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poorbutterfly

11-10-2010, 04:27 AM

I've come to understand that the ego is an 'outgrowth' of our experiences and relationships, and that our thoughts and feelings are tied up in this, but where "is" the ego. As with the mind, it wouldn't be something that can be seen with the human eye. Is it part of the conscious mind, subconscious mind, or...?

Those reading and responding to this might have a different viewpoint about what the ego is, but I'm mainly concerned with answers to the question of 'where' it is. I get it that the real Self is not the ego, but I think our knee-jerk reactions in life are, so in what way is it connected to us?

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orb27

11-10-2010, 07:21 AM

The ego is often referred to as the false "self." Where is it? Well where is my mind as the Pixies wrote... the ego is not real, but it exists and plays a major role in most of our lives.

The ego will keep you looking "out there" for contentment, you'll always want alittle more. "If only I had a million pounds in the bank I'd be happy, if only I had a wife who loved me, if only I had good kids" etc etc ... if only, if only. The ego keeps us out of the here and now (all that is there), and craves attention. It wants to draw us out of ourselves - Look around the forum, all the fighting, arguing and sniping that goes on is between egos who want to demonstrate what they know... "I'm better/bigger than this fool" etc. The ego wants to define everything, it wants to define itself... concrete answers, left brain orientated. "I want to be happy in myself/proud of myself" etc. We can never be happy in ourselves, ashamed of ourselves, angry with ourselves because we are ourselves... there is only one of us, so you "be" happy, or angry, or sad etc... feel the emotion fully and then let it go - It's not you, but once we identify with it this is where all the trouble arises. The more centred we are, and the more presence we bring then the less control ego has. Simply listening to someone can be a great healing in itself.

If you get on a bus and see the madman talking out loud to himself, this is ego in the extreme. However we're all talking to ourselves, that little voice in our heads telling us "we're not good enough, we're better/or worse than so and so."

The satanist who walks the dark path is trapped in ego (self) to a large extent - Also the "light and love" healer who believes (s)he is on "the path" is likewise sabotaging him/herself to some degree. As is said a true madman doesn't know that he's mad, and madness is the ego in overdrive. You could say that those in control of our planet right now are egomaniacs, but we are all part of it.

heuer

11-10-2010, 07:36 AM

orb27

11-10-2010, 07:56 AM

I don't admit to being perfect, so don't get me wrong. But I do agree with the post stated above.

The ego in itself is very difficult to overcome.

Once abolished though, I can only imagine the beauty of life.

I agree heuer it is very difficult to overcome and the more aware of it we are the cuter it gets. There's only one poster on this forum I've noticed who consistantly demonstrates being free of ego, what I'd term "awakened," and that's sevenworlds who doesn't post here very often now. The level of genius in his posts regarding human consciousness is literally mind blowing. I think when ego is ready to die/dissolve it will and there's not much we can do to force it.

marina2012

11-10-2010, 05:40 PM

Q: Where Does the Ego Reside?

A: WRONG QUESTION!!!

codie

11-10-2010, 06:20 PM

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marina2012

11-10-2010, 06:20 PM

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marina2012

11-10-2010, 06:21 PM

poorbutterfly

11-10-2010, 06:59 PM

Q: Where Does the Ego Reside?

A: WRONG QUESTION!!!
Wrong answer! LOL

If a question can be thought of, I don't see how it can be wrong. It's certainly not wrong for me, and I've been asking for a long, long time. I know it exists and I know what it is and does, but where is it?

It can probably ruled out that the ego resides in consciousness. What else does that leave? Mind/ Soul, Subconscious, Id, anything else?

octopusrex

11-10-2010, 07:02 PM

Far as I understand, the Ego is mind-based.

poorbutterfly

11-10-2010, 07:11 PM

Far as I understand, the Ego is mind-based.

I think that must be right, too, and isn't that also where the Soul is? Michael Tsarion said the ego was born out of the great tragedy of the flood, and was 'created' so humans could survive the extreme trauma of that time. It works against us in so many ways now, though.

useless

11-10-2010, 07:22 PM

I think that must be right, too, and isn't that also where the Soul is? Michael Tsarion said the ego was born out of the great tragedy of the flood, and was 'created' so humans could survive the extreme trauma of that time. It works against us in so many ways now, though.

Michael Tsarion is a good story teller :)

ragnarok

11-10-2010, 07:24 PM

Seeing as the atoms that make up the biological components that give rise to a person's ego are mostly empty space, what does that say about our 'personalities'?

gushen

11-10-2010, 08:55 PM

NOWHERE

The person is looking or tending for something that simply isn't there. Believing that you have an "I" is in itself the essence of what ego is. You are not an "I".

Same thing as David Icke's "combing the mirror " analogy. You want to comb the mirror, but your reflection (ego) isn't real, it isn't there.

deckard666

11-10-2010, 09:19 PM

I've come to understand that the ego is an 'outgrowth' of our experiences and relationships, and that our thoughts and feelings are tied up in this, but where "is" the ego. As with the mind, it wouldn't be something that can be seen with the human eye. Is it part of the conscious mind, subconscious mind, or...?

Those reading and responding to this might have a different viewpoint about what the ego is, but I'm mainly concerned with answers to the question of 'where' it is. I get it that the real Self is not the ego, but I think our knee-jerk reactions in life are, so in what way is it connected to us?

