Victims true story of the Evil Freemasons

[secondfamilyuk]

SECOND FAMILY UK (We are all victims of Freemasonry) No 20.... 2007 Here is a tiny fraction of Joe Stirling’s Story www.secondfamily-uk.com

301 - I rented a unit (on a shoestring) so that I could teach building trades. One of the first bookings was a middle class person who was linked to the FMs via a riding school. After investigation, this person wanted to bring a friend (unknown to me, this person was a health & safety officer) I would have been closed down that week as I didn’t have the funds to set it all up properly, which the Masons knew. I called this person to cancel the booking (due to imaginary problems). I can’t imagine them clearing drains.

302 - This man X is a FM coordinator of psychological persecution and FM theatre. This criminal FM actually believes he is a good respectable member of the community, a man with credibility. He is even in a Residents Association (affluent area). This man and his accomplices are responsible for pure evil, they even used their young children to participate. Lot’s more.

303 - Freemason’s Theatre. Yes, that’s right, this evil actually stages real life events that would look normal to the untrained eye. They are in fact stealthily persecuting a chosen victim and only the target and the masons know what is happening. SF can blow you away with evidence. Masons are the ultimate criminal cowards. Lots more

304 - To any person or Mason who disputes any part of this story. I will sit and talk to any camera. I will take any lie detector test or even the truth drug (even though it has serious side effects) along side any of my enquirers/perpetrators. Come on Masons.

305 - This guy attacked me with a pool que in a London pub for no reason. He kept lifting the black ball (Masonic symbol) and threw it at me twice. I believe this to be another FM set up as it was unprovoked. It was in the Red Lion pub (the Lion is a Masonic symbol). I did not know about Freemasonry at this time, but research brings out lots of truths.

306 - FMs mostly wear skipcaps (baseball style cap) especially when they are out persecuting a victim. This is also a way for them to recognise each other. It is also a disguise and they will swap caps. They will wear them with dark glasses even on cloudy days. When you see old guys wearing them, it’s not because they are being fashionable. Investigate further by the skipcap, his car reg, his house number, his associates, pub/club/garage he uses, etc. Also engagements, weddings and esp. funerals. Lots more.

307 - One summers evening, I was out in a field with my dog (running free) Our dog is a trained family pet, not a trained guard dog. While I was talking on the mobile, an aggressive dog came charging to our dog and immediately after that another dog (Pit Bull Terrier) came to join in. Fortunately they all started to play. This was a FM set - up. The Pit Bull did not have a collar on, so nobody could stop it if their plan worked. This was FM theatre. More.

308 - Here is another FM dog incident. I had just taken the lead off our dog in a safe place. Then this Irish Wolfhound came charging towards us. It was really aggressive and not the sort of dog you would let near other dogs. Nobody would let that dog off it’s lead. Luckily our dog was not phased and returned the aggression to sort it out. The guy came to get his dog and I had a go at him. I also recognised him, but he said we hadn’t met before (Oh, yes we definitely did).

309 - Because of the constant persecution I used to change my vehicle every six months to try to stay ahead of my persecutors. I also changed my appearance regularly. I had spent many years trying to fight an invisible enemy. I thought I had upset a rich family. SF member asked me if I thought I was part of an experiment ? Thinking back, yes, very possible. I did not know about the evil Masons at that time. FMs are always defending the indefensible. We keep getting told there are good Masons out there. Please stop the bullshit that Freemasonry is a good charitable fraternity of men. It’s no less than a criminal organisation. (Read on)

310 - I am presenting you with a tiny part of my story. Now you have to ask the good journalist why they don’t come and talk to me or this victims group. We have sent this (and lots of other items to them) to every MP and Newspaper in the UK. You don’t have to be very clever to realise that they ALL know about it or are part of it. We, the people are SICK TO DEATH of the Lies, Injustice and Corruption. Freemasonry is out of control. It has to stop or no future for the planet and it’s contents. (seriously)

311 - Because I kept changing my vehicles, appearance and movements. The FMs would always send somebody that knew me and like a trusting ignorant fool, I used to say hello and have a chat thinking this was a chance encounter. I did not know this is how the evil FMs work. Dozens of incidents, all documented. Fact... Freemasonry infects everything it comes into contact with.

312 - The FMs have been bullying and persecuting me for decades. They have destroyed everything that I ever started, including friendships, businesses and any credibility. Like most FM victims, I don’t know why I’m on this Freemasons Register Of Revenge

(SF member says it’s called Point Of Polaris). Or I’m bait for the FM training (and to show members what will happen to them if) Anyway, they have made it clear that I am on it for life. Evil FMs leave you with two choices, you can hide behind the sofa and they will get you or you can fight back (as SF does) and they will still get you. So, fight we victims must. I must add that Second Family are very, very satisfied with our fight back (with lots more to come), as you will read. Second Family will do everything we can to expose this LEGAL gang of criminals. They are shafting ignorant victims every day in their courts by their judiciary.

313 - Our family managed to do a house exchange from London to Milngavie (pronounced Millguy) near Glasgow in 1990. I had no idea it should have been called Masonic Millguy as I was in the middle of the stew that the crooked evil FMs were cooking. This is an affluent area and if the law was applied that criminals should have their assets seized, this place would be a ghost town.

314 - One dark damp evening, I was working on my vehicle and this stranger comes over to me. He was very paranoid and started to make out he had mental health problems and came aggressively towards me with his hand inside his coat. He only stopped because I had a hammer in my hand and told him to eff off. He knew I was no mug and staggered away, obviously on drugs. This was a serious dangerous situation. This guy meant business, I now know it was a FM set-up and can prove it. Local FMs involved. This is a rural location and a low crime area. Don’t forget the Mason’s all seeing eye in Masonic Millguy. Lots more.

315 - I am a veteran victim of the Masons. I am part of a victim’s group (SF). We are rapidly learning about Masonic practices and symbols. We know that the obelisk is an Illuminati/Masonic symbol (check online). They have put one right outside the local Masonic Lodge (house of corruption) in Masonic Millguy. Now, the locals (non-Masons) were probably told it was a monument to the West Highland Way (a 100 mile walk/hike). Pull the other trouser leg up. Wait till the locals find out the truth.

316 - Driving on a journey with my wife and young kids. We were looking forward to our holiday when our car went out of control. We shot across other traffic at more than 60 MPH and nearly got hit by a juggernaut before coming to a stop. Definite foul play. Bolts loose, etc. Similar stories (vehicle problems) like this is common within the group. Lot’s more

317 - We’re a dog family and I had no idea that some dog walkers that are talking to me are two people. One is the person they used to be and the one thats left is working for the Masons. Pure evil. They are so over - friendly and nice. You don’t notice that they are getting nosy and asking inappropriate questions. (Not just dog -walkers, they could be anywhere) They prefer to listen. They are also checking your mood to see if their persecution is working (or use the information to persecute you further) All this is reported back to the houses of corruption (the Masonic Lodges) Just wait till you read the documentation on theses freaks.

318 - Another holiday for our family. We only got the first two hours away and the car broke down. When we got towed home (and the holiday totally ruined) One of our friends spotted "grinding paste" ? I didn’t know much about mechanics then or FMs. But I have since found out it’s deliberate sabotage used frequently by FMs and it seizes the engine. The only reason they get away with it is because the general public don’t know about Masons. Never be intimidated by these FM losers. Every dog has his day.

319 - We put in to buy our council house and our mortgage advice agent leaned on us heavily to sign on the line before our insurance and medical records came through. My wife said no chance, she knew we would have lost everything. Anyway, things were not right and we decided to pull out of buying (thank you god) the house. I found out this agent is a Mason, he is still persecuting me. These FM freaks just love to rub salt in. All documented beautifully. (Become your own detective)

320 - Social Work/NHS Masons. My son was diagnosed as having Aspergers Syndrome (Autism). He was the first person in Scotland to be diagnosed. This was a mega-problem as they did not have a pigeon hole (placement) to put him in. This takes us to another huge story on the Masons within Social Work and the NHS. It also exposes how the Mason’s charities work and more.

321 - We the people are SICK TO DEATH of the Lies, Injustice and Corruption. See my story (part 13) on how to stop the Secret Societies from destroying our society. If you are a Mason, you have been conned and used. All FM servants are expendable.A Mason is a person who knowingly destroys peoples lives for self gain. Masons should top being selfish fools/tools for The Illuminati/Bankers/Oil Barons/ World’s Richest Families. You are helping them to control the future. We are all victims of FMry.

322 - Me and my family seriously need protection immediately. I have written to the Masons within Strathclyde Police HQ and SOCA for protection. Their reply was comical and insulting. To us victims, this makes it very clear that Freemasonry is a criminal organisation. Fact.... Masonic Law is above the law. Every Police Station in the UK is a Masonic Lodge.

323 - I’ve been FM watched and persecuted all of my life. Sometimes I think I’m just a rat in the Lab, or I’m bait for FM training (to let Masons know what will happen if ?) We will start to give you other members stories when you have digested this one. The answer.... Join SF or GOODEEZ, it’s run by genuine victims, life is simple, stop the masons and the elite will not have an army of eyes and ears that keeps their crooked empire in control. Get rid of the secret societies and give us transparency. Give us a public register of members (not a list of any other group, we do not know any other criminal network as powerful as the Freemasons).

324 witheld 325 - I really have put my life on the line for this story (through no fault of my own) but I would genuinely say sorry to those closet to me for the danger and emotions that I have put them through. This problem won’t go away, I have to get this story out as they have definitely got to me. I recently attempted suicide. Made me much stronger. FMs can get into your property in minutes, this is common knowledge and has happened to me on many occasions. They don’t steal, they just play psychological games or the electrical items just don’t work anymore. lots of victims evidence. If you have a story, try not to waste valuable time with low level masons, just concentrate on the bigger picture and gather evidence. Document your case and have proof. If it’s verbal, it didn’t happen. The FMs will use any company utility vehicle like British Gas, BT, emergency services etc as an invisible tool to watch or harass targets. Lets get rid of these Masonic Cuckoos. Repeat, get rid of the Masonic Cuckoos. Repeat, get rid of

326 - Some postings you should search for online. "Fighting The Masons For Our FR33DOM" or "Freemasonry Is A Criminal Organisation" or "Freemasons Are The Ultimate Cowards" or "Joe Stirling" or "VOACS" and follow your journey to the truth.

www.secondfamily-uk.com www.ljpr.info www.sacl.info www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm www.surveillanceissues.com

Try not to waste time online, get focused now. Please feel free to copy this story/information to all. Your future depends on it

327 - There’s a lot of Scots in the English parliament. Haven’t you guys sussed it out yet ? Scotland is totally FM infested and they are the FM place-men. Everyone should question authority to ask if any of them are a Masons (this is your right, thats why you pay tax) whether barrister, prime minister, police, military, lawyer, social work, NHS, roadsweeper, etc, all jobs for the boys and no proper qualifications. Do not believe the crap in the Media. Even their journalists can’t come out with the truth otherwise the FMs will pick on them. That’s why you never read anything bad about the evil FMs. I don’t believe in boundaries, all elite invented.

328 - I spent fifteen years taking my two sons (now aged 27 and 30) fishing and camping. We used to take of their pals. Some are FMs (didn’t know at that time). I kept diaries. Our house had the best New Year parties and brilliant outdoor weekends. Treated them like our own, you should see the photo’s/videos. Didn’t know about the ulterior motives. We’re working on stories and as we get stronger as a group, we get more results. Modern technology is excellent and is as good for us as it is for the Masons.

329 - We all seem to think people care, nobody cares. That’s why we are in this mess together. YOU had better start to care about what’s happening, or we all go down together. I love the great outdoors and I seriously can’t tell the difference between the sheep and the people. FMs are above the law. How come the FMs have a phone number to ring if they get into trouble? Not for sheople.

330 - The Masons within the Police Force are the purveyors of extreme evil. They can and do control all of our communications, our emails, our phones and our snail-mail (royal mail). I have done dozens of tests to confirm this practice. I must have been the poorest emergency plumber (registered with the IPHE and good at my job) in the UK. I was spending £8k with Sellow Pages (FM company) and the phones were strangely quiet. I can prove that the FMs controlled 90% of my jobs and enquiries. The FMs within the authorities can divert your calls to anonymous answerphones (using your answerphone message) or the call will just ring out, even though your answerphone was on (check online for Malcolm Kennedy). My house is bugged, my car, van is bugged. They even track me while I am out with my dog, they use GPS on my dogs microchip (dozens of tests done). I wrote to Strathclyde Police HQ to ask if they had been tracing me or my families calls/mobiles/landline/vehicles/electronic images, etc. They wrote back to say they could not confirm or deny ? I am not a criminal or a terrorist. But I am a victim of a legal gang called The Criminal Freemasons. I can go nowhere without their company, test me, anytime. Don’t worry they will not hurt you, the last thing Freemasonry needs is more negative press. But, they will try a car accident ? or beware of the NHS. This is Freemasons territory.

331 - Freemasons will ostracise (isolate) you. They were your pretend friend anyway. They do it to their victims and other Masons who have left this bunch of crooks. They make you a prisoner in your own home, just like me. We badly need protection.

332 - We have affiliated our group to some similar groups in the USA. Unfortunately the Americans think it’s all sorts of agencies and government departments thats doing the persecution. Yes, they’re right, but it’s the Masons within these departments. A lot of Americans have been hypnotised into thinking the FMs are good. That’s what evil hides behind, "good". To understand Freemasonry you have to understand there is the Outer Organisation (which is perceived to be good) and the Inner Organisation which is undiluted evil. Lower Masons believe there is nothing above the Third Degree Masons. Checkout online for Bill Schnoebelen, he’s an American/Canadian ex - Mason who reached the 90th degree. Also checkout Mike Restivo’s story (USA).

333 - I have an idea. Let’s start a secret society called "GOODEEZ" and work just like the Masons. The only difference is that GOODEEZ is transparent and has no ulterior motives. It will be run by victims of this corrupt society so that we can use our expertise to stop any wrong doing. We will add this group to our already established Second Family victims group. It’s free.

Anyone want to join/help/support us ? Or you can look back in history when you had your last chance of FR33DOM. (serious)

334 - We at SF have already revealed the FMs favourite/symbolic numbers (online) that they use in their Vehicle reg’s, phone numbers and house numbers. We kinda wondered how many crooked FMs have changed their numbers since this expose ?

335 - I recently attemped suicide. My statement "Not because of family domestics/paranoia/depression or cry for help" I done it because I know the truth and nobody was listening. I also know that if nobody listens then there is no one to help. I’m stuck with this FM persecution for life (wish I knew who or why these FM freaks put me on their revenge register). Anyway, I decided to try to bring a bit of FM exposure by tying the knife to two balloons. I knew the balloons would get carried away with the tide (no evidence)and they would find my body with a slit throat. The Doctor said I was half a centimeter away from my aorta. Just to rub salt into my wound, we were stopped by the FM Police on the way back from the hospital. Evil bastard gave me a half smile. Do you think the suicide and blame was wrong ? I am already risking my life (so are other activists, some lost) for the ignorant masses.

336 - This is October 2007 and I’m still getting 24/7 FM persecution, I hope to live long enough to get this massive story out. Society needs this story badly. You can bring down Freemasonry just by investigating this and other victims stories. I will not write about the things I can’t prove. Ideally, it would be better to try these crooks in front of an independent court/audience. (+cameras)

337 - Charity. Here’s another Freemason’s Myth. Their Masonic media say they give lots to charity ???? Yes, to Masonic charities. It is a self perpetuating money spinner. You see, the Illuminati own the Media and everything you see, read or hear comes from their point of view. So, when they tell you they are a wonderful charitable fraternity of men (Yes mate, was that a rasperry or flatulence ? still stinks). Have you got it yet ? Incidentally, I’m entitled to feel angry, 35 years of persecution and still counting.

When is the penny going to drop for you ? You just don’t get it, do you ? Your comfort zone cannot last. You have to be an idiot to think this problem will go away. You’d better start fighting today or sit and wait for the remote controlled planes, too late ? 9/11

337 - Local guy in professional job meets up with me (off duty ?) and befriends me. I had recocnised him as a FM perp. This is what the FMs do, they try to make out everything is normal. We walked the dogs up to where he hadn’t been since he was a kid. You wouldn’t have a clue that this evil was wanting close to my conversation and feelings so that he could run back to the lodge. This guy also watched some of his accomplices who double park on a bend (stick with me) to dish out more FM persecution.

This person would use the works vehicle and fellow Masons to further psychologically persecute me. I’d love to ask this freak about how confident he was, knowing his pretend brothers were there to be his witness, should anything go wrong. More

338 - Another young FM terrorist within the community. Sent to persecute me in summer 200? Got all the info here, dates times reg’s and description or was it a photo? Needs further investigation, he’s young and will spend a lifetime doing the same to FM victims. Remember that when we produce the evidence, we don’t have to prove nothing, we just locate and film/follow him doing his persecution to other FM victims. Also track his future missions/lodge/accomplices/coordinator, etc. (Petrie & Co, See part 11)

339 - Evil FM professional called me. Price was quoted and agreed. A good job done and this guy just refused to pay me. I could not afford to sue him. Another FM lawyer confident of the crooked gang behind him. These bastards abuse their power willy nilly.

