Do christians believe the're going to heaven?

[father ted]

Do christians believe they're actually going to heaven? This gives them the right to be holier than thou and the mentality that goes with it.

Unfortunately this type of mentality isn't subject to christianity alone, but spreads to a whole range of people no matter what their views might be:rolleyes:. The new age movement is an example of this.

[deca]

I don`t take I.O.U`s ,I want my reward while I am still living,don`t think god gives refounds:D

[octopusrex]

The three worlds, heaven, hell and the middle-earth are all interwoven into the same reality.

Depends on how you want to see them.

Depends on what you want to see.

Depends on what you see.

[euthymius]

Evangelical, fundementalist and protestant "Christians" have given Christianity a black eye in the eyes of the world. These people do NOT represent true Christianity. They are fakes and bone heads. Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

[beyond]

Christianity isn\'t about going to heaven, it\'s just a religion. Believing in Jesus Christ is the way to heaven, it\'s not about religion, but belief. That\'s what you call faith.

[mariag]

Not only christians believe in a so called Heaven . A lot of spiritual people as well. Believe that there is another domension that we might call heaven and that we will go there at some point in "life" .
There are several of different religions mentioning this. :o

[utukxul]

so you are saying that not only Christians that are deluding them self :D

[mariag]

so you are saying that not only Christians that are deluding them self :D

:DWhat i am saying is : that it is not only in the religion Christianity that there is a beliefe of heaven . :p

[seer74]

Hmmmm Heaven....that state in which you wake from this illusion and see that we are infinite and eternal love. Who's going to heaven everybody?

[seer74]

Evangelical, fundementalist and protestant "Christians" have given Christianity a black eye in the eyes of the world. These people do NOT represent true Christianity. They are fakes and bone heads. Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

the only christianity with any truth to it would actually have vanished about two thousnad years ago when they were all thrown to the lions by catholicism for not being religious

Orthodox, BTW is synonymous with conventional, and therefore means it BULLSH*T like all organized religion

[tejas]

Christianity is such a spurious concept that it can contain a whole bunch of contrasting, contradictory and inflammatory belief systems.

But yes, all christians would agree that they are going to 'heaven

[bigus_dickus]

But yes, all christians would agree that they are going to 'heaven

i don't know about that.

i don't believe i am going somewhere. where would i think i would go, given the fact that i know nothing besides my home planet?

if heaven or hell are other places, then how can we know what they are since we have never been in any other place than earth?

from the symbolic point of view, heaven is a "place" of happiness and hell is a "place" of suffering. which one of the two is earth then and who does it depend on?

[drael]

Isnt that bigotry what your saying there?

Seems to be to me. I mean i dont like a holier than thou attitude either, but i would never suggest anyone associating with the word "christian" or "new-age" was automatically guilty of this crime. Try putting the word "african american" or "woman" in that sentence and see how it sounds!

lol

And why shouldnt people beleive whatever they want to? i guess you think you know better? (Which would make you a hypocrite..holier than thou etc...)

[father ted]

Where did I say that they shouldn't believe whatever?

I do know better,

I am holier than thou,

I am THE LORD, do not question me.

[seer74]

try saying what about a race, Drael?

[wolfchild]

Have you guys watched' DAVID'S DVD (freedom to fascism)
i would advised you too.........

[gold]

Do christians believe they're actually going to heaven? This gives them the right to be holier than thou and the mentality that goes with it.

Unfortunately this type of mentality isn't subject to christianity alone, but spreads to a whole range of people no matter what their views might be:rolleyes:. The new age movement is an example of this.

Well my mum told me I would, becuase I went to church, so there:p:D

[eternal_spirit]

Evangelical, fundementalist and protestant "Christians" have given Christianity a black eye in the eyes of the world. These people do NOT represent true Christianity. They are fakes and bone heads. Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

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That's funny, because all the different groups think they're the true Christians. And no one can prove which group is right. There are good and bad people within all groups and all religions.

Many Muslims, Jews etc, will think they're going to heaven because they worship the true God, making them god's chosen people. And anyone who isn't one of them will go to hell. :rolleyes:

[gold]

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That's funny, because all the different groups think they're the true Christians. And no one can prove which group is right. There are good and bad people within all groups and all religions.

Many Muslims, Jews etc, will think they're going to heaven because they worship the true God, making them god's chosen people. And anyone who isn't one of them will go to hell. :rolleyes:

The fear they put into people es, astounds me! are people still this gullible?

[eternal_spirit]

The fear they put into people es, astounds me! are people still this gullible?

....................

Less and less in some parts of the world. Problem is many choose to follow the New Age, occult, that's a slow path to insanity also. They fear demons, voodoo curses, psychic warfare etc etc. So it's just a replacement for the Christians Devil. Many occultists live in fear because of their beliefs.

[gold]

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Less and less in some parts of the world. Problem is many choose to follow the New Age, occult, that's a slow path to insanity also. They fear demons, voodoo curses, psychic warfare etc etc. So it's just a replacement for the Christians Devil. Many occultists live in fear because of their beliefs.

I cannot believe people are still falling for this crap:mad:

[seer74]

I cannot believe people are still falling for this crap:mad:

I can. I can believe people still fall for it because I know why they fall for it. People fall for it because it rings true to them. It rings true to them because it IS partly based in truth. The trick is not to let it become a black-and-white dogma, keep an open mind, and to know that your spirit is more powerful than any of it so DON"T BE SCARED :D

[optimus pigpot]

Come on SOF, I would have thought you'd have an opinion.

[drael]

>Problem is many choose to follow the New Age, occult, that's a slow path to >insanity also. They fear demons, voodoo curses, psychic warfare etc etc. >So it's just a replacement for the Christians Devil. Many occultists live in >fear because of their beliefs.

I personally connect with both those terms - new age and occult. I fear only death and rejection, and im working on that.

Its interesting that the NWO want to keep all the mystic secrets to themselves (secret societies like the masons), and there is alot of rumour or thought that mystic knowledge is NWO plot...a very convenient rumour -

How are you to understand the NWO is controlling you, if you dont understand their methods?

