Stop paying your TV Licence fee NOW!

[theninja]

Bribery, Corruption and Fraud at the BBC - Stop paying your TV Licence fee NOW!

http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees

[logic bomb]

Who does?

At some point you have to dig your heels in and say no more. TV Tax is a joke. If I was forced to pay I would switch the TV off for good and throw it out.

lb

[dondaz]

Good link there Ninja. Got the bastards this time eh?

Bollocks to the licence fee mate. I paid 30 quid as a down payment years ago and consider myself ripped off.

Never again.

Thay are always at my door and sending us letters because our house isn't registered as having a tv licence. I tell them to fuck off and come back with a warrent. I really do. I have no time for people who earn their living lying by decieving and threatening people for money so it can be used to lie to us and keep us dumbed down.

Here's a little movie I made that explains my views a little more.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

This thread should be a sticky.

[dmt head]

I never have paid it, well i also paid a £30 fee and felt ripped off lol I told them my tvs broke I dont have one but they keep hassling me, they can piss off!! they went to my cousins door, he answered and just took the keys out the door walked out and locked it and didnt say a word to him, just walked away lol

[peachped]

It's an extortion racket. Tell them they can't come in and they go away.

[cf24]

I never pay it, well not for years anyway.... Total racket, they can go spin for the money....

[paul_anderson]

Well, it appears I'm in the minority of posters on this thread as I have always paid it. :mad:

Thanks for the link Ninja I've just posted off the first letter! :)

[john white]

What's a TV?

[bookini]

http://www.tvlicensing.biz/ (http://www.tvlicensing.biz/)


This is a good site with lots of info


Since getting my own place I have not paid for a TV licence partly because I hardly even watch the bloody thing but mostly I refuse to pay an extortionate amount just to fund more of the BBC's lies and propoganda not to mention their absolute bollocks programmes.

I've been really shocked with the amount of threatening letters I've got they are really quite scary and bullying - not nice stuff. Even if you tell them you haven't got a TV or don't use it for recieving transmissions they will still send you rude abusive letters about how they are going to take you to court etc. etc. its pathetic!


This is a good idea ninja for those who would normally be hesitant about not paying, especially if your tv is viewable from the window! ;)

*~**:)**~*

[kblood]

Here in Denmark they have made the public service TV channels online as well, so if you got a Internet connection, or even just a phone capable of watching TV you are to pay TV tax...

I have to say I do not see why I should pay for something I do not use, so I dont of course.

[cruise4]

Excellent !!! Stop paying everything esp. Council Tax. The prisons are full.

[woghd]

A TV tax?

That's a whole new level of oppression.
You guys gotta be kidding?

Archangel

[dondaz]

Excellent !!! Stop paying everything esp. Council Tax. The prisons are full.

There's always room for one more!:D

[theninja]

This isn't the best forum to get people moving on because most of you don't watch TV or pay anyway :D But this will be a great way to wake up the masses because most people do pay it.

So we need to spread this info to the sheeple!! and maybe, just maybe wake a few up.

[spiraltrance]

Thay are always at my door and sending us letters because our house isn't registered as having a tv licence. I tell them to fuck off and come back with a warrent. I really do. I have no time for people who earn their living lying by decieving and threatening people for money so it can be used to lie to us and keep us dumbed down.

I don't pay mine either. I use to get letters but they seem to have stopped. When you tell the inspecter to come back with a warrant what do they say? I thought they could give you a court summons on the spot?

[lookfar]

Oh bugger I missed this thread earlier. Ok, so I'm another one of the minority here currently paying for this shit that I don't even watch :o Just gonna go take a peak at that link now.... thanks for sharing theninja, I can feel a direct debit cancellation coming up, woohoo!!!:D

[niftygifter]

The criminality of the BBC is also backed up here in this link:
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php?q=1195431971

"Or the Phil Gramm/Orrin Hatch/Bush Senior/Mormon Church mule train set up so long ago to divert the BBC funds to themselves and also run through BoA California. Or the declaration that U.S. citizens are the ENEMY of the U.S. Gov't as they amended the 1917 Trading With The Enemy Act in the 30's, and literally dozens of other CRIMINAL ACTS which continue to this day."

