What damage would it do ...

[matrixcutter]

to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.


To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.

[kasalt]

To be honest, I'm not very obsessed with this issue. Are you?

[matrixcutter]

To be honest, I'm not very obsessed with this issue. Are you?
Obsessed, no. Interested, yes.

[kasalt]

What damage would it do to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

I don't think it would do much "damage" at all because, so far as I can tell, there simply aren't that many people who put very much stock in these videos in the first place. I think most people see them as evidence of a possibility, rather than proof of a reality.

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

I was called a troll myself after what was only my third post on this forum for casting doubt on the multiple-gunman theory of the JFK assassination. It didn't bother me very much really, because I know what I am and what I'm not, and I knew that other people would see that eventually. My advice: Try saying your piece and then moving on to other issues. There's a lot more going on here to comment on besides glitchy-looking reptilian shape-shifter videos.

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.

I don't see how it can help credibility.

To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.

Why do people do it? Here's my theory: I think it's because dealing with the subject of reptilian shape-shifters takes us into the realm of belief, and believing tends to be more a thing of the heart than of the head. And because beliefs are more a thing of the heart, that also means that they are intertwined with emotions. That's why, when you dare to give a thumbs-down to someone's "cherished beliefs", they tend to respond in an irrational, negative or hostile emotional way. Their's may be an irrational reaction, but since when are emotions rational?

[graflok]

What damage would it do ...

It might cause certain unstable individuals to post the same whining complaints
over and over, ad infinitum, ad nauseam until we are all bored to death.

[woghd]

to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as
calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.


To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.


Looks at the bait...decides not to bite...

Archangel

[jimijams]

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims
Another obvious example was The Brandon Corey story which when being promoted led people to believe it was a true story, then later turned out to be a total work of fiction. This I believe could have harmed David Icke and whole reptillian movement.

[soglad]

Another obvious example was The Brandon Corey story which when being promoted led people to believe it was a true story, then later turned out to be a total work of fiction. This I believe could have harmed David Icke and whole reptillian movement.

That film pissed me off. They went all out saying it was true (even though it had TERRIBLE acting in it) then admit it's fake after everyone buys it.

Worst move David ever made in my opinion.

[thirdwave]

to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.


To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.


I cant really think of anyone I know that does this.... or is harming the credibility of shape shifting, was this aimed at anyone in particular?

also what is one to do if he believes in something?

[john white]

to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

It is now, be assured of it

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.

To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.

Being as you DON'T "believe in repltiles" Matrixcutter (you've made that abundently clear) the question from you represents an entirely moot point, becuase you would believe yourself superior and them wrong regardless

This pattern you have got yourself into on the forum is simply not sustainable: you must learn to agree to disagree without the constant baiting you engage in: Oh I know others are no angels, but that is not a excuse for you

For example, I personally consider most of the "reptillian eyes" videos to be somewhat laughable. Nevertheless I understand why people make them: and none of them prove the reptillian theory wrong. Do I need to go focusing on people who see them otherwise?

Let me make this abundently clear:

You know as well as I do that Damaged Brain and Woghd are ignoring each other under instruction to avoid gaining more infraction points. Perhaps you feel that using a certain form of language to bait Woghd without mentioning his name directly is OK for you, that you can continue to deride Woghd safe from "behind the rules", and will avoid accumulating points yourself?

Well you are wrong

I'm going to give you three points, becuase like damaged brain, you've been behaving like this for quite a while, and put you under the same conditions: no baiting Woghd for the next eight days

[john white]

I cant really think of anyone I know that does this.... or is harming the credibility of shape shifting, was this aimed at anyone in particular?

also what is one to do if he believes in something?

I think we know who he is refering to TW

[matrixcutter]

Another obvious example was The Brandon Corey story which when being promoted led people to believe it was a true story, then later turned out to be a total work of fiction. This I believe could have harmed David Icke and whole reptillian movement.
Good point, 3 spam points.

[matrixcutter]

I cant really think of anyone I know that does this.... or is harming the credibility of shape shifting, was this aimed at anyone in particular?

also what is one to do if he believes in something?
You can't think of any examples even after Icke's Brandon Corey Story was explicitly mentioned? That's a pretty strong level of denial you're carrying with you there.

[graflok]

You can't think of any examples even after Icke's Brandon Corey Story was explicitly mentioned? That's a pretty strong level of denial you're carrying with you there.

I noticed you sneaked in the word "Icke's" as if the Brandon Corey Story
was a David Icke product which it wasn't.

[matrixcutter]

It is now, be assured of it
Because you say so, from your new position of spam-point distributing thread closer? I would need something slightly more reliable I'm afraid.

Being as you DON'T "believe in repltiles" Matrixcutter (you've made that abundently clear) the question from you represents an entirely moot point, becuase you would believe yourself superior and them wrong regardless
Your opinion of what I believe and what my beliefs mean are irrelevant, unless of course you choose to make them relevant when you want to put your foot down.


This pattern you have got yourself into on the forum is simply not sustainable: you must learn to agree to disagree without the constant baiting you engage in:
I don't engage in constant baiting. If you don't want to answer the question, then there is no obligation - you don't even have to read it. The same goes for everybody. Is there something wrong with that? Is there still something wrong with it if somebody else does the same? (Think about that one.)