IMO the NWO is scared sh*tless of the fact their secret knowledge of magick/reality has been leaked, and this is simply a damage control technique.

Fear nothing, love everything.

[seer74]

>Problem is many choose to follow the New Age, occult, that's a slow path to >insanity also. They fear demons, voodoo curses, psychic warfare etc etc. >So it's just a replacement for the Christians Devil. Many occultists live in >fear because of their beliefs.

I personally connect with both those terms - new age and occult. I fear only death and rejection, and im working on that.

Its interesting that the NWO want to keep all the mystic secrets to themselves (secret societies like the masons), and there is alot of rumour or thought that mystic knowledge is NWO plot...a very convenient rumour -

How are you to understand the NWO is controlling you, if you dont understand their methods?

IMO the NWO is scared sh*tless of the fact their secret knowledge of magick/reality has been leaked, and this is simply a damage control technique.

Fear nothing, love everything.

my sentiments exactly. (though there's a part i would word differently) ;)

[tejas]

The problem with christianity is that there are very real spiritual experiences of love and unity that can be gained from believing in its dogma.

The love one experiences in this religion is blinding, it makes you fall for the belief system hook line and sinker.

That is why it is so deadly.

[gold]

The trouble with any kind of religion! It was just invented for us human pratt's who fell for it! Amen!

[gold]

And another thing! Why the hell do People prissy pussy around different kinds of religion and faiths? and if we say one word out of line against anybodys faith we are called racialists? lets all face it ,there ain't no religion, and the people who follow any religion are just kidding themselves, RELIGION JUST DONT EXSIST! Its a word RE-LEGION! It makes me mad how the Illuminati were so clever to have invented it in the first place, to separate mankind from his place and each other......

[phildee3]

Do christians believe they're actually going to heaven?

Not real Christians, no.
We know that heaven is here.
True Christianity is a path which awakens us to this truth,
...and the ugliness of war, suffering, etc. which surrounds us is the result of denial of this fact.

[gold]

Not real Christians, no.
We know that heaven is here.
True Christianity is a path which awakens us to this truth,
...and the ugliness of war, suffering, etc. which surrounds us is the result of denial of this fact.

Christianity is a word and a picture in your head! Its been put there! disregard it and think for yourself!

[optimus pigpot]

The trouble with any kind of religion! It was just invented for us human pratt's who fell for it! Amen!

You the man gold.....

[gold]

You the man gold.....

What the **** does that mean:confused:

[optimus pigpot]

Not real Christians, no.
We know that heaven is here.
True Christianity is a path which awakens us to this truth,
...and the ugliness of war, suffering, etc. which surrounds us is the result of denial of this fact.

Stop the train, I'm getting off again!!!

How many times, and as gold has said, THANKYOU GOLD, stop it, it's not real, Jesus isn't coming back because he was never there in the first place. Just a book written by someone to take up and waste your time so as to keep you from gaining access to what grown up people actually want TOTAL FREEDOM, from everything and for everything even GOD!!!

So, let's stop and have a breath and stop being so dependant on cartoon characters called Jesus and Noah, Humpty Dumpty and Fozzy Bear...

Let's all get a life......

[optimus pigpot]

What the **** does that mean:confused:

In so much as, I believe you to be correct... A supporting statement of fact, in the affirmative... That's what the F<>k it means...

[phildee3]

Christianity is a word and a picture in your head! Its been put there! disregard it and think for yourself!

I do think for myself. I reject all dogma.
The Christos is perfect, light, love and truth - and real freedom!
I have chosen it by my own free will.

I do not do what anyone but my higher self (Christ) tells me, - so don't bother trying to tell me what to do. I spew you out as I do any preacher!

[father ted]

I don't know how this got 35 responses (thus far).

...cause I was gonna say... suck shit (christians), you're not. Not in the archetypal heaven that was created by christianity anyway. Or by any religion.

I believe we will all return home and be in a state of bliss etc, after we find out how.

[optimus pigpot]

I do think for myself. I reject all dogma.
The Christos is perfect, light, love and truth - and real freedom!
I have chosen it by my own free will.

I do not do what anyone but my higher self (Christ) tells me, - so don't bother trying to tell me what to do. I spew you out as I do any preacher!

My higher self woooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!! wooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Fuck off and grow up!! You are indoctrinated and a believer and have faith in shit!!! Why don't you believe in Roadrunner and that one day Wylie Coyote will get his betterment.....

Silly little child!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

[optimus pigpot]

I do think for myself. I reject all dogma.
The Christos is perfect, light, love and truth - and real freedom!
I have chosen it by my own free will.

I do not do what anyone but my higher self (Christ) tells me, - so don't bother trying to tell me what to do. I spew you out as I do any preacher!

I reject all dogma.

Okay......... Let's see then...

The Christos is perfect, light, love and truth - and real freedom!

So you've rejected it then, dogma, do you know of the word.... Sorry it must be me...

and real freedom!
I have chosen it by my own free will.

You have chosen anothers dogma, as it was not your own, as it was not yours to begin with, so thus as it was not yours to invent merely to take...... Don't fuck about with words as I will smash the very foundations upon which you exist!!!

I do not do what anyone but my higher self (Christ) tells me,

I thought you were free of any intervention!!! Oh!! apart from that one eh!!

Grow up little child, F<>K Christ!!! I will now pursue you!!!

You are another, minor WANKBOT!!!!!!

[themindseye]

rofl

:D I Wanna be in 'pigbot's Gang.

religion = control....

control = power...

power = ££££££££


so its all about the money!:eek:

[optimus pigpot]

rofl

:D I Wanna be in 'pigbot's Gang.

religion = control....

control = power...

power = ££££££££


so its all about the money!:eek:

and the band goes on. on the road shall bring the pigpotabots together and others shall learn from his righteous path

[optimus pigpot]

rofl

:D I Wanna be in 'pigbot's Gang.

religion = control....

control = power...

power = ££££££££


so its all about the money!:eek:

and the band goes on. on the road shall bring the pigpotabots together and others shall learn from his righteous path

[phildee3]

I believe we will all return home and be in a state of bliss etc, after we find out how.