340 - We are all over the internet asking for the top Masons to come forward to talk to us in front of live cameras and an independent audience. We contacted UGLE (United Grand Lodge Of England) GLOS (Grand Lodge Of Scotland) and the top Masons at Rosslyn Chapel, without reply ? This offer is still available. Are there any good Masons out there ? Hello ?

341 - Guy calls me and said his boss (MP) likes what I have put online and could I come to Manchester to pick up some cash for our victims group ? He said I could recognise him in a denim jacket with a white carnation on the lapel. So I checked online for "Masonic white carnation" and it came up as to be worn only in the lodge. I called him back to say I didn’t want Masonic egg on my face. He denied it and started getting a bit ... It’s OK Michael (that’s what he called himself) I recorded it for you. Lot’s more

342 - I recently found out my best mate of 35 years is an evil Mason (another horrible story). That got me right in the pit of the gut.

343 - I meet a guy who runs an injustice group who I think is a fellow victim. So like a fool I trust this guy and find out some months later he was a Mason and so was the injustice group This is how the Masons operate, to protect their plunder. Lots more

344 - My teeth were fine and no problems. I left my local dentist to register with a dentist who I thought was OK. He gave me three fillings and said I needed three more. Before I had the next three fillings done, I went straight back to my old dentist for a check up and they said everything’s fine, we’ll see you in six months ? I later found out this guy is a Crooked Freemason. He is still practicing. This evil should be investigated, there must be hundreds of his victims. Plus more being done every day.

345 - My eldest son suffers from Autism and we had a really bad time from social work and had no idea at that time about Freemasonry. These crooks played a major part in our family’s persecution. Large story of outrageous corruption. This evil uses those closest to you to persecute you. When it comes to money and following orders, Freemasonry knows no boundaries.

346 - The crooked FMs have a profile on everybody. You gave them this information through trust, ie doctors, police, councils DWP, etc. These crooks have placemen everywhere in every department you can think of. They know who to shaft and when.

347 - Dave ?effrey. This was the last person I trusted. This is pure evil. I spent two hours in my van telling this guy my story of Masonic persecution and we were both in tears. When we got out of the van, he gave me a long hug. This is a religious man who always talks about the (Big Man Upstairs) referring to God who will sort this evil out. Guess what, this bastard turned out to be a Freemason/Round Table member. Everything I told him went straight back to the lodge. I can still hear the Masons laughing.

349 - We lived in a Masonic Cul De Sac (called Watt Place, very symbolic to FMs) and can tell you hundreds of stories with back up (diaries +) including things stolen (this place is safe, you can leave your car doors open all the time) Also high number of slow punctures. My immediate neighbour was the brother of the top policeman in Strathclyde, both FMs. The Masons know when your house is empty, they have eyes n’ ears everywhere and they track our car and mobile phones (each of our phones). I can now clarify hundreds of incidents. I couldn’t understand how I got FM company as soon as I took my dogs out. (Peregrine Joe)

350 - Remember Gollum in (Lord Of The Rings) where he covers his ears and says "not listening, not listening" As long as the public keep covering their ears when you mention Freemasons, we’ve got no chance. Listen to us as a group of Masonic victims. You had better waken up, this will not go away and it’s going to get seriously worse. The Masons are the brainwashed foot-soldiers for The Illuminati (or call them Oil Barons, Bankers or world’s richest families) they are Mason’s puppet masters and they have a plan. It’s called the New World Order (or Global Government) and these brainwashed Masons WILL follow orders. If you know a Mason and you think they are lovely, wonderul people. Just ask yourself where you think their loyalties lie ? To you, the planet or the Brotherhood ? Stop reading this now and join/help/support SF. Do something or the evil FMs win.

351 - If you do not believe me or you think any of this story is fabricated, then I don’t have a problem to speak the truth to any videocam, lie detector or even truth drug (even though the truth drug has serious side effects). I can back up everything here and with evidence. Then we will present the next Second Family victim’s story. This is a tiny, tiny fraction of my story. Read online.

[chandrakavi]

leave only one thread with this name.

DELETE THE REST

I agree the masons are the worst.

[hogans]

wise up... why bother posting this everywhere?? only really need to post it once mate

[edelweiss pirate]

It's all true I can corroborate...

The only problem with that story is it focusses on fear.

You can beat them easily of you have no fear. They are cowards and they are bluffing.

If you go into fight expecting to lose then you have already lost before the guy even throws a punch, if however you go into that fight expecting to rip the opponent into tiny pieces and scatter him to the four winds... then half the victory is won before you even land a punch.

You have to tell your friends to feel powerful. They have to feel the power within them. The masonic bullying follows rules, they can only really bully you if you are receptive to it and spiritually insecure.

The entrance to your world can be closed. Become More then they. They are not equal to you, they are not worthy to even look into your eyes.

I used to get bullied but these days they keep well away and if and when I do see one, I can make them lose their minds quite easily. More often though they avoid eye contact with me at all costs because I can do their dead soul minds serious damage.

Their puppets on a string.. start pulling their strings yourself.

Thanks for posting that secondfamily...

It's good it know I'm not the only one who spouts this incredible and far-out stuff.

PS I love this idea:

333 - I have an idea. Let’s start a secret society called "GOODEEZ" and work just like the Masons. The only difference is that GOODEEZ is transparent and has no ulterior motives. It will be run by victims of this corrupt society so that we can use our expertise to stop any wrong doing. We will add this group to our already established Second Family victims group. It’s free.

[edelweiss pirate]

As a new forum project I suggest we declare open war on the masons and actively concentrate on and visualise their total destruction, on an individual and organisational level.

Anyone got any serious psychic power out there... fancy a rumble?

I know I do... Why are we letting these fucks get away with it... lets give 'em a taste of the new medicine.

Right now I'm priming up a 1000 megaton nuclear fucking mind bomb that I am just itching to plant in those fuckers' stinking little hive.....

My finger's on the button... anyone with me?

[majicdragon]

You fucking right I'm right here. I read this story and were these peoples only hope.

I'll help to build the psychic BOMB.

let's do this one out of pure hate shall we?

This is something I'm ready for.

Describe the target... Listen, let's be kind of specific... so we can see results.

I know we can do this. It's called RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION! IT'S GOD'S ANGER> we are the medium.

[majicdragon]

Lets Be The Message!

Well maybe you're not so serious... I'm going after Bush's health. He made his bed.

I want to do something where I can see results. After it works and he gets ill it's not as if they will trace it to me.

But you'll suspect. Then we can do others, announcing in advance (believe) and soon they'll suspect... Then they'll know.

Pm me when you have a specific target otherwise I'm on Bush till then.

I'll stop when he gets coverage for being ill. (it's an experiment and not yet an extermination plan)


Authorities, remember, to you this is make believe. To you I'm not well. To you it's not possible what I speak.

Illuminati, know, to me all things are possible.


OK first Bush for going along. For being a mouthpiece for the bad guys. For affecting my life with your evil.

PRAY THIS WORKS. IF IT DOES< WE'LL TRY THREE OTHER THINGS. IF THEY WORK, WE'LL START A TRAINING COURSE.

[edelweiss pirate]

You fucking right I'm right here. I read this story and were these peoples only hope.

I'll help to build the psychic BOMB.

let's do this one out of pure hate shall we?

This is something I'm ready for.

Describe the target... Listen, let's be kind of specific... so we can see results.

I know we can do this. It's called RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION! IT'S GOD'S ANGER> we are the medium.


That's the ticket.

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Start by visualising the destruction of their symbols.
Like smashing up the all seeing eye of their control pyramid and letting the real power and authority take control. The power of good/God.

[majicdragon]

I'm all over it. Im even angry that this made me angry...

I'm still angry enough to crush a skull from 322 thousand miles away.

[majicdragon]

That's the ticket.

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Start by visualising the destruction of their symbols.
Like smashing up the all seeing eye of their control pyramid and letting the real power and authority take control. The power of good/God.

I know these secretive people. They hold power, but not over anything real.

[majicdragon]

I'm going to focus on getting them into the news and from there into a really tight spot they won't be able to wriggle from. The beginning of the end for them.


Something along the lines of the lower order members not being able to be members anymore because of not wanting to associate.


Something big that we don't even know. Intention. A SCANDAL!

A SCANDAL EXPOSED IN THE NATIONAL MEDIA inadvertently at first... then once out, too interesting to be taken off air, and too noticeable if they do.

this is my intention. And this is it for the day. I'll just do this till I sleep in as many ways as come to me. and I'll post here first when I wake.

How do you like that... .

Remember this is all for fun... because it's fun to find new and creative ways to fight an enemy. And fun or no fun... this is real. It's the war in heaven. It just got a new soldier.

whoo haa! master chief!

I'm going to go to bed reading more from your site

I'll also pray about this whole thing.

[edelweiss pirate]

Great stuff mate....

Lookfar said she was going to move the Brand New Forum Experiment thread to the General forum. It'd be cool if you could post to that to give it a bit more WHOOARRR! if you know what I mean....

I'm gonna echo your thoughts on what you want to manifest... it'd be cool to imagine the same manifestation coming from at least two different directions... kinda like wave reinforcement, harmonic resonance and all that. A very powerful force in nature and thoughts ARE waves.

[mcmenek1]

333 - I have an idea. Let’s start a secret society called "GOODEEZ" and work just like the Masons. The only difference is that GOODEEZ is transparent and has no ulterior motives. It will be run by victims of this corrupt society so that we can use our expertise to stop any wrong doing. We will add this group to our already established Second Family victims group. It’s free.


Hi secondfamilyuk,

Thats amazing the number 333 is a female vibration number and the female vibration is the very vibration that the Freemasons are deliberately suppressing in this dimension to throw us and the earth out of balance and harmony......

in vibration like attracts like so thoughts, ideas, and numbers of a similar vibration frequency attract one another...... how appropriate it is then that the number vibration 333 attached itself to this idea of yours which is the very opposite to what the Freemasons stand for and one which they would utterly detest......

The Freemason power is built upon the male vibration 666 and they constantly suppress the female vibration 333 because the female vibration balances out the male vibration to create the vibration of 999 which is the balancing vibration frequency that runs through the 3rd dimension of duality......

The high level freemasons understand how the 3rd dimension of duality works and they are manipulating the vibration frequencies of the 3rd dimension to cut us off from a higher conscious wave length, when we are cut off from a higher conscious wave length we are very easy to control and manipulate.....

Great idea thanks for posting........:)

Love
&
Peace

[revelations]

;) bookmark. ill read this later.

[adzboarder]

Bookmark 2 (The second bookmark) ;)

[majicdragon]

there is a forum intention thread inspired by this thread which is attempting to sling psychic hatred at the freemason base of world control. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14115

[kuro]

This is disgusting. I've also found out there's a masonic lodge/temple near where i live!

[celtic isis]

there is a forum intention thread inspired by this thread which is attempting to sling psychic hatred at the freemason base of world control. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14115

i'm all for this guys but don't sling hatred at my OH PLEEEASE lol he's a good'un trying to fight from within!!!!!

[celtic isis]

SECOND FAMILY UK (We are all victims of Freemasonry) No 20.... 2007 Here is a tiny fraction of Joe Stirling’s Story www.secondfamily-uk.com

301 - I rented a unit (on a shoestring) so that I could teach building trades. One of the first bookings was a middle class person who was linked to the FMs via a riding school. After investigation, this person wanted to bring a friend (unknown to me, this person was a health & safety officer) I would have been closed down that week as I didn’t have the funds to set it all up properly, which the Masons knew. I called this person to cancel the booking (due to imaginary problems). I can’t imagine them clearing drains.

302 - This man X is a FM coordinator of psychological persecution and FM theatre. This criminal FM actually believes he is a good respectable member of the community, a man with credibility. He is even in a Residents Association (affluent area). This man and his accomplices are responsible for pure evil, they even used their young children to participate. Lot’s more.

303 - Freemason’s Theatre. Yes, that’s right, this evil actually stages real life events that would look normal to the untrained eye. They are in fact stealthily persecuting a chosen victim and only the target and the masons know what is happening. SF can blow you away with evidence. Masons are the ultimate criminal cowards. Lots more

304 - To any person or Mason who disputes any part of this story. I will sit and talk to any camera. I will take any lie detector test or even the truth drug (even though it has serious side effects) along side any of my enquirers/perpetrators. Come on Masons.

305 - This guy attacked me with a pool que in a London pub for no reason. He kept lifting the black ball (Masonic symbol) and threw it at me twice. I believe this to be another FM set up as it was unprovoked. It was in the Red Lion pub (the Lion is a Masonic symbol). I did not know about Freemasonry at this time, but research brings out lots of truths.

306 - FMs mostly wear skipcaps (baseball style cap) especially when they are out persecuting a victim. This is also a way for them to recognise each other. It is also a disguise and they will swap caps. They will wear them with dark glasses even on cloudy days. When you see old guys wearing them, it’s not because they are being fashionable. Investigate further by the skipcap, his car reg, his house number, his associates, pub/club/garage he uses, etc. Also engagements, weddings and esp. funerals. Lots more.

307 - One summers evening, I was out in a field with my dog (running free) Our dog is a trained family pet, not a trained guard dog. While I was talking on the mobile, an aggressive dog came charging to our dog and immediately after that another dog (Pit Bull Terrier) came to join in. Fortunately they all started to play. This was a FM set - up. The Pit Bull did not have a collar on, so nobody could stop it if their plan worked. This was FM theatre. More.

308 - Here is another FM dog incident. I had just taken the lead off our dog in a safe place. Then this Irish Wolfhound came charging towards us. It was really aggressive and not the sort of dog you would let near other dogs. Nobody would let that dog off it’s lead. Luckily our dog was not phased and returned the aggression to sort it out. The guy came to get his dog and I had a go at him. I also recognised him, but he said we hadn’t met before (Oh, yes we definitely did).

309 - Because of the constant persecution I used to change my vehicle every six months to try to stay ahead of my persecutors. I also changed my appearance regularly. I had spent many years trying to fight an invisible enemy. I thought I had upset a rich family. SF member asked me if I thought I was part of an experiment ? Thinking back, yes, very possible. I did not know about the evil Masons at that time. FMs are always defending the indefensible. We keep getting told there are good Masons out there. Please stop the bullshit that Freemasonry is a good charitable fraternity of men. It’s no less than a criminal organisation. (Read on)

310 - I am presenting you with a tiny part of my story. Now you have to ask the good journalist why they don’t come and talk to me or this victims group. We have sent this (and lots of other items to them) to every MP and Newspaper in the UK. You don’t have to be very clever to realise that they ALL know about it or are part of it. We, the people are SICK TO DEATH of the Lies, Injustice and Corruption. Freemasonry is out of control. It has to stop or no future for the planet and it’s contents. (seriously)

311 - Because I kept changing my vehicles, appearance and movements. The FMs would always send somebody that knew me and like a trusting ignorant fool, I used to say hello and have a chat thinking this was a chance encounter. I did not know this is how the evil FMs work. Dozens of incidents, all documented. Fact... Freemasonry infects everything it comes into contact with.

312 - The FMs have been bullying and persecuting me for decades. They have destroyed everything that I ever started, including friendships, businesses and any credibility. Like most FM victims, I don’t know why I’m on this Freemasons Register Of Revenge

(SF member says it’s called Point Of Polaris). Or I’m bait for the FM training (and to show members what will happen to them if) Anyway, they have made it clear that I am on it for life. Evil FMs leave you with two choices, you can hide behind the sofa and they will get you or you can fight back (as SF does) and they will still get you. So, fight we victims must. I must add that Second Family are very, very satisfied with our fight back (with lots more to come), as you will read. Second Family will do everything we can to expose this LEGAL gang of criminals. They are shafting ignorant victims every day in their courts by their judiciary.

313 - Our family managed to do a house exchange from London to Milngavie (pronounced Millguy) near Glasgow in 1990. I had no idea it should have been called Masonic Millguy as I was in the middle of the stew that the crooked evil FMs were cooking. This is an affluent area and if the law was applied that criminals should have their assets seized, this place would be a ghost town.

314 - One dark damp evening, I was working on my vehicle and this stranger comes over to me. He was very paranoid and started to make out he had mental health problems and came aggressively towards me with his hand inside his coat. He only stopped because I had a hammer in my hand and told him to eff off. He knew I was no mug and staggered away, obviously on drugs. This was a serious dangerous situation. This guy meant business, I now know it was a FM set-up and can prove it. Local FMs involved. This is a rural location and a low crime area. Don’t forget the Mason’s all seeing eye in Masonic Millguy. Lots more.

315 - I am a veteran victim of the Masons. I am part of a victim’s group (SF). We are rapidly learning about Masonic practices and symbols. We know that the obelisk is an Illuminati/Masonic symbol (check online). They have put one right outside the local Masonic Lodge (house of corruption) in Masonic Millguy. Now, the locals (non-Masons) were probably told it was a monument to the West Highland Way (a 100 mile walk/hike). Pull the other trouser leg up. Wait till the locals find out the truth.

