Attempts to debunk "reptilian eyes"

[damagedbrainn]

Two youtubers attempts at showing how the "reptilian eye" effect is done with lighting, particularly done with attention to the "Reptile Woman" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0BMh-7ppc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH7Ggu9SQkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdh7HBUJ5c

[woghd]

You forgot to mention FAILED attempts....

These are two clowns who FAILED to reproduce the cat-eye effect! They gave up their efforts and didn't even try to claim the $25,000 ! They are sticking lights in their eye, and it still doesn't work, lol. PLEASE watch these videos, so you can see what a failed attempt looks like.

These guys failed, so why produce them as though they succeeded? Oh yeah, more propaganda. lol. These are examples of what NOT to do, not the other way around, but spin-it, spin-it. That's what you're paid for, right?

Come back to me when you have a video that looks like THIS:
http://realshapeshifters.com/images/realshapeshifters.jpg

In all seriousness it should be noted that at least these guys made the attempt. And should be applauded for at least trying. A lot of people say a lot of stuff that is absolute nonsense, talking about the picture quality or the lighting and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. These two guys at least had the integrity to put their theories to the test, and attempt to back up what they say with facts. That's more than can be said about 99% of the debunkers out there, so I applaud these guys. Seriously.
Archangel

[adimon]

These are two clowns

these guys...should be applauded

Do you usually applaud clowns? :D

Anyway, I applaud them for their stupidity, for believing in the $25,000 reward, for wasting so many precious hours of their lives on a task which you yourself described as impossible. :(

And I applaud you for your not giving a shit that you may soon be a pariah. :rolleyes:

[woghd]

Do you usually applaud clowns? :D

Anyway, I applaud them for their stupidity, for believing in the $25,000 reward, for wasting so many precious hours of their lives on a task which you yourself described as impossible. :(

And I applaud you for your not giving a shit that you may soon be a pariah. :rolleyes:

Well actually it's possible if you happen to be filming an actual reptilian...
As for the reward, and your claim that it isn't real, the check is available on realshapeshifters.com for anyone to look at. All someone needs to do is CLAIM it. Everyone who has tried, including guys who own professional movie studios like the guy above, has thrown in the towel.

Yes, of course the task is impossible because Reptile Woman is REAL, that's the whole point!

Archangel

[adimon]

Yes, of course the task is impossible because Reptile Woman is REAL, that's the whole point!

OK I believe you. She is a REAL reptilian.

And you are going to sit down and conduct an interview with her.

Aren't you worried she might claw your face off/eat your children?

Or are you more worried she might not shapeshift on demand?

Well at least if she didn't attack you, and didn't shapeshift, you could ask her what her favourite color was. I'm guessing yellow.

Speaking of colors, when are you going to create a poll to see if people believe the clip is genuine?

[damagedbrainn]

Speaking of colors, when are you going to create a poll to see if people believe the clip is genuine?

I went ahead and did it, just to get it done. I have my doubts about how many will actually participate in it, but we'll see.

And please no arguing in that thread so that it doesn't get closed or moved.

[edelweiss pirate]

Where have those videos gone?

It's worrying that u-tubers are actually having to debunk us isn't it?

[kasalt]

I went ahead and did it, just to get it done. I have my doubts about how many will actually participate in it, but we'll see.


Poll: Shapeshifting Video
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13702

View Poll Results: Is this video a real example of shapeshifting?
Yes: 4 - 14.29%
No: 13 - 46.43%
I don't know: 11 - 39.29%

[damagedbrainn]

Poll: Shapeshifting Video
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13702

View Poll Results: Is this video a real example of shapeshifting?
Yes: 4 - 14.29%
No: 13 - 46.43%
I don't know: 11 - 39.29%

Sometimes it's nice to be wrong.

[damagedbrainn]

Where have those videos gone?

It's worrying that u-tubers are actually having to debunk us isn't it?

The second video is still there, I'm not sure what happened to the first and the last.

The guy in those two videos is kind of a dick. There is one decent video where he shows how morphing can be easily applied to images using a simple freeware program, but I avoided posting it because his language gets a bit too derogatory.

