Why is time against us?

[cleft_asunder]

When we are having fun, time flies by. But when we are suffering, time is stretched out. The ratio isn't proportional, therefore couldn't it be said that suffering is greater than happiness in the universe, since there is a bias?

Things like this make me believe in the Gnostic view that a demi-urge created time and this universe to entrap us.

[on the road]

When we are having fun, time flies by. But when we are suffering, time is stretched out. The ratio isn't proportional, therefore couldn't it be said that suffering is greater than happiness in the universe, since there is a bias?

Things like this make me believe in the Gnostic view that a demi-urge created time and this universe to entrap us.

Time does seem to speed up/slow down but whats all this demi-urge about?

It sounds like another fear system to me Ill have to look up some stuff.

[chandrakavi]

Interesting. Time is not against us, TIME DOESN'T EXIST (SEE MY THREAD: WHAT IS TIME?)

How we feel time, has nothing to do with reality, it is called psychological time. We USE cronological time, clock time, to measure day and night time.
(since we have to measure everything)
We have made the division of PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
David icke talks a lot on how cronological time has been used by the brotherhood to cut us off from our sense of reality, so that we only use
our rational side,(left side of the brain) not the right side, our intuition. (he explains this in THE BIGGEST SECRET towards the end of the book)

The Illuminati created this, but saying that the demi-urge did it, is just about the same.

[cleft_asunder]

Time does seem to speed up/slow down but whats all this demi-urge about?

It sounds like another fear system to me Ill have to look up some stuff.

Tales from the Time loop, that's where it comes from.

[gold]

When we are having fun, time flies by. But when we are suffering, time is stretched out. The ratio isn't proportional, therefore couldn't it be said that suffering is greater than happiness in the universe, since there is a bias?

Things like this make me believe in the Gnostic view that a demi-urge created time and this universe to entrap us.

What an interesting post! Time seems to me at the moment to be going quicker than ever! weather it has anything to do with the speeding up of the planet, being 16 hours to a day instead of 24 i don't know??

[cleft_asunder]

Interesting. Time is not against us, TIME DOESN'T EXIST (SEE MY THREAD: WHAT IS TIME?)

How we feel time, has nothing to do with reality, it is called psychological time. We USE cronological time, clock time, to measure day and night time.
(since we have to measure everything)
We have made the division of PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
David icke talks a lot on how cronological time has been used by the brotherhood to cut us off from our sense of reality, so that we only use
our rational side,(left side of the brain) not the right side, our intuition. (he explains this in THE BIGGEST SECRET towards the end of the book)

The Illuminati created this, but saying that the demi-urge did it, is just about the same.

Interesting, although I disagree that it doesn't exist. If we perceive something, than it exists, because we are God (pure consciousness), which is the prerequisite for something to exist. Therefore it can be said that time exists, it just isn't absolute truth--it was created, and doesn't need to exist.

[on the road]

Tales from the Time loop, that's where it comes from.

cheers ill have to get round to reading that :)

[titurel]

There is greater potential for happiness than sadness but the illuminati, who follow Gnostic tradions, aligned with Freemasonry and the Kabbalah, upon which Freemasonry is based, do not want the masses to be happy because those who create fear also gain power and control. it's no coincidence that the inspired iluminati promote the idea of God being the demi-urge in their secretive, dark Lodges. Satanism reverses everything so that the Reptilian is made hero and God the villian. The illuminati are hijacking human destiny by rejecting God and by creating a world that God never intended, based on lies and 180 degree reversals of truth.

[cleft_asunder]

There is greater potential for happiness than sadness but the illuminati, who follow Gnostic tradions, aligned with Freemasonry and the Kabbalah, upon which Freemasonry is based, do not want the masses to be happy because those who create fear also gain power and control. it's no coincidence that the inspired iluminati promote the idea of God being the demi-urge in their secretive, dark Lodges. Satanism reverses everything so that the Reptilian is made hero and God the villian. The illuminati are hijacking human destiny by rejecting God and by creating a world that God never intended, based on lies and 180 degree reversals of truth.