316 - Driving on a journey with my wife and young kids. We were looking forward to our holiday when our car went out of control. We shot across other traffic at more than 60 MPH and nearly got hit by a juggernaut before coming to a stop. Definite foul play. Bolts loose, etc. Similar stories (vehicle problems) like this is common within the group. Lot’s more

317 - We’re a dog family and I had no idea that some dog walkers that are talking to me are two people. One is the person they used to be and the one thats left is working for the Masons. Pure evil. They are so over - friendly and nice. You don’t notice that they are getting nosy and asking inappropriate questions. (Not just dog -walkers, they could be anywhere) They prefer to listen. They are also checking your mood to see if their persecution is working (or use the information to persecute you further) All this is reported back to the houses of corruption (the Masonic Lodges) Just wait till you read the documentation on theses freaks.

318 - Another holiday for our family. We only got the first two hours away and the car broke down. When we got towed home (and the holiday totally ruined) One of our friends spotted "grinding paste" ? I didn’t know much about mechanics then or FMs. But I have since found out it’s deliberate sabotage used frequently by FMs and it seizes the engine. The only reason they get away with it is because the general public don’t know about Masons. Never be intimidated by these FM losers. Every dog has his day.

319 - We put in to buy our council house and our mortgage advice agent leaned on us heavily to sign on the line before our insurance and medical records came through. My wife said no chance, she knew we would have lost everything. Anyway, things were not right and we decided to pull out of buying (thank you god) the house. I found out this agent is a Mason, he is still persecuting me. These FM freaks just love to rub salt in. All documented beautifully. (Become your own detective)

320 - Social Work/NHS Masons. My son was diagnosed as having Aspergers Syndrome (Autism). He was the first person in Scotland to be diagnosed. This was a mega-problem as they did not have a pigeon hole (placement) to put him in. This takes us to another huge story on the Masons within Social Work and the NHS. It also exposes how the Mason’s charities work and more.

321 - We the people are SICK TO DEATH of the Lies, Injustice and Corruption. See my story (part 13) on how to stop the Secret Societies from destroying our society. If you are a Mason, you have been conned and used. All FM servants are expendable.A Mason is a person who knowingly destroys peoples lives for self gain. Masons should top being selfish fools/tools for The Illuminati/Bankers/Oil Barons/ World’s Richest Families. You are helping them to control the future. We are all victims of FMry.

322 - Me and my family seriously need protection immediately. I have written to the Masons within Strathclyde Police HQ and SOCA for protection. Their reply was comical and insulting. To us victims, this makes it very clear that Freemasonry is a criminal organisation. Fact.... Masonic Law is above the law. Every Police Station in the UK is a Masonic Lodge.

323 - I’ve been FM watched and persecuted all of my life. Sometimes I think I’m just a rat in the Lab, or I’m bait for FM training (to let Masons know what will happen if ?) We will start to give you other members stories when you have digested this one. The answer.... Join SF or GOODEEZ, it’s run by genuine victims, life is simple, stop the masons and the elite will not have an army of eyes and ears that keeps their crooked empire in control. Get rid of the secret societies and give us transparency. Give us a public register of members (not a list of any other group, we do not know any other criminal network as powerful as the Freemasons).

324 witheld 325 - I really have put my life on the line for this story (through no fault of my own) but I would genuinely say sorry to those closet to me for the danger and emotions that I have put them through. This problem won’t go away, I have to get this story out as they have definitely got to me. I recently attempted suicide. Made me much stronger. FMs can get into your property in minutes, this is common knowledge and has happened to me on many occasions. They don’t steal, they just play psychological games or the electrical items just don’t work anymore. lots of victims evidence. If you have a story, try not to waste valuable time with low level masons, just concentrate on the bigger picture and gather evidence. Document your case and have proof. If it’s verbal, it didn’t happen. The FMs will use any company utility vehicle like British Gas, BT, emergency services etc as an invisible tool to watch or harass targets. Lets get rid of these Masonic Cuckoos. Repeat, get rid of the Masonic Cuckoos. Repeat, get rid of

326 - Some postings you should search for online. "Fighting The Masons For Our FR33DOM" or "Freemasonry Is A Criminal Organisation" or "Freemasons Are The Ultimate Cowards" or "Joe Stirling" or "VOACS" and follow your journey to the truth.

www.secondfamily-uk.com www.ljpr.info www.sacl.info www.bilderberg.org/masons.htm www.surveillanceissues.com

Try not to waste time online, get focused now. Please feel free to copy this story/information to all. Your future depends on it

327 - There’s a lot of Scots in the English parliament. Haven’t you guys sussed it out yet ? Scotland is totally FM infested and they are the FM place-men. Everyone should question authority to ask if any of them are a Masons (this is your right, thats why you pay tax) whether barrister, prime minister, police, military, lawyer, social work, NHS, roadsweeper, etc, all jobs for the boys and no proper qualifications. Do not believe the crap in the Media. Even their journalists can’t come out with the truth otherwise the FMs will pick on them. That’s why you never read anything bad about the evil FMs. I don’t believe in boundaries, all elite invented.

328 - I spent fifteen years taking my two sons (now aged 27 and 30) fishing and camping. We used to take of their pals. Some are FMs (didn’t know at that time). I kept diaries. Our house had the best New Year parties and brilliant outdoor weekends. Treated them like our own, you should see the photo’s/videos. Didn’t know about the ulterior motives. We’re working on stories and as we get stronger as a group, we get more results. Modern technology is excellent and is as good for us as it is for the Masons.

329 - We all seem to think people care, nobody cares. That’s why we are in this mess together. YOU had better start to care about what’s happening, or we all go down together. I love the great outdoors and I seriously can’t tell the difference between the sheep and the people. FMs are above the law. How come the FMs have a phone number to ring if they get into trouble? Not for sheople.

330 - The Masons within the Police Force are the purveyors of extreme evil. They can and do control all of our communications, our emails, our phones and our snail-mail (royal mail). I have done dozens of tests to confirm this practice. I must have been the poorest emergency plumber (registered with the IPHE and good at my job) in the UK. I was spending £8k with Sellow Pages (FM company) and the phones were strangely quiet. I can prove that the FMs controlled 90% of my jobs and enquiries. The FMs within the authorities can divert your calls to anonymous answerphones (using your answerphone message) or the call will just ring out, even though your answerphone was on (check online for Malcolm Kennedy). My house is bugged, my car, van is bugged. They even track me while I am out with my dog, they use GPS on my dogs microchip (dozens of tests done). I wrote to Strathclyde Police HQ to ask if they had been tracing me or my families calls/mobiles/landline/vehicles/electronic images, etc. They wrote back to say they could not confirm or deny ? I am not a criminal or a terrorist. But I am a victim of a legal gang called The Criminal Freemasons. I can go nowhere without their company, test me, anytime. Don’t worry they will not hurt you, the last thing Freemasonry needs is more negative press. But, they will try a car accident ? or beware of the NHS. This is Freemasons territory.

331 - Freemasons will ostracise (isolate) you. They were your pretend friend anyway. They do it to their victims and other Masons who have left this bunch of crooks. They make you a prisoner in your own home, just like me. We badly need protection.

332 - We have affiliated our group to some similar groups in the USA. Unfortunately the Americans think it’s all sorts of agencies and government departments thats doing the persecution. Yes, they’re right, but it’s the Masons within these departments. A lot of Americans have been hypnotised into thinking the FMs are good. That’s what evil hides behind, "good". To understand Freemasonry you have to understand there is the Outer Organisation (which is perceived to be good) and the Inner Organisation which is undiluted evil. Lower Masons believe there is nothing above the Third Degree Masons. Checkout online for Bill Schnoebelen, he’s an American/Canadian ex - Mason who reached the 90th degree. Also checkout Mike Restivo’s story (USA).

333 - I have an idea. Let’s start a secret society called "GOODEEZ" and work just like the Masons. The only difference is that GOODEEZ is transparent and has no ulterior motives. It will be run by victims of this corrupt society so that we can use our expertise to stop any wrong doing. We will add this group to our already established Second Family victims group. It’s free.

Anyone want to join/help/support us ? Or you can look back in history when you had your last chance of FR33DOM. (serious)

334 - We at SF have already revealed the FMs favourite/symbolic numbers (online) that they use in their Vehicle reg’s, phone numbers and house numbers. We kinda wondered how many crooked FMs have changed their numbers since this expose ?

335 - I recently attemped suicide. My statement "Not because of family domestics/paranoia/depression or cry for help" I done it because I know the truth and nobody was listening. I also know that if nobody listens then there is no one to help. I’m stuck with this FM persecution for life (wish I knew who or why these FM freaks put me on their revenge register). Anyway, I decided to try to bring a bit of FM exposure by tying the knife to two balloons. I knew the balloons would get carried away with the tide (no evidence)and they would find my body with a slit throat. The Doctor said I was half a centimeter away from my aorta. Just to rub salt into my wound, we were stopped by the FM Police on the way back from the hospital. Evil bastard gave me a half smile. Do you think the suicide and blame was wrong ? I am already risking my life (so are other activists, some lost) for the ignorant masses.

336 - This is October 2007 and I’m still getting 24/7 FM persecution, I hope to live long enough to get this massive story out. Society needs this story badly. You can bring down Freemasonry just by investigating this and other victims stories. I will not write about the things I can’t prove. Ideally, it would be better to try these crooks in front of an independent court/audience. (+cameras)

337 - Charity. Here’s another Freemason’s Myth. Their Masonic media say they give lots to charity ???? Yes, to Masonic charities. It is a self perpetuating money spinner. You see, the Illuminati own the Media and everything you see, read or hear comes from their point of view. So, when they tell you they are a wonderful charitable fraternity of men (Yes mate, was that a rasperry or flatulence ? still stinks). Have you got it yet ? Incidentally, I’m entitled to feel angry, 35 years of persecution and still counting.

When is the penny going to drop for you ? You just don’t get it, do you ? Your comfort zone cannot last. You have to be an idiot to think this problem will go away. You’d better start fighting today or sit and wait for the remote controlled planes, too late ? 9/11

337 - Local guy in professional job meets up with me (off duty ?) and befriends me. I had recocnised him as a FM perp. This is what the FMs do, they try to make out everything is normal. We walked the dogs up to where he hadn’t been since he was a kid. You wouldn’t have a clue that this evil was wanting close to my conversation and feelings so that he could run back to the lodge. This guy also watched some of his accomplices who double park on a bend (stick with me) to dish out more FM persecution.

This person would use the works vehicle and fellow Masons to further psychologically persecute me. I’d love to ask this freak about how confident he was, knowing his pretend brothers were there to be his witness, should anything go wrong. More

338 - Another young FM terrorist within the community. Sent to persecute me in summer 200? Got all the info here, dates times reg’s and description or was it a photo? Needs further investigation, he’s young and will spend a lifetime doing the same to FM victims. Remember that when we produce the evidence, we don’t have to prove nothing, we just locate and film/follow him doing his persecution to other FM victims. Also track his future missions/lodge/accomplices/coordinator, etc. (Petrie & Co, See part 11)

339 - Evil FM professional called me. Price was quoted and agreed. A good job done and this guy just refused to pay me. I could not afford to sue him. Another FM lawyer confident of the crooked gang behind him. These bastards abuse their power willy nilly.

340 - We are all over the internet asking for the top Masons to come forward to talk to us in front of live cameras and an independent audience. We contacted UGLE (United Grand Lodge Of England) GLOS (Grand Lodge Of Scotland) and the top Masons at Rosslyn Chapel, without reply ? This offer is still available. Are there any good Masons out there ? Hello ?

341 - Guy calls me and said his boss (MP) likes what I have put online and could I come to Manchester to pick up some cash for our victims group ? He said I could recognise him in a denim jacket with a white carnation on the lapel. So I checked online for "Masonic white carnation" and it came up as to be worn only in the lodge. I called him back to say I didn’t want Masonic egg on my face. He denied it and started getting a bit ... It’s OK Michael (that’s what he called himself) I recorded it for you. Lot’s more

342 - I recently found out my best mate of 35 years is an evil Mason (another horrible story). That got me right in the pit of the gut.

343 - I meet a guy who runs an injustice group who I think is a fellow victim. So like a fool I trust this guy and find out some months later he was a Mason and so was the injustice group This is how the Masons operate, to protect their plunder. Lots more

344 - My teeth were fine and no problems. I left my local dentist to register with a dentist who I thought was OK. He gave me three fillings and said I needed three more. Before I had the next three fillings done, I went straight back to my old dentist for a check up and they said everything’s fine, we’ll see you in six months ? I later found out this guy is a Crooked Freemason. He is still practicing. This evil should be investigated, there must be hundreds of his victims. Plus more being done every day.

345 - My eldest son suffers from Autism and we had a really bad time from social work and had no idea at that time about Freemasonry. These crooks played a major part in our family’s persecution. Large story of outrageous corruption. This evil uses those closest to you to persecute you. When it comes to money and following orders, Freemasonry knows no boundaries.

346 - The crooked FMs have a profile on everybody. You gave them this information through trust, ie doctors, police, councils DWP, etc. These crooks have placemen everywhere in every department you can think of. They know who to shaft and when.

347 - Dave ?effrey. This was the last person I trusted. This is pure evil. I spent two hours in my van telling this guy my story of Masonic persecution and we were both in tears. When we got out of the van, he gave me a long hug. This is a religious man who always talks about the (Big Man Upstairs) referring to God who will sort this evil out. Guess what, this bastard turned out to be a Freemason/Round Table member. Everything I told him went straight back to the lodge. I can still hear the Masons laughing.

349 - We lived in a Masonic Cul De Sac (called Watt Place, very symbolic to FMs) and can tell you hundreds of stories with back up (diaries +) including things stolen (this place is safe, you can leave your car doors open all the time) Also high number of slow punctures. My immediate neighbour was the brother of the top policeman in Strathclyde, both FMs. The Masons know when your house is empty, they have eyes n’ ears everywhere and they track our car and mobile phones (each of our phones). I can now clarify hundreds of incidents. I couldn’t understand how I got FM company as soon as I took my dogs out. (Peregrine Joe)

350 - Remember Gollum in (Lord Of The Rings) where he covers his ears and says "not listening, not listening" As long as the public keep covering their ears when you mention Freemasons, we’ve got no chance. Listen to us as a group of Masonic victims. You had better waken up, this will not go away and it’s going to get seriously worse. The Masons are the brainwashed foot-soldiers for The Illuminati (or call them Oil Barons, Bankers or world’s richest families) they are Mason’s puppet masters and they have a plan. It’s called the New World Order (or Global Government) and these brainwashed Masons WILL follow orders. If you know a Mason and you think they are lovely, wonderul people. Just ask yourself where you think their loyalties lie ? To you, the planet or the Brotherhood ? Stop reading this now and join/help/support SF. Do something or the evil FMs win.

351 - If you do not believe me or you think any of this story is fabricated, then I don’t have a problem to speak the truth to any videocam, lie detector or even truth drug (even though the truth drug has serious side effects). I can back up everything here and with evidence. Then we will present the next Second Family victim’s story. This is a tiny, tiny fraction of my story. Read online.

you're falling into the trap of it's a freemasonic conspiracy...it's NOT. They play a role but not THE role.

To be honest, i don't know what kind of freemasons/freemsaonry this is but it's ridiculous! I will look into it further but like...lol it's not like this!

:rolleyes: tut tut tut

i'm sure masons who ever come by this site they must be pissing their knickers that you're wasting your time and energies on this type of thing.

Look...most of the masons are there for the knowledge, they study the knowledge to gain enlightenment that's it. Then there will be paedos, and allthe usual perverted people who are members of all kinds of clubs/groups who are freemasons too with the image that gives to their fellow buddies...you can't bale all masons who say that all masons are evil that is more than rubbish and just pinning the blame on one group to make it simpler.

:rolleyes:

Masons i know don't persecute or annoy anyone, they are selfish people in fact, but only selfish in the sense that they want to go higher up for themselves and their family and they don't run around trying to recruit this bozo, that bozo, have any of you actually been to a mason meeting? i have.

i really don't know what the hell kind of crazy masons the above are! that site must be a christian dis info against masons thang.

[seer74]

First to those that say they have been harrassed or persecuted by the masons, I BELIEVE you. Even THOUGH I know masons who are really decent people. At the start of this thread it was asked that people stop saying this. I ask (as one who DOES want to expose the EVIL that is the true purpose of the Rite) that people stop saying that ALL masons are bad. The fact is that this demonstrably incorrect view is as great an obstacle to exposeing the truth as the claim that the Rite is totally good.

I have never been harassed in any way by a mason, and i have even debated the existance of the Luciferian Degrees with Masons who have refused to believe it. Not refused to admit it - refused to believe it. I am VERY perceptive and i know when someone i'm talking with knows more than they let on.

If you have been harrassed by low-level masons, its probably something personal, or else they have been led to believe they are soemhow defending the order (which they believe to be good). I can see those of their inner circles (who are indeed quiet nasty to be sure) wanting SOME outsiders to believe that all masons are bad; because when you go around saying that then when it is proven that the masses of masons really are just regular folks who would NEVER seek to enslave everyone or rule the world, (which IS proven on a daily basis) then all of us who seek to expose the work of the Luciferian Rites are made to look like fools. Much like Hitler claiming that "the Jews" were out to enslave the world made the effort to expose the Rothschilds for their very real involvement in world domination of which HE HIMSELF was a pawn seem less credible and the rantings of Anti-Semitism.(Note that Hitler also said "the Masons" (universally) worked for "the Jews")

again, i have known good masons who refuse to believe that the (much smaller) upper degrees were up to anything nefarious. I was also briefly acquainted with one who did come to realize it was true. He renounced Masonry, and confessed to me that "their leader is the Devil". Not sure what ever became of him, perhaps he's taken up "residence" at the bottom of the ocean!! There is one GOOD mason!! What if all the decent people in the lower degrees came to the same realization? The whole evil plot would come crashing down, thats what! How is THAT going to happen? Not by people accusing them of being in on things they have no witting parts in thats for sure. Like most things in this world you can't view the Rites of Masonry in black and white. That's exactly what the Illuminati want; it plays right into their hands.