Its all coming together now. We have been shafted for all of our lives, every single one of us:mad:
Check the Banking thread here:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13699&page=6

This IS the reason the dollar is plunging, its nothing to do with markets or cycles. Its the biggest theft on the planet, bar none.


Nifty:(

[friendsinthesky]

A TV tax?

That's a whole new level of oppression.
You guys gotta be kidding?

Archangel

Yes exactly. WHAT is TV Tax? And what do you get for it?

[brett]

Thanks for the link, Ninja!!

I JUST had a "renewal overdue" for my licence - I am now going to REFUSE to pay for it!!

Brett.

[theninja]

Yes exactly. WHAT is TV Tax? And what do you get for it?

It's a Tax from the BBC to watch their TV, radio etc. This is from the TV Licensing site http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, set-top boxes, video or DVD recorders, computers or mobile phones to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on TV.

[mariag]

A TV tax?

That's a whole new level of oppression.
You guys gotta be kidding?

Archangel
Oh yes , We have to pay tax for watching tv.

[mightiswrong]

LOL. No we don't. See the article at the beginning of this thread and stop paying the BBC NOW!!!!!!!!!

Great info. Thanks!

[cruise4]

"There's always room for one more!"

That place will soon be taken by me as I'm not paying anything, so you lot are safe. Pay NOTHING.

I'd rather fight while they can't do much, as oppose to later when they will use tazers, guns, syringes and camps.

[friendsinthesky]

It's a Tax from the BBC to watch their TV, radio etc. This is from the TV Licensing site http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk

WOW, thanks theninja, hmm, you guys sure got it tough in the UK. Seems to be a testing ground for much variety.

[smariot]

You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, set-top boxes, video or DVD recorders, computers or mobile phones to watch or record TV programmes as they are being shown on TV.
I wonder if that means that if you were to remove the commercials you'd be exempt.

[nickatnoon61]

Good link there Ninja. Got the bastards this time eh?

Bollocks to the licence fee mate. I paid 30 quid as a down payment years ago and consider myself ripped off.

Never again.

Thay are always at my door and sending us letters because our house isn't registered as having a tv licence. I tell them to fuck off and come back with a warrent. I really do. I have no time for people who earn their living lying by decieving and threatening people for money so it can be used to lie to us and keep us dumbed down.

Here's a little movie I made that explains my views a little more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfNRcU9GRMY

This thread should be a sticky.

Right on Dondaz!!!It is good to relate to someone with a pair of balls!!!!! They are bureaucratic,lackey,creeps who need to be told about REALITY!!!!That, or a swift kick in the arse. to wake them up and get their fluoridated-brains kick-started!!!!

[mariag]

LOL. No we don't. See the article at the beginning of this thread and stop paying the BBC NOW!!!!!!!!!

Great info. Thanks!

ok But I was refering to sweden sorry. In sweden we do have to pay lisence for watching television. :(

[mad as a cat]

I have a T.V., but I don't have a licence, haven't had one for nearly 4 years.

I don't watch T.V. because I don't receive a signal. Each year, they ask if I'm watching T.V. I say no, because I don't.

So, where do I stand, if I wanted to start watching T.V. again? Would I tell them I'm watching or just do it on the sneak? :confused:

[adzboarder]

Is this for real then?

Can you really get away without paying TV license AND Council Tax??

Anyone had any scary problems from not complying to this bullshit? I want to join you and start cancelling direct debits but i am hesitant...

[kblood]

As I wrote earlier, here in Denmark it has become a media tax instead of a tv tax. So they do not care wether you got a TV, an Internet connection above 512kb/s or a freaking mobile phone that is capable of recieving a TV signal... :mad:

Its so wrong, I use Internet but that certainly doesnt = me wanting to see what they want me to watch. So I do not pay this media tax, although I do have a 5mbit Internet connection. I do not have a television though. If I get one, then I might pay the TV tax.... if I feel like it :D

I payed for the tv-tax for two years, then found out I did not have to, since I did not own a TV, so I stopped. Then computers with TV tuners got taxed as well, but since I could not get a refund back then, I stopped paying altogether. Some day when I feel it doesnt matter to me, to pay about 350€ per year to watch 3 channels of "public service tv", then maybe I will. Will only happen if I ever get around to buying a TV though :)
I still have a TV-tuner, but it doesnt work anymore. Drivers not updated anymore. Cant say I miss it either though.

