the magick of the NWO is based on ancient traditions still, and therefor is mysticism based, not religion based, although obviously influences of reptile philosophy are everywhere in society. I guess YMMV.

Still dont they eat our emotions or soul or something?

In the new age, the annuniki are 4D aliens. meaning they exist, on a level, within a sort of mental imagination, like a dream, composed of information from 3d. Which would explain the eating thing, they live in our dreams. Obviously they are big fans of horror.

[seer74]

We agree on most points.

In this case i feel somantics is important. What most people consdiered satanists in this case differs from your understanding, as does the meaning of the word satan.

Im not opposed to the notion of the reptile shapechangers, i think theres certianly a case in mythology. But thats not what most people think of as satan, the big red guy with the point horns and such. Using the word serpent is a little clearer. The word Annunuki is the most unambigious. If people come on here, without explanation theyd get very confused.

The thing id call satanism is the religion based on the worship of lucifer, mainly as a rebel angel who didnt like Gods rule. Its main tenets are hedonism and self-forfillment. Its not anything to do with the annuniki.

To my understaning the NWO dont worship the reptiles, the reptiles just happen to control them (because there shapechangers they can be anywhere and control anything). Alot of what exists in the magick of the NWO is based on ancient traditions still, and therefor is mysticism based, not religion based, although obviously influences of reptile philosophy are everywhere in society. I guess YMMV.

Still dont they eat our emotions or soul or something?

In the new age, the annuniki are 4D aliens. meaning they exist, on a level, within a sort of mental imagination, like a dream, composed of information from 3d. Which would explain the eating thing, they live in our dreams. Obviously they are big fans of horror.

I suppose you have a point about confuseing people with somantics.

But I will quote Adam Weishaupt, founder of the Bavarian Illuminati "the religion of the Illuminati, and of Freemasonry should always be mantained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine " sounds like worshipping Lucifer to me.

[seer74]

And I also think, Drael, that more people consider the Black Arts Satanism than you realize, otherwise this thread would not exist. For the most part the only people who don't consider it satanism, are those who don't know it exists, and those who practice some other type of "satanism".

[eternal_spirit]

The brand of Satanism that is practiced by Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set is thoroughly Egyptian. In the book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night (1985) Aquino describes what seems to be a call to start the Church of Satan and speaks in the first person as Set, the Egyptian Satan. The Equinox has succumbed to my Solstice, and I, Set, am revealed in my Majesty....I am the ageless Intelligence of this Universe...and from my manifest semblance, which alone is not of Earth. Known as the Hebrew Satan, I chose to bring forth a Magus, according to the fashion of my Word. He was charged to form a Church of Satan, that I might easily touch the minds of men in this age they had cast for me.
The accusation of child abuse and molestation against Aquino was made in 1988 by Sandi Gallant of the San Francisco Police Department, thus placing another link between Egyptian style Satanism and Satanic Ritual Abuse. The accusations surfaced concerning the day care center at the Presidio military installation and were as follows:
Children said they were taken by day to private homes, including two on army property, where they had been sexually molested............
Other children talked about a "googoo" game in which they were urinated and defecated on by a "Mr. Gary".... Pencils were used to doodle on the skin and genitals of the children and were also inserted in a child anus.....
A gun was pointed at the head of another adult in front of the children......
There were five confirmed cases among the children of chlamydia, a sexually transmitted illness.
Although no formal charges were filed against Aquino, there were certainly some interesting twists to the case. His repeated claims of innocence to many were hollow cries. There are some similarities in the accusations against the day care center when compared to the recent disclosures of children that we have been in contact with.
It is not clear how long the army has known about Aquino's peculiar genus of satanism. But the San Francisco police have been exceptionally interested since about 1980. The interest crested in November 1987 when police raided a house where a three-year-old girl told police she had been molested by a sinister-looking man named "Mickey" who snapped pictures of her in the bathtub and sexually mistreated her in a room with black walls and a cross etched on the ceiling. The girl later spotted "Mickey" in the PX at the Presidio army base in San Francisco, where Aquino was stationed. The girl said she thought "Mickey" was Aquino. The girl also said she recognized Mrs. Aquino. Meanwhile, authorities had found evidence of ongoing child abuse at the Presidio day care center. A three-year-old had also been molested, and the cops turned up six cases of sexually transmitted infection in fifty-eight other charges at the center. A thirty-four-year-old civilian day-care worker at the Presidio facility, who was also a Southern Baptist minister was arrested. At first, the charges were dismissed. But subsequently, Hambright was indicted anew on twelve counts of sodomy, oral copulation, and lewd conduct. Hambright later died of AIDS.
Albert Churchward in his book, The Arcana of Freemasonry, confirms that Set is the Egyptian name for Satan.
That Sut or Set was first primary god of the Egyptians, but was god of the South Pole, or Southern Hemisphere, is amply proved and borne out by the monuments as well as the Ritual. Set or Sut, according to Plutarch, is the Egyptian name of Typhon--i.e. Satan of the Christian Cult.




http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/Freemasonry/aliester_crowley_33_degree_Mason_knew_about_human_ sacrifice.htm

[seer74]

The brand of Satanism that is practiced by Michael Aquino and the Temple of Set is thoroughly Egyptian. In the book, The Book of Coming Forth by Night (1985) Aquino describes what seems to be a call to start the Church of Satan and speaks in the first person as Set, the Egyptian Satan. The Equinox has succumbed to my Solstice, and I, Set, am revealed in my Majesty....I am the ageless Intelligence of this Universe...and from my manifest semblance, which alone is not of Earth. Known as the Hebrew Satan, I chose to bring forth a Magus, according to the fashion of my Word. He was charged to form a Church of Satan, that I might easily touch the minds of men in this age they had cast for me.
The accusation of child abuse and molestation against Aquino was made in 1988 by Sandi Gallant of the San Francisco Police Department, thus placing another link between Egyptian style Satanism and Satanic Ritual Abuse. The accusations surfaced concerning the day care center at the Presidio military installation and were as follows:
Children said they were taken by day to private homes, including two on army property, where they had been sexually molested............
Other children talked about a "googoo" game in which they were urinated and defecated on by a "Mr. Gary".... Pencils were used to doodle on the skin and genitals of the children and were also inserted in a child anus.....
A gun was pointed at the head of another adult in front of the children......
There were five confirmed cases among the children of chlamydia, a sexually transmitted illness.
Although no formal charges were filed against Aquino, there were certainly some interesting twists to the case. His repeated claims of innocence to many were hollow cries. There are some similarities in the accusations against the day care center when compared to the recent disclosures of children that we have been in contact with.
It is not clear how long the army has known about Aquino's peculiar genus of satanism. But the San Francisco police have been exceptionally interested since about 1980. The interest crested in November 1987 when police raided a house where a three-year-old girl told police she had been molested by a sinister-looking man named "Mickey" who snapped pictures of her in the bathtub and sexually mistreated her in a room with black walls and a cross etched on the ceiling. The girl later spotted "Mickey" in the PX at the Presidio army base in San Francisco, where Aquino was stationed. The girl said she thought "Mickey" was Aquino. The girl also said she recognized Mrs. Aquino. Meanwhile, authorities had found evidence of ongoing child abuse at the Presidio day care center. A three-year-old had also been molested, and the cops turned up six cases of sexually transmitted infection in fifty-eight other charges at the center. A thirty-four-year-old civilian day-care worker at the Presidio facility, who was also a Southern Baptist minister was arrested. At first, the charges were dismissed. But subsequently, Hambright was indicted anew on twelve counts of sodomy, oral copulation, and lewd conduct. Hambright later died of AIDS.
Albert Churchward in his book, The Arcana of Freemasonry, confirms that Set is the Egyptian name for Satan.
That Sut or Set was first primary god of the Egyptians, but was god of the South Pole, or Southern Hemisphere, is amply proved and borne out by the monuments as well as the Ritual. Set or Sut, according to Plutarch, is the Egyptian name of Typhon--i.e. Satan of the Christian Cult.




http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/Freemasonry/aliester_crowley_33_degree_Mason_knew_about_human_ sacrifice.htm

Thank you Eternal Spirit. Of note Temple of Set is offshoot church from LaVey's First Church Of Satan. It broke off from LaVey's declareing ITSELF the true Satanic Church.

[seer74]

You wanna know something that occurred to me today on this subject?
I have heard Satanists on TV and read books by Satanists claiming there is no such thing as ritual abuse. Now, ITS TRUE there is a culture that consider themselves Satanists who do not engage in the practices of ritual abuse or human sacrifice, etc. But why does it have to be "NO SUCH THING", when the practices are thoroughly documented wether its "satanists" who do this or somebody else? I have personally KNOWN victims of it!!! Why can't it be "WE don't engage in that sort of thing"? Why do they insist that NO ONE does?
Why is it that when somebody (sometimes they come out and say they are satanist and sometimes they don't) wants to discredit allegations of ritual abuse they pull out the Laveyanist "Satanism" as though it were somehow proof that no one else does either?
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I THINK Lavey was a high degree Mason. Anybody know?

