The Mind...

[tusme]

Is an electro-chemical organ...everything interpreted outside of it exists as electrical signals (energy) inside of it...

[tusme]

As a kid, while in a dentist chair, those electrical signals literally appeared as intermittent white flashes travelling at speed, with a black background...

Figuratively speaking, imho, the Mind resembles a "magnetic mirror"...

[ianw]

There is a stream of photons between star and recipients eye.
Each photon is destined to be seen only once and manifests after traveling through the dark void and that is in the eye of the beholder.
Another eye may look across the path of this stream and see only darkness before it sees its own star. The darkness is full of unseen light.
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/ianw_2010/te.jpg

[phemohilia]

As a kid, while in a dentist chair, those electrical signals literally appeared as intermittent white flashes travelling at speed, with a black background...

Figuratively speaking, imho, the Mind resembles a "magnetic mirror"...


Nitrous Oxide FTW!!!! :D

[tusme]

There is a stream of photons between star and recipients eye.
Each photon is destined to be seen only once and manifests after traveling through the dark void and that is in the eye of the beholder.
Another eye may look across the path of this stream and see only darkness before it sees its own star. The darkness is full of unseen light.
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/ianw_2010/te.jpg
Hmm, interesting pic...!! :cool: :)

The Mind's existence/vibrations is subject to physical dimension principles/conditions, ie, freewill, relativity, duality, gravity, space & time, etc..."darkness", thus, is a relative condition, & of-course, regardless of whatever photons exists, if the background (of your pic) were changed from black to white, only the "red" would be decipherable...no!?

[tusme]

Nitrous Oxide FTW!!!! :D
:D Best way to describe it, like observing a motorway at night...no cars though, only flashes of light passing... :eek: :)

[agneau]

Is an electro-chemical organ...everything interpreted outside of it exists as electrical signals (energy) inside of it...

Lots to talk about here - looks like a good opener for a debate on the nature of reality.

For instance, saying that everything outside of it exists as electrical signals inside of it suggets that one 'thing' can exist in two places simultaneously.

But does the subjective perception of a thing not change the nature of the thing being observed? Therefore the thing no longer exists in duality becasue it is made into a different thing by the action of being observed.

But then does a thing really exist before it is observed? Does the act of observance bring about it's existance because before that it could not be described and therefore did not exist in our existance?

The truth , of course, is that everything that is, exists. We percieve that which exists through our senses and it is described to us by the brain's interpretation of the electricalo stimuli it receives. The object does not exist in our mind, just the sense of it.

[wthree]

Essentially, 'we' don't have thoughts. 'We' dont experience the world. All that happens is when neurons fire off, we experience it, and it 'feels' like a memory or a thought.

[merlincove]

As a kid, while in a dentist chair, those electrical signals literally appeared as intermittent white flashes travelling at speed, with a black background...

Figuratively speaking, imho, the Mind resembles a "magnetic mirror"...

:D

Sometimes i catch a glimpse of the electrical input as streams of data flowing from the future, manifesting in the now as solidity, like a stream of energy moving into the past. Not unlike the matrix imagery of data flow:

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/TheMatrixWallpaper800.jpg

Although when i experience it, rather than moving from top to bottom, the energy moves from in front of me, through me.

And, rather than being a still construct with time moving around me, i see that time is still and i, as a manifest being, am the one who moves, so the stream of data i see is actually stationary, and it is my perception of it that changes it - as i approach it it becomes manifest for a fraction of interaction (even if the only interaction is that i see / hear / sense it) and then fades as i continue to move through the still data stream.

i hope that makes some kinda sense?

:D

Love the OP, tsume - hits the nail on the head perfectly my friend :D

[freedom1st]

:D

Sometimes i catch a glimpse of the electrical input as streams of data flowing from the future, manifesting in the now as solidity, like a stream of energy moving into the past. Not unlike the matrix imagery of data flow:

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/TheMatrixWallpaper800.jpg

Although when i experience it, rather than moving from top to bottom, the energy moves from in front of me, through me.

And, rather than being a still construct with time moving around me, i see that time is still and i, as a manifest being, am the one who moves, so the stream of data i see is actually stationary, and it is my perception of it that changes it - as i approach it it becomes manifest for a fraction of interaction (even if the only interaction is that i see / hear / sense it) and then fades as i continue to move through the still data stream.

i hope that makes some kinda sense?

:D

Love the OP, tsume - hits the nail on the head perfectly my friend :D

In my world that's an LSD exsperience :D

[merlincove]

In my world that's an LSD exsperience :D

You can have LSD experiences without LSD though :D

I've not tried it for the longest time (seems that way) but meditation and proper application of the breath can gift us with far more alluring visions of reality than almost any drug (exception of [perhaps] ayahuasca and peyote) :D

[fallenfaith]

:D

Sometimes i catch a glimpse of the electrical input as streams of data flowing from the future, manifesting in the now as solidity, like a stream of energy moving into the past. Not unlike the matrix imagery of data flow:

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/TheMatrixWallpaper800.jpg

Although when i experience it, rather than moving from top to bottom, the energy moves from in front of me, through me.

And, rather than being a still construct with time moving around me, i see that time is still and i, as a manifest being, am the one who moves, so the stream of data i see is actually stationary, and it is my perception of it that changes it - as i approach it it becomes manifest for a fraction of interaction (even if the only interaction is that i see / hear / sense it) and then fades as i continue to move through the still data stream.

i hope that makes some kinda sense?

:D

Love the OP, tsume - hits the nail on the head perfectly my friend :D

Yes me too, and I don't take LSD either :D

~Peace~

[ianw]

Hmm, interesting pic...!! :cool: :)

The Mind's existence/vibrations is subject to physical dimension principles/conditions, ie, freewill, relativity, duality, gravity, space & time, etc..."darkness", thus, is a relative condition, & of-course, regardless of whatever photons exists, if the background (of your pic) were changed from black to white, only the "red" would be decipherable...no!?

The black and white in the pic are only an depiction of duality.

The red is there to highlight the opposing images are a mirror.

And if the photons/vibrations/duality did not exist there would be no

image red or other color in the minds eye.

Gravity, and relativity (do you mean depth of perception?) can be a illusionary sensation

of the 'lens' minds eye that is so infinitely flat it does not exist,

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/ianw_2010/crop1.jpg

[astrochicken]

I get this all the fucking time staring at the night sky

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_288/121585167619GtWh.jpg



The ripples even arrive with whoosh and it's like surfing, you can feel yourself get energized and bobbing up and down.


All drug-free i might add!!

[armoured_amazon]

In my world that's an LSD exsperience :D

.:D

[tarant8l]

All that crap is default mind. The original mind lies hidden.

