Reptilian Shapeshifter caught on Camera

[abhie]

Looks real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHp31u8z1U8&feature=related

[vienna]

Looks real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHp31u8z1U8&feature=related

I'm seriously tired of this reptilian bullshit now

[abhie]

For you Vienna, its a , what...? a fad? For me its a reality.
I know the way they interface with humans. How they control.

How about some points as to why you are tired? Contribute?

[edelweiss pirate]

Points is the right word...

Anyway the video's gone...

[woghd]

Already saw this last month.
It's photoshopped BS.

Archangel

[abhie]

Points is the right word...

Anyway the video's gone...

Its still there. Could be your browser.

[edelweiss pirate]

Its still there. Could be your browser.

It's back now...

Basically we've reached a point where we can no longer trust video 'evidence'..

This is why the 9-11 no planes theory people are so gung ho and convinced. They've lost faith in video and tv pictures and are in open rebellion to so called video proof.

But then we can't always trust individual testimonies nor can we even trust groups of witnesses....

The only way to be sure.... Is to see for yourself ..

I've seen demons/ghosts but no reppies. I think the world is ruled by the dead... However just because I've never seen reptiles doesn't mean they're not a real phenomenon... but I've been a few weird places and still not see 'em.... but who knows, I might see some tomorrow... never say never.

[abhie]

It's back now...



I've seen demons/ghosts but no reppies. I think the world is ruled by the dead... However just because I've never seen reptiles doesn't mean they're not a real phenomenon... but I've been a few weird places and still not see 'em.... but who knows, I might see some tomorrow... never say never.

Me too.

I've been plagued by demonic entities from childhood.
Im yet to see a reptillian, so I can't confirm their existence either.
But of this Im sure, some kind of an entity, from the depths of the negative dimensions does exist.

They need to feed of our negative energies, and the only way they can do this is thru our own voluntary approval. This is the reason they dont show themselves, and opt for manipulation.

[foreverspirit]

Here's another reptilian for you, if you dare:

What we have to do is speak out wherever possible, and we have to educate others. There will be those who will not listen to any of it and dismiss the information, and dismiss us as crazy "conspiracy theorists". These people have made their decision and should be left to get on with their denial in peace. Concentrate on the ones who are already waking up - and there are plenty of them, and more are waking up all the time.

Tales from the Croc Pot (mp3)http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audio/Alan_Watt_Tales_from_the_Croc_Pot_041606_16.mp3:co ol:

[outofdarknesscomeslight]

I've seen demons/ghosts but no reppies. I've been plagued by demonic entities from childhood.

I've seen/been psychically attacked by demons too. I'd be interested to hear both of your demonic experiences...

Also, there are some (Arizona Wilder, David Icke) that would claim that many of these lower fourth dimensional negative entities/demons are in fact of reptilian origin...

[bigus_dickus]

where is it?

[king]

Looks real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHp31u8z1U8&feature=related

some of the reptilian chasers are just hopeless

[woghd]

This is not a reptilian shapeshift caught on film.

We first saw this almost a month ago. Digital manipulation is actually very easy to spot, that why fake haiti UFOs always get caught. This film has been digitally manipulated. This one is so badly done that even an amateur should be able to spot the errors around the eye of the subject.

Reptilians are real, and many have been caught on film, but this video is not one of those. This video is a hoax.

Archangel

[on the road]

Reptilians are real, and many have been caught on film, but this video is not one of those. This video is a hoax.

Archangel

No offence but I've not seen a one on video.

[foreverspirit]

Me too.

I've been plagued by demonic entities from childhood.
Im yet to see a reptillian, so I can't confirm their existence either.
But of this Im sure, some kind of an entity, from the depths of the negative dimensions does exist.

They need to feed of our negative energies, and the only way they can do this is thru our own voluntary approval. This is the reason they dont show themselves, and opt for manipulation.

I suggest you check out the "Tales From the Crockpot" link I provided, to see how you yourself have created/perpetuated it, with a lot of help from you know who. Listen carefully, sit down, think about it. You'll see it's all a figment (albeit real) of your imagination. Look at how powerful we are!! Create for yourself a better reality and in the long run, for the whole of precious humanity and all living creatures.:cool

[woghd]

Shouldn't this thread be in the reptilian forum?

Archangel

[foreverspirit]

Shouldn't this thread be in the reptilian forum?

Archangel

Shouldn't you find something intelligent to post?:cool:

[abhie]

I've seen/been psychically attacked by demons too. I'd be interested to hear both of your demonic experiences...



Id made a post on the old Forum about my experiences with demonic entities.
I will make a post here someday.

In the meantime , Id written a short story in the Reptillian section here , lloooong back. Its there somewhere. It gives you a hint as to how they operate.

[woghd]

Shouldn't you find something intelligent to post?:cool:

Is there some reason for the rude remark?
I'm sorry, I don't even know you, or are you this rude to everyone...?

It's a reptilian thread, it belongs in the reptilian forum.
Archangel

[vienna]

Here's another reptilian for you, if you dare:

What we have to do is speak out wherever possible, and we have to educate others. There will be those who will not listen to any of it and dismiss the information, and dismiss us as crazy "conspiracy theorists". These people have made their decision and should be left to get on with their denial in peace. Concentrate on the ones who are already waking up - and there are plenty of them, and more are waking up all the time.

Tales from the Croc Pot (mp3)http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.net/audio/Alan_Watt_Tales_from_the_Croc_Pot_041606_16.mp3:co ol:

nice Alan Watt quote there and a welcome injection of sanity into this thread

[woghd]

nice Alan Watt quote there and a welcome injection of sanity into this thread

Yeah great, more Alan Watt. Alan Watt the Icke-basher. I find more stuff about Alan Watt on these forums than I do about David Icke.