Yes, this seems to be the case on the microcosm (Earth), but I wonder if this truth extends throughout the whole universe. In other words, perhaps Lucifer (soulless being) is the mind that beams down reality to us, and this whole multiverse is nothing but a perpetual hamster wheel which has no purpose other than to sustain itself, through trapping conscious beings within it, and using them as fuel. (See The Matrix)

Of course, even if this is true, ultimately it isn't the ultimate truth. Mind is not the ultimate truth, therefore Lucifer doesn't even perceive itself! "I think therefore I am" is complete rubbish. It's impossible for just mind to exist because mind is within consciousness. So lucifer is like a dead computer running a program, and it only exists because consciousness exists. Who is the programmer? God, infinite consciousness, which is true life. This is a game of separation we're playing here.

[titurel]

There does seem to be a spiritual battle for earth, and it does seem as if a very powerful spirit being is beaming down to us a false sense of reality - the Matrix. The possible bright side is that if we stay alert in the darkest hour before dawn, we'll come into a higher state of consciousness, in which these malevant beings can no longer have any sphere of influence. The rotten world tree, the Kabbalah and sophistry that's at the core of man's will to dominate other men to his detrement, will have been felled and in its place, a new understanding arises. It's no coincidence that sophistry derives from Sophia and the Kabbalah, and that the word "cabal" also derives from the word "Kabalah". The world is full of cabals.

[lottie]

"Time is / Too Slow for those who Wait, / Too Swift for those who Fear, / Too long for those who grieve, / Too short for those who Rejoice, / But for those who Love, / Time is not" - Poet, Henry Van Dyke.

:)

[cleft_asunder]

That was a damned fine quote.

[yvonne]

Interesting. Time is not against us, TIME DOESN'T EXIST (SEE MY THREAD: WHAT IS TIME?)

How we feel time, has nothing to do with reality, it is called psychological time. We USE cronological time, clock time, to measure day and night time.
(since we have to measure everything)
We have made the division of PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.
David icke talks a lot on how cronological time has been used by the brotherhood to cut us off from our sense of reality, so that we only use
our rational side,(left side of the brain) not the right side, our intuition. (he explains this in THE BIGGEST SECRET towards the end of the book)

The Illuminati created this, but saying that the demi-urge did it, is just about the same.

Well till Icke or somebody tells me how to stop it or get get out of it time is here!...Now I'm not saying that I don't think along the same line...but I'm a little tired of ppl telling me something that they can't prove by doing it themselves.....Aren't you?

[chandrakavi]

Interesting, although I disagree that it doesn't exist. If we perceive something, than it exists, because we are God (pure consciousness), which is the prerequisite for something to exist. Therefore it can be said that time exists, it just isn't absolute truth--it was created, and doesn't need to exist.

Jesus was once asked: what will be the greatest thing in your Kingdom of heaven?
He said: THERE SHALL BE TIME NO LONGER.

Time and the mind are associated as the same.

Time has been used as part of the establishment.
it surely works there. Clock time every second.

We NEED clock time, or else everything would fall apart.
It tis a fake, but we need this fake time, in an outward , way.
When all the clocks of the world stop , and no one is alive to watch the time,
really time has no longer a MEANING for a SOCIETY. It controls us since birth.

EXISTENCIAL TIME, REAL TIME, having to do with the inner self,
is not being monitored nor sensored by the dictatorship of a clock, invented by man, no one was born with a watch, we had to buy one later after birth.
Real time is eternal
I am not saying people stop looking at CRONOLOGICAL TIME (clock time)
Daavid icke says in THE BIGGEST SECRET: "

"The brotherhood system seeks to imprison the human psyche in the left brain, the "rational" intellect which only believes what it can see, touch hear or smell. "

You don't believe in time really, you continue to practice like we all do (myself included) CRONOLOGICAL TIME. A watch is mechanic, we use
to differ from day and night because of ROTATION. I say we understand this, not that we stop using a watch. Nor that "we get out of the time concept" as you say, simply understand it, nothing more.

There is an interesting movie called THE GODS MUST BE CRAZY, part I,
There you see how a girl from New York perceives time all stressed out, opposed to a native from Africa, who perceives it in a totally relaxed manner. The girl from new york is perceiving CRONOLOGICAL TIME, and the native from Africa, EXISTENTIAL TIME, REAL TIME. Throughout life we perceive them in all these different manners.
But definetly time is not against you. It is an invention. like logic. Time doesn't exist.