[godhelpme]

hi, new here but not new to mr secondfamily. His victimisation post crops up in amny places, and i replied to it at the bilderberg site. i had all my replies and subsequent posts removed without reason lol.

in principle i am on his side, having been victimised by the freemasons for many years. Amongst other things i tried to point out to him that some of what he said was sensationalist and irrational, and may infact put off other victims who may perhaps have been of use in some collective. When my posts were deleted (secondfamily or joe stirling moderate on bilderberg) i felt even more bemused and left them to it. Free speech is the minimum requirement on any forum.

Having got that off my chest, what can we do to stop wide scale freemason victimisation? has anyone tried going through the police etc?

[mcmenek1]

Having got that off my chest, what can we do to stop wide scale freemason victimisation? has anyone tried going through the police etc?

Hi godhelpme,

Surely you are joking!!!........ the police forces around the world have been created by the Freemasons and are therefore totally controlled by them...... I'm not saying that all the police are Freemasons, you will find all the top policemen are because you have to be a Freemasons to reach the top.......

Love
&
Peace

[seer74]

Hi godhelpme,

Surely you are joking!!!........ the police forces around the world have been created by the Freemasons and are therefore totally controlled by them...... I'm not saying that all the police are Freemasons, you will find all the top policemen are because you have to be a Freemasons to reach the top.......

Love
&
Peace

All too true. Any effort to bring a Mason or Masons to justice through legal channels is, sadly, futile because the Masons ARE the legal channels.

[seer74]

There was a cocaine dealer who was arrested, tried, and convicted on KINGPIN charges. He walked out of the courtroom a "free" man. Can anybody guess how thats possible?

[mcmenek1]

All too true. Any effort to bring a Mason or Masons to justice through legal channels is, sadly, futile because the Masons ARE the legal channels.

Yes exactly!!....... this is also how people are framed for murders that they didn't commit, when you control the media, the police and the legal system to frame someone for murder is a very easy thing to do......


Love
&
Peace

[godhelpme]

well i was under that impression also, i have been victimised by a few mason police too. But the question remains, what can i/we do about it??

[seer74]

well i was under that impression also, i have been victimised by a few mason police too. But the question remains, what can i/we do about it??

do anything you can think of that does not support the system. encourage others to do the same.

arm yourself with knowledge. share these mental weapons with others

[godhelpme]

what knowledge are you talking about? you can name masons til the cows come home, but that doesn't do anything except create more enemies, in fact it seems to make you fair game for them to escalate things. folks have been clucking on about 3rd world order and secret societies forever, but they grow and rule us more everyday. Not sure knowing that helps me at all.

[seer74]

what knowledge are you talking about? you can name masons til the cows come home, but that doesn't do anything except create more enemies, in fact it seems to make you fair game for them to escalate things. folks have been clucking on about 3rd world order and secret societies forever, but they grow and rule us more everyday. Not sure knowing that helps me at all.

quite right, its much more than knowing about the masons, for certain. The knowledge of which I speak is all over this forum, and its certainly more than the masons.

i especially encourage you to gather spiritual knowledge

[ericdup]

Start by visualising the destruction of their symbols.
Like smashing up the all seeing eye of their control pyramid and letting the real power and authority take control. The power of good/God.

The eye represents god dumb shit. You gonna smash God? HAHAHA!!

Maybe you accusers/victims/psychic bomb making NEOPHYTES should consider the individuals rather than an international fraternity that raises billions of dollars a year for various charities(mostly stuff for kids, like autism and childhood diabetes)

There are alot of pricks in the world, and masonry applied to the right person with the right attitude can and will make a good man better, but you can't polish a turd. And once some turds arrive, they invite their turd friends, and things just go to shit from there.

[stewart edwards]

masonry applied to the right person with the right attitude can and will make a good man better, but you can't polish a turd. And once some turds arrive, they invite their turd friends, and things just go to shit from there.Not quite how I would have put it but ericdup has a point.

The question is once this has happened how do you sort it? (regular readers will now my solutions - back to basics - focus on the practical application of the tenets - rebalance the darkness through illumination).

[decim]

Wipe & Flush...


The question is once this has happened how do you sort it?

[squidius]

You people are whacked! Can you not see these people are absolutely fucked? listen to what these people are talking about???? They are stating that whilst they are walking Dogs they are being spoken to about there Dog and it's the Freemasons? LOL, this is rather pathetic. A Grown man blaming his life issues on the Freemasons and the fact that professionally he is failure isnt our fault..accountability, this man says these things and you just believe him? Gullible anyone? I am selling a piece of the London Bridge, anyone wanna buy a piece.

This man is a failure yet he blames the Freemasons, why? He couldn't even kill himself properly! HE"S A FAILURE!!

I say he starts taking responsibility for his actions and stop blaming a brotherhood of Light and good..

Good Bless the Craft and So Mote it be

[edelweiss pirate]

You people are whacked! Can you not see these people are absolutely fucked? listen to what these people are talking about???? They are stating that whilst they are walking Dogs they are being spoken to about there Dog and it's the Freemasons? LOL, this is rather pathetic. A Grown man blaming his life issues on the Freemasons and the fact that professionally he is failure isnt our fault..accountability, this man says these things and you just believe him? Gullible anyone? I am selling a piece of the London Bridge, anyone wanna buy a piece.

This man is a failure yet he blames the Freemasons, why? He couldn't even kill himself properly! HE"S A FAILURE!!

I say he starts taking responsibility for his actions and stop blaming a brotherhood of Light and good..

Good Bless the Craft and So Mote it be

You don't sound very light and good. You sound more like a foaming psycopath.... wonder why? DING! Because you're a mason! O' course!

Thanks for sharing.


No wonder the world is a strangely soulless, violent hell! Because guys like you run it!

It's all adding up today isn't it?

See what damage you idiots do to yourselves everytime you open your gobs!


Keep talking..... you've got a pretty deep hole to dig before the day is through.

[grandsecretary]

See what damage you idiots do to yourselves everytime you open your gobs!


Keep talking..... you've got a pretty deep hole to dig before the day is through.

Please don't. This is the reason why the Moderns form of Freemasonry is in such rapid decline. Too many people allowed in who are clearly totally unsuitable. No true Freemason, if that is what he claims to be, would use such foul, filthy and abusive language.

[meksar]

Storm into down masonic lodges and have a list of prominent Freemasons in your local area, pedophilia, murder and all other nastiness would dramatically drop. These cocksuckers will not understand anything until you apply pressure to them.

[meksar]

You people are whacked! Can you not see these people are absolutely fucked? listen to what these people are talking about???? They are stating that whilst they are walking Dogs they are being spoken to about there Dog and it's the Freemasons? LOL, this is rather pathetic. A Grown man blaming his life issues on the Freemasons and the fact that professionally he is failure isnt our fault..accountability, this man says these things and you just believe him? Gullible anyone? I am selling a piece of the London Bridge, anyone wanna buy a piece.

This man is a failure yet he blames the Freemasons, why? He couldn't even kill himself properly! HE"S A FAILURE!!

I say he starts taking responsibility for his actions and stop blaming a brotherhood of Light and good..

Good Bless the Craft and So Mote it be

This should answer any questions about the Craft, most Freemasons are being kept out of the loop by these evil men who are in the ranks rife with all kinds all evil. The porch masons are intentionally mislead to think the brotherhood is all about relief, charity plus social and business networking.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=92271

[chestnutlodge]

Storm into down masonic lodges and have a list of prominent Freemasons in your local area, pedophilia, murder and all other nastiness would dramatically drop. These cocksuckers will not understand anything until you apply pressure to them.

This should answer any questions about the Craft, most Freemasons are being kept out of the loop by these evil men who are in the ranks rife with all kinds all evil. The porch masons are intentionally mislead to think the brotherhood is all about relief, charity plus social and business networking.



Really quite objectional your facts are incorrect but your evidence for this is based on what?

[azaziel01]

You see you can't win in this argument

If you successfully point out that masonry is not a world-wide pedo-fest, some nut-job comes along and says

"Oh you don't know about that yet - you aren't high enough"

In once case that is true, I'm not high enough - on drugs.

I have heard hateful horrible accusations leveled at masonry by William Schobelen, who claims masons abuse children to gain more life expectancy!

Of course this is a man who is an ex-vampire, druid, catholic priest, alien abductee, witch...

oh and liar, deceiver, money merchant...

Chris

[sofa king]

You see you can't win in this argument

If you successfully point out that masonry is not a world-wide pedo-fest, some nut-job comes along and says

"Oh you don't know about that yet - you aren't high enough"

In once case that is true, I'm not high enough - on drugs.

I have heard hateful horrible accusations leveled at masonry by William Schobelen, who claims masons abuse children to gain more life expectancy!

Of course this is a man who is an ex-vampire, druid, catholic priest, alien abductee, witch...

oh and liar, deceiver, money merchant...

Chris



don't forget those out-of-context Albert Pike quotes...

[decim]

Presumably you have evidence for your claims?

Or are you just stretching your kennel chain to impress your propsective isra Elite masters.

Down Shep!!!

You see you can't win in this argument

If you successfully point out that masonry is not a world-wide pedo-fest, some nut-job comes along and says

"Oh you don't know about that yet - you aren't high enough"

In once case that is true, I'm not high enough - on drugs.

I have heard hateful horrible accusations leveled at masonry by William Schobelen, who claims masons abuse children to gain more life expectancy!

Of course this is a man who is an ex-vampire, druid, catholic priest, alien abductee, witch...

oh and liar, deceiver, money merchant...

Chris

[azaziel01]

Decim,

If you know anything about william schnoebelen you will know that he is inaccurate in regards to dates where he joined the Masonic order (reaching 33 degree), being a vampire, being a high Satanic Priest (which according to him, you must be a Catholic priest and Mason to be), a Mormon etc

Also if you go to his website and click on any topic, it takes you straight to his online store. Would I trust a man like that? absolutely not.

He is a liar!

Chris

[decim]

Ironic you lambast others for lack of evidence, yet have no compunction to apply the same principles to yourself.

Very er Maatsonic.

You'll fit rite yin with the 'tribes' conjurations.

Decim,

If you know anything about william schnoebelen you will know that he is inaccurate in regards to dates where he joined the Masonic order (reaching 33 degree), being a vampire, being a high Satanic Priest (which according to him, you must be a Catholic priest and Mason to be), a Mormon etc

Also if you go to his website and click on any topic, it takes you straight to his online store. Would I trust a man like that? absolutely not.

He is a liar!

Chris

[azaziel01]

And by the way, I have been biting my tongue at your allusions to me being some kind of canine. But what do you expect from a pig...but a grunt

Chris

[azaziel01]

Maat - the god who called the rich to help the poor and the hungry
"I have given bread to the hungry and clothed the naked fellow"

"I was a husband to the widow and father to the orphan"

Yes I will accept you binding my name with Maat.

A very noble deity

Chris

[decim]

To the 'Mystery Machine' Shaggy..those pesky maisons are at it again..

Fun Loving Criminals - Scooby Snacks - YouTube

[grandsecretary]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q295/grandsecretary/windupmerchant.jpg

[azaziel01]

He is GS - completely.

Chris

[decim]

Piggin may suns want a moonopoly on ever E thing.

[sofa king]

Piggin may suns want a moonopoly on ever E thing.

another witty response.


makes me just want to reach out and hug you!


:D

[macneil]

decim's posts are a work of art... you can only aspire, i approve :D

[meksar]

Really quite objectional your facts are incorrect but your evidence for this is based on what?

Freemasonry is a force for evil and it will be destroyed within good time, they are meeting in private and have selective membership for all the wrong reasons.

[azaziel01]

Evidence or conjecture Meskar?

Chris

[edelweiss pirate]

Evidence or conjecture Meskar?

Chris

Meskar is seconded.....

I support his motion.


Chris you now hold the minority view.

[azaziel01]

Never worried me before

[stewart edwards]

Freemasonry is a force for evil and it will be destroyed within good time, they are meeting in private and have selective membership for all the wrong reasons.Freemasonry is one of the current guardians of the ancient mysteries and is a force for good. Of that I have no doubts. But it has become sadly penetrated by darkness, which has crept up slowly and silently over the past few generations to the degree that many masons nowadays reputedly treat it all as "mummery" to get into the "social networking club". Hence agruably some masons and lodges now act as drains of community darkness as opposed to beacons of light in the community. And while I understand that there was a bit of a "clean up" twenty years ago, blind eye syndrome remains too common and even a fear of it all falling apart if "they get it wrong" when trying to make things better again. Just my personal opinion.

[boots]

Freemasonry is a force for evil and it will be destroyed within good time, they are meeting in private and have selective membership for all the wrong reasons.

+1

Do they not look at the symbols they use and how the energy they create from them is being used to further the agenda?

.

[boots]

Freemasonry is one of the current guardians of the ancient mysteries and is a force for good. Of that I have no doubts. But it has become sadly penetrated by darkness, which has crept up slowly and silently over the past few generations to the degree that many masons nowadays reputedly treat it all as "mummery" to get into the "social networking club". Hence agruably some masons and lodges now act as drains of community darkness as opposed to beacons of light in the community. And while I understand that there was a bit of a "clean up" twenty years ago, blind eye syndrome remains too common and even a fear of it all falling apart if "they get it wrong" when trying to make things better again. Just my personal opinion.


+ 1

Except now it is very dark and this darkness pervades all area's of society, not just Freemasons.

.

[se19_london]

your very first post........

"301 - I rented a unit (on a shoestring) so that I could teach building trades. One of the first bookings was a middle class person who was linked to the FMs via a riding school. After investigation, this person wanted to bring a friend (unknown to me, this person was a health & safety officer) I would have been closed down that week as I didn’t have the funds to set it all up properly, which the Masons knew. I called this person to cancel the booking (due to imaginary problems). I can’t imagine them clearing drains."



Now i'm not a fan of the health and safety brigade personally, but you, being in the building trade should know what they're like better than anyone.....

Effectively, you have admitted your business would not have passed health and safety regulations.....ie. it would be illegally operational at best.....so really and truly - the mason who "had you shut down" did you a favour no? what with all these law breaking masons - you wouldnt want to engage in activities that fall foul of the laweither surely?


"306 - FMs mostly wear skipcaps (baseball style cap) especially when they are out persecuting a victim. This is also a way for them to recognise each other. It is also a disguise and they will swap caps. They will wear them with dark glasses even on cloudy days. When you see old guys wearing them, it’s not because they are being fashionable. Investigate further by the skipcap, his car reg, his house number, his associates, pub/club/garage he uses, etc. Also engagements, weddings and esp. funerals. Lots more."

:S

now come on, even the most die hard anti mason must have had a little giggle at this one?! most of the blokes in my lodge are in their 60's and 70's - one even has a dodgy toupe......but no baseball caps and sunglasses unfortunately lool and they can just about make it to the bar, let alone run around swapping hats and glasses and bugging houses lol

i havent checked the site - but i can imagine their is some sort of PayPal link for donations to help fund "GOODEZE" or whatever it is??

Probably a scam, preying on people who buy into this sort of thing....

[meksar]

+1

Do they not look at the symbols they use and how the energy they create from them is being used to further the agenda?

.

The fact that they hold meetings in lavish buildings upheld at the taxpayers expense, tells us that they see themselves as superior to the average citizen. They have chambers of death and perform ritual murders on a regular basis amongst the higher degrees. If you look at the symbols like the pentagram for instance, they take a innocent concept and reverse it to suite their negatively charged energy.

There was a song by some fool with the chrous "there is nothing sweet about me and the world is a better place when its upside down". There is nothing sweet about these people and the world is a worse place when it is upside down.

[chestnutlodge]

The fact that they hold meetings in lavish buildings upheld at the taxpayers expense, tells us that they see themselves as superior to the average citizen. They have chambers of death and perform ritual murders on a regular basis amongst the higher degrees. If you look at the symbols like the pentagram for instance, they take a innocent concept and reverse it to suite their negatively charged energy.


Buildings are not maintained at tax payers expence.
Nobody claims superiority.
No Chambers of death.
No ritual murders.
Please explain the reversal of the pentagram.

[meksar]

Buildings are not maintained at tax payers expence.
Nobody claims superiority.
No Chambers of death.
No ritual murders.
Please explain the reversal of the pentagram.

Masonic lodge are upheld at the taxpayers expense and also members donations, once masons reach the 33rd degree the human population is refered to as profane goyim(cattle). No ritual murders amongst the "big boys"?, please do not make me me laugh, do you also believe there are no macabre rituals based on Babylonian, Egyptian and Jewish magic?(Evil Kabbalah).

As for the reversal of the pentagram look at the Penatgon in Washington D.C, which is directed north towards the "Gods of War" and of course is reversed. How many countries has the Zionist Snakes of America bombed since World War 2?, last time i checked it was 50 and growing. This is a professional extermination cult which days are numbered.