[danielg]

Noone gets awya with not paying council tax. They back it up with the full power of the state to give the message: don't fuck with us, we'll fuck you harder, no matter who, or how frail, you are.
Serves the sheeple right though, they fell for the poll tax PRS.

[danucrom]

Want a laugh?.. Watch these Irish TV Licence ads!;)

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt-hcIPgYt8

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=nUTF8DMVvmM

[theninja]

Is this for real then?

Can you really get away without paying TV license AND Council Tax??

Anyone had any scary problems from not complying to this bullshit? I want to join you and start cancelling direct debits but i am hesitant...

I have send my first letter off: http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees

and have had no reply? So will be sending second letter any day.

You can read about Mrs Elizabeth Beckett case against council tax here: http://www.tpuc.org/node/64

[cruise4]

"Noone gets awya with not paying council tax"

Yes and the reason is all the stupid bastards paying it. Its treason, you cowards!

[2013]

Good thread i no longer have a tv but they have brought in laws pertaining to internet tv broadcasts as well as moblie phones .Back in the day when they had sky tv first available the license fee was due to be waived because of this but the governemnt only allowed apparently the broadcast of signals if the sky package had the bbc programmes as part of the service to ensure the license fee couldnt be dodged .Afriend told me a long time ago that in some asain country the people all refused to pay for sky tv and eventualy when they where asked why not they repleied where does it come from to which the authorities replied satellite , where is the satellite ? in space hence skytv , yes they said but if it comes from the sky it comes from God and God does not charge , now it is supposedly free to air tvin that country , but i cant confirm the story .I do know that in australia groups of pensioners organised protests and nn payment of the fees and it was scrapped there , maybe some of our aussie members can confirm that for us .I will be sending this link to all the people i know with tv's thanks for that :D

[kblood]

Good thread i no longer have a tv but they have brought in laws pertaining to internet tv broadcasts as well as moblie phones .

Do you live in Denmark as well? We have had those a couple of years now or more. We had sky channel when I was a kid. Got me started on english, so I knew a bit before I started in school.

[fremmenwarrior]

THINGS YOU SHOULD KNOW ABOUT
THE UK TELEVISION LICENSE

(Thanks to MARI for posting a link to this information on another thread)

The information below is freely available on the internet; it does not incite people to break the law; and is taken from scans of BBC letters provided under the Freedom of Information Act 2000 and made publically available via the BBC's website.

Here in the UK, the way in which TV Licensing is dealt with is a complete misnomer. When you purchase a new television set from a retail outlet, the retailers are required to send details of the owners name and address to BBC TV Licensing Centre so their database can be updated. Thus making you believe that you need to buy a TV License just to own a television set. You don't! This is just the TVL / BBC intimidating and deceiving people into buying a television license.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT THE
BBC AND TELEVISION LICENSING

Q. Am I legally obliged to inform TV Licensing if I do not own a television set?

A. No. You are under no legal obligation whatsoever to notify TV Licensing that you do not have a television set.

Q. Is a TV licence required for the simple ownership/possession of a television set(s)?

A. No. This is a common misnomer. TVL / BBC would have people believe that you need to buy a TV License if you own a television set. A UK television License is ONLY required to install and use a television receiver for the purposes of RECEIVING (i.e. watching) and RECORDING television broadcasts/programs. A TV License in NOT required simply because a television set is owned or packed away in storage at the householders/legal occupiers address.

Q. Is a TV licence required for a television set that is used for playback ONLY (i.e. watching DVD's and videos)?

A. No. The use of television receiving equipment SOLELY to watch playback of DVD's or Video Cassettes does NOT need to be covered by a television license. A TV license is required if your television set is used to receive (watch) or record television broadcasts.

Q. Am I legally obliged to notify the BBC if I own a television set which is used ONLY for playback of DVD's and Video Cassettes?

A. No. You are under no legal obligation whatsoever to notify BBC / TVL if you use the television set(s) ONLY for playback of DVD's and Video Cassettes.

