What's The Purpose Of These Conspiracy Sites/Info?

[foreverspirit]

Love to hear the different opinion as to why TPTB are letting us know all this? :cool:

[dondaz]

Love to hear the different opinion as to why TPTB are letting us know all this?

The powers that be are not letting you know what I am posting here. I am letting you know. They are not in a position to shut the internet down yet. They are trying, real hard.

If they could control it they would have by now.

If they just shut down sites at random or the entire net it would create a mass protest, to be sure. Timing is crucial for these people.

They are working on it for sure.

[misscpb]

Love to hear the different opinion as to why TPTB are letting us know all this? :cool:


Hi

I think it would give the nwo etc or Whoever excellent information as to who is awake and aware of what is going on in the world, and therefore those who would cause trouble or be a threat in some way, so they could be taken first.

The other I think also is possibly to use the sites as a way to promote more fear in this world and hence people constantly thinking about it and it therefore manifesting in some way.

Then there is the other one which is my favourite, a wonderful way for information to get out there for others to truly think and feel what feels right for them and what does not.

Take Care

[mahabaratara]

Arrogance...

[28th kingdom]

Because we're all being duped.

[mahabaratara]

So you speak for everyone...?

[foreverspirit]

The powers that be are not letting you know what I am posting here. I am letting you know. They are not in a position to shut the internet down yet. They are trying, real hard.

If they could control it they would have by now.

If they just shut down sites at random or the entire net it would create a mass protest, to be sure. Timing is crucial for these people.

They are working on it for sure.


Dondaz:

Can we really kid ourselves into believing that with all the other things they have been many many many years ahead of with, they weren't with this Internet? Indeed it's not so much about what you and I are posting, but what they have posted about themselves! On the other hand we also figured out what was going on, due to the internet, when most of us were sensing something is just not right and what the frick is going on?

With all the stuff we know now, there's no mass protest. With the way people feel about so called "Conspiracy Theorists" I doubt closing down these sites would have an affect. They may very well be working on it for sure, due to the fact that they have filled our (questioners of society) subconscious/minds with their stuff. They are killing of biologists and others, yet afraid to shut these sites down. It's puzzling. What the heck is the purpose of these sites? Maybe I've answered it already?:cool:

[iro_]

they invented the internet - they knew what they were creating.

its supposed to be this way - like at the end of the matrix when they agree that those who want to be free will be allowed to be so. If the hand is too heavy then the unfreedom seems as artificial as it really is.

[foreverspirit]

Hi

I think it would give the nwo etc or Whoever excellent information as to who is awake and aware of what is going on in the world, and therefore those who would cause trouble or be a threat in some way, so they could be taken first.

The other I think also is possibly to use the sites as a way to promote more fear in this world and hence people constantly thinking about it and it therefore manifesting in some way.

Then there is the other one which is my favourite, a wonderful way for information to get out there for others to truly think and feel what feels right for them and what does not.

Take Care

Lots of great ideas here. Especially the manifesting one. The monitoring one, well, eh, I don't think they give a hoot, we're probably really minor to them until we work on ourselves. Then when we do, I'd like to believe they are totally no match for us. You take excellent care of yourself too.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Arrogance...


Yeah, that's a good one too!:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Because we're all being duped.


Duped into? Come explain.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

they invented the internet - they knew what they were creating.

its supposed to be this way - like at the end of the matrix when they agree that those who want to be free will be allowed to be so. If the hand is too heavy then the unfreedom seems as artificial as it really is.


Interesting, however, we can surely see that most of humanity craves freedom. If they didn't, would so many be playing the lotto? Immersing themselves in religion, just to get to the other side (made to be believed as freedom)?:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Another thing, the other day, I check a link posted of some of David's interviews. I hope I heard correctly, but when asked about the reason for global warming, David started talking about the Sun and it's changes being the reason.

I thought with the kind of exposure he is getting now a days he would have been quck to interject with the word "Chemtrails".

I will admit, I did stop the viewing at that point as I was somewhat disillusioned. Maybe he did go on to say the word "Chemtrails. I'll try to track down the tread and veiw it again. Still any thoughts would be appreciated.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Also why bother with 9/11 when most people, inlucding myself at the time were asleep. They could have gotten away with their fake alien invasion then, in order to implement their Global governance. Technology not ready? Aren't they giving people more time and information in order to wake up? Hmmm:cool:

[jimijams]

Another thing, the other day, I check a link posted of some of David's interviews. I hope I heard correctly, but when asked about the reason for global warming, David started talking about the Sun and it's changes being the reason.