Right!

And that "how" is through RE-LIGION.
(re = again, ligio = to join)

But, by all means, beware of false religion,
or rather - falsified religion.
Religion was not invented by the illuminati, it was hijacked by them!

(actually, the illuminati were hijacked too!
- the original meaning was "the illumined, wise ones").

[phildee3]

I do not do what anyone but my higher self (Christ) tells me,

I thought you were free of any intervention!!! Oh!! apart from that one eh!!



If you are the one doing both the instructing and the listening, there is no "intervention," is there?

[phildee3]

Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

Bollux!
No organized religion with a dogma is "true" Christianity.
True Christianity is purely esoteric, gnostic and fully personal.
As soon as it becomes exoteric it is hijacked.

[optimus pigpot]

Off again with god..........

READ A BOOK... BY ICKE....... WHY DON'T YOU????

[father ted]

Right!

And that "how" is through RE-LIGION.
(re = again, ligio = to join)

But, by all means, beware of false religion,
or rather - falsified religion.
Religion was not invented by the illuminati, it was hijacked by them!

(actually, the illuminati were hijacked too!
- the original meaning was "the illumined, wise ones").

Very interesting on the word religion, cheers.

However, we don't need to re-align, we are already connected. You see, it's only terminology that you mentioned even though we both know what each other are talking about.

Terminology and etymology could be different from the intended meaning behind the words. You know what I meant and I know what you meant yet there are two completely different streams of issues here where I was talking about one and you chose the other to reply to.

Having said that and therefore, I think it's correct what you said because I know what you meant.

[melika]

i dont know i heaven exists, noone does, ofcorse i would like to believe after all the up and downs we go through on earth there is a eutopia where we are free of pain and suffering to live eternally in bliss. but ofcorse noone really knows and as humans we need to be in control of everything, we're frightened of the unknown so we make up out own opinions of what happens.
One side of my self says, it probably is nothing when we die
but my despate hope that the end isnt the 'end' i still believe that we dont die, be just move on, and there is something more.
But we will never know, till it happends.

[zero1]

No organized religion with a dogma is "true" Christianity. True Christianity is purely esoteric, gnostic and fully personal. As soon as it becomes exoteric it is hijacked.

I agree, 100%. :cool:

[phildee3]

we don't need to re-align, we are already connected.

In a sense, you're right of course;
we are all "children" of our "father" (ie. source),
but without true, genuine re-ligion we are not conscious of it;
and since consciousness and soul are inseperable, we need to practice some form of (true) religion to truely bring heaven to earth;
(which, for me, is it's goal; - not for us to "go to" heaven).

I think this is about more than just terminology.
It's about understanding, - and the elimination of confusion.

i dont know i heaven exists, noone does, ofcorse i would like to believe after all the up and downs we go through on earth there is a eutopia where we are free of pain and suffering to live eternally in bliss. but ofcorse noone really knows and as humans we need to be in control of everything, we're frightened of the unknown so we make up out own opinions of what happens.
One side of my self says, it probably is nothing when we die
but my despate hope that the end isnt the 'end' i still believe that we dont die, be just move on, and there is something more.
But we will never know, till it happends.

See what I mean?
...this is typical of the human condition without religion.

When what happens? Death??

No, if we don't find heaven while we're alive, we will never find it.

This is the purpose of life!

And the path we take in order to find it (if it works) is true re-ligion.

[octopusrex]

Ask this: What would heaven be like?

Then write a story or script about it.

And manifest it in your ordinary life.

Chances are, there's gonna be a lot of skinny-dipping there!

[phildee3]

Ask this: What would heaven be like?

Then write a story or script about it.

And manifest it in your ordinary life.

Chances are, there's gonna be a lot of skinny-dipping there!

You bet, octo!

They always amused me; - those Jehovah's Witnesses drawings of heaven-on-earth.
Everything's right except the polyester clothes and the hairstyles.

[ichi wa zen]

Ofcourse they will go to heaven. You get what you believe in. But the heaven christians go to is only a lower heaven and after a certain amount of time you will reincarnate on earth again.

This cycle will continue endlessy untill you realize The Ultimate Truth and attain Nirvana. Then you shall cease to be reborn and become one with The Infinite All, Infinite Love, God whatever name you want to give it.

[phildee3]

Ofcourse they will go to heaven. You get what you believe in. But the heaven christians go to is only a lower heaven and after a certain amount of time you will reincarnate on earth again.

This cycle will continue endlessy untill you realize The Ultimate Truth and attain Nirvana. Then you shall cease to be reborn and become one with The Infinite All, Infinite Love, God whatever name you want to give it.

Can I name it "heaven"?

I mean, upper heaven?

Where you're god (and mine) exists?

And must I denounce the logos (that through which all things are made manifest - ie. the Christos) to realize it?

[father ted]

Ok, let me re-phrase the question, even though people know what the deal is.

Do christians actually believe they are going to the archetypal christian heaven that they have been lead to believe? The mere thought...

[phildee3]

Ok, let me re-phrase the question, even though people know what the deal is.

Do christians actually believe they are going to the archetypal christian heaven that they have been lead to believe?

If you really wanted to know the answer to this question you would ask them.

[octopusrex]

Ofcourse they will go to heaven. You get what you believe in. But the heaven christians go to is only a lower heaven and after a certain amount of time you will reincarnate on earth again.

This cycle will continue endlessy untill you realize The Ultimate Truth and attain Nirvana. Then you shall cease to be reborn and become one with The Infinite All, Infinite Love, God whatever name you want to give it.

Zen..

Impersonalist heavens are considered Brahmayoti by Vaisnavas. Brahmayoti is not the end place, but a place to rest from the cycle of births and deaths. The only place, according to them, to find rest is in an eternal loka, such as Golokabrindavan.

I suspect the Judeo-Christians aim to some place such as this, where "God" the supere-person is with them and they are not just a part of him/her.