[jp13]

Lucifer=Light Bringer/bearer. Satan or Shaitan or Set, Satan is hebrew for Adversary, Set Is Ancient Egyptian God, crocodililian in form, God of War as far as I know, and sometimes I know much, sometimes very little, but I keep learning.
Of course, using Ickes imagery, we are all slaves to the same master/s which gets referred to as Satanism/Black Magic, everything is an illusion used to control us! Maybe, if that is the case then how can anyone talk with authourity or knowledge about anything on this site. Most of what I've read on this site is pure bollocks, with no knowledge or understanding, it's a POV thing I think, others hold back pretending to be the placid mystics who know but will not tell.
If you know then you are part of IT, if not you're just justifying your so solid crappy belief system, and if we are all slaves (even the Illuminati) then how can you, me/we tell what is really the truth?
Only by experience
to experience, you have to experiment, you will make mistakes, especially if following some old grimoire, or even so-called New Age practises, all these books have built in flaws so that novices wil not harm themselves. True teachers are few and far between, and often to learn and break down our rigid belief systems, we have to be fooled a bit, does that mean it's evil?
Not if we have choice and conscience=con science to be our guide.
I finish with this, once you start looking for these things, you will see links to them/it/PTB everywhere, it's only right that we open our eyes to what is hidden (occult) but what is hidden is not always infernal in origin in my opinion.
Once your on the path, your on it for life, so follow the yellow brick road and find emeralrd city (Oz) all within the twinkling of your eye.
I had to have this Rant, not aimed at anyone in particular, probably myself OK. I know I'm mental and have seen things that don't exist, nut if I saw them who created them (the images and experiences I mean)?
Only I
and I
an I

[octopusrex]

Hey, 13... I can feel your pain.

Prometheus is not such a bad guy after all, is he?

[picha]

This is just a message for a mod really:

I was wondering if it would be possible to take the child abuse out of the forum link.

Im only asking because if im in the library or somewhere it can be taken the wrong way if someone looks at the screen.

Thanks.

[jp13]

Hey, 13... I can feel your pain.

Prometheus is not such a bad guy after all, is he?
Thanks Octopusrex, more confusion than anything really, but it would be good to have it resolved in some way. I think I have to do that for myself, unconditional love/Reiki may help.
Cheers
J

[kanut]

Satan is used a fear tactic to those that have no concept of the disticntion's between good and evil, in short, only your own devil of a conscience can kill you!

[thelyran]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).
From what I gather,due to the limited information you gave...you sound like a Gothic...with no clue what a true Satanist is.They are not just the Elites.
I will ask you a question?
1.Where you sodomised as a child?...answer no.
2.Were you allowed to leave?..........answer yes.(and you are alive to talk about it?)
3.Did your parents make you witness perverse and violent acts?....I await your answer on that.
But I already know it.......
You have'nt even forged a link to the lower Astral Realms....you don't understand Satanism at all.I can give you 4 addresses in East Maitland...3 where they rape and molest children...and one where they practice...a true form of occultism,in energy vampirism...and all under protection of Maitland Police Station.These appear normal people...at first,even respected in the community.Get close and they're eyes are void,no character,no soul...if you're a sensitive...you will feel it.If you can see...you'd run.
Satanism goes under many names,some I hear are even rumoured to be in the New Age movement...I have no proof on that one though.Some healers I met...were quite the opposite,but vampires themselves.
A true Satanist is addicted to certain drugs,and if they can get a supply of human glands,their prefered feed...if not they live on the energy from their victims through ceremonial majic.
And I have only glanced the surface....
I have not proceeded to describe how their mind works yet...and I have spent a long 8 years with them...that's why I can conclusively accuse you as a fraud,and you only started this thread as a kind of leftfield debate....
sorry if you are offended...the voices in my head are laughing at you...they would like to meet you,I suggest you don't,they're bored with me...but I won't let them go...They tried taking on a blind 60 year old man,who ended up wandering around out the front of my house...dazed and confused...his name is Sid,he lived in Porter Ave East Maitland,number 19,a flat....directly across the road is...you got it,but you don't get the number.(This is last week)
People used to laugh at me locally...they no longer do,to many predictions I made turned up...now they come to me for guidance...and you better have you heart fucking open,when you do...I don't play games...I am deadly serious
Any of you don't believe the drivel I carry on with...I'll give you an old thread,I wrote years ago,on a punkrock forum...The only change,I am no longer trying to kill them anymore.I found alternatives...I just wish they would change before I let them go....I tried to make them into fifth columnist.
They won't change and have to make the decision,to leave them alone to prey on others not as informed as me,or dangerous,...or kill them,let's hope some idiot inbred does'nt do it for me....tchus

I am trying to be the Good Shephard now.....behave yourself..........

[marpat]

I do know or have known people who have labelled themselves as satanists but to my mind have shown no inclination towards child abuse. They tend to explain their beliefs in terms of using magic for material gain rather than spiritual development.

[armoured_amazon]

I'm pretty sure child abusers wouldn't talk about it.

[marpat]

I'm pretty sure child abusers wouldn't talk about it.

I agree but you cant just say that they are all child abuser just because they label themselves satanists. To some people calling themselves satanists is no more than an act of rebellino against a strict christian upbringing.

It would be like saying that all christian clergy are paedophiles because a lot of them have been caught abusing kids, obviously not true

[deathcultreject]

I'm not 100% sure about this, but I THINK Lavey was a high degree Mason. Anybody know?

I think it's unlikely that La Vey was a high degree Mason.

Masonic occultism was compiled and then published by the members of the Golden Dawn, and I self trained in Golden Dawn basics which I still use as a sort of spritual safety thing.

The ritual style in the Satanic bible is too uncontained for it to come from someone with ceremonial training such as the Golden Dawn which came from freemasonry.

or wicca,

or tantra,

or Franz Bardon,

or chaos magic,

or aurum solis,

or shamanism,

or 'black magic' goetia,

etc.

In fact it's very unique.

It looks like it's developed as a psychological prop for people who don't have enchanting power in their voice.

Bad news for me to do that kind of ritual style, because I've got too much training in voicing names of God and all that. I shouldn't put that kind of power into demon names.

Having said that, I do think that everything I've seen of LaVeyan satanism looks like a bunch of bright silly magicians who are just having a fucking good laugh.

Nothing to do with the NWO, no more psychopaths than any other religion, and that psi ops nonce Aquino got kicked out years ago.

But sadly for me, It's a party that I'd best miss out on.

As for people in the temple of set whom I also get on with, they seem to have no idea at all about Aquinos unpleasant nature.

[paganus]

I think it's unlikely that La Vey was a high degree Mason.

Masonic occultism was compiled and then published by the members of the Golden Dawn, and I self trained in Golden Dawn basics which I still use as a sort of spritual safety thing.

The ritual style in the Satanic bible is too uncontained for it to come from someone with ceremonial training such as the Golden Dawn which came from freemasonry.

or wicca,

or tantra,

or Franz Bardon,

or chaos magic,

or aurum solis,

or shamanism,

or 'black magic' goetia,

etc.

In fact it's very unique.

It looks like it's developed as a psychological prop for people who don't have enchanting power in their voice.

Bad news for me to do that kind of ritual style, because I've got too much training in voicing names of God and all that. I shouldn't put that kind of power into demon names.

Having said that, I do think that everything I've seen of LaVeyan satanism looks like a bunch of bright silly magicians who are just having a fucking good laugh.

Nothing to do with the NWO, no more psychopaths than any other religion, and that psi ops nonce Aquino got kicked out years ago.

But sadly for me, It's a party that I'd best miss out on.

As for people in the temple of set whom I also get on with, they seem to have no idea at all about Aquinos unpleasant nature.i tried the Enochian Keys from the satanic bible.a disaster,it was!

[deathcultreject]

i tried the Enochian Keys from the satanic bible.a disaster,it was!

There's lovely phonetics with La Vey's Enochian, or there can be, if you're not a death metal head.

The real strength of LaVeyan style is it's showmanship, it's designed for an uplifting piss take.

I think it's a mistake to treat the rituals with some decent magical clout.

[marpat]

Paganus are you an experienced occultist? what went wrong with the keys you used?

Like your pic. Aztec art is bangin

[deathcultreject]

i tried the Enochian Keys from the satanic bible.a disaster,it was!

If you don't mind my asking, what happened by the way?

[madthumbs]

Lets skip the Crowley crap, and focus on the roots of the of Satanism.

It looks to me like Satan was just another character borrowed from another religion (typical Christian plagiary), that being Atenism (http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3718)

Religion has been used throughout history to control the masses, support war, etc. In this case, it looks like early Judaism was being used to promote war at one time against the people that worshiped Aten.

So, can anyone show us where in Atenism Child molesting is instructed?

Lets turn to the Bible and find the true source of child molesting. -You know that book compiled by the Catholic Church that's well known for organized molesting of young boys?

Notice that there's a lack of mention of age in these verses:

11 and see among the captives a beautiful woman, and you have a desire to her, and would take her to you as wife;
12 then you shall bring her home to your house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 and she shall put the clothing of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in your house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that you shall go in to her, and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
14 It shall be, if you have no delight in her, then you shall let her go where she will; but you shall not sell her at all for money, you shall not deal with her as a slave, because you have humbled her.

7 "If a man sells his daughter to be a female servant, she shall not go out as the male servants do.
8 If she doesn't please her master, who has married her to himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, seeing he has dealt deceitfully with her.
9 If he marries her to his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, and her marital rights.
11 If he doesn't do these three things for her, she may go free without paying any money.

What age were people when they married in that time period? What age would virgin captives be?

[the spackler]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).

from what i've read and come across most satanists are harmless. however, the elite "use" satanism as a way to cover their tracks . they also use satanism and its rituals as a way to program their victims. satanic ritual abuse is used in mind control as well... it's not that these people are satanists - they use it as a tool to break people down psychologically... also, if the victims report it they are often looked at as crazy. trauma based mind control is a very powerful way to program people... they also use these rituals to frighten the victims and the reaction in the victims bodies sends adrenachrome into the blood and is like a drug when it is consumed.... this type of abuse often start at an early age - hence the connection to child abuse...

satanism is more of a tool than a belief with these people...:D

hope that helps... most of the people here who have read davids work as well as other researchers know that most statanists are normal people but that satanism is used as a smokescreen by the elite...