Ridiculous.

Archangel

[matrixcutter]

I find more stuff about Alan Watt on these forums than I do about David Icke.
Really?

In that case, 2 questions for you:

1) How much David Icke stuff do you actually look for? (None presumably.)

2) Have you ever actually listened to or read any of the Watt stuff, or are you just going to stick to your tactic of accusing people of being paid trolls (explicitly, but more recently, implicitly, for whatever reason) whenever a link is posted to an Alan Watt mp3/transcript, without having any knowledge of any of the information contained therein?

[soglad]

Divide and rule....

Don't fall for their tactics people....

[matrixcutter]

Divide and rule....

Don't fall for their tactics people....
Archangel Systems?

Yes, at least one of their representatives seems determined to smear Alan Watt, making accusations and telling several blatant lies (that are still up on the forum if anybody wants to read them) to cause conflict, and ultimately, to promote his own website and suppress all criticism of it.

[soglad]

Archangel Systems?

Yes, at least one of their representatives seems determined to smear Alan Watt, making accusations and telling several blatant lies (that are still up on the forum if anybody wants to read them) to cause conflict, and ultimately, to promote his own website and suppress all criticism of it.

Yep, they are responsible to a certain extent, but so are you for reacting and perpetuating it!

You're both sides to the same coin! We know the fucking problems so let's DO SOMETHING and change this fucking world!!!

GOD!!!!

:mad:

[matrixcutter]

What is the problem then? Shape-shifting reptiles reading the news on FOX?

[soglad]

Who cares? Really, what does it matter? We're in serious shit as a race at the moment, and these petty fucking arguments are not helping.

You should apologize to each other and realize you got caught up in the matrix bullshit and will work with each other for the greater good of peace and happiness on planet Earth. That's what we're all trying to do, right?

Honestly, do this, we need to make big changes.

[thirdwave]

Archangel Systems?

Yes, at least one of their representatives seems determined to smear Alan Watt, making accusations and telling several blatant lies (that are still up on the forum if anybody wants to read them) to cause conflict, and ultimately, to promote his own website and suppress all criticism of it.


first of all, Allen Watt has made enough accusations of his own... so he has to expect the same back.... Second of all Soglad is right.

If you put half as much energy in posting revealing info to people on the net and bringing this subject to their attention.. you would be doing twice as much as you are doing now....

You cant force people to think or believe what you think.... but we do all agree that a NWO is being imposed, So IMO you should withdraw from trying to push one preacher above another preacher and just focus on the people who need to listen to one of them!... then let them make their own minds up..that's allllll we can do...then jjust worry about our selves and our own actions.

[matrixcutter]

first of all, Allen Watt has made enough accusations of his own... so he has to expect the same back....
What, one you mean?
I do like reading your posts, they are entertaining.


Second of all Soglad is right.

If you put half as much energy in posting revealing info to people on the net and bringing this subject to their attention.. you would be doing twice as much as you are doing now....
I don't think maths is your strong point. What is, by the way?
I do of course post lots of information on the internet, which you must be fully aware of, even if you didn't know that I post on other forums.


You cant force people to think or believe what you think....
Some can force them not to say what they think though, but they don't seem to want to do that consistently, which is odd.


but we do all agree that a NWO is being imposed, So IMO you should withdraw from trying to push one preacher above another preacher
Is it OK for you to do that, out of interest?


and just focus on the people who need to listen to one of them!... then let them make their own minds up..that's allllll we can do...then jjust worry about our selves and our own actions.
That's lovely, touching moment. I shall expect the same speech the next time woghd tells his lies, which you have somehow inexplicably justified in the same post as the above statements.

So when we see disinformation, say nothing, keep your head down, and just pretend that it isn't happening, right?
Excellent plan. I can see you've thought this through.

[thirdwave]

What, one you mean?
I do like reading your posts, they are entertaining.


you know perfectly well what im talking about as does everyone else that read the huge thread on How Alan Watt has stated how he thinks David Icke is an M16 or Freemason... Im not going to argue the fact he said it as he will be aware him self ...if you want proof then ask him your self... i am not going to put any more energy into it.


I don't think maths is your strong point. What is, by the way?
thats my business, you can think what ever you like...

I do of course post lots of information on the internet, which you must be fully aware of, even if you didn't know that I post on other forums.
I do not actually monitor what you post other than here, looking at your sig and post count, you are clearly a huge fan of Alan Watt and take his work very seriously ineed, love throwing his texts and links around.... But I also feel you put alot of you energy here into trying to convince people to think and believe the same as you self... and that is what I am making my judgement on... IMO you are wasting your time and not really getting any beneficial results other than arguing...

instead of telling people what not to believe.... how about letting people know that there is actually alternative info available and then allowing them to make their own mind up on who they like?

ok maybe people here already know that... so what is it you actually come here for? is it to try and force people away from David Icke and to lure them into the path of the Super Alan Watt?

I am sincerely asking you this... because most of your posts here are quite confrontational and often mocking what other believe.

please answer with out bringing up the fact im a mod.



Some can force them not to say what they think though, but they don't seem to want to do that consistently, which is odd.

ahhh well you see we all think lots of things ...but sadly many get offended by what we think in some cases especially as sometimes we think bad things about people... so when you are in a place that is for lots of people you use a very handy thing called manners and consideration for others... so you try to not always say what you think ..or at least try and put it nicely so others can deal with it better.... sadly that's how life is in the 3D world....

we all know what you think anyway... you think icke is a Freemason and the reptile thing is all for coo coo heads... you think Watt is a legend who everyone should listen too... and you think most of us here are all sheep who follow icke blindly....oh, and the mods here are bullies and maybe masons them selves....
thats what I think you think anyway... and that's wonderful for you...great.... but is there a reason why you have to dedicate a portion of your time into expressing it to us all?... that's what im talking about..