[freedom1st]

You can have LSD experiences without LSD though :D

I've not tried it for the longest time (seems that way) but meditation and proper application of the breath can gift us with far more alluring visions of reality than almost any drug (exception of [perhaps] ayahuasca and peyote) :D

I believe you.:D No, I really do, my problem is that I'm not doing the meditation when I know I should. And I do believe the natural high is far superior if you can achieve it - I'll keep trying for that.
Btw, last time I did LSD was more than 20 years ago.

[tusme]

Lots to talk about here - looks like a good opener for a debate on the nature of reality.
I concur...!! :)

For instance, saying that everything outside of it exists as electrical signals inside of it suggets that one 'thing' can exist in two places simultaneously.

But does the subjective perception of a thing not change the nature of the thing being observed? Therefore the thing no longer exists in duality becasue it is made into a different thing by the action of being observed.

But then does a thing really exist before it is observed? Does the act of observance bring about it's existance because before that it could not be described and therefore did not exist in our existance?
Well, thats not qute what I said...however, with your logic, nevermind "existing in two places simultaneously", it may was well exist as a fractal...ie, infinitely... :rolleyes: :)

The truth , of course, is that everything that is, exists. We percieve that which exists through our senses and it is described to us by the brain's interpretation of the electricalo stimuli it receives. The object does not exist in our mind, just the sense of it.
I would agree with that...however, when the Mind interprets anything which exists, it does so energetically...meaning, its energy vibrations becomes one with the truth of whatever that existence might be...if that makes sense at all...!? :)

[tusme]

Essentially, 'we' don't have thoughts. 'We' dont experience the world. All that happens is when neurons fire off, we experience it, and it 'feels' like a memory or a thought.
Bit of a contradiction there, re, "experiences"... :p

Those under mind-control, too have "neurons firing off", are they necessarily the type of neurons which keeps the Mind at it's natural state...!? Hmm, don't think so...

A "memory/thought" is merely an energy (electrical signal) vibrating through an previously known frequency...imho. :)

[tusme]

:D

Sometimes i catch a glimpse of the electrical input as streams of data flowing from the future, manifesting in the now as solidity, like a stream of energy moving into the past. Not unlike the matrix imagery of data flow:

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv35/merlincove/TheMatrixWallpaper800.jpg

Although when i experience it, rather than moving from top to bottom, the energy moves from in front of me, through me.

And, rather than being a still construct with time moving around me, i see that time is still and i, as a manifest being, am the one who moves, so the stream of data i see is actually stationary, and it is my perception of it that changes it - as i approach it it becomes manifest for a fraction of interaction (even if the only interaction is that i see / hear / sense it) and then fades as i continue to move through the still data stream.

i hope that makes some kinda sense?

:D

Love the OP, tsume - hits the nail on the head perfectly my friend :D
Wow!! Your the ONE!! :D ...think I've just seen Merlincove in HDD... :eek: :D

Makes absolute sense, mate...cheers!! :cool: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif :)

[tusme]

The black and white in the pic are only an depiction of duality.

The red is there to highlight the opposing images are a mirror.

And if the photons/vibrations/duality did not exist there would be no

image red or other color in the minds eye.

Gravity, and relativity (do you mean depth of perception?) can be a illusionary sensation

of the 'lens' minds eye that is so infinitely flat it does not exist,

http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae14/ianw_2010/crop1.jpg
Hence I said, "interesting pic"... :)

It is now widely accepted that we exist within a Holographic Universe, which if true (& I agree), proves how truly amazing the Mind really is...yes, even though "it" created the mess we're in... :D

The Mind's natural state is Truth (energy), is its purpose and the reason it exists...

Even if the Mind understood every principle/condition of this Physical dimension or physical being but not Truth energy itself, then, it simply means that such a Mind is still not able to vibrate beyond what I understand to be the "magnetic mirror", as referred to in post #2...

When the Mind reaches that level of awareness (Truth), all energy throughout the Mind/Body, even though it still primarily exists/vibrates as physical energy will instinctively become aware of it's consciousness beyond the Physical dimension principles/conditions...thus, a very powerful experience/expression of Spiritual Truth will be manifested through such a Mind/Body...or, as Physical Truth...

Hope that made sense...!? :)

[tusme]

matrix - YouTube

[tusme]

In the absence of Truth, the Mind is but a prison without bars...

[tzikin]

Hopefully when we get to the 4th and 5th levels of consciousness (some call them dimensions) our minds will be free.

I go down the Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Castaneda, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy route.

They believe the unpopular, that our emotions are our prison and that mental feedom only comes when all emotions are eradicated

All emotions are taught. They are not our own

Those that say that having emotions is the difference between them and a computer, what makes them so special as a human being are wrong. The emotions are a computer. They are all programmed.

The difference between the emotions and a computer is that the computer will have been deliberately programmed by qualified people working together. Our emotions have been programmed by a thousand incompetent programmers, all trying to program different things into us and half of them are programming exactly the opposite of what they intended to do

No wonder our emotions are such a mess!

It is simple. We learn our emotions by example. We might criticise that example in our minds but our emotions simply accept them as the way of the world and force us to follow them unthinkingly

The worst brainwashing out there is the belief that our emotions are important and that they make us special individuals and so we must obey them.

Well that would be the first thing that society wants. It is using the programming of emotions to control us!

[tusme]

Hopefully when we get to the 4th and 5th levels of consciousness (some call them dimensions) our minds will be free.

I go down the Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Castaneda, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy route.

They believe the unpopular, that our emotions are our prison and that mental feedom only comes when all emotions are eradicated

All emotions are taught. They are not our own

Those that say that having emotions is the difference between them and a computer, what makes them so special as a human being are wrong. The emotions are a computer. They are all programmed.

The difference between the emotions and a computer is that the computer will have been deliberately programmed by qualified people working together. Our emotions have been programmed by a thousand incompetent programmers, all trying to program different things into us and half of them are programming exactly the opposite of what they intended to do

No wonder our emotions are such a mess!

It is simple. We learn our emotions by example. We might criticise that example in our minds but our emotions simply accept them as the way of the world and force us to follow them unthinkingly

The worst brainwashing out there is the belief that our emotions are important and that they make us special individuals and so we must obey them.

Well that would be the first thing that society wants. It is using the programming of emotions to control us!
Interesting... :)

Emotions, imho, is merely, a Mind condition...true, "emotion" can be a method of control, however, nothing wrong with choosing to experience/express it, is there...!? :)

[tzikin]

Interesting... :)

Emotions, imho, is merely, a Mind condition...true, "emotion" can be a method of control, however, nothing wrong with choosing to experience/express it, is there...!? :)

Somehow three pages appeared before my post got to you so sorry it was out of order.

I love the magnetic mirror description of the the mind. we move with our reflection and vice versa. The argument about reality is which is the object and which is the reflection.

The mind is the body, its magnetic reflection lying in the same three dimensional coordinates but in a different relationship to time.