[armoured_amazon]

I agree but you cant just say that they are all child abuser just because they label themselves satanists. To some people calling themselves satanists is no more than an act of rebellino against a strict christian upbringing.

It would be like saying that all christian clergy are paedophiles because a lot of them have been caught abusing kids, obviously not true

Completely agree. But I don't think anyone who is a paedophile will put their hands up to be counted.

As an aside, I never understood why some satanists are named after something they do not believe is real. The satanists I know don't believe the demon exists (or pretend not to).

:confused:

[drael]

Modern satanism (as in temple of set) is more traditional black magick (Ie it is based on mystery teachings passed down through secret societies) than based on christianity, although it started that way. The temple of set for example, use the egyptian god of destruction as their "prince of darkness". (a potential basis for satan perhaps, along with pan?). They do still like the upside pentagrams and symbology of the devil, the hangover rebellion mentality.

It depends on whether they are serious occultists or not, as to whether they beleive in an actual devil. The metal head types just practice hedonism, they beleive in a devil. The secret societies tend not to worship the devil, because the bibles in most occult circles considered a limited text (except abrahamic mysticism) and the devil a minor entity (hes only a fallen angel, not a god). Some groups put certain value in tarot, astrology and the kabbalah, which is related to the bible, but it is rare to pratice magick with a beleif in christian mythology. Generally in the occult, a long-lasting mystic tradition adds weight to beleif in the reality and power, an important part of magick. As such, people tend to use old gods, and old symbols, and old rituals. Ie older than christianity...

[paganus]

Paganus are you an experienced occultist? what went wrong with the keys you used?

Like your pic. Aztec art is banginyes.ive practiced Wicca for 11 years.during that time,also tried chaos,Kabbalah and Abra-Melin.when i did laveys Enochian keys it was like a total reversal of the result i wanted.i felt at the time as though something had just delibratley given me the exact opposite of what i was working for.in Wicca,spells either work,work partially or fail.so this was a shock!

[armoured_amazon]

Thanks, Drael :)

[deathcultreject]

Completely agree. But I don't think anyone who is a paedophile will put their hands up to be counted.

As an aside, I never understood why some satanists are named after something they do not believe is real. The satanists I know don't believe the demon exists (or pretend not to).

:confused:

Why name yourself after Satan if you don't believe in him?

Because it's hilarious.

Did you ever go through a phase when you were little and you like leaving toy spiders around because they made people jump?

Same kind of thing.

[paganus]

satan isnt a name anyway,its a title.it means 'adversary'

[deathcultreject]

yes.ive practiced Wicca for 11 years.during that time,also tried chaos,Kabbalah and Abra-Melin.when i did laveys Enochian keys it was like a total reversal of the result i wanted.i felt at the time as though something had just delibratley given me the exact opposite of what i was working for.in Wicca,spells either work,work partially or fail.so this was a shock!

Interesting.

Some people complain that rune magic backfires like that, but in their case it's probably due to them breaking oaths all the time as if it doesn't matter.

There are so many points of messiness in LaVeyan ritual, I wouldn't want to even guess what would cause that effect.

When I gave it a go a few times, I found it had more side effects than results.
Fun if you like that kind of thing, but I'm too old for it.

Then I saw some church of satan guys on the telly, and they were just repeating the rituals without putting any thing into them. I don't think they actualy have magical training, they just pick up a book and start right away.

There is some kind of a brotherhood who hate it by the way.
They're men in black types who take theirselves way to seriously.
They don't have nice auras like withches and pagans and satanists, everything about them just screams of rabid delusional arrogance.
They don't like piss takers.

They can tell when someone has done a La Veyan ritual and they zoom in and harass them.

There might be other magical effects that they have.

[paganus]

Interesting.

Some people complain that rune magic backfires like that, but in their case it's probably due to them breaking oaths all the time as if it doesn't matter.

There are so many points of messiness in LaVeyan ritual, I wouldn't want to even guess what would cause that effect.

When I gave it a go a few times, I found it had more side effects than results.
Fun if you like that kind of thing, but I'm too old for it.

Then I saw some church of satan guys on the telly, and they were just repeating the rituals without putting any thing into them. I don't think they actualy have magical training, they just pick up a book and start right away.

There is some kind of a brotherhood who hate it by the way.
They're men in black types who take theirselves way to seriously.
They don't have nice auras like withches and pagans and satanists, everything about them just screams of rabid delusional arrogance.
They don't like piss takers.

They can tell when someone has done a La Veyan ritual and they zoom in and harass them.

There might be other magical effects that they have.ive often wondered if it might not have been as a result of guilt feelings.lavey is less than complementary about Wicca and many things i hold dear and the fact i was using 'his' system may have induced sub-concious guilt and subsequent self-sabotage!

[deathcultreject]

ive often wondered if it might not have been as a result of guilt feelings.lavey is less than complementary about Wicca and many things i hold dear and the fact i was using 'his' system may have induced sub-concious guilt and subsequent self-sabotage!

Well maybe, combined with Satan as meaning 'the opposer' etc. but I wouldn't think that would be enough to make a consistent reverse effect.

If you work out what it was, with theory and divinations etc. then it would probably be a good process to redirect under willed control.

[armoured_amazon]

Why name yourself after Satan if you don't believe in him?

Because it's hilarious.

Did you ever go through a phase when you were little and you like leaving toy spiders around because they made people jump?

Same kind of thing.

LOL no I didn't. But thanks for the post. :)

[marpat]

Interesting.

Some people complain that rune magic backfires like that, but in their case it's probably due to them breaking oaths all the time as if it doesn't matter.

There are so many points of messiness in LaVeyan ritual, I wouldn't want to even guess what would cause that effect.

When I gave it a go a few times, I found it had more side effects than results.
Fun if you like that kind of thing, but I'm too old for it.

Then I saw some church of satan guys on the telly, and they were just repeating the rituals without putting any thing into them. I don't think they actualy have magical training, they just pick up a book and start right away.

There is some kind of a brotherhood who hate it by the way.
They're men in black types who take theirselves way to seriously.
They don't have nice auras like withches and pagans and satanists, everything about them just screams of rabid delusional arrogance.
They don't like piss takers.

They can tell when someone has done a La Veyan ritual and they zoom in and harass them.

There might be other magical effects that they have.

For any magic to backfire there can be a number of reasons:
1) Inexperienced magician trying to handle something they are not familiar with
2) Bad timing so that events do not allow the energy to take root
3) A person having a strong defense causing the current to be reflected
4) Poor preparation and methodology

Personally I don't think there is anything in LaVeys system. He was just somebody with a wierd background that took a lot of stuff from established occult traditions, altered them a little to suit hi own ideas then rebadged it. A few celebrities may have got involved but look what happened to them. Obviously the result of a failed, abortive system.

[kanut]

Well, to begine with, the Freemason's believe that Mohammed the Prophet, was a peadophile, because of his marriage with a 6 year old child, but as the story rehetoric of the History of the Sarasen's goes, and I have an Original copy, the marriage was infact between the body and the soul of one person, the process being Metempsychosis, and the seperation of time and space between the two, of which half brain's that use the 'Dog-Ma' of only telling half the truth about anything and everything, lead's to a New World Ordered society, that know's only half a story, and put's everything spiritual into a physical meaning, and that's where man made religion went wrong in every country! And secondly, what goes around come's around, and only Shakespeare can Wrap a Girdle roundabout the Earth just like Zebbediah, isnt that right Mr BBC Baigent, the writer of the Langue-Doctor Cadaseus Whoever Serpent wrapped a Spinal Rod, E-Gnit = $!

[tothestars]

Hi all, im new to the forum.

Well im kinda glad im not a satanist now. Having been involved generally in the occult, im very suprised by the pairing of "child abuse" and satanism. Is there some form of fearful christian fundamentalism at work here? Satanists ive spoken to, and all the books i know about do not get involved in any child abuse.

To me, this association seems quite odd. :confused:

In fact this whole area seems a little odd. Is this a spiritual forum? Am i in the right place???

IMO If you wanna talk about ritual animal and child abuse, put it under illuminati etc (heard of the bohemian grove?).

What you are referring to is not real satanism imo. Wannabe satanism maybe.

Real satanism is dedicating to dense the soul until there are no light there. (which is of course impossible but they still try). They are aware of dark forces and worship those cause they hope this will dense their soul even more.


Abusing and ritual kill childrens are one of the "best" way to increase darkness (lesser light) in your soul.

Can you think of anything more evil than child sacrifice?
So why wouldnt a satanist use this as a way to get what he wants?

If he says no to child sacrifice he is either not telling the truth or he is a not a satanist.

[serpentoffire]

Well, to begine with, the Freemason's believe that Mohammed the Prophet, was a peadophile, because of his marriage with a 6 year old child, but as the story rehetoric of the History of the Sarasen's goes, and I have an Original copy, the marriage was infact between the body and the soul of one person, the process being Metempsychosis, and the seperation of time and space between the two, of which half brain's that use the 'Dog-Ma' of only telling half the truth about anything and everything, lead's to a New World Ordered society, that know's only half a story, and put's everything spiritual into a physical meaning, and that's where man made religion went wrong in every country! And secondly, what goes around come's around, and only Shakespeare can Wrap a Girdle roundabout the Earth just like Zebbediah, isnt that right Mr BBC Baigent, the writer of the Langue-Doctor Cadaseus Whoever Serpent wrapped a Spinal Rod, E-Gnit = $!