Oh I know others are no angels, but that is not a excuse for you
I don't need excuses to ask questions thank you.
I assume you are still pretending that the blatant double standards are a figment of my and damagedbrainn's (and various others') imaginations? How distasteful.

For example, I personally consider most of the "reptillian eyes" videos to be somewhat laughable.
I see, 3 spam points to you, or not?

Nevertheless I understand why people make them:
Do tell.

and none of them prove the reptillian theory wrong.
Irrelevant.

Do I need to go focusing on people who see them otherwise?
Well that depends on whether they start talking about the no-planes theory, doesn't it? Or is that different?

Let me make this abundently clear:

You know as well as I do that Damaged Brain and Woghd are ignoring each other under instruction to avoid gaining more infraction points.
I know that you have posted a PM that woghd allegedly sent you (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13681&page=2) (which seems to be against the rules under other circumstances) that made him look like anything other than the woghd we have all come to know in recent weeks. I know various other things, the discussion of which has earned me a big fat pile of naughty points. It seems that the principles involved in implementing this sort of "order" are meaningless, which, given the name attached to this forum, is so ironic you can taste it.

Perhaps you feel that using a certain form of language to bait Woghd without mentioning his name directly is OK for you,
If you mean that I refrained from calling people paid trolls over and over and over again, then yes, I did. Whether this baiting is going on is irrelevant - you have clearly already decided that one party is baiting, while the other is playfully mocking, or something similar, and acted accordingly. People can see that it stinks, and it is obvious, but you won't let that bother you.

that you can continue to deride Woghd safe from "behind the rules", and will avoid accumulating points yourself?
What a ridiculous thing to say, given the events of the last few days.

I'm going to give you three points,
Of course you are. Was it ever in any doubt?
I love the reason you have given - creating drama unnecessarily. That is priceless. You're not even pretending any more.

becuase like damaged brain,
Surely there's some mistake. I am damagedbrainn - it's a fact. If you want proof then let me know. I googled it a few days ago but I lost the link, but I'll find it for you, unless you forget and nobody reminds me, in which case you'll just have to take my word for it.

you've been behaving like this for quite a while, and put you under the same conditions: no baiting Woghd for the next eight days
Define baiting, so we're absolutely clear. Is the definition the same for me as it is for everyone else, like woghd and graflok, as a random example? Is it the same for you, or are you all Judge Dredd about it now?

[john white]

Good point, 3 spam points.

I'm sorely tempted to give you another one for sarcasm

Your personal certainty is far more dangerous a tool of dis-info than any you-tube video Matrixcutter: becuase that kind of certainity leads to arrogance, and from arrogance, leads to imposition against those who you dont approve of becuase they dont match your pre-conceptions

People can talk about reptillians here

Get used to it, and get over not being able to handle it

[graflok]

People can talk about reptillians here

Get used to it, and get over not being able to handle it

Thank you, John! :)

[john white]

Thank you, John! :)

Your welcome mate

[matrixcutter]

I'm sorely tempted to give you another one for sarcasm
I've got blue eyes too, how many is that worth?

Your personal certainty is far more dangerous a tool of dis-info than any you-tube video Matrixcutter: becuase that kind of certainity leads to arrogance, and from arrogance, leads to imposition against those who you dont approve of becuase they dont match your pre-conceptions
There is probably some truth in that, but coming from you it sounds a little bit ridiculous, given your NPT "baiting" and various other conversations.

People can talk about reptillians here

Get used to it,
I am fully aware of that, and I am used to it, obviously. To suggest otherwise is silly.

and get over not being able to handle it
I can handle it. This is a thread that I made, which other people voluntarily posted on. I see that this is just one more inconvenience that must be ignored.

[lizzy]

to discover that people are putting out videos they claim contain shape-shifting reptiles which are nothing more than glitches in low quality videos?

What if some of these people claimed their videos as proof, then later merely evidence, then later said that they themselves are not even convinced, all the while avoiding questions about their dubious claims (calling any sceptical questioners "suspicious") as well as calling people paid trolls, many times (which is no problem, apparently)?

Does this harm the credibility of the reptile theory, or does it depend on other things, about what makes the world go round.


To those who do believe in reptiles, why do you think certain people do this? To those who don't believe in the reptiles, the same question.
So Happy to see you BACK.
I lost power for a few days.
I have kept an open mind about the reptiles but not one vid I have ever seen has shown any repitlian eye thatI could discern.
To me so far they are more reptilian in spirit ( cold blooded)
love
lizzy

[john white]

There is probably some truth in that, but coming from you it sounds a little bit ridiculous, given your NPT "baiting"

Its a hobby I've given up

So if I can do that for NPT, you can do that for reptillians

I can handle it. This is a thread that I made, which other people voluntarily posted on. I see that this is just one more inconvenience that must be ignored.


Ignore all you want, as long as the behaviour changes: if it doesnt, dont expect that to be ignored

[matrixcutter]

There is probably some truth in that, but coming from you it sounds a little bit ridiculous, given your NPT "baiting"
Its a hobby I've given up
That's good old-fashioned family hypocrisy, as Family Guy would say.


