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lotusdnb
12-11-2010, 01:47 AM
im stuck in it. its like ive awoken in the DREAM dream.
if theres no proof anything outside my mind exists, or my mind is in fact creating it, then wat becomes the definition of other people? are they figments of my mind?
Is this world just a game you play where your are only limited by your mind?at the moment the only conclusion i can draw is we all live our own seperate personal universes, that all interlock SOMEHOW. the interlocking may be like, the key to everyone understanding life.
thoughts?
curtaincat
15-11-2010, 02:48 PM
im stuck in it. its like ive awoken in the DREAM dream.
if theres no proof anything outside my mind exists, or my mind is in fact creating it, then wat becomes the definition of other people? are they figments of my mind?
Is this world just a game you play where your are only limited by your mind?at the moment the only conclusion i can draw is we all live our own seperate personal universes, that all interlock SOMEHOW. the interlocking may be like, the key to everyone understanding life.
thoughts?
who r u ? there is only me :) only me
miguean
15-11-2010, 03:21 PM
who r u ? there is only me :) only me
you guys are doing a good job in playing a role in my life too bad you dont exist ;)
passing
15-11-2010, 06:23 PM
it's solipsism - am I the only one who knows that? :D
passing
15-11-2010, 06:25 PM
the only conclusion i can draw is we all live our own seperate personal universes, that all interlock SOMEHOW
If they all interlock somehow, why is that description different from saying we all exist in one shared universe? I mean, being in separate bodies isn't a secret, or a surprise. :)
alisa2
15-11-2010, 07:25 PM
im stuck in it. its like ive awoken in the DREAM dream.
if theres no proof anything outside my mind exists, or my mind is in fact creating it, then wat becomes the definition of other people? are they figments of my mind?
Is this world just a game you play where your are only limited by your mind?at the moment the only conclusion i can draw is we all live our own seperate personal universes, that all interlock SOMEHOW. the interlocking may be like, the key to everyone understanding life.
thoughts?
If there is one Infinite, there cannot be another, for the other would limit the one, and thus render it finite. The Infinite is one. In this Universe, there is two. The "awakening" to infinite consciousness occurs when the illusion of the two (Infinite and this Universe) break. When two become one.
infinite tea
15-11-2010, 08:25 PM
It is all YOU....it's not that anything doesn't exist...it's that it IS ALL YOU. The dreamer IS the dream. YOU are not your body or your mind...YOU are a point of consciousness with no form, no location, no mass, no preference. Experience flows through YOU at a rate which you feel comfortable with, as you let go your resistance to experience drops and the rate of flow increases....it is sometimes referred to as vibration increasing. The faster the flow the fuller the perception of what YOU are becomes allowing you to let go further.
There are two YOU/you's - YOU is the truth, you is the incomplete perception.
armoured_amazon
15-11-2010, 08:30 PM
It is all YOU....it's not that anything doesn't exist...it's that it IS ALL YOU. The dreamer IS the dream. YOU are not your body or your mind...YOU are a point of consciousness with no form, no location, no mass, no preference. Experience flows through YOU at a rate which you feel comfortable with, as you let go your resistance to experience drops and the rate of flow increases....it is sometimes referred to as vibration increasing. The faster the flow the fuller the perception of what YOU are becomes allowing you to let go further.
There are two YOU/you's - YOU is the truth, you is the incomplete perception.
No, it's not; it's all ME :D
infinite tea
19-11-2010, 10:41 PM
No, it's not; it's all ME :D
Same thing, you and me are the same thing looking at ourself from different viewpoints :-)
curtaincat
21-11-2010, 02:40 PM
Same thing, you and me are the same thing looking at ourself from different viewpoints :-)
I already said that ! There is only me :)
kurupted_flesh
27-11-2010, 11:46 PM
My mind is so fantastically expansive and ominiscient that I like of think of it in the way that Winston describes O'Brien's in 1984, as containing his, or, other people's minds, plus more. Many people report an ego death when they meditate for hours but I find that indiciative of how lowly and uninspired their original thought pattern and imagination was to begin with. Freestyle rap is a very good way of identifying the true right-brain geniuses, and spontaneous (matrix-breaking) thinkers, amongst us. I do it at random intervals to increase mental sharpness and speed of thought.
mauviene
04-12-2010, 03:40 AM
It is indeed all you. In fact everything is you the same time that it is me. Fascinating. We are all indeed a part of the same mind which is god..
energi
13-12-2010, 06:00 PM
You should had put a disclaimer:
http://games.gearlive.com/blogimages/head_asplode.jpg
(joking ;-])
You are right. But I'd lay off the E and pot for a while.
gushen
27-12-2010, 09:02 PM
Other beings are reflections of you (the real you). They are like traits of your personality, some of which you haven't discovered yet. Notice that as you evolve, you incorporate certain traits of personality from other people. Example: every now and then you catch yourself acting like one of your old friends, etc.
Solipsism cannot be proven or disproven, yet I think it's the only answer that makes sense because it imparts infinite responsibility. Any other answer is a escape route. Any other answer is easier to believe in.
"Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true." — Francis Bacon
Other creatures in your universe are other aspects of you; they are missing pieces of you. As you interact with them, you are complementing your being. Therefore, the more you get to know YOUR universe and all the creatures in it, the more complete / whole you feel. So, even though you are all alone, you aren't supposed to feel lonely or incomplete.
arbonautti
31-12-2010, 08:32 PM
im stuck in it. its like ive awoken in the DREAM dream.
if theres no proof anything outside my mind exists, or my mind is in fact creating it, then wat becomes the definition of other people? are they figments of my mind?