[woghd]

Where have those videos gone?

It's worrying that u-tubers are actually having to debunk us isn't it?

If he removed them, the guy probably removed the videos out of embarrassment. One thing that Damagedbrain and I can agree on is that the guy is a jerk. Not only did he fail to re-create the cat-eye effect, on his third attempt he actually stuck his flashlight into his eye and ended up having to go to the doctor. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. He then sent us a nasty email demanding the $25,000 plus medical expenses, because he wouldn't have bruised his eye had we not intrigued him into the attempt, then he threatened to sue us, etc. etc. Now he's pulled the videos? No surprise.

Archangel

[thirdwave]

Two youtubers attempts at showing how the "reptilian eye" effect is done with lighting, particularly done with attention to the "Reptile Woman" video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0BMh-7ppc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH7Ggu9SQkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdh7HBUJ5c

one guy has closed them now... the second link ...just about showed us how its possible to make the focus of the pupil go in and out buy extreme movement of his head and light almost so you cant even see the pupil... but it was nothing like what was seen face on with very little movement. when a clear view if slit like eyes was seen.

So as far as these videos go that have not debunked anything.

[thirdwave]

If he removed them, the guy probably removed the videos out of embarrassment. One thing that Damagedbrain and I can agree on is that the guy is a jerk. Not only did he fail to re-create the cat-eye effect, on his third attempt he actually stuck his flashlight into his eye and ended up having to go to the doctor. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP. He then sent us a nasty email demanding the $25,000 plus medical expenses, because he wouldn't have bruised his eye had we not intrigued him into the attempt, then he threatened to sue us, etc. etc. Now he's pulled the videos? No surprise.

Archangel


that's is actually quite funny!, just goes to show, not all sceptics are as smart as they think :)

[damagedbrainn]

Where have those videos gone?

It's worrying that u-tubers are actually having to debunk us isn't it?

Both of the videos are still up, it seems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdh7HBUJ5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0BMh-7ppc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH7Ggu9SQkw

The links have just become fucked-up for some reason.


Edit: I think the problem with axemanjackson's videos is that he's disabled embedding, so here's the direct links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQdh7HBUJ5c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ue0BMh-7ppc

[woghd]

Everybody should look at these videos because it shows the mindset of the armchair debunker. The cat-eye effect is probably the simplest of the imagry in Reptile woman, and here's two guys who cannot recreate even the lighting which they claim is responsible for it. One has an entire studio at his disposal, the other seriously injured himself in the attempt. I suppose we better start telling the kids "DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME"...

But this is just ONE of perhaps 20 different types of imagry caught on the shapeshifter video, a video which was done in one solid take. It should be obvious by now just how complicated an endeavor would have to be for Reptile Woman to have been hoaxed.

I hope people can see now that it's a LOT more than just following a girl around with a bad camera-phone.

REPTILIANS ARE REAL.

Archangel

[edelweiss pirate]

I hope people can see now that it's a LOT more than just following a girl around with a bad camera-phone.

That's exactly what it is Whogd.

Do you know this girl? How do you think she might be feeling that people on your website and the David Icke forum think she's a Reptilian?

We could get into trouble for this. This kind of thing could easily get the forum if not closed then ridiculed into non existence.

Why are people on this forum encouraging this?

It's strange that intelligent people could be so easily tricked into this.... Where does it end?

You could probably start accusing other forumers of being reptilians and the same people who believe a badly recorded video of some happy go lucky girl shows a morphing reptilian would easily believe you....

Anyway, the poll showed overwhelmingly that people don't believe the video shows a reptilian and also a camera and recording expert gave his informed opinion.... so hopefully this lunacy will end.

[woghd]

That's exactly what it is Archangel.

Lots of people say that as a pat explanation. There are many armchair debunkers out there. There is a reward for actual proof of the claim, and so far nobody has collected it.

Do you know this girl?

Yes. I've emailed her and spoken to her on the phone.
How do you think she might be feeling that people on your website and the David Icke forum think she's a Reptilian?