Ignore all you want, as long as the behaviour changes: if it doesnt, dont expect that to be ignored
Actually, it was you who was ignoring the reality of the situation here in order to make your point, not me.

I don't want to take this thread off-topic, not that it matters now that it's obviously going to be closed or moved soon, but I don't want the twisting of my words to be encouraged. It could end up earning me some of those naughty points if we're not careful.

[matrixcutter]

So Happy to see you BACK.
Why thank you kind lady.

I have kept an open mind about the reptiles but not one vid I have ever seen has shown any repitlian eye thatI could discern.
Careful, these forum walls have ears, and eyes.

[john white]

I'd be doing you a favour closing this thread Matrixcutter, becuase its clear you only want to dig yourself deeper

I remind you that all complaints about moderation must be made by PM: and since I'm sure you are not happy with the replies I have already spent time making to you via that method, I suggest you pm another mod

However, if you continue to wish to use this thread to complain about moderation, don't be surpised if you accumulate more infraction points

[matrixcutter]

I'd be doing you a favour closing this thread Matrixcutter, becuase its clear you only want to dig yourself deeper
I'm digging up.

However, if you continue to wish to use this thread to complain about moderation, don't be surpised if you accumulate more infraction points
In that case, instead, let's get back to 2 issues from earlier on:

1) You said that you can understand why people make these silly videos, and I asked you to explain this. Can you do that now?

2) I am still unclear about what "baiting" means, as you know. Can you give a precise definition? You can do it by PM if you don't want the thread going off-topic again.

[john white]

I am still unclear about what "baiting" means, as you know. Can you give a precise definition?

Three further points for ignored warning questioning moderation on the thread

[edelweiss pirate]

White..

You do actually know he's speaking the truth and you're penalising him?


Can someone shoot White full of wizard tranquiliser to stop his rampant power mad modding!

[john white]

White..

You do actually know he's speaking the truth and you're penalising him?


Can someone shoot White full of wizard tranquiliser to stop his rampant power mad modding!

Obviously you agree with Matrixcutters opinion Edelweiss: that does not make it truth. And his behaviour is not currently acceptable

Here's a question for you:

Do you think this Reptillian section should be deleted from the forum?

[edelweiss pirate]

No John I don't think it should be deleted.

I don't know that Reptilians don't exist. They might.

But I do know that those videos are phoney. That isn't even a matter of opinion.

We've all had scratched DVD's or downloaded poor quality movies... even digital TV, if the weather and reception are poor the image gets depixelated and the images start to lose their form.

I think if this kind of thing got out it would make a total laughing stock of our movement AND our forum.

Shayler's killed off the 9-11 truth movement with his selfish conceits... Is Archangel to do the same to us?

Please John and the rest of the forum mods, don't let history repeat itself.

We need to seem credible. Do you not wonder why Archangel actively contributes so much money to the forum?

Is it hard to imagine what might really be happening here?

You and I have known each other a long time John, in cyberspace at least, and I respect your views on many things.

I just think this once you may be on the wrong side.

[graflok]

No John I don't think it should be deleted.

I don't know that Reptilians don't exist. They might.

But I do know that those videos are phoney.

You (and matrixcutter) are trying to substitute one issue for another.

There are 2 distinct and separate issues:
1. are the reptile videos harming our "cause"
2. and the issue of matrixcutter's behavior on the forum

Whenever matrixcutter is called on his odious conduct he tries to hide behind
the skirts of some other issue such as the 'freedom of speech' or
the reptile video issue or whatever. Now you're doing the same thing.

No one is being criticized for expressing opinions, only for antagonistic
conduct that makes participation in the forum unpleasant for others.

[john white]

I think if this kind of thing got out it would make a total laughing stock of our movement AND our forum.

Shayler's killed off the 9-11 truth movement with his selfish conceits... Is Archangel to do the same to us?

Hang on a minute... do you really think Icke wouldnt get laughed about if hed never mentioned reptillians?

And what do you mean Shayler's killed off 9/11 truth? Nothing could be further than the truth! Shayler flamed out in style, sure, but for negligable impact, as shown by the media backing off from mocking him becuase they know they will get hit the other way by the sheer volume of pro 9/11 evidence... and as evidence for that, the BBC is going to be apologising for its Feb hitpeice in the very near future, and Cambridge University is also looking like having to make a full apology. Then there's loose change final cut now out, etc etc... 9/11 Truth never depended on one man and certianly can't be derailed by one man

Please John and the rest of the forum mods, don't let history repeat itself.

We need to seem credible. Do you not wonder why Archangel actively contributes so much money to the forum?

His advertising has ceased. He gets NO preferential treatment. That is the bottom line. Advertisers MAY post on the forum: why should they not? but they certainly dont own it, or own a say in forum policy

Is it hard to imagine what might really be happening here?

There is a little too much imagination at play

You and I have known each other a long time John, in cyberspace at least, and I respect your views on many things.

I just think this once you may be on the wrong side.