Plenty of evidence is available for the whole body thinking but sorry guys, I did not find it on the web.

What I can tell you is that medicine has a dark and nearly forgotten secret on this matter. The control of the growth of cells, healing and regeneration, how cells know when to divide and which cells they must differentiate into is an electromagnetic template. It is effectively a moving, growing three dimensional photograph and even a snapshot is many terabytes.
DNA has a maximum capacity of 750 meg so our electro-magnetic template is certainly not in there.
The brain does not have enough storage capacity, there is no area that has been identified to account for this and anyway, how would the brain have known how to grow in the first place.
This electromagnetic template comes from an intangible source, blowing the whole chemical anatomical model of medicine and justifying all mind body work.

So does our expert who believes that thought is nothing more than the firing of neurones include these scientific facts in his science?

Merlincove just produced the best description I have heard of the experience of the fifth dimension and how time works there. I think that we are looking forwards to life being like that for everybody who can make the jump in the very near future.

As to emotions, its fine if you only experience them and express them. The problem is when people allow them to control them, their bodies and their conscious thought.
Conscious thought is from a higher level.
However, there is something beyond conscious thought that Samuel Sagan of Clairvision describes as sentiment. It is also the source of intuition.

Sentiment and intuition are pure and to put it frankly, quite wonderful.

The problem is that they are often (and often deliberately) confused with emotion and programmed emotional over reaction.

One way to tell is the speed. sentiment and intuition come slowly, emotion is immediate and happens before thought. Ouspensky explains this at length.

There is also the density. Emotion controls our physiological stress reactions. It is dense and noisy, leaving no room for doubt. Emotions are overpowering and certain. We shout them.

Intuition and sensation are quiet. They come in the silence and what an emotion would manifest as fear is a just an unsettling feeling that we cannot understand, that confused us.

[tzikin]

Has everybody lost interest in the mind?
Three pages is a bit pathetic for alleged truthseekers. How can you understand truth unless you understand your own mind?

[exford]

Has everybody lost interest in the mind?
Three pages is a bit pathetic for alleged truthseekers. How can you understand truth unless you understand your own mind?

Welcome to the DI forum..:D

[lizzyking]

http://brantlarsen.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/brains-electrical-signals.jpg

Sweet Emotion - Aerosmith - YouTube

[armoured_amazon]

Welcome to the DI forum..:D

Hehe :D

[lizzyking]

Are you an INTJ, tzikin?

Here is a blog you might enjoy, some food for thought here.


http://teleconsciousness.blogspot.com/

[tusme]

Has everybody lost interest in the mind?
Three pages is a bit pathetic for alleged truthseekers. How can you understand truth unless you understand your own mind?
Not at all, apologies Tzikin...!! :)

[tusme]

Somehow three pages appeared before my post got to you so sorry it was out of order.
No probs. ;)

I love the magnetic mirror description of the the mind. we move with our reflection and vice versa. The argument about reality is which is the object and which is the reflection.
Everything is energy, and all energy is connected...in the case of the Mind, energy manifests as either experience or expression, otherwise (connected) events...

The mind is the body, its magnetic reflection lying in the same three dimensional coordinates but in a different relationship to time.
The Mind's (& Body) energy only exist/vibrates in the NOW, between the periods of "birth & death"...depending on its relationship with Truth energy, such will be its magnetic reflection...

Plenty of evidence is available for the whole body thinking but sorry guys, I did not find it on the web.
Everything about the body, ie, blood, skin, hair, organs, thoughts, etc, etc, is energy, thus, vibrate at their own unique frequency...all of which, whether it (Mind/Body) aware of this or not, is subject to Truth energy...

What I can tell you is that medicine has a dark and nearly forgotten secret on this matter. The control of the growth of cells, healing and regeneration, how cells know when to divide and which cells they must differentiate into is an electromagnetic template. It is effectively a moving, growing three dimensional photograph and even a snapshot is many terabytes.
DNA has a maximum capacity of 750 meg so our electro-magnetic template is certainly not in there.
The brain does not have enough storage capacity, there is no area that has been identified to account for this and anyway, how would the brain have known how to grow in the first place.
This electromagnetic template comes from an intangible source, blowing the whole chemical anatomical model of medicine and justifying all mind body work.
Energetically, it is virtually impossible to tell the "capacity of the brain"...ti's only when observing it's physical experience/expression or manifestation that we consider the brain "incapable" of things as you mention above...

So does our expert who believes that thought is nothing more than the firing of neurones include these scientific facts in his science?
I'm not the expert, sorry... :p

Merlincove just produced the best description I have heard of the experience of the fifth dimension and how time works there. I think that we are looking forwards to life being like that for everybody who can make the jump in the very near future.
I agree. Although, imho, think it's always been possible, "for everybody to make that jump"...individually (& collectively) we've just not realised it yet...

As to emotions, its fine if you only experience them and express them. The problem is when people allow them to control them, their bodies and their conscious thought.
Conscious thought is from a higher level.

Makes absolute sense... :cool:

However, there is something beyond conscious thought that Samuel Sagan of Clairvision describes as sentiment. It is also the source of intuition.

Sentiment and intuition are pure and to put it frankly, quite wonderful.
I would disagree with that...

"Conscious thought", imho, is the Mind's awareness of it's connection with all other existing energy...

"Sentiment", on the other hand, as I understand it, requires the Mind to subjectively process a thought (energy) appreciate/understand the original thought...if that makes sense at all? :)

The problem is that they are often (and often deliberately) confused with emotion and programmed emotional over reaction.

One way to tell is the speed. sentiment and intuition come slowly, emotion is immediate and happens before thought. Ouspensky explains this at length.
Energetically, when the Mind (& Body) vibrations are elevated to the Truth (energy) frequency, however manifested, is exactly the reflection that was always destined to be experienced/expressed...

There is also the density. Emotion controls our physiological stress reactions. It is dense and noisy, leaving no room for doubt. Emotions are overpowering and certain. We shout them.

Intuition and sensation are quiet. They come in the silence and what an emotion would manifest as fear is a just an unsettling feeling that we cannot understand, that confused us.
Yep. :)

Again, when the Mind/Body becomes conscious of it's existence as a Truth being, every cell (energy) will then vibrate at that level/frequency...which case, impossible for "emotion" or any other physical dimension conditions to "control" the Mind/Body...

[montag]

But does the subjective perception of a thing not change the nature of the thing being observed?
Absolutely, the brain will sometimes correct sensory input that doesn't confirm to our subconscious belief patterns, this clip is a wonderful example..

