What's so bad about a New World Order?

[peskykid]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

[betweentwoislands]

I don't feel like it. Someone else please.

[blackstar76]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

I sometimes ask myself that same question. But the other question I ask is why can't we end all those terrible things right now? Why do they need to have just one power and control structure to fix things? Surely they could end starvation and all other evils of the world right now if the people in power wanted too. The truth is for the people in power to remain rich there has to a large portion of the population that are poor. One cannot exist without the other.

Giving one group of people complete control of the world is not going to fix anything. They may end starvation to a certain point only because they will exterminate the majority of them. Same with the sick and elderly. Anyone who they deem to be a drain on the system. There will still be poor people. Everyone will be be at the bottom rung of freedom and income except for the choosen few who work for the people in power. No middle class and no freedoms. You will be told how to dress,eat,sleep,work and everything else.

Besides what if you end up with racist people in power. Over generations you will have given complete control to many evil people. Some may hate blacks,jews,gays and basically be repeat of Hilter. They will eradicate anything they see as unfit.

Do you really trust that this one power will be used for good? It won't. Even if it started out as positive it would not take long for corrupt,greedy control hungry humans to find their way into power and destroy it all.

[ninny]

nwo is about making nations and states become disappear. with that we will face a lot of NGOs which means corruption is automatically programmed more than before.

because every stupido can build a NGO.

we are in a big process of getting NGOs. and we already have even pedophile NGOs listed in NGO books. (i speak for germany)
and btw. we have the NWO. its only a matter of language that something like "state" or "nation" will disappear from spoken language. we wont live when this will happen. but it is happening right now. media is hardly working on it.

you dont have to ask yourself. watch out for politician students and what books they are reading. NWO is globalilsm. and there are 1000s of books about it. just read only 1 good about it. and you know theres something shitty coming to us and to future generations.

[nirvanix]

BECAUSE:

The people that are causing the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends ARE the ones calling for world government. If you think things are bad now, wait until they've got all the power.

This is not my conjecture, they have stated repeatedly that these are the means to their end.

[moving finger]

What's bad about the NWO and the belief that there is an all pervasive 'TPTB' manipulating it all towards their own ends, is that it nicely absolves people of any kind of blame for anything bad happening. War, hunger, inequality, pollution, overpopulation, climate change, it's all someone else's fault and all I have to do is blame them & not look to see what my behaviour might actually be contributing towards things.

Take control of your own lives and stop assuming someone else already has.

[sicknote]

This conspiracy has been running for over 2000 years now.

So much for a one-world government.

Not in our lifetime.

[heuer]

I think you should do more research before posting.

[vapor1zer]

Mass-Depopulation is on their Agenda...

Enough Reason for me to be against a NWO, even though there ARE a lot of People on this beautiful Earth...

[adramelech]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

Firstly, it's not a radical change. It's a slow progression that has taken place over a long period of time to avoid revolution.

Secondly, all of the negative things you mentioned are either a direct result or encouraged by the very group you want to "put an end to all this shit".

The logic you used in your post is the Hegelian dialectic in action. The problems are created and specifically crafted to cause this desired thought process.


What's bad about the NWO and the belief that there is an all pervasive 'TPTB' manipulating it all towards their own ends, is that it nicely absolves people of any kind of blame for anything bad happening. War, hunger, inequality, pollution, overpopulation, climate change, it's all someone else's fault and all I have to do is blame them & not look to see what my behaviour might actually be contributing towards things.

Take control of your own lives and stop assuming someone else already has.

Sheesh, are we really going to start victim blaming now? Some people are suffering so profoundly from Battered Wife/Stockholm Syndrome.

"Yes, I was raped and beaten, but what did I do to bring that on myself?"

Tragic really.

[wthree]

I really geuss this depends on what the NWO is according to your belief.

There are so many ideas about what the NWO is and what they want to do, then its really just up to you.

Personally, at its basic level, I would welcome a new world order. The current world order is flawed, and needs a radical change.

[ragnarok]

You wouldn't welcome any NWO implemented by those who already have hold of the reins of power.

[energi]

Firstly, it's not a radical change. It's a slow progression that has taken place over a long period of time to avoid revolution.

Secondly, all of the negative things you mentioned are either a direct result or encouraged by the very group you want to "put an end to all this shit".