I appreciate your respect, and I understand your POV

Mine is (as you clearly do not disagree) that the Reptillian question is part of what this forum explores, and I further consider that this section is the ideal place to do so, and in my capacity as forum advisor, its is my view that certain imbalanced behaviours need to cease and balanced behaviours take their place. I am therefore acting accordingly

[woghd]

No John I don't think it should be deleted.

I don't know that Reptilians don't exist. They might.

But I do know that those videos are phoney. That isn't even a matter of opinion.

This is unfair comment. You may believe the videos are phoney. But that does not make them so. There are over 100 of these videos out now. Archangel Systems has only produced TWO. And it *is* a matter of opinion, as I have YET to hear of a single one being debunked.


We've all had scratched DVD's or downloaded poor quality movies... even digital TV, if the weather and reception are poor the image gets depixelated and the images start to lose their form.

Show me one that caused the president to grow a fang and cat-eyes. Sow me one that gave somebody scales. Those kinds of glitches don't happen.


I think if this kind of thing got out it would make a total laughing stock of our movement AND our forum.

Shayler's killed off the 9-11 truth movement with his selfish conceits... Is Archangel to do the same to us?

Again, this is an unfair comment. Plus you give me too much power. I would like to point out again that Archangel Systems has only produced TWO of the videos out there.

Please John and the rest of the forum mods, don't let history repeat itself.
We need to seem credible. Do you not wonder why Archangel actively contributes so much money to the forum?


I am only one of FOUR owners of realshapeshifters.com, and we contribute no more or less money than any other advertiser. We buy banner ads, big deal. So do lots of other outfits. It does not invalidate their products or messages.



Is it hard to imagine what might really be happening here?
You and I have known each other a long time John, in cyberspace at least, and I respect your views on many things.
I just think this once you may be on the wrong side.

We should all be on the SAME side. As long as people are "choosing sides" we will NEVER be able to come together and fight the NWO. Can you not see that by creating dicotomy, and asking people to choose sides, that you are playing straight into the hands of our enemies?

Archangel

PS. I would like to point out that we *have* suspended our advertising temporarily, due to complaints that we were getting preferential treatment. But that will probably change in the near future.

[edelweiss pirate]

Do you still maintain that a blue plastic bag is a lurking demon.

I don't know. I just don't get it. Why do people believe you?

Just when you think we're getting somewhere... we all go back to square one.

[gordonfreeman]

(I won't tell anyone who share this information to me)

What are Reptilians?

The Reptilian race has existed throughout the official and unofficial history of this planet. They live in the Orion constellation and they also live beheath the Earth's surface.

They are your ancestors and in every human there is a Reptilian DNA. Scientists even call a part of your brain a reptilian brain.

Reptilians are not a negative race. There are negative Reptilians and Positive Reptilians. But there are a lot of Reptilians in the Family of Dark and thus they have infiltrated the majority of the Reptilian race.

But we have to remember that there are positive Reptilians out there who want peace and Light.

The negative Reptilians, the so-called Stargods, came down from heavens and interbred with the Earth humans. Their offspring has become rulers of this planet - kings, world leaders, presidents, men of power and so on.

Your books, songs, folklore, movies, fairy tales are filled with facts about Reptilians, you just have to look more carefully to see them.

Currently there are 13 Reptilian bloodline families that are in control of Earth and within the next couple of years - all the way until 2012 - they will be revealed.

Their primal tool to control humans is fear. They also use Mind Control as the method to keep humans asleep and unaware of the real truth. All major religions are Reptilians and Illuminati controlled. There are secret societies within the secret societies. Reptilians also have a knowlede to shapeshift, possess humans and travel interdimensionally.

There are few who are controlling many and the Illuminaty and other secret societies are the one who is in charge. But as the humankind's awareness is expanding, all Reptilian and Illuminati lies will be revealed.

As long as the humans live in fear and think that they are powerless to do anything, they can be controlled by the Family of Dark.

You have to remember that you cannot fight the Reptilians, for you will not win the battle. Wars result in even more wars.

The only way to heal negative Reptilians is to turn them back to the Light. Even the most negative and the most powerful of the world leaders are a creature who lack any feeling of love, thus they are sucking energy, like the energy vampires.

Don't let them take your energy. Instead give them love and heal them. That is the true way of turning Darkness into Light.

Within the next 5 years, Earth and the humans will undergo many changes. In the year 2012, everything will culminate.

Remember that every change leads to you open your awareness more and more so you will become a spiritual being of Light.

[woghd]

Do you still maintain that a blue plastic bag is a lurking demon.

I don't know. I just don't get it. Why do people believe you?

Just when you think we're getting somewhere... we all go back to square one.


This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about right here...
At no point did we EVER maintain that the blue plastic chip bag was a demon. In fact we were the ones who DEBUNKED that. It's stated very plainly in the video. If you had actually watched the video, instead of listening to propaganda, you would know this.

Look I can tell you are a good person, trying to do the right thing. But it is painfully obvious at this point that you have been attacking a video that you have never even looked at. There is an entire section of the video dedicated to debunking the chip bag.

PLEASE at least watch the video before making judgements. I don't know what else to say. You are obviously a good hearted person, but you have been led astray.

Archangel

[john white]

This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about right here...
At no point did we EVER maintain that the blue plastic chip bag was a demon. In fact we were the ones who DEBUNKED that. It's stated very plainly in the video. If you had actually watched the video, instead of listening to propaganda, you would know this.