Is it OK for you to do that, out of interest?
No I practise what I preach I offer my time to this place because i believe it can help and give people a place to go and learn more... its a part of my effort... you see, we actually work a little bit on this place... so not any old tom dick and harry come here and stake their claim to it.... I do not go to the Watt forum or anyone elses with Links to David Icke and tell people if they don't believe in reptilians they are too un-evolved and to brainwashed to fathom it.... I offer some info and if they take it I go on... if they don't I walk away.... if they attack me then I attack them back.... its as simple as that.


That's lovely, touching moment. I shall expect the same speech the next time woghd tells his lies, which you have somehow inexplicably justified in the same post as the above statements.
To be honest, you have told a few porkies here your self and it is you who is continuously trying to tell him he is fake.... if he is fake then so what?..you cant prove it... he either believes in reps or is pretending to.. but who are you to make that judgement?... He is not braking rules by posting what he believes... if you think he is fake then why bother reading his threads?... or why not just air your views and walk away... saying he has not been given points or warnings is a lie in its self because he has.

So when we see disinformation, say nothing, keep your head down, and just pretend that it isn't happening, right?
Excellent plan. I can see you've thought this through.
If you think something is disinfo... then by all means place your views down that counter it.... its called a debate. ... but you do not allways debate in my view... you accuse... the fact is you cant find out if someone is disinfo in the internet anyway.... way to easy to manipulate is the internet...

I often feel people are pushing disinfo here... but feel free to point out when I have accused them of being a Mason...or that they are stupid... or lying...

[matrixcutter]

we all know what you think anyway... you think icke is a Freemason and the reptile thing is all for coo coo heads... you think Watt is a legend who everyone should listen too... and you think most of us here are all sheep who follow icke blindly....oh, and the mods here are bullies and maybe masons them selves....
thats what I think you think anyway...
You can try to put words in my mouth if you feel you need to. It is interesting that you do feel the need to.


No I practise what I preach
No, you don't. You often criticise people for doing what you do yourself, often in the very same post as this criticism.


To be honest, you have told a few porkies here your self
A few porkies? In that case, you won't have a problem naming a few, or even one.

Let me guess, something I have said, out of context, or distorted to the point of not being what I said, as you have done in this post, and a few others too.


he has not been given points or warnings is a lie in its self because he has.
Where did I say that? I have said that there are double standards here, because there are. Several other people have witnessed this, and have been punished for pointing it out.

How many points was he given, how many times, and how often has been unable to post? (Out of interest.)


If you think something is disinfo... then by all means place your views down that counter it.... its called a debate.
LOL
I have been punished several times for doing that.
You have no shame at all.

[seer74]

WOW!!! Simmer DOWN!!!

I sure hope there aren't too many people looking at this forum who don't at least know there really is a NWO trying to suck their soul out. GEEZ

SOMEBODY here (i don't know who) has GOT to be a troll.

to anybody that's not sure this stuff or some part of it or something is real, we're not argueing with each other because we're a bunch of nut-jobs with OCD , delusions, paranoia, no life, etc. etc. we're argueing because there are so many fine points, alternate points of view, and passion for the quest for truth that is truly SO multidemensional, that when someone, and SOMEONE i don't know who yet IS MOST definitley is among us for the purpose of stirring up conflict Its not hard to do.

[vienna]

For you Vienna, its a , what...? a fad? For me its a reality.
I know the way they interface with humans. How they control.

How about some points as to why you are tired? Contribute?

I've posted on dozens of forums and the same criticism always comes up when ever you approach the 911, NWO, Freemason, Jesuits etc conspiracy - they always jump in with the lizard jibes

which now seems to be universal shorthand to make people switch off from absorbing anything which contradicts their CFR media controlled outlook on the world

it's why I urge people to quote Alan Watt instead of Icke, as whether Icke is aware of it or not, the whole lizard goose chase has undermined the whole NWO exposure movement

whether you feel lizards are real or not - nothing will come of you talking about it - it will only undermine your efforts and you have no hope of getting through to them.

Let's discuss the stuff which can be proven and exposed now before getting ahead of ourselves with stories about reptiles and bases on Mars. People scared of seeing the truth are desperate for a convenient excuse to avoid it. Don't give it to them

Alan Watt quotes books published by the elite which show their agenda and facts which cannot be disputed

now as for you saying you know how they interface with humans - how?

just how exactly do you know this to the extent that you are willing to believe it?

[thirdwave]

You can try to put words in my mouth if you feel you need to. It is interesting that you do feel the need to.



No, you don't. You often criticise people for doing what you do yourself, often in the very same post as this criticism.



A few porkies? In that case, you won't have a problem naming a few, or even one.

Let me guess, something I have said, out of context, or distorted to the point of not being what I said, as you have done in this post, and a few others too.



Where did I say that? I have said that there are double standards here, because there are. Several other people have witnessed this, and have been punished for pointing it out.

How many points was he given, how many times, and how often has been unable to post? (Out of interest.)



LOL
I have been punished several times for doing that.
You have no shame at all.

I cant be bothered to put energy into arguing with you ..... you clearly come here to promote Alan Watts works... that's is your main focus here and you do not really show much appreciation for what Icke does.... I am pointing out that I think you would do better promoting it at a place where people do not already know about it... rather than try to force others to enjoy the flavour you like.

as for your views on how this place in moderated I am not really interested with what you have to say other than PMs I get regarding certain situations posters are not happy with.... other than that...all this soap box fragile ego stuff really does not penetrate with me.... if you feel like your freedom has been taken away then switch off your PC go for a walk and get some fresh air.