Do I understand it right that you are concerned to find a way to identify the "borders" of the self and the ego (and their purpose)?

Namaste,

Deckard666

poorbutterfly

12-10-2010, 12:02 AM

poorbutterfly

12-10-2010, 12:04 AM

Do I understand it right that you are concerned to find a way to identify the "borders" of the self and the ego (and their purpose)?

Namaste,

Deckard666
I'm not sure what you're saying. What I'm asking is, like the 'mind' which cannot be seen with the human eye so no one really knows where it exists, is it the same with the ego? Can we just not know where it exists?

If the ego is within the mind or soul, that's an answer, but where is the mind and soul?

orb27

12-10-2010, 12:24 AM

If the ego is within the mind or soul, that's an answer, but where is the mind and soul?

Are you sure you have "a soul" - Are you sure you have a life? Are you not life itself, are you not a being. That which you speak of is you. You are trying to define what you are and this is ego surfacing.

kingmob

12-10-2010, 12:29 AM

Look straight into an asshole, you might see it from there. Ego is an asshole, so that should make sense to everyone.

orb27

12-10-2010, 12:50 AM

NOWHERE
The person is looking or tending for something that simply isn't there. Believing that you have an "I" is in itself the essence of what ego is.

That's a very good point, we continually split ourselves in two and it's obvious in the language that we use - me/you - my/self.

There was a film a few years back with Dustin Hoffman and Jude Law called "I Heart Huckabees." Near the end Laws character (who was an egotistical business type) finally began to awaken when he suddenly asked himself the question "how am I not my/self?" Decent flick, well worth checking out.

poorbutterfly

12-10-2010, 01:49 AM

You are trying to define what you are
Nope - you are answering a question that wasn't asked.
and this is ego surfacing.
But where does that reside? That's all I've asked. Answering anything else doesn't apply to this thread. I'm not asking what ego is or what it does or how we got it or even whether it exists.

orb27

12-10-2010, 02:17 AM

But where does that reside? That's all I've asked. Answering anything else doesn't apply to this thread.

And it's an excellent question, this is either going to be a very long or a very short thread. If anyone can say where it is then I'll tell you the sound of one hand clapping. ;)

zsymon

12-10-2010, 03:01 AM

Ego isn't part of us, it is an energy that is projected at us to prevent us
from spiritually awakening, to hold us in deficits and have us focus on what
we can do for ourself instead of on what we can do for others. It makes us
focus on what we don't have, instead of on what we do have, and it makes
us feel hurt when someone insults us.

Part of spiritual awakening is to become completely free of ego.

gushen

12-10-2010, 03:42 AM

Okay, but if it doesn't exist, including the reflection in the mirror, then neither does this message board.

Ego does exist, but it exists as an illusion. Just like holograms exist, yet they are not solid to the touch, hence not strictly "real".

The ego resides somewhere after all -> at infinity, but also " nowhere" by definition because infinity isn't reachable. So people will be walking around in circles , while they believe that they are nearing something lying at a far distance, and so they never really reach their illusory goal . This is why ego can be said to reside at infinity. Example: the person who wants to be rich and famous eventually becomes rich and famous, but once they get there they find nothing of spiritual value. The person realizes the quest was an illusion and that he/she never left the place in reality. A truly great journey does not come to a permanent destination. The egotistical journey seeks to arrive to a permanent destination where a certain image that one has of oneself can be sustained forever.

poorbutterfly

12-10-2010, 03:59 AM

And it's an excellent question, this is either going to be a very long or a very short thread. If anyone can say where it is then I'll tell you the sound of one hand clapping. ;)

I believe I have my answer. I know everyone else has their own or maybe still looking for one, and I fully support that.

kassondra8

12-10-2010, 05:23 AM

Look straight into an asshole, you might see it from there. Ego is an asshole, so that should make sense to everyone.

HAHA! Yup, makes sense. Rofl.

Where is the ego? The ego exists in the conscious mind. Every conscious mind has it's own perspective on reality, it's own ego. How the individual percieves the concept of "ego" dictates the level of relationship between awareness and the ego. By level of relationship, I mean how much you identify with your ego.

Hmmm...I would say ego is just an individual's perspective of self within the whole, and there are infinite perspectives (vibrations). To exist in separation or a "reality", no matter what vibration, we have to take on some form of individual perspective - ego. I think we all define ego a little differently.

poorbutterfly

12-10-2010, 08:16 PM

Look straight into an asshole, you might see it from there. Ego is an asshole, so that should make sense to everyone.
That's just one version of ego. If we didn't have any at all, we wouldn't eat or take care of ourselves; it's partly what keeps us going. It is excess ego that trips us up and keeps our vibrations lowered so as to stay attached to 3rd dimension.

Another version of ego, for example, is someone who has Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder. Their fearful reactions are coming from ego, but it doesn't make them an asshole - they've probably been a victim of one, though. This is one of the things that leads me to believe the ego resides in the sub-conscious mind. So far, that is the best answer I can find, and the one that makes the most sense.

lizzyking

13-10-2010, 03:55 AM

And it's an excellent question, this is either going to be a very long or a very short thread. If anyone can say where it is then I'll tell you the sound of one hand clapping. ;)

What happens when there is an alter ego? What does that sound like? ;)

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