I thought with the kind of exposure he is getting now a days he would have been quck to interject with the word "Chemtrails".

I will admit, I did stop the viewing at that point as I was somewhat disillusioned. Maybe he did go on to say the word "Chemtrails. I'll try to track down the tread and veiw it again. Still any thoughts would be appreciated.:cool:
Interesting, I was thinking about this the other day and I can't remember hearing David talk about chemtrails, I'm sure he must because ATM chemtrails are one of our biggest problems causing horrible drought here in Australia, not to mention the health problems that come along with it.

[cruise4]

Hmmm... well these sites do not answer the real questions for me so far. They do give you 'real' news but ultimately I'm frustrated by lack of forthright knowledge. But I don't buy this 'find out for yourself or it won't happen' sort of thing. Overall, and I'm not pinning this onto any particular forum, I think BOTH sides are hiding knowledge.

I think we are being played at this point.

[john white]

Hmmm... well these sites do not answer the real questions for me so far. They do give you 'real' news but ultimately I'm frustrated by lack of forthright knowledge. But I don't buy this 'find out for yourself or it won't happen' sort of thing. Overall, and I'm not pinning this onto any particular forum, I think BOTH sides are hiding knowledge.

I think we are being played at this point.

In case we forget, these sites are constructed of the information placed here by the members... and I'm going to go out on a limb, becuase I reckon there's a lot a lot of members DON'T write down in internet posts

The "real" stuff cannot be told: it can only be found. Even if it was written down, a mind that wasnt ready for it would just slide off it

I know: I tried for a while to communicate the "best" info I know... threads sank without a trace... posts were never replied to... it's how it is (with the human mind). Perception filters are VERY powerful, and can only be transcended when one can observe ones mind in totalitiy objectively. Otherwise, truly, our own self imposed limitations are invisible to us

But there is a way to turn it around Crusie4, which is for us all to ask ourselves "Am I sharing all I can share?"... and if we find more to share, then the level of info will go up

[john white]

Another thing, the other day, I check a link posted of some of David's interviews. I hope I heard correctly, but when asked about the reason for global warming, David started talking about the Sun and it's changes being the reason.

I thought with the kind of exposure he is getting now a days he would have been quck to interject with the word "Chemtrails".

I will admit, I did stop the viewing at that point as I was somewhat disillusioned. Maybe he did go on to say the word "Chemtrails. I'll try to track down the tread and veiw it again. Still any thoughts would be appreciated.:cool:

This isnt a criticism, but its not Icke's "job" to talk about something just becuase his "fans" want it talked about. Chemtrails is a very difficult area becuase it is a true secrecy void berift of real info. other than "something is going on": and thats it!

There are other targets that can be hit far more profitably in terms of puncturing consensus trance. But if chemtrails is where its at for you, get talking about them and keep talking about them. Its the only way!

[foreverspirit]

This isnt a criticism, but its not Icke's "job" to talk about something just becuase his "fans" want it talked about. Chemtrails is a very difficult area becuase it is a true secrecy void berift of real info. other than "something is going on": and thats it!

There are other targets that can be hit far more profitably in terms of puncturing consensus trance. But if chemtrails is where its at for you, get talking about them and keep talking about them. Its the only way!


I truly understand and get where you're coming from. However, do you really think spending time talking about reps. (no dis) as opposed to something as tangible as the visibly seen chemtrails is not something worthy of being spoken about?

Again I get where you're coming from. Yet, I sure wish I had a platform such as David's to address the chemtrail issue. Ang yes reps aside he has spoken out and made people aware of so so so much including the fact that so much creepela is flowing from London. Maybe in the grand scheme of things the Rep issue may be of significant importance. Maybe I'll see it one day.:cool:

[jimijams]

This isnt a criticism, but its not Icke's "job" to talk about something just becuase his "fans" want it talked about. Chemtrails is a very difficult area becuase it is a true secrecy void berift of real info. other than "something is going on": and thats it!

There are other targets that can be hit far more profitably in terms of puncturing consensus trance. But if chemtrails is where its at for you, get talking about them and keep talking about them. Its the only way!
To me chemtrails are one of the most visible aspects of the manipulation and should be discussed, everyday I walk out my door there they are covering the bloody sky. I'm convinced this is what is causing our 'record' drought here in Australia which is causing all of our farmers to leave their land and sell it for a fraction of what it's worth to large corporate agricultural interests.

If David is not talking about it he should be.

[_neo2_]

its not called the inter-net and web for nothing.

