CNN "Jews did 9/11" hit piece SMASHED

[phantom]

CNN "Jews did 9/11" hit piece SMASHED

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=8170499043840793183

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information." - US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.

All 9/11 Airports Serviced by One Israeli Owned Company - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ICTS.html

Odigo Workers Received Warning of 9/11 Attacks - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/odigo_9-11_warning.html

The Five Dancing Israelis Arrested On 9/11 - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

FBI Fury As Men With Nuke Plans, Valid Israeli Passports Escape - http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/israelswithnukes.html

German Intelligence assessment of 9/11: Translation of Secret BND Report of September 11, 2001 - http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2781.htm#005

The Role of the Israeli Mossad in the Terrorist Attacks

"These investigations disclosed in late May of 2001 that an attack was to be made against certain specified targets in the American cities of Washington and New York. But it was apparent that the Mossad was not only fully aware of these attacks well in advance but actually, through their own agents inside the Arab groups, assisted in the planning and the eventual execution of the attacks."

[steevo]

It's not the Jews to blame, or the muslims it's not the anything. As far as I am concerned, it doesnt matter what their race or religion is.

That CNN "news" report is wanting us to blame the Jews because if we do, then they hope, that we wont see who the REAL perpetrators are and, therefore, we wont be able to name names, we will just say oh it was The Jews (a whole race of people). It suits their agenda if we were to blame a race of people.

The Illuminati are getting desperate now, 1 in 3 Americans dont believe that official bullshit story, the awakening is going mainstream, well almost :D

The Illuminati are Zionists that is for sure (IMO) but why do we always use the word Zionist, when the mainstream media are using that word against us and are suggesting we are anti-semites. I know they are wrong to accuse us of that and that they are spreading disinformation about us and trying to discredit us, but why do we use that word "zionist", is it the most applicable word to describe the Illuminati/NWO ?

[phantom]

Hi steevo

I understand what you are saying, and I guess the title is misleading. By saying jews, it automatically links all jews as conspirators when we know that is not so. It should have read - CNN "Israeli Mossad did 9/11" hit piece SMASHED.

I for one, believe israel had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.

[steevo]

Hi steevo

I understand what you are saying, and I guess the title is misleading. By saying jews, it automatically links all jews as conspirators when we know that is not so. It should have read - CNN "Israeli Mossad did 9/11" hit piece SMASHED.

I for one, believe israel had a hand in the 9/11 attacks.

Soz Phantom, I should have made it clear what I was saying and I didnt. I was NOT criticing the title of your post, I was criticising the CNN "news" report which apparently was criticing us for supposedly blaming the Jews (which we are NOT). And because the Al Quaida story doesnt cut the mustard with alot of people now, I think that they would be quite happy for us to blame the Jews cos it deflects the blame from them the true perpertrators (NWO). Abit of reverse psychology by CNN.

[phantom]

Ok steevo, thanks.

It is amazing really, considering the majority who believe 9'11 was an inside job do not believe that israel was involved. They have either not read the available info regarding the israeli involvement or they just simply refuse to believe it.

It is typical of the MSM to use reverse psychology. It is their way of confusing the issue to cover up for the real perpetrators.

[mynameis]

That's because we have no smoking gun that anyone Israeli could have been part of the actual plot prior to 9/11. Yes, there were lots of spies, but when don't countries have spies?

[phantom]

Hi mynameis

Did you read: German Intelligence assessment of 9/11: Translation of Secret BND Report of September 11, 2001 - http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2781.htm#005

The Role of the Israeli Mossad in the Terrorist Attacks

"These investigations disclosed in late May of 2001 that an attack was to be made against certain specified targets in the American cities of Washington and New York. But it was apparent that the Mossad was not only fully aware of these attacks well in advance but actually, through their own agents inside the Arab groups, assisted in the planning and the eventual execution of the attacks."

Besides this story, how many of the people you believe were involved with 9/11 are zionists, israeli firsters?

[mynameis]

For starters, this is not provable fact and it's not a smoking gun.

Awareness and alerted nature of spies are told to keep their cover instead of warning people like law enforcement. Is this a crime? Only if they knew, the targets that were going to be attacked, when, and where.