[sofa king]

Masonic lodge are upheld at the taxpayers expense



please explain how this is possible is every lodge is owned by thge masons themselves and they pay realty taxes on these buildings.

a link, a jpg of a receipt, anything will do because this claim you make is absolute false

[the perfect one]

To the original poster-For the record-I believe you. Have you looked into your family genealogy much? Perhaps you have a handler in your immediate family. I will go back and read more of what you write but after reading some of it already I believe you.

[thelonious]

Masonic lodge are upheld at the taxpayers expense and also members donations

Can you name *one* single Masonic Lodge that's ever received tax money?

No, didn't think so.

once masons reach the 33rd degree the human population is refered to as profane goyim(cattle).

The word "goyim" is Hebrew, meaning "nation". It has never meant "cattle", another obvious lie. In regular usage, "goyim" refers to Gentiles (non-Jews).

Neither the term "goyim" nor "the human population" are used in Freemasonry.

please do not make me me laugh

How about you not making *us* laugh for a change?

[squidius]

You People ARE PATHETIC! It makes me SICK when I see moron's like you trying to put a shadow over our Order of Men who Prize Honor and Virtue above the external advantaged then that of Rank and Fortune!! You Sheeple are bored and SADLY mistaken or Delusional.. You really think we go to Lodge and create tactics to make people's lives miserable? Wow, you ALL think that Pink Elephants fly and that The Moon is a Light Bulb in the sky! Honestly, I am tired of this and it's people like you that really are creating negativity in this World and accusing the Wrong Order.. We are committed to helping People, making People's lives better and helping them in any way Humanly possible within our Cable's Length meaning WITHOUT Causing issue with our Families or ourselves. You guys really have this ALL wrong and I think you should go out and check your sources and actually see that There is Disinformation out there with CATHOLICS who are extremists trying to give us a bad name because The Pope Who is SATANIC Himself has come down on us for ZERO REASON.. They claim it's because we sit beside Men who aren't of the Catholic Religion thus making them Sinners thus making Anyone in their presence Sinners.. It's pathetic and they are afraid they are going to lose bodies to Freemasonry thus losing MONEY! The Catholic Church is about MONEY and THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE this is why they tell us to ALWAYS Pro-create, it's ridiculous and they are trying to bring in as Many Catholics as possible so to make as many People as possible become Catholic! They are the REAL issue in all of this, not the Masons!!

[moon monkey]

You People ARE PATHETIC! It makes me SICK when I see moron's like you trying to put a shadow over our Order of Men who Prize Honor and Virtue above the external advantaged then that of Rank and Fortune!! You Sheeple are bored and SADLY mistaken or Delusional.. You really think we go to Lodge and create tactics to make people's lives miserable? Wow, you ALL think that Pink Elephants fly and that The Moon is a Light Bulb in the sky! Honestly, I am tired of this and it's people like you that really are creating negativity in this World and accusing the Wrong Order.. We are committed to helping People, making People's lives better and helping them in any way Humanly possible within our Cable's Length meaning WITHOUT Causing issue with our Families or ourselves. You guys really have this ALL wrong and I think you should go out and check your sources and actually see that There is Disinformation out there with CATHOLICS who are extremists trying to give us a bad name because The Pope Who is SATANIC Himself has come down on us for ZERO REASON.. They claim it's because we sit beside Men who aren't of the Catholic Religion thus making them Sinners thus making Anyone in their presence Sinners.. It's pathetic and they are afraid they are going to lose bodies to Freemasonry thus losing MONEY! The Catholic Church is about MONEY and THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE this is why they tell us to ALWAYS Pro-create, it's ridiculous and they are trying to bring in as Many Catholics as possible so to make as many People as possible become Catholic! They are the REAL issue in all of this, not the Masons!!


Liar. Apostate.

[agneau]

Liar. Apostate.

Why do you call him 'apostate'?

[edelweiss pirate]

You People ARE PATHETIC! It makes me SICK when I see moron's like you trying to put a shadow over our Order of Men who Prize Honor and Virtue above the external advantaged then that of Rank and Fortune!! You Sheeple are bored and SADLY mistaken or Delusional.. You really think we go to Lodge and create tactics to make people's lives miserable? Wow, you ALL think that Pink Elephants fly and that The Moon is a Light Bulb in the sky! Honestly, I am tired of this and it's people like you that really are creating negativity in this World and accusing the Wrong Order.. We are committed to helping People, making People's lives better and helping them in any way Humanly possible within our Cable's Length meaning WITHOUT Causing issue with our Families or ourselves. You guys really have this ALL wrong and I think you should go out and check your sources and actually see that There is Disinformation out there with CATHOLICS who are extremists trying to give us a bad name because The Pope Who is SATANIC Himself has come down on us for ZERO REASON.. They claim it's because we sit beside Men who aren't of the Catholic Religion thus making them Sinners thus making Anyone in their presence Sinners.. It's pathetic and they are afraid they are going to lose bodies to Freemasonry thus losing MONEY! The Catholic Church is about MONEY and THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE this is why they tell us to ALWAYS Pro-create, it's ridiculous and they are trying to bring in as Many Catholics as possible so to make as many People as possible become Catholic! They are the REAL issue in all of this, not the Masons!!

Are you the same Squidius who sent me threatening PM's....?

I think so... Go back to your hole....

[scorpio]

to the OP I am concerned about your mental state of mind by what you have posted. There is no way to say 100% that you are not being persecuted by Freemasons but the reality is very,very unlikely. I would suggest that you are looking to balme an organisation on your own problems as a person.

I am a Freemason and will never allow any Brethren to escape the legal process if they have committed crimes. Freemasons are not above the law and have promised to obey the law when they become Freemasons.

I hope that you will seek medical help and that when you have done so you will make a full recovery to sanity.
kind regards
Gerard

[humason]

to the OP I am concerned about your mental state of mind by what you have posted. There is no way to say 100% that you are not being persecuted by Freemasons but the reality is very,very unlikely. I would suggest that you are looking to balme an organisation on your own problems as a person.

I am a Freemason and will never allow any Brethren to escape the legal process if they have committed crimes. Freemasons are not above the law and have promised to obey the law when they become Freemasons.

I hope that you will seek medical help and that when you have done so you will make a full recovery to sanity.
kind regards
Gerard

Now now, outbreaks of sanity are not welcome here. Just look at the "perfect one" :D

[lightgiver]

You People ARE PATHETIC! It makes me SICK when I see moron's like you trying to put a shadow over our Order of Men who Prize Honor and Virtue above the external advantaged then that of Rank and Fortune!! You Sheeple are bored and SADLY mistaken or Delusional.. You really think we go to Lodge and create tactics to make people's lives miserable? Wow, you ALL think that Pink Elephants fly and that The Moon is a Light Bulb in the sky! Honestly, I am tired of this and it's people like you that really are creating negativity in this World and accusing the Wrong Order.. We are committed to helping People, making People's lives better and helping them in any way Humanly possible within our Cable's Length meaning WITHOUT Causing issue with our Families or ourselves. You guys really have this ALL wrong and I think you should go out and check your sources and actually see that There is Disinformation out there with CATHOLICS who are extremists trying to give us a bad name because The Pope Who is SATANIC Himself has come down on us for ZERO REASON.. They claim it's because we sit beside Men who aren't of the Catholic Religion thus making them Sinners thus making Anyone in their presence Sinners.. It's pathetic and they are afraid they are going to lose bodies to Freemasonry thus losing MONEY! The Catholic Church is about MONEY and THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE this is why they tell us to ALWAYS Pro-create, it's ridiculous and they are trying to bring in as Many Catholics as possible so to make as many People as possible become Catholic! They are the REAL issue in all of this, not the Masons!!

My heart Bleeds Boo Hoo

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9408/georgevimasonicgarb.gif (http://img526.imageshack.us/i/georgevimasonicgarb.gif/)

so why all the secrecy??????

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/2885/goodmasonpope.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/goodmasonpope.jpg/)

The Vatican is a front for the all-powerful Cult of Aton, which also funds the Illuminati and the Masonic Orders. The chief Jesuit is referred to as "The General" a term Akhenaton used for himself. The skull cap, that is also worn by Jewish rabbis, was originally worn by the sun priests of Egypt.

Michael Tsarion; The Irish Origins of Civilization

The Catholic Church is a Jewish, Freemasonic movement, founded in the Middle Ages in the year 325 by Constantine. It is a Jewish, Freemasonic, political movement. That's why the Pope wears the little yarmulke...yeah Cabalistic Freemasonry.

Jordan Maxwell

The Vatican itself is wholly controlled by the Brotherhood and one of its most important bases.

...Rome was created as a new Babylon.

— David Icke; The Biggest Secret

to the OP I am concerned about your mental state of mind by what you have posted. There is no way to say 100% that you are not being persecuted by Freemasons but the reality is very,very unlikely. I would suggest that you are looking to balme an organisation on your own problems as a person.


Gerard

The OP is inactive

so you are unlikely to get a reply

that is usually one of kadoshs traits replying to inactive or banned forum member's.

post 115........http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16914&page=12


and The Vatican are just as corrupt,they are telling massive lies,all the same old priest hoods

all part of the same corrupt club,


John Marco Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross

John Marco Allegro&#39;s The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross - 40th anniversary edition - YouTube

http://johnallegro.org/main/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=15&MMN_position=16:4

WE ARE THE SHEEP. They are the GOOD SHEPHERDS. Good shepherds pat the sheep. They know them by name. The sheep come up to them and like them because sheep don't know what they're there for. They think that they're there to be happy. They don't know - they don't even ask, “why does the Shepherd spend so much taking care of us and talking to us?”—That's because the sheep don't know what they're there for. They don't know their function is to feed the Shepherd. Make a profit as they take the wool and fleece them, you see—that's a good shepherd.

That's the story about Moses, of course. MOSES WASN'T A REAL PERSON. It was a myth that was born from Egypt and before that from India. It's nothing to do with a person as such or a wandering captive people. It's the "Natural Order," according to the mystery religion, because the so-called Israelites, who had been slaves, were still slaves, were still base people. In the story, which is exoteric and esoteric, they're down at the bottom of the mountain and it's lightning and thunder going around there, so they can't get up. They can't follow Moses up the mountain, because only the illuminant man, you see—the illuminant man, the one who's illumined and has spirit. You see, THE PROFANE DON'T HAVE SPIRIT. THERE'S the BIG SECRET. You're base. You're creatures of instinct, as Paul said in the New Testament.

The mob, who are slaves, stay slaves basically and they stay there; and of course, being slaves and dumb and stupid, they make a golden calf because the slaves, the base ones, want a two-legged or at least a four-legged something solid anyway to worship. They don't want a god or something that they can't see, feel and touch. They want to worship something physical; and so Moses the illumined one goes up the mountain, up the degrees, up the scale to talk to God. He went where the rest could not follow. That's what it means. That's the simple esoteric story of it. Moses in Egyptian means "CHILD". Unless you become as a child you cannot see the kingdom of heaven. Ramoses is as child of Ra. Thothmoses is as child of Thoth; and on and on we go.

You've got an endless seam of merchandising, money lending, interest gathering priesthoods going down through the thousands and thousands of years, and intergenerational families who are taught a different reality than the ones at the bottom. They go to the little red schoolhouses. In Britain, it's little red-brick schoolhouses, as the elite refer to them. Of course, their universities are also granite stone, whereas the ordinary muck can go to the red-bricked universities.


Prior to the incoming of these characters with their system—the ancient system of money, conology, you know priesthoods and merchandising and rulerships. Ruler, of course, comes from the ruler. The ruler they use in school, the ruler. Everything is Masonic terminology. Cane (Cain) is the same thing too. He's a priest; he's also a builder. Cain was the first artificer, the first scientist, who made things with metals and so on, weaponry. You have a ruler. A cane is also a ruler. They used to use the canes - the bulrushes to make rulers in ancient Middle East.

They rule us and they measure us, you see. A good ruler “weighs you in the balance,” as they say, and if you're found wanting, he won't have you around because he wants efficiency. That's where we're going today with pure efficiency, school to work. School to work.

Excerpts from reality check by Alan Watt

http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/transcripts/Alan_Watt_Blurb_ReligionRosyCrossReformation_Mar72 007.html


The knowledge the Levites stole from Egypt and expanded as a result of their stay in Babylon, became known as the Cabala (Kabala, Qaballa), which comes from the Hebrew root, QBL, meaning mouth to ear. This is the method used to communicate the most secret information to initiates. The Cabala is the esoteric stream of what is called Judaism, which in fact is a front for the Babylonian Brotherhood, as is the Vatican. The Cabala is the secret knowledge hidden in codes within the Old Testament and other texts. Judaism is the literal interpretation of it. This is a technique you can see in all the religions.

The word Essene is derived from both the Greek and Egyptian words meaning secret and sacred

The word Israel itself, far from being a Jewish appellation, probably comes from the combination of three different reigning deities: Isis, the Earth Mother Goddess revered throughout the ancient world; Ra, the Egyptian sungod; and El, the Semitic deity passed down in form as Saturn. El was one of the earliest names for the god of the ancient Hebrews (whence Emmanu-El, Micha-El, Gabri-El, Samu-El, etc.), and his worship is reflected in the fact that the Jews still consider Saturday as "God's Day."



When the truth is found to be lies
And all the joy within you dies

When the garden flowers baby are dead yes
And your mind is full of red

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Catholic comes from the Greek katholikos, the combination of two words, kata (concerning), and holos (whole).


Maybe it should be renamed Holo caust

Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If you ask me Catholics brutally stole it from the Cathars

http://www.horrorcrypt.com/archives/2814

Jefferson Airplane - Somebody to love - YouTube

Tears are running, they're all running down your breast

[lightgiver]

Now now, outbreaks of sanity are not welcome here. Just look at the "perfect one" :D

Are you sane or even Hu mane? :)

Humane in early use meant civil, courteous or obliging towards humans and animals. In modern times it is characterized by sympathy with or consideration, compassion and benevolence for others, especially for the suffering or distressed.

Cypress Hill Insane In The Membrane ( Black Sunday )

Cypress Hill - Insane In The Membrane - YouTube

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[humason]

Are you sane or even Hu mane? :)

Humane in early use meant civil, courteous or obliging towards humans and animals. In modern times it is characterized by sympathy with or consideration, compassion and benevolence for others, especially for the suffering or distressed.

Cypress Hill Insane In The Membrane ( Black Sunday )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAlNrtcPCLw

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Unfortunately, if some people persist in believing total fabrications, myths that were debunked on numerous occasions, and outright lies, well, they're beyond and help that I can deliver.

[lightgiver]

Unfortunately, if some people persist in believing total fabrications, myths that were debunked on numerous occasions, and outright lies, well, they're beyond and help that I can deliver.

So mocking people is what you call helping them ?

[squidius]

You People are pathetic and WHINERS!! Let's blame ALL YOUR PROBLEMS on the Freemasons... You know what is funny, that I read this and it's exactly the opposite of what Masons do!!!!! You OUTSIDERS who aren't privy to The Brotherhood of Man have to blame your social downfalls and fallshorts on someone, hey let's blame the Freemasons who are a friggin Rotary/Dining Club for crying out loud!!!! I have realized though, it takes all kinds in this World and you all definitely represent the 80%'ers...

Stay Tuned for more World Domination and our Lucifarious agenda! ENJOY!

[squidius]

Blah Blah Blah "LIGHTGIVER" if that was ever an OXYMORON, your doing exactly what ALL the Conspiracy Theorists do and that is quote People with NO PROOF and it's ALL opinion based information. Your Tactics are quite plain actually speaking of Tactical Forum Plotting. You quote strong lines from individuals who are themselves considered LIARS and "BOOKSELLERS" out to make a quick buck on something in which they have NO PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with, thus they are just regergitating the same old bullshit that has been handed down by LEO TAXIL and you call this your argument. Laughable to say the least...

Again, BLAH BLAH BLAH

[squidius]

Freemasonry is a force for evil and it will be destroyed within good time, they are meeting in private and have selective membership for all the wrong reasons.

You see, this is exactly the stupidity that I strive to destroy - First of all, go back to school. Secondly, your dimwitted comments show your lack of knowledge of Freemasonry..

Freemasons MEET IN A VERY COLORFULLY MARKED LODGE that is ADVERTISED in the LOCAL NEWSPAPERS IN MOST CASES. The Doors are OPEN to ANYONE who wishes to visit.

Membership is NOT SELECTIVE it's PRIVATE in otherwords WE DO NOT SELECT PEOPLE THEY SELECT US!!!!!!!!!! We then go back to a committee who decides weather or not someone can benefit MORALLY from the Masonic Teachings and or if someone can become an active Masons WITHOUT PUTTING HIS FAMILY AT RISK. This means that if the Man is working 2 jobs to make ends meet, the last thing we want to do is take a couple of days a Month away from the Man as he has other more pressing matters that of his Family.. We had a Man who petitioned for Membership. We sent a committee to investigate the Man and we spoke to him. His Wife showed up and she asked the Dues etc... When we explained the Yearly dues, his Wife stood up and said "Sure, you can pay that but you can't even buy me a new dress"..Well, because WE DO NOT want to disturb the Family in any capacity we politely denied him for Membership sighting more pressing matters on his behalf... You see, Masonry is a Brotherhood of caring and helping one another Masons and NON-MASONS alike. To us, if you require assistance we are there to help within our cable length.