Thank you lottie for your beautiful poem that says it all,
Time is /too slow for those who wait/ too swift for those who fear/
too long for those who grieve,/too short for those who rejoice/ but for those who love/time is not" Poet Henry Van Dyke.


INFINITE LOVE

[tejas]

The thing is about all your ideas chandra of psychological time, chronological time which I assume comes from Eckharte tolle, is that it is all still a perception of mind.

Untill you can see past present and future arent you scared you are just deluding yourself?

I understand what you are saying but yet again, I have to agree with clefts assumptioins.

[mad as a cat]

What an interesting post! Time seems to me at the moment to be going quicker than ever! weather it has anything to do with the speeding up of the planet, being 16 hours to a day instead of 24 i don't know??

Hi all.
I keep reading about there being less hours in a day.
Short of counting seconds in my head and looking at a watch, to see if it tallies, how can people prove this theory?
My clock still shows 24 hours in a day.
This has puzzled me for some time now, and I really feel the need to understand it.
Many thanks.:)

[octopusrex]

Here it is then..

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[gold]

Hi all.
I keep reading about there being less hours in a day.
Short of counting seconds in my head and looking at a watch, to see if it tallies, how can people prove this theory?
My clock still shows 24 hours in a day.
This has puzzled me for some time now, and I really feel the need to understand it.
Many thanks.:)

Hi! Here it is!

If this planet is speeding up, everything else dose in sync! The only way you will feel this effect is by exhaustion in your daily life! I am feeling it every day more and more, and I have began to slow my own process of life down in sync! It's all you can do! Go with 16 hours instead of 24, and only fit into your life what you can do in 16 hours instead of 24.

[chandrakavi]

The thing is about all your ideas chandra of psychological time, chronological time which I assume comes from Eckharte tolle, is that it is all still a perception of mind.

Untill you can see past present and future arent you scared you are just deluding yourself?

I understand what you are saying but yet again, I have to agree with clefts assumptioins.

Hi Tejas!

Look at my thread WHAT IS TIME?
I have read about time about Eckhardt Tolle, very interesting,
but if you look at my thread I got it from Osho.

No, being in ONENESS is not deluding yourself. It is a state of meditation.

Look at the thread WHAT IS TIME? ,and you might understand more what I mean.


Thanks for your post.

INFINITE LOVE

[mad as a cat]

Hi! Here it is!

If this planet is speeding up, everything else dose in sync! The only way you will feel this effect is by exhaustion in your daily life! I am feeling it every day more and more, and I have began to slow my own process of life down in sync! It's all you can do! Go with 16 hours instead of 24, and only fit into your life what you can do in 16 hours instead of 24.

Okay...slow learner alert:rolleyes:

Although I'm very tired and never have enough hours in the day, I just thought it was me, never considered it was the planet speeding up!

Please can you direct me to a website or provide a link, to help me get my head around this? Thank you.

I'm sorry to be a pain:o

[lottie]

So if we were to operate say for instance on a 'lunar calendar' ie; 13months a year....does that mean 13 hrs a day...?? and how many minutes and seconds would there be inside each of the 13 hrs? ....

60minutes + 1/13th of 60??? :confused:

Just wondered of we were to have a clock...with thirteen hours on it....we could tell if this 16 hrs a day rumour is credible...i keep hearing 16hrs from people...

:)

[cleft_asunder]

Okay...slow learner alert:rolleyes:

Although I'm very tired and never have enough hours in the day, I just thought it was me, never considered it was the planet speeding up!

Please can you direct me to a website or provide a link, to help me get my head around this? Thank you.

I'm sorry to be a pain:o

This topic, of time speeding up, is very redundant, and the bottom line is that people are suggestible even on this forum, so if you make a post and ask if time is speeding up, you will get agreements, but not because it is actually happening. I am not saying it isn't happening, only that asking if it is isn't reliable.

[mad as a cat]

This topic, of time speeding up, is very redundant, and the bottom line is that people are suggestible even on this forum, so if you make a post and ask if time is speeding up, you will get agreements, but not because it is actually happening. I am not saying it isn't happening, only that asking if it is isn't reliable.