Q. As the owner/occupier of the household/premises, if I get threatening letters from BBC TV Licensing, am I legally obliged to reply?

A. No. Householders are under no legal obligation whatsoever to respond to written enquiries from BBC / TV Licensing

SUMMARY

The following conclusions can be drawn from the above information:

1. Letters from TVL/BBC demanding a response have NO legal backing. TVL/BBC can ask for a response, but they cannot compel or force you to respond. Their letters can be completely ignored as you would any other junk mail requesting personal information or demanding money. A householder's need for a TV licence arises ONLY if he or she undertakes an activity that is licensable (i.e. WATCHING or RECORDING television broadcasts); if not, there is NO need for the householder to communicate with the TV licensing authority.

2. The expression "TV licence" is a misnomer, since a TV does not require one (otherwise, licenses would be issued when the TV is purchased). The TV licensing requirement is ONLY for the receiving (watching or recording) of live television broadcasts. This includes satellite TV / Freeview boxes and overseas broadcasts, as well as all the UK domestic terrestial channels.

A TV licence is NOT required for the ownership of a television set (or sets), by the householder/occupier, or its use is solely for playback of DVD's and Video Cassettes, or used only for video games (Playstation, Wii, X-Box etc).

TIPS FOR AVOIDING TVL/BBC HARRASSMENT

There are two schools of thought:

(1). NO CONTACT - Simply ignore TVL/BBC. Their threatening letters are computer-generated and sent out by the hundred-thousand. The purpose of these so-called "official warnings" and empty threats of "imminent legal action" is psychological rather than actual. Once this is realised, the letters cease to have any effect or credibility and can be ignored. The same applies to street visits from so-called BBC / TVL 'enforcement officers'. If someone called at your front door and asked to see whether you had a washing-machine or a food-mixer, would you let them in to check? Of course not, so you are under no obligation, legal or otherwise, to permit TVL/BBC into your home to look for a TV, or a video or DVD player.

IMPORTANT: People who work for TVL/BBC have no more right to enter any private residences / private property, than sales people selling brushes and dusters!

Without entry to your premises, TVL/BBC have no sure means of knowing whether a household has television equipment set up to receive broadcasts. That is why they rely on mass mailshots, declaring messages such as,

"This is your final warning".

or

"Enforcement Officers have been notified"

or

"TV Detector vans are working in your area"

The TVL/BBC rely on householders' own reaction to these threatening letters, and on self-incrimination during street visits. Without YOUR co-operation, TVL/BBC is completely impotent.

What about search warrants? Before a search warrant can be issued, TVL/BBC must satisfy the courts that they have "reasonable grounds" for believing that television broadcasts are being received and/or recorded at the unlicenced address.

The simple absence of a licence does not constitute this, nor does the householder's refusal to communicate with TVL/BBC. To obtain a search warrant, TVL/BBC must offer the court positive evidence, such as seeing or hearing a television set receiving broadcasts, or the householder's own admission. Without such evidence, TVL/BBC cannot apply for a search warrant, and without a search warrant, they cannot enter your home. So, they are back to square one - using threatening letters to intimidate people into buying a TV License.

The 'no contact' method is therefore to completely ignore the threatening letters and to keep the door shut to TVL/BBC visitors. A drawback of this approach is that TVL/BBC will keep coming every so often, but the benefit is that it wastes their time and money: every £100 spent chasing "no contact" households is £100 less spent on the corrupt BBC itself. And that can only be a good thing.

(2). IMPLIED RIGHT OF ACCESS - For some households, threatening letters and visits are not an option. Fortunately, there is a way to stop TVL/BBC harrassment. Although houses and flats are private property, under UK law there exists an "implied right of access" to enable postal deliveries, newspaper rounds, etc. This means that your pathway, doorbell and letter box may be used by visitors without the express permission of the owner. Invitiation to use them is implied. As a result of this, TVL/BBC can come up your front path and ring your door bell or post letters through your letter box.

To prevent TVL/BBC staff approaching your property, you can write to them, stating that you have 'withdrawn their implied right of access' to your property. There is no need to indicate whether you have a television set, and you do not need to give your name, only your address and postcode.