Look I can tell you are a good person, trying to do the right thing. But it is painfully obvious at this point that you have been attacking a video that you have never even looked at. There is an entire section of the video dedicated to debunking the chip bag.

PLEASE at least watch the video before making judgements. I don't know what else to say. You are obviously a good hearted person, but you have been led astray.

Archangel


This is a very good point

People debate far to often without studying other peoples material

[jimijams]

(I won't tell anyone who share this information to me)

What are Reptilians?

The Reptilian race has existed throughout the official and unofficial history of this planet. They live in the Orion constellation and they also live beheath the Earth's surface.

They are your ancestors and in every human there is a Reptilian DNA. Scientists even call a part of your brain a reptilian brain.

Reptilians are not a negative race. There are negative Reptilians and Positive Reptilians. But there are a lot of Reptilians in the Family of Dark and thus they have infiltrated the majority of the Reptilian race.

But we have to remember that there are positive Reptilians out there who want peace and Light.

The negative Reptilians, the so-called Stargods, came down from heavens and interbred with the Earth humans. Their offspring has become rulers of this planet - kings, world leaders, presidents, men of power and so on.

Your books, songs, folklore, movies, fairy tales are filled with facts about Reptilians, you just have to look more carefully to see them.

Currently there are 13 Reptilian bloodline families that are in control of Earth and within the next couple of years - all the way until 2012 - they will be revealed.

Their primal tool to control humans is fear. They also use Mind Control as the method to keep humans asleep and unaware of the real truth. All major religions are Reptilians and Illuminati controlled. There are secret societies within the secret societies. Reptilians also have a knowlede to shapeshift, possess humans and travel interdimensionally.

There are few who are controlling many and the Illuminaty and other secret societies are the one who is in charge. But as the humankind's awareness is expanding, all Reptilian and Illuminati lies will be revealed.

As long as the humans live in fear and think that they are powerless to do anything, they can be controlled by the Family of Dark.

You have to remember that you cannot fight the Reptilians, for you will not win the battle. Wars result in even more wars.

The only way to heal negative Reptilians is to turn them back to the Light. Even the most negative and the most powerful of the world leaders are a creature who lack any feeling of love, thus they are sucking energy, like the energy vampires.

Don't let them take your energy. Instead give them love and heal them. That is the true way of turning Darkness into Light.

Within the next 5 years, Earth and the humans will undergo many changes. In the year 2012, everything will culminate.

Remember that every change leads to you open your awareness more and more so you will become a spiritual being of Light.

Nice post, but nothing at all to do with the subject of the thread..

[kuro]

It's disturbing to think that people could be accused of being a 'reptilian' over video lag, which is what i'd be most worried about. Where is that woman in the famous reptilian video from? Im sure she'd be shocked to know shes all over the internet as a reptile. I've never seen an example of the reptilian described in The Biggest Secret, also im still conflicted as to whether these can only be seen on a different vibration frequency or if its possible to see them normally, also didn't Icke say that they can't hide from video cameras?

[woghd]

It's disturbing to think that people could be accused of being a 'reptilian' over video lag, which is what i'd be most worried about. Where is that woman in the famous reptilian video from? Im sure she'd be shocked to know shes all over the internet as a reptile. I've never seen an example of the reptilian described in The Biggest Secret, also im still conflicted as to whether these can only be seen on a different vibration frequency or if its possible to see them normally, also didn't Icke say that they can't hide from video cameras?

Your concerns, I believe, are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187566&postcount=7

If you still have questions, I'm happy to answer.

Archangel

[breakitdown]

Your concerns, I believe, are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187566&postcount=7

If you still have questions, I'm happy to answer.

Archangel

The quality of the video is absolutely shocking, and i mean shocking! This is down to the poor quality of camera used and thus the resulting appauling quality of video, the poor lighting in general, and the almost complete lack of any properly maintained focus.

If you could produce a video to the standard of lets say a BBC Wildlife documentary in terms of quality/focus and the same as you claim to be "shape shifting" were to occur i would be part way convinced.

That film is of such poor quality it looks like its from a mobile phone!!

This is a serious problem, please do not fob off issues about quality as irrelevant - it is more than relevant, the quality and focus of the video is PARAMOUNT to you suggesting this is suitable evidence!

you mentiomed you were going to interview the "reptile woman".... call me cynical but i bet nothing more has come of that....

please, im open to a lot of possibilites but that video is laughable as any sort of evidence

[woghd]

The quality of the video is absolutely shocking, and i mean shocking! This is down to the poor quality of camera used and thus the resulting appauling quality of video, the poor lighting in general, and the almost complete lack of any properly maintained focus.

If you could produce a video to the standard of lets say a BBC Wildlife documentary in terms of quality/focus and the same as you claim to be "shape shifting" were to occur i would be part way convinced.

That film is of such poor quality it looks like its from a mobile phone!!

