Reptilian Motive...?

[okami]

Assuming that reptilians exist, and they are in control....

Why?

To enslave us? If so; why couldn`t a sufficiently advanced race technologically enslave us straight from the moment they got here?

To eat us? Once again, why wouldn`t they begin cloning programs etc. straight from the first moment they came here?

I honestly can`t figure out what a motive would be; if they came with advanced technology than they would have had the ability to do what they want to us before needing to install bloodlines here on Earth...

Just asking...

[woghd]

Assuming that reptilians exist, and they are in control....

Why?

To enslave us? If so; why couldn`t a sufficiently advanced race technologically enslave us straight from the moment they got here?

To eat us? Once again, why wouldn`t they begin cloning programs etc. straight from the first moment they came here?

I honestly can`t figure out what a motive would be; if they came with advanced technology than they would have had the ability to do what they want to us before needing to install bloodlines here on Earth...

Just asking...

As long as people are oppressed, they will fight and resist you.
If you can trick a group of people into thinking that they are NOT oppressed, not only will they fail to offer any resistance, they will actually work HARDER.

Imagine what a cattle driver would go through if each head of cattle suddenly decided it was an individual, and decided to amble off in it's own direction...

Archangel

[octopusrex]

Survive.

[okami]

Quote:
Originally Posted by okami View Post
Assuming that reptilians exist, and they are in control....

Why?

To enslave us? If so; why couldn`t a sufficiently advanced race technologically enslave us straight from the moment they got here?

To eat us? Once again, why wouldn`t they begin cloning programs etc. straight from the first moment they came here?

I honestly can`t figure out what a motive would be; if they came with advanced technology than they would have had the ability to do what they want to us before needing to install bloodlines here on Earth...

Just asking...
As long as people are oppressed, they will fight and resist you.
If you can trick a group of people into thinking that they are NOT oppressed, not only will they fail to offer any resistance, they will actually work HARDER.

Imagine what a cattle driver would go through if each head of cattle suddenly decided it was an individual, and decided to amble off in it's own direction...

Archangel




-- Opress for the sake of opression?

Lizardman1: Hey I have a great idea; let`s opress these monkey-like creatures on this blue planet over here!
Lizardman2:What for? We already have advanced enough technology for deep space travel; what possible benefit could we gain from opressing these animals?
Lizardman1: *Shrugs* It`d pass some time I guess...
Lizardman2: Alright dude, whatever. Start making some bloodlines to leave on this crappy rock for the next godknowshowmany millenia....

Opression is a method; not a motive. You don`t opress cattle unless you want their meat. What do the reptilians want?

[jimijams]

Opression is a method; not a motive. You don`t opress cattle unless you want their meat. What do the reptilians want?
According to some researchers it has to do with gold, supposedly very rare and valuable to them for some reason so they genetically engineered us as a slave race to mine the gold and other precious minerals for them.

[okami]

Wouldn`t making us a slave race the MOST ineffective method of mining gold available to a high-technology race?

Supposedly there is enough gold on the ocean floor to render gold semi-worthless because it would no longer be a rare commodity. Wouldn`t a race available of deep-space travel be able to mine that (or at least mine what we humans can at our present level of technology) without bothering to enslave humans OR waiting thousands of years...?

[jimijams]

Wouldn`t making us a slave race the MOST ineffective method of mining gold available to a high-technology race?

Supposedly there is enough gold on the ocean floor to render gold semi-worthless because it would no longer be a rare commodity. Wouldn`t a race available of deep-space travel be able to mine that (or at least mine what we humans can at our present level of technology) without bothering to enslave humans OR waiting thousands of years...?
Yes you maybe right, but this is just the most common theory I've heard. My personal opinion on this is that the matrix is a kind of energy farm designed to feed these lower vibrational entities(reptillians?). They feed on our fear by creating chaos, war and destruction in the world.

[woghd]

I think they feed off our fear and misery, and entertain themselves by playing sick and depraved games with us as pawns.

(But I have no proof of that)

Archangel

[gordonfreeman]

Humans can be so deceiving........they are young. But they are evolving.

[razed1]

reptilians are serving the real enemy on earth

i dont think the reptiles are a threat to us on thier own

[octopusrex]

The Naga are no different than the Buffalo.

Just a tribe, trying to get along...

The meanest game in town is Humanity.

They are the only real traitors. To themselves and everybody else.