You can withdraw access to your property in the name of the "legal occupier". This will keep TVL/BBC employees away, but it will not stop the delivery of threatening TVL/BBC letters, since it is the postman who uses your letter box. So, next is to inform TVL/BBC that you consider their written contact as 'threatening', 'harassment', and 'intimidation'. This combined approach - withdrawing the right of implied access and informing them that their actions are harassment - should prevent further contact. At least for a while.

These days, it is common sense NEVER to let any random callers / strangers into your home. Many people adopt the 'if you are not invited, we don't answer the door' approach to ALL anonymous callers, salesmen and strangers, etc., (unless of course it is power company staff come to read your meters, or the postman with letters or parcels too big for your letterbox).

Whether you choose the 'No Contact' route, or withdraw the implied right of access, always remember the following if a TVL/BBC employee calls at your home: If you know it is them, do not answer the door. If you do answer the door, and then find out who they are, just say you are not interested and close the door (do not engage in any further conversation). If they have already been let in, instruct them to leave your premises immediately (do not let them question you, or engage you in discussion or argument); they are legally obliged to do leave your premises - as indicated in TVL/BBC's booklet "About TV Licensing": which states, "If one of our Visiting Officers calls at your home they will ... stop the enquiry if asked to leave ... [they will] only enter a property when given permission" (page 4, About TV Licensing, December 2004). You can download this booklet from the TVL/BBC website and keep it to hand.

Finally, under no circumstances, do you admit or sign anything! Remember, TVL/BBC employees are NOT the Police; they are just a private company, and the BBC have NO special legal powers. Their threatening letters only make you think they do. They rely on you providing them with information which they will seek to use against you; and they will keep sending you threatening letters and use intimidation and harrassment to get you give in and buy a TV License.

The less TVL/BBC knows about you the better, so here are some more ideas to keep them off your back:

(1). Be mindful of what information you give to retailers. Retailers are required to pass names and addresses to TVL/BBC of all customers who buy a new television set, DVD or video player. TVL/BBC then use this information to update their mailing database.

(2). If you move house, do not inform TVL/BBC you are moving. There is no legal obligation to do so.

(3). IMPORTANT: If you only use your TV set(s) to playback DVD's, Videos, or to play Video games - make sure your TV is not visible through the windows, or audible from the letterbox. While there is nothing unlawful about having a television set(s) without a TV licence, if they do send staff out to investigate an unlicenced address, TVL/BBC will automatically assume that it is receiving broadcasts.

(4). TVL/BBC sometimes send letters by 'Recorded Delivery', requiring your signature. This enables the BBC / TVL to confirm your identity and update their database. They also hope that making you sign for an "official warning letter" will frighten and intimidate you into buying a TV License. So, check the envelope for the 'if undelivered return address' usually on the back of the envelope, first, BEFORE you sign for it; ask the postman to see where a recorded delivery has come. If it is from Bristol BS98 1TL, refuse it (keep a note of TVL's address by your front door for easy reference).

(5). TVL/BBC sometimes phone people up. If a caller asks for you by name, ask who is phoning before confirming your identity. If the reply is "TV Licensing" or similar, DO NOT engage in conversation, just replace the handset. If you give your identity over the telephone, it enables TVL/BBC to update their database and know that you are at that address.

(6). Beware dirty tricks to catch you out. For instance, a caller pretending to do a survey; "Have you got a music centre?", followed by, "Have you got a Television set?", or "What's your favourite TV programme?" Always confirm the identity of the caller. Better still, adopt the 'if you are not invited, we don't answer the door' approach - this will save you a lot a time and harrassment on your doorstep from unwanted callers to your home.
The following are good practice, regardless of your TV licensing requirements:

(7). Have your details removed from the publicly available version of the electoral roll. You can do this by ticking the relevant box on your voter registration form. See further details from the Electoral Commission.

(8). Have your telephone number removed from the telephone directory; details to be found in the BT phone book. If an anonymous caller rings your ex-directory number - pick up the receiver, listen, if you don't know the person calling, DO NOT tell them who you are if questioned; ask who is calling, when they reply "it's .......", say, 'this number is ex-directory please do not call again', then replace the receiver. If they call back immediately again, lift up the receiver and replace the handset without speaking. They will give up after a few attempts.

