ID card scheme 'to cost £5.6bn' - We've won!!!

[matrixcutter]

Thursday, 8 November 2007

ID card scheme 'to cost £5.6bn'

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41345000/jpg/_41345542_id2.jpg
Ministers say the cards will help protect people against ID fraud

The projected cost of the identity card scheme will be £5.612bn over the next 10 years, the Home Office says.

The cost figures, which are for October 2007 to October 2017, cover set up and the operational expenses of the scheme.

The scheme will require all foreign nationals to carry biometric ID cards from 2008 and from 2010 all UK passport applicants will be issued with them.

Under the Identity Card Act, the government must give figures on the costs twice a year.

The Home Office says that "greater understanding of the work required and current experience of the Identity and Passport Service" had led to a change to the assumptions made on likely costs.

Lower estimate

The first change is an £85m cut because of a reduction in the forecasts for numbers of passports needed over the next decade "due to customers delaying passport renewals".

The second change is a cut in the estimated cost of producing and delivering "passports and identity cards containing a fingerprint biometric of £100m".

"The Home Office is keeping billions off the true cost of the scheme."
Phil Booth, No2ID

These reductions mean that the estimated cost of the identity card scheme for the 10 years from October is lower than the £5.75bn given in May.

However, when those new assumptions on likely costs are applied to the figures given in May, it shows that the rolling ten year cost of the cards scheme has increased by £71m on six months earlier.

The Home Office said this was a result of the period including six more months - April to October 2017 - when there would be a fully operational ID cards scheme.

But Phil Booth, of the anti-identity card group No2ID, said the Home Office had already admitted there were "considerable uncertainties" in its estimates.

He added: "The conveniently sliding budget looks only to the rosiest future, and fails to acknowledge the biggest black hole of all, compulsory interrogation of the entire adult population.

"With all those costs borne by the citizen, the Home Office is keeping billions off the true cost of the scheme."

[baron von lotsov]

No, what is actually happening is Gordon Brown is commissioning a report on the feasibility of the scheme instead of going ahead as planned in 2008. This will give him the option of pulling out as Whitehall said they were planning to do. It means it keeps the heat of the turd because he is in political shit at the moment.

This paper is leftwing and gives you an idea what Labour's own supporters think of him, read the comments!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2206418,00.html

So I still think we have won but there is obviously still everything to play for after the party are denying they are going to scrap them. Tell me what you think we should do now.

[matrixcutter]

No, what is actually happening is Gordon Brown is commissioning a report on the feasibility of the scheme instead of going ahead as planned in 2008.
The other day you appeared to be saying that we already know that they are going to scrapped indefinitely.


So I still think we have won but there is obviously still everything to play for after the party are denying they are going to scrap them.
Either we've won, or there's still "everything to play for". They can't both be true. That was really my point, as you probably know.


Tell me what you think we should do now.
Why, so you can disagree and we can both end up with naughty points?
I think the ID cards are a done deal, you don't. Either way, people like you are helping the overall (waking people up) situation immensely, except when you tell people that we've already won.

I am going to concentrate on the microchip implants, and the brain chips. If they successfully implement the brain chip, it is essentially game over. We have a few years left to make sure they don't. As you pointed out the other day, the ID card is a stepping stone towards that, which is why I think it is already a done deal. To argue that Brown would jeopardise anything that important to the real powers that be and their real agenda just to save his largely irrelevant political career is ludicrously naive. Do you honestly believe that horseshit?

[baron von lotsov]

You contradict yourself. You say you are doing something to stop microchips but then you tell me that anything we do is not going to stop the one in power doing the agenda. The fact is that if Brown looses power over this then the Tories will cancel it. I mean we could see Cameron do one mighty u-turn the moment he steps into Downing Street but if he does it's game over for the system.

You see they will not do anything for us unless they are forced to. We work on the principle at NO2ID that force is the only way. Everything we do is to force the government, we never plead to them, this pleading kind of protest is what the PTB set up with organisations like Greenpiece. We don't do silly protests all dressed up as idiots either; we instead try and convince the ones who hold the power for the elite.

We have been working on everyone. We have the press behind us; we have the majority of the people in the country as well. We are now managing to go for the tough targets. The computer industry itself is starting to listen to us, Computer Weekly; the main industry rag is supporting us in fighting for release of a crucial government report in the High Court. We are working on the Labour Party itself and making inroads. They are the few that still support it and then of course there is the BBC. We are on to them as well now, e.g. Nick Clegg on Radio 2 today. So it looks like the ID campaign is soaring ahead and no one is talking about microchips. There will be no microchips if they screw up ID cards and it is really hanging by a thread, whatever the BBC article you quote tells us.