Charlie Chaplin Optic Illusion - YouTube

Charlie Chaplin Optic Illusion - YouTube

[montag]

Washington - A man with an unusually tiny brain managed to live an entirely normal life despite his condition, caused by a fluid buildup in his skull, French researchers reported. Scans of the 44-year-old man's brain showed that a huge fluid-filled chamber called a ventricle took up most of the room in his skull, leaving little more than a thin sheet of actual brain tissue. "He was a married father of 2 children, and worked as a civil servant," Dr Lionel Feuillet and colleagues at the Universite de la Mediterranee in Marseille wrote in a letter to the The Lancet medical journal.

more.. (http://www.flatrock.org.nz/topics/science/is_the_brain_really_necessary.htm)

[mauviene]

The mind is the delusion of the human race..


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[tzikin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tzikin
So does our expert who believes that thought is nothing more than the firing of neurones include these scientific facts in his science?

By Tusme
I'm not the expert, sorry...

No, it was aimed at pseudoscientific trolls who see the word mind and immediately think that it is synonymous with the brain. They have been mind controlled by science to believe that it is everything, regardless of the evidence and the fundamentals of the good practice of science.

I am not sure of this 'energy is everything' argument.

I have another hypothesis....

The difference between Newtonian and Quantum physics when the observations are made. Newtonian physics, like our own five senses, measures what has already happened and a solid and predictable world. Quantum physics, coincidentally because they are looking at very small fast particles, is measuring very close to now, the moment that things are actually happening and completely different physical laws apply. That is where energy exists.

In M Theory, that gives us two three dimensional spaces with different physics that are laid on top of one another. It predicts a third three dimensional space with a different physics exists just before the moment of now. It am lead to believe that we could call this structure rather than energy or matter.

In this model, increasing vibrational frequency actually refers to the relationship of our perception to now. The first three dimensions only see what has happened. The fourth sees what is happening. Fifth to seven dimension sees what is about to happen.

So structure, energy and matter all exist and are equals. They are different perceptions of the same thing really.

Thought is structure and not energy in this model but it is then filled by energy.

True thought comes from the fifth dimension which is where we find our spirit. This is the origin of the electromagnetic template and our intuition or sentiment that I described above. It is instant knowing of the truth or the right thing to do.

Third level thought is linear logic based on insufficient details.

Second level thought is copying with no understanding, hence emotion.

First level thought is just instinctive reaction.

You may note that this ties into the Chakra system, which for me is the best system of the workings of the mind that we have...

[edit]

Is an electro-chemical organ...everything interpreted outside of it exists as electrical signals (energy) inside of it...

and that would mean reverberation of speech, right? or time ...of the ancients who said..
so&so.. UNIVERSE is The Mind and it reverberates the speech which is gone
( The Speech as ..the missing anti-meter of the universe)
see for yeselves Today? http://i50.tinypic.com/1567c5h.jpg
As written at PRASANTHI NILAYAM




3rd November 2010

Speech is a beautiful instrument that is gifted to man for uplifting himself. Speech is charged with tremendous power. Through the choice of our words, we can communicate to a person something which upsets their balance or shocks them into grief; the words then completely drain off their physical strength and mental courage. They fall on the ground, unable to stand. On the other hand, when through speech, we communicate something happy, or cheer them, they get the strength of an elephant. Words do not cost anything, but they are priceless. So they have to be used with care. They must be employed not for gossip, which is barren, but for pure and productive purposes only. The ancients recommended the vow of silence in order to purify speech of its evils. A mind turned inwards towards an inner vision of God and speech turned towards outer vision, both will promote spiritual strength and success.

- BABAOM (aum) - YouTube
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[tusme]

No, it was aimed at pseudoscientific trolls who see the word mind and immediately think that it is synonymous with the brain. They have been mind controlled by science to believe that it is everything, regardless of the evidence and the fundamentals of the good practice of science.

I am not sure of this 'energy is everything' argument.

I have another hypothesis....

The difference between Newtonian and Quantum physics when the observations are made. Newtonian physics, like our own five senses, measures what has already happened and a solid and predictable world. Quantum physics, coincidentally because they are looking at very small fast particles, is measuring very close to now, the moment that things are actually happening and completely different physical laws apply. That is where energy exists.

In M Theory, that gives us two three dimensional spaces with different physics that are laid on top of one another. It predicts a third three dimensional space with a different physics exists just before the moment of now. It am lead to believe that we could call this structure rather than energy or matter.

In this model, increasing vibrational frequency actually refers to the relationship of our perception to now. The first three dimensions only see what has happened. The fourth sees what is happening. Fifth to seven dimension sees what is about to happen.

So structure, energy and matter all exist and are equals. They are different perceptions of the same thing really.

Thought is structure and not energy in this model but it is then filled by energy.

True thought comes from the fifth dimension which is where we find our spirit. This is the origin of the electromagnetic template and our intuition or sentiment that I described above. It is instant knowing of the truth or the right thing to do.

Third level thought is linear logic based on insufficient details.

Second level thought is copying with no understanding, hence emotion.

First level thought is just instinctive reaction.

You may note that this ties into the Chakra system, which for me is the best system of the workings of the mind that we have...
Apologies, for the delayed response... :o

Good post, interesting hypothesis... :cool: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

If you don't mind me asking, how is it possible to understand the "Mind" (reality) in such depth, yet also, be so "unaccepting" of a basic fact, re, "everything is energy"...!? :confused:

When your observing an object (in the Now), lets say, a mountain for example...before your observation starts(ed) that mountain's energy vibrations already existed and still is vibrating, right...!?

Well, if true, then your above statement, ie, "that is where energy exists." is false...no!?

Even the mere existence of "structure", re, "M Theory", imho, is still (vibrating) energy...even the term "Chakra" itself, whether in speech or thought, is energy...more importantly, "Chakra system", "M Theory", "structure", the Now itself, & whatever energy exists within this Physical dimension, are all subject to Spiritual/Truth energy.

The Mind, in much the same way as this Physical dimension, too is a Holographic Universe...it's experience/expression can occur at any of the "7 dimensions", based on Truth...then manifested in the Now...

Speaking of which, I recently started a thread, here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136238), hoping also to debate the relation between our "Holographic Universe & the 7 layered dimensions"...unfortunately, due to a lack of interest, let it sink into oblivion... :(

[tusme]

and that would mean reverberation of speech, right? or time ...of the ancients who said..
so&so.. UNIVERSE is The Mind and it reverberates the speech which is gone
( The Speech as ..the missing anti-meter of the universe)
see for yeselves Today? http://i50.tinypic.com/1567c5h.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4e9hcqVVfY&feature=fvsr
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[tzikin]

Apologies, for the delayed response... :o

Good post, interesting hypothesis... :cool: http://www.davidicke.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

If you don't mind me asking, how is it possible to understand the "Mind" (reality) in such depth, yet also, be so "unaccepting" of a basic fact, re, "everything is energy"...!? :confused:

When your observing an object (in the Now), lets say, a mountain for example...before your observation starts(ed) that mountain's energy vibrations already existed and still is vibrating, right...!?