[thirdwave]

I've posted on dozens of forums and the same criticism always comes up when ever you approach the 911, NWO, Freemason, Jesuits etc conspiracy - they always jump in with the lizard jibes

which now seems to be universal shorthand to make people switch off from absorbing anything which contradicts their CFR media controlled outlook on the world

it's why I urge people to quote Alan Watt instead of Icke, as whether Icke is aware of it or not, the whole lizard goose chase has undermined the whole NWO exposure movement

whether you feel lizards are real or not - nothing will come of you talking about it - it will only undermine your efforts and you have no hope of getting through to them.

Let's discuss the stuff which can be proven and exposed now before getting ahead of ourselves with stories about reptiles and bases on Mars. People scared of seeing the truth are desperate for a convenient excuse to avoid it. Don't give it to them

Alan Watt quotes books published by the elite which show their agenda and facts which cannot be disputed

now as for you saying you know how they interface with humans - how?

just how exactly do you know this to the extent that you are willing to believe it?

Ok this is not a comment promoting or putting down any researcher... just putting things into perspective...

while I agree with certain things about David Icke and his reptilian stuff being to far out, for some this is no doubt the case....... who is to say how irrelevant the reptilian thing is or is not???? If they are real and controlling and we cant see them, is that not some pretty heavy shit that may need addressing?? , how can we fight people we cant see??.. Im just saying to brush something off could be a big mistake.

looking at how much of a hold the NWO has already, could it be to late for people to prevent the change??? been asleep for to long?...I think a large amount of people would actually except the NWO and think "well it wont be so bad if we are good boys and girls" ..because of the lack of spiritual understanding they don't even know they are not free, people like Watt just sound grumpy and depressing.... you could say that A Watts work leads people to this trail of thought?... helplessness?..... nothing we can do other than get a bit stroppy and complain now and again then jump in line when the whip is cracked....

who is to say that understanding more about other life and other existence is not a welcoming ingredient to people making a difference to the manipulation going on?..... showing people the control the people DO have??? .. ..."If shape shifting and UFOs are real.... hang about... what else is real in this place!!, where the fuck are we!!?"

This is why I don't think its right trying to discredit others work all the time.... NO POINT ....people need to get their heads down and play their own part.... if opinions collide then so be it.... but just keep walking your own path.... David Icke IS WAKING PEOPLE UP, not everyone no.

for some I think they make a fare statement that there is no need to push the reptilian stuff... just get the nit and gritty out their.... they are open minded to all the UFO stuff and reps but will think what's the best to wake people up to the NWO and get on with it... full credit to those people... DonDaz sent a great link to a youtube guy called "the AntiTerrorist" ... and I fully respect his comments and his point of view and wish him all the support he can get.

But the thing is with some though... is they discredit the other info.... which is wrong..... UFOs could be and probably are a HUGE relevance to what is going on.... they are all over the place and have clearly been involved and are now cleary hitting the mainstream with many government officials and military coming out..!

could I say that A Watt is a bad teacher for not waking people up to the fact there is more than what's in our little box that the NWO is being created in??? ..what if that has relevance to what is going on and WHY people are not waking up to start with? .... I am not saying Watt should stop what he is doing though, I'm saying there are plus sides and negatives to everything we do.... who are we to state who should take centre stage though.... that's how religious wars start.

What about the people who are very much in alignment with the reptilian thing and who is waking up to that scenario...?? ..why should they be pushed in the corner and told to be quite and stop being crazy?, when they could hold the most important information there is.

This is why I think its important to live and let live ..... people push their own info... have their own views... but who is to say who has a right to speak out and who has not???

this is not aimed at you...I just went off on one ...its too everyone...

[hagbard_celine]

Looks real:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHp31u8z1U8&feature=related

Ugh! Creepy!

[bigus_dickus]

so where's the shapeshitter dawg? i thought it was the girl, but she didn't grow wings or anything?

[vienna]

Ok this is not a comment promoting or putting down any researcher... just putting things into perspective...

while I agree with certain things about David Icke and his reptilian stuff being to far out, for some this is no doubt the case....... who is to say how irrelevant the reptilian thing is or is not???? If they are real and controlling and we cant see them, is that not some pretty heavy shit that may need addressing?? , how can we fight people we cant see??.. Im just saying to brush something off could be a big mistake.

looking at how much of a hold the NWO has already, could it be to late for people to prevent the change??? been asleep for to long?...I think a large amount of people would actually except the NWO and think "well it wont be so bad if we are good boys and girls" ..because of the lack of spiritual understanding they don't even know they are not free, people like Watt just sound grumpy and depressing.... you could say that A Watts work leads people to this trail of thought?... helplessness?..... nothing we can do other than get a bit stroppy and complain now and again then jump in line when the whip is cracked....

who is to say that understanding more about other life and other existence is not a welcoming ingredient to people making a difference to the manipulation going on?..... showing people the control the people DO have??? .. ..."If shape shifting and UFOs are real.... hang about... what else is real in this place!!, where the fuck are we!!?"

This is why I don't think its right trying to discredit others work all the time.... NO POINT ....people need to get their heads down and play their own part.... if opinions collide then so be it.... but just keep walking your own path.... David Icke IS WAKING PEOPLE UP, not everyone no.

for some I think they make a fare statement that there is no need to push the reptilian stuff... just get the nit and gritty out their.... they are open minded to all the UFO stuff and reps but will think what's the best to wake people up to the NWO and get on with it... full credit to those people... DonDaz sent a great link to a youtube guy called "the AntiTerrorist" ... and I fully respect his comments and his point of view and wish him all the support he can get.

But the thing is with some though... is they discredit the other info.... which is wrong..... UFOs could be and probably are a HUGE relevance to what is going on.... they are all over the place and have clearly been involved and are now cleary hitting the mainstream with many government officials and military coming out..!

could I say that A Watt is a bad teacher for not waking people up to the fact there is more than what's in our little box that the NWO is being created in??? ..what if that has relevance to what is going on and WHY people are not waking up to start with? .... I am not saying Watt should stop what he is doing though, I'm saying there are plus sides and negatives to everything we do.... who are we to state who should take centre stage though.... that's how religious wars start.