Is this world just a game you play where your are only limited by your mind?at the moment the only conclusion i can draw is we all live our own seperate personal universes, that all interlock SOMEHOW. the interlocking may be like, the key to everyone understanding life.
thoughts?
That interlocking area is called the objective reality and recognizing it means that your are not really solipsists.
I remember asking a Reiki master, "why is it that you sometimes just meet someone and have an instant dislike to them?" his answer was what you don't like about them is what you don't like about yourself.
I though, easy mystic answer, but the more I checked it the more it seemed to be the case, but maybe all that means is I am solipsistic and think everything revolves around me (even though I know it doesn't)
alisa2
01-01-2011, 05:03 PM
I remember asking a Reiki master, "why is it that you sometimes just meet someone and have an instant dislike to them?" his answer was what you don't like about them is what you don't like about yourself.
Having an instant like or dislike to someone is psychological, which means that you are responsible for your projections. Carrying around a lot psychological baggage in the form of opinions, beliefs, judgments, justifications, fear, guilt, anger, depression, etc., simply means that you're not enlightened.
Dumping the baggage is called Enlightenment.
alisa2
01-01-2011, 06:03 PM
Having an instant like or dislike to someone is psychological, which means that you are responsible for your projections. Carrying around a lot psychological baggage in the form of opinions, beliefs, judgments, justifications, guilt, anger, etc., etc, simply means that you're not enlightened.
Dumping the psychological baggage is called Enlightenment.
I shouldn't forget fear in that list.
Fear, otherwise known in jungian psychology as the subconscious shadow, or simply the shadow.
alisa2
02-01-2011, 01:03 PM
If there's no proof anything outside my mind exists, or my mind is in fact creating it, then what becomes the definition of other people?
Other people are persons just like you: they appear (are born) and disappear (die). It's magical. Didn't you know we are all magicians?
infinite tea
26-07-2011, 09:22 PM
I already said that ! There is only me :)
Yeh but you gotta be careful who you believe yourself to be :-) you are not you.... YOU are YOU. Whatever you believe yourself to be is not what YOU are, what YOU are is beyond definition.....like imagination.
Same thing, you and me are the same thing looking at ourself from different viewpoints :-)
Then why is "my" center of attention on a particular body/ego? How did we do that?
Other beings are reflections of you (the real you). They are like traits of your personality, some of which you haven't discovered yet.
Not 100% reflections of one's personality, right? That'd mean they just don't exist the way you perceive them. Then it means that we indeed live entirely different lives that "all interlock SOMEHOW"... with a vast encoding/decoding system for every transmission.
It's related to the question of whether we actually all see the same colors, even though we recognize them by the same names.
infinite tea
26-07-2011, 10:11 PM
Then why is "my" center of attention on a particular body/ego? How did we do that?
By perceiving yourself to be the imagined object "myself" you imagine your centre away from it's true location - nowhere, thus giving yourself an impression that you are something more than you actually are....which amusingly makes you less than YOU should be :-)
Yes I see that process. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that, while we're all one, I'm living a subjective reality, and, as I've been led to believe during my life, others do so too. :p
So we divided ourselves and we, as the creator/god, are still aware of every single part. (as everything returns to nothingness) That's comprehensible. But how did we become conscious of all these parts, separately?
You see what I mean?
I feel this contradiction can't be understood by the mind...
curtaincat
27-07-2011, 05:25 PM
Yes I see that process. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that, while we're all one, I'm living a subjective reality, and, as I've been led to believe during my life, others do so too. :p
So we divided ourselves and we, as the creator/god, are still aware of every single part. (as everything returns to nothingness) That's comprehensible. But how did we become conscious of all these parts, separately?
You see what I mean?
I feel this contradiction can't be understood by the mind...
Maybe think of it as a jigsaw with billions of pieces... Once it was just a big piece of cardboard with a lovely picture, then it got chopped up into millions or more of connecting parts. ...
... but each part - no matter how far apart - knows that it belongs to the whole.
( that is kinda wot i think when i do jigsaw puzzles)... doing a jigsaw puzzle gives you heaps of time to think about all this stuff.
:cool: :)
The puzzle pieces are not aware of themselves. I wonder how all these self-aware parts can be aware of exclusively themselves. I guess I/ego just don't want to admit that I'm just a process.
ragnarok
27-07-2011, 05:55 PM
I remember asking a Reiki master, "why is it that you sometimes just meet someone and have an instant dislike to them?" his answer was what you don't like about them is what you don't like about yourself.
I though, easy mystic answer, but the more I checked it the more it seemed to be the case, but maybe all that means is I am solipsistic and think everything revolves around me (even though I know it doesn't)
It's not all that zen tho'. I'm guessing at least a couple of Denis Neilson's victims thought at some point up to the time they died "There's something odd about this guy... but hey, he's buying my beer and some chippy later, so fuck it!"
Were they recognising something of themself in the person about to kill them? I doubt it.
infinite tea
27-07-2011, 09:53 PM
Yes I see that process. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that, while we're all one, I'm living a subjective reality, and, as I've been led to believe during my life, others do so too. :p
So we divided ourselves and we, as the creator/god, are still aware of every single part. (as everything returns to nothingness) That's comprehensible. But how did we become conscious of all these parts, separately?
You see what I mean?
I feel this contradiction can't be understood by the mind...
Jesus said mind mediates between soul and spirit.
Mind perceives what is,
Soul exists as an aspect of what is,
Spirit is......everything that is.
Mind cannot perceive everything until it lets go of everything...perception is self limiting by its very nature. To know you must know that you cannot know ;-)