It is very evident from surveillance conducted against Mossad agents in the Federal Republic as well as interceptions of Israeli diplomatic communication from the Federal Republic to Tel Aviv, that the Mossad had successfully penetrated various extremist Arab groups in both the Federal Republic and the United States.

[phantom]

For me, the smoking gun is that israelis are all over 9/11.

Everywhere you look regarding 9/11, you see israeli connections. To many to be just a coincidence. I listed a few above in my original post.

They have deliberately ignored perhaps the greatest israeli smoking gun of September 11th. israelis were arrested by the FBI with a truckload of explosives on the George Washington Bridge ON SEPTEMBER 11TH 2001.

I am interested to know who youbelieve pulled off 9/11.

I am also interested in hearing your 'provable fact's and what you consider to be the 'smoking gun' that leads you to believe what you do.

I am sure, if all the circumstantial evidence that is available linking israel to 9/11 was to ever be put in front of a jury, israel would be found guilty as charged.

[mynameis]

PTECH, 9/11, and USA-SAUDI TERROR
PART II

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

[phantom]

So, by posting that link about ptech are you saying that Arabs/Muslims pulled off 911?

Well, here is a little bit of interesting info about ptech that, yes you guessed it, points to israel/mossad:

""Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as the enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful," FTW reported. "To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House and Secret Service had the same software on their systems ? likely a superior modified version capable of 'surveillance and intervention' systems."

But did the U.S. government unwittingly load software capable of "surveillance and intervention" operations and produced by a company linked to terrorism onto its most sensitive computer networks, or was Ptech simply a Mossad "cutout" company?

Oussama Ziade, a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who came to the U.S. in 1985, founded Ptech in 1994. But the company's original manager of marketing and information systems was Michael S. Goff, whose PR firm, Goff Communications, currently represents Guardium, a Mossad-linked software company.

And Goff comes from a well-to-do line of Jewish Masons who have belonged to Worcester's Commonwealth Lodge 600 of B'nai Brith for decades. So, why would a recently graduated Juris Doctor in Law leave a promising law career to join forces with a Lebanese Muslim's upstart company sponsored with dodgy funders in Saudi Arabia?

"As information systems manager [for Ptech], Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks," Goff's website says. "Michael also performed employee training and handled all procurement for software, systems and peripherals."

AFP asked Goff, who left the Worcester law firm of Seder & Chandler in 1994, how he wound up working at Ptech. "Through a temp agency," Goff said. Asked for the name of the agency, Goff said he could not remember.

Could it be Mossad Temps, or maybe Sayan Placement Agency?

Goff, the original marketing manager for Ptech software, said he did not know who had written the code that Ptech sold to many government agencies. Is this believable?

Goff leaves a legal practice in his home town to take a job, through a temp agency, with a Lebanese Muslim immigrant who is selling software, and he doesn't know who even wrote the code?

AFP contacted the government agencies that reportedly have Ptech software on their computers, and IBM, to ask if they could identify who had written the source code of the Ptech software.

By press time, only Lt. Commander Ron Steiner of the U.S. Navy's Naval Network Warfare Command had responded. Steiner said he had checked with an analyst and been told that none of the Ptech software has been approved for the Navy's enterprise networks."

Read the full article here (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3007)

[megafish33]

I would not be surprised if Islamic extremist with Israeli citizenship were also involved... ;)

Jews could have "done 9/11." Anything is possible. Israeli Jews could have "done 9/11." Anything is possible. This doesn't mean Israel did 9/11 though. I feel certain Americans have contributed to 9/11 via foreign policy, but I don't blame the USA for having two planes explode into two tall buildings in lower Manhattan.

Last time I heard Arabs-Saudis-did 9/11. One thing I've learned in the last decade is that the West and the "East"(or mideast) is run by psychos who believe in a savior that will give them the world if they destroy the opposing half. Israel is in the middle and probably will suffer greatly, if not be dismantled all together. I will miss the beaches and beautiful people that is for sure. Oh well... maybe Dubai will still exist.

Here are their faces... they're not Jews... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks)

[mynameis]

You're relying on dis-information from the Rense you do know that right?