Nirvana is here and now, fella! Buddha exists in the 3 worlds.. Where is YOUR budha nature?

[phildee3]

Ok, let me re-phrase the question, even though people know what the deal is.

Do christians actually believe they are going to the archetypal christian heaven that they have been lead to believe? The mere thought...

I'd like to further rephrase the question to reflect what I think you guys mean:

Do people who call themselves Christians actually believe they are going to the archetypal christian heaven that they have been lead to believe?

The answer is yes; - most of them.

The truth is; - no, because heaven is not a location, it is a condition.
Real Christians know this and are in it, - both in this life and the afterlife
(which is why they do not fear what you call death).

[phildee3]

Nirvana is here and now, fella! Buddha exists in the 3 worlds..

Exactly!!

[oiram]

Nothing to do with being a Christian!
Definitely Bush won’t go there and he doesn’t believe it ether!
Going to church ore even living in church doesn’t make you a Christian it’s what you do; example you follow the 10 Commandments could be considered to be Christian like!
But if any other religion would follow just the 10 Commandments I fully respect these people!
Also Heaven is a condition and it’s what you do in live which create your Heaven!
On the other hand if you live from corruption then you create your own hell and that’s where you will stay!

You will find many answers here: http://www.churchofreality.org/wisdom/introduction/home/we_ask_the_sacred_moral_question_-_what_is_good.html

So you worry about Heaven and Hell would you think the Vatican with all his Priests and Churches would be able to answer this!
What a sick World!
Read the artical below!
What Is The Vatican Hiding?
The Vatican’s Complicity in Genocide in
Fascist Croatia: The Suppressed Chapter of Holocaust History.
http://www.ccg.org/_domain/holocaustrevealed.org/Church/Vatican_Hiding.htm

[gold]

Ofcourse they will go to heaven. You get what you believe in. But the heaven christians go to is only a lower heaven and after a certain amount of time you will reincarnate on earth again.

This cycle will continue endlessy untill you realize The Ultimate Truth and attain Nirvana. Then you shall cease to be reborn and become one with The Infinite All, Infinite Love, God whatever name you want to give it.

Watch Ground Hog Day! you are so right! I think;)

[phildee3]

Going to church ore even living in church doesn’t make you a Christian it’s what you do; example you follow the 10 Commandments could be considered to be Christian like!

Following any "law" doesn't do it anymore. That's the old covenant, oiram.
The only way to be a true Christian is to totally surrender to God's will/the logos/Christos, thus becoming one with it (and so be "in heaven").

[gold]

Following any "law" doesn't do it anymore. That's the old covenant, oiram.
The only way to be a true Christian is to totally surrender to God's will/the logos/Christos, thus becoming one with it (and so be "in heaven").

Are you for real? Why not just be yourself and time will tell! I ain't surrendering to anyone!

[phildee3]

I ain't surrendering to anyone!

I ain't telling you to.

So don't tell me what to do!

I agree; - time will tell...

[phildee3]

I ain't surrendering to anyone!

Ever heard Bob Dylan's "Gotta Serve Somebody"?

If you don't serve your higher self, - you serve your lower self.

It's entirely your choice.

[gold]

I ain't telling you to.

So don't tell me what to do!

I agree; - time will tell...

I didn't tell you what to do!

[gold]

Ever heard Bob Dylan's "Gotta Serve Somebody"?

If you don't serve your higher self, - you serve your lower self.

It's entirely your choice.

B.U.L.L.

[bigus_dickus]

http://harleysofgod.com/images/goToheaven.gif

[octopusrex]

Watch Ground Hog Day! you are so right! I think;)

I was 9 months in a Zen monastery and GROUNDHOG DAY was required viewing!

[shellygurrrl]

The Christians I know do believe they are going to "heaven." My belief is, there may be a heaven, but it's not an exclusive country club were only elites go. It's whatever you make it.

[3rdeye]

this has always been so clear to me since a very young age .
back in the time of the bible when they started there global religions/manipulations ,
they knew what was DOWN , under the crust of eart was molten hott fucken rock(from volcanoes etc..) and no person in there right mind would want to go there so HEY! WELL CALL THAT HELL!! AND WE WILL TELL PEOPLE IF WE DONT DO WHAT WE SAY THEY ARE GOIN THERE! FEAR ME!! .
and UP well it was the majestic world of the clouds and beauty SO HEY WELL SHALL CALL THAT HEAVEN ,
and soo far they have done a pretty good job of keeping people ful of fear of goin to hell ...
heres one:
I WOULD QUITE LIKE TO KNOW THE STATISTIC FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN ALL OF HISTORY BECAUSE IF YA ASK ME 'HEAVEN' MUJST BE GETTIN PRETTY FULL BY NOW!!

[gold]

this has always been so clear to me since a very young age .
back in the time of the bible when they started there global religions/manipulations ,
they knew what was DOWN , under the crust of eart was molten hott fucken rock(from volcanoes etc..) and no person in there right mind would want to go there so HEY! WELL CALL THAT HELL!! AND WE WILL TELL PEOPLE IF WE DONT DO WHAT WE SAY THEY ARE GOIN THERE! FEAR ME!! .
and UP well it was the majestic world of the clouds and beauty SO HEY WELL SHALL CALL THAT HEAVEN ,
and soo far they have done a pretty good job of keeping people ful of fear of goin to hell ...
heres one:
I WOULD QUITE LIKE TO KNOW THE STATISTIC FOR HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE DIED IN ALL OF HISTORY BECAUSE IF YA ASK ME 'HEAVEN' MUJST BE GETTIN PRETTY FULL BY NOW!!

I bet Hell's fuller:D:D

[gold]

I was 9 months in a Zen monastery and GROUNDHOG DAY was required viewing!

WOW! WHY?:eek: What made you spend 9 months in a monestry? If you don't mind me asking!

[octopusrex]

WOW! WHY?:eek: What made you spend 9 months in a monestry? If you don't mind me asking!