(9). Join the Mailing Preference Service, the Telephone Preference Service and the Fax Preference Service.

(10). Never give your name on your answer machine's recorded message.

(11). Do not give consent for your details to be given to third parties; for instance, when completing coupons for special offers, magazine and catalogue tear-off slips and promotional questionnaires and flyers. Always tick the non-disclosure box.

COMPLAINTS AGAINST TVL / BBC, AND HOW TO MAKE THEM

This information leaflet advocates minimal or zero contact with Television Licensing / BBC. However, if you wish to contact them for purposes of a complaint, below is where to write. This is a three-stage process; start with the first address, and move to the second and third if the responses are not satisfactory. Do not start with the second or third addresses, they will ignore you. According to its 2006 annual report, TVL/BBC received 19,000 written complaints, and 5,500 by telephone, so you will be in good company.

(1).
Head of Customer Relations
Customer Relations Department
TV Licensing
Bristol BS98 1TL

(2).
Customer Services Director
TV Licensing
Bristol BS98 1TL

(3).
Customer Relations Manager
BBC TV Licensing Management Team
PO Box 48309
London W12 6YA

[unicorn]

Thank you for this thread, I got a tv a couple of years ago and within 2 days got a letter stating that due to my recent purchase of a TV I was to pay the licence fee immediately. They sneekily changed the law in 2002 from only paying for the BBC channels to now having to pay even if you don't have a TV, just a DVD or video recorder :confused: BOLLOX!!!

Thanks for the tpuc link, AMAZING!! I've been really wanting to unite people to stop paying these ridiculous charges, am off to spread the word :rolleyes:

Come on people... UNITE!!! :)

[nickatnoon61]

Noone gets awya with not paying council tax. They back it up with the full power of the state to give the message: don't fuck with us, we'll fuck you harder, no matter who, or how frail, you are.
Serves the sheeple right though, they fell for the poll tax PRS. ONLY IF ONE IS A GUTLESS CONFORMIST,danielg!

[mari]

Try this for size, folks!

(I posted this on another thread, so apologies to any of you here who've already read it)
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/

As the page states, viewing the letters from the beginning gives a better insight to the whole farce.........

[unicorn]

Thanks Mari, great link!
;)

[kblood]

Thank you for this thread, I got a tv a couple of years ago and within 2 days got a letter stating that due to my recent purchase of a TV I was to pay the licence fee immediately. They sneekily changed the law in 2002 from only paying for the BBC channels to now having to pay even if you don't have a TV, just a DVD or video recorder :confused: BOLLOX!!!

Thanks for the tpuc link, AMAZING!! I've been really wanting to unite people to stop paying these ridiculous charges, am off to spread the word :rolleyes:

Come on people... UNITE!!! :)

So a Internet is not also something which is on the list of reasons to pay TV licence where you live?

Yea, the license on a DVD or VCR is because they have the TV tuner built into them mostly. If you got a DVD player or VCR without a TV tuner in it (which makes it possible to record something and watch some other channel at the same time), then it is not enough for you to need to pay a TV license.

So you could in fact just buy a LCD monitor which doesnt have a TV tuner built into it, and then have a VCR or DVD player that does not have a TV tuner in it either. Then you are not under any obligation to pay TV licence in your country if im not mistaken ;) Still, its more fun to ought to pay the licence according to them, and then still not pay it :D

Some day I will buy me a TV to do just that :) The media license here is so far out. They really outdid themselves with that, so I am to pay because I now have the option to watch their TV on the Internet, as if I would waste my bandwith on that. I might get lag on this forum then :p

[mari]

Thanks Mari, great link!
;)

I read through each letter with an increasing amount of hysterical laughter - that guy is SO on the ball! Cheered me up:D no end........

[cheeney1]

we don't have tv licences here in new zealand unless you've got sky tv
the only way you don't pay your tv licence is don't own a motor vechicle, they put it on motor vechicle rego

complete bastards

[strider]

Just get rid of your t.v. full stop.. It's an absolute pile of smelly shite..

[auron]

Nuff said.