[baron von lotsov]

Here, this guy is one of those industry pundits working for the system. He's not manically against ID cards or anything but here we see him hint to the rest of them about not expecting to make as much money as they had thought they were going to make. So little by little we can chip away at mighty blocks like this one.

Don't you see that if you win these kinds of people over with rational debate then their opinion is forever changed. It's a chipping away exercise. If the normal people are 50% against the IT industry is 10% against but when 90% of people are against the percentage is also pushed up in the industry. Opinion is fed from the ground up. People who are middle management are pretty worried about it now and on it will go until the man who reports directly to them says we can't do it.


http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/when-IT-meets-politics/2007/11/big-bang-is-dead-christmas-has-1.html

[king]

all that crap with new ID cards, microchips and other tracking devices is telling you something.

those fuck3rZ are afraid of something, something so big that they would have to know WHO you are and WHERE you are.

if you had a total control of your subjects -- why would you need additional "security measures" ?


something BIG is coming down that makes those mofos in governments really, really afraid.
because, once that happens -- they will be as good as "useless eaters" to those above them.

i think that that is the main reason those fuck3rz are pushing this ID crap. After all, they had the technology in 60's and 70's to track the people down, why push it now? Maybe because there was a slim, if any possibility of mass awakening?

just think of how many "cell towers" and tetra towers are erected nowadays, and these are always to be found in places where there could be large congregation of the people; schools, hospitals, dense neighborhoods and even next large office buildings. and, many of these "cell towers" have also cameras and backup wireless links installed.
And... now they are doubling the amount of those in certain areas, almost as if something is not working as it should.

my point is that something big is coming down, something that cannot be stopped and controllers are shiftlessly afraid of it. they seem to be loosing control.


awakening?
I'd bet my $ on it.

[baron von lotsov]

You are correct. This is even more evident in America with Ron Paul. They are saying the most stupid of things in the mainstream, even branding him a terrorist. You can clearly see how they think. He is a terrorist as far as they are concerned, they are terrified out of their wits by him proving to them that he has the cash now to take them on. Likewise in the UK when both contenders for the country's third political power both say they will go to prison over it if they have to as they are refusing as well! So the BBC carries on as usual as if nothing were happening. Like the Orwell situation where the media constantly go on about the two powers fighting each other in the puppet show that they invented. Their puppets are dancing to our tune now.

[cruise4]

The New party took the government to court for Inconveniant Truth and won on 9 issues. Even if it slows them down I reckon opposition has to be tried. Remember 'most' aren't aware quite whats going on. This is NOT all a done deal, and everyone trying is to be encouraged.

Unless its all distraction and really we should be sat on a pole meditating !

[thirdwave]

of course they will keep pushing the ID card.... just because one battle has been won it does not mean the war has....

they will keep it in the picture.. but as has been proven the people can make a difference and they have their eyes open... which is a positive thing... and its that same reason their is not all our war in Iran at the moment..

[baron von lotsov]

Indeed their agenda is slowing down. We don't have ID cards at the moment, we don't have a war in Iran, and we have not yet signed up to the EU constitution and many other things. Things like their water fluoridation programme, their GM foods, their stupid windmills. On it goes, each project gets knocked back and knocked back a bit more. This is because the overall power equation is changing.

[baron von lotsov]

More news in from the frontline

BBC man

The BBC has given so much air time to anti ID cards and surveillance topics this week, that I wondered where the people are who dared to challenge on NO2ID, the BBC's autonomy and independence from government.


That was directed at me incidentally! (plus a few others)

Results:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/freethinking/2007/polls/event02/

Professor Phil Redmond, founder of Mersey TV and writer and producer of some of British television's most influential drama, is today one of Liverpool's leading voices on the city's creative, media and technological future. He launches Free Thinking 07 with a personal and wide-ranging exploration of the competing political and cultural forces redefining our personal identities: "Whose Identity is it Anyway?"


Preview on blogg

http://www.computing.co.uk/itweek/comment/2168324/technology-own-sake


Next: Scandal from the BBC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/moneybox/7076106.stm

[baron von lotsov]

Another nice shot at the system here


Peer 'ready to defy ID card law'

Baroness Williams says she will not co-operate with the scheme
The Liberal Democrat peer Baroness Williams has said she would rather go to prison than carry an identity card.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7088315.stm

[baron von lotsov]

And we are winning, aren't we?

I suppose that isn't news.

[logic bomb]

So if my old skool passport expires in 2016 I shouldn't be forced to have an ID card until 2016/2017. I wonder what the world will be like in 10 years? 2012 will be probably a distant memory filed off with the Y2K joke and we'll all be jaded, not taking any date seriously that comes our way anymore LOL

lb

[baron von lotsov]

More bad news for the ID card people.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=492861&in_page_id=1770