I don't really know.. I guess Karma.

[phildee3]

I didn't tell you what to do!

Apologies.
I thought you said "just be yourself."
You didn't .
You said "why don't you just be yourself."
I misread it because there was no question mark.

The answer to this question is:
A part of my "self" (what I call "the lower self") is selfish, vindictive, proud, arrogant (etc.), in a word - "evil."
For us to survive, this must be overcome by the "good" side of us.
If I was to see what time will tell by just "being myself," I know it will bring destruction to the human race (at least).

[3rdeye]

I bet Hell's fuller:D:D

HAHA your probably not wrong there ! but i bet ya hells alot funner , think about it just about EVERY MUSCICIAN in history and present have taken drugs lol
so if you ask me Hell must be awesome all the music,drugs,fine ass women (fuk yeah),alchahole sounds fucken good to me and dont forget the climate i hear it pretty warm down there this time of year hehe

[3rdeye]

Are you for real? Why not just be yourself and time will tell! I ain't surrendering to anyone!


hey Gold !
boy do you and seer both seem to be on my wave length .haha surrender ! thats exactly what they want you to do ..surrender yourself to religion... whilst they sit over there planning more massive sacrafices of innocent
people , give all your faith to the higher power while they bend you over and give you a reaming you'll never forget ,
has anyone ever wondered to themselves about how an economy can only but expand ??? so you have all these people trying to get rich ,yet all they are doin is creating a bigger medium betweed the rich and the needy ,
how they have made it so the magority of the popluation actually beleive they rely on the technology they use everyday ,
an when the TRUTH eventually does come out , the populas will just agree because they will not want to loose there comfortable little lifestyle with there little kids blah blah blah

from there point of view:
in all the one thing you must do to make somebody your slave is have them beleive that they need you for survival ,
and making them beleive is where christianity comes into the picture ,trying to make out as if we are the sole purpose in this planet etc etc..
whose ever thought about these christian debates of wether or not a christian goes to heaven until he knows the true meaning of nirvana or some quoble like that and thought i wonder about all the animal ,
lets take a wild deer for an example do they send there whole life searching for a meaning of life ?? noo beacause there is no need for a reason for life when you are life and you are ''BEING" not "DOING" what your told by some dickhead who just wants to control evreybody for his own agenda.

just one more before i go but does anyone know if we cn get david to get these religious nonsence c*nts to be banned of this website ??????
this is a place for people to search for the truth not to be confused by dark blankets of chritianity being pulled over there eyes .
we are here to help those who need ANSWERS to help lift the blanket of lies!! not to create more QUESTIONS dont you think??

[gold]

HAHA your probably not wrong there ! but i bet ya hells alot funner , think about it just about EVERY MUSCICIAN in history and present have taken drugs lol
so if you ask me Hell must be awesome all the music,drugs,fine ass women (fuk yeah),alchahole sounds fucken good to me and dont forget the climate i hear it pretty warm down there this time of year hehe

What about Hitler, Jack the ripper, Stalin, All the Royals, Bush and my x:eek: will they be all there too:D:D:D:D

[gold]

hey Gold !
boy do you and seer both seem to be on my wave length .haha surrender ! thats exactly what they want you to do ..surrender yourself to religion... whilst they sit over there planning more massive sacrafices of innocent
people , give all your faith to the higher power while they bend you over and give you a reaming you'll never forget ,
has anyone ever wondered to themselves about how an economy can only but expand ??? so you have all these people trying to get rich ,yet all they are doin is creating a bigger medium betweed the rich and the needy ,
how they have made it so the magority of the popluation actually beleive they rely on the technology they use everyday ,
an when the TRUTH eventually does come out , the populas will just agree because they will not want to loose there comfortable little lifestyle with there little kids blah blah blah

from there point of view:
in all the one thing you must do to make somebody your slave is have them beleive that they need you for survival ,
and making them beleive is where christianity comes into the picture ,trying to make out as if we are the sole purpose in this planet etc etc..
whose ever thought about these christian debates of wether or not a christian goes to heaven until he knows the true meaning of nirvana or some quoble like that and thought i wonder about all the animal ,
lets take a wild deer for an example do they send there whole life searching for a meaning of life ?? noo beacause there is no need for a reason for life when you are life and you are ''BEING" not "DOING" what your told by some dickhead who just wants to control evreybody for his own agenda.

just one more before i go but does anyone know if we cn get david to get these religious nonsence c*nts to be banned of this website ??????
this is a place for people to search for the truth not to be confused by dark blankets of chritianity being pulled over there eyes .
we are here to help those who need ANSWERS to help lift the blanket of lies!! not to create more QUESTIONS dont you think??

Your so right here 3rdeye, I couldn't have put it better myself.
Governments have made the masses so dependent on them, we've forgot how to take control and run our own lives. people just can't see this and have become so lazy. I here people say ' I can't be bothered' or 'Let em carry on, I don't give a toss'
The most blinded I think are these religious nut cases and they make our job and Davids much harder. But i guess this was the Illuminati intentions all along.
It makes me so mad when I hear people say 'Why don't the government do something about it' or 'I'm a good law abiding Christian, I'll be OK'

I agree with you, all religious nuts should be classed as dis informers on here, either that or tell them to go back to there chapels of rest and wait for Jesus or what ever his name is:D

Goldy xx

[optimus pigpot]

Your so right here 3rdeye, I couldn't have put it better myself.
Governments have made the masses so dependent on them, we've forgot how to take control and run our own lives. people just can't see this and have become so lazy. I here people say ' I can't be bothered' or 'Let em carry on, I don't give a toss'
The most blinded I think are these religious nut cases and they make our job and Davids much harder. But i guess this was the Illuminati intentions all along.
It makes me so mad when I hear people say 'Why don't the government do something about it' or 'I'm a good law abiding Christian, I'll be OK'

I agree with you, all religious nuts should be classed as dis informers on here, either that or tell them to go back to there chapels of rest and wait for Jesus or what ever his name is:D

Goldy xx

Exactly, send 'em back to their place of worship to wait it out and let the rest of us get on and enjoy the nice side of life!!!!!!