Personally, I think she considers herself a "good" reptilian, but I don't know for sure and don't want to put words into her mouth. If she wants us to know her thoughts, there is a standing offer for an interview, which she has suggested she may accept after her school semester. But it's up to her.

We could get into trouble for this. This kind of thing could easily get the forum if not closed then ridiculed into non existence.

Is the sky falling too? Don't we have enough drama in these forums without silly doomsday comments?

Why are people on this forum encouraging this?

Because some people are seeking the TRUTH rather than making unfounded and hysterical comments designed to frighten people into doing something stupid.

It's strange that intelligent people could be so easily tricked into this.... Where does it end? You could probably start accusing other forumers of being reptilians and the same people who believe a badly recorded video of some happy go lucky girl shows a morphing reptilian would easily believe you....

OK LISTEN, you've been cool up until now. But please do not make these kinds of inflamatory statements against me.
Anyway, the poll showed overwhelmingly that people don't believe the video shows a reptilian and also a camera and recording expert gave his informed opinion.... so hopefully this lunacy will end.
Um...I voted "I don't know" in that poll, and that was the category that came out on top, as it should have. Not that these polls are scientific or anything anyway. As far as experts go, there is still a $25,000 reward offered to anyone who can re-create the imagry in the video, so far all these experts with all their hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment, and all their studios, have been unable to collect it.

If you think the video is fake, PROVE it. So far all we have had are armchair debunkers talking a lot about their pet theories and explanations, and five actual attempts that failed so miserably that we are thinking about using them in a comedy video.

I respect your opinion. And I think deep in your heart you are a good person. But I must ask that you stop making personal attacks please. I've made none on you, please show me the same respect.

Be well.

Archangel

[edelweiss pirate]

I'm not making personal attacks WHOGD so please don't try to get the mods to ban me or give me points. 'kay. Like you do wth any one else who criticises your videos.

You're the one making horrendous personal attacks, on this poor girl.

And she's at school?

How far will you go Whogd... would you agree with the killing those YOU suspect of being reptilians?

I really think you should be banned Archangel you're a massive liability to this forum.

[woghd]

I'm not making personal attacks WHOGD so please don't try to get the mods to ban me or give me points. 'kay. Like you do wth any one else who criticises your videos.

You're the one making horrendous personal attacks, on this poor girl.

And she's at school?

How far will you go Whogd... would you agree with the killing those YOU suspect of being reptilians?

I really think you should be banned Archangel you're a massive liability to this forum.

I'm sorry you feel that way. ...and I'm afraid I can no longer respond to your taunts.
Be well.
Archangel

[tejas]

I'm not making personal attacks WHOGD so please don't try to get the mods to ban me or give me points. 'kay. Like you do wth any one else who criticises your videos.

You're the one making horrendous personal attacks, on this poor girl.

And she's at school?

How far will you go Whogd... would you agree with the killing those YOU suspect of being reptilians?

I really think you should be banned Archangel you're a massive liability to this forum.

How is this a horrendous personal attack on this girl? If the video shows that she is of a non-human species then that is all it shows.

And the idea of killing reptilians is insane, that is NOT how one would deal with this phenomenon. It is almost a CERTAINTY that not all reptiles are evil or against humankind in anyway.

[damagedbrainn]

How is this a horrendous personal attack on this girl? If the video shows that she is of a non-human species then that is all it shows.

And the idea of killing reptilians is insane, that is NOT how one would deal with this phenomenon. It is almost a CERTAINTY that not all reptiles are evil or against humankind in anyway.

Are you kidding? Attempting to associate someone with what some people believe are evil, child-murdering, blood-drinking, devil-worshiping, power-crazed monsters is not a personal attack?

What is the original title of the video again? "Reptile Woman/Demon Morphing". You're right. Clearly there is no implication of evil in that.

[woghd]

Are you kidding? Attempting to associate someone with what some people believe are evil, child-murdering, blood-drinking, devil-worshiping, power-crazed monsters is not a personal attack?

What is the original title of the video again? "Reptile Woman/Demon Morphing". You're right. Clearly there is no implication of evil in that.