Second, how does PROMIS get into Mossad's hands? It doesn't you see you didn't read a word from P-Tech.

Thirdly, this is just like saying: Since the company has employed German Americans there, so it must be the Germans, you do realize?

[phantom]

Hi megafish33

"I would not be surprised if Islamic extremist with Israeli citizenship were also involved"

Oh please, nice try though. That is the first time I have heard anyone suggest such a thing. It is a fact that israelis/mossad have been caught (http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1262362,00.html) on a number of occasions (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html) using fake passports (http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-481325/SYRIA-May-6-Israeli-Assassins.html) to gain access to countries (http://thecanadianencyclopedia.com/index.cfm?PgNm=TCE&Params=M1ARTM0011418).

"Last time I heard Arabs-Saudis-did 9/11"

That was the first story that spread around the world like wild fire but it was all lies, just like all that intelligence info they had about Saddam and his WMD's. But as time passed, it was revealed that at least seven of the supposed hijackers are STILL ALIVE AND WELL (http://guardian.150m.com/september-eleven/hijackers-alive.htm). Ooooooops! :confused:

"One thing I've learned in the last decade is that the West and the "East"(or mideast) is run by psychos who believe in a savior that will give them the world if they destroy the opposing half."

One thing that I have learnt over the years is to question anything the zionist controlled MSM has to report on vital world political events because most politicians are professional liars and the zionist controlled MSM has it's own agenda against the Muslim world.

"Israel is in the middle and probably will suffer greatly, if not be dismantled all together. I will miss the beaches and beautiful people that is for sure. Oh well... maybe Dubai will still exist."

israel is the instigator of the 9/11 attacks. israel has many US politicians in their pockets, either via blackmail or by payment and promise of political success with support from the israeli lobby.

"Here are their faces... they're not Jews"

Ooooops! Seven of those face need to be removed because THEY ARE STILL ALIVE. I wonder how many of those faces were the real terrorists? My guess is NONE.

By way of deception thou shalt do war.

[megafish33]

"One thing I've learned in the last decade is that the West and the "East"(or mideast) is run by psychos who believe in a savior that will give them the world if they destroy the opposing half."

One thing that I have learnt over the years is to question anything the zionist controlled MSM has to report on vital world political events because most politicians are professional liars and the zionist controlled MSM has it's own agenda against the Muslim world.



phantom,

What is the "zionist controlled MSM?" I agree that Zionism has an agenda regarding the Muslim world. But I feel it's agenda is more of a national one. The agenda of the Muslim world is to take over the whole world via jihad and terror. Please don't tell this is more "disinfo," because it isn't. It's just giving Zionists carte blanche, which is just dumb anyway. I don't know why they allow it. The Project for a New American Century(in the way it's being fulfilled) and the NWO agenda affects me more that a bunch of Torah psychos wanting to rebuild the Temple, which will most likely never happen due the fundamental Muslim and Christian agendas anyway.

Thanks for the info regarding the seven that are alive! I'm gonna read up on all of that when I get a chance.

[phantom]

mynameis, did I link to a Rense article? If Rense is such a dis-informer, why does Icke agree to do radio interviews with him? Is Icke spreading dis-info too?

How did promis get into the hands of Mossad?

The Promis-managed data could be anything from financial records of banking institutions to compilations of various records used to track the movement of terrorists. That made the program a natural for Israel which, according to Hamilton and many other sources, was one of the first countries to acquire the bootlegged software from Meese and Company. As voluminously described by Inslaw attorney, the late Elliot Richardson, the Israeli Mossad under the direction of Rafi Eitan, allegedly modified the software yet again and sold it throughout the Middle East. It was Eitan, the legendary Mossad captor of Adolph Eichmann, according to Hamilton, who had masqueraded as an Israeli prosecutor to enter Inslaw's DC offices years earlier and obtain a first hand demonstration of what the Promis could do.