[pri01]

Hi there, Optimus Pigpot I am quite sure your avatar is that of the young Jimmy Osmond. I am surely wrong, am I?:)

[gold]

Exactly, send 'em back to their place of worship to wait it out and let the rest of us get on and enjoy the nice side of life!!!!!!

Too right o/p! bloody two faced hypocrites, tell you to be up right and goody, then stab you in the back and stitch you up the fist chance they get! wouldn't trust one whisper from them! they need a good dose of memory recall, they make my skin crawl! Jeeeseeeusssy fools;

[octopusrex]

We have no way of really telling WHO is in hell. Folks you might consider Hell-worthy, like Stalin, might simply have ceased to experience themselves for lack of faith in any heaven or hell.

[3rdeye]

We have no way of really telling WHO is in hell. Folks you might consider Hell-worthy, like Stalin, might simply have ceased to experience themselves for lack of faith in any heaven or hell.

thanx for pointing out the obvious the octocock ;)
lol the whole point is just that there just isnt a hell ,too unplausible and as you say the ceased to experience themselves for lack of faith , and in my terms that means exactly that you cannt be "punished" for something that that you were told was right ,someone tells you to do something because they MAKE you belive its right , so how can you punish someone for being illinformed when it is just the REPEATERS who have REPEATED what that learned from a previous REPEATER and so on , an ya know go back a few hundred years and it turns out they are probably the biggest suckers of satans cock there are ....

can you condemn a man for being born at the wrong place or the wrong time into the wrong hands ???
but i do beleive that we all have a inner divine guidence its just that most of us dont know how to listen or have been forced to learn not to listen to love ....

[dedicate]

The original poster asks as if he knows what Christianity and Heaven are. These words have different meanings to different people. Just a pet peeve of mine, but I wish people would define and think out the meaning of what they ask.-- i.e. "Do you believe you have a soul?".. Well, what do you mean by Soul? or "Do you believe in God?".. Well, what do mean by God?

I might be a Christian that does not exclude others, nor guarentee anything for me. I might be a Christian that does not go to any church. I might believe in reincarnation. I might not consider it important weather Jesus ever existed as it states in the New Testament.

Heaven also means different things to different people. Personally, I don't believe that people go forever to one place after life. And, I wouldn't call myself a Christian, because that would be giving me too much credit.

[octopusrex]

Heaven and Hell are here and now, simultaneously for all sentient beings.

Middle Earth seen from two perspectives: Sauron and Gandalf.

Frodo is the field of war between these two because until the ring is not destroyed, he is still in Middle Earth.

[dedicate]

I remember someone asked Rajneesh, "My wife and I are always fighting. Will I go to Hell for this?".. Rajneesh said something like, "You are already in Hell. God would not be so cruel as to send you there again." Then he added, "Your poor wife.".. So I see the point that Hell and Heaven are here, too.

Then, Sri Chinmoy said that there is reserved in Hell, places of unimaginable torture for the person that takes his own life.

So there are things to look out for.-- don't forget.

and places where maybe truth, love and light rule.. something to look forward to, something to work for on this earth. -- remember.

[dmessick]

I just want to go where the party is! :D

[gold]

I just want to go where the party is! :D

:D:D:D

[drakul]

Evangelical, fundementalist and protestant "Christians" have given Christianity a black eye in the eyes of the world. These people do NOT represent true Christianity. They are fakes and bone heads. Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

I like this. Why is Orthodox the true Christianity?

[armoured_amazon]

What a silly thread.

[on the road]

What a silly thread.

Well spotted

[father ted]

I don't know how this got 35 responses (thus far).

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[father ted]

One of the reasons I started this was because of a comment in this clip:
Father Ted - New Jack City - YouTube

"Were all going to heaven lads, wayyyyy,"

The naivety of christians...

[phildee3]

One of the reasons I started this was because of a comment in this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LuVhR1CGCI

"Were all going to heaven lads, wayyyyy,"

The naivety of christians...

I just watched this.
Quite funny,
but where were the christians?

[phildee3]

Eastern Orthodoxy (AKA the Orthodox Church) is true Christianity.

I don't agree.
They are closer to true Christianity due to the fact that they have deviated from it less than any other denomination, but deviated they have.

[armoured_amazon]

God's people do best living by His Word and not the word and ritual of humans. And before we get a Biblical debate, I'm talking about the ever present God in our daily life.

[father ted]

I just watched this.
Quite funny,
but where were the christians?

All the characters are christian catholics.

[phildee3]

All the characters are christian catholics.

now that is funny! :rolleyes:

[armoured_amazon]

It's a shame he died. Father Ted was hilarious.

[3rdeye]

AGREED! haha
farther jack:
feck! feck off! feck you ! girls ! sex ! spoon! haha he was funny alright .

[3rdeye]

I don't agree.
They are closer to true Christianity due to the fact that they have deviated from it less than any other denomination, but deviated they have.

what true christinity ??? there is no true christianity man have you guys had your head in the sand for the last 10 years or something ???
you DO not have to be christian to be apart of god and that i know for sure .
there are 1000's of gods in our universe'S why would you only care about one that created us??

just so ya know , nibiru (scientificly planet X)our co creator god planet is coming back into our orbit maybe you can ask them ????
thus is also why president bush had started plans to build military airforce base on the moon !! they are not on our side !!!!

[phildee3]

what true christinity ???



That which was practiced in the first century.
Before Constantine and the Romans got a hold of it, distorting it's primary message of unity through love for all, into a state religion by which they could control the masses through fear.



there is no true christianity



Not in an organised sense, no;
not today.



man have you guys had your head in the sand for the last 10 years or something ???



What guys?
I'm just one guy.
And since true Christianity is esoteric, and can only be found within the individual, there is no "us guys."



you DO not have to be christian to be apart of god and that i know for sure .



Very true.



there are 1000's of gods in our universe'S why would you only care about one that created us??