[foreverspirit]

In case we forget, these sites are constructed of the information placed here by the members... and I'm going to go out on a limb, becuase I reckon there's a lot a lot of members DON'T write down in internet posts

The "real" stuff cannot be told: it can only be found. Even if it was written down, a mind that wasnt ready for it would just slide off it

I know: I tried for a while to communicate the "best" info I know... threads sank without a trace... posts were never replied to... it's how it is (with the human mind). Perception filters are VERY powerful, and can only be transcended when one can observe ones mind in totalitiy objectively. Otherwise, truly, our own self imposed limitations are invisible to us

But there is a way to turn it around Crusie4, which is for us all to ask ourselves "Am I sharing all I can share?"... and if we find more to share, then the level of info will go up

Forgive me, maybe I didn't quite start the thread of correctly. What I am really getting at, is not so much the Forums, but the whole information on the NWO, Bilderbergs, UN etc., I still feel there's something amiss here. Or maybe I have gathered all that there really is to know and am too lazy to take the time to do self examination? Self examination??? Enough already, I'm alive, I have the ability to create. I wanna live my dreams NOW! Then again, I know, your subconscious always brings you the totally of what is in there. Again, mind playing a trick, I know all there is to know for now. Switch of the computer, move on and create???:cool:

[foreverspirit]

its not called the inter-net and web for nothing.


Nice! Thanks!!:cool:

[john white]

To me chemtrails are one of the most visible aspects of the manipulation and should be discussed, everyday I walk out my door there they are covering the bloody sky. I'm convinced this is what is causing our 'record' drought here in Australia which is causing all of our farmers to leave their land and sell it for a fraction of what it's worth to large corporate agricultural interests.

If David is not talking about it he should be.

I do understand

There was this peice on the 7th november:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/9750/48/

And we have recently started discussing trails again on the UK 9/11 forum:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12035

It seems like there is a good chance of more usuable info coming through in the near future

I suggest being sure to request this when the membership are asked what they would like Dave to address in a future podcast

[cruise4]

"I still feel there's something amiss here" ... me too. I cannot shake this feeling which means there's something in it to me. But what is it?

Couldn't point me in the direction of your slip sliding perception avoiding articles, could you John? I'll read them.

PS. If you can't don't worry...I know how hard it can be to dig up old posts and stuff.

[john white]

Forgive me, maybe I didn't quite start the thread of correctly. What I am really getting at, is not so much the Forums, but the whole information on the NWO, Bilderbergs, UN etc., I still feel there's something amiss here. Or maybe I have gathered all that there really is to know and am too lazy to take the time to do self examination? Self examination??? Enough already, I'm alive, I have the ability to create. I wanna live my dreams NOW! Then again, I know, your subconscious always brings you the totally of what is in there. Again, mind playing a trick, I know all there is to know for now. Switch of the computer, move on and create???:cool:

Sure I kind of understood that, I simply addressed a smaller area of it... the main arguments are quite well rehearsed: "internet a double edged sword gives us freedom to communicate gives them ability to survail" etc

And they are all valid arguments IF we choose them to be.

Me I'm a pro-active kind of guy, and I'll be buggered if i will ever concede to anyone else the right to define my reality. If the internet is some kind of elaborate game being played with us, then I will do my damndest to turn the tables on "them": and equally I'm not going to hide in the shadows for fear of what "they" intend

We are here to experiance life, and thus have to LIVE

[john white]

"I still feel there's something amiss here" ... me too. I cannot shake this feeling which means there's something in it to me. But what is it?

Couldn't point me in the direction of your slip sliding perception avoiding articles, could you John? I'll read them.

By 'eck. Somewhere in the 25,000+ posts I've made in the last two years across umpteen forums!

But if I get inspired and see the same thing happening, I'll let you know!

[foreverspirit]

I do understand

There was this peice on the 7th november:

http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/9750/48/

And we have recently started discussing trails again on the UK 9/11 forum:

http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12035

It seems like there is a good chance of more usuable info coming through in the near future

I suggest being sure to request this when the membership are asked what they would like Dave to address in a future podcast



I went over to that forum and I saw the guy post:

Now I don't propose any answers for what these are - in fact I've said to each of the people I've brought this up wih that it could just as easily have a benevolent as a nefarious motive - but that doesn't make it a useless issue -


John White: Would you like to pass the following on to him?



What Chemtrails Really Are
By Carolyn Williams Palit
11-9-7

"The United States does not torture." --President George W. Bush

We are dealing with Star Wars. It involves the combination of chemtrails for creating an atmosphere that will support electromagnetic waves, ground-based, electromagnetic field oscillators called gyrotrons, and ionospheric heaters. Particulates make directed energy weapons work better. It has to do with "steady state" and particle density for plasma beam propagation.