So, for all you Sheeple that have zero knowledge or integrity I state

"DO NOT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU"


Regards,

Hiram Abiff (Squidius)

[stewart edwards]

Squidius

Dont know if we have interacted before, but if not Hello. While I sympathise with your frustration, if you can take a little advice from a rejected candidate, try not to let your frustration flow so easily into your words. You make some excellent points that quite frankly need to be said (eg about how masons do help people), but you would achieve more if you could try to be a little less "hostile" for want of a better word (eg sheeple, lack of integrity).

Illuminate squidius, lead by example, dont fall to the depths of returning insults. One of my many failings is that I expect masons to act masonicly, by which I mean, in accordance with the tenets. There is much to be gained from listening to those who dont trust you. You may know it to be rubbish, but people have their views for a reason, and the masonic world is big and wide and even I have several personal experiences of things that masons often claim never happened, yet masons were not only present but involved in masonic settings. This is old news that I wont bore you with but your brothers who have known me for a decade in person on the internet can confirm it to you. Unlike some I do appreciate how different fraternities do things differently and this can be the source of much of the confusion. For example, as a very general comment, ugle masons look to the individual, French masons look to society, and some southern european freemasonry can look to nwo type stuff. Seen it first hand at a lodge event squidius.

[sofa king]

I expect masons to act masonicly, by which I mean, in accordance with the tenets.


please explain how this translates into participation on an internet forum.

[stewart edwards]

please explain how this translates into participation on an internet forum.Sofa king earlier this year I explained this in painful detail every singe time masons failed here.

Or is your point that masons are only masons while in lodge?

UGLEs primary tenet is fairly clear on what is expected behaviour of a TRUE (UGLEs word) mason.

[sofa king]

Sofa king earlier this year I explained this in painful detail every singe time masons failed here.

Or is your point that masons are only masons while in lodge?

UGLEs primary tenet is fairly clear on what is expected behaviour of a TRUE (UGLEs word) mason.



no, I'm asking what you expect masons to do on an internet forum that represents adherence to their tenets. I would also like for you to share with us those parts of the various obligations and charges that requires said behaviour.

[stewart edwards]

no, I'm asking what you expect masons to do on an internet forum that represents adherence to their tenets. As I noted above sofa king acting in accord to your tenets. UGLEs primary tenet is fairly self explanatory.

I would also like for you to share with us those parts of the various obligations and charges that requires said behaviour.Not having read these I dont know. If you are alluding to you not being required to adhere to your own tenets, then no wonder the masonic world faces some of the problems it does.

It really is a simple matter, when a masons writes on the internet his words reveal whether he is or is not a true mason, as defined by ugle.

UGLE explain it in their tenet far better than I could.

[sofa king]

As I noted above sofa king acting in accord to your tenets. UGLEs primary tenet is fairly self explanatory.

Not having read these I dont know. If you are alluding to you not being required to adhere to your own tenets, then no wonder the masonic world faces some of the problems it does.

It really is a simple matter, when a masons writes on the internet his words reveal whether he is or is not a true mason, as defined by ugle.

UGLE explain it in their tenet far better than I could.



so you are asking masons to adhere to tenets and you do not know what these are?

No where in my obligations, rituals, constitutions or other are we required to tolerate fools nor are we required to turn the other cheek.

[stewart edwards]

Sofa King

I am disappointed in you.so you are asking masons to adhere to tenets and you do not know what these are?How many times have I above told you the primary ugle tenet. In addition you were here at the early part of this year when this was discussed in great depth.

No where in my obligations, rituals, constitutions or other are we required to tolerate fools nor are we required to turn the other cheek.And you you insult me.

Sofa King I wish you, and your brand of masonry well. But I will not play "the merry go round" I expect masons to act the way that they say that they will, even if you dont. In the same way that I expect a policeman to fight crime not enable it, or a fireman to put out fires not to start them.


Squidius

If my words to you have upset you please forgive me for trying to help make your time here as effective and productive as possible.

[sofa king]

Sofa King

I am disappointed in you.How many times have I above told you the primary ugle tenet. In addition you were here at the early part of this year when this was discussed in great depth.

And you you insult me.

Sofa King I wish you, and your brand of masonry well. But I will not play "the merry go round" I expect masons to act the way that they say that they will, even if you dont. In the same way that I expect a policeman to fight crime not enable it, or a fireman to put out fires not to start them.


Squidius

If my words to you have upset you please forgive me for trying to help make your time here as effective and productive as possible.



Stewart, you are a liar and a snake of the highest order. You speak out of both sides of your face. And because I refuse to kiss your ass I am unmasonic. We are freemasons, not monks. There is no expectation for us to tolerate your horseshit.

Perhaps you don't realize that you are not the only one having PM conversations with others and comparing notes. And guess what? Pretty much everyone here can see through you that you try to play both sides against each other and make yourself look like the hero.

You have zero credibility. You lie. You are a cheat. Your words have no sincerity at all.


I don't give a rats ass what you think I should be doing. Masonry is manifested in deeds, not words. I live the tenets of masonry every day. You think because I wont put up with the bullshit of unemployed headcases I am unmasonic? Fuck you. When it the last time you did something masonic? I ask because you make claim to being a better mason than any mason out there.


But wait, there is no answer to that question because as we all knwo, you are full of shit.


Carry on you deceitful liar

[stewart edwards]

Just wanted to encapsulate you showing your true colours sofa kingStewart, you are a liar and a snake of the highest order. You speak out of both sides of your face. And because I refuse to kiss your ass I am unmasonic. We are freemasons, not monks. There is no expectation for us to tolerate your horseshit.

Perhaps you don't realize that you are not the only one having PM conversations with others and comparing notes. And guess what? Pretty much everyone here can see through you that you try to play both sides against each other and make yourself look like the hero.

You have zero credibility. You lie. You are a cheat. Your words have no sincerity at all.


I don't give a rats ass what you think I should be doing. Masonry is manifested in deeds, not words. I live the tenets of masonry every day. You think because I wont put up with the bullshit of unemployed headcases I am unmasonic? Fuck you. When it the last time you did something masonic? I ask because you make claim to being a better mason than any mason out there.


But wait, there is no answer to that question because as we all knwo, you are full of shit.


Carry on you deceitful liar

[kadosh]

Actually I believe sofaking has summed up the matter in a nutshell. Too many outsiders (non-masons) think they have the answer to solving Masonic business. They spew out opinions. They seem to think that the Masonic fraternity is as dysfunctional as they are! I do wonder if those who criticise Masons adopt the same approach to other fraternal organisations as well. My guess is they post anti-masonic messages to boost their own ego. Pity.

[sofa king]

Just wanted to encapsulate you showing your true colours sofa king



Encapsulate all you want.

The difference between you and I is that everyone can see where I stand. Some may think it rough, pedestrian or juvenile. But it is there for all to see in the open. No hiding and waiting to pounce.



You on the other hand are a snake that cannot wait to twist the dagger in someones back to make yourself look good. Sorry guy. You are not fooling anyone. You lie on an almost daily basis here. Hence, I stand by my claim that you are a snake of the highest order.

[stewart edwards]

Encapsulate all you want.

The difference between you and I is that everyone can see where I stand. Some may think it rough, pedestrian or juvenile. But it is there for all to see in the open. No hiding and waiting to pounce.



You on the other hand are a snake that cannot wait to twist the dagger in someones back to make yourself look good. Sorry guy. You are not fooling anyone. You lie on an almost daily basis here. Hence, I stand by my claim that you are a snake of the highest order.And you continue to defame me sofa king. Very sad.

I would hazard a guess that there is more than one or two of your own brothers, privately at least, a little sad at your behaviour here today.

[grandsecretary]

Stewart, you are a liar and a snake of the highest order. You speak out of both sides of your face. And because I refuse to kiss your ass I am unmasonic. We are freemasons, not monks. There is no expectation for us to tolerate your horseshit.

Perhaps you don't realize that you are not the only one having PM conversations with others and comparing notes. And guess what? Pretty much everyone here can see through you that you try to play both sides against each other and make yourself look like the hero.

You have zero credibility. You lie. You are a cheat. Your words have no sincerity at all.


I don't give a rats ass what you think I should be doing. Masonry is manifested in deeds, not words. I live the tenets of masonry every day. You think because I wont put up with the bullshit of unemployed headcases I am unmasonic? Fuck you. When it the last time you did something masonic? I ask because you make claim to being a better mason than any mason out there.


But wait, there is no answer to that question because as we all knwo, you are full of shit.


Carry on you deceitful liar

And this foul mouthed, immoral, insensitive piece of detritis calls himself a Freemason? No wonder the Moderns system is in such desperate trouble and it is not rescuable. This explains why it was so important to go back to basics Stewart.

[sofa king]

And this foul mouthed, immoral, insensitive piece of detritis calls himself a Freemason? No wonder the Moderns system is in such desperate trouble and it is not rescuable. This explains why it was so important to go back to basics Stewart.



and right on cue, here comes Peter, the other fence rider.


Peter you too are a liar and a snake, like Stewart. You too ride the fence, playing both sides against themselves. Your posts, as with Stewarts, are so entertaining to read. Professing electronic loyalties to masons when it suits you, then anti-masons when it suits you.


I am glad you are no longer in the UGLE because you are scum Peter. It is liars like you that make us look bad. Where you erred was to post all over the internet under the same name. People have a lengthy record of reading your false loyalties and lies.

Both of you will face your Creator one day and will have to account for the lies and deceit that made up your lives.


And guess what Peter. It makes no difference how much you attempt to discount UGLE masonry. it make no diffference how much you attempt to claim your 5 year old group somehow has a link to Athelstan. It makes no difference how many times you quote Anderson. You are a lying sack of shit and the whole forum (and eevery masonic forum out there) knows it. Why do you no longer post at masonic fora Peter? Because they called you out as being a liar and fraud. So you come here to make yourselff look good. Don't you realize you senile fool that these anti-masons hate you as much as they hate the UGLE?


Save your breath Peter. You ceased having any credibility a long time ago.

[sofa king]

I find myself agreeing more and more with you GS , the more i read this forum the more i understand that you are about the only one with decent morals , and yet you constantly appear to be under the most verbal abuses of all.

I take my hat of you to you Sir :)



There goes Peter in action. Playing both sides.


Just watch your back Nosebleed. GS and Stewart will have a knife in it soon enough.

[nosebleed]

There goes Peter in action. Playing both sides.


Just watch your back Nosebleed. GS and Stewart will have a knife in it soon enough.

Yeah well if they do im sure it will all be "on the level" , and "above board" , with a "fair and square" outcome.

Sorry i couldn't resist :D

[kadosh]

Although I in no way condone the ramblings of sofa king in the last few messages posted I do think it explains the frustration many Freemasons have with those who continually criticise the fraternity for the sake of it. If they are not members of the fraternity it is none of their business really. They are of course entitled to opinion but that is all. Even their opinion are of limited value as they are only on the outside looking in from a distance.

[nosebleed]

Although I in no way condone the ramblings of sofa king in the last few messages posted I do think it explains the frustration many Freemasons have with those who continually criticise the fraternity for the sake of it. If they are not members of the fraternity it is none of their business really. They are of course entitled to opinion but that is all. Even their opinion are of limited value as they are only on the outside looking in from a distance.

No we have a right to know if our so called elected public officials have took previous oaths beforehand , before we give them authority over us.

And that includes you.

[nosebleed]

People can sit and argue all day about what masonry actually is , or whose lodge is the right one , but at the end of the day , we should not have leaders , judges , government officials , police officers who have took private , oaths ruling over us , without telling us exactly what they are involved with.

Where are there loyalties , with the people or the brotherhood ?

Its a fair question and it should be pursued and asked.

[kadosh]

This was a paper on Freemasonry delivered in the year 2000 - http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/current.html

[nosebleed]

This was a paper on Freemasonry delivered in the year 2000 - http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/current.html

The elite don't care about low level Masons , how many do you think got sent to the 2 staged world wars ?

They have there own noble orders and royal societies , they have never polluted themselves amongst "the commoners" , we even have the - house of commons , ( those not of elite stock )

They call us - commoners because we breed with anyone , were as they specialize in selective in-breeding and breeding ( eugenics )

[kadosh]

Natural selection.

[nosebleed]

Natural selection.

No they believe in Darwinism , as in the survival of the fittest and see themselves as the predator class who have proved there worth to rule over the unfortunates.

You can see this Darwinist / Communist philosophy everywhere if you just look , our money system is based on it , the loser / winner dog eat dog system.

You even see it surfacing in the eco-fascist , climate change debate.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/britain-must-adapt-to-inevitable-climate-change-warns-minister-2077175.html

One quote from it - Caroline Spelman, the Tory Secretary of State for the Environment, will use her first major speech on climate change since taking office to admit that the inevitable severe weather conditions will present a "survival-of-the- fittest scenario"

Thats Darwinism in all its glory :rolleyes:

[sofa king]

Where are there loyalties , with the people or the brotherhood ?

Its a fair question and it should be pursued and asked.


If they have taken the obligations as they should have, the loyalty would be with the people first because that is their job. The order of priority taught in Masonry is:

1) Family
2) Work
3) The Fraternity

In that order, no exceptions. Masonry never comes before your family or your job. Any mason that does not follow it as such is in violation of the rules of the society. Loyalty to fellow masons must never come at the expense of breaking or even bending the law.

[nosebleed]

If they have taken the obligations as they should have, the loyalty would be with the people first because that is their job. The order of priority taught in Masonry is:

1) Family
2) Work
3) The Fraternity

In that order, no exceptions. Masonry never comes before your family or your job. Any mason that does not follow it as such is in violation of the rules of the society. Loyalty to fellow masons must never come at the expense of breaking or even bending the law.

I don't think anyone who has took previous oaths to a - society with secrets , should be allowed any political power.

If those people want to sit around tables and hold hands singing with masks on , then that's there freedom to do so ( exaggeration lol ), but anyone who has took any kind of secret mysterious oath or joined an elusive society should be investigated , before they join any governmental , law enforcement position.

I'm sorry i know that's very common sense like in this crazy world , but you know im old fashioned.

[thelonious]

You can see this Darwinist / Communist philosophy everywhere if you just look , our money system is based on it , the loser / winner dog eat dog system.



I hate to be a stickler here, but Darwinian and Communist systems are the exact opposite of each other. Social Darwinism is capitalism, "survival of the fittest". Communism is everybody owning everything equally.

[nosebleed]

When was the last time you seen any corrupt or crooked people investigated openly on the news who were "suspected of belonging to a secret society"

No all you hear is those who are supposedly terrorist bogeymen , brown skinned people , who are plotting to destroy the west , what a sick joke and an insult to most clear thinking peoples intelligence.

[nosebleed]

I hate to be a stickler here, but Darwinian and Communist systems are the exact opposite of each other. Social Darwinism is capitalism, "survival of the fittest". Communism is everybody owning everything equally.

International Socialism ( Communism ) , was never intended to be everyone owning everything , it was a fraud.

Unless you believe this slogan - workers unite !

:rolleyes:

[nosebleed]

I hate to be a stickler here, but Darwinian and Communist systems are the exact opposite of each other. Social Darwinism is capitalism, "survival of the fittest". Communism is everybody owning everything equally.

No the Marxists do believe in killing of the feeble minded , disabled , it is one of the things all Marxists have pursued when coming to power , and Hitler took it to the extreme with his disgusting action-t4 plan , killing of all the "unfit" in the German society at the time.

[nosebleed]

If they have taken the obligations as they should have, the loyalty would be with the people first because that is their job. The order of priority taught in Masonry is:

1) Family
2) Work
3) The Fraternity

In that order, no exceptions. Masonry never comes before your family or your job. Any mason that does not follow it as such is in violation of the rules of the society. Loyalty to fellow masons must never come at the expense of breaking or even bending the law.

Well when was the last time you turned on your tv and seen some corrupt governmental official , or some other high profile person being investigated for belonging to a secret dodgy society ?

Id love you to show me some footage , because you wont find it , Masonry is a protected organization , which very rarely even gets shown on tv for the profane.

The last one i kinda remember , it was the P2 lodge with the - gods banker in the Thames.

Apart from that its been a total blackout.

:confused:

[sofa king]

I see your concern Nosebleed and agree to a point.

However, the world is not perfect. Political candidates have not been raised in a bubble. Maybe some are freemasons. We can question their loyalty to the people based on that. But what about the non-freemason politicians? Who is their loyalty to? Those politicians are probably more dangerous because those they have sworn loyalty to are completely anonymous and without identification.

[nosebleed]

I see your concern Nosebleed and agree to a point.

However, the world is not perfect. Political candidates have not been raised in a bubble. Maybe some are freemasons. We can question their loyalty to the people based on that. But what about the non-freemason politicians? Who is their loyalty to? Those politicians are probably more dangerous because those they have sworn loyalty to are completely anonymous and without identification.

Fair enough i never claimed to be attacking masonry as a whole , i personally believe 90 percent of those people are just normal every day folks

Yes of course there is others who have bad intentions , yet who will no doubt have zero connections to any of this stuff , and yet could rise up to be politicians as well , but i don't think they will get to a very high point without being heavily monitored and watched.