In the Quo'ran and Talmud pedophilia is permitted!!!

[madthumbs]

In the Quo'ran and Talmud pedophilia is permitted!!!

There's nothing against it in the Torah or the Bible. We can only wonder what age the virgins were that were enslaved to sleep with King David.

Bill Maher on the Ten Commandments
Bill Maher On The Ten Commandments - YouTube

[armoured_amazon]

In the Quo'ran pedophilia is permitted!!!

And rape.

There's nothing against it in the Torah or the Bible.

There's nothing for it either. You are referring to the beginning of Kings where it says that David was old and cold, and they gave him a young woman to keep him warm, and it specifically says that he did NOT have sexual relations with her. And given the Jewish culture of the day, they certainly would not have given him a young girl to have sex with. I think that you need to give Bible references if you are going to make such claims against the Jewish/Christian Faith. The Bible condemns child abuse especially the pagan practice of burning child to foreign gods.

[thirdwave]

To be honest I only know the Churches aspect of Satanism.... and I think it has now just become and generalised word.... for even those who reseach the people doing so much evil in the world.

I don't really know a great amount about Satanism, other than it is very much over generalised... and many ignorant people think Satanism covers the whole of the "occult"..Magick... so on.....

I know that this is not the case and that "Satanism" is a movement WITHIN the occult, a movement that USES Magick (not to its most beneficial effect!) ...not the leading edge of it like some (mostly Christians) would have you belief....

But in general although I know that some of the evil people in the world are known to be Satanists and people like David Icke describe them as being this...

I personally do not know enough about the whole Satanism thing, I know that a little research can show you Satan's roots are not necessarily "Evil" and he has kind of been manipulated that way through time... I guess its just a tag now.

I wont use it as a generalisation..... I just see Evil People and good people and don't know enough about Satanism to make so many judgements based on it and will certainly not listen to any religious people try to educate me on it... because it would be from a source that is not also manipulated by the people who are meant to be "Satanists"

[marpat]

Satanist Crowley, alleged homo sexual peadophile, involving sex magick rituals.


You are one fucked up person with a nasty suspicous mind

Was Crowley a Satanist? nope he was a thelemite, but I guess that won't fit your little theory. Find me any quote where Crowley said he is a satanist. A lot of his work is written in code and was deliberately designed to shock the establishment of the time. He had a cynical sense of humour and bated public opinion by publishing things that were meant to annoy.

[marpat]

To be honest I only know the Churches aspect of Satanism.... and I think it has now just become and generalised word.... for even those who reseach the people doing so much evil in the world.

I don't really know a great amount about Satanism, other than it is very much over generalised... and many ignorant people think Satanism covers the whole of the "occult"..Magick... so on.....

I know that this is not the case and that "Satanism" is a movement WITHIN the occult, a movement that USES Magick (not to its most beneficial effect!) ...not the leading edge of it like some (mostly Christians) would have you belief....

But in general although I know that some of the evil people in the world are known to be Satanists and people like David Icke describe them as being this...

I personally do not know enough about the whole Satanism thing, I know that a little research can show you Satan's roots are not necessarily "Evil" and he has kind of been manipulated that way through time... I guess its just a tag now.

I wont use it as a generalisation..... I just see Evil People and good people and don't know enough about Satanism to make so many judgements based on it and will certainly not listen to any religious people try to educate me on it... because it would be from a source that is not also manipulated by the people who are meant to be "Satanists"

How true. Read the book of Job and it shows that Satan hangs out with the sons of God and that God allows him to torment Job. Bascially his job is to test souls for weakness. If there were no adversary then there would be no way of growing or finding out what your strengths and weakness' are.

All the church has done is use the persona as an excuse for every evil in the world. Whenever something goes wrong it's satan (according to the church), when the reality is that it is people doing things for their own cause.

The problem now is that the church has so poisoned the minds of the public for many generations that to mention the name of Satan gets people hysterical with fear and paranoia.

[kanut]

Well, it sound's to me that the context of "make thyself dark", from the Bible, has been taken totally out of context as regard's to the darkening of one's White Soul and the Black Mass of the Spirit! The meaning relate's to the 'Fire Of Chemosh', and the sacrifice of the child within us, and going from age to age till old age meets it's youth again in a new life, not the children that are seperate entities we call our children, and whom are born seperately from us in the flesh. the Bible describe's varying form's of Metempsychosis, the seperating of the soul body fromt the body of flesh of one singular person, entitiy, and it's simple to work out when you know the code's in the name's used in the Bible, as each has a Gaelic equivilent in Welsh, which from the South Pole to the North Pole of the Planet Earth, give's an Echo effect in the origine of a countries languedge and belief's. Look at it this way, the name 'Esau', mean's "red and hairy" in Gaelic, and 'Jacob', mean's "The Heel Catcher"; Which one of these well known twin's in Holy Scripture would you say is the body of the flesh of one entity, and which the Shadow of the same body of flesh known as The Spirit? That's how simple it is to distinguish between who really existed in the flesh, and who didn't in the Bible Text's! Here's how easy it is to dupe people that say they can't read Shakespeare; 'Ziegmond Freude', mean's a "Nanny Goat's Pleasure", in Old English, so what father would name their son by the name given to a an old hag's cliterous buzzing like an earthquake then, heheheh! arn't Nazi's good at making society's half brain's!

[kanut]

Oh! I forgot to say, 'The Battle Of The Somme', in Old English mean's "The Battle Of The Sleeper's", and that's why the World Health Organisation that use's '$', this symbol as their Title, have a battle with Psalm 104; "God made the Herb for the service of man", not a chemical factory, and a fake Health Service feeding everyone anti-depressent's to cover up Nazi Society abuser's that use the Bible as their Scapegoat, of which the Vatican and the Anglican Church are the Biggest child abuse ring in human history, and using the same Scripture of Chemosh with which to sacrifice seperate entities, because they havn't got the right hemisphere intelligence to know the difference between 'Gin', man made alcohol, and 'Djinn', The Doppelganger Holy Gost! And that's why the rise in Senile Dementure's has been escallating since Howard Carter, and the Nazi's put Europe to sleep with a Ketamine Experiment to cover up their 'Who Dare's Win's' Peado ring within every Public Service Department in Europe, because the Vatican's 'Condemnation Of Jeannette', ortherwise known as 'The Djinn', ie; Holy Ghost, is to prevent the saving of people's Soul's, not the preserving of them, as we all know that Nazi's use 'Reverse Psychology' they learn in the British Establishment's M.O.D., just like my S.A.S. Army D.A.D.! Now tell me the Nazi Peado ring for the Vatican working within the Public Service's in the UK, wern't planning a National Identity Hyke and Mass Murder of witnesses against them for 2012, because I know otherwise from inside the M.O.D's own Freemason and Yeomanry rank's, because I'm the little girl that was dressed up in a Long grey soldier's coat and a bear fur hat to put a Poppy (Morphine), wreath on the Stella in London in 1969, The Turk's Check Mate played on the whole of the Nation by a fake Nazi Royal family that hide's the real Diana in poverty!!!!!! Yep, the Public Princess Diana didn't know she was an actress from her birth, which was planned out by the British Establishment Freemason Nazi Peado Cult since 1919, to make the Public believe that she was the famous Poet Edmond Spencer's 'P.S' code Diana, which is actually the Goddess Diana The Huntress, known as the Shekinah from 2 Esdras 7:26; the Book of Revelation 22; Spirit of the physical Bride!
do you know the difference beteen 'Gin', and 'Djinn', ??? I Doubt you!

[marpat]

That is some rant Kanut but what are you going on about?

[madthumbs]

And given the Jewish culture of the day, they certainly would not have given him a young girl to have sex with. I think that you need to give Bible references if you are going to make such claims against the Jewish/Christian Faith. The Bible condemns child abuse especially the pagan practice of burning child to foreign gods.

You can only speculate on Jewish culture of the day. Culture stems largely from religion, and the religion is proven sick.

"I think that you need to give Bible references if you are going to make such claims against the Jewish/Christian Faith."

-Like you did with:

"The Bible condemns child abuse especially the pagan practice of burning child to foreign gods."

-No it endorses child abuse you liar!

Here's your proof:

(YHWH ok with Human Sacrifice)
Judges 11:30-40 30 And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, 31 Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD'S, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. 32 So Jephthah passed over unto the children of Ammon to fight against them; and the LORD delivered them into his hands. 33 And he smote them from Aroer, even till thou come to Minnith, even twenty cities, and unto the plain of the vineyards, with a very great slaughter. Thus the children of Ammon were subdued before the children of Israel. 34 And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child; beside her he had neither son nor daughter. 35 And it came to pass, when he saw her, that he rent his clothes, and said, Alas, my daughter! thou hast brought me very low, and thou art one of them that trouble me: for I have opened my mouth unto the LORD, and I cannot go back. 36 And she said unto him, My father, if thou hast opened thy mouth unto the LORD, do to me according to that which hath proceeded out of thy mouth; forasmuch as the LORD hath taken vengeance for thee of thine enemies, even of the children of Ammon. 37 And she said unto her father, Let this thing be done for me: let me alone two months, that I may go up and down upon the mountains, and bewail my virginity, I and my fellows. 38 And he said, Go. And he sent her away for two months: and she went with her companions, and bewailed her virginity upon the mountains. 39 And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed: and she knew no man. And it was a custom in Israel, 40 That the daughters of Israel went yearly to lament the daughter of Jephthah the Gileadite four days in a year.