They spray barium powders and let it photo-ionize from the ultraviolet light of the sun. Then, they make an aluminum-plasma generated by "zapping" the metal cations that are in the spray with either electromagnetics from HAARP, the gyrotron system on the ground [Ground Wave Emergency Network], or space-based lasers. The barium makes the aluminum-plasma more particulate dense. This means they can make a denser plasma than they normally could from just ionizing the atmosphere or the air.

More density [more particles] means that these particles which are colliding into each other will become more charged because there are more of them present to collide. What are they ultimately trying to do up there -- is create charged-particle, plasma beam weapons.
Chemtrails are the medium - GWEN pulse radars, the various HAARPs, and space-based lasers are the method, or more simply:

Chemtrails are the medium -- directed energy is the method.

Spray and Zap.

This system appears to be in Russia, Canada, the United States, and all of Europe. Exotic weapons can be mobile, stationary, land-based, aerial, or satellite.

It is an offensive and defensive system against EM attacks and missiles. It uses ionospheric particle shells as defense mechanisms [like a bug-zapper shell]* against missiles and EM attacks. That means they spray and then pump up the spray with electromagnetics. When these shells are created using the oscillating, electromagnetic, gyrotron stations, it "excludes" and displaces the background magnetic field. These shells can be layered one above another in a canopy fashion for extra protection from missiles. The chemtrail sprays have various elements in them like carbon which can used to absorb microwaves. Some of these sprays have metal flakes in them that make aerial craft invisible to radar. Spoofer sprays. Sprays like these can be used to create colorful, magnetized plasmas to cloak fighter jets.

There are satellite weapons involved. Activists are using meters and are getting readings of microwaves, x-rays, and some other kind of emission that they are not sure of, maybe a low-intensity laser.

They are also photographing gas plasma generation due to the heating of chemtrails by electromagnetics. The technical names for vertical and horizontal plasma columns are columnar focal lenses and horizontal drift plasma antennas. Various size of gas plasma orbs are associated with this technology. These orbs can be used as transmitters and receivers because they have great, refractory and optical properties. They also are capable of transmitting digital or analog sound. Barium, in fact, is very refractive -- more refractive than glass.

What does that mean? Someone or someones are very involved in unconstitutional, domestic spying and the entrained plasma orbs carried on electromagnetic beams can be used for mind control programming. The satellites can be programmed to track and monitor various frequencies on different parts of your body. These electromagnetic beams carrying the gas plasma orbs stick due magnetic polarity and frequency mapping and tracking to people's eyes, ears, temples, and private parts. A beam with entrained orbs carries pictures in each orb just like the different frames in a movie. It is a particle beam that is also a frequency weapon.

The satellites download holographic mind control movies, pictures, sounds, and sensations to people through this technology. The Air Force has stated in "Air Force 2025" that their goal is to develop virtual and augmented reality mind control. Depending on the how the computer is programmed or depending on the mood or intent of the person interfacing with the technology, you can be probed, bothered, gaslighted, frightened, manipulated, electronically raped, or tortured. It scans your brain frequencies and deciphers your thoughts. The satellites track you by mapping your bioenergetic signature [body biometrics] and constantly scanning an area to find you.

We are the lab rats for this technology and something is very wrong in the military or intelligence branches somewhere. Because developmental projects in government and military are often so compartmentalized, I suppose someone could be using and developing this technology secretly and without authorization. Then again, behavioral and mind control programs were an authorized policy under MKULTRA. Our country has a history of experimenting on its citizens. We are talking about satellite charged-particle frequency weapons attacking a person 24 hours a day. Psychotronic weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction by the U.N.

"HAARPs" can create earthquakes and can also x-ray the earth to find underground military bases, gold, or oil reserves. These ionospheric heaters can also operate as an over-the-horizon or under-the-ocean communications system. This system can control the weather or create disasters. Taken together with the aurora keyhole through-your-roof satellite surveillance system, Echelon electronic computer/phone sweeps, plasma-cloaked DOD Drug War helicopters and stealths, implants, and cameras on the street, it constitutes one, big global and space control grid.