Not too many Arab nations would trust a friendly Mossad agent selling computer programs. So the Mossad provided their modified Promis to flamboyant British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, a WWII Jewish resistance fighter who had assumed the Anglo name and British citizenship after the war. It was Maxwell, capable of travelling the world and with enormous marketing resources, who became the sales agent for Promis and then sold it to, among others, the Canadian government. Maxwell drowned mysteriously in late 1991, not long after investigative reporter Danny Casolaro was "suicided" in West Virginia. Maxwell may not have been the only one to send Promis north. (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/052401_promis.html)

You can also read more about the Mossad connection to PROMIS by going through some of the links here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=PROMIS+and+Mossad&hl=en&start=20&sa=N)

Forget your third point, it is covered in the above.

[phantom]

Hey megafish33

"What is the zionist controlled MSM?"

It is exactly what I said it is. The Main Stream Media is owned and controlled by zionist jews, hense the phrase zionist controlled MSM (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htm).

"I agree that Zionism has an agenda regarding the Muslim world. But I feel it's agenda is more of a national one"

It is national but not in the way I think you mean. Good to see you admit that zionism has an agenda against the Muslims anyway and now that you believe that, surely you can't believe what you wrote below because it was given to you by the zionist controlled MSM.

"The agenda of the Muslim world is to take over the whole world via jihad and terror. Please don't tell this is more "disinfo," because it isn't. It's just giving Zionists carte blanche, which is just dumb anyway"

Rubbish, this is just more zionist bullshit. The way you have put it sounds as if all Muslims want to take over the world but the zionist lie is that Radical Muslims want to take over the world.

Islam is intent on taking over the world (http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/07/09/compiling-zionist-lies/)

A good summary of this Zionist lie is in the book “Islamic Imperialism” by Efraim Karsh (2007, Yale University Press, New Haven and London) of which thousands were printed and distributed free to clergy and opinion makers around the US (the Zionist group cryptically named “Institute on Religion and Democracy”, Washington, D.C. is distributing it free). Muslims have been victimized by colonial powers for hundreds of years and have no coherent political or military power. Most of the countries with Muslim majority are ruled by puppets of the US. US forces are in over 140 countries (at least two dozen Muslim majority). A lot of the fundamentalist group that are now used as evidence of this pan-ISlamic desire to take on the world were created or supported by the West. Here are just a few examples of groups that were reliant on Western support:
Taliban and Jihadis in Afghanistan
Extremist Sunni groups in Lebanon
see http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6945.shtml
and http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hersh_Bush_arranged_support_for_militants_0522.htm l

"I don't know why they allow it. The Project for a New American Century(in the way it's being fulfilled) and the NWO agenda affects me more that a bunch of Torah psychos wanting to rebuild the Temple, which will most likely never happen due the fundamental Muslim and Christian agendas anyway"

First of all, zionists do NOT believe in the Torah, that is read by orthodox jews, many of whom are against zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/ZionistState/elections.cfm). zionism is a jewish national movement or political party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Zionist_political_parties_in_Israel) not a religious movement.

And secondly, PNAC was written by zionists (http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/how-the-project-for-a-new-american-century-made-america-attack-iraq/) PNAC was founded in the spring of 1997 by the well-known Zionist neo-conservatives Robert Kagan and William Kristol of The Weekly Standard.

"Thanks for the info regarding the seven that are alive! I'm gonna read up on all of that when I get a chance."

You're welcome and make sure you do read up on the seven Muslim hijackers who are alive and well.

9/11 was a set up, we have all been hoodwinked.

[mynameis]

mynameis, did I link to a Rense article? If Rense is such a dis-informer, why does Icke agree to do radio interviews with him? Is Icke spreading dis-info too?

How did promis get into the hands of Mossad?

The Promis-managed data could be anything from financial records of banking institutions to compilations of various records used to track the movement of terrorists. That made the program a natural for Israel which, according to Hamilton and many other sources, was one of the first countries to acquire the bootlegged software from Meese and Company. As voluminously described by Inslaw attorney, the late Elliot Richardson, the Israeli Mossad under the direction of Rafi Eitan, allegedly modified the software yet again and sold it throughout the Middle East. It was Eitan, the legendary Mossad captor of Adolph Eichmann, according to Hamilton, who had masqueraded as an Israeli prosecutor to enter Inslaw's DC offices years earlier and obtain a first hand demonstration of what the Promis could do.