:cool:

[homebrew1973]

Try this for size, folks!

(I posted this on another thread, so apologies to any of you here who've already read it)
http://www.bbctvlicence.com/

As the page states, viewing the letters from the beginning gives a better insight to the whole farce.........

Very good link :) I received my first one of the year only the other day, it`s been filed of course ;)

I find it amazing though that people have been known to be sent to prison for not paying the fine (at enormous expense) and when they`re in prison they don`t get the letters they got when at home :confused: They`ll be sending letters to dead people and children next, like they did with the poll tax...

Here`s some advice to you all if you get a TV: try, if possible, to get a good second-hand one, ALWAYS pay by cash, NEVER by credit/debit card and if you get a new one and they insist you fill in the form just put false details on it :)

[h2pogo]

never paid it never will, i am happy there are other like minded people out there,respect

[masonfree party]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO THIS RADIO PROGRAMME...THE CONTENT IS HIGHLY EXPLOSIVE AND MAY CHANGE YOUR PERCEPTION OF THE WORLD AND ITS RULERS.

THERE IS A SHORT MUSICAL INTRODUCTION FIRST...

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011408.html

2ND programme

http://www.weourselves.org/wpfw/011808.html

[kweli]

Thanks to the OP and everyone else for the useful info contributed to this thread.

Has anyone received any correspondence back from the BBC after sending off the form? Sent mine off last week. :D

[mikeproteau]

im confused, here in Canada your contract is directly with the satilite/cable provider and there is no government tax which is good because it allows for competition for the consumer to decide the best deal, so you have to pay a tax even if you have satilite?

[angelicangel]

im confused, here in Canada your contract is directly with the satilite/cable provider and there is no government tax which is good because it allows for competition for the consumer to decide the best deal, so you have to pay a tax even if you have satilite?
Yes, so it works out very expensive to all consumers. Even if you use your television set as a DVD player, just to us for DVD's you are liable to pay for a TV licence. And suppossedly you are suppose to have a TV licence for every TV in your home. So if you have 5 TV's you have to pay 5 lots of money. Which is a rip off. When you get to 75yrs old, I think you don't have to pay for a licence, knowing alot of elderly people that is the only thing that keeps them happy in these dark winter nights.:confused:

[godspeed]

i think it is sad that these bully boys go around the poor area's trying to catch a tv on so they can demand money off the ones who just not able or dont want to pay for a self serving bunch of boring bastards......bbc is dead.
they killed themselves when they spoke too soon over building 7 and who can forget that mistake lol to thier own shame i say.

[angelicangel]

i think it is sad that these bully boys go around the poor area's trying to catch a tv on so they can demand money off the ones who just not able or dont want to pay for a self serving bunch of boring bastards......bbc is dead.
they killed themselves when they spoke too soon over building 7 and who can forget that mistake lol to thier own shame i say.Even if you don't watch BBC you still have to pay. Surely there is enough money going into the TV stations to let us at least have a reduction in our veiwing prices. Then if you watch Sky you still have to pay, it's becoming a serious buisness, if you don't do this or you don't do that they will get you one way or another.:mad:

[armoured_amazon]

Oh bugger I missed this thread earlier. Ok, so I'm another one of the minority here currently paying for this shit that I don't even watch :o Just gonna go take a peak at that link now.... thanks for sharing theninja, I can feel a direct debit cancellation coming up, woohoo!!!:D

+1

[nickatnoon61]

Just get rid of your t.v. full stop.. It's an absolute pile of smelly shite.. Yes Striker! It has been proven without a doubt that TV is overwhelmingly the most-watched appliance in the home!!! :eek:!Yikes!!!!! :eek:

[armoured_amazon]

I have to say, I really should. I only watch about 2hrs a week, if that. It is rubbish (except I like the Discovery Channel hehe)

[the_mole]

Bribery, Corruption and Fraud at the BBC - Stop paying your TV Licence fee NOW!

http://www.tpuc.org/stoppayingtvlicencefees

The year is 2012ish
The analogue signal has been replaced by a digital one.
You have an analogue TV, no digital box, just a dvd.
Would you need a licence as the tuner no longer works?