Its the - all seeing eye !

[sofa king]

Fair enough i never claimed to be attacking masonry as a whole , i personally believe 90 percent of those people are just normal every day folks

Yes of course there is others who have bad intentions , yet who will no doubt have zero connections to any of this stuff , and yet could rise up to be politicians as well , but i don't think they will get to a very high point without being heavily monitored and watched.

Its the - all seeing eye !



Agreed. The highest levels of government are occcupied with those who are well connected to a number of interests. Even the most noble person could enter politics and quickly find him/herself either corrupted or ejected.

[nosebleed]

Agreed. The highest levels of government are occcupied with those who are well connected to a number of interests. Even the most noble person could enter politics and quickly find him/herself either corrupted or ejected.

You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out.

U.S President , Andrew Jackson

Money power and the lust for it all , corrupts absolutely.

If you haven't read - Tragedy & Hope id recommend it , the person who wrote it was the official historian for the elite round table group at the time , and he told how the private corporate interests of the world wanted to basically dominate all resources , wealth , governments.

Its not a far flung conspiracy , this person had access to there actual archives and published a book based on it.

[sofa king]

If you haven't read - Tragedy & Hope id recommend it , the person who wrote it was the official historian for the elite round table group at the time , and he told how the private corporate interests of the world wanted to basically dominate all resources , wealth , governments.

Its not a far flung conspiracy , this person had access to there actual archives and published a book based on it.


No I haven't read that one, thank you for the recommendation.

:)

[nosebleed]

No I haven't read that one, thank you for the recommendation.

:)

Your welcome , its a very interesting read into the world of the elite , the way i see it , is everyone is kept in a constant state of left / right politics , Communism , Fascism , Mason / Jesuit , or black , white.

But i see only one very rich groups of families above this "chaos" laughing at us.

[o_rourke]

No I haven't read that one, thank you for the recommendation.

:)

I found this online pdf version. I think it is the whole book as it has over 1,000 pages.

Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley
(http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=472)

[nosebleed]

I found this online pdf version. I think it is the whole book as it has over 1,000 pages.

Tragedy and Hope by Carroll Quigley
(http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=472)

Thats about right , its a massive book , there is also another called - Anglo American Establishment.

[stewart edwards]

Both of you will face your Creator one day and will have to account for the lies and deceit that made up your lives.As I have amply explained in detail many times now I already have faced my creator and was given a free choice to pass through the open gates or to return here to do more. It was a very tough decision and I very nearly walked through. While I dont expect you to believe this, that does not make it a lie, it just means that you dont believe it.

I dearly hope that your behaviour on here yesterday has woken up the "high hied yins" as to just how the masonic world has been digging its own grave over recent years. You behave in a manner that it diffficult for me to reconcile with masonic standards. I have experienced such behaviour for a decade now on masonic forums and on here from masons, primarily those claiming to be ugle and amity. A chap at UGLE once told me something to the effect that "they are only names on a forum", hopefully now the ugle powers that be will begin to appreciate a little better how the root of many masonic problems do lie with the behaviour of its members.

It would be quite funny if it were not for the fact that some freemasons have thanked me for what I have done for them over the years. Still that all stopped in January this year after Kadoshs revelation as to the reasons for my rejection, which can easily be interpreted as religious intolerance, confirmed and supported by other masons on masonic forums who confirmed they would also reject for that same sole specific reason.

I will no longer be bullied by masons. I have spent many hundreds if not thousands of hours helping you, and being thanked for it by some, peer recognised by the number of masons, including acting grand chains including ugle amity, yes sofa king you did read that correctly who have called me "brother" knowing full well my position.

I would imagine that this morning there are masons waking up thinking "oh poop how do we deal with this".

As I have said extensively previously, the tenets matter. UGLE defines what a TRUE Mason is in its primary tenet. Its not mummery. It matters.

The events of yesterday, as well as at the turn of this year, will be getting discussed for a long time to come on the occasions in the future that masons do ask for my assistance.

Tis a pity that the masonic high hied yins tolerate such behaviour from their members.

[stewart edwards]

Although I in no way condone the ramblings of sofa king in the last few messages postedGood to hear kadosh.

I do think it explains the frustration many Freemasons have with those who continually criticise the fraternity for the sake of it. If they are not members of the fraternity it is none of their business really.If you look at freemasonry straight at a mundane level possibly, if you exclude the fact that masons do interact with the genenral public. However more estoterically orientated masons may on occassions take a differing view, as you must know better than me, Kadosh.

Also while I have constructively criticised the masonic world for a decade, I have also held my hand out helping it for that time, in many different ways Kadosh, as I have amply explained previously. It is not unknown for your brothers to thank me for what I have done for them. You may want me no where near, but that is not a view shared by all of your brothers. However you have your way as I have given up on ugle and amity due to the behaviour of some of your members, a lot of it publicly evidinced on forums over the past decade.

They are of course entitled to opinion but that is all. Even their opinion are of limited value as they are only on the outside looking in from a distance.Yet some of your brothers do call me "brother" and suggest various things to the effect that the Craft would do well having me do what I do from within. Even on masonic forums there are masons who hold such views so you probably know some of them Kadosh. And they are not all EAs. Anyhow as you know it is history now, not because of you, but because of your disclosure of the reasons for my rejection, and other ugle and amity masons confirming that they would also reject for precisely and solely this reason, being the final straw that broke my back.

They are of course entitled to opinion And I will continue to give it. Striving for truth (the third ugle tenet) is not easy, is often painful but is also very important for each and every one of us.

I just hope that the next UGLE Grand Master has the balls to stand up and be counted, to be able to touch hearts to eradicate the darkness that has sadly visibly penetrated the masonic system. By reilluminating UGLE this will feed out into UGLE amity and even to non amity. It needs to be a Royal as the role of inspiration, heart touching and thought generation needs to be separate from the "safe pairs of hands" who make it work at a pace that masons can cope with.

I hope Kadosh, that even you will allow me the hope that UGLE can move forwards positively in the world.

[sofa king]

I will no longer be bullied by masons. I have spent many hundreds if not thousands of hours helping you, and being thanked for it by some, peer recognised by the number of masons, including acting grand chains including ugle amity, yes sofa king you did read that correctly who have called me "brother" knowing full well my position.

I would imagine that this morning there are masons waking up thinking "oh poop how do we deal with this".

As I have said extensively previously, the tenets matter. UGLE defines what a TRUE Mason is in its primary tenet. Its not mummery. It matters.

The events of yesterday, as well as at the turn of this year, will be getting discussed for a long time to come on the occasions in the future that masons do ask for my assistance.

Tis a pity that the masonic high hied yins tolerate such behaviour from their members.



Whatever Stewart. You helping Masons because you think you can practice the craft better than any mason. More deceit and lies on your part.

Guess what? Masonry is about deeds and acts. Not how you talk. Your insistance that your rejection was intolerance reinforces why you were rejected. Your rejection was based on you abusing the religious freedoms extended by the lodge. You will never understand this and as such will never be a mason. All you have done is talk about it. Have you even attempted to try and understand what you might have done wrong?


Here is another tidbit for you. The next generation of masons coming in now are making the changes. The days of the big talkers that do nothing are over. These "holier-than-thou" masons like Peter are dying off and not being replaced. As I have said earlier, I am rough around the edges but I do not care. My deeds and actions in the real world are what counts. I do not lie. I do not cheat. I do not steal. I do not put on an act or pretend to be somebody I am not. I am active in the world making a difference every day.

What you want is the kind of old style 1950s mason that doens't do shit in this world but talk a big game. That form of masonry is dead, but you and the UGLE do not see it yet. So you keep expecting masons to be blowhards that are all talk and no action. The rest of us actually making a difference in the world really do not care what YOU think of us or what YOU think we should be acting like. Why? At the end of the day Stewart, you are the dogshit on the bottom of my show. You raise a big stink, but add nothing to the world.

[grandsecretary]

1950's ... Old?????

There speaks a babe in arms.

1950 is yesterday.

[sofa king]

Good to hear kadosh.

If you look at freemasonry straight at a mundane level possibly, if you exclude the fact that masons do interact with the genenral public. However more estoterically orientated masons may on occassions take a differing view, as you must know better than me, Kadosh.

Also while I have constructively criticised the masonic world for a decade, I have also held my hand out helping it for that time, in many different ways Kadosh, as I have amply explained previously. It is not unknown for your brothers to thank me for what I have done for them. You may want me no where near, but that is not a view shared by all of your brothers. However you have your way as I have given up on ugle and amity due to the behaviour of some of your members, a lot of it publicly evidinced on forums over the past decade.

Yet some of your brothers do call me "brother" and suggest various things to the effect that the Craft would do well having me do what I do from within. Even on masonic forums there are masons who hold such views so you probably know some of them Kadosh. And they are not all EAs. Anyhow as you know it is history now, not because of you, but because of your disclosure of the reasons for my rejection, and other ugle and amity masons confirming that they would also reject for precisely and solely this reason, being the final straw that broke my back.

And I will continue to give it. Striving for truth (the third ugle tenet) is not easy, is often painful but is also very important for each and every one of us.

I just hope that the next UGLE Grand Master has the balls to stand up and be counted, to be able to touch hearts to eradicate the darkness that has sadly visibly penetrated the masonic system. By reilluminating UGLE this will feed out into UGLE amity and even to non amity. It needs to be a Royal as the role of inspiration, heart touching and thought generation needs to be separate from the "safe pairs of hands" who make it work at a pace that masons can cope with.

I hope Kadosh, that even you will allow me the hope that UGLE can move forwards positively in the world.



More lies and deceit Stewart.

[stewart edwards]

Emmphasis mine. Now I am dogshit on his shoe!! And he lumps UGLE in with me, bet that pleases a few in GQS:eek:Whatever Stewart. You helping Masons because you think you can practice the craft better than any mason. More deceit and lies on your part.

Guess what? Masonry is about deeds and acts. Not how you talk. Your insistance that your rejection was intolerance reinforces why you were rejected. Your rejection was based on you abusing the religious freedoms extended by the lodge. You will never understand this and as such will never be a mason. All you have done is talk about it. Have you even attempted to try and understand what you might have done wrong?


Here is another tidbit for you. The next generation of masons coming in now are making the changes. The days of the big talkers that do nothing are over. These "holier-than-thou" masons like Peter are dying off and not being replaced. As I have said earlier, I am rough around the edges but I do not care. My deeds and actions in the real world are what counts. I do not lie. I do not cheat. I do not steal. I do not put on an act or pretend to be somebody I am not. I am active in the world making a difference every day.

What you want is the kind of old style 1950s mason that doens't do shit in this world but talk a big game. That form of masonry is dead, but you and the UGLE do not see it yet. So you keep expecting masons to be blowhards that are all talk and no action. The rest of us actually making a difference in the world really do not care what YOU think of us or what YOU think we should be acting like. Why? At the end of the day Stewart, you are the dogshit on the bottom of my show. You raise a big stink, but add nothing to the world.Sofa King, you really are doing no credit in your words to the reputation of freemasons and freemasonry. I for one now think less of the masonic world because of your words. Absolutely disgraceful behaviour for a mason in my opinion.

Anyhow sofa King you have made your position and your continued personal abuse towards me very clear. Now no masons here can with any degree of credibility say that freemasons are tolerant or respectful.

A second very sad day for the masonic world.

[stewart edwards]

Just a reminder of my post that spurned Sofa kings continued abusive attack on meSquidius

Dont know if we have interacted before, but if not Hello. While I sympathise with your frustration, if you can take a little advice from a rejected candidate, try not to let your frustration flow so easily into your words. You make some excellent points that quite frankly need to be said (eg about how masons do help people), but you would achieve more if you could try to be a little less "hostile" for want of a better word (eg sheeple, lack of integrity).

Illuminate squidius, lead by example, dont fall to the depths of returning insults. One of my many failings is that I expect masons to act masonicly, by which I mean, in accordance with the tenets. There is much to be gained from listening to those who dont trust you. You may know it to be rubbish, but people have their views for a reason, and the masonic world is big and wide and even I have several personal experiences of things that masons often claim never happened, yet masons were not only present but involved in masonic settings. This is old news that I wont bore you with but your brothers who have known me for a decade in person on the internet can confirm it to you. Unlike some I do appreciate how different fraternities do things differently and this can be the source of much of the confusion. For example, as a very general comment, ugle masons look to the individual, French masons look to society, and some southern european freemasonry can look to nwo type stuff. Seen it first hand at a lodge event squidius.

[decim]

Identified..

http://aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/blair-pope1.jpg

One crypto zionista prime minister later & look at the state of the former UK....

'They' didn't give up after the armada defeat...

I see your concern Nosebleed and agree to a point.

However, the world is not perfect. Political candidates have not been raised in a bubble. Maybe some are freemasons. We can question their loyalty to the people based on that. But what about the non-freemason politicians? Who is their loyalty to? Those politicians are probably more dangerous because those they have sworn loyalty to are completely anonymous and without identification.

[lightgiver]

Good to hear kadosh.

If you look at freemasonry straight at a mundane level possibly, if you exclude the fact that masons do interact with the genenral public.
.

only in secret behind their backs :)

[sofa king]

I for one now think less of the masonic world because of your words.


Bullshit Stewart. More lies and deceit. You already had your views of Masonry and will continue to do so regardless of whether I call you out or not.

You obviously cannot see how transparent you are. Again you prove yourself to be a liar and manipulator.

[stewart edwards]

Bullshit Stewart. More lies and deceit. You already had your views of Masonry and will continue to do so regardless of whether I call you out or not.

You obviously cannot see how transparent you are. Again you prove yourself to be a liar and manipulator.Sofa King, you really do sadden me. And I would guess that you have saddened more than a few of your brothers with your posts. Still it is your reputation, and that of the masonic world you are continuing to harm.

[sofa king]

Sofa King, you really do sadden me. And I would guess that you have saddened more than a few of your brothers with your posts. Still it is your reputation, and that of the masonic world you are continuing to harm.



Whatever Stewart. Continue to play your manipulation games. You are very transparent and continue to show why you were rejected from membership.

[lightgiver]

Victims indeed

of a corrupted evil run society by you know who

[jillza]

hi, new here but not new to mr secondfamily. His victimisation post crops up in amny places, and i replied to it at the bilderberg site. i had all my replies and subsequent posts removed without reason lol.

in principle i am on his side, having been victimised by the freemasons for many years. Amongst other things i tried to point out to him that some of what he said was sensationalist and irrational, and may infact put off other victims who may perhaps have been of use in some collective. When my posts were deleted (secondfamily or joe stirling moderate on bilderberg) i felt even more bemused and left them to it. Free speech is the minimum requirement on any forum.

Having got that off my chest, what can we do to stop wide scale freemason victimisation? has anyone tried going through the police etc?


Are you very stupid? They OWN the police.. See the checkerboard over the door of tghe copshop and on the cop cars? This is masonic ownership symbol
Ive been victimised... i was drowned as a child by a cousin whose Dad was a freemason as was mine. My dad was a masonic leader, and I am not sure but i think he twigged that someting was fishy and tooke me and my Mum to the Uk, leaving five of their kids in Australia. I have some very odd memories that dont go with the rest of my childhood.
Waht was done to me was meant to make me MPD. They place programming in the shattered part of your mind... all i can tell you is that I remember trigger phrases used by my dad like "gangway Naval Officer" which spun me out when the Alice character in Eyes Wide Shut used the term, the presense of the naval officer made her want to have sex with him. Female offspring of masons can be triggered by men who know how to do this. Male children are also drowned or otherwise tortured, to split their minds. Later during initiation, the splits that were made when they were children are accessed, adn from there on each ritual that raises the mason up also accesses the split and more programming is done to him... by the time the mason is a 33rd degree, and there is higher degrees, he is MPD and wotn remember the shitty things he as done, even though some of his psyche, some of his MIND is, and has done, evil
They will swear masonry is for charity, that they are do gooders. its not true. Waht has been done to me became more apparent to me only about 2 years ago. My mum and sisters think im nuts, had me locked up (lasted 2 weeks) and they refuse to believe that anyting happened to me, that has ANYTHING to do with the lodge, still and will never believe me, even though i am not nuts, have sought out psychology help and psychologist says what ive told her is nt unusual and that in her opinion, i am not at all nuts, just was shocked and depressed when i realized the implications of what was done to me, which is that they are doing it to a lot of ppl thats a lot of tortures... and rapes.