Beat your children:
Proverbs 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Mutilate infant genitals:
He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

Yes, you Christians can be liars, and are. You're only restrained from bearing false witness against your neighbour, and even Jesus makes "neighbour" very ambiguous and refers to a gentile (racist term) as a dog.

[paganus]

and 'passed their seed through the fire to Molech' actually refers to the practice of passing a child OVER a fire.its a purification Rite.farmers do the same in some parts with cattle.they drive them through the ashes.its akin to jumping over the bonfire.

[armoured_amazon]

and 'passed their seed through the fire to Molech' actually refers to the practice of passing a child OVER a fire.its a purification Rite.farmers do the same in some parts with cattle.they drive them through the ashes.its akin to jumping over the bonfire.

Of course it does...and yet the very same people get all het up about Bush et al dancing round an owl at BG... :rolleyes:

[paganus]

Of course it does...and yet the very same people get all het up about Bush et al dancing round an owl at BG... :rolleyes:
im not in the slightest bit bothered by ANYONE dancing around a stone owl at the Grove,or anywhere else for that matter.

[armoured_amazon]

im not in the slightest bit bothered by ANYONE dancing around a stone owl at the Grove,or anywhere else for that matter.

Good for you. :)

[eternal_spirit]

The ancient Khazar Jews along with others of that Near East era followed a common custom of human sacrifice. The practice was to burn a young person upon an altar called a Tophet. The Old Testament of the Bible mentions this practice and condemns it. Around the Tophet altar, drums would be beaten loudly to drown out the cries of the children being burned alive.

In the days of Ancient Israel the Priests of Baal would blow trumpets to drown out their screams.

The Carthaginians also were worshipers of Baal and sacrificed children on a massive scale. When faced with defeat in Syracuse in 310 B.C., they cast the sons of 500 nobles into a fiery pit, or Tophet, from a scaffold shaped in the likeness of the god Baal. In other words, the Jews have a god which finds blood pleasing. In the words of Mr. Leese, "What sort of a people is this whose god finds the blood obtained from mutilation of human genital organs as 'pleasing?'"

Even though God commanded circumcision, there is no way a reading of Scripture shows that God intended that the procedure turn into a bloody ritual. Besides that, it seems apparent that when Christ nailed the blood ordinances to the cross, he also nailed the circumcision to the cross. "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2)

[eternal_spirit]

ritual murder and the drinking of human blood (especially Christian blood). As a scholar, he could not have failed to note the many attested incidents of this practice of the Jews, for hundreds of example of ritual murder by the Jews are cited in official Catholic books, in every European literature, and in the court records of all the European nations.

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com
The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice

[eternal_spirit]

The suspicion under which the Jews are held is murder. They are charged with enticing White Christian Children (and sometimes blacks to keep them under control - and if necessary they will run black children down in the streets with automobiles to show the blacks their power, and that the blacks had better mind their manners or the same will happen again and again. We all witnessed this a few years ago in New York city when the car of Rabbi Shneerson ran over a black child. And as usual the Jews bought off the blacks who were inciting the mobs against them; if they had been unsuccessful in this they would have had the blacks who dared not be controlled murdered) and at time White Christian adults, butchering them, and draining their blood. They are charged with mixing this blood into their masses (unleaven bread) and using it to practice superstitious magic. They are charged with torturing their victims, especially the children; and during this torture they shout threats, curses, and cast spells against non-Jews. This systematic murder has a special name, it is called,

Ritual Murder

"They stabbed and pierced the body of the young boy Simon of Trent. They have also murdered other children...The sun never did shine on a more bloodthirsty and revengeful people as they who imagine to be the people of God, and who desire to and think they must murder and crush the heathen. Jesus Christ, the Almighty Preacher from Nazareth, spoke to the Jews: ? Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning..."

[paganus]

The ancient Khazar Jews along with others of that Near East era followed a common custom of human sacrifice. The practice was to burn a young person upon an altar called a Tophet. The Old Testament of the Bible mentions this practice and condemns it. Around the Tophet altar, drums would be beaten loudly to drown out the cries of the children being burned alive.

In the days of Ancient Israel the Priests of Baal would blow trumpets to drown out their screams.

The Carthaginians also were worshipers of Baal and sacrificed children on a massive scale. When faced with defeat in Syracuse in 310 B.C., they cast the sons of 500 nobles into a fiery pit, or Tophet, from a scaffold shaped in the likeness of the god Baal. In other words, the Jews have a god which finds blood pleasing. In the words of Mr. Leese, "What sort of a people is this whose god finds the blood obtained from mutilation of human genital organs as 'pleasing?'"

Even though God commanded circumcision, there is no way a reading of Scripture shows that God intended that the procedure turn into a bloody ritual. Besides that, it seems apparent that when Christ nailed the blood ordinances to the cross, he also nailed the circumcision to the cross. "Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing." (Galatians 5:2)if they sacrificed children on a 'massive scale' i doubt,given the high infant mortality rate in those days,that they would have survived as long as they did.ALL Pagan rites were for the intention of survival of the people performing them.killing off your own children would have been counter-productive to that.as in certain countries today,children also cared for their parents in their old-age.no-one would have jepordized that.sacrifice of animals was only carried out with the sacrifice being shared among the worshippers.a sort of spiritual barbeque.

[eternal_spirit]

In Jewish-Bolshevik Soviet Russia mass murders are even now (1997) are being carried out. The executioners are mostly Jewish men and women. In inventing new methods of torture the Jews are past masters. To let Christians die under torture give them the greatest pleasure. English reporters write that the Chinese executioners frequently would not carry out their tortures and executions; they shouldered and could not continue. Therefore, Jews and Jewesses took their place.

"The Jews were now free to indulge in their most fervent fantasies of mass murder of helpless victims. Christians were dragged from their beds, tortured and killed. Some were actually sliced to pieces, bit by bit, while others were branded with hot irons, their eyes poked out to induce unbearable pain. Others were placed in boxes with only their heads, hands and legs sticking out. Then hungry rats were placed in the boxes to gnaw upon their bodies. Some were nailed to the ceiling by their fingers or by their feet, and left hanging until they died of exhaustion. Others were chained to the floor and left hanging until they died of exhaustion.

"Others were chained to the floor and hot lead poured into their mouths. Many were tied to horses and dragged through the streets of the city, while Jewish mobs attacked them with rocks and kicked them to death. Christian mothers were taken to the public square and their babies snatched from their arms. A red Jewish terrorist would take the baby, hold it by the feet, head downward and demand that the Christian mother deny Christ. If she would not, he would toss the baby into the air, and another member of the mob would rush forward and catch it on the tip of his bayonet.

"Pregnant Christian women were chained to trees and their babies cut out of their bodies. There were many places of public execution in Russia during the days of the revolution, one of which was described by the American Rohrbach Commission: 'The whole cement floor of the execution hall of the Jewish Cheka of Kiev was flooded with blood; it formed a level of several inches. It was a horrible mixture of blood, brains and pieces of skull. All the walls were bespattered with blood. Pieces of brains and of scalps were sticking to them. A gutter of 25 centimeters wide by 25 centimeters deep and about 10 meters long was along its length full to the top with blood. Some bodies were disemboweled, others had limbs chopped off, some were literally hacked to pieces. Some had their eyes put out, the head, face and neck and trunk were covered with deep wounds. Further on, we found a corpse with a wedge driven into its chest. Some had no tongues. In a corner we discovered a quantity of dismembered arms and legs belonging to no bodies that we could locate.'" (Defender Magazine, October 1933)

The history of the Jews is written in the blood of Christians.

"Thanks to the terrible power of our International Banks, we have forced the Christians into wars without number. Wars have a special value for Jews, since Christians massacre each other and make more room for us Jews. Wars are the Jews' Harvest: The Jew banks grow fat on Christian wars. Over 100-million Christians have been swept off the face of the earth by wars, and the end is not yet." (Rabbi Reichorn, speaking at the funeral of Grand Rabbi Simeon Ben-Judah, 1869, Henry Ford also noted that: 'It was a Jew who said, 'Wars are the Jews' harvest'; but no harvest is so rich as civil wars.' The International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem, Vol. III, p. 180)

The history of the Jews is written with Christian blood. Their history proves that the Jew is extremely cruel and at the same time a coward. The Jew is not a born soldier; he is a born sadist and murderer. (John 8:44)

[marpat]

Bit wierd how eternal_spirit claims to be non-religious but whenever he/ she posts it is always endorsing christian style claims and he/she always accuses anybody with interest in occultism or other methods of atrocious behaviour.

You, spirit, never seem to mention the inquisition or the conquistadors, or any other mass murder that has gone on in the name of christ.

You seem obsessed by the most ugly subjects that people can find and I suspect that your inner self must be a reflection of these vile posts you keep putting out.

The Jews have been accused of many things (and I don't believe that they are faultless) but a lot of the claim were a deliberate excuse to remove them, suppress them, or kill them. You only have to look at Nazi Germany for an example of how they were blamed for all sorts of ridiculous problems just as an excuse to kill them off.

So where do you stand eternal_spirit? you claim to be non-religious but your posts suggest otherwise as they are always strongly biased towards christianity.

[eternal_spirit]

Bit wierd how eternal_spirit claims to be non-religious but whenever he/ she posts it is always endorsing christian style claims and he/she always accuses anybody with interest in occultism or other methods of atrocious behaviour.