I don't.
Did I say that?
No.
Judaism is monotheistic.
First century Christianity is pantheistic.
That's why they were persecuted in Palestine and had to migrate to N. Europe to be welcomed by the pantheistic Celts.



just so ya know , nibiru (scientificly planet X)our co creator god planet is coming back into our orbit maybe you can ask them ????



Ask them what?



thus is also why president bush had started plans to build military airforce base on the moon !! they are not on our side !!!!



Huh??
why?
who's "they"?

[optimus pigpot]

That which was practiced in the first century.
Before Constantine and the Romans got a hold of it, distorting it's primary message of unity through love for all, into a state religion by which they could control the masses through fear.



Not in an organised sense, no;
not today.



What guys?
I'm just one guy.
And since true Christianity is esoteric, and can only be found within the individual, there is no "us guys."



Very true.



I don't.
Did I say that?
No.
Judaism is monotheistic.
First century Christianity is pantheistic.
That's why they were persecuted in Palestine and had to migrate to N. Europe to be welcomed by the pantheistic Celts.



Ask them what?



Huh??
why?
who's "they"?

Glad to be back of warning just to point out that there is no such thing as Jesus or Christ or any Abrahamic god. Point made, will make more in a while!!!

Salutations on the road, blue and 3rd eye. Good to see you pointing out that the posters are still posting crap. Mission unaccomplished...

Phildee3 is still talking and praying for something that ain't gonna happen.

POOOOOOOTTTTTTTTT POottttttttttt!!!!!!!

Optimus p. Massage begins..............

[blue]

welcome back optimus....glad to see you :D

[optimus pigpot]

Good to be back fella...

Learnt a couple of things while I was away, like fly fishing and knot tying, you know....

Still full of wankbots eh!! Seems even more now..... Still more fun to see 'em fall like flies....... What do you reckon about swiftlouie then, he's either related to or is the very same snoopssnuffleupagus.

What say you Monster of the blue

Massage cannot end!!!!!!!!

[phildee3]

Phildee3 is still talking and praying for something that ain't gonna happen.



Not true.
It's already happened.
Life has conquored death.
Love overpowers hate.
Evil is vanquished!
The Pigpot flounders in his own pig-swill of lies, along with his Zionist friends.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/01/23/PH2008012300397.jpg

We even have caring people in politics now.
Proof that miracles can happen; and are!

[optimus pigpot]

Not true.
It's already happened.
Life has conquored death.
Love overpowers hate.
Evil is vanquished!
The Pigpot flounders in his own pig-swill of lies, along with his Zionist friends.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/01/23/PH2008012300397.jpg

We even have caring people in politics now.
Proof that miracles can happen; and are!

I have said.........

I have no ist's or ism's unlike you... OOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!! I believe in the Christ and pixie's as well...... And what the hell is this s..t......

It's already happened.
Life has conquored death.
Love overpowers hate.
Evil is vanquished!

What a load of sixties hippie crap...........

Where are all the facts in all this???
Utter crap......

Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[phildee3]

I have said.........

I have no ist's or ism's unlike you... OOOOOOHHHHH!!!!!!! I believe in the Christ and pixie's as well...... And what the hell is this s..t......

It's already happened.
Life has conquored death.
Love overpowers hate.
Evil is vanquished!

What a load of sixties hippie crap...........

Where are all the facts in all this???
Utter crap......

Enough said!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said; - floundering.
Poor, poor pigpot!

It's over...
Your wall of hate has fallen!

http://www.hamdden.co.uk/Images/Stop_the_Wall.jpg

[phildee3]

there is no such thing as Jesus or Christ



"Where is the proof?"

As you judge others, so you shall be judged =
That which you require of others shall be required of you.

That day is here!!!

(and I don't need to "prove" it;
if you open your eyes and ears, it's self-evident).

[optimus pigpot]

"Where is the proof?"

As you judge others, so you shall be judged =
That which you require of others shall be required of you.

That day is here!!!

(and I don't need to "prove" it;
if you open your eyes and ears, it's self-evident).

What??????????

[phildee3]

What??????????

exactly

poor piggy can't hear.

QED

[3rdeye]

"Where is the proof?"

As you judge others, so you shall be judged =
That which you require of others shall be required of you.

That day is here!!!

(and I don't need to "prove" it;
if you open your eyes and ears, it's self-evident).

cummon phildee your making very bad name for the name phil !!!!

fuck dude the only proof you have is a dusty old book that has been rewritten 10 times !!!! and it is that same book you make your whole beleif on ???
may god save YOU from religion i hope he wakes you up soon .
and what the hell are you on about that love has won ?? your making out like something big just happened ... did i m is something ?????
if im right (which i 99% of the time are ) lol the illuminati are still putting people into powerfull positions of manipulation , hungry people are still goin to die every day because its covenrment would rather spend its money on guns and war ,
1000's of innocent children are still goin to be raped and sluaghtered everyday by the same people who elllect your "caring " presidents .
whatever love you are talking about is still a curtain over your eyes phildee! it may not be as dark as the prevous curtains but there i no way im going to sit back and beleive the world is fixed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

global warming is a hoax , bush is the new hitler (same shit different asshole) , innocent people still die everyday and you my freind have got a long journey in frotn of you ...the sooner you drop the sematic bullshit the better an so good luck and godS be with you and save you from religion ;)

[3rdeye]

exactly

poor piggy can't hear.