[lilly555]

i think that the reptilians feeding off of us is more like a drug addiction

as opposed to a sort of food supply...

they seem to want control..so maybe they are controlling thier "dose"

steadily goes up (population control), takes breaks (ice age).. they never overdose this way

also maybe they arent in control...maybe they made a pact with the true controllers that allow them to do this stuff..but they are still under orders to follow thier rules..the reptilians seem like slaves/pawns to me jsut like we are..only they are getting paid with our suffering(thier drug of choice)

just some theories...

[razed1]

The Naga are no different than the Buffalo.

Just a tribe, trying to get along...

The meanest game in town is Humanity.

They are the only real traitors. To themselves and everybody else.

i wouldnt be too hard on humanity,

theres only one reason evil thats present here, and these are the monarch bloodlines of europe,

whom i dont put into the same category as humanity, and neither do they themselves

[woghd]

i think that the reptilians feeding off of us is more like a drug addiction

as opposed to a sort of food supply...

they seem to want control..so maybe they are controlling thier "dose"

steadily goes up (population control), takes breaks (ice age).. they never overdose this way

also maybe they arent in control...maybe they made a pact with the true controllers that allow them to do this stuff..but they are still under orders to follow thier rules..the reptilians seem like slaves/pawns to me jsut like we are..only they are getting paid with our suffering(thier drug of choice)

just some theories...

Yes, I think they feed off of our suffering. I don't know if it actually sustains them, it may be something they do for a "high", or for entertainment, or recreation. They seem to play a lot of sick and twisted games.

Archangel

[razed1]

i think the whole "feeding off our lower emotions" is not done by the reptilians

but rather their masters, the descendants and orginal 'nephilim' invaders that came here and messed with our dna

they say these beings could be buried under the sands of middle east, and are in some kind of cryogenic state, waiting to be reanimated (just like the vampyres in the movie UNDERWORLD)

i think those beings are the ones feeding off all the bad emotions humans are put through

[Mo0n5tar]

That just sounds like a plot to one of the thousand of sci fi scripts that get turned down every month.

[368jrn]

http://www.michaelsharp.org/

I have read some of this guys books, and basically the purpose of the Reptilians aka THE ANNUNAKI, is to keep us in fear so that premature Chakra activation does not occur, and fuck up the whole ascension process ( 2012 ) again like it did with Atlantis and Lumeria.

The Reptilians primary instinct is to control, this is done without emotion. Tell me, doesn`t that just fit the description of our leaders today? eh.

Have a look at the link above, will help explain it better than i can, :D, peace out.

[siliconpsychosis]

According to Michael Tsarions book 'Atlantis, Alien Visitation and Genetic Manipulation' the Annunaki lost their advanced weaponry approximately 10000 years ago due to the pole shift that occurred as a result of their previous global nucleur war with their progeny the Lemurians.

After the pole shift, the Annunaki herded together the surviving 'Adamic' humans. They felt vulnerable without their weaponry and used the humans as a means to mine the Earth and slowly rebuild their military might. This would have been more urgent knowing that the surviving Lemurians would also be trying to extend their power, through cultural expansion, across other parts of the globe.

The thousands of years since this time has been the period in which the Annunaki have slowly extended their power across the globe, continually keeping the humans divided whilst simultaneously increasing their technological and military hardware.

They were never in a rush to achieve their goals. To remain undetected, a slow, stealthy approach would maximise their chances of gaining complete control with humanity being blind of what was really happening.

[Mo0n5tar]

Thats based on the work of Sitchin, some of his stuff is good but hmm, not so sure he has all the answers.

I have read some of this guys books, and basically the purpose of the Reptilians aka THE ANNUNAKI, is to keep us in fear so that premature Chakra activation does not occur, and fuck up the whole ascension process ( 2012 ) again like it did with Atlantis and Lumeria.

What better way to keep people in fear than to persuade them there are omnipresent interdimensional entities addicted to draining their life force, floating through the multiverse and through our very streets, intent on abducting us, sacrificing us and which look like dinosaurs.

[lilly555]

so who is the achitech then? i've seen a plaque to him at the local scottish rite headquarters. saying, "to the great architech of the universe"

is it the head/top/ruling reptile bloodline who rules, or something even higher..maybe a fouth demensional enity that gave the reptilians the "technology/knowledge" to do all of this stuff?