The logic you used in your post is the Hegelian dialectic in action. The problems are created and specifically crafted to cause this desired thought process.




Sheesh, are we really going to start victim blaming now? Some people are suffering so profoundly from Battered Wife/Stockholm Syndrome.

"Yes, I was raped and beaten, but what did I do to bring that on myself?"

Tragic really.

+1

[nirvanix]

The NWO was a slow progression for a long time, maybe thousands of years, but they have really stepped things up recently and that's why we're waking up. Icke calls it the totalitarian sprint.

Reading a few of their books and doing some financial/political analysis will lead you very quickly to the conclusion that it's the same folks who are currently vacuuming up the wealth of the middle class, forcings wars, vaccines, and toxic food on us, and taking away the fundamental rights of a free humanity. They mean to achieve their aims in the next decade or so by the looks of it.

They are like ranchers and we are cattle. Like any smart rancher they got wealthy from managing the herd, but now they are rich and the cattle have become an impediment to enjoying 'their' earth. This is a very cold-blooded view of things, but that in effect is what we are dealing with. Remember what prince Philip said - that he'd like to reincarnate as a virus and wipe out 90% of the population.

[starschildren]

Because of the current idea of a NWO and who would be running the show. But with the current powers that be, and it practically being a global government (it all gets planned out, wars, starvation, genocides, etc...) the only thing they would have to offer in a NWO/global government is the public knowing about it.

[theqleaner]

I don't feel like it. Someone else please.

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[tzikin]

The danger of NWO is that it is basically a good idea to have a few international laws that prevent national governments from interfering, especially through violent means, with other countries which is what happened all of the time before the UN. It was really the UN that firmly fixed the international borders and not a lot has changed since except for internal struggles. If the UN had had more power and been freer from corruption, it may well have stopped the US invasion of Iraq.
There are also basic standards of human rights that can prevent national governments from going too far in their totalitarian agendas.
There is also the question of fair international trade.

Who can argue against that?

One of the problems with the UN is that it has not had the balls or power to restrict the actions of the US government and the US has been able to control it through third world debt.

The UN probably does need autonomy from national government. Elected members rather than appointed members would have this greater autonomy and freedom.

This is very much like disinformation. The need for world government is a half truth that polarises people into making it an all or nothing issue. The middle ground is that the UN should only be involved in a very small number of issues that mainly relate to international relations. Internal interference in sovereign affairs should be minimal and only in severe cases.

Just about everybody in the world would want that. On that basis, it would get voted in and people would not see that the aim was to go far beyond this and centralize all power at every level. It is already happening to some extent.

Perhaps the main fear is the influence that the US would have over corporate matters. If the US got its way in a world government, its corporate laws would be imposed and they have already been set up to allow corporate ownership of every type of natural resource, from water supply to patenting genes and seeds. This is already in progress.

However, if the world stood up to the US, a world government could actually limit the power of the US corporations both internationally and internally. The American NWO gamble would have failed.

A single world currency is a different matter. Firstly, it would not require a single world government for this to happen. It could happen in effect by countries simply pegging a fixed exchange rate with the Euro or dollar and few would understand what this meant. Attempts to converge currencies as happened in the EMF could cause that greatest economic crisis of all time. It could be used to cause global economic collapse and the instant transfer of ownership of a large amount of property to those bankers who had designed the crisis.

Both all and nothing are wrong. The right answer is somewhere in the middle.

[one666]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

What you have described is your new world order. Only i have the answer. http://one666.blogspot.com http://satanstable.blogspot.com

[one666]

Humans seem to worry alot. Some spend so much time worrying that they don't have enough time to solve the problems they worry about.

[kappy0405]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

The "people themselves"? Good idea. But "a group"? Yes, that is a very bad idea. In fact, that is the idea. Ironically, it's the group responsible for 2/3 of the population living at the starvation level, disparity between upper/middle/lower classes, the military industrial complex, most wars, famine, plague, & death, environmental degradation, encouraging racism & religious bigotry, etc. etc. that is pushing for the world government.

The #1 problem is the centralization of power, and it's pretty obvious that all forms of globalization currently leading towards the world government are anything but democratic or for/by the people.

[tzikin]

Democracy!

That is the problem.

It all sounds like such a very nice idea but the problem is that it hands power into the hands of the dangerously stupid lowest common denominator.