What about the people who are very much in alignment with the reptilian thing and who is waking up to that scenario...?? ..why should they be pushed in the corner and told to be quite and stop being crazy?, when they could hold the most important information there is.

This is why I think its important to live and let live ..... people push their own info... have their own views... but who is to say who has a right to speak out and who has not???

this is not aimed at you...I just went off on one ...its too everyone...


point taken - but I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to Icke

when you have someone in a sick bed you don't talk to them about winning the 100 metres gold - you talk to them about being able to get out of bed first - then maybe about taking a walk to the vending machine down the corridor


let's get people on track with the facts to put a hold on this NWO progression and then we can discuss theory about dimensional entities -

we need only go as far as the heads of intelligence agencies, controllers of the Monetary system, Vatican geo political organisation etc to cut off the beasts head - and do it in a way that's credible to the average Joe - flights of fantasy into the Nephlim is not necessary - and is in fact counter productive and damaging

the situation is critical and talking reptiles is turning people off in droves (people who only need the slightest excuse to avoid the harsh truth and creep back into their comfort zones), yet talking to these people about the CFR takeover of government will get them on the road

If your goal is to wake as many people up as possible in a short as time as possible, introducing the reptile agenda will not get you very far (whether its true or not) - we have to apply strategy and intelligent to getting the results

I'm not saying reptile tgheory is impossible but in my opinion I have seen nothing which convinces me (I've watched the Credo Mutwa DVDs etc) and on balance Alan Watt explaination seems the most likely

(btw I make 'organite' and 'gift' towers but until I get measurable results I'm going to keep my mouth shut on the orgone subject - because otherwise it lacks credibility until someone or I get provable objective results - I suggest anyone who follows the reptile theory treats it the same)

[thirdwave]

point taken - but I'm not saying we shouldn't listen to Icke

when you have someone in a sick bed you don't talk to them about winning the 100 metres gold - you talk to them about being able to get out of bed first - then maybe about taking a walk to the vending machine down the corridor


let's get people on track with the facts to put a hold on this NWO progression and then we can discuss theory about dimensional entities -

we need only go as far as the heads of intelligence agencies, controllers of the Monetary system, Vatican geo political organisation etc to cut off the beasts head - and do it in a way that's credible to the average Joe - flights of fantasy into the Nephlim is not necessary - and is in fact counter productive and damaging

the situation is critical and talking reptiles is turning people off in droves (people who only need the slightest excuse to avoid the harsh truth and creep back into their comfort zones), yet talking to these people about the CFR takeover of government will get them on the road

If your goal is to wake as many people up as possible in a short as time as possible, introducing the reptile agenda will not get you very far (whether its true or not) - we have to apply strategy and intelligent to getting the results

I'm not saying reptile tgheory is impossible but in my opinion I have seen nothing which convinces me (I've watched the Credo Mutwa DVDs etc) and on balance Alan Watt explaination seems the most likely

(btw I make 'organite' and 'gift' towers but until I get measurable results I'm going to keep my mouth shut on the orgone subject - because otherwise it lacks credibility until someone or I get provable objective results - I suggest anyone who follows the reptile theory treats it the same)

Well not everyone has to believe it.... some don't..some are open... some take the mic out of it...

But we are all different... for me the reptilian thing actually woke me up more than when I just heard about the NWO stuff..... when I first heard about all that..my feelings where ..."shit! ..this is some scary shit" ...I then kind of became withdrawn and although it was in the back of my head i kind of felt...ahhh im sure there is some explanation to it all.... after all if it is true... then we are fucked!" ...

but because I was a very spiritually aware person when I got into the stuff about ETEs and Aliens it actually brought around more of an understanding to it all.... it work me up to think that were dormant in me.... and actually helped me to except what's going on and face it and not believe that it will take us over....

I know others like this... but of course if some cant get their heads around it...then for them it wont be of any benefit... but lets not forget that David Icke is a big big name... with many people who have been woken up by him.....

So I am happy to except you are right... people like A Jones... A Watt ..so on... are very healthy because they come from a grounded perspective of it and just inform of certain facts.... So I think both are playing a roll in pushing this huge awakening...

Like I say I have nothing personal against Alan Watt and what he talks of.... he has his views as well .... but lets put it like this

If we all went out into London with "NO NWO" T shirts on... and made up hundreds of Icke, Jones...Watt...Tsarion...Maxwell ..DVDs and leaflets urging people to get involved in them.... it would be like a menu for people with so much info... many may laugh at Icke and like Jones... others would like Maxwell and Watt and not like Tsarion.... so on.... they would all warm to who they felt was doing a good job.... people could find out that maxwell and icke don't get on, and ahh well.... Jones thinks icke should tone down with the reptile thing..while icke thinks Jones should wake up to the Christian thing.... all showing differences, but my problem with Watt is.... I would not really want him on the Leaflets or DVD!!..

Why?? .. not because I don't think he has some great info.... but because I think the moment he brought around accusations that Icke is a Mason and others who promote UFOs...so on.... at that moment he put a virus in the system.... because we would be handing out these leaflets of people who are pushing for the same cause....even though some have differences... but Watt put out that big no no..... because when ever anyone looked into it all they would then have a question on their mind... who is right???

Is Watt bad? ...is Icke Bad??? ... or are they both stupid? ..maybe they all are!! .... if Icke is a mason then how do we know Jones is not?... maybe Watt is??

and this is why I would not want him on it... the rest of the researchers would not have this virus....

which is why I think its important for Watt to dust this up.... and thus be able to harmonise with the other people who at the end of the day are all working for the same cause..