[demiurge]

But aren t the reptiles some sort of 4 density entities, that is five dimensional beigns that can move invisibly through time and space and then shape shift into humans by will because they need to contol us in order to survive and make these mathematicaly (numerologycaly) correct patterns of catastrophy for their vibrational purpouses.
I ask that because most of people think they are only some sort of extraterrestrial creatures that need to control us in order to take over the planet, but as i read and heard they are acctually beyond our 3 dimensional world.
My thoughts are that they are contoling this side of this matrix world in order to evolve into something grater(is this grater good or bad i don t know). But if we are also going to evolve into 4-density beigns i ask myself this: are we also going to need vibrational patterns of other forms of life in order to evolve from that, and use(manipulate) their feelings in order to evolve into something greater(maybe to wake from the matrix(whatever that means)) without considering their thoughts and feelings. Maybe the reptiles are also trying to wake from the matrix using evil or are they trying to preserve it? i ask this because i m not so much informed about the reptile entites(though i read the bigest secret and some of those transcripts of the light beign entities(pleidians or some other name, i ve forgotten))anyway all i know is that their agenda isn t good for us.

But my thoughts are also that the reptiles are trying to convince us that they are the true rulers and creators of this world(many people, like the native-american Indians speak of their encounters in their astral states that speak to the great snake that tell them they are only human that cannot affect their life for they are the soul purpouse its craeted and these snake also form the dna code witch determine every human- many anthropologhists also claim they encountered them with the use of ayahuasca in the villages of the Indians). I think the reptiles have forgotten or know but don t want us to know we all came from the same light that created us all, good or bad or complicated fractions of both, and that to reach that light is the soul purpose of us all (or maybe it s not), but that s the puorpose of the undetermined: You create the purpouse :)

[sb_priest]

Anyone mind giving me either a link to somewhere with a quick history of these reptilians or would someone mind giving me a summary?

This information will be most helpful.

[siliconpsychosis]

Hi S B Priest. Heres a little summary that I have gleamed from Tsarions work.

Approximately 40000 years ago, the Annunaki, on the run reached our solar system. They sent an unmanned 'decoy' onto the planet Tiamut whilst they themselves desended to Earth and hid in underground tunnels and caverns. Tiamat was a huge watery planet also known in mythology as 'the second sun', Marduk and other names. Anyways, Tiamat exploded and much of the planet crashed down to Earth causing 'The Great Deluge' and the annihilation of many species.

When 'calm' returned, the Annunaki surfaced, and founded the advanced civilisation of Atlantis. They required a slave race and so they began a program of genetic hybridization in the place known as 'Eden'. It is here where they spliced their own alien Dna with Neanderthal Man to form a super advanced race later known as the 'Lemurians.' However the Lemurians did not wish to be a slave race to their 'equals' and formed their own civilisation called 'Lemuria'.

The annunaki were obviously furious and so they created another race in a similar fashion, but this time they made sure this race was 'ignorant'. Thus the birth of 'Adamic' man in Eden, naked of intelligence and unaware of his true origin.

When the Lemurians realised that the Annunaki had created this ignorant slave race, they tried to liberate them. The Lemurians were known in mythology as 'the sons of the serpent', and this story was told in the bible as the snake tempting Eve.

The Lemurians found the 'Eves' more receptive than the 'Adams', so they taught the 'Eves' the secrets hidden from them.

The 'tree of life' means knowledge of genetics. The serpent Dna spiral helix.
The forbidden fruit means the knowledge of mans true origin.

Thus, as the bible says, the snake tempted Eve with the knowledge of humanities true origin as a genetic hybrid race.

When the Annunaki (the Biblical Lord) realised that its second creation were no longer ignorant they waged a global nucleur war against the Lemurians, which not only caused unimaginable damage to the entire planet and its many species, but also caused a Pole Shift.

The Pole shift was even worse than the nucleur war, and when this had subsided, the Annunaki was left with nothing. Their advanced technology and civilisation was completely destroyed.

The Annunaki felt very vulnerable without their super weapons and they soon established new bases in the middle east. The Lemurians however spread their high culture to the ends of the Earth. The Annunaki led the humans to inventing metallurgy so that they could start mining the resources they desperately needed.

And thus we come to what is regarded in conventional history as the birth of human civilsation. History since then has been a matter of the Annunaki spreading their control across the globe, keeping its slave humans in servitude and ignorance whilst simultaneously rebuilding their weaponry and technological 'heritage'.

I hope that helps Priest.

[sb_priest]

Thank you. It has cleared much up.

[hirschfelder]

Anyone mind giving me either a link to somewhere with a quick history of these reptilians or would someone mind giving me a summary?

This information will be most helpful.