These weapons involve beams. Two beams overlapped will couple into a particle-ion beam that will bounce off of a remote target and send a holographic image back to the satellite for remote spying operations. When you cross two strong beams, you can supposedly* create scalar energies. These energies can be used as untraceable weapons for nuclear size explosions or for defense. These crossed-energies can be used to cause a person's physical electrical system to fail or with a lower frequency, administer a kind of remote electro-shock. Visualize touching a positive and negative electric cable to each other on top of your head. Scalar energies can be utilized in hand-held military guns and on tanks. They can dud-out electronics or cause large, electrical blackouts. Scalar energies are practically impossible to shield against. You need lead, ceramics, and a deep underground facility to not be affected by these weapons. Or, you need to be up and above the field of battle.

People who are working on these issues hear tones and hums. If you hear persistent tones and static; have body vibrations, burning sensations, "bangs" to the head, neurological damage, or immune system damage; are hearing electronic voices or hearing the sound of a plasma; suffering from pains deep in your organs or constant headaches; or experiencing other anomalous activity then you may be being targeted by directed energy, mind control weapons. These weapons could be on helicopters, jets, stealth fighters, or on satellites. Directed energy beams and electromagnetic waves can be sent to you via hand-held devices or piggy-backed in on cell phone and satellite towers.

Is it possible that someone(s) are very afraid of coming famines and riots due to the ongoing, man-induced failure of the ecological system, and they are saturating the earth with chemtrails for large- scale, gas plasma mind control? Is this the last grasp for the world's resources? Or, are they just control freaks and money mongers? Someone would like to get to that oil under the melting [due to chemtrail-trapped EM heat] Artic. And, I guess the Third World is not a part of this system. I don't think that the developed nations are going to let them in on this either.

Any country that joins this NATO system will become mind-controlled and diseased due to the associated, intense, oscillating, electromagnetic fields, electromagnetic soup, and the poisonous, toxic chemtrails. Our DNA will break. We risk the earth's spin and tilt becoming messed up due to mucking around with the magnetic fields through this military technology. Maybe, it is already messed up.

It constitutes U.S. global domination via NATO and the erosion of civil rights. According to Charlotte Iserbyt and Al Martin, there are ex-KGB and ex-STASI advising our new Office of Total Information Awareness. They are the ones creating our new internal passports [national ID]. And under "The Treaty on Open Skies," we have overflights by Russian and German military. Who exactly is flying those plasma-cloaked craft that are seen all over this country and mistaken for UFOs by people who do not know about this aerial deception technology? Obviously, we have another "Project Paperclip" in the making. We can add the new thugs to the 2,000 Iraqi brought into country by Daddy Bush who are now living in Nebraska.

The elitist corporate government is going to hold the rest of us hostage with directed energy weapons in space, if the Policy for a New American Century group - PNAC - Bush and cronie think tank has their way, along with directed energy attacks against any country or citizen that they decide they do not like. These weapons can create climate war, weather war, mind war, cyber war, disease war, disaster war, and undetectable war. Taken together they can create economic war.

If this system is not stopped, it will kill billions due to aluminum and barium poisoning. It will kill billions due to crop failures and world-wide famine. It will cause heart attacks, strokes, and cancers. It will cause stillbirths, miscarriages, and infertility. The chemtrail sprays often have fungi, bacteria, viruses, dessicated red blood cells, crystalline substances, carbon, metal cations, lithium, other chemicals, heavy metals, and God knows what - probably smart dust, or nanocrap. Years of biowarfare testing on the American public is no big secret anymore. Spraying germs in the sky where they mutate due to the ultra-violet light -- brillant plan, my man. Are we acceptable losses or is this by design?

I know that many of the major players have big investments in pharmaceutical companies, GM seeds [seeds that can grow in an electromagnetic soup], weapons and directed energy development contracts, oil contracts, genetic research, and mind control research. Some of these people have had a familial history of financial and policy support for population control, eugenics, Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx, Pinochet, Hussein, and various other dictators. Some of the major players were the masterminds of the death squads in Central and South America. They stand to make a big profit on our death and disease. Just take a look at Rumsfield and Tamiflu.

I assume that they know the dangers of this system and that they take care to stay in their shielded, air-filtered offices, homes, bases, and cars. I assume they take chelating substances to remove the barium and aluminum from their bodies and minds. If not, then they really do not understand the far-ranging implications of this destructive system. Congress may not understand just what a terrible weapons system and control grid they are funding.

As I understand it, Tesla towers attached to deep-earth, free-energy taps are to be created over the 10-12 magnetic poles and the GWEN system phased-out. Has this already been done? This should allow total control of the earth through giant, Tesla death ray-guns. This natural, electromagnetic earth was not meant to be an un-natural dynamo to power man's weapons or his utility companies.