This is a serious problem, please do not fob off issues about quality as irrelevant - it is more than relevant, the quality and focus of the video is PARAMOUNT to you suggesting this is suitable evidence!

you mentiomed you were going to interview the "reptile woman".... call me cynical but i bet nothing more has come of that....

please, im open to a lot of possibilites but that video is laughable as any sort of evidence


That's one nice first post...
Welcome to the Icke Forums.

Archangel

[thirdwave]

I do agree that the quality of the video does kind of ruin the waight of it... but then again there are some odd things going on in the video...

the thing is, bad quality video is due to not all of the light (code) going to the brain (cam) ... so as a result we see another image.... this is how I believe it works with real shape shifting...

I am not convinced it can happen with Cams.... but I am always open minded about anything that does not really have an explanation to it... as then you would be brushing something off with a blind spot.

If someone can tell me why other images are created due to a lack of code (compression) coming through... why it is often inconsistent ..so on... I am happy to brush this off..... but It is interesting how the lack of code does create other images other than just take image away....

there is also that figure in the back ground which of course (if the video is %100 un touched) is very interesting indeed.

the question is... do the people who do not believe this is a video of any relevance.... do you believe in shape shifting at all? ... or you do, but just not this vdeo... because if you do not believe in shape shifting at all then of course you wont see this video as relevant... because I %100 believe shape shifting is real, I am open minded to these videos...

[breakitdown]

That's one nice first post...
Welcome to the Icke Forums.

Archangel

Sorry to be harsh, its not personal.

[woghd]

Sorry to be harsh, its not personal.

Your concerns about quality are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...66&postcount=7

And how do you feel about the better parts of the video, as well as other videos which have been shot on the best of equipment?

Archangel

[breakitdown]

the question is... do the people who do not believe this is a video of any relevance.... do you believe in shape shifting at all? ... or you do, but just not this vdeo... because if you do not believe in shape shifting at all then of course you wont see this video as relevant... because I %100 believe shape shifting is real, I am open minded to these videos...

In my opinion it is neither real nor possible however -

Evidence would prove otherwise, but this is nowhere near the quality if evidence i require.

Belief for me is not something i rely on, ive paid the price in the past.

[breakitdown]

Your concerns about quality are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...66&postcount=7

And how do you feel about the better parts of the video, as well as other videos which have been shot on the best of equipment?

Archangel


please direct me to them and i will view

cheers


dave

[breakitdown]

Your concerns about quality are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...66&postcount=7

And how do you feel about the better parts of the video, as well as other videos which have been shot on the best of equipment?

Archangel


link is broken, can u resend please

cheers d

[woghd]

link is broken, can u resend please

cheers d

My bad.
Here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187566&postcount=7

Archangel

[breakitdown]

Your concerns about quality are addressed here:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showp...66&postcount=7

And how do you feel about the better parts of the video, as well as other videos which have been shot on the best of equipment?

Archangel

"There are some sections of the film that have horrible quality, however there are other sections which are of excellent quality, and have extreme close-ups. The video is an unbroken piece of footage with the subject in view at all times, a single source of natural light, and a 360 degree panoramic view of the area. This makes the overall quality and value of the film much better than either the Zapruder film (Kennedy Assassination) or the Patterson footage (Bigfoot)."

In my opinion there is not a single second of that video which i would call "excellent quality," further there is not a single "extreme close up" which is either acurately focused or of excellent quality.

I was a photography student and am a keen amateur photographer - i know the difference between out of focus bad work and a crystal clear, sharp image. I have a helmet cam which i use when climbing, mtb'ing, driving and whilst very unsophisicated produces much better quality imaging.

In my opinion (i dont want to sound repetitive but i dont wish to insult, hence my opinion) you are trying to show changes in this womans "being" i.e shape-shifting. Now i realise you didnt shoot this video (or did you?) but have to work with someone elses efforts, however this doesnt negate the fact that compared to serious work (i.e BBC wildlife docu, just for example) it is damn right shocking and so distorted by the quality of camera/light that any potential "changes" are simply unable to be attributed to anything other than the aforementioned cameras inability to keep focued/adjust to light conditions.

I hope my position clear in respect of above.

[woghd]

"There are some sections of the film that have horrible quality, however there are other sections which are of excellent quality, and have extreme close-ups. The video is an unbroken piece of footage with the subject in view at all times, a single source of natural light, and a 360 degree panoramic view of the area. This makes the overall quality and value of the film much better than either the Zapruder film (Kennedy Assassination) or the Patterson footage (Bigfoot)."

In my opinion there is not a single second of that video which i would call "excellent quality," further there is not a single "extreme close up" which is either acurately focused or of excellent quality.

I was a photography student and am a keen amateur photographer - i know the difference between out of focus bad work and a crystal clear, sharp image. I have a helmet cam which i use when climbing, mtb'ing, driving and whilst very unsophisicated produces much better quality imaging.

In my opinion (i dont want to sound repetitive but i dont wish to insult, hence my opinion) you are trying to show changes in this womans "being" i.e shape-shifting. Now i realise you didnt shoot this video (or did you?) but have to work with someone elses efforts, however this doesnt negate the fact that compared to serious work (i.e BBC wildlife docu, just for example) it is damn right shocking and so distorted by the quality of camera/light that any potential "changes" are simply unable to be attributed to anything other than the aforementioned cameras inability to keep focued/adjust to light conditions.

