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revelations
13-11-2007, 02:33 AM
75% of prisoners in the UK are serving custodial sentence's for drug related crimes. When a prisoner is let out of prison (with no after care) they are given their travel expences to get home and the State provide them with a giro that is to last them 2 weeks.
Now even if you apply for benefit on the day that you are released, it takes 4 weeks for the claim to be processed.
So by the time an ex convict has been out of nick for 2 weeks he has/she is left with no money for food, heating, shelter for another 2 weeks!
Keep in mind that 75% of them also have a rageing drug addiction!
Can you see the promblem the Governments are causing here?
They flood the streets with heroin, crack etc, then they lock you up for it, then they release back into society with no after care and hardly any money to pay for basic needs.
To top that off instead of addressing the drug problems (which they create) they just build more prisons with the tax payers money so that they can lock away even more people... its fucking crazy!
i know man, i know. =( not to mention when you go to prision, you basically become racist. fucking sad.
carlg1212
13-11-2007, 03:24 AM
Can you see the promblem the Governments are causing here?
They flood the streets with heroin, crack etc, then they lock you up for it, then they release back into society with no after care and hardly any money to pay for basic needs.
Regadless if the government "floods the streets" with drugs, people have a choice whether they indulge.
Where's the responsibility? Drugs fuck up your mind.
revelations
13-11-2007, 03:27 AM
...and the Governments fuck up society in many different ways, this is just one of them.
Drugs fuck up your mind.
dmt head
13-11-2007, 03:36 AM
That is terrible if they have to go two weeks without money but they can get a crisis loan and they can go and stay in a hostel, where I am anyway, and they do get priority with housing and also are assigned a support worker and they also get a community care grant which they dont have to pay back, people who dont go to jail have to pay it back. The governments do flood the streets with drugs though, as soon as the US invaded afghanistan that was the heroin production back up and running, the taliban stopped that. Prohibition though is a joke, it all started cos the american government didnt want the youth taking it, it is one of the biggest violations of civil liberties around.
carlg1212
13-11-2007, 03:44 AM
...and the Governments fuck up society in many different ways, this is just one of them.
There's a solution...don't do drugs.
carlg1212
13-11-2007, 03:45 AM
That is terrible if they have to go two weeks without money but they can get a crisis loan and they can go and stay in a hostel, where I am anyway, and they do get priority with housing and also are assigned a support worker and they also get a community care grant which they dont have to pay back, people who dont go to jail have to pay it back. The governments do flood the streets with drugs though, as soon as the US invaded afghanistan that was the heroin production back up and running, the taliban stopped that. Prohibition though is a joke, it all started cos the american government didnt want the youth taking it, it is one of the biggest violations of civil liberties around.
I agree. Although the Taliban are ruthless in many ways, they stopped heroin production. The U.S. (aka, the NWO) can't have that, so the Taliban must go.
dmt head
13-11-2007, 03:48 AM
Yes bet that was one of many reasons, oil, 9/11 , war on terror
revelations
13-11-2007, 03:58 AM
Thats right ...they do get a crisis loan. This is the 2 week payment they get. Well its value is that of two weeks benefit.
[QUOTE]=That is terrible if they have to go two weeks without money but they can get a crisis loan and they can go and stay in a hostel, where I am anyway,[QUOTE]
dmt head
13-11-2007, 04:08 AM
Ahh I see what your saying sorry misread it. Yes that is a disgrace, what good is that to anyone, though if they get a place in a hostel theyll be fed and clothed and have a bed but thats not possible everywhere. Still a joke though, so much for rehabillitation, and for drugs as well :mad:
There's a solution...don't do drugs.
true. but you gotta understand, most of the people addicted to heavy duty drugs have never had anywhere to go there whole life - born into it.
it's all by design.
mynameis
13-11-2007, 04:42 AM
Regadless if the government "floods the streets" with drugs, people have a choice whether they indulge.
Where's the responsibility? Drugs fuck up your mind.
You can always legalize the ones that are petty.
optimus pigpot
13-11-2007, 06:14 AM
i know man, i know. =( not to mention when you go to prision, you basically become racist. fucking sad.
This post is crap, pigpotabots do not go to prison on Planet Pigpotatron and come out racists..... They do not say, "Well, I hate all Friesan cow's and Impala's, plus those nigger loving, candy ass, mother fucking Zebra Finches........."
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Leader of the Pigpotabot's decrees, The massage ends.........