This is all beside the point. If the woman has no problem with the video, then neither should anyone else. I suspect she believes herself to be a "good" reptilian, but it's up to her to say one way or the other. This whole idea that I am somehow doing something terrible to this woman is nothing more than yet another de-facto personal attack on me. She doesn't need nor desire anyone's "help".

So please quit accusing me of stuff.

Archangel

[edelweiss pirate]

The video shows only digital glitches due to very poor recording and rendering abilities of the camera phone recorder.

The balance of the world rests on the weight of your words.

[edelweiss pirate]

Are you kidding? Attempting to associate someone with what some people believe are evil, child-murdering, blood-drinking, devil-worshiping, power-crazed monsters is not a personal attack?

What is the original title of the video again? "Reptile Woman/Demon Morphing". You're right. Clearly there is no implication of evil in that.

In cyberspace you can't hear the applause but believe me DamagedBrain.. it's there...

[john white]

Repost here for the sake of efficiency:

It's your friends and associates who you openly acknowledge as being your accomplices on your website...

I really hope the mods see reason and ditch you quick smart.

I take on masons, provocateurs and anyone who I know who is trying to destroy our forum and our movement.

It's not personal.

Edelweiss

I've just come from the "911 movement steered" thread where you made this post:

You're all going crazy...

Follow the Shayler yellow brick road to la la land....

So how do you think they usually demolish buildings?

Please get a grip. There's no difference between 9-11 and a usual controlled demotion job using placed explosives and thermite.

Believe me, I know where you are coming from. And it seems to me that your objection there and your objection here are based on the same POV: that people are willfully embracing "disinformation"

Well I advance that view slightly, to "people willfully dis-inform themselves"

That isnt a comment on whether or not I think Woghd's videos are disinformation: Woghd himself seems quite certain to stick within the realms of "maybe" and "could be": its an idea to think about, and that is all

Your right, you do have experiance, and I know that you are putting your energy into objecting in these two areas for the best of reasons: but my advice to you is: we have to let go

There are sites aplenty dealing with 9/11 where all discussion of NPT is banned: there are sites where only discussion of NPT is allowed. there are sites where any discussion of reptilians is chased out of town: there are sites where reptillians are discussed as thoroughly as they can be

This site is a "big tent"; all discussion is allowed, providing it is not contrary to the essence of Ickes work (for example, racist) or smear attacks on Icke. the rules are very simple

The irony here, and I don't know if you can see it or not, is that in seeking to fight the masons, the illuminati, the NWO and all these different ways we have for understanding that darkness of will and ego, is that in order to do so, you see the only path as being controlling

Put as simply as I can put it: that is not what this forum is about

So I feel its important to be clear about what forum it is you think you are defending

this is an ideas and possibilities place: its not up to this forums admin to tell people what is and what is not possible, or what is or is not dis-information

I believe (and I admit, this is a belief) that the opportunity is there for experianced people (as I see you are) to post positively about the positive values that matter to them

Let the quality of your truth shine for what it is, and let what is "info" and what is "disinfo" speak for itself: it doesnt need to be spoken for

At least, not on this forum

I really dont think you are going to find any other mod, or forum advisor, or webmaster, who is going to see this any differently from this site, and I heartily recommmend you take that on board

9000 members is a lot of people needing the space and the options to work it out for themselves

Whilst I'm at it:

I'm not making personal attacks WHOGD so please don't try to get the mods to ban me or give me points. 'kay. Like you do wth any one else who criticises your videos.

You're the one making horrendous personal attacks, on this poor girl.

And she's at school?

How far will you go Whogd... would you agree with the killing those YOU suspect of being reptilians?

I really think you should be banned Archangel you're a massive liability to this forum.

