What is 'nothing'

[magicmerlin]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

[lenejento]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'.......and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

Isn't nothing exacly that, nothing, so what's the point in trying to figure out 'what exacly is nothing'?

[tejas]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

Nothing and everything ARE exactly the same thing! Thats exactly the conclusion I came to. Infinity is equal to zero, and only this 'zero' really exists.

http://godconsciousness.com/nothingdescription.htm

All theorys created by a finite mind however :rolleyes:

[blowininthewind]

things can only exist in space and in time so to imagine no-thing is to imply existence outside of space and time, so nothing is all that exists outside of space and time, which includes our own true being

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What is 'nothing'

nothing

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Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum.
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Tribal Rythm
User ID: 326208
11/14/2007 4:36 AM_________ Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum.


Everyone. Get a drum, get your friends, family and people you don't even know to get a drum and beat your words out as thoughts. Watch your attitude change. Feel your vibrations rise above all the BS out there. Get a drum. Buy one at a pow wow or make your own.
Get a half wine barrel and stretch a skin over it. A 44 or 55gal drum. A hollow log.
You have no idea how powerful it can be as a communication device. The whole universe can hear it and understand it.
When your freedom of speech is gone, get a drum and beat out that Tribal Rythm from the heart.
It's the heartbeat, the heartbeat, the heartbeat, the heartbeat, the heartbeat.

SatiricAxiom
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11/14/2007 4:50 AM Re: Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum. Quote



floydian slip
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11/14/2007 5:05 AM Re: Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum. Quote

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Zodeva
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11/14/2007 5:36 AM
Re: Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum. Quote

I have always loved Micheal Shrieve. Extrordinary talent! Thanks for the reminder :-)

Anonymous Coward
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11/14/2007 10:51 AM Re: Words failing? Get a drum ! A big f*****g drum. Quote

i got a drum. i'm a guitarist, but for getting the angst and stress out, the drums the one. love it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1JCVs7bCec

[eternal_spirit]

What is 'nothing'

Exactley what it says. Like no money etc etc etc.

[sunyatta60]

Ok being in a Philosophical mood Nothing is Everything which is why Infinity is represented by the circle and it has no beginning and no end.
Divide any number greater than Zero by Zero and you end up with infinity which Cosmologist hate.

The Void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is Absolute
Consciousness; much more than even Universal Intelligence.
Mellen Benidict Thomas

If you look at zero you see nothing;
but look through it and you will see the world.
Robert Kaplan

The observer - which is pure consciousness - is permeating the whole universe and, here is the first bit which you might find a little hard to accept at first - the act of observation creates the object under observation. Wow this is a deep one, it implies that if there were no observation there would be nothing to observe. Consciousness itself is creating the manifest universe.
Tycho Photiou

Some scientists have proposed the idea that the universe is a quantum fluctuation of
nothing. But what causes “the nothing” to undergo a quantum fluctuation?
Tycho Photiou

I find it interesting that the number zero has no value and yet it is the most powerful of all numbers, and mathematics, as we know it, couldn’t exist without it.
Tycho Photiou

Zero is the eternally existing nothing-ness that contains within it the potentiality of everything.
Kenneth Meadows

Everything is Nothing.
David A. Chalmers

We don’t have energy, we create energy by the process of consideration.
David A. Chalmers

FATE can be a acronym for “from all thoughts everywhere”’
In other words the consciousness of the planet.
Neale Donald Walsch

External reality is the sum total of all the considerations made by everybody.
David A. Chalmers

All there is in the universe is observation.
Tycho Photiou

"Reality" is what we take to be true. What we take to be true is what we believe. What we believe is based upon our perceptions. What we perceive depends on what we look for. What we look for depends on what we think. What we think depends on what we perceive. What we perceive determines what we believe. What we believe determines what we take to be true. What we take to be true is our reality."
Gary Zukov

Black holes result from God dividing the universe by zero.
Author Unknown

All around I see Nothing pretending to be Something,
Emptiness pretending to be Fullness.
Confucious

A common man marvels at uncommon things;
a wise man marvels at the commonplace.
Confucious

[hagbard_celine]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:


In quantum theory there's no such thing as "nothing". Even the very void of non-eistance has potential and vitality. It's quite in line with intuition actually.:)

[klinker]

Nothing is nothing more than a word. ;)

[sunyatta60]

People either hate Plato or Love him he was the first Westner to tackle this question and he was the one who painted the paradox. Everything is Nothing it can be demonstrated Mathematically. On another board I was in debate with a retired surgeon on this question of What is reality and pointed out that Dualism portrayed by Descartes is False.
Using Occam's Razor I hit on 1 + 0 = 1 which shows that there are not 6 billion minds out there but that we are all manifestations of the One Mind.
So God plus Nothing equals God. Some people dislike the word God it is tainted with negativity I use it for Conventions sake. But I really mean Mind.
Just to confuse the issue the more complex Maths showing that zero equals infinity I offered the following equation:

A circle represents a boundary (a point on a plane a fixed distance from a fixed point, the upper limit of a rotated vector)It only represents infinity when the movable point is zero, and the fixed point is negative

Infinity is an upper limit, and zero a lower limit (scalars)

Any number greater than zero divided by zero is infinity.


Zero is the eternally existing nothing-ness that contains within it the potentiality of everything.
Kenneth Meadows

Ok, now for some simple maths that demonstrate my premise ;)

we all know that:

e^(i * pi) = -1

(if not, wiki it, it's Euler's identity) of course, that means,

e^(pi * i) = -1

which means,

(e^(pi * i))^2 = (-1)^2

which, of course, means,

e^(2 * pi * i) = 1

right?