Some do some don't, there is a trend but choice is something I'm not sure we have. We will find out....... in the next episode of PIGS IN SPACE.........
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cruise4
13-11-2007, 08:26 PM
There is NO serious attempt at rehabilitation. Forget that. And you can get drugs easier in prison than outside in many places. Drugs have good and bad elements... much more than just the substance, a problem needs. No Alcohol = No Alcoholics.... but are we really saying some of us don't enjoy the odd drink. The 'Just say No' brigade need to address reality.
Basically putting anyone in Prison for anything other than violence is patently absurd. And you could argue... even then.
To me prisons are an admission of failure. I tentatively suggest they do nobody any good.
carlg1212
14-11-2007, 12:59 AM
true. but you gotta understand, most of the people addicted to heavy duty drugs have never had anywhere to go there whole life - born into it.
it's all by design.
Are you saying they don't have a choice? I disagree.
cruise4
14-11-2007, 01:11 AM
But for the Grace of God there goes you. Product of your environment and all that. You have no idea whether they had a choice or not. You have no idea whether you'd have had a choice in their place. Choice is not necessarily a product of logic.
revelations
14-11-2007, 01:11 AM
The system is designed to split families up, there are thousand's of kids in the UK alone growing up without a father figure and taking on role models fabricated by the Illuminati like pop, rap stars etc who all take drugs! There are also thousands of kids growing up on poor council estates that are from broken families who turn to drugs just for an escape routte or to be in with the crowd ...who in time get addicted, then end up in jail!Are you saying they don't have a choice? I disagree.
revelations
14-11-2007, 01:11 AM
:DBut for the Grace of God there goes you. Product of your environment and all that. You have no idea whether they had a choice or not. You have no idea whether you'd have had a choice in their place. Choice is not necessarily a product of logic.
steevo
14-11-2007, 01:24 AM
The system is designed to split families up, there are thousand's of kids in the UK alone growing up without a father figure and taking on role models fabricated by the Illuminati like pop, rap stars etc who all take drugs! There are also thousands of kids growing up on poor council estates that are from broken families who turn to drugs just for an escape routte or to be in with the crowd ...who in time get addicted, then end up in jail!
Me and my other half were talking about exactly the same thing the other day. The system is definitely designed to split communities, families, men and women, fat people, thin people, black white asian, everybody. And yes people turn to drink and drugs, and the system is designed to get as many of us on drink and drugs as possible. It's plain to see, I hardly ever watch tv now because of this (and the rest).
Some people have said to me (in the past) that I am so "goody goody" cos I hardly drink or dont smoke or do drugs. I dont conform. And they think THEY are the rebellious non-conformists lol Dont get me wrong I dont blame the drug addicts because I know it has been pushed on them and society and the system has caused it.
I think it was James Whale last night on TalkSport saying that the Jail system is wrong because they jail drug addicts and then when the let them out they get 2 weeks money to live on and they have to apply to the social for more money but it takes four weeks to process it so that means the drug addict is in need of a fix and has no money.
revelations
14-11-2007, 01:27 AM
Good post steevo ...totaly agree! :)
carlg1212
14-11-2007, 03:27 AM
But for the Grace of God there goes you. Product of your environment and all that. You have no idea whether they had a choice or not. You have no idea whether you'd have had a choice in their place. Choice is not necessarily a product of logic.
And into the well of self-pity go some, blaming the government for all inequities, when in fact, most "problems" are poor choices. The government doesn't force you to smoke weed, or snort coke, or shoot heroin. Yet they have the solution, don't they? PRS.
titurel
14-11-2007, 03:33 AM
Lifers, in Wormwood Scrubs Prison are guarded by Masonic prison wardens!:
Wormwood Scrubs Prison and Freemasonry
http://www.freewebs.com/tonysomers/thefreemasons.htm
One premier London Lodge has, in a matter of years, completely changed its character due to an influx of prison officers from Wormwood Scrubs Prison.
Lodge La Tolerance No 538, consecrated in 1847, until recently considered something of an elite Lodge, was in need of new members. One of the brethren knew a senior officer at the Scrubs who was interested in joining the Brotherhood, and it was agreed that he should be considered.
The prison officer was interviewed and accepted into the Lodge. Such was the interest among the new initiate's colleagues that one by one the number of prison officers in Lodge La Tolerance increased. As more and more joined, so more and more older members left because they were unhappy with the changing character of the Lodge. Lodge No 538 is now dominated by prison officers from the Scrubs, where it is strongest in D Wing, the lifers' section.