I want to make this quite clear again that this forums moderation does NOT play favourites, I will remind all members (are you listening damaged Brain) that Woghd also recieved infraction points for his poor behaviour

And just becuase a few days has past, do not assume discussion in this section of the site can degenerate back into a personal insult slanging match: if that sort of thing is anyones bag, be adult and go get a room somewhere, illusions rant is quite good, or maybe **********

And there is no way that anyone is getting banned from this site on the basis of their opinion (racists and kiddie fanciers excepted): certainly not on whether or not a video shows reptillian eyes or not

[damagedbrainn]

Repost here for the sake of efficiency:



Whilst I'm at it:



I want to make this quite clear again that this forums moderation does NOT play favourites, I will remind all members (are you listening damaged Brain) that Woghd also recieved infraction points for his poor behaviour

And just becuase a few days has past, do not assume discussion in this section of the site can degenerate back into a personal insult slanging match: if that sort of thing is anyones bag, be adult and go get a room somewhere, illusions rant is quite good, or maybe **********

And there is no way that anyone is getting banned from this site on the basis of their opinion (racists and kiddie fanciers excepted): certainly not on whether or not a video shows reptillian eyes or not

You're completely full of it John. If you wanna keep handing out points to people for telling the truth, stating the obvious, and giving perfectly valid opinions, then go ahead....in the end it just makes you look bad.

I'm going to remind you and everyone else: You decided earlier this week that me and so-and-so were not allowed to speak to each other or explicitly of each other. You then informed so-and-so of this agreement, while not informing me or telling me that I was expected to leave him alone. So as soon as I say something to him, slap, 10 points to me for not honoring the agreement I wasn't aware existed.

Then you did a lot of blah blah blah about not playing favorites, and so-and-so was expected to follow the same rule for the next ten days. Well, since then, I've followed this rule.....He has not. And, as I pretty much expected, you've done next to nothing about it. I reported the reply above, just as you told me I should do, and instead of points being issued to him for not honoring your spur of the moment rule as would have been done to me, you send me this long PM full of vague, confused rambling, excuses, and paranoid nonsense about me and Edelweiss tag-teaming (working together) and implied that we're trying to get the Reptilian section of the forum removed.

Yet you still want to insist that you're not biased, you're not playing favorites, the same rules apply to everyone, and you're perfectly fair and blah-blah-bullshit. You can't even follow your own word so why the hell should I or anyone else. Get a fuckin' clue....this crap isn't gonna work. You're just pissing even more people off and making it worse.

[edelweiss pirate]

Wow... that's pretty messed up...

I'm trying to get the Reptilian part of the forum closed now?

Wow! That's the first I've heard of it.

And as for tag teaming with Damaged Brain.... funny thing is I've never in my life even sent this guy(?) a PM nor received one from him/her...

Mods can check that can't they?

That is really far out...

I can't believe that this is what that guy thinks... Listen, I'll be a mod if you're short... I've got a good head on my shoulders.

Shouldn't John White get points for this? Who moderates the moderators?

[john white]

And as for tag teaming with Damaged Brain.... funny thing is I've never in my life even sent this guy(?) a PM nor received one from him/her...


You said whilst posting immediately afterwards...

Right well we can't say the pair of you havnt had more than enough help and attention in an effort to resolve this without issuing further points

You've been told that members should aim to agree to disagree when they dispute

You've been told that agitating to remove another member from the forum simply becuase you have personal fears they are "disinfo" is not acceptable

You've been given plenty of latitiude but seem unable to get past the need to keep pushing the same points and flouting site rules about questioning site moderation on open threads

So this is how it goes: you get what you have attracted

I'll hear no complaints that receiving moderation decisions against you isnt what you want, becuase the facts are self evident and well established

10 points for damaged brain as hes obviously learned nothing whatsever

3 points for Edelweiss to give him more time to get a fresh perspective on his position (though I could certainly choose to issue more based on his behaviour today alone)

[edelweiss pirate]

YAY I got three points from the mad wizzard!

[john white]

YAY I got three points from the mad wizzard!

Recent claims by yourself to be "more advanced" and "have it all worked out" are not looking so strong when you are so easily ruled by your impulses Edelweiss

Its your choice: you can take a step back chill out and get a fresh perespective on things, or you can give in to the impulsive desire for gestures and walk yourself further out the door

But if you actually reckon you can bend this forum to your will with a futile display, it does not seem likely that you will end up able to feel satisfied