But I do see your point that many do need a grounded person to explain things in black and white.... its all a help... but there are all shapes and sizes.... and of course its not an easy task for everyone.

[vienna]

Well not everyone has to believe it.... some don't..some are open... some take the mic out of it...

But we are all different... for me the reptilian thing actually woke me up more than when I just heard about the NWO stuff..... when I first heard about all that..my feelings where ..."shit! ..this is some scary shit" ...I then kind of became withdrawn and although it was in the back of my head i kind of felt...ahhh im sure there is some explanation to it all.... after all if it is true... then we are fucked!" ...

but because I was a very spiritually aware person when I got into the stuff about ETEs and Aliens it actually brought around more of an understanding to it all.... it work me up to think that were dormant in me.... and actually helped me to except what's going on and face it and not believe that it will take us over....

I know others like this... but of course if some cant get their heads around it...then for them it wont be of any benefit... but lets not forget that David Icke is a big big name... with many people who have been woken up by him.....

So I am happy to except you are right... people like A Jones... A Watt ..so on... are very healthy because they come from a grounded perspective of it and just inform of certain facts.... So I think both are playing a roll in pushing this huge awakening...

Like I say I have nothing personal against Alan Watt and what he talks of.... he has his views as well .... but lets put it like this

If we all went out into London with "NO NWO" T shirts on... and made up hundreds of Icke, Jones...Watt...Tsarion...Maxwell ..DVDs and leaflets urging people to get involved in them.... it would be like a menu for people with so much info... many may laugh at Icke and like Jones... others would like Maxwell and Watt and not like Tsarion.... so on.... they would all warm to who they felt was doing a good job.... people could find out that maxwell and icke don't get on, and ahh well.... Jones thinks icke should tone down with the reptile thing..while icke thinks Jones should wake up to the Christian thing.... all showing differences, but my problem with Watt is.... I would not really want him on the Leaflets or DVD!!..

Why?? .. not because I don't think he has some great info.... but because I think the moment he brought around accusations that Icke is a Mason and others who promote UFOs...so on.... at that moment he put a virus in the system.... because we would be handing out these leaflets of people who are pushing for the same cause....even though some have differences... but Watt put out that big no no..... because when ever anyone looked into it all they would then have a question on their mind... who is right???

Is Watt bad? ...is Icke Bad??? ... or are they both stupid? ..maybe they all are!! .... if Icke is a mason then how do we know Jones is not?... maybe Watt is??

and this is why I would not want him on it... the rest of the researchers would not have this virus....

which is why I think its important for Watt to dust this up.... and thus be able to harmonise with the other people who at the end of the day are all working for the same cause..

But I do see your point that many do need a grounded person to explain things in black and white.... its all a help... but there are all shapes and sizes.... and of course its not an easy task for everyone.

true but in that case it a question of looking at the research rather than the personalities and egotism on display - and hands down the one who has more provable facts and convincing credible info to wake people up is Alan Watt , and Greg Symanski too I might add

but of course I owe a huge debt to Icke (his was the first site I went to on Sept 12 2001 to find out what was really going on), and I would like to think he has been misled rather than willfully trying to make people throw out the NWO order baby with the reptile bath water -

I've spoken to many people who were taking Icke seriously until he introduced the lizards

no matter how sincere he was ,he needed more research and evidence before he went public to convince us - and i wonder why he did so on the flimsiest of material and sources

we know for sure the elite plan these things centures in advance and cherry pick the smartest among us by means of membership to elite shooling, lodges and the mechansims they have in place in this system to attract the most intelligent and pychopathic to postions of control and power to further their agenda -

do you really think they couldn't predict the 'waking up' movement and ways to mislead them?

very rarley one of the brightest refuses their incentives to join them and stays among us to expose the truth - as Watt did when turning down an offer to join the establishment and the masons when they recognised his insight and perception

[thirdwave]

do you really think they couldn't predict the 'waking up' movement and ways to mislead them?




Im certain they could and is why for years we have been eating the way we have and been breathing in what we have been breathing in... watching the movies we have been watching... and been programmed the way we have....

they don't need to mis lead us any further, they have done a fantastic job at it and can be arrogant about it.... now its a case of a full dose of fear to keep people in that vibration... because that's how they get people to create what they want them to create.... they want us to feel helpless... they don't want us to think anything else is possible other then our jobs creating the income for us and them providing a life for us... nothing else is real.... money is all that we are here for... the god of this three dimensional world.

I think there is very little need for them to create people to lead truth seekers off track.... they have never been good at being genuine anyway... the only thing I think they may like to do is create fear within the field... we have never really had a person who has come in and brought in a totally different concept to it all... no effort at all... its clear they are ready to let the truth out because they are confident we will apply, because we don't know any better..

Their smoking gun is fear... if you smell fear, have a look where its coming from and have a good look at it....and ask why you are afraid... what has something done to you to make you feel afraid?... what has it not told you?.. what has it left out?

the reason people are walking into a NWO is their values have lead them their.... and their values are going to have to change in order for them to see that there is no value in a NWO.... lets not think people don't know about the NWO... deep down they know about it allright... even if they don't know the ins and out... they can feel it allright bring it up to people and look at their eyes and tell me they don't know what you are talking about...

in order for them to open their eyes they need to learn more about what this place actually is and what real life actually is...

and although this sounds like it will never happen... it is happening.

[woghd]

I've seen too many videos and heard too many eyewitness accounts, and seen reptilians depicted in history too many times. One would have to be a damn fool to think they are *NOT* real.

You can bash the videos all you like, but I will trust them until somebody comes along and scientifically discredits a few of them. I'm not talking about verbally saying it could be lighting, bad quality, photoshopping, this or that, blah blah blah, I want to see it DONE. I want solid evidence that the vids are not real. No talk. EVIDENCE.