Not too many Arab nations would trust a friendly Mossad agent selling computer programs. So the Mossad provided their modified Promis to flamboyant British publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, a WWII Jewish resistance fighter who had assumed the Anglo name and British citizenship after the war. It was Maxwell, capable of travelling the world and with enormous marketing resources, who became the sales agent for Promis and then sold it to, among others, the Canadian government. Maxwell drowned mysteriously in late 1991, not long after investigative reporter Danny Casolaro was "suicided" in West Virginia. Maxwell may not have been the only one to send Promis north. (http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/052401_promis.html)

You can also read more about the Mossad connection to PROMIS by going through some of the links here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=PROMIS+and+Mossad&hl=en&start=20&sa=N)

Forget your third point, it is covered in the above.

I can't find a single source that cites any of the material you are now citing that would indicate that PROMIS was active in 1991.

Robert Maxwell, a World War II Jewish resistance fighter who assumed the Angelo name and British citizenship after the war. It was Maxwell capable of (speculation) traveling the world with marketing resources, (specualation) who became the sales agent of PROMIS (by this determination an 11-year old program) and then sold it to, among others, the Canadian Government. Maxwell drowned mysteriously in late 1991, not long after investigative reporter Danny Casolaro (died) was suicided in West Virginia. Maxwell may (there might be other spies, what a revelation) have not been the only one to send PROMIS north (in 1991).

The above does not rule out that these rings are prevalent and could have been working on the next generation software as a successor to P-TECH. I don't think you've read parts of "Crossing the Rubicon" By Michael C. Ruppert, neither have I, but that debunks a Mossad Link earlier than 2000. Especially without an exchange of hands for the transactions of one program on wards.

[phantom]

PROMIS was active in 83. It was installed at numerous U.S. Attorneys Offices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inslaw).

From the same link:

In early 1999, the British journalist and author, Gordon Thomas, published an authorized history of the Israeli Mossad entitled "Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad". The book quotes detailed admissions by the former long-time deputy director of the Mossad about the partnersip between Israeli and U.S. intelligence in selling in excess of $500 million worth of licenses to a Trojan horse version of PROMIS to foreign intelligence agencies in order to spy on them.

This is an interesting read.......Israeli Spy Cover-up Crumbles (http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/101499a.html)

[phantom]

Here is another interesting read regarding Ptech/PROMIS.

Is MITRE Corp. The Trojan Horse of 9/11? (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=68463)

"Did a central controller with "super user" privileges of the command and control systems of the Department of Defense, NORAD, the Air Force, and the FAA, control the aerial attacks of 9/11? There is only one agency that has that capability a little-known private company known as MITRE Corp.

The MITRE Corp. is a major defense contracting organization headed by the former Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), Dr. James Rodney Schlesinger. Schlesinger, who was reportedly made DCI at the request of Henry Kissinger (zionist) in 1973, later served as Secretary of Defense.

Schlesinger, a former director of strategic studies at the RAND Corp., was described in a 1973 biography as a "devout Lutheran," although he was born in New York in 1929 to immigrant Jewish parents from Austria and Russia. Schlesinger earned three degrees from Harvard University.

Schlesinger's father, an accountant, founded the accounting firm Schlesinger & Haas, and was a trustee and chairman of the budget of the Stephen Wise Free Synagogue. His father was also a member of the New York State Grand Lodge of Masons.

The MITRE Corp., of which Schlesinger is chairman of the board of trustees, is connected to the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), MIT's Lincoln Laboratory, and Mitretek Systems of Falls Church, Va.

Schlesinger is a senior advisor for the Lehman Brothers investment firm and a member of the Defense Policy Board and advisory council for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS).

The MITRE Corp. has provided computer and information technology to the FAA and the U.S. Air Force since the late 1950's. MITRE is a Federally Funded Research and Development Center (FFRDC) for the Dept. of Defense, the FAA, and the Internal Revenue Service.

The chairman of the board of trustees of Mitretek Systems, a spin-off of MITRE Corp., is Martin R. Hoffmann, who served as Secretary of the Army when the "perfect terrorist plan" was reportedly prepared in 1976.