You, spirit, never seem to mention the inquisition or the conquistadors, or any other mass murder that has gone on in the name of christ.

You seem obsessed by the most ugly subjects that people can find and I suspect that your inner self must be a reflection of these vile posts you keep putting out.

The Jews have been accused of many things (and I don't believe that they are faultless) but a lot of the claim were a deliberate excuse to remove them, suppress them, or kill them. You only have to look at Nazi Germany for an example of how they were blamed for all sorts of ridiculous problems just as an excuse to kill them off.

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What's up Jew boy, you don't like a goy like me exposing your sick religion. Truth hurts doesn't it sucker. Go read the link and educate yourself. Any serious researcher should do the same

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com
The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice

BTW the inquisition some say was the Jesuits ( Jews ) who infiltrated the Christian Church. Besides it's more than likely pro satanic propaganda what you read about the inquisition maybe who knows?

PS, you're the military man "trained killer".

[eternal_spirit]

The Jews have been accused of many things (and I don't believe that they are faultless) but a lot of the claim were a deliberate excuse to remove them, suppress them, or kill them. You only have to look at Nazi Germany for an example of how they were blamed for all sorts of ridiculous problems just as an excuse to kill them off.

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You're wasting your lies here, some of us know what really happened.

Jewish Zionist's who financed the Bolshevik revolution killed around 30 million ( mostly christians and non jews where massacred and starved to death on purpose ) even more some figures say 60 too 100 million if you include forced famines stopping shipments of food, by blockading the transport systems, this evil continued up until 1958, until the death of Stalin ( Jew)

Where where the allies and the USA British troops etc then? No where to be seen, because the leaders, politicians and heads of the military where Zionist Jews.


BTW many more millions of Germans died than Jews, the Germans where starved to death and put into concentration camps by the allies after the War. How do you know some of the old black and white pictures aren't really Germans?

Many mind control and torture methods would of been experimented with in the Gulags.

Think British Israelists ( think Jerusalem, knights Templar, who became the Masons, think NWO, they wanted to destroy Germany and Russia because they where strong independant nations who wouldn't tow the line of the NWO globalists plane.

Same as Iraqu and any other independant countries, why else would they spread so much propaganda and destroy these peoples?

This is what the Zionist media and publishers of the so called official history books don't want you to know.

Go here to know the score http://www.jewwatch.com/

This site has come under attack many times by the Zionists, doesn't that tell you something? his site has many truths. See who's behind and controls the NWO and the Masons etc. Then read the Protocols of Zion see what's in that and compare it with what's going on in the World Today then you'll know the score.


British Israelists the British Crown is part of this lot they think they can claim ancestory to the 12 tribes of Isreal. So do the Yahwe lot, Look at the genocide against the Arabic people by the Zionsist Jews, These are the ruling Elite. I think you need to look at this master race mentality it was the Zionists who barbarically sterilized the German people.

[marpat]

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What's up Jew boy, you don't like a goy like me exposing your sick religion. Truth hurts doesn't it sucker. Go read the link and educate yourself. Any serious researcher should do the same

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com
The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice

BTW the inquisition some say was the Jesuits ( Jews ) who infiltrated the Christian Church. Besides it's more than likely pro satanic propaganda what you read about the inquisition maybe who knows?

PS, you're the military man "trained killer".

Ha ha your a real dick. I am not even baptised. You really hate the Jews don't you? your mixed a race person so what races are you mixed from? perhaps something Muslim?
so what, I am a military person, many people are. Is there a point for bringing that up? More of a technician than a trained killer though. Probably kill people with electricity or something.

Well it would seem clear that you are a really ugly, nasty little person. I bet you have lots of time by yourself to fill your mind with your crap. You should join combat 18 and you may find yourself amongst people of similar mind sets to yourself. You may even get some friends, but don't hold your breath.

I like your information sources, nothing out of the ordinary there. LOL

PS was goy meant to be gay? or perhaps a combination of gay and boy?

[eternal_spirit]

Ha ha your a real dick. I am not even baptised. You really hate the Jews don't you? your mixed a race person so what races are you mixed from? perhaps something Muslim?
so what, I am a military person, many people are. Is there a point for bringing that up? More of a technician than a trained killer though. Probably kill people with electricity or something.

Well it would seem clear that you are a really ugly, nasty little person. I bet you have lots of time by yourself to fill your mind with your crap. You should join combat 18 and you may find yourself amongst people of similar mind sets to yourself. You may even get some friends, but don't hold your breath.

I like your information sources, nothing out of the ordinary there. LOL

PS was goy meant to be gay? or perhaps a combination of gay and boy?


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Believe what ever delusions you like, It's obvious you're only here to mock and shoot the messenger. Proves you have more in common with the Babylonian Talmud the most racist book which spawned the most racist religion on Earth, have an Egyptian fetish do we?

[marpat]

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Believe what ever delusions you like, It's obvious you're only here to mock and shoot the messenger. Proves you have more in common with the Babylonian Talmud the most racist book which spawned the most racist religion on Earth, have an Egyptian fetish do we?

You consider yourself important enough to be a messenger? maybe for right wing propoganda. You never show your colours do you? So why the Jew hating? are you a Muslim perhaps?

Do you like my picture of serpents being beheaded? I think it looks quite good. Maybe I should not have any interests in ancient culture in case some nutter thinks it's bad. You should read up on Egypt. I'll bet the only woman (or man maybe) who you could score with would have to be wrapped up in bandages. It seems strange that the idea of fetishes is so close to the surface of your mind as to pollute my post with it.

I am not here to mock you although shooting you should be an option. It would save you from your sad, empty life.

[eternal_spirit]

You consider yourself important enough to be a messenger? maybe for right wing propoganda. You never show your colours do you? So why the Jew hating? are you a Muslim perhaps?

Do you like my picture of serpents being beheaded? I think it looks quite good. Maybe I should not have any interests in ancient culture in case some nutter thinks it's bad. You should read up on Egypt. I'll bet the only woman (or man maybe) who you could score with would have to be wrapped up in bandages. It seems strange that the idea of fetishes is so close to the surface of your mind as to pollute my post with it.

I am not here to mock you although shooting you should be an option. It would save you from your sad, empty life.
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You lost the debate many posts ago, so you dish out the insults. Are you a Jew perhaps? With all the anti-christ posts? What ever you think I am couldn't be further from the truth of who and what I am, some know me here, unlike you, some halfwit who drifts onto the forum spouting venomous spiel at other members, now go change your nappy Egyptian mummie boy, and come back when you've grown up, wised up and done some serious research.

You should read up on the Holocaust revisionists ( ask why they are sent to prison, you're allowed to revise any other event in History without the risk of prison, doesn't that tell you that some of them are speaking truths and others are trying to hide those truths.

BTW most right wing groups are false flag ops, set up by the ones who claim they are against such groups, then they try accuse good people like David Icke of being a neo nazi, WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

You started on me buster, so don't play the innocent party here WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

The Egyptian's were into Slavery big time. The pyramids were an illusion of grandeur and a superiority fetish of the Elite Priesthood and Pharoes, built with the blood of the slaves, you can keep Cleopatra's dildo, You may need it for your own personal use on lonely nights, you can keep your God Matt who want's the the blood of the innocents who where sacraficed by his followers, stuff your Babylonian Talmudic evil scum, wake the fuck up it's 2008!

[paganus]

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You lost the debate many posts ago, so you dish out the insults. Are you a Jew perhaps? With all the anti-christ posts? What ever you think I am couldn't be further from the truth of who and what I am, some know me here, unlike you, some halfwit who drifts onto the forum spouting venomous spiel at other members, now go change your nappy Egyptian mummie boy, and come back when you've grown up, wised up and done some serious research.

You should read up on the Holocaust revisionists ( ask why they are sent to prison, you're allowed to revise any other event in History without the risk of prison, doesn't that tell you that some of them are speaking truths and others are trying to hide those truths.

BTW most right wing groups are false flag ops, set up by the ones who claim they are against such groups, then they try accuse good people like David Icke of being a neo nazi, WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

You started on me buster, so don't play the innocent party here WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

The Egyptian's were into Slavery big time. The pyramids were an illusion of grandeur and a superiority fetish of the Elite Priesthood and Pharoes, built with the blood of the slaves, you can keep Cleopatra's dildo, You may need it for your own personal use on lonely nights, you can keep your God Matt who want's the the blood of the innocents who where sacraficed by his followers, stuff your Babylonian Talmudic evil scum, wake the fuck up it's 2008!the Pyramids wernt built by slaves.thats a jewish lie.

[marpat]

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You lost the debate many posts ago, so you dish out the insults. Are you a Jew perhaps? With all the anti-christ posts? What ever you think I am couldn't be further from the truth of who and what I am, some know me here, unlike you, some halfwit who drifts onto the forum spouting venomous spiel at other members, now go change your nappy Egyptian mummie boy, and come back when you've grown up, wised up and done some serious research.

You should read up on the Holocaust revisionists ( ask why they are sent to prison, you're allowed to revise any other event in History without the risk of prison, doesn't that tell you that some of them are speaking truths and others are trying to hide those truths.

BTW most right wing groups are false flag ops, set up by the ones who claim they are against such groups, then they try accuse good people like David Icke of being a neo nazi, WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

You started on me buster, so don't play the innocent party here WE KNOW HOW THEY PLAY THEIR DECEITFUL GAMES!