Does anyone have anything like that?

Archangel

[vienna]

I've seen too many videos and heard too many eyewitness accounts, and seen reptilians depicted in history too many times. One would have to be a damn fool to think they are *NOT* real.

You can bash the videos all you like, but I will trust them until somebody comes along and scientifically discredits a few of them. I'm not talking about verbally saying it could be lighting, bad quality, photoshopping, this or that, blah blah blah, I want to see it DONE. I want solid evidence that the vids are not real. No talk. EVIDENCE.

Does anyone have anything like that?

Archangel

LOL!...I could use that same argument to prove the existance of Santa Claus

(if you knew ancient astro-theology you'd know why the serpent is depicted so much throughout history)

are you any relation to this 'Archangel', the alleged CIA disinformant?;

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_thread/thread/93e3fedd05f4beda/ee0364ab91049f41?lnk=st&q=garstecki+arrested&rnum=17#

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=Archangel+cia&qt_s=Search+Groups

[breakitdown]

LOL!...I could use that same argument to prove the existance of Santa Claus

(if you knew ancient astro-theology you'd know why the serpent is depicted so much throughout history)

are you any relation to this 'Archangel', the alleged CIA disinformant?;

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.2600/browse_thread/thread/93e3fedd05f4beda/ee0364ab91049f41?lnk=st&q=garstecki+arrested&rnum=17#

http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=Archangel+cia&qt_s=Search+Groups



LOL i wondered that too....

WOGHD hase been around sometime it seems

[graflok]

LOL!...I could use that same argument to prove the existance of Santa Claus


As a matter of fact, you can. The persona known as Santa Claus (aka St.
Nicholas) harks back to the 4th century Christian bishop Nicholas of Myra in
Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia (Turkey). He was famous for
giving gifts to the needy.

http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/33845/2003027160782741678_rs.jpg


(if you knew ancient astro-theology you'd know why the serpent is depicted so much throughout history)

Perhaps you can share your superior knowledge of this arcane subject and
explain this to us?

[abrilliantone]

I've seen too many videos and heard too many eyewitness accounts, and seen reptilians depicted in history too many times. One would have to be a damn fool to think they are *NOT* real.

You can bash the videos all you like, but I will trust them until somebody comes along and scientifically discredits a few of them. I'm not talking about verbally saying it could be lighting, bad quality, photoshopping, this or that, blah blah blah, I want to see it DONE. I want solid evidence that the vids are not real. No talk. EVIDENCE.

Does anyone have anything like that?

Archangel

I'm with you on that one Archangel. ;)

[woghd]

LOL i wondered that too....

WOGHD hase been around sometime it seems

No matter how many times that stupid website is debunked, it keeps popping up because people don't check their facts. Frankly I'm amazed at how many people will jump in with both feet and blindly believe that somebody is a congressman/murderer/pedophile/kidnapper/fugitive without a shred of proof, but won't believe in a UFO or Reptilian even if they are watching video.

Amazing

Archangel

[woghd]

I'm with you on that one Archangel. ;)

Did you notice how, instead of providing proof, they go straight into a personal attack and try to call me a CIA dis-info agent?

Archangel

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So I'll say it again:
I've seen too many videos and heard too many eyewitness accounts, and seen reptilians depicted in history too many times. One would have to be a damn fool to think they are *NOT* real.

You can bash the videos all you like, but I will trust them until somebody comes along and scientifically discredits a few of them. I'm not talking about verbally saying it could be lighting, bad quality, photoshopping, this or that, blah blah blah, I want to see it DONE. I want solid evidence that the vids are not real. No talk. No personal attacks. EVIDENCE.

Does anyone have anything like that?

Archangel

[abrilliantone]

The subject on shape shifting reptiles is a hard one to swallow for most. More so because it goes against everything they've been condition to believe. Funny thing is that all that we've been condition to believe comes from the very shape shifting reptiles that we've been condition to believe cannot exist. :eek: We're going through changes which are now allowing us to see things that we were unable to see at first. A change that everyone is now experiencing rather they are aware of this or not.

[becky]

How many here have seen a shape shifter or know someone who has? I would trust video evidence as much as I would a crystal ball. I also read where Icke is claiming that Laurence Gardner is a shape shifter due to the words of some Arizona Wilder who has a story that few would buy and from what I read of her, she is a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.

[woghd]

How many here have seen a shape shifter or know someone who has? I would trust video evidence as much as I would a crystal ball. I also read where Icke is claiming that Laurence Gardner is a shape shifter due to the words of some Arizona Wilder who has a story that few would buy and from what I read of her, she is a few sandwiches shy of a picnic.

If you are presented with video that has not been scientifically disproven, why not trust it? Also, there are a lot more people who have eyewitnessed shapeshifters than just one, they can't all be crazy. Finally there is an unbroken written history of these things going all the way back to the beginning of civilization. How much proof do you need?

Are you waiting to see one with your own eyes? Is that the only evidence you will accept? First hand evidence? Because I'll bet you believe all sorts of wild fantastic things based only on the fact that the media and school system told you to believe them.

Do you believe in microbes? Virii? Bacteria? The Ozone Layer? Global Warming? Moon Landing? Mars Landing? The sinking of the Titanic? The Roman Empire?

There is as much evidence (or more) of reptilians and UFOs, as there is of any of these subjects. People don't believe in Reptilians because they have been programmed not to.

Archangel

[breakitdown]

No matter how many times that stupid website is debunked, it keeps popping up because people don't check their facts. Frankly I'm amazed at how many people will jump in with both feet and blindly believe that somebody is a congressman/murderer/pedophile/kidnapper/fugitive without a shred of proof, but won't believe in a UFO or Reptilian even if they are watching video.