Well, if true, then your above statement, ie, "that is where energy exists." is false...no!?

Even the mere existence of "structure", re, "M Theory", imho, is still (vibrating) energy...even the term "Chakra" itself, whether in speech or thought, is energy...more importantly, "Chakra system", "M Theory", "structure", the Now itself, & whatever energy exists within this Physical dimension, are all subject to Spiritual/Truth energy.

The Mind, in much the same way as this Physical dimension, too is a Holographic Universe...it's experience/expression can occur at any of the "7 dimensions", based on Truth...then manifested in the Now...

Speaking of which, I recently started a thread, here (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136238), hoping also to debate the relation between our "Holographic Universe & the 7 layered dimensions"...unfortunately, due to a lack of interest, let it sink into oblivion... :(
It appears that most people are also oblivious to your thread on The Mind too...

Since nobody is looking, why not restart the discussion here....

Energy is fluid. It is structure that contains it, directs it and gives it form.

In the etheric (before now), that mountain only exists as a thought.

Once new has passed, that energy will have turned to solid matter and that is what 3D perception sees.

As we move to 4th and 5th level consciousness, our perception will change. We will firstly see that mountain as the energy that it is and then we shall see the thought that structured that energy.

[tusme]

It appears that most people are also oblivious to your thread on The Mind too...

Since nobody is looking, why not restart the discussion here....
Understanding such information can be a very confusing experience, even for me it is... :D

Again, I'm no expert, however, even the little I understand re, the energetic connection of the Mind & the Holographic nature of this Physical dimension is quite "mind-blowing", to say the least... :)

And, its for this reason also, for now anyway, think it best that the "Mind" & the "Holographic Universe" threads be discussed separately...connecting the respective dots & we might yet see a picture...of energy. ;)

Energy is fluid. It is structure that contains it, directs it and gives it form.
"Fluid" is merely one form of energy.

In the etheric (before now), that mountain only exists as a thought.
So, with that logic, the mountain is none existent, yet suddenly appears when the Mind starts observing it...!? :confused:

The Mind (& Body) energy can only exist/vibrate within the Now & between the periods of birth & death...the mountain energy exists/vibrates beyond those periods, right...!? So imho, the mountain existence is actually more than a thought...no!?

Once new has passed, that energy will have turned to solid matter and that is what 3D perception sees.
True...but only from the individual Mind perspective...

As we move to 4th and 5th level consciousness, our perception will change. We will firstly see that mountain as the energy that it is and then we shall see the thought that structured that energy.
Reason the Mind "moving through different levels of consciousness" and indeed, "changing perceptions" is, co's the Mind, as it's vibrations/consciousness expands, is constantly seeking to understand the highest form of Itself...and imho, the ONLY way that is possible is, for the Mind to experience/express, otherwise exist/vibrate, as Truth energy.

That case, the Mind's energy then exists/vibrates in unison with an energy (the mountain) which, based on time, exists beyonds it's own...hope that made sense!? :)

[tzikin]

What I am describing hurts, sorry.

Linear logic cannot easily deal with it. It requires contextual logic where the hypothesis is confirmed by global consistency of all information rather than being built from fragments. You have to see it from a distance rather than worrying about details to begin with. Those can be filled in afterwards.

You have to see all three happening at once.
It is like now is a line, sweeping forwards and converting the future into the past. Only thought exists in the future. It structures energy which in turn moves matter and overcomes its inertia.

It brings up really difficult philosophical concepts that we cannot relate to because our minds are building a universe out of information close to now. We perceive close to the line of now as it passes. We perceive matter at the point that it has just been in contact with energy. If we were to stop moving with now, we would see matter in its purest form, without energy, at absolute zero.

We start to come up with explanations for dark matter and dark energy. They are disconnected. An accelerating universe and The Big Bang become a matter of structure tying in energy and matter to make them work together. Black holes become time shifts.

No one is dominant. The three are interconnected. Everything exists in the three levels for everything that we know in the physical world. Matter gives inertia to energy and thought. Energy cannot move and thought cannot restructure itself unless they can overcome the inertia of matter.

Imagine that you could take a camera into the future and photograph the mountain. What you would see would be an empty mountain, an outline that contained no energy and no matter.

When I said that energy is fluid, I did not mean liquid. I meant it in a more abstract sense of not having structure, highly mobile and ever changing. Where time does not exist, cause and effect cannot exist. Anything can happen and does. We have concepts like energy appearing in ten different places at once, simply because 'at once' makes no sense where there is no time.

It is consistent with relativity. At the speed of light, time has 'stopped'. Energy does not experience linear time. Matter cannot exist in this state. Energy and matter are defined by how time passes or does not pass for them.

The paradoxical questions of particles and waves is resolved by asking whether the measurement was taken in the past or in the present.

'The Observer' is thought. It is the structure that orders the energy. Machines have no thought and so there is no observer to make the energy do what it should do. As soon as a human gets involved, the observer phenomenon emerges.

Critical to this is one of the great challenges and mysteries of AI. If you show a computer a pen, it sees a cylinder and has no idea of how to differentiate it from any other cylinder. Show that pen to a human, and it knows what it is and what it is for. To those working in AI, it is like humans have an extra-sensory ability that goes beyond the five senses that pick up on energy and matter.

So for science, we already have 'The Observer' and this ability to know that has nothing to do with what science understands, which is energy and matter. We also have mysteries such as the template that tells our bodies how to grow and repair themselves. Strangely, after an amputation of a limb, people can sometimes feel where the limb was.
Then there are paranormal experiences that are related to perception rather than solid matter.

All this can be explained by the question, if matter is in the past and energy in the present, what exists in the future? What exists in front of this moving line of now?

We are not joining the dots but correlating the gaps. The existence of the mind in the future just before now, that thought is structure, seems to explain just about everything.

This does not just explain mundane matters. It explains dreams, astral projection, Heaven and God as simple functions of perception in relation to now.

[tusme]

What I am describing hurts, sorry.
Truth never hurts...either it weren't Truth in the first place, or, the Mind's energy vibrations have simply not expanded to the level, thus, causing the perception of hurt...a.k.a. cognative dissonance. :p

Linear logic cannot easily deal with it. It requires contextual logic where the hypothesis is confirmed by global consistency of all information rather than being built from fragments. You have to see it from a distance rather than worrying about details to begin with. Those can be filled in afterwards.

You have to see all three happening at once.
It is like now is a line, sweeping forwards and converting the future into the past. Only thought exists in the future. It structures energy which in turn moves matter and overcomes its inertia.