[sofa king]

Are you very stupid? They OWN the police.. See the checkerboard over the door of tghe copshop and on the cop cars? This is masonic ownership symbol
Ive been victimised... i was drowned as a child by a cousin whose Dad was a freemason as was mine. My dad was a masonic leader, and I am not sure but i think he twigged that someting was fishy and tooke me and my Mum to the Uk, leaving five of their kids in Australia. I have some very odd memories that dont go with the rest of my childhood.
Waht was done to me was meant to make me MPD. They place programming in the shattered part of your mind... all i can tell you is that I remember trigger phrases used by my dad like "gangway Naval Officer" which spun me out when the Alice character in Eyes Wide Shut used the term, the presense of the naval officer made her want to have sex with him. Female offspring of masons can be triggered by men who know how to do this. Male children are also drowned or otherwise tortured, to split their minds. Later during initiation, the splits that were made when they were children are accessed, adn from there on each ritual that raises the mason up also accesses the split and more programming is done to him... by the time the mason is a 33rd degree, and there is higher degrees, he is MPD and wotn remember the shitty things he as done, even though some of his psyche, some of his MIND is, and has done, evil
They will swear masonry is for charity, that they are do gooders. its not true. Waht has been done to me became more apparent to me only about 2 years ago. My mum and sisters think im nuts, had me locked up (lasted 2 weeks) and they refuse to believe that anyting happened to me, that has ANYTHING to do with the lodge, still and will never believe me, even though i am not nuts, have sought out psychology help and psychologist says what ive told her is nt unusual and that in her opinion, i am not at all nuts, just was shocked and depressed when i realized the implications of what was done to me, which is that they are doing it to a lot of ppl thats a lot of tortures... and rapes.



bullshit

[grandsecretary]

I was drowned as a child by a cousin whose Dad was a freemason as was mine.

You have just entered ... the Twilight Zone.

Twilight Zone intro. - YouTube

[lucky1965]

i pity her more than anything else. she obviously needs professional helpbullshit

[sofa king]

i pity her more than anything else. she obviously needs professional help


by her own admission, her mother and sisters do not believe her. She cannot find a single person to believe her. The psychologist is just agreeing to keep the patient returning.

Very sad.

[purplepebble]

I have a question.

Why would David Icke be good friends with Stewart Swerdlow and associate himself with De Programmers like SS if such things did not happen?
Why would you be on a forum that focuses on such issues?


I have experienced similar things and have got to the point where I don't care anymore.
I don't care if people think I am nuts, I don't care if masons here or anyone else for that matter think that such experiences are fabricated.


I consider myself lucky because I am strong enough and have enough knoweldge of the Occult and how it can be used in negative ways, I understand the machinations of it all which has helped me overcome this type of stuff.

I am not going to be quiet about it and I am not going to be nice about it either. Especially to people who don't have the slightest idea what they are talking about. Why should I be. You think it is a joke?

So instead of being narrow minded and accusational, blowing off people that have experienced things that you may not have, doesn't render them nuts.

It just renders you ignorant, obviously uneducated in the Occult and lacking insight into Spiritual knowledge.

To be fully "illuminated", you have to understand the Light and it's counterpart.

So once you have done your research and have been through a few "dark" rituals yourselves then you can confidently dismiss "the nutters". But not until then.
;)

[sofa king]

Why would you be on a forum that focuses on such issues?


.



The Icke forum discusses a great many things. I am here because there are some subjects I am quite interested in. 9-11 et al.


If someone is here because they believe in 9-11, but do not believe in Freemen-on-the-Land, should they leave too?

[purplepebble]

The Icke forum discusses a great many things. I am here because there are some subjects I am quite interested in. 9-11 et al.


If someone is here because they believe in 9-11, but do not believe in Freemen-on-the-Land, should they leave too?

That is not my point. My point is that you and other masons (not all of them)
ridicule, belittle and humor yourselves on hearing other peoples less than fortunate experiences.

That is spiritual wickedness - and far from the holier than thou image that most masons here put forth. Furthermore the only thing you seem to be able to come up with is prescribing insanity for them.

Seeing that you are a mason, I assume that you have partaken in your fair share of rituals and understand the consequences and purposes of those rituals. Darker rites and rituals exist, you just dont want to look at the possibility.

Dont kid yourself, there are some rituals you wouldn't be able to handle.

[purplepebble]

.....

[sofa king]

That is not my point. My point is that you and other masons (not all of them)
ridicule, belittle and humor yourselves on hearing other peoples less than fortunate experiences.

That is spiritual wickedness - and far from the holier than thou image that most masons here put forth. Furthermore the only thing you seem to be able to come up with is prescribing insanity for them.

Seeing that you are a mason, I assume that you have partaken in your fair share of rituals and understand the consequences and purposes of those rituals. Darker rites and rituals exist, you just dont want to look at the possibility.

Dont kid yourself, there are some rituals you wouldn't be able to handle.


I never humour myself at someone's misfortune. However, when people show up here and on their first or second post tell outlandish stories of having thier masonic fathers offer them up to the lodge for sexual perversion, I will call that out as trollish behaviour. Why? Because these people quickly disappear after they make these outlandish statements. Clearly trollish behaviour.


As far as other rituals out there, of course there is. Virtually every group in existence has some type of initiation ritual. Some short and simple. Others lengthy and detailed. However, I am not interested in those rituals because I am not interested in those groups.

[purplepebble]

I never humour myself at someone's misfortune. However, when people show up here and on their first or second post tell outlandish stories of having thier masonic fathers offer them up to the lodge for sexual perversion, I will call that out as trollish behaviour. Why? Because these people quickly disappear after they make these outlandish statements. Clearly trollish behaviour.


As far as other rituals out there, of course there is. Virtually every group in existence has some type of initiation ritual. Some short and simple. Others lengthy and detailed. However, I am not interested in those rituals because I am not interested in those groups.



I am sure some of those people dont come back because of being ridiculed. I don't blame them. Are they trolls though? Do you know what to look for when it comes to someone who has been or is being used in rituals against their will? Have you ever even looked into that reality yourself and researched it?



is like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[psquared]

That is not my point. My point is that you and other masons (not all of them)
ridicule, belittle and humor yourselves on hearing other peoples less than fortunate experiences.

That is spiritual wickedness - and far from the holier than thou image that most masons here put forth. Furthermore the only thing you seem to be able to come up with is prescribing insanity for them.

Seeing that you are a mason, I assume that you have partaken in your fair share of rituals and understand the consequences and purposes of those rituals. Darker rites and rituals exist, you just dont want to look at the possibility.

Dont kid yourself, there are some rituals you wouldn't be able to handle.

Pebble, having been raised in "less than fortuante" experiences, I can assure you I wish that on no one. Didn't before I was a Mason, and don't after I have become a Mason. There is no joy to be gained , or shouldn't be, from agood and honest person having a "less than fortunate" situation effect their lives. I would never ridicule that.

[purplepebble]

Pebble, having been raised in "less than fortuante" experiences, I can assure you I wish that on no one. Didn't before I was a Mason, and don't after I have become a Mason. There is no joy to be gained , or shouldn't be, from agood and honest person having a "less than fortunate" situation effect their lives. I would never ridicule that.


Usually it is the ones who have had some kind of hardship that are a little more understanding and compassionate. Although you yourself may dismiss claims like mine or others.


Sofa King

I have never accused anyone here of being a Masonic troll, although I am sure there may be a few of those too. Whose to say your not one? It is probably really easy to be a Masonic troll, it isn't like you give anything of yourselves away to begin with, it isn't like you are all spreading your profound wisdom or knowledge to anyone. Besides the allegorical historical propaganda and the fact that there are no secrets, yet there are secrets, it is a religion, it isn't a religion, it is Christian, it is multi faith, it is godless, there are priests, there aren't priests....of course there isn't any room for "the dark side" in all of that..


Not everyone who has ever made such claims of abuse is a troll or a liar, just like every mason isn't a black magician.

[sofa king]

Not everyone who has ever made such claims of abuse is a troll or a liar, just like every mason isn't a black magician.



Wise words, and agreed 100%

Thank you.

[squidius]

Wise words, and agreed 100%

Thank you.


Brother - I suppose you are right! I hear the back lash and it really grips my Heart that so many malicious maniacs traverse this Planet... They blame ALL of their Worldly fall-shorts on Freemasonry like the Second Family wretch who blames ALL of his Life on Freemasonry.. I read that and I laugh but at the same time I cannot believe that a Man truly believes this stuff. That we would take the time to do something like this or even consider doing ANYTHING but positive things on this Planet. As you are well aware, we are forbidden to do anything that would compromise The Craft and I for one in my Daily walk of Life remember this and live by it. Whilst I am online that personality sort of goes out the Window and I fight the good fight... So, as you can see Freemasonry DOES NOT have ANY Jurisdiction whilst we are online just like there is NO POLICE online except for crime that would be done in the real World....

I am so saddened by all of this, but then I see glimmers of hope when Men like you and I are out there trying to be the best Masons we can be.. I respect your courage and I bid you safe travels to the East my Brother...

[sofa king]

Brother - I suppose you are right! I hear the back lash and it really grips my Heart that so many malicious maniacs traverse this Planet... They blame ALL of their Worldly fall-shorts on Freemasonry like the Second Family wretch who blames ALL of his Life on Freemasonry.. I read that and I laugh but at the same time I cannot believe that a Man truly believes this stuff. That we would take the time to do something like this or even consider doing ANYTHING but positive things on this Planet. As you are well aware, we are forbidden to do anything that would compromise The Craft and I for one in my Daily walk of Life remember this and live by it. Whilst I am online that personality sort of goes out the Window and I fight the good fight... So, as you can see Freemasonry DOES NOT have ANY Jurisdiction whilst we are online just like there is NO POLICE online except for crime that would be done in the real World....

I am so saddened by all of this, but then I see glimmers of hope when Men like you and I are out there trying to be the best Masons we can be.. I respect your courage and I bid you safe travels to the East my Brother...

Thank you for your words.

You summed up the situation at the beginning of your post with the word "blame". Sadly, some people will always be looking to blame their current situation on everyone but themselves.


As I have said to Stewart earlier in this thread, this is just an internet forum. Peple come here and spout of from every direction. This forum is not the real world. Yes I know I am rough around the edges. I'm okay with that because I know my deeds in the real world are genuine.

If we, as a society, all strove to do one nice thing each day for someone else, we would be looking at a much better place to live.

[stewart edwards]

As I have said to Stewart earlier in this thread, this is just an internet forum. Peple come here and spout of from every direction. This forum is not the real world.But it is a fairly accurate reflection of the real world. As I recently explained to Kadosh on here my community has ugle masons (though no ugle lodge), non ugle lodges and masons, and people who hold David Icke in high reagrd, as well as people who have "concerns" about masons and masonic behavious of the sorts that are often mentioned here. All in my little community. And everyone who posts here is in their own community somewhere, so it may be unwise to dismiss people here, for they could easily be your neighbour or your doctor.

Yes I know I am rough around the edges. I'm okay with that because I know my deeds in the real world are genuine.But your deeds here are also in the real world, for this forum is part of it. But as you are, as you admit yourself, "rough around the edges" this is what people see and form opinions on. Any and all good stuff you do elsewhere just isnt seen here, only the rough-bad stuff when you react. Perhaps now that you have admitted your problem of being "rough" you will endeavour to smooth your own ashlar and take a step up the old ladder.

If we, as a society, all strove to do one nice thing each day for someone else, we would be looking at a much better place to live.Indeed, and not only do I agree, I was writing this on the internet and in my books, a deacade ago.

There are many good men Sofa King who do great harm that is unnoticed to them by being "rough". One of the beauties of smoothing your ashlar (in a real way not simply words) is that you become more sensitive to the law of unintended consequences and how every single thing you say, write and do, can affect a myriad of people unconnected with you in ways that can be hard to see.

Now if I were your grand master I would be taking you aside and explaining to you in detail precisely how your actions on this forum have brought yourself and the Craft into disrepute (I certainly think less of freemasons and the ugle amity system because of your (though no where near solely your) behaviour), in the hope that you would reflect and smooth the "roughness". But I am not so I cant, but you owe it to yourself to your brothers and to the Craft to reflect on whether your "roughness" on the internet does more good or harm. If you really do Practice the Craft, then working on this will steer you in good stead, assuming that your lodge has taught you how to do this. The question is can you stomach taking this advice from a man who you have this year belittled, and recently called a cheat and a liar?

With still no appology for your disgraceful behaviour towards me now and earlier in the year. The question is will you still be being nasty to me in another six months time? Or will you have practiced the Craft and smoothed your ashlar in this regard?

While I have completely lost faith in ugle and amity freemasonry I do wish it well.

[sofa king]

I certainly think less of freemasons and the ugle amity system because of your (though no where near solely your) behaviour), in the hope that you would reflect and smooth the "roughness". But I am not so I cant, but you owe it to yourself to your brothers and to the Craft to reflect on whether your "roughness" on the internet does more good or harm. If you really do Practice the Craft, then working on this will steer you in good stead, assuming that your lodge has taught you how to do this. The question is can you stomach taking this advice from a man who you have this year belittled, and recently called a cheat and a liar?

With still no appology for your disgraceful behaviour towards me now and earlier in the year. The question is will you still be being nasty to me in another six months time? Or will you have practiced the Craft and smoothed your ashlar in this regard?

While I have completely lost faith in ugle and amity freemasonry I do wish it well.


Stewart, listen to yourself. You think less of masons as a whole because I called out your bullshit.

Guess what? Time to call yor latest ramblings bullshit as well. SOme anonymous guy on the internet called you a name so now you think less of the whole organization. Go cry to your mommy. This has got to be the biggest fucking lie yet, or you really are a fucking tool.

An apology? For what? Calling out your lies. Go fuck yourself. I would give up my apron before apoligizing to you.

Stewart, I don't apologize to lying sacks of shit.


And go quote this for posterity. We all know how you like to do that.

[stewart edwards]

Stewart, listen to yourself. You think less of masons as a whole because I called out your bullshit.

Guess what? Time to call yor latest ramblings bullshit as well. SOme anonymous guy on the internet called you a name so now you think less of the whole organization. Go cry to your mommy. This has got to be the biggest fucking lie yet, or you really are a fucking tool.

An apology? For what? Calling out your lies. Go fuck yourself. I would give up my apron before apoligizing to you.

Stewart, I don't apologize to lying sacks of shit.
And go quote this for posterity. We all know how you like to do that.Says it all really.

[kadosh]

While I have completely lost faith in ugle and amity freemasonry I do wish it well.
Thank you. Now will you please cease and desist from any further mention of the UGLE in your messages here and on the various fora that you post on. It does not serve any useful purpose. You have made your point so please give it a rest. We will manage ourselves very well without any further input being needed. Some may believe it to be well intended advice, however, it was not asked for and is not needed. This is not an invitation to start a conversation (there is nothing to discuss) but simply a request to stop using the name of the UGLE in future messages. Thank you.

[stewart edwards]

Thank you. Now will you please cease and desist from any further mention of the UGLE in your messages here and on the various fora that you post on. It does not serve any useful purpose. You have made your point so please give it a rest. We will manage ourselves very well without any further input being needed. Some may believe it to be well intended advice, however, it was not asked for and is not needed. This is not an invitation to start a conversation (there is nothing to discuss) but simply a request to stop using the name of the UGLE in future messages. Thank you.Kadosh, are you the Gestapo? I can not believe that you as a senior UGLE mason want to stifle freedom of speech. Anyhow should I feel it appropriate to comment on ugle especially the fact that I have lost faith in it due to the behaviour (sometimes face to face in person) of its members then I will say so. Instead of trying to silence me perhaps you should raise your standards so that people like me, and some of your own members for that matter, dont loose faith in it.

And you may be surpised to know that on occassion in the past some of your and indeed amity members have saught my help and asked for it and thanked me for it.

With regard to further input as you probably know I havent written to ugle nor helped its members since your revelation on here over religious intolerance coming on a year ago. About the only exception was a post on here the other day to you about issues you face in my community.

Anyhow Kadosh if my help hasnt been needed ask yourself this, why have some of your members come to me for help and a shoulder when your system let them down? Anyhow it all stopped a year ago now, so it is history.

I am saddened though that you appear to want to stifle free speech Kadosh.

And to think that I specificly credited ugle in some of my books. Actually I still would for on balance it is a positive force.

[ozpixie]

The last few posts make it clear that there is some kind of acrimonious personal history between some of the contributors. Please do not use this forum to express insults or other abusive language.

[stewart edwards]

Kadosh

Let me appologise to you, that came over harsher than I meant it to be. Sorry.

If you can do one thing, try your level best to recognise that there are areas within that do need to be addressed for the future health of the masonic system, and work hard so that in another 20 years time life is better.

Anyhow Kadosh I do genuinely wish you well.

best

Stewart

[stewart edwards]

Thank you. Now will you please cease and desist from any further mention of the UGLE in your messages here and on the various fora that you post on.Just in case anyone is using my name (or indeed their own same name) and you think that it is me, I only post to the following internet forums at this time:-

1. Here.
2. Chequered Pavement (masonic forum)
3. Masonic Path (very recent)
4. Tritalk (while freemasonry has come up from time to time and while I have taken grief there over my avatar [one chap thinks that I dont have the right to use it], I dont think that I mention any specific fraternity that often if at all, though I am willing to be corrected). You will see my avatar and the name "Slogging Scotsman".

Offhand I think that is it. Except for the BBC and local newspaper website story comments, and my past published, including several lead, letter contributions in the UK national press, professional magazines and even popular mags (FHM on aliens would you believe:eek::D).

I have in the past conrtibuted to other masonic and non masonic forums, but not for quite some time now.

[psquared]

The last few posts make it clear that there is some kind of acrimonious personal history between some of the contributors. Please do not use this forum to express insults or other abusive language.

LOL...that's pretty much happening in every thread. As a Mason on this thread I have remained respectful and have been called everything in the book! I think your request for people to not use this forum for personal insult and abusive language falls on deaf ears though.

Maybe if you started banning folks who cannot argue/debate their point without personal insult and abusive language you'd solve your issue with it.

Thanks