Thank you, cleft_asunder, fair do - I'll bear that in mind;)

[razed1]

i definately feel the speeding up of time, even my cousins mom,

she doesnt know any of this stuff, and she even made a comment like

how she could shower, make lunch for her children, do all lille chores, all within a 1/2 hour when they were small

and shes like how now, she barely gets a couple things done, and alreay 1/2 hr has passed


so this speeding up cannnot be denied

[cleft_asunder]

i definately feel the speeding up of time, even my cousins mom,

she doesnt know any of this stuff, and she even made a comment like

how she could shower, make lunch for her children, do all lille chores, all within a 1/2 hour when they were small

and shes like how now, she barely gets a couple things done, and alreay 1/2 hr has passed


so this speeding up cannnot be denied

I'm not saying it's not speeding up, but I feel like it's really hard to confirm that it is.

[razed1]

ill tell you this a day passes by like THAT

a week feels like a few days

and months are like weeks


before my mind never used to even think about a few days from now, let alone be thinking about next week

but it feels like i have ot plan things and prepare like a week in advance, otherwise it feels like im gonna skip over something i need to do


this past year, went by so fast, i feel cheated :p

but this is good imo, becuase those who are caught up in their EGOS, are gonna feeel like theyre world is crumbling


like im in my mid 20s, and this is supposed to be the 'prime' of my life, but yet i feel cheated because theyre goin by so fast!

so should i get mad at 'god', no because this is forcing me to realize that there is another component to my being other than my ego


so this time fast is necessary to go to the next step in consciousness


(btw, its nice that times speeds up, since we are in the iron age, and the faster this materialistic, non spiritual age goes by, the better, for me and you all, i think the zen Alan Watts spoke about this in one of his talks)

[edit]

Mak Dizdar
PENELOPE



About you have all the songs been sung and there is
nothing more about you to be sung

About you has everything been spoken and there could be
nothing else to be said about you

Your linens have remained as mysterious as the night
and your suitors as transparent as the morning

And still nevertheless I must place you in this circle of
unclear being things and circumstances

Oh, Penelope, Penelope, Penelope, Oh Penelope

Translated by Keith Doubt
© 2006 Keith Doubt

[Anders Lindman]

Who will last longer, you or time? If you believe time is stronger than you, then you will die, and until you die you will be a slave to time.

If you believe you are stronger than time, then try to reverse time and see how accurate your belief is.

The truth is that time is in you. Time is not outside of you. And so if you believe time is against you you are gravely mistaken.

[gold]

I'm not saying it's not speeding up, but I feel like it's really hard to confirm that it is.

I don't think you can confirm or prove time is speeding up, But I do think you can feel and experience it.

I've tried to do what I used to do in a day and I found I couldn't.

[gold]

Okay...slow learner alert:rolleyes:

Although I'm very tired and never have enough hours in the day, I just thought it was me, never considered it was the planet speeding up!

Please can you direct me to a website or provide a link, to help me get my head around this? Thank you.

I'm sorry to be a pain:o

Sorry mad as a cat, i didnt get back sooner (Times just been flying by:D)

I have trouble getting my head around all of this too. I tend to look up links on the Internet in regards to 2012 or the Montauk projects that are going on.

http://montalk.net/notes/time-speeding-up

Hope this helps! Goldy.

[chandrakavi]

Who will last longer, you or time? If you believe time is stronger than you, then you will die, and until you die you will be a slave to time.

If you believe you are stronger than time, then try to reverse time and see how accurate your belief is.

The truth is that time is in you. Time is not outside of you. And so if you believe time is against you you are gravely mistaken.


Right! before we were born there were zillions of graves and Time still exists.
Clocks stop, but time doesn't....

Time is a concept, to order us , and we need that,
but again it is an establishment concept....
we need not get out of it,
we need to understand it.
we only have MEMORIES of the past, the future has not come yet,
we only have the PRESENT
like they say:
Each day is a
gift
from God
That's why we call it the
PRESENT

[cleft_asunder]

I don't think you can confirm or prove time is speeding up, But I do think you can feel and experience it.

I've tried to do what I used to do in a day and I found I couldn't.

I will agree with you guys that time is speeding up, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[titurel]

Art Bell called this modern phenomenon of time speeding up "the Quickening". He discusses it in his book, co-written by Whitley Strieber, "The Coming Global Superstorm". Art Bell also wrote, "The Quickening: Today's Trends, Tomorrow's World"...