Ptech was with Mitre Corporation in the basement of the FAA for two years prior to 9/11. Their specific job is to look at interoperability issues the FAA had with NORAD and the Air Force in the case of an emergency. If anyone was in a position to know that the FAA, that there was a window of opportunity or to insert software or to change anything it would have been Ptech along with Mitre.

A representative of Ptech could not be reached." [Ptech appears to have been a Mossad front company created to provide insecure Trojan Horse software to the U.S. military and intelligence agencies. Ptech has the typical Arab owners and financiers - and Mossad operators.]

[phantom]

And here is an interesting story about how israel controls US Government computer networks.

Israelis Hold Keys to NSA and U.S. Government Computers (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=89717)

CRITICAL U.S. GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY COMPUTER NETWORKS USING ISRAELI "SECURITY" SOFTWARE

The most critical computer and communication networks used by the U.S. government and military are secured by encryption software written by an Israeli "code breaker" tied to an Israeli state-run scientific institution.

The National Security Agency (NSA), the U.S. intelligence agency with the mandate to protect government and military computer networks and provide secure communications for all branches of the U.S. government uses security software written by an Israeli code breaker whose home office is located at the Weizmann Institute in Israel.

A Bedford, Massachusetts-based company called RSA Security, Inc. issued a press release on March 28, 2006, which revealed that the NSA would be using its security software:

"U.S. Department of Defense Agency Selects RSA Security Encryption Software" was the headline of the company's press release which announced that the National Security Agency had selected its encryption software to be used in the agency's "classified communications project."

RSA stands for the names of the founders of the company: Ronald L. Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard M. Adleman. Adi Shamir, the lead theoretician, is an Israeli citizen and a professor at the Weizmann Institute, a scientific institution tied to the Israeli defense establishment.

"My main area of research is cryptography – making and breaking codes," Shamir's webpage at the Weizmann Institute says. "It is motivated by the explosive growth of computer networks and wireless communication. Without cryptographic protection, confidential information can be exposed to eavesdroppers, modified by hackers, or forged by criminals."

The NSA/Central Security Service defines itself as America’s cryptologic organization, which "coordinates, directs, and performs highly specialized activities to protect U.S. government information systems and produce foreign signals intelligence information."

The fact that the federal intelligence agency responsible for protecting the most critical computer systems and communications networks used by all branches of the U.S. government and military is using Israeli-made encryption software should come as no surprise. The RSA press release is just the icing on the cake; the keys to the most critical computer networks in the United States have long been held in Israeli hands.

You can read the rest here (http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=89717)

[eternal_spirit]

http://judicial-inc.biz/False_15.jpg
Israel's Mossad
Black Ops and False Flags

follow the link

http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm

[megafish33]

Hey megafish33

"What is the zionist controlled MSM?"

It is exactly what I said it is. The Main Stream Media is owned and controlled by zionist jews, hense the phrase zionist controlled MSM (http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia.htm).

"I agree that Zionism has an agenda regarding the Muslim world. But I feel it's agenda is more of a national one"

It is national but not in the way I think you mean. Good to see you admit that zionism has an agenda against the Muslims anyway and now that you believe that, surely you can't believe what you wrote below because it was given to you by the zionist controlled MSM.

"The agenda of the Muslim world is to take over the whole world via jihad and terror. Please don't tell this is more "disinfo," because it isn't. It's just giving Zionists carte blanche, which is just dumb anyway"

Rubbish, this is just more zionist bullshit. The way you have put it sounds as if all Muslims want to take over the world but the zionist lie is that Radical Muslims want to take over the world.