The Egyptian's were into Slavery big time. The pyramids were an illusion of grandeur and a superiority fetish of the Elite Priesthood and Pharoes, built with the blood of the slaves, you can keep Cleopatra's dildo, You may need it for your own personal use on lonely nights, you can keep your God Matt who want's the the blood of the innocents who where sacraficed by his followers, stuff your Babylonian Talmudic evil scum, wake the fuck up it's 2008!


For somebody who knows how deceitful games are played you aren't half suckered into replying to a post.
You say i am being nasty but look at your own posts. I think I just got a bit close to the mark and it hurts you. I bet you will have to sooth yoursef with some porn now.

[marpat]

the Pyramids wernt built by slaves.thats a jewish lie.


Yup, has been prove but spirit will say that we are misled!!!!! after all his nazi sites have given him the facts of history.

[eternal_spirit]

For somebody who knows how deceitful games are played you aren't half suckered into replying to a post.
You say i am being nasty but look at your own posts. I think I just got a bit close to the mark and it hurts you. I bet you will have to sooth yoursef with some porn now.

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Mupet the baiter the master baiter. Were you the kid at school, who the wanker of a headmaster, said Come with me Master Bates? :D

[eternal_spirit]

Quote:
Originally Posted by paganus http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=277777#post277777)
the Pyramids wernt built by slaves.thats a jewish lie.

Quote: marpat
Yup, has been prove but spirit will say that we are misled!!!!! after all his nazi sites have given him the facts of history.

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Some times some people post the most illogical contradictions that even a blind man could spot.
Who built them then the Pharoes lol:rolleyes: Doubt it they'd be too busy sat on their royal asses.

Guess you think the one link I posted on this thread is from a Nazi site, strange because it's from a Christian site I'd imagine.

All that wanking made you blind couldn't read the link ;)

[marpat]

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Mupet the baiter the master baiter. Were you the kid at school, who the wanker of a headmaster, said Come with me Master Bates? :D


Awesome stuff that!!! I can see us being good friends

[eternal_spirit]

Awesome stuff that!!! I can see us being good friends

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I have a feeling we may have met before. Only a theory mind.

[marpat]

Quote:
Originally Posted by paganus http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=277777#post277777)
the Pyramids wernt built by slaves.thats a jewish lie.

Quote: marpat
Yup, has been prove but spirit will say that we are misled!!!!! after all his nazi sites have given him the facts of history.

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Some times some people post the most illogical contradictions that even a blind man could spot.
Who built them then the Pharoes lol:rolleyes: Doubt it they'd be too busy sat on their royal asses.

Guess you think the one link I posted on this thread is from a Nazi site, strange because it's from a Christian site I'd imagine.

All that wanking made you blind couldn't read the link ;)

I don't need to read your links as they are crap. It has been proven that the pyramid builders were actually skilled Eqyptian workmen. The Hebrew slave theory was invented in an attempt to fill a gap in understanding. Nowadays this is seen as wrong but if you want to believe the Hollywood version of history then that is your right

[eternal_spirit]

I don't need to read your links as they are crap. It has been proven that the pyramid builders were actually skilled Eqyptian workmen. The Hebrew slave theory was invented in an attempt to fill a gap in understanding. Nowadays this is seen as wrong but if you want to believe the Hollywood version of history then that is your right

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No I don't believe in Holywood, its a Jewish run and owned propaganda industry, maybe you believe the movies they make about the
Holowcust.

[drael]

Who built them then the Pharoes lol Doubt it they'd be too busy sat on their royal asses.

Those stones can be lifted with one finger with anti-grav technology.

[paganus]

and lets not forget that some pyramids were there before the Eygptians got there.also the fact that slaves make shit craftsman.

[marpat]

and lets not forget that some pyramids were there before the Eygptians got there.also the fact that slaves make shit craftsman.

At least paganus has actually got his head screwed on!!!!!

[mynameis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by paganus http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/buttons_green/viewpost.gif (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=277777#post277777)
the Pyramids wernt built by slaves.thats a jewish lie.

Quote: marpat
Yup, has been prove but spirit will say that we are misled!!!!! after all his nazi sites have given him the facts of history.

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Some times some people post the most illogical contradictions that even a blind man could spot.
Who built them then the Pharoes lol:rolleyes: Doubt it they'd be too busy sat on their royal asses.

Guess you think the one link I posted on this thread is from a Nazi site, strange because it's from a Christian site I'd imagine.

All that wanking made you blind couldn't read the link ;)

How do you know? Where you alive then? The Hyksos did take slaves, I'm sure the people they enslaved weren't only used for collateral against an uprising back in Caanan. You make it sound as though they were there for the weather, which also has just about as much merit as your argument of non hard facts.

[mynameis]

ritual murder and the drinking of human blood (especially Christian blood). As a scholar, he could not have failed to note the many attested incidents of this practice of the Jews, for hundreds of example of ritual murder by the Jews are cited in official Catholic books, in every European literature, and in the court records of all the European nations.

http://www.thewatcherfiles.com
The History of Jewish Human Sacrifice

Your not off topic, but you don't talk about the history of the Church of those days which tried getting the Jewish population in Europe to convert to their Catholicism over the death of Christ. Therefore anything was used erroneously or not to daemonize the Jewish people as an ethnic group real or imagined was fair game. Spanish Inquisition ring a bell? I suppose you think that they were burning just Jewish people, you and nickatoon seem to like that a lot. And I bet you are both the same person hiding behind each screen name as well. Get some history from some real books and some real experts.

[mynameis]

if they sacrificed children on a 'massive scale' i doubt,given the high infant mortality rate in those days,that they would have survived as long as they did.ALL Pagan rites were for the intention of survival of the people performing them.killing off your own children would have been counter-productive to that.as in certain countries today,children also cared for their parents in their old-age.no-one would have jepordized that.sacrifice of animals was only carried out with the sacrifice being shared among the worshippers.a sort of spiritual barbeque.

No the first born was given to god before sacrifice was outlawed. There could be a group of Zvi's followers who are out to discredit the good population. If there is any proof beyond a reasonable doubt, like people who have been found guilty and tried in a court, and not exonerated I'd like to see it. Jewish people are about as child murdering as any other group on the planet, no more no less dangerous than Anton Levay his self.

[thirdwave]

A few flagged posts going around, and I have seen a few racial slurs and comments go around the forum today and a couple spotted on this thread, please can we be a little more selective with our words regarding this as the forum does not want to promote any form of racism and will dish out points should it continue..... as the forum guide lines state.

[paganus]

No the first born was given to god before sacrifice was outlawed. There could be a group of Zvi's followers who are out to discredit the good population. If there is any proof beyond a reasonable doubt, like people who have been found guilty and tried in a court, and not exonerated I'd like to see it. Jewish people are about as child murdering as any other group on the planet, no more no less dangerous than Anton Levay his self.i was refering to the abrahamic lie of Pagan child sacrifice.

[mynameis]

i was refering to the abrahamic lie of Pagan child sacrifice.

So was I. What are you referring too?

[paganus]

So was I. What are you referring too?i thought you were suddenly talking about jews.

[mynameis]

i thought you were suddenly talking about jews.

The two differences in either there were real human sacrifices pre-Moses in Egypt, or there weren't. Remember that most of these human sacrifices didn't start with the Jewish people, but were rampant throughout antiquity.

[paganus]

The two differences in either there were real human sacrifices pre-Moses in Egypt, or there weren't. Remember that most of these human sacrifices didn't start with the Jewish people, but were rampant throughout antiquity.its still rampant today.how many are sacrificed for popular opinion on america's death row,when its never reduced the murder rate?how many sacrificed in wars for greed and political points scoring?

[mynameis]

its still rampant today.how many are sacrificed for popular opinion on america's death row,when its never reduced the murder rate?how many sacrificed in wars for greed and political points scoring?

It takes the whole of congress to declare war. It's up to the individual solder volunteer to fight in said war for greed and political scoring points, is it not? Wars and persecution of any kind are evil. Hiding crimes are also illegal and the FBI has been excellent at hiding many of these ruling class crimes from the awareness of the general public. There's a world wide problem that's not in any nation, group, religion, race, color, or ethnicity. It's a human problem with human perpetrators. It will take a rigid and inflexible hand to decimate these criminal elite.