The concept of democracy is great but it requires education so that the voters have some sort of idea of what they are voting for, instead of voting for their religion, the biggest lies or the nicest smile.

There are two options as I see it. One is that everybody who votes must pass a test on basic economics, world geography, etc. They hand in the test and they hand in their vote. only if they pass the test does their vote count.

Perhaps then, politicians would be a little more interested in education.

The only other sane option for humanity, of course, would to make ME life long emperor of this planet because I am a know-it-all, megalomaniac motherfucker. :eek:

[theqleaner]

Why are so many people bothered by the idea of radical change? What's so bad about the idea of a Global Government? Just look at the world as it stands: two thirds of the population living at the starvation level, gross inequalities in income and wealth, massive military/industrial complexes, war, famine, plague and death; environmental degradation on an unbelievable scale; racism; religious intolerance; political repression; and the perversion of science for political rather than progressive ends. Is it such a bad idea if a group - or preferably the people themselves - put an end to all this shit?

..And Massive Lies And Distortions Of Information Globally, Especially Throughout The Main-Stream Media.. Take A Look At Worldometers (http://www.worldometers.info/) & The US Debt Clock (http://usdebtclock.org/), And The CIA World Fact Book (https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/index.html).. To Gain Some Perspectives.. Many Problems..

The "people themselves"? Good idea. But "a group"? Yes, that is a very bad idea. In fact, that is the idea. Ironically, it's the group responsible for 2/3 of the population living at the starvation level, disparity between upper/middle/lower classes, the military industrial complex, most wars, famine, plague, & death, environmental degradation, encouraging racism & religious bigotry, etc. etc. that is pushing for the world government.

That We Are Possibly Aware Of All Of These Problems, Doesn't Mean That We Are The Ones Responsible For Creating Them.. We Are Aware Of The Many Conflicts That Exist, However, In My Experience Throughout The Past 9 Years, Is That A Majority Of The Overall Population Of The World Is Very Ignorant To The Depth And Vastness Of All Of The Multitude Of Problems Facing The World, And Don't Have The Resources To Do Anything About It..

And I Also See A Duality Of The Illuminati And Perceptions Of The "New World Order".. There Are The Dis-Information Aspects That We Work To Correct, However, Recognize That *WE* Are Between Sovereign Governments, All With Different Laws And Economic Systems, Spiritual Beliefs, And Militaries, All Fighting Eachother Over Many Different Aspects Of Life.. My Ass Stands In The Middle, Wanting To Detonate A Nuclear Bomb To Get Everyone Away From Me, And Just End All Of The Problems.. And I Live Off Of Next To Nothing Money-Wise.. Money That May Exist Throughout Those Who Affiliate Themselves With The Illuminati, Are Doing So On Their Own.. The Governments Have Turned So Orwellian, That We Can't Move Money Around.. Shit, I've Been Homeless, And Broke, Picking Food Out Of Garbage Cans For The Past 7 Months..

But Getting Back To The Duality.. There Are So Many Issues That Have Illuminati Involvement.. However, In My Experience, From Reading David Icke, Alex Jones (http://www.prisonplanet.com/), Work On Concen.org (http://concen.org/), Some Other Forums, And Watching A Lot Of Documentaries.. YouTube, etc.. There Are VERY MANY MIS-STATEMENTS MADE CONSTANTLY ABOUT THE ILLUMINATI !! AND WHAT THE TRUE OBJECTIVES OF THE ORDER ARE.. THE TRUE FOUNDATIONS AND FUNDAMENTALS, THE PRINCIPLES BY WHICH WE OPERATE.. WHO WE WERE/ARE, AND WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO.. IF YOU REALIZE I'M TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS.. THIS IS BECAUSE I AM SPEAKING A BIT LOUDER.. DO YOU REALIZE THAT THE WORLD IS AT
WAR ??

WAR !!

The #1 problem is the centralization of power, and it's pretty obvious that all forms of globalization currently leading towards the world government are anything but democratic or for/by the people.