Amazing

Archangel

perhaps you can point out where i said that?


i didnt think so.......

[woghd]

perhaps you can point out where i said that?


i didnt think so.......

You didn't, at least not specifically. But in message #44 on this thread you quoted the links and supported them. I sent you a private PM on this. Perhaps you could respond via PM and keep this thread out of the rant-room?
thanx

Archangel

[becky]

If you are presented with video that has not been scientifically disproven, why not trust it? Also, there are a lot more people who have eyewitnessed shapeshifters than just one, they can't all be crazy. Finally there is an unbroken written history of these things going all the way back to the beginning of civilization. How much proof do you need?

Are you waiting to see one with your own eyes? Is that the only evidence you will accept? First hand evidence? Because I'll bet you believe all sorts of wild fantastic things based only on the fact that the media and school system told you to believe them.

Do you believe in microbes? Virii? Bacteria? The Ozone Layer? Global Warming? Moon Landing? Mars Landing? The sinking of the Titanic? The Roman Empire?

There is as much evidence (or more) of reptilians and UFOs, as there is of any of these subjects. People don't believe in Reptilians because they have been programmed not to.

Archangel

Well, I prefer living in the land of reality. If you choose to go chasing after comic book characters, knock yourself out! It is very serious business to accuse someone of such heinous acts as 'devouring' infants or child abuse as Icke has done with Laurence Gardner. Even Jordan Maxwell, who first introduced Icke to this country, has distanced himself. I don't know Maxwell or Gardner, but I do know they present themselves in a much more professional manner. I, at one time, was enjoying some of Icke's works until I got further along in them. He seems to have crossed over into La La land and fell over the edge.

[woghd]

Well, I prefer living in the land of reality. If you choose to go chasing after comic book characters, knock yourself out! It is very serious business to accuse someone of such heinous acts as 'devouring' infants or child abuse as Icke has done with Laurence Gardner. Even Jordan Maxwell, who first introduced Icke to this country, has distanced himself. I don't know Maxwell or Gardner, but I do know they present themselves in a much more professional manner. I, at one time, was enjoying some of Icke's works until I got further along in them. He seems to have crossed over into La La land and fell over the edge.

I'm only a few chapters into one of Icke's books, and I have already seen where people have misquoted him or taken what he has said out of context. He was most likely quoting someone who claimed they were abused, etc.

If you prefer to live in the land of reality, then I assume you will stand behind these videos until someone is able to disprove them, or at the very least, admit that multiple scientific attempts to debunk them have failed. I'm not sure what comicbook characters you think I'm chasing, but I assure you that my research has taken me nowhere that isn't backed up strongly by historical evidence, eyewitness accounts, and video.

Archangel

[becky]

I'm only a few chapters into one of Icke's books, and I have already seen where people have misquoted him or taken what he has said out of context. He was most likely quoting someone who claimed they were abused, etc.

If you prefer to live in the land of reality, then I assume you will stand behind these videos until someone is able to disprove them, or at the very least, admit that multiple scientific attempts to debunk them have failed. I'm not sure what comicbook characters you think I'm chasing, but I assure you that my research has taken me nowhere that isn't backed up strongly by historical evidence, eyewitness accounts, and video.

Archangel

Most likely the reason no one has 'debunked' the videos is for the simple reason no one wants to waste time or energy on something so silly! There must be thousands of videos claiming one ridiculous thing after another. If believing in reps does it for you, go for it. I don't believe. In my time on this planet and with all the people I know, there has never, ever been one claim to such an absurd claim to shapeshifting folks. Until that happens, I will live in peace that this is not real. Many people claim big foot is real, but I will have to wait on that one as well.....good luck.

[woghd]

Most likely the reason no one has 'debunked' the videos is for the simple reason no one wants to waste time or energy on something so silly! There must be thousands of videos claiming one ridiculous thing after another. If believing in reps does it for you, go for it. I don't believe. In my time on this planet and with all the people I know, there has never, ever been one claim to such an absurd claim to shapeshifting folks. Until that happens, I will live in peace that this is not real. Many people claim big foot is real, but I will have to wait on that one as well.....good luck.

Actually over ten attempts have been made to debunk the shapeshifting video, they simply failed to do so. But that put aside, I'm curious, are you as openminded about alien life as you are about reptilians and bigfoot? Are you one of these people that believes we are all alone in the universe?

Archangel

[becky]

Actually over ten attempts have been made to debunk the shapeshifting video, they simply failed to do so. But that put aside, I'm curious, are you as openminded about alien life as you are about reptilians and bigfoot? Are you one of these people that believes we are all alone in the universe?

Archangel


To be perfectly honest. I have no idea! None of us know the truth about more things than we care to admit. Look at all the varying opinions and the thousands of books that have been written on these subjects. A lot of men and women are making a lot of money.

How do you know for certain there are space aliens? You surely are taking the word of others unless you have encountered them yourself. I know I will die being ignorant about many things. Actually, if there are shape-shifters, I will be happy if I never meet one. I have no need of them. As for aliens, could be true or could be a hoax, even by our own government. Who the heck knows with 100% certainty? No one!

That is how millions have been deceived by religions from the get-go. They took the words of men and believed god had spoken to them. They never stopped to think that this same 'god' spoke to others with a different doctrine. Mankind is a pitiful, superstitious and for the most part ignorant mass. Most of them rely on someone else to tell them what is going on or what to believe. It may take me longer to be confident with what I believe, but you can bet your boots I don't take the word of anyone without much research.

[abrilliantone]

The ONLY thing that you can trust, the ONLY thing that will not let you down. Is your Intuition. When dealing with issues of this subject matter ( or any other ) Intuition will not let you down. Look deep into yourself, the answers are right there.