Just to add to the Tsarion summary, he doesn't think the annunaki are reptilian, but he thinks they may have done some genetic experiments involving reptiles. These would be the reptilian beings spoke of to this day, presumably

Credo Mutwa (interviewed by Icke, mp3 available all over the interpipe) said the reptilians, or Chitauri, descended to earth thousands of years ago and interbred with humans, essentially creating the illuminati bloodlines. In other words, Mutwa posits that the annunaki spoke of by Tsarion are reptilian.

I think he also thinks they were originally from earth, ruled the earth long ago, set up home on a new planet, before eventually returning. He cites a species of reptile that responds to human language which can be found in Africa

He also says that humans, at the point of the chitauri's return, were androgynous and there was a persistent drizzle over the earth. An image I kind of like

[seer74]

Assuming that reptilians exist, and they are in control....

Why?

To enslave us? If so; why couldn`t a sufficiently advanced race technologically enslave us straight from the moment they got here?

To eat us? Once again, why wouldn`t they begin cloning programs etc. straight from the first moment they came here?

I honestly can`t figure out what a motive would be; if they came with advanced technology than they would have had the ability to do what they want to us before needing to install bloodlines here on Earth...

Just asking...
well, actually they did do all those things right away. The purpose of the bloodlines is to KEEP control, not gain it. And the motive is to feed off our energy in order to keep up up their OWN illusions and avoid the light which they fear.

[seer74]

you know something siliconphychosis? I've long felt the story of adam and eve and the forbidden fruit a very paradoxical tale, one which can be interpreted two different ways, both equally true. One is the meaning you ascribe, with which i agree completely, but there is also an oppositte yet equally true meaning to it, in which "God" is the universal mind of love and the "serpent" is the chitauri or annunaki, the knowledge delivered by the fruit an illusory knowledge by which they enslave our consciousness in manipulated judgements of good and evil as metaphor for dualism in general, (dualism implying separatness as opposed to the oneness that lies at the heart of our true being) thus the fall from "God's Grace" into the curse that is life in the matrix.

[seer74]

http://www.michaelsharp.org/

I have read some of this guys books, and basically the purpose of the Reptilians aka THE ANNUNAKI, is to keep us in fear so that premature Chakra activation does not occur, and fuck up the whole ascension process ( 2012 ) again like it did with Atlantis and Lumeria.

The Reptilians primary instinct is to control, this is done without emotion. Tell me, doesn`t that just fit the description of our leaders today? eh.

Have a look at the link above, will help explain it better than i can, :D, peace out.

There it is. Thats what I'm talking about, yeah, yeah yeah, wait for 2012 don't awaken too soon no no no, that'll never do. After 2012 there is no escape. ASCENSION NOW!!!!!!!! Yeah, their helping us, right gimme a break, they are building a prison around us the sooner we activate our chakras the better, the sooner we wake up from this dream world the better.
They want you to think 2012 is the time for ascension so you will wait until they have SEALED THIS TOMB around our minds. We have got to wake up before that happens.

[Mo0n5tar]

so who is the achitech then? i've seen a plaque to him at the local scottish rite headquarters. saying, "to the great architech of the universe"

is it the head/top/ruling reptile bloodline who rules, or something even higher..maybe a fouth demensional enity that gave the reptilians the "technology/knowledge" to do all of this stuff?

"[The universe] cannot be read until we have learnt the language and become familiar with the characters in which it is written. It is written in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without which means it is humanly impossible to comprehend a single word." --Galilei, Galileo (1564 - 1642), Opere Il Saggiatore

Geometry, the circle/spiraling point, golden ration, the square, triangle etc are all studied, the architect is the creative force of the universe, some may say Yahweh.

Masonry doesn't deal with naming the architect simply revering his creation.

[woghd]

"[The universe] cannot be read until we have learnt the language and become familiar with the characters in which it is written. It is written in mathematical language, and the letters are triangles, circles and other geometrical figures, without which means it is humanly impossible to comprehend a single word." --Galilei, Galileo (1564 - 1642), Opere Il Saggiatore

Geometry, the circle/spiraling point, golden ration, the square, triangle etc are all studied, the architect is the creative force of the universe, some may say Yahweh.

Masonry doesn't deal with naming the architect simply revering his creation.


Masonry reveres nothing but their reptilian masters.

Archangel

[lilly555]

haha it's kinda like worshipping the architect for making them the rulers and all that

[seer74]

haha it's kinda like worshipping the architect for making them the rulers and all that

right

[siliconpsychosis]

Woghd wrote,

Masonry reveres nothing but their reptilian masters.