I bet they have it in law you need a licence if you have a TV with any type of tuner?

[the_mole]

I have to say, I really should. I only watch about 2hrs a week, if that. It is rubbish (except I like the Discovery Channel hehe)

I watch more DVDs than anything, usually scifi and comedy.
I watch a lot of the early Who.
Most is soap and reality voting nonsense and cartoons to dumb you down.

[kblood]

When I get a TV I will probably pay my licence, but I am obligated to pay my license if I have a 512kb/128kb Internet connection, and today you would likely need a modem to go lower than that, because otherwise the ISP would loose money on ever setting up the connection.

Just because the public service TV here is put on the Internet does not = everyone with Internet watches TV. They know more and more people use computers today instead of TVs, since digital content is much more user friendly. Only the most advanced and expensive TV packages lets you choose what to watch, while I computer you can just rent a movie and watch it right away by streaming it directly. Or you can snatch it all piratey like :p I usually dont buy a movie before I have watched it at least once. Sometimes I watch it in a cinema first, if it looks good.

So my amount of TV per month sums up to maybe 2-3 hours, and then its usually because my parents recorded something from TV on the DVD recorder I bought them. I really glue to the TV whenever its on, and I just know I am wasting my time, which is why I dont have a TV. Its soo distracting, and very hard to do anything usefull with a TV running in the background.

I do like watching a good movie now and then, and some news are good to know. Some shows on the discovery channel are very good, and if I had the sci fi channel, then I that would be one I would like to watch I guess. But the junk they show on the public service channel? They seriously make their own entertainment shows, and expect us to pay for it. How is that public service? If they make a good show, then sell it and get the money that why. But noo... they would rather rob people who doesnt care at all for the hogwash they make. If they make a bad show, they are to feel it economically like everyone else. They even claim to have lost 250 million DKR last year in money that should have been payed to them, and at the same time they made cutbacks for 300 million DKR I think. So we ought to pay them even less as I see it, so they can learn to not throw our money down the drain.

Its still even full "media license" when you can only watch the shows they make themself on the net. If people didnt have to spend money on the TV license, they could probably get 30-300 channels for the same price.

So... I think I will go with my original plan. Get a projector, surround sound, a DVD player and a digital wireless box to connect everything with my computers :cool: Then I wont have any TV tuners, and they could take me to court for all I care, I would be glad to tell them how dissapointed I am with the obligatory public service.

[armoured_amazon]

So... I think I will go with my original plan. Get a projector, surround sound, a DVD player and a digital wireless box to connect everything with my computers :cool: Then I wont have any TV tuners, and they could take me to court for all I care, I would be glad to tell them how dissapointed I am with the obligatory public service.

:D

[loderlive]

The argument needs to start with dont watch television.

[armoured_amazon]

The argument needs to start with dont watch television.

I find television can be informative.

[dangermouse]

In ireland they said that because RTE is available online those with a computer need to pay the tv license too .. rofl

I have never paid for a tv license :P

[dave1973]

I dont have a TV, I havent watched it in over 2 years. DVD's I would watch on my PC.

[gordysmit]

Be same But when you have kids they all ways want tv on thats why they have it on in there bed room only the tv in liveing room works for the WII and D.V.D.S and my laptop gets pluged in to it too

[johntrevy]

Next they will be telling us to pay, to watch our goldfish swim around in his/her tank. At least fish are comforting, unlike the B$ the Tv puts out most of the time.

[grannymoose]

dam i feel a mug now, i,m paying it via quaterly payments : / didn't untill last year the sods took me to court got a fine £850.

[grannymoose]

I find television can be informative.

informative of only what they want you to watch and see.

[gordysmit]

dam i feel a mug now, i,m paying it via quaterly payments : / didn't untill last year the sods took me to court got a fine £850.

What happen when they took you to court and fine you 850 did you try to fight it?

[gordysmit]

Then thing is if every one stoping it would they fine every one? :rolleyes:

[logic bomb]

They don't even fine those who don't now!

No fear!

[mightiswrong]

Funding the BBC is like funding the Mafia. Well. It is a lot worse.

[peachped]

It is worse. They can swivel.

[homebrew1973]

Do people in prison get those shite letters from the TVL?