It brings up really difficult philosophical concepts that we cannot relate to because our minds are building a universe out of information close to now. We perceive close to the line of now as it passes. We perceive matter at the point that it has just been in contact with energy. If we were to stop moving with now, we would see matter in its purest form, without energy, at absolute zero.
Whether "linear or contextual" logic, such logic still only exists/vibrates within the limitations/conditions of this Physical dimension, ie, freewill, relativity, duality, gravity, time & space...etc, etc.

In other words, by simply understanding the dynamics & relation between Physical & Spiritual energy, imho, will expand the Mind's energy vibrations beyond any Physical logic...

We start to come up with explanations for dark matter and dark energy. They are disconnected. An accelerating universe and The Big Bang become a matter of structure tying in energy and matter to make them work together. Black holes become time shifts.
"Dark matter/energy" is, as far as I can tell, a form of negative energy, otherwise, Truth energy cannot exist as a "dark matter/energy"...

Imho, "dark matter/energy or black holes", much like our Soul energy, are merely energy/memory recepticals...remember, everything that exists within this Physical dimension, including an infinite amount of galaxy's/universes, planets, stars, humans, etc, etc, all are Truth energy beings...when any of these beings, for any amount of time, ceases to exist as Truth energy beings, each time as it happens a reflected negative, dark matter/energy or black hole, is the result...

Negative energy, btw, is spirit energy...although a weak spirit energy, is still possible for it to exist/vibrate beyond the Physical dimension principles/conditons, as mentioned above...ti's only when negative energy manifests itself through the Mind of a Physical being, that it then is subject to such conditions/principles...

No one is dominant. The three are interconnected. Everything exists in the three levels for everything that we know in the physical world. Matter gives inertia to energy and thought. Energy cannot move and thought cannot restructure itself unless they can overcome the inertia of matter.
The origins of all energy/matter is Spirit/Truth energy...there's no need for it to be dominant, co's no energy regardless whether Physical or Spirit can exist/vibrate beyond it's frequency/dimension...

Spirit/Truth energy is the Source energy of all Physical energy...without it, there would be no Physical dimension...

Imagine that you could take a camera into the future and photograph the mountain. What you would see would be an empty mountain, an outline that contained no energy and no matter.
Well, even if you placed the camera there before the origins of the mountain, there would be no outline, and, stating there would be no energy/matter is rather ridiculous...sorry. :confused:

When I said that energy is fluid, I did not mean liquid. I meant it in a more abstract sense of not having structure, highly mobile and ever changing. Where time does not exist, cause and effect cannot exist. Anything can happen and does. We have concepts like energy appearing in ten different places at once, simply because 'at once' makes no sense where there is no time.
Hmm, knew you'd say that...!! :)

Your experience of the Now is different from my experience of the Now, same thing with everyone else, what connects us all to the Now is Truth energy...besides the Source, is NOT subject to the limitations/conditions of this Physical dimension...

Indeed, "anything can happen and does"...however, not until that "anything" is subject to Truth (energy), in fact, Truth infinitely already knew the very thing that would happen...

Otherwise, the experience/expression of "anything" is merely the reflection of "anything"...eg, Truth can only reflect Truth, and of-course negativity, never anything else but negative energy...

So, DI is exactly right in saying we're all "Infinite Consciousness", that is where our origins exists...however, if we allow the Mind/Body energy to be subjected to anything other than Truth (energy), then, it's experiences/expression will, as a result, be exactly that...

It is consistent with relativity. At the speed of light, time has 'stopped'. Energy does not experience linear time. Matter cannot exist in this state. Energy and matter are defined by how time passes or does not pass for them.

The paradoxical questions of particles and waves is resolved by asking whether the measurement was taken in the past or in the present.
Relativity, speed, light, time, even stopping, are all conditions of this Physical dimension...

Again, all energy/matter is subject to Truth...the Mind observes the physical in linear form, Truth exists beyond the realms of time & space...in other words, exist/vibrate perfectly in both a micro/macro level of physical experience/expression...

'The Observer' is thought. It is the structure that orders the energy. Machines have no thought and so there is no observer to make the energy do what it should do. As soon as a human gets involved, the observer phenomenon emerges.
Again, without Truth both the observer & structure would be non-existent...nothing wrong with "a human getting involved"...ti's merely it's point of observation, or, it's Mind's inability to expand/vibrate to the frequency of Truth...otherwise imho, such a human would indeed be able to observe a very powerful Truth...of such a structure.

Critical to this is one of the great challenges and mysteries of AI. If you show a computer a pen, it sees a cylinder and has no idea of how to differentiate it from any other cylinder. Show that pen to a human, and it knows what it is and what it is for. To those working in AI, it is like humans have an extra-sensory ability that goes beyond the five senses that pick up on energy and matter.
AI, imho, can only exist within the Mind...end result, the Body is doomed, in this Physical & the Spirit dimension...with Truth, the Mind/Body is Infinite Consciousness...in both the Physical & the Spirit dimension.

So for science, we already have 'The Observer' and this ability to know that has nothing to do with what science understands, which is energy and matter. We also have mysteries such as the template that tells our bodies how to grow and repair themselves. Strangely, after an amputation of a limb, people can sometimes feel where the limb was.
Then there are paranormal experiences that are related to perception rather than solid matter.
The Mind, as electrical pulses/energy, uses an infinite amount of channels/routes to perform a task, eg, arm/leg movement...if, in the case of amputation, the Mind still would use some of those channels/routes, hence the reason, "people can sometimes feel where the limb was"...over time, as those channels/routes become "redundant", so too would those feelings disappear...

All this can be explained by the question, if matter is in the past and energy in the present, what exists in the future? What exists in front of this moving line of now?

We are not joining the dots but correlating the gaps. The existence of the mind in the future just before now, that thought is structure, seems to explain just about everything.

This does not just explain mundane matters. It explains dreams, astral projection, Heaven and God as simple functions of perception in relation to now.
The answer to your question is, Truth.

Understand that we exist as both Physical & Spirit energy, that the Physical is limited only to this Physical Dimension, & the Spirit only exists as Truth and nothing else...which, if understood within Physical dimension terms, could also be interpreted as a "limitation"...the kind of limitation that negative energy seeks to capitalise on, however, because Truth is the Source of this Physical dimension, such a limitation is but a "small price"...imho. :D ...a rather big-one for the Physical, mind...!! :eek:

Lastly, through the Mind, by way of knowing, being and expressing Truth, it is infinitely possible for it vibrate within the frequency's of the Spirit/Truth...and it don't hurt at all, honest...!! :p

[tusme]

When a Mind becomes a "repeater" of other Minds, simply means, such a Mind has not realised it's own destiny & power...

[tzikin]

Let's try to integrate some terminology Tusme....

The mind, thought, is the lowest part of the etheric. It is 'Truth', or at least, the lowest part of truth that we have access to... it is 5d thought, free and inspired thought, direct knowledge, as opposed to learned, 3d 'thought' and emotions.... and unfortunately it gets tainted and blocked by 3d programmed thought and emotions that come from the physical body...

It is a plan. It exists in the future, ahead of now. Further ahead of now, we find greater plans...

Isn't that consistent with what you call 'Truth'?

From what I can tell, 5 to 7d time is not linear or consecutive. As you go up, it defocuses to see a broader and longer term perspective of past, present and future but it loses detail. The little events start to disappear and only the largest parts of the jigsaw remain...

This model is not quite what you think it is... it is an attempt to reconcile science and 'spirituality', to give the mind, thought and spirit a place in multidimensional physics. That place is ahead of 'now'.

And the duality exists in the astral, 4d, NOW. There is no duality above 4d.

Pure energy has no structure. Its structure only appears when it is associated with etheric energy or it receives inertia from matter, making it truth or non-truth energy. Pure truth energy is not energy as such but structure but in 3 or 4d, we perceive it having already trapped energy into its structure.

When I refer to dark energy/matter, that is in the scientific terminology. It is energy/matter that is there according to the calculations, it is there according to the way in which it affects the universe. But science cannot see it. It is invisible to every method of measurement that we have.

The 'feeling' of phantom limb syndrome has two aspects. The common and well publicised version is that the person feels that the limb is still there. There are theories that explain this in terms of nerve damage, the part of the brain still functioning etc... The side that is not talked about, because it really f**ks the chemical anatomical model, is that some patients for a while after retain the sensation of touch where the leg should be. If you blindfold them, they can say when a person touches the thin air where their leg should be...

[tusme]

Let's try to integrate some terminology Tusme....

The mind, thought, is the lowest part of the etheric. It is 'Truth', or at least, the lowest part of truth that we have access to... it is 5d thought, free and inspired thought, direct knowledge, as opposed to learned, 3d 'thought' and emotions.... and unfortunately it gets tainted and blocked by 3d programmed thought and emotions that come from the physical body...

It is a plan. It exists in the future, ahead of now. Further ahead of now, we find greater plans...

Isn't that consistent with what you call 'Truth'?

From what I can tell, 5 to 7d time is not linear or consecutive. As you go up, it defocuses to see a broader and longer term perspective of past, present and future but it loses detail. The little events start to disappear and only the largest parts of the jigsaw remain...

This model is not quite what you think it is... it is an attempt to reconcile science and 'spirituality', to give the mind, thought and spirit a place in multidimensional physics. That place is ahead of 'now'.

And the duality exists in the astral, 4d, NOW. There is no duality above 4d.

Pure energy has no structure. Its structure only appears when it is associated with etheric energy or it receives inertia from matter, making it truth or non-truth energy. Pure truth energy is not energy as such but structure but in 3 or 4d, we perceive it having already trapped energy into its structure.

When I refer to dark energy/matter, that is in the scientific terminology. It is energy/matter that is there according to the calculations, it is there according to the way in which it affects the universe. But science cannot see it. It is invisible to every method of measurement that we have.

The 'feeling' of phantom limb syndrome has two aspects. The common and well publicised version is that the person feels that the limb is still there. There are theories that explain this in terms of nerve damage, the part of the brain still functioning etc... The side that is not talked about, because it really f**ks the chemical anatomical model, is that some patients for a while after retain the sensation of touch where the leg should be. If you blindfold them, they can say when a person touches the thin air where their leg should be...
Hi Tzikin,

Tbf, haven't a clue, re, "dimensions of programmed thought"... :o :)

Imho, alot depends on one's point of observation, re, processed/projected thought...furthermore, understanding the dynamics/relationship between Physical & Spiritual energy, will significantly reflect in one's thought processes and how it will eventually be manifested or expressed...

Categorizing thought into dimensions is a rather complicated affair, t'is for me anway... :)

Truth, as an energy, vibrates at the highest of all frequency's...and so, by simply elevating one's own (Mind) energy to that of Truth, automatically puts any thought processes at exactly that level...

Truth, imho, even in your illustration or "dimensions of programmed thought", exists/vibrates at the highest dimension...all energy is, regardless whether the Mind or this Physical dimension, subject to Truth...

Assuming "7 dimensions of programmed thought" exists...!?

Well, imho, only pure Spirit Truth (energy) would exist at the 7d and if I may say so & because of Physical dimension principles/conditions, a "weaker" form of Truth might exist at other dimensions...

I would reckon, a Mind existing/vibrating without the awareness of it being an Infinite Truth being, imho, would be programming/processing thoughts between 4 & 5d...said imho. :)

When a thought enters the Mind at say, the 5d, both that thought & the Mind is subject to Truth...and, unless the Mind ignores that thought, Truth will mirror both the thought & the Mind at exactly the same 5d level in it's projection/manifestation...hope that made sense!? :eek:

Suppose it is possible, re, "If you blindfold them, they can say when a person touches the thin air where their leg should be...", fact is, whatever possibilities exist, all stems from the Mind...and in any case, if the leg ain't there anymore, whats the point of wanting to keep processing such thoughts, know what I mean...!?

[kjuries]

hey... very interesting discussion here re. the mind. This its THE most phenomenal part of the anatomy.....

[tusme]

hey... very interesting discussion here re. the mind. This its THE most phenomenal part of the anatomy.....
It is, indeed, looking forward to your contributions... ;) :) Oh! & welcome to the DI forums...!! :cool: :D

[jackson82]

I like this from Max Planck:

"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness."

Fact is no one can explane how physical events in the brain become mental events. Unless you adopt the same approach as Max.

To Max even the brain is derivative from consciousness. This can't ever be dis-proven. It is the only way the solve the mind/body problem. :cool:

[gurlbit]

THE HEART IF RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSCIOUSNESS!!! NOT.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NinetyPercentOfYourBrain
http://www.eurekalert.org/images/release_graphics/pdf/brain.pdf

[wthree]

An interesting question rises about the location of conciousness and how it ties into the brain.

If conciousness is external and merely 'picks up' our brain signals so to speak. Then if we made an exact copy of ourselves, we would be both the new and the old one.


If however, conciousness is located within the brain, if we were copied, then the new version of ourselves would be a separate entity that believes they are you.

[ufochick]

Hopefully when we get to the 4th and 5th levels of consciousness (some call them dimensions) our minds will be free.

I go down the Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Castaneda, Cognitive Behavioural Therapy route.

They believe the unpopular, that our emotions are our prison and that mental feedom only comes when all emotions are eradicated

All emotions are taught. They are not our own

Those that say that having emotions is the difference between them and a computer, what makes them so special as a human being are wrong. The emotions are a computer. They are all programmed.

The difference between the emotions and a computer is that the computer will have been deliberately programmed by qualified people working together. Our emotions have been programmed by a thousand incompetent programmers, all trying to program different things into us and half of them are programming exactly the opposite of what they intended to do

No wonder our emotions are such a mess!