Over-unity systems [Tesla devices]* are as of yet, another unexplored and probably not understood man-made energy. We should be very suspect of free energy. As we can see, the forms of man-made energy that have been created and used in the past have not been good for this planet. Maybe it is time to reconsider the options available to us through the development of crops for fuel, wind, solar, and water power. We need world-wide, different, more holistic, renewable, energy programs.

Is there any good news? Yes. There has been tons of particulate dumping through the spray operations for 8 years over the Americas, Europe, Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, and from what I can find out, over Russia. And, what goes around blows around, right? So, these substances are probably actually global. It sure makes a ton of sense to spray poisonous elements in 24 NATO countries and let the substances be carried around the earth on the jet streams to poison yourself, your enemies, and all neutral and non-combatent countries. Talk about making more enemies.

The water, air, and soil of all of these countries is so saturated with metal cations that these weapons freaks should be able to zap and mind f--k each other quite well now and as often as they wish. Once they have clobbered each other with light-saber beams for a few years and razed and scorched sections of the earth, they may start to realize that this foreign policy will lead to a defective human race and a rotten economy.

Do you think they will have knocked some sense into each other by then and will decide that non-proliferation and arms reduction is the more civilized and mature direction to take in world affairs? I doubt it, cause only idiots would have developed horrific, planet-killer weapons like these. But, I'll bet the rest of the planet will finally rise up and tell these juvenile delinquents to quit playing with those rayguns right this second.

After further thought on Bearden + -- a big over-unity and free energy proponent of Tesla technology that makes energy off of boiling the ionosphere or stealing electricity from the mis-named "vacumn" called Life, I have decided that Bearden is telling us some, if not most, of the truth. Same for Eastlund.

http://rense.com/general79/chem.htm:cool:

[_neo2_]

Nice! Thanks!!:cool:

sorry,didnt mean to put a dampner on things,like john says double edged sword..just interested in the word play.

[john white]

John White: Would you like to pass the following on to him?

I don't have any kind of direct line to David, any more than any other member, and I am 100% sure Icke already has the information, but if theres a chance for me to say "lots of people want you to talk more about chemtrails Dave" I will definately pipe up

[foreverspirit]

Again is the aforementioned propaganda? Also are we here because we come from Christian religious backgrounds that basically didn't set any patterns of fun, joy and excitement patterns into our subconscious. And lo, the only thing we knew while growing up we end up repeating by going to our new religion with our on line bibles, because we don't have real friends, family, connections etc.,? Just as life will provide a child for you know who, it provides this mind screw just like the ones we grew up with, with our parents? Being concerned about global governance just like we were fearful and concerned about the book of revelations? The rest of the so called sheeple when the so called SHTF will still have memories of love, joy, laughter, travel, children, basically LIFE, while what will we have? We were so clever we knew global governnance was coming. I now realize subconscious fear of Armageddon ruled my whole life. I'm going to pour all this new stuff in now and miss the rest of my life?? The so called benevelant force of the universe doesn't seem to be too concerned with what's going on. Supplying them with all the energy to carry out their debauchery from time immemorial. Should I care or just go get laid, love and live a little (or make that a lot) and chill.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

sorry,didnt mean to put a dampner on things,like john says double edged sword..just interested in the word play.

Hey, that's no damper my friend. Just a simple truth/reality!!:cool:

[foreverspirit]

I don't have any kind of direct line to David, any more than any other member, and I am 100% sure Icke already has the information, but if theres a chance for me to say "lots of people want you to talk more about chemtrails Dave" I will definately pipe up

No John, I didn't mean David. I meant the guy in the post from the link you supplied: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12035:cool:. To me, he seems a bit frustrated.

[john white]

No John, I didn't mean David. I meant the guy in the post from the link you supplied: http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=12035:cool:. To me, he seems a bit frustrated.

LOL whoops! OK, no worries

[foreverspirit]

Don't get me wrong. It's not like I'm lonely and unsociable. It's just I've done a lot of clearing out recently. Realizing I have a habit of attracting all the not so right people for myself. I've let them go. I also realize there's no need for me to pretend and be "Nice" being. There's that pattern, don't be an individual, be nice, enable people to abuse you. Nah. I don't think so. You can't behave like a thinking, understandiing, compassionate human, screw it. No more making excuses for peoples so called patterns. I've had to clear mine. Bugger off and clear your own.:cool:

[28th kingdom]

Just know this... if the internet was hurting the Illuminati, it wouldn't exist.