Islam is intent on taking over the world (http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2007/07/09/compiling-zionist-lies/)

A good summary of this Zionist lie is in the book “Islamic Imperialism” by Efraim Karsh (2007, Yale University Press, New Haven and London) of which thousands were printed and distributed free to clergy and opinion makers around the US (the Zionist group cryptically named “Institute on Religion and Democracy”, Washington, D.C. is distributing it free). Muslims have been victimized by colonial powers for hundreds of years and have no coherent political or military power. Most of the countries with Muslim majority are ruled by puppets of the US. US forces are in over 140 countries (at least two dozen Muslim majority). A lot of the fundamentalist group that are now used as evidence of this pan-ISlamic desire to take on the world were created or supported by the West. Here are just a few examples of groups that were reliant on Western support:
Taliban and Jihadis in Afghanistan
Extremist Sunni groups in Lebanon
see http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article6945.shtml
and http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Hersh_Bush_arranged_support_for_militants_0522.htm l

"I don't know why they allow it. The Project for a New American Century(in the way it's being fulfilled) and the NWO agenda affects me more that a bunch of Torah psychos wanting to rebuild the Temple, which will most likely never happen due the fundamental Muslim and Christian agendas anyway"

First of all, zionists do NOT believe in the Torah, that is read by orthodox jews, many of whom are against zionism (http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/ZionistState/elections.cfm). zionism is a jewish national movement or political party (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Zionist_political_parties_in_Israel) not a religious movement.

And secondly, PNAC was written by zionists (http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2007/10/04/how-the-project-for-a-new-american-century-made-america-attack-iraq/) PNAC was founded in the spring of 1997 by the well-known Zionist neo-conservatives Robert Kagan and William Kristol of The Weekly Standard.

"Thanks for the info regarding the seven that are alive! I'm gonna read up on all of that when I get a chance."

You're welcome and make sure you do read up on the seven Muslim hijackers who are alive and well.

9/11 was a set up, we have all been hoodwinked.

That's fine I just wanted to know what you labeled the "Zionist MSM" as. Also, when I speak of the negative aspects of the collective Muslim world I'm obviously referring to the psychos that rise to the top and dominate with terror, just as those do in the Judeo-Christian world.

My statement about the actions of Muslim terrorists is evident in their actions. The zionistmsm didn't need to convince me. Imagine a little girl never under the influence of zionistmsm, in fact she's influenced to think of Jews as the devil, walk out of her home and get blown up by her neighbor who felt Allah told him to do such a thing. Some of those people kill each other, without the need of Israeli "defense." Say what you will of Israelis, but they don't "push" anyone to do nearly as much carnage that is done. What made Muslim terrorist go to South America, no where near Israel, and blow up a Jewish hospital? The Western media, of course, uses it to their advantage! "see! I told u they're all crazy fuckers, nuke em!" :rolleyes: In reality though, I do believe it's the West that is trying to take over the world, not Islamic nations. This is my concern.

I disagree with your statement that Zionists don't believe in Torah. I've been in Israel and I can tell you there are plenty of diehard Zionists that are also religious and read Torah. Those "Jews against Zionism" groups are a minority. Of course much of the "Zionists" of conspiracy theories are also a small minority. Being a Republican here is also political, but many of them are Christians.

Thanks again for the other links... I will go through them, and sorry if this post reads like shit... I'm so out of it now. But I also want to let you know that many people have websites these days with their own agendas. Just like not everything you see on TV is accurate, not every website proclaim this guy and that guy is Jewish is accurate. Keep that in mind when doing your research and you'll sift out your gold for keeps while dumping the garbage.

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Hi megafish33

Here's a scenario for you.

You are in your house with your family watching TV or whatever, then all of a sudden, armed men run in force the lot of you outside, then, as you all stand at the edge of your garden a bulldozer drives past and smashes your home to the ground, what actions would you take?

Israel is an illegal state it is no more democratic as say, North Korea is. It is a racist apartheid country, murdering innocent men, women and children almost everyday. You cannot blame the people of Palestine for fighting back and using suicide bombers, what else do they have to fight with apart from a few antique or home made rockets, old guns and rocks. Because of the power of the Zionist controlled MSM, we hardly ever hear about the deaths of innocent Palestinians but when a few jews die it is all over the zionist controlled MSM.

You are right in believing that the West, namely America is trying to take over and police the world and not the Muslims because the Muslims do not have the military capabilities to do such a thing.

You are right about some Zionists believing in the Torah, that was a mistake on my part. I should phrased what I meant to say a little better. Thanks for pointing that mistake out.

Make sure you read through those links and thanks for the advice. I have been trawling the net for a very long time (nearly ten years) and I like to think I know what sources to trust and what sources not to.