QED

no i beleive he just cant be fucked wasting his knowledge on ears that wont hear the truth .. you cant handle the truth . so go hide behind you little blanket of love,the world is a bad place a very bad place phildee the sooner you realise that the better . or you ca just sit there with images of rainbows candycanes and fairies running through your head , i actually dont care , all i do care is you dont spread your brainwashed manipulation to anyone else .

you wanna hear something funny here we go :
how many people do you hear about that turn christian then never look back ?? thats all of them!!!!
i beleive christianity is the biggest leader of IGNORANCE there is . and when i say christian i mean christian buddism,bretherin, catholic, i mean every fucking thing that tries to make you beleive that there was a jesus .
being ignorant of hate does not make it go away ... it might make it so that you as a person with your individual perception are unaware of there hate around you because you concentrate only on the love , so you only see the love . this my freind is 100% pure ignorance and failure to care of others as we are all one race , we are not suppose to be devided into colour or language or beleif .
we as people have really done this to our selves i guess ,

if we had a stronger bond with each other we would not be able to be devided and conquered by those who have sinister agenders for humans (thinking man)

i wrote a awsome song the other day here a little :

can thinking man think he can ???
or was it jus a thought??
is this knowledge for reason ?
is the knowledge for power ?
your:
politics for confusion
religion for manipulation
money for power
power for money
people to push
authority to punish
society to judge
as your jail is for me to suffer

as my anger is pain
my love is your care
your hate is blind
as your forgiveness is unconditional
yet still very unreliable!!

take me away from this selfish world ,
for we are ONE,
an ONE does not favour the many !
for it favours the all ,
ALL as ONE
ONE for ALL


hehe copyright ;)
haha

[phildee3]

your making out like something big just happened ... did i m is something ?????



Yes

[optimus pigpot]

no i beleive he just cant be fucked wasting his knowledge on ears that wont hear the truth .. you cant handle the truth . so go hide behind you little blanket of love,the world is a bad place a very bad place phildee the sooner you realise that the better . or you ca just sit there with images of rainbows candycanes and fairies running through your head , i actually dont care , all i do care is you dont spread your brainwashed manipulation to anyone else .

you wanna hear something funny here we go :
how many people do you hear about that turn christian then never look back ?? thats all of them!!!!
i beleive christianity is the biggest leader of IGNORANCE there is . and when i say christian i mean christian buddism,bretherin, catholic, i mean every fucking thing that tries to make you beleive that there was a jesus .
being ignorant of hate does not make it go away ... it might make it so that you as a person with your individual perception are unaware of there hate around you because you concentrate only on the love , so you only see the love . this my freind is 100% pure ignorance and failure to care of others as we are all one race , we are not suppose to be devided into colour or language or beleif .
we as people have really done this to our selves i guess ,

if we had a stronger bond with each other we would not be able to be devided and conquered by those who have sinister agenders for humans (thinking man)

i wrote a awsome song the other day here a little :

can thinking man think he can ???
or was it jus a thought??
is this knowledge for reason ?
is the knowledge for power ?
your:
politics for confusion
religion for manipulation
money for power
power for money
people to push
authority to punish
society to judge
as your jail is for me to suffer

as my anger is pain
my love is your care
your hate is blind
as your forgiveness is unconditional
yet still very unreliable!!

take me away from this selfish world ,
for we are ONE,
an ONE does not favour the many !
for it favours the all ,
ALL as ONE
ONE for ALL


hehe copyright ;)
haha

Keep it coming 3rd eye

[3rdeye]

Yes

may you please elaborate for me ???
and dont just tell me jesus died for our sins please!

besides what jargon you tell me it may open my eyes to understand those who are blind ,and how i may help them see 0.0 hehe

yes???? i wrote and essay and all you say is yes ?? lol dont be hating mate im here to help

[blue]

may you please elaborate for me ???
No he wont, hell he CAN'T !!!

[phildee3]

your making out like something big just happened ... did i m is something ?????


Yes


may you please elaborate for me ???




You missed several things in the last three pages.
I'm not going to take the time to pick them all out.
I'd be wasting my time if you were to reject them out of hand as you have in the past -

I suggest you read things more carefully.

- but I will point out the big one you missed, since you asked:
Click to enlarge the photo on message 107.
Look for the meaning (ie the significance) behind this event.

No-one can open someone else's eye for them.
They have to do it themselves.

[optimus pigpot]

Because whatever you are given, you will accept. Hippie s..t that helps no one and puts good people into a backwards cycle. You won't learn, no, you're crap has the possibility to smash society. I hope you're crap make's you happy!!!!!!!!!!

[3rdeye]

You missed several things in the last three pages.
I'm not going to take the time to pick them all out.
I'd be wasting my time if you were to reject them out of hand as you have in the past -

I suggest you read things more carefully.

- but I will point out the big one you missed, since you asked:
Click to enlarge the photo on message 107.
Look for the meaning (ie the significance) behind this event.

No-one can open someone else's eye for them.
They have to do it themselves.

hey ,
im not that great at geography but is that like the berlin wall ? or palistine israel wall?gaza?
either we all know that the same people who put that wall up is the same people who are taking it down , they most probably are from another country or differ in names .
but u must remember these guys have stuff like that az an insurance of being able to dictate the many for example: build a wall to devide a country by race or language or whateva and then 20 years later tear it down and they all think your a saviour!
az i say i dont know the specific details on this inperticular wall but you my friend should take your own advice ...quite often big events are more then what they seem .

the meaning i see behind this event is that the global brainwashing/mind control and manipulation is still working better than ever and you my friend are a prime example , you have to look through everything as to why "they" would do it in the first place ,
like they have been manipulating through generations and it seems every new generation of the population comes through we forget even more about the agandas of those who wish to rule the world for another 10,000 years .

pitty i dont have kids to pass on my wisdom, but in saying that i stil try to share davids I's and ian lungold's revalations to the new world... as all us non christians can see clearly that the only people who are seperating themselves from society are those who beleive that their faith is "better" or more "truthful" than everyone else an it is those people who have created the duality of humanity , where most of us non christians still have the same peacefull loving wishes for humanity but we the free thinkers are the ones that see the truth through the propagandha and lies , the forrest through the trees so to speak and the chrisians are too worried abput whos tree is the biggest .... which is exactly what "they " want you to do .

there is a much bigger picture here people , but we must move past religion if you expect to find it . finding god is part of your journey but it is definatly not the end !!! or time to sit down and feel everything to be ok ..because it simply just is not we have some severe assholes running this world . Anarchy will come to break down the of the system ...religions will see it as the coming of the anti christ . but these tough times must come if we expect to live in freedom (not in ignorance)