I hope my position clear in respect of above.

Perhaps you are giving too much attention to a single video. There are over 100 videos out there, some made at CNN, CBS, etc., with millions of dollars worth of equipment. Perhaps one of those will provide the evidence you seek.

Archangel

[breakitdown]

you seem to put a lot of emphasis on the "reptile woman" video, that why i questioned it.

Ive been looking at the various youtube efforts but still cant find anything remotely convincing.

can you point me in the right riection please?

d

[woghd]

you seem to put a lot of emphasis on the "reptile woman" video, that why i questioned it.

Ive been looking at the various youtube efforts but still cant find anything remotely convincing.

can you point me in the right riection please?

d

Sure.
humanswin,meatclown,hashemsfilms, and canadianvandal all have excellent videos. Enjoy!

Archangel

[breakitdown]

Sure.
humanswin,meatclown,hashemsfilms, and canadianvandal all have excellent videos. Enjoy!

Archangel

Are these the others related to your website venture?

[woghd]

Are these the others related to your website venture?

No not all of them, why?
...and it's not my website. (assuming you are talking about realshapeshifters.com)

Archangel

[edelweiss pirate]

I've looked at those videos.. The videos tend to be zoomed and recorded at medium resolution. Simply the resolution is not high enough to capture and show the subtle nuance of small round pupils. they look blocky or so called reptilian because there is not resolution to show their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/A8iw-yuxQok


If you were looking at the person in the flesh their eyes would appear perfectly normal.

We had a similar disinfo trick a while back with some guy trying to claim that chromatic lens aberation from binoculars was actually a UFO. It was embarrassing how many people got sucked into that...

If you don't remain vigilant we will lose everything.

[woghd]

I've looked at those videos.. The videos tend to be zoomed and recorded at medium resolution. Simply the resolution is not high enough to capture and show the subtle nuance of small round pupils. they look blocky or so called reptilian because there is not resolution to show their eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/v/A8iw-yuxQok


If you were looking at the person in the flesh their eyes would appear perfectly normal.

We had a similar disinfo trick a while back with some guy trying to claim that chromatic lens aberation from binoculars was actually a UFO. It was embarrassing how many people got sucked into that...

If you don't remain vigilant we will lose everything.

Honestly, Hillary Clinton appears to be displaying eye evidence bigtime.

That's a good POSSIBLE explanation tho. Unfortunately, until somebody re-creates it, as they did with the binoculars, it's just a theory. It also does not explain those cases where cat eyes are seen in extreme close-ups. I won't even go into color changes, tooth evidence, behavioral evidence and skin evidence.

I Would like to see somebody re-create some of this stuff someday tho.

Archangel

ps...Using terms like "disinfo trick" is pretty harsh, not to mention argumentative and agressive, and prolly shouldn't be used without some kind of proof. CanadianVandal has a pretty solid reputation.

[matrixcutter]

ps...Using terms like "disinfo trick" is pretty harsh, not to mention argumentative and agressive, and prolly shouldn't be used without some kind of proof.
LOL (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13022)

[matrixcutter]

Hang on a minute... do you really think Icke wouldnt get laughed about if hed never mentioned reptillians?
Icke went on national TV and compared himself to Jesus, strongly suggesting that he believed himself to be the son of God, so he was a national laughing stock years before he ever mentioned the "shape-shifting reptilians".

By his own admission he was laughed at every time he walked into a pub, or just walked down the street. He said that a comedian only had to mention his name to get a big laugh.

All that calmed down after a few years, but the reptile thing has taken it up to a new level.

Either way, he definitely has some verifiable information on the global agenda that has been unfolding in front of our eyes our whole lives, and the addition of the reptilian thing makes all of it easily dismissable by millions of people, who "throw the baby out with the bathwater".

[matrixcutter]

Brandon Corey: A Lesson in Research (October 31, 2006) (http://kentroversypapers.blogspot.com/2006/10/brandon-corey-lesson-in-research.html)
From Kentroversypapers.net (http://kentroversypapers.net/)

This was a 'documentary' until people were able to debunk it, as I have pointed out here in this space. THEN, all of the sudden, it is a Hollywood film.

Truthseeker TV is marketing to a group of people who are sick and tired of being lied to. And, the technique they employ?

They LIE to their viewers ... and provide disinformation. The same disinformation that they claim to be against!

I don't know about you, dear reader, but for me, one film is more than enough from Truthseeker TV.

[matrixcutter]

Honestly, Hillary Clinton appears to be displaying eye evidence bigtime.
LOL

Yes, she has eyes.

[woghd]

To Everyone:

FACT: There are now over 100 of these shapeshifting videos and the number is growing.

FACT: Many of these videos are of extremely high quality

FACT: Not a single one of these videos has ever been debunked. (other than by critics who do a lot of talking and say nothing) NOT A SINGLE ONE. No scientific testing has yielded any signs of photoshopping or digital manipulation. No testing has revealed anything untoward about ANY of these videos. NOT ONE. No debunking at all, inspite of a large reward!