[chicken]

human sacrifice? Try the Order of Nine Angles.......UK based

chicken

[kanut]

How very immature you are in relation to distinguishing who is of the physical body, and who of the spiritual body in Hebrew Text! You sound to me like you have some form of mental block between your left hemisphere Who Dare's Win's Super Id, and your right hemisphere Bosse connected to the seat of your consciousness via the solar plexus nerve, and a complete lack of Syneasthesis subconscious Memory, and usually that mean's you are most likely either born via Cesarian Section, and by-passed the Magnetic Polarity Birth-Spin Crowning of your head's, rendering your magnetic pineal gland useless in distinguisihing between 'Light', and 'Dark', or rather, 'Lie', and 'Fact', ! You don't even have the mental capacity to understand the concept of Metempsychosis whatsover, yet you all claim to have Intellegance enough to know why Ziegmond Freude's Dad called his son by the name of a 'Nanny Goat's Pleasure', which relates to a 'Shaking Kundalini', and you've all been mentally left hemisphered by conditioned or surgical mean's, ie; Science, all your live's, instead of Dual Hemisphered like the Ancient's! To start with, Hebrew mean's "One from the other side", which mean's the other side of the body of flesh, which is the body of the spirit, not when your in your skin, ie; when your spirit is seperated from the body of the flesh in time and space, not when your pissed to the hilt, and fucking your kid's! Don't you know the difference between 'Peadophilia', and 'Pedantic', ? Why do the American's spell 'Peadophile', as 'Pedaphile' in their education! I could put any one of you under an MRI Scanner, and show your mental incapacity for coherenct conscience between both hemisphere's of your brain in less than 3 second's, so when did the Simple Truth get turned into a Simpleton then!
Now several of you have now admitted on recorded data, that you follow the man made corrupted form of Scripture's to give you the right to sexually abuse children, and use spiritual related text's from Scripture's as a Scapegoat for your abuse's, which the body of the flesh is accountable for it's action's upon another seperate entity! No matter how many kid's you have by a physical female, man use's Holy Scritpure, ie; Holy as in Ghost, as in Spiritual Text, as a Scapegoat for his physical abuse's upon another, and no ammount of half brained Freemason Nazi fucking about in Public Record's in Council's, Police and Law, and the NH$, to cover up those abuse's, is going to save your physical body from it's timely end! And I know for Sure now, that as many man made Church's there are on this planet, using the Bible and Hebrew/Chaldea Scipture's in their Religious Order's, havn't even read those Scripture's they claim to represent, as otherwise, they would have found the text that state's, "All is Spiritual, and not of this world", which is Christ Jesus/Jesus Christ, Code for a Physical Body, and a Spiritual Body! so which Body are You of then, and don't forget, you're sat at a man made computer consul to read this!
Now, the whole planet know's all about the Vatican's 'Join Us, we'll keep your arse clean in the Public Record's Department's via Our Freemason 'Fama Fraturnitatis' , "You Scratch Our Back's, We'll Scratch Your's", deal, and, How much it cost's to have your Public Record's 'Bleached' by the Freemason Police, as well as getting your brain's 'Bleached' by the M.O.D., and Working 'Puppy' half brianed Dog's At Home Association of fake actor's of fake historical shit, whilst standing in the bottom of a make shift coffin with a skull and bone's painted in the bottom of it, which is the last thing you see before your W(h)ayko'ed on the back of the head with a cattle batton, and you call that Redemtion! Now who dosn't know Typhoo Tea has been putting Morphine in your tea since the 50's to cover up a nation under Fake Satanic Drury Lane Bad Actor's Club Rule, just another Nazi half brained Schitzo Un-Superior Bleached White Brained Munchausen Elite, that made children build your planet with a Fake Howard Carter Ketamine Experiment in School's on kid's for a Fucked Up Establishment only interested in it for the Greed in the Publishing Cheque, because there's No Law's for children work in school's when they're officially Dead on Ketamine in the Head Master's Office, and Mr Carnigie or his Industrialist half brained Peadophile Fellow, want's to fuck a Judah/Bright Kid/Jew, for the cheque they get for their Dream's!
When you fuck about with the Dead, and their Identity to cover up your crime's against Nature's Humanity, you'ed better make Sure You Are Physically Dead before you use Oliver Cromwell's 'Self Denying Ordincance', because that just render's you a half brained Schitzo with no escape from your skin whatsoever, and no redemtion, only death! And thus, you have your fake Majik Cirkle of Schitzophrenic Stockholm Syndrome W(h)akyo'ed on the back of the head Society, that think's media trickery over a man made tv system prove's alien's exist, when your all fucking alien's to YOU CONSCIOUS SELVE'S, being furcking half brain's over the age of 5 year's old! As if the whole planet didn't know the Nazi/Mormon Moron's in the BBC have been getting Free Hydro Electricity from under Wyrchbold, in Worc's, since 1952, and hyping the whole planet into paranoia over lack of fuel for yet another planned War Of The World's TV Satalite Array in Nebraska, projecting all over the sky's their fake alien's for 2012! How pathetic the whole planet of so called Human's can't distinguish between 'lawless', and 'Lore-less'! What side of your brain is known as 'The Pope', and which 'The King', in psychology, or didn't you know your Pineal and Pitruitry gland's were suposed to last you till your old age death so that you have the neural ability to "Keep The Passover", from death to life! No, Your All Fucking Useless in right hemisphere conscious coherence, unless your under 5 man made year's old, born naturally to the magnetic geographical reference in the Earth's Magnetic Lay Line Time and Space Solar Coordiate System. with an active right hemisphere Bosse, of which YOU Prove You Are Incapable Of! How much did you get in your pocket for bending over? Was it worth the Senile Dementure's you're going to get as your wage's from D.A.D. then! The World came of age a long time ago, how come your still into a kid's nappy! Is it cuz you got the Scarab Beetle changed into a lump of turd in your education of 'Half Brain Eat's Half Brain/Dog Eat Dog' Society! Now that's what I call a Pavolovian Hardcore Ilegal Porn Video Conditioned Society, and we all know what the Taxi
Trade is for in the M.O.D's. and how many Doctor Shipman's in 10 Riddle-ington Place's in every NH$ Surgery, are faking record's for their Schitzo Brother's in the Playground Bully's Club, because it's easy to corrupt a man than it is a women, unless you put her on BSE Fucked up in the sense's stupid Cow Hormone Treatment, and Speed to fuck up her Arcadian clock so that she's fast asleep while you fuck the kid's, and blame her for your incapability to physically restrain yourselve's in the M.O.D's. Punch and Judy A-ssult D-addie's H-ome D-romedary Panza Manley 'Beer' Hall Club, and think you can hide within the Public Record's as the innocent, and all the time your playing reverse psychology game's just like a Classic Schitzo that hasnt got the bollock's to face the truth about himself! And You call Yourselve's Adult Men!!!!!!! Why don't you get on the Roslyn Winding Apprentice Pillar, ie; '$', the Cadaseus Rod of Arran; pick any Lay Line within 3 feet of your immature self, and Pole Yoursleve's until you can wake up to yourselve's and your fake shit on Fall Guy's called Fawlke's, as in 3 prong's on the devil's Rod! Your full of crap, you need to empty it out before your head's explode and you turn into senile demented zombie's for Nazi Hollywood and Peadophile Walt Diseny and Nasa, which has been their entertainment since Germany took over Europe in the Cine/Sine, Jeannette in Dutch, Vatican's 'Condemnation Of' The
Turk's Check Mate War, 1848! So now ask your Freemason Lodge Grand Master, what the fuck are they doing holding a Sterling Silver Press Plate depicting the Prophet Mohammed, standing in front of the Karbah, which was engraved in 1848, from the original Bulach Press of the Ottomon Empire, got to do with a little girl called The Black Rose; and when you work that one out, you might know what 200 year's between the body of the Prophet Mohammed, and the Spirit of a 6 year old girl that wear's a false beared is!!!!
You think the Holy Grail is some man made object that you are one day going to discover in the bottom of grandad's trunk, which is delusional conditioning from your half brained W(h)akyo'ed on the back of the head bleached Elitist bollock's they use on patheich idiot's as their audience in the movie industry! So come on, where's your ability to travel in Time and Spacew when all your half brain is capable of achieving is 'half the truth = half the brain' Munchausen Club! You couldn't tell yourself the truth about your D.A.D's cock up your arse's, because that's how your man made religious 'Dog-Ma' reverse psychology fucked itself up, and You Blame Nature For What You Do!
fuck Off Alein half brain, go get your brain degrade Flu Jab off your Nazi G.P. so that you can remain in the 'Womb of the Somme' like a Cesarian is all it's useless life, because you don't have the mental capacity to remember the last 2 second's of your lying ass live's with, and you think you can revert to Youth from the Holy Scripture's with the dysfunctional turd you call your brain's when you can't even decipher what the Roll of a Book, '$', Scrip, is! '$', this symbol is used by the World Health Organisation, yet your all paranoid of a repitilan alien race attacking you from out of space, when your solar Plexus Nerve's in your body were represented by Twin Serpent's upon the Riod of the Cadaseus by the ancient's, and boy, did they have more fucking intelligence than the shit head Scientist you've got on this planet, it's a wonder you know how to breath you fucking bunch of Neandatholic Waste Product's! Get your right hemisphere Bosse active, then you might wake up to pathertic selve's still into fucking about in nappies with the baby still in them is NOT IN ANY HOLY SCRIPTURE'S ON THIS PLANET, you fucking half brain useless excuse for a humanoidal!!!! Go on, use your Dark Power to get rid of Canaan, Hebrew/Chaldea for 'The Depressed', just like the Labour Government has already gobbed off about in Parliamnet, Live BBC just 2 day's ago, yet you say you can read Shakespeare, when you can't even read the Bible!!!!! Yet it's Your fucked up Nazi half brained Scientist's that fed million's of innocent people on pancreas depleating anti-depressant's to cover up youtr abuse's and persecution's of witnesses against you, just like the fucking little boy bully club in the school playground cant fucking grow up and be accountable for his own action's, and in this day and age of so called intelligence, you still have prison's as a result of your dysfunctional 'Best Education in the World' from the Government when they got to youu to bend over for a cock up your arse ands call it The Awaking to the Dawn Club, when al;l your awake to is the fear of being held to ransom by your Freemason Brother who set you up on video with a prostitute or a kid! Now try to redeem your useless selve's when this planet Pole's itself to get rid of the excess of human infected useless waste off her Back, cuz that's whn you lot will be screaming for your Mother!
What your name is Lakovski, because of the lack of Right Hemisphere Syneastheic Subconscious memory, ie' YOUTH, you have at your fucking OLD age half brain in a half brain Society, that think's crimianl's were shipped out to Austrailia when they ran away from the LORE of the Land, and there's no where to hide from any Lay Line, no matter how many rail track's you build over them!