(I derived that for all that don't know the mathematical reasoning it's true. It's simply a unit vector at theta equals 2*pi, which of course is simple 1.)

But, watch what happens when I take the ln of both sides:

ln(e^(2 * pi * i)) = ln(1)

which implies,

2 * pi * i = 0 !!!

dividing both sides by pi*i, this implies,

2 = 0 / (pi * i)

which means that,

2 = 0 !!!!


I find it interesting that the number zero has no value and yet it is the most powerful of all numbers, and mathematics, as we know it, couldn't exist without it.
Tycho Photiou

And that takes us to the heart of everything instead of asking is all an illusion we need to be asking Does an Objective Independent Reality Exist outside of the Self i.e The Mind the answer can only be NO!!!

[goatboyhicks]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

you can´t make nothing into something, or into an object of knowledge.

[lenejento]

If we could figure out what nothing is it would be something.

[popeye11]

:)No-thing except for black, blacker than anything we experience here and everything is drawn out of it by the creative portion of ourselves singularly and in mass.

[lenejento]

:)No-thing except for black, blacker than anything we experience here and everything is drawn out of it by the creative portion of ourselves singularly and in mass.

Isn't black something? :confused::eek:

[irak]

nothing is absence of anything, therefor it doesn't and can't exist :)

[lenejento]

Nothing, no-thing = consciousness

[sunyatta60]

Nothing, no-thing = consciousness

Nope, Consciousness is Something. No thing equates to Unconsciousness because in the Unconscious state you are oblivious to Anything.

[lenejento]

Nothing, no-thing = consciousness

Nope, Consciousness is Something. No thing equates to Unconsciousness because in the Unconscious state you are oblivious to Anything.

What is consciousness exacly then?

[sunyatta60]

What is consciousness exacly then?

In Neuro Science that is the Million Dollar Question different people have different definitions I know one thing though, it does not come from the brain like most Western Brain Scientist claim. ;)

Consciousness is an illusion constructed by the memes.
DR Susan Blackmore

Consciousness is the ground of all being
Amit Goswami

[intruder]

you're turning nothing into something again!!

Can you grasp it?

There's nothing that you need to understand....

[sunyatta60]

you're turning nothing into something again!!

Can you grasp it?

There's nothing that you need to understand....

Who u talking to? The real surprise is that there is no one else here :D

[drael]

One of my theories...

"Nothing" and "Something" are both improbable and impossible - they are unstable. Nothing is the absence of all form and existance (it has no colour, no shape, no dimensions). Something is pure energy, pure unity, like some peoples concept of god - the ultimate singularity. Sitting beside each other, both unstable, they both got together, had "babies" and hence the universe....a little something, a little nothing....

[ichi wa zen]

Nothing has to be something for if it would be really nothing would it have a name? Would we able to speak of it? You cant speak of nothing for it becomes something.

So nothing is something, nothing cannot be nothing for as soon as you speak of it or write it down it becomes something.

Therefore the true definition of nothing cannot be explain in words or thoughts :p

[kblood]

Nothing is a term we have made to use for measuring, just like zero and infinite, to have the extremes. What many does not seem to figure out is that both zero and infinite is impossibilities. I would call them opposites.

Zero is only possible in theory, that we have 3 apples or no apples f.ex. But in the actuall world, zero is impossible to find. Maybe there are measurements close to zero. Maybe it is 0.000000001 degrees? But it isnt absolute zero.

If you take an equation, then it is my belief that an equation "crosses over" at infiniti on its graph, and goes from either + to minus or - to plus numbers. Then the graph goes all the way back to zero where it crosses from one to the other again.

So in our world, no I do not believe nothing really exists. Aether is probably where we believe nothing to be.

By the way, black holes being gods divide by zero in space... nice quote there :)

[boston c danmark]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

its 2010, you learn anything more about nothing or everything?

[codie]

Nothing has to be something for if it would be really nothing would it have a name? Would we able to speak of it? You cant speak of nothing for it becomes something.

So nothing is something, nothing cannot be nothing for as soon as you speak of it or write it down it becomes something.

Therefore the true definition of nothing cannot be explain in words or thoughts :p


i do believe i concur :)

[infinite tea]

peace. silence. harmony. effortless.

[f13ticket]

If you think deeply about reality, you may come to the conclusion that everything is an illusion and that there is really 'nothing'. However, for a while I thought about, 'what exactly is nothing'........and I came up with the concept of the typical black abyss......however, I'm now starting to realise that nothing is itself an illusion, because both 'nothing' and 'everything' could just as easily be defined as nothing - I mean, who is to say that nothing isn't a black abyss, it's in fact pink or green.......or maybe we are already nothing (and everything).:confused:

I would like to say thank you for asking such an important question. And I would also like to thank all those who have answered. I am not yet sure if any of these answers really sit right with me. But they have been very interesting to read. Really, the answer to this question is tied into the current question that has been vexing me. The question of whether or not Oneness can kill itself / die is to ask it it can render itself to nothing. Thus, if nothing does exist, so to speak, then that works heavily in my question. If nothing does not exist, then Oneness can never die as it can never be what does and can not exist. If nothing does exist, then perhaps Oneness can become it.

[nectars]

Nothing - no-thing - no form. Formlessness or the potential of the unmanifest.

[kronoix]

Nothing is a term we have made to use for measuring, just like zero and infinite, to have the extremes

Thanks for just answering one of my life questions :D