FACT: These videos are showing exactly what they appear to be showing. A shapeshift.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[edelweiss pirate]

To Everyone:


FACT: Not a single one of these videos has ever been debunked. (other than by critics who do a lot of talking and say nothing) NOT A SINGLE ONE. No scientific testing has yielded any signs of photoshopping or digital manipulation. No testing has revealed anything untoward about ANY of these videos. NOT ONE. No debunking at all, inspite of a large reward!



So where's my reward.. I've debunked every video of yours I've seen.

It's either a case of radical zoom then wobble the image about then pause to show so called blocky reptilian eyes at low resolution.

Or glitchy bad quality camera phone getting depixelated.

Pay up sonny!

But it's as obvious as snow that the reward is as fake as the claims you make.

[matrixcutter]

To Everyone:

FACT: There are now over 100 of these shapeshifting videos and the number is growing.
Simply writing "fact" in capital letters before a statement does not make it important.


FACT: Many of these videos are of extremely high quality
Or true.
How many? Are "many" of them extremely low quality too?


FACT: Not a single one of these videos has ever been debunked. (other than by critics who do a lot of talking and say nothing)
LOL
Not one of them has been debunked, except by people who debunked it, who I will dismiss as "critics". Bwahaha.

That is legendary.


NOT A SINGLE ONE.
True, not a single one, but "many".


No debunking at all, inspite of a large reward!
No, what you mean is that this hypothetical reward you ask us to believe was mysteriously donated to you on a mysterious weekend away, has not been claimed. You have also said that it is literally impossible to claim that reward, which is one of few things you have said that is obviously true.


FACT: These videos are showing exactly what they appear to be showing. A shapeshift.
No, they are not.
Even people who strongly believe in reptilians have rejected your ridiculous videos.

[woghd]

I've consulted a dictionary and have come to the conclusion that every reptilian video ever made has been soundly debunked! Here is what I have found:

disprove [dis?pru?v] verb
to prove to be false or wrong
Example: His theories have been disproved by modern scientific research.


de·bunk (de--bu(ngk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To disparage, ridicule, or lampoon.

CONCLUSION: While many skeptics, disinfo agents and paid trolls have been debunking the videos with ridicule and lampooning, not a single video has been scientifically DISPROVEN. Not a single one.

To debunk, one needs only the ability to speak.
To disprove, one needs scientific evidence.

Archangel

[matrixcutter]

I've consulted a dictionary and have come to the conclusion that every reptilian video ever made has been soundly debunked! Here is what I have found:

disprove [dis?pru?v] verb
to prove to be false or wrong
Example: His theories have been disproved by modern scientific research.


de·bunk (de--bu(ngk') Pronunciation Key
tr.v. de·bunked, de·bunk·ing, de·bunks
To disparage, ridicule, or lampoon.

CONCLUSION: While many skeptics, disinfo agents and paid trolls have been debunking the videos with ridicule and lampooning, not a single video has been scientifically DISPROVEN. Not a single one.

To debunk, one needs only the ability to speak.
To disprove, one needs scientific evidence.

Archangel
Your videos have been disproven.
Just saying over and over and over again that they haven't, and pointing to some fictional reward (which inevitably hasn't been claimed) to support your comedy assertions, doesn't make them true. Neither does insinuating (or explicitly stating, which happens to be forbidden) that anybody who says so is a paid troll or disinfo agent.

[seer74]

Actually, no, these videos have NOT been disproven. I am not convinced of their authenticity. But one thing that has NOT been proven is that they are not.

I do believe in the Reptilians, no, I KNOW they are real (Or as real as anything in the matrix!!) I personally do not transfer 4th dimensional entitys into a reptilian form because I perceive 4th dimensionally as it is, formless. The average person translates 4th dimensional beings into a 5-sense form because the average person is conditioned not to concieve 4th dimensionally, so when the conditioned mind is confronted with a 4th dimensional being they translate into a sense they know how to process, and when seeing a "bad" 4th dimensional being perceive it as reptilian because this represents its nature. The reptilians these videos seem to show would, of course be 3rd dimensional shapeshifters which I'm not sure exist, though i do not put it outside the realm of possibility. Such creatures being actual reptiles themselves would be easily made to serve the 4th dimensional "reptiles" by perceiving them as kin. 3rd dimensional beings working for 4th dimensional prison warders would easily be given the ability to shapeshift because the 4th dimensional prison warders are able to manipulate the appearance of things in the matrix that forms the 3rd dimension. In that case the growing number of people who know things aren't what they seem in the matrix would be the reason why the 4th dimensional "reptilians" seem to be slipping in their illusionist skills, causing such shapeshifters to accidentally give glimpses of their true form.

Back to the original question posed by this thread. IF these videos were fake (which they may or may not be) they could easily damage efforts to expose the "reptilian agenda" when they are debunked (which they haven't REALLY been). Like someone said, people "throw the baby out with the bathwater". This could for some be a purpose for manufactureing fake video "evidence". IF they are fake.

[graflok]

Your videos have been disproven. ...

Give it a rest. Woghd has the right to post what he posts. Period.

If you have issues with it, don't read it.

[tinmenace]

Give it a rest. Woghd has the right to post what he posts. Period.

If you have issues with it, don't read it.

Exactly.

Oy! What is so hard to understand about that? :confused: