Not all instances of Occult symbols is Illuminati

[seer74]

There is a pattern to all things in this world.
all within the matrix reflects all else within the matrix.
Occult symbols reflect aspects of nature, the mind, etc.
Sometimes they just appear because they are natural to
this dimension of consciousness.... is this always by design?

OK, well, on some level, I'm sure it is. But is there always one of
"Them" designing it?

Any thoughts?

[qasrose]

omg,

[seer74]

dernit my browser can't find the page!

[drael]

Most symbolism is ancient in origin and pre-dates modern civilisation. IMO There is deep power and meaning in symbology for anyone seeking the truth.

The pentagram is a generally positive symbol. In contains the golden ratio, represents the four elements and spirit, was used as a ward and is a modern symbol of wicca, a popular modern religion. It was once used to represent the five wounds of christ in christianity.

Even the all-seeing eye is supposed to originally have been the eye of god, and the oneness of reality beyond dualities (the apex of the triangle). Of course the illuminati use this to represent themselves rather than god, but understanding the symbol gives one freedom from their control - it is a key to understanding the illusory nature of reality.

Symbols are power, understand them and youll be free. That the illumanti have been so arrogant to place the keys to our reality everywhere is both and insult and a blessing.

[seer74]

Most symbolism is ancient in origin and pre-dates modern civilisation. IMO There is deep power and meaning in symbology for anyone seeking the truth.

The pentagram is a generally positive symbol. In contains the golden ratio, represents the four elements and spirit, was used as a ward and is a modern symbol of wicca, a popular modern religion. It was once used to represent the five wounds of christ in christianity.

Even the all-seeing eye is supposed to originally have been the eye of god, and the oneness of reality beyond dualities (the apex of the triangle). Of course the illuminati use this to represent themselves rather than god, but understanding the symbol gives one freedom from their control - it is a key to understanding the illusory nature of reality.

Symbols are power, understand them and youll be free. That the illumanti have been so arrogant to place the keys to our reality everywhere is both and insult and a blessing.

Well, whaddya know, Drael? Something we agree on LOL. Though I dare note the Illuminati misuse the pentagram as much as they do the All-seeing eye.

[drael]

Yes they use the pentagram, amongst other things, but because they consider themselves empire builders of a sort the truth is as pernenial as the grass for those with eyes. The way they use the free masons the build obelisks and building with specific math. America is just full of this kinda stuff. Some of the illuminati are so stuck in so many forms of mythology and symbolism that they have to consult three or four ancient texts before making their mind up. They mis-use almost everything.

But symbols wont save them from the wrath of god, nor the magick backlash of binding so many souls and spirits (if those two things are different which i suppose they arent). Not in the end anyway.

[chandrakavi]

First were the societies that permitted their people to have wisdom,
wanted them to be wise, like the Greeks, and many other wisdom oriented societies, like Atlantis.

Later this wisdom came into the grip of the few Illuminati,
so it shows that they don't permit to have nothing but be ignorant,
this is NOT THE ILLUMINATI's wisdom, it was stolen knowledge from those who really knew, and the Illuminati don't want to share their "borrowed knowledge"
wiith the rest of the human beings today. At any rate, a few KNOW MORE THAN THEY DO, and this the Illuminati consider "dangerous" because they can't control them or sink them into "ignorance"

Knowledge, wisdom and love have to go together,
the Illuminati are lame in the love part, if they get the message
this would be a different world.

LIGHT AND INFINITE LOVE TO THE ILLUMINATI
if they receive this energy , we will also,
after all, in life everything is a circle,
that will come to all of us also.

[seer74]

First were the societies that permitted their people to have wisdom,
wanted them to be wise, like the Greeks, and many other wisdom oriented societies, like Atlantis.

Later this wisdom came into the grip of the few Illuminati,
so it shows that they don't permit to have nothing but be ignorant,
this is NOT THE ILLUMINATI's wisdom, it was stolen knowledge from those who really knew, and the Illuminati don't want to share their "borrowed knowledge"
wiith the rest of the human beings today. At any rate, a few KNOW MORE THAN THEY DO, and this the Illuminati consider "dangerous" because they can't control them or sink them into "ignorance"

Knowledge, wisdom and love have to go together,
the Illuminati are lame in the love part, if they get the message
this would be a different world.

LIGHT AND INFINITE LOVE TO THE ILLUMINATI
if they receive this energy , we will also,
after all, in life everything is a circle,
that will come to all of us also.

Very well put.

[chandrakavi]

There is a pattern to all things in this world.
all within the matrix reflects all else within the matrix.
Occult symbols reflect aspects of nature, the mind, etc.
Sometimes they just appear because they are natural to
this dimension of consciousness.... is this always by design?

OK, well, on some level, I'm sure it is. But is there always one of
"Them" designing it?

Any thoughts?

Well as I have said before the knowledge adn wisdom is not of the illuminati's
they stole it and and have hidden from us until this date. So there are people
who are the true Masters of Wisdom, and who use it for mysticism ,the real power.
The way Illuminati's use it is only power oriented, which is a very low frequency.
If they used it the right way, the ywould rise beyond their egoes.

[elysiansix]

Most symbolism is ancient in origin and pre-dates modern civilisation. IMO There is deep power and meaning in symbology for anyone seeking the truth.

Symbols are power, understand them and youll be free. That the illumanti have been so arrogant to place the keys to our reality everywhere is both and insult and a blessing.

Yes symbols are power - but without money the power will never be in anyone's hands other than those who create the money out of debt. Or thin air. No freedom whatsoever whilst they have control of money.

[jonb]

Money will not set you free.
A little story from my past
I worked as a gardener for a house in Highgate. At the time it was owned by the Lee family, who are the people who own Samsung. Multi Billionaires. They had a big garden and it was lovely. You might be tempted to sell your soul for that garden, to have all that space to yourself in the middle of London with ponds, waterfalls, Trees flowers and wildlife, almost a paradice. But, yes there's always a but, In London that year there had been a thousand Kidnappings of the rich. No member of the family dared to to go out without a whole cohort of guards. That London home was the only place in the world they had that was not crowded with armed guards. I could leave my work and walk through parks get on a bus, go to the forrest. I had the freedom to be on my own. They were imprisoned in a nice house and garden.
YOU COULD SAY WHY DON'T THEY GIVE IT UP? WOULD YOU DARE TO GIVE UP WHAT YOU HAVE?
Money and power are false Gods which trap those that seek them.

[jonb]

Sorry to return to the first post, I know we should now all try to keep on track. I dont think any of the symbols 'they' use have been invented by them.
Think of it this way, to command you have to cut of your empathy, to send men off to die in war you cannot aford to feel for them. Invention like all arts is about empathy you have to have a feel for it. Without empathy you cannot create.
They use these things mechanicaly. If they were able to create they would not need to subvert us. We do not need to beat them, we just have to teach them a better way.

[soulja]

so who came up with those symbols then ?

for example the pyramid on the dollar bill wich is the same symbol the ''bavarian'' illuminati used. the organisation set up by their frontman Weishaupt funded with Rothschild money?

to create (as in come up with a symbol) has nothing to do with empathy.
has all to do with understanding geometry, astrology, the inner workings of the brotherhood, their history, bloodline colors and so on.
so no surprise the great artists musicians etc were all initiated into one of the countless strands of the Illuminati.

the most bright heads of history were members of the brotherhood.
those who moved society ''forward'' be it in science or arts,philosophy, music or every other field you can think of.

just look how much money is put into arts, movies etc.. by the Elite families ? shitloads..

you shouldn't confuse neocon type pawns who send peoples to war with the upper hierachy of the Illuminati. Moriah funds (set up) both sides, the oppressiv dictatorship/police state type of figures AND the revolutionary underground. the major religions and the counter religion we call new age.like they did with capitalism/facism/communism it's the same MO all the time.

you're sort of suggesting that once there were spiritually pure people on earth and came up with all those profound, positive and pure knowledge created symbols. but then one rainy day and out of the blue came the mechanical illuminati and killed all the good guys took their symbols and now use it to do their evil deeds.

possible maybe, but highly unlikely cos flawed on so many levels.

[jonb]

I think the people who worked out the system were flawed, I have never met anyone who isn't. If you want to talk to Frenchmen you talk French. In doing so you have not invented French.
THESE ARE OUR SYMBOLS
I would also say there is a deep physiological difference between those who seek to control and those who seek to understand. You cannot be a good General and spend your time learning how a sword is made, or even doing the sergeants job and teach the troops how to use it. As a general its about logistics, getting the right amount of fighting force to a place to do the work for you. And that goes for what ever sort of troops you command. If the other side have learnt a better technique to fight with. You want your troops to know it so they can fight back, but essentially all that affects is how much damage your troops can do, so all it alters is how many men you need to project a given amount of force. This is why officers still study the battles of Alexander. If the other side has a better gun you get your men to use it, but you are not interested in how it works. If a leader finds a system of using symbols useful to him he uses it, that is very different from saying he invented it or even understands it.
Invention comes from a different way of seeing, you identify a problem and work around different ways of seeing it until you can see a way of alleviating the problem.
If you look at something like technological invention it does not advance under Empires. Think of the Chinese, they developed so much before any one else, the countries were combined into one Empire and virtually nothing new happened for thousands of years. Find one thing the Roman's invented everything they had was borrowed from others.
Ok in the U.S.A there are some things being invented, but that is because people have a level of freedom. It does not mean those in charge ever invented a bit of it. In actual fact new inventions can get in the way of the elites plans and they will try to suppress them. If you are in agreement with the generals on the other side what need has either of you for new stuff, it only makes your job harder.
The Hierarchy is of foremost importance to them. it upsets that order if someone on the bottom actually gains a better understanding than they do. so what choices do they have? kill him, or corrupt him and find a place within the organisation, or convince him he is incapable of invention as they have always invented everything. Thus we see buildings named after the person who paid for it rather than the Architect, don't you find that strange? I can only think of the Eiffel Tower as a building named after the Architect, where as you could think of many many buildings named after the funders.
I am from the bottom of society, yet even if you disagree with what I am saying, I presume you would credit me with being capable of thinking about these things. Now look at the media, Books TV etc why so consistently do they tell you a story that people like me are incapable of thinking? If there is a story about a person who is from the bottom of society who has some talent, it will also show how he did not fit in the lower place and how his peers rejected him and how he was helped by an authority figure to find the right place, or how he kept with his own and it all ended in tears.
Britney Spears, Trailer trash, didn't reject her roots cant even keep her child, addict, tears.
Beatles, Underclass, lost their mentor, all went wrong a bit, but they never returned to Liverpool, stayed with the in crowd, status.
They want you to think you are of the people who invented nothing, because it strengthens the Hierarchy.

[marpat]

Most symbolism is ancient in origin and pre-dates modern civilisation. IMO There is deep power and meaning in symbology for anyone seeking the truth.

The pentagram is a generally positive symbol. In contains the golden ratio, represents the four elements and spirit, was used as a ward and is a modern symbol of wicca, a popular modern religion. It was once used to represent the five wounds of christ in christianity.

Even the all-seeing eye is supposed to originally have been the eye of god, and the oneness of reality beyond dualities (the apex of the triangle). Of course the illuminati use this to represent themselves rather than god, but understanding the symbol gives one freedom from their control - it is a key to understanding the illusory nature of reality.

Symbols are power, understand them and youll be free. That the illumanti have been so arrogant to place the keys to our reality everywhere is both and insult and a blessing.

Totally spot on. I would say that the illuminati have just created a set of meanings for themselves rather than been the creators of this symbolism. They have taken something and used it for their own purpose, giving it meanings that only they know but this does not mean that for everybody else that the symbolism is bad. if we all pumped positive energy into those symbols then would that not in turn influence the illuminati positively if they use the same symbols? To many people think it is a one way system in which the bad guys are using symbols to control people but people have to accept being controlled for it to happen. I never hear anybody discussing ways to turn the tables and influence the bad guys by using the symbols for positive results.

[cruise4]

Here's one that Hagbard has on a T shirt from here (http://soulcompanions.org/community/YaBB.pl?num=1194615940):


http://soulcompanions.org/community/Attachments/True_World_Order_t-shirtweb.jpg

[jonb]

Nice symbol
But you don't have to actually change a thing. Every symbol caries within it the opposite meaning. To explain this, think of an evergreen tree, when the rest of the trees loose their leaves in winter the evergreen is green, still alive so the evergreen has for a long time been used as a symbol for eternal life, so it is planted around grave yards, as such it can also be used to mean death. this duallity is part of the art of using symbols.
They use the symbols to try control you subliminally if you notice the symbol it cannot work subliminally it can intimidate you, but that is about it.
You see a symbol you know they are trying to control you. The most important word in that sentence is trying, it means they do not control you, it means you are free. Once you are aware the harder they try, the more freedom you are gaining!
They point surviellance cameras at you to intimidate, to let you know they are recording what you do, great, you have proof you are important, you can affect their plans, they fear you. What more positive feedback do you want?

[cruise4]

Every symbol carries within it the opposite meaning I can go along with, and the subliminal aspect of the 'delivery'. But then I have to ask how do they ensure delivery of 'their' meaning as oppose to the opposite. How do they split the duality for their preferred result? There's another, third part of the equation, isn't there?

For example... if I walk past that graveyard what is the factor that makes the evergreen tree stand for life or stand for death within my subconcious. Is it 'predictive programming'?

[jonb]

I'm sorry if this seems silly, but 'predictive programming' is not a term I am familiar with I have looked it up on the net and I think I sort of understand what you mean, and if so yes. (I'm an old artist.)
Sorry I cant think of a way of explaining this in a shorter way.
All people on this forum should know the Illuminati symbolism on the dollar bill. And you can see partly how it is used to tell you they are in command, and by showing what they up to and by not getting a reaction to it, getting conformation for themselves that you have not got the intelligence to work it out, so they are right to hold power because they are the only ones with the intelligence to weald it. And as you act as sheep they are right to treat you as sheep. This is all openly discussed on forums like this. But the rest of what is on the bank note is presumed to be just so much decoration. It is not, it has a purpose it sets the context.
What is money? It is just a convenient way to exchange goods and services. If we just had barter my boss could pay me in lemons and then I would have to sell the lemons for what I wanted. So money is just a bag of lemons, an easy way to receive payment for what I have sold and to buy what I want. That's it that's all you want it for, for you it serves no other use. Something which is easyer to walk about with than a bag of lemons, but has a value.
But money is not just used for that, the first money was rare small items with a recognised value. This was often precious metals. Then the people who sold those metals wanted to show they were a good place to come and get them, so say Athens would would put a picture of an Owl on the bit of metal, and the coin was born. The man who controls the gold mine wants to show he controls the city and you get a picture of the king on a coin, and you accept he rules. Tick a box, money serves two agendas.
People are not that good at working out what the metal is in the coin, a gold coin can be made of an alloy of cheep metals and the King can get more for less. You look at what is on the coin not what it is made of to give it value, The king gives it value. The king owns value. Tick a box, money serves three agendas.
The king only allows you to use his coin in his land. A king owns the right to buy and sell. Tick a box, money serves four agendas.
You start to identify where you can use your coins as being your markets you identify yourself with where your king rules. You are part of his nation. You are British you use a pound, you are American you use a dollar, and you accept your rulers right to decide what currency you use. Tick a box, money serves five agendas.
You think its all natural and thats just the way money has evolved, and anyway we couldn't walk around with lumps of metal in our pockets coins are worth far more. No the worth of metals has more or less stayed about the same from the time of the invention of money to these times.
Actually as the illuminati want you to accept the idea you will have to work more to get less, a penny today is not worth as much as a bit of copper the same size. And they think your too stupid to work out that a bit of metal with a kings head on it is worth less than the same bit of metal without a kings head. So you dont melt it down and sell the copper you rely on the face value, ( anyway they have made laws against you doing that) So when the NWO have put their changes in place, and the penny or cent is again worth as much as a bit of copper you will be grateful to them in creating a system where we don't have to work so hard. (The coin is a symbol of worth.)
That just what coins do lets look at paper money which is even better at carrying symbols. Paper money is only worth the symbols written on it. so a lot about the paper money is to stop it being forged, complex patterns and colours which are hard to reproduce. But with that come images that make you identify with it, pictures of places from your country or of events in your history. The Euros got a nice version of this with pictures of bridges from around Europe showing the growing connection of a single currency in the NWO. Common to notes are pictures of worthy people from the past. These images set the agenda, an association, of images and symbols to project a given idea, NWO symbols, worth, great events and great people, the idea of people having value, so that he is worth more than him, then those with more are worth more, then Heirachy is the natural order of things they are worth more than us. They make the events, and they are nice because we are allowd this token of their wealth. That is the magic, the phycology, the mechanics of turning a little tag into surounding you in a system without you even noticing it. Dont think your being controled by just triangles every little bit is acting on you.
But you can seperate it all and know what they are trying.

[cruise4]

Thanks jonb. You are very wise. I look forward to more of your insights. :D

[jonb]

No I am not, I know a bit about art and the history of art, but that is it. I noticed there don't seem to be many people aproaching the subject from this point of view so I've stuck my oar in. If you find something I say fits what you think great, but that is all.