I Disagree.. First Off, To The Illuminati, Knowledge Is Power.. Money=Control.. Also, Demo-Crazy, As I And Steven Colbert and/or Jon Stewart Like To Refer To It, Doesn't Work.. Realistically, "The People" Are Far Too Ignorant At The Moment (Or Have Been), To Make Well-Informed Decisions For Even What To Eat For Dinner.. Let Alone, What Type Of Foreign Policy Country "A" Should Have With Country "B" Regarding Commodity "C".. Fuck 'Em.. Who The Fuck Cares.. Just Get The Shit Resolved.. We Have The Most Powerful Information Super-Highway Available With Encrypted Instant Communication Just About To Everywhere In The World, And Rapid Movement Of Information.. Democracy Is A Nice Concept, But Not Very Practical.. There's So Much That John Q. Public Doesn't Know, Doesn't Need To Know, Nor Cares To Know About.. This Is A Known Constant..

There's Also So Much Shit-Talk Everywhere.. So Many Accusations That Aren't Proved Or Provable.. The Alternative Media Is Just As Guilty In MY EYE As The Main-Stream Media Of Not Totally Verifying Their Sources 100% For Accuracy.. Neither Deliver Broadcasts That Are Void Of Speculation, Or Clarify What Is Speculation Verses What Isn't, And Clarify What Is 100% Provable.. The Media System -- Both Main-Stream And Alternative -- Are Both Spinning Shit In Different Directions Attempting To Sway Viewership And Opinions.. Me I Just Watch And Roll My Eyes And Yell At The Television.. And Think To Myself, When The Hell Are People Gonna Smarten Up.. Maybe All Of These Problems Could Be Fixed..

My Belief Is, And Has Been For Many Years, That A One World Government System Is Certainly Viable, And Also Necessary If The Planet Is Going To Survive For Another Day Or Two, At Least.. It's The Only Path Towards A Peaceful World.. Eliminate All Standing Governments And Belief Systems.. Obliterate Everything.. And Start New.. Start With The Truth.. And Work From There..

Anyway, That's It For Now.. I'm Moving On To Some Other Work..

L8Rz..

TQ.

[4wheelin_fool]

The New World Order is planned to be brought about by the same people who are "trying to stop it".

The Freemasons have organized the American Tea Party to cause a collapse of the US Government. They have taken the bait and are arrogant enough to believe that they have the authority to do so.

"I am the beginning and I am the end" is being applied to America in the form of the Tea Party which is the inverse of the original one. America has always been "the world's policeman" because they were working under the guise of helping small countries, so the world embraced it. However it has turned into religious world domination instigated by the Republican party.

During the presidental transition from the Bush administration, Obama was shown a video about "Top Secret" plans, which untimately placed him under involuntary hypnosis. The Oval office is now being run on "auto pilot", and alternately being remotely controlled by the Skull and Bones, who are giving Obama signals, directing him.

Originally freemasonry was made of good men, but since 1989 they have been running "tests" to see who will take the wrong bait. The very fact that they are doing this indicates that they, themselves have taken the wrong bait. One the worlds policeman falls, "a new order of hierchy" will emerge. Since they cannot stop the train, they have sped it up, and plan to crash it.

[nirvanix]

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My Belief Is, And Has Been For Many Years, That A One World Government System Is Certainly Viable, And Also Necessary If The Planet Is Going To Survive For Another Day Or Two, At Least.. It's The Only Path Towards A Peaceful World.. Eliminate All Standing Governments And Belief Systems.. Obliterate Everything.. And Start New.. Start With The Truth.. And Work From There..
TQ.

You unfortunately are what's known as a useful idiot. You honestly think that a one-world government in the hands of a few will do the trick? How do you escape tyranny when there are no borders? A one-world government will not work on this planet for many hundreds or even thousands of years because humanity is not evolved enough to avoid the pitfalls of government, and if we were we would choose a NO-WORLD government because it's a better solution. In the interim it's better to have smaller governments with less power because they are more accountable. You are naive enough to buy the illuminist BS that countries will naturally want to war with each other but in fact they always have to be led to war by the people with a vested interest.

[theqleaner]

You unfortunately are what's known as a useful idiot. You honestly think that a one-world government in the hands of a few will do the trick? How do you escape tyranny when there are no borders? A one-world government will not work on this planet for many hundreds or even thousands of years because humanity is not evolved enough to avoid the pitfalls of government, and if we were we would choose a NO-WORLD government because it's a better solution. In the interim it's better to have smaller governments with less power because they are more accountable. You are naive enough to buy the illuminist BS that countries will naturally want to war with each other but in fact they always have to be led to war by the people with a vested interest.

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