[foreverspirit]

LOL whoops! OK, no worries

Is okay. Thanks for all.:cool:

[king]

Hi

I think it would give the nwo etc or Whoever excellent information as to who is awake and aware of what is going on in the world,



yes, that is definitely why they gave us "total information network" ... oops the internet ;-)


http://www.dojgov.net/darpa_seal_large.gif


and therefore those who would cause trouble or be a threat in some way, so they could be taken first.


i used to believe this as well. but, now after studying THEIR METHODS i am pretty positive that "taken first" is NOT what they want to do, because that would definitely create undesirable "cat is out of the bag" scenario that could lead to a situation where shitload of people are beginning to see the puppet master.

that would be disastrous to PTBs.

no, sir, that part has to be surreptitious, otherwise PTBs can loose the control of the situation! THAT is what they are really afraid of -- loosing the control.

so, what do they do?
I noticed that Matrix Agents who work for PTBs keep monitoring and often forcefully "probing" what people really think, as is expressed in blogs, forums and other internet communication.

then, they run with information to their paymasters who in turn tell those matrix agents what "adjustments" to push next.

Ultimately i got a good feeling that this "profiling" will be one major elements contributing to downfall of PTB's plans.
(yes, I know that they are reading this)
I will not even go to the things that those agents are unable to understand as when power of human spirit is coupled with incredible human intelligence -- all derived from the creative force that is everywhere, including within us. to those agents that can never "compute"

bummer, those 1's and 0' in Matrix' "computereese" seem to be so limiting... PTBs in their inferior minds do not understand that you cannot even begin to contemplate using the computers to figure out human mind that is connected with spirit of universe.
bunch of dummies.... lol


and, the reason for PTB's coming downfall is that they really have no frigging idea how many people are aware of the level of conspiracy.

I mean, if (say) a mailman is aware of chemtrails (a government worker, you know) and PTBs have no tab on this dude -- they do not know what he really thinks, how he will react, whom he will talk to.. and about WHAT.

and, many people are past the point of fear, that is they know that fear is used as a weapon against them, so they have their own weapon they are not telling anyone about.
and that is the most dangerous weapon, weapon of self determination or decision not to play their game or ... whatever else weapon they have. ... because that is called a wildcard and we know that PTBs hate wildcards, because -- you cannot control people who are like wildcards -- you can control only the sheeple.

you know... the shepherd and sheep thingy

lol



The other I think also is possibly to use the sites as a way to promote more fear in this world and hence people constantly thinking about it and it therefore manifesting in some way.

excellent! exactly right
and i know now what Icke has meant by saying that PTBs are keeping us in "lower vibration" because that is what a very effective method of control is.
only, now -- we are able to understand how an article, a book, a video, a movie is designed to do so, therefore we can make conscious choice not to fall for their tricks.


Then there is the other one which is my favourite, a wonderful way for information to get out there for others to truly think and feel what feels right for them and what does not.

Take Care

yes, this is true too.
what we keep forgetting is that we are immensely powerful, because we are the integral part of whole, the creation -- therefore we are part of animating and creative force that always existed and always will.

so, if we know that, if we stay connected to that force, then what is there to worry except NOT to live our lives to the minimum but to the maximum of our potentials?!
it is so stupid that we think that small group of perverts in power can control us IF WE DO NOT WANT THEM TO.

then can physically arrest me, beat me, torture me or kill me but they can never control me -- if i do not want them to.

think about it...

[foreverspirit]

yes, that is definitely why they gave us "total information network" ... oops the internet ;-)


http://www.dojgov.net/darpa_seal_large.gif


then can physically arrest me, beat me, torture me or kill me but they can never control me -- if i do not want them to.

think about it...


I believe even being physically arrested, beaten or tortured is still a form of control for them. Once we gird on our full potential/power, they will not be able to do even that!!:cool:


http://youtube.com/watch?v=s72Hy6PEBfs

[i_am]

David may not speak in depth on chemtrails, however, there is a lot of information posted on his news site about chemtrails.

Here is one such article

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/300542.shtml

So although he may not, personally, speak much about Chemtrails he does give them plenty of exposure

http://www.davidicke.com/index.php?searchword=chemtrails&option=com_search&Itemid= for more

[lemonique]

The "real" stuff cannot be told: it can only be found. Even if it was written down, a mind that wasnt ready for it would just slide off it

So true John. There is so much I see in the skies at night. If I was to splurge all on the Forum or elsewhere then 'they' would know what I know, and most likely adjust their goings on accordingly. I enjoy what I see, and I 'know' what they are doing, so Mum's the word ;-) I would rather know what 'they' are up to :-) Drives them nuts too us that don't let on....HaHa

Well, I'm of to watch a 007 movie!! Been out in my garden today, planting up the summer veg. I have lettuces I can eat already and radishes, so off to a flying start!