It is simple. We learn our emotions by example. We might criticise that example in our minds but our emotions simply accept them as the way of the world and force us to follow them unthinkingly

The worst brainwashing out there is the belief that our emotions are important and that they make us special individuals and so we must obey them.

Well that would be the first thing that society wants. It is using the programming of emotions to control us!

OBSOFUCKINGLUTELY!!! Emotions are something that rob us of thought. They are alos different from feelings. A feeling is when you love your child or feel saddened by war, or feel pleased that your tomatoes grew tomotoes.

Thoughts, feelings and emotions are a choice, they are under our control. The fact that most people refuse to even attempt to control them doesn't change the fact that we do control them. When we train our brains to simply "react" emotionally to a situation we are training it to use the reptilian part of the brain. When we accept information that comes from outside of ourselves and direct it to thought then we can choose our response.

The best thing about learning to control your thoughts, feelings and emotions is that you also learn to quiet the mind. To actually listen to someone else without thinking over the top of what they are saying is a great experience many people never have.

[ufochick]

Hi Tzikin,

Tbf, haven't a clue, re, "dimensions of programmed thought"... :o :)

Imho, alot depends on one's point of observation, re, processed/projected thought...furthermore, understanding the dynamics/relationship between Physical & Spiritual energy, will significantly reflect in one's thought processes and how it will eventually be manifested or expressed...

Categorizing thought into dimensions is a rather complicated affair, t'is for me anway... :)

Truth, as an energy, vibrates at the highest of all frequency's...and so, by simply elevating one's own (Mind) energy to that of Truth, automatically puts any thought processes at exactly that level...

Truth, imho, even in your illustration or "dimensions of programmed thought", exists/vibrates at the highest dimension...all energy is, regardless whether the Mind or this Physical dimension, subject to Truth...

Assuming "7 dimensions of programmed thought" exists...!?

Well, imho, only pure Spirit Truth (energy) would exist at the 7d and if I may say so & because of Physical dimension principles/conditions, a "weaker" form of Truth might exist at other dimensions...

I would reckon, a Mind existing/vibrating without the awareness of it being an Infinite Truth being, imho, would be programming/processing thoughts between 4 & 5d...said imho. :)

When a thought enters the Mind at say, the 5d, both that thought & the Mind is subject to Truth...and, unless the Mind ignores that thought, Truth will mirror both the thought & the Mind at exactly the same 5d level in it's projection/manifestation...hope that made sense!? :eek:

Suppose it is possible, re, "If you blindfold them, they can say when a person touches the thin air where their leg should be...", fact is, whatever possibilities exist, all stems from the Mind...and in any case, if the leg ain't there anymore, whats the point of wanting to keep processing such thoughts, know what I mean...!?

Why would "truth" vibrate higher than anything else? Truth is relative to the entity who perceives it correct? If I believe one truth and you believe another do both vibrate at a higher rate?
Is what you are trying to say is that seeing through the false to the core of an experience or idea makes the energy of the situation vibrate at a higher rate?
I have personally found that the acceptance and integration into my body/mind/consciousness of gratitude/tolerance/acceptance/compassion/understanding and love combined and added to control of emotion and control of my thoughts raise my vibrational rate to the highest possible place.

Recent science is catching up with the old ideas of "magic" in that matter responds to our expectations. These combined expectations of all the humans and sentient life here on earth create our reality. On a smaller level our own lives react to our own expectations as well as that of others.

The problem is, we have all these people creating chaos, not controlling their thoughts and living through emotional reaction. This creates a chaos situation here on earth where those who do have control of themselves and a plan can easily control the populous. In order to change the way this planet works we need to begin to teach ourselves and the children that they are in control of themselves in every way and they do effect reality on several different levels.

This also explains why the power that were have given us "gods". This teaches us we have no control.

Hope this makes sense, it's late and I have been really rather sick and am dead tired. Let's carry this on tomorrow huh?

[tusme]

Why would "truth" vibrate higher than anything else? Truth is relative to the entity who perceives it correct? If I believe one truth and you believe another do both vibrate at a higher rate?
"Truth vibrates at a higher frequency", imho, because it's existence is Infinite...
"Belief", as percieved through the Mind, is not necessarily Truth...to open a door does not require belief, merely a knowing...

Is what you are trying to say is that seeing through the false to the core of an experience or idea makes the energy of the situation vibrate at a higher rate?
I have personally found that the acceptance and integration into my body/mind/consciousness of gratitude/tolerance/acceptance/compassion/understanding and love combined and added to control of emotion and control of my thoughts raise my vibrational rate to the highest possible place.
The Mind is "wired" to know Truth, ti's the Mind's true nature...focussing on anything else lowers the Mind's thought processes or vibrational frequency(s)...
"Gratitude/tolerance/acceptance/compassion/understanding", etc, besides techniques of the Mind (to raise it's vibrational rate/state), are in fact products of Truth...

Recent science is catching up with the old ideas of "magic" in that matter responds to our expectations. These combined expectations of all the humans and sentient life here on earth create our reality. On a smaller level our own lives react to our own expectations as well as that of others.
I would agree with that... :)

The problem is, we have all these people creating chaos, not controlling their thoughts and living through emotional reaction. This creates a chaos situation here on earth where those who do have control of themselves and a plan can easily control the populous. In order to change the way this planet works we need to begin to teach ourselves and the children that they are in control of themselves in every way and they do effect reality on several different levels.

This also explains why the power that were have given us "gods". This teaches us we have no control.

Hope this makes sense, it's late and I have been really rather sick and am dead tired. Let's carry this on tomorrow huh?
Absolutely!! :cool: :)

[armoured_amazon]

All emotions are taught. They are not our own

Those that say that having emotions is the difference between them and a computer, what makes them so special as a human being are wrong. The emotions are a computer. They are all programmed.

The difference between the emotions and a computer is that the computer will have been deliberately programmed by qualified people working together. Our emotions have been programmed by a thousand incompetent programmers, all trying to program different things into us and half of them are programming exactly the opposite of what they intended to do

No wonder our emotions are such a mess!

It is simple. We learn our emotions by example. We might criticise that example in our minds but our emotions simply accept them as the way of the world and force us to follow them unthinkingly

The worst brainwashing out there is the belief that our emotions are important and that they make us special individuals and so we must obey them.

Well that would be the first thing that society wants. It is using the programming of emotions to control us!

Excellent post! *runs off to quote it elsewhere*

[tusme]

If the Mind were a circle/bubble, only Truth would keep it centred...in fact, Truth will set it free within and outside the circle/bubble...

[tusme]

As with this Physical dimension, so too, is the Mind a dimension, with an infinite/infinitesimal number of (energy) frequencies...