[cleft_asunder]

Art Bell called this modern phenomenon of time speeding up "the Quickening". He discusses it in his book, co-written by Whitley Strieber, "The Coming Global Superstorm". Art Bell also wrote, "The Quickening: Today's Trends, Tomorrow's World"...

Aren't those two CIA?

[Anders Lindman]

Right! before we were born there were zillions of graves and Time still exists.
Clocks stop, but time doesn't....

Time is a concept, to order us , and we need that,
but again it is an establishment concept....
we need not get out of it,
we need to understand it.
we only have MEMORIES of the past, the future has not come yet,
we only have the PRESENT
like they say:
Each day is a
gift
from God
That's why we call it the
PRESENT

That made me think about something. Time is a structure but it is also a flow. Maybe our society has become too fixated at time as structure and so that we have lost touch with the flow aspect of time? :confused:

[Anders Lindman]

Holy fucking shit! I just discovered that it's possible to sense the flow of time. A very powerful flow. It feels painful in relation to the brain's ordinary sense of time. Crazy stuff. :eek::D

[cleft_asunder]

Holy fucking shit! I just discovered that it's possible to sense the flow of time. A very powerful flow. It feels painful in relation to the brain's ordinary sense of time. Crazy stuff. :eek::D

Instructions please.

[Anders Lindman]

Instructions please.

When I think about time the mind creates thoughts that are actually fixed; the mental images of time are held against the actual flow of time. I strongly believe that's why it's so often felt that time is against the mind.

I just sensed the actual flow of time. I must practice it a bit more to know what the hell all that is about. Is it possible to enter the flow of time itself somehow? :confused:

People have often talked about "being in the now", but that's the wrong approach I think. The mental idea of a 'now' is still a fixed thought that is struggling against the actual flow of time.

[chandrakavi]

That made me think about something. Time is a structure but it is also a flow. Maybe our society has become too fixated at time as structure and so that we have lost touch with the flow aspect of time? :confused:

CRONOLOGICAL TIME CORRESPONDS TO YOUR PHYSICAL BODY
PSYCHOLOGICAL TIME TO YOUR MIND(HOW YOU "FEEL" TIME)
AND REAL TIME TO YOUR BEING

The more complex a society becomes ,the more obsessed with Cronological time(utilitarian) people become.

But time is not against you, you've made it a problem.
Your body will grow and finally die, it is finite, but that has nothing to do with time....

Time is a structure created by the system to keep everything in order, or else
there would be chaos. But it doesn't exist, we created it.

[spiritualone]

People have often talked about "being in the now", but that's the wrong approach I think. The mental idea of a 'now' is still a fixed thought that is struggling against the actual flow of time.

'now' cannot be a mental idea. By the time you have 'thought' about it, you are in a new 'now', effectively you are living in the past through the mind. 'now' is the continuous flow of time.

[Anders Lindman]

Time is a structure created by the system to keep everything in order, or else
there would be chaos. But it doesn't exist, we created it.

Calendar time and time as we think of it is a structure. But the actual movement of time is not a structure but a flow.

[Anders Lindman]

'now' cannot be a mental idea. By the time you have 'thought' about it, you are in a new 'now', effectively you are living in the past through the mind. 'now' is the continuous flow of time.

I would say that the 'now' is both a mental idea and the direct experience of it. Mental ideas are struggling against the flow of time. OR, if possible, and that would be interesting: mental ideas can also flow but in other directions than the flow of time.

For example, if I think about an apple, then there are thoughts about an apple held in my mind against the flow of time. Those thoughts can themselves shift and move independent of the flow of time, yet the thoughts are always structures, and the actual flow of time is never a structure.

[oceanwave]

When we are having fun, time flies by. But when we are suffering, time is stretched out. The ratio isn't proportional, therefore couldn't it be said that suffering is greater than happiness in the universe, since there is a bias?

Things like this make me believe in the Gnostic view that a demi-urge created time and this universe to entrap us.

maybe therin lies your problem...rather than time

it's having or not havin fun...

...that 'strectches'..so called time (which is perception really)...

[chandrakavi]

Calendar time and time as we think of it is a structure. But the actual movement of time is not a structure but a flow.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE, TIME IS A FLOW!!:):D
JUST AS LIFE IS LIKE A RIVER THAT FLOWS.