I would elaborate that statement by saying masons first revere the power they individually acquire through being part of a secret society. As they climb through the societies 'ranks' the knowledge bestowed upon may reveal the existence of their reptilian masters. Then they start to rever the reptilians.

Promotion through the secret societies is probably related to the presence of particular 'negative' traits such as 'thirst for power over others', 'ruthlessness', 'selfishness', 'greed' and 'fear of the abyss'. Similar traits to the Annunaki themselves.

Its as if the Annunaki have engineered the human race to aspire to their 'creators' very own primary characteristics. Those humans with the strongest of these traits will 'achieve' more.

Those humans with stronger Annunaki genes, such as the bloodlineage, will probably have these strong negative traits simply through their very genes.

[seer74]

Woghd wrote,

Masonry reveres nothing but their reptilian masters.

I would elaborate that statement by saying masons first revere the power they individually acquire through being part of a secret society. As they climb through the societies 'ranks' the knowledge bestowed upon may reveal the existence of their reptilian masters. Then they start to rever the reptilians.

Promotion through the secret societies is probably related to the presence of particular 'negative' traits such as 'thirst for power over others', 'ruthlessness', 'selfishness', 'greed' and 'fear of the abyss'. Similar traits to the Annunaki themselves.

Its as if the Annunaki have engineered the human race to aspire to their 'creators' very own primary characteristics. Those humans with the strongest of these traits will 'achieve' more.

Those humans with stronger Annunaki genes, such as the bloodlineage, will probably have these strong negative traits simply through their very genes.

quite right. though i would also add, most humans possess these traits but not in great enough abundance to advance very far in the hierarchy. this is why Most who join the Masons, being average people, and possessed of an average measure of these traits (decent people as far as people go) remain in the lowest three degrees of masonry and know nothing of the reptilian masters. Only those much fewer who display great levels of these negative traits advance anywhere near that far.

[teslafire]

I think they have the same motives we do

http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11815

[seer74]

I think they have the same motives we do

http://davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11815

yeah, like FEAR.

[siliconpsychosis]

Am I correct in thinking that the negative energy source that resides in the 'bloodlines' escapes 'death' by continually transferring into new bodies when its current host body dies?

By doing so does the energy source escape death and the experience of facing up to all the negativity it has caused throughout its reincarnated lives?

Does ensuring the continuation of the bloodlines allow this source to 'switch' at the point of physical death - the alternative being assimilation with collective consciousness?

Is this sources' main motivation to avoid this inevitable confrontation with its past? An eternal journey to avoid reintegration with the collective consciousness?

If so then I agree that there primary motivator is fear - fear of experiencing all the negativity it has reaped in its entire history.

[seer74]

Am I correct in thinking that the negative energy source that resides in the 'bloodlines' escapes 'death' by continually transferring into new bodies when its current host body dies?

By doing so does the energy source escape death and the experience of facing up to all the negativity it has caused throughout its reincarnated lives?

Does ensuring the continuation of the bloodlines allow this source to 'switch' at the point of physical death - the alternative being assimilation with collective consciousness?

Is this sources' main motivation to avoid this inevitable confrontation with its past? An eternal journey to avoid reintegration with the collective consciousness?

If so then I agree that there primary motivator is fear - fear of experiencing all the negativity it has reaped in its entire history.

Yeah, sounds about right to me.

[siliconpsychosis]

Cheers Seer.

[seer74]

I am also inclined to suspect they fear merging with the infinite as a case of fearing the unknown. Thus useing humans to avoid that, and then yes generating more fear and negativity for which they fear faceing responsibility, compounding their state of fear and avoidance.

[Mo0n5tar]

Woghd wrote,

Masonry reveres nothing but their reptilian masters.


Absolute tosh, there is a tendency for uneducated people to persist with these ridiculous assumptions, your really no better than a christian lambasting an astrologer for occult devil worshipping.

I suggest you read some of the wealth of books out there written by freemasons and gain some understanding of the subject.:o

[seer74]

Absolute tosh, there is a tendency for uneducated people to persist with these ridiculous assumptions, your really no better than a christian lambasting an astrologer for occult devil worshipping.

I suggest you read some of the wealth of books out there written by freemasons and gain some understanding of the subject.:o

Masons revere all sorts of things, many of them the same things as the people on this forum

Masonry reveres power and wealth, makeing masons suckers and pawns of the reptilian masters

I'v read a LOT of Masonic literature BTW