Have to say that the 'BLUE' Chemtrails they are spraying now taste like Shite!! yuk! had to keep popping inside for water. I suppose they think we can't see the BLUE Chemtrails against a blue sky, and are putting in more 'ingredients'. Bastards! So watch for the BLUE Chemtrails guys and Gals! you will probably taste them before you see them unfortunately.......

Cheers

[lottie]

Have to say that the 'BLUE' Chemtrails they are spraying now taste like Shite!! yuk! had to keep popping inside for water. I suppose they think we can't see the BLUE Chemtrails against a blue sky, and are putting in more 'ingredients'. Bastards! So watch for the BLUE Chemtrails guys and Gals! you will probably taste them before you see them unfortunately.......

Cheers

:eek: BLUE???!!!!

Clever....but still stupid!! :D:rolleyes:

I'll have to keep an eye out! have you only seen this is your country?

[lemonique]

:eek: BLUE???!!!!

Clever....but still stupid!! :D:rolleyes:

I'll have to keep an eye out! have you only seen this is your country?

Well, it's here in NZ now, and I think it's also in Canada (not sure of that)

Love
Lemonique

[foreverspirit]

The "real" stuff cannot be told: it can only be found. Even if it was written down, a mind that wasnt ready for it would just slide off it


Have to say that the 'BLUE' Chemtrails they are spraying now taste like Shite!! yuk! had to keep popping inside for water. I suppose they think we can't see the BLUE Chemtrails against a blue sky, and are putting in more 'ingredients'. Bastards! So watch for the BLUE Chemtrails guys and Gals! you will probably taste them before you see them unfortunately.......

Cheers

I can see your angle, however, info.(a lot born/posessed of realism) is told and found on this website and in the world all the time. I would hope/think the majority on this site are ready to at least consider new information. Unready minds wouldn't be anywhere near the vicinity.

Yes it's wise you wouldn't want to alert them as too what you know. Then again, would they really care? How long have we known what they're up too. They don't give a frick. They're marching on, heck they've even expanded on their creative juices by making the chemtrail blue!

Oddly enough I was just parking my car yesterday and when I looked at the passenger side window it looked like when a bird takes a turd and a big one at it too. Yet it was blue. I thought too myself, how strange, what the freak was that bird eating? Thanks for the blue chemtrail info. Makes sense now.:cool:

[mountain]

Lots of great ideas here. Especially the manifesting one. The monitoring one, well, eh, I don't think they give a hoot, we're probably really minor to them until we work on ourselves. Then when we do, I'd like to believe they are totally no match for us. You take excellent care of yourself too.:cool:

I agree. I believe this is all meant to be, to awaken humans full potential to the max.

My mom said the other day out of the blue... "You know, the internet was the worst thing they could have ever done." I just turned and looked at her with awe.:D

[cruise4]

I saw a plane with a blackchemtrail line 'in front of it'. I've seen this mentioned elsewhere. Has anyone else here seen this phenomena? I thought it was certain garbage until I saw one. The likely explanation is an optical illusion, but I don't know. Very odd.

I've also seen 3 planes all together through a telescope. All were silver and all had an orange strip up the tail. One was laying a chemtrail. The other two didn't even have a contrail. That to me was 'proof' something was going on.

[foreverspirit]

Expanded Awareness.:cool:

[foreverspirit]

Expanded Awareness.:cool:

See Thread: Alan Watt - Cutting Through The Matrix.:cool:

[lifeofbrian]

Love to hear the different opinion as to why TPTB are letting us know all this? :cool:

It's "testing".

[foreverspirit]

It's "testing".


Testing or Programming? They know already we've seen through societal farceness. I fell for a lot of new age, oneness, love and continue to forgive your abusers bullcrap. Talk about creation!!

Now I am immensely impressed by Alan Watt. Not the man per say, but by how much of his research answered many of my "yeah but, I dunno about that one". Still now I wonder, what might he be being used for to push the Agenda.

In either case, it really doesn't matter, as I feel strongly. All that is required for the moment, has been cleared up. Just go on creating a wonderful life for myself. Stay awake and away from wicked people. Don't allow them for a moment to throw their negativity on me. Just look at the plants in a garden. Never do you see a healthy plant give up its life/energy to help a withering one. It just minds it's business and keeps glory and beauty alive!!

I ain't saying "boo" to anyone. No one woke me up. The force within did. The same divinity that flows within myself, is the same that flows within others. It always decides when it will awaken!!:cool: