Sex = the thing that makes us human.

[lauren_almighty]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"

Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?

[phemohilia]

Well, as long as we're trapped in these human bodies that's all we CAN do Laur!!! ;)

[thedefender]

A good observation. I think human experiences help the individual grow spiritually. And that can often be shared with a loved one because together through our human experiences we can grow together in Consiousness.

[andyh]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"
Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?

Well yeah but I don't recall David having said that we have to practise celibacy :D

[itsaride]

Well sex is a spiritual thing. It gets two people to a higher plane of happiness and it connects people in deep ways. It's society that puts up rules about it to keep you from achieving those higher planes. It can also do some deep long lasting damage to people.It can be used as a weapon.

[les_paul_robot]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"
Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?
Icke says there are three types of people
-Red dress programs: like a rider-less carousel horse
-People with some consciousness: like a rider on a barely controllable horse
-Full consciousness people: in total command of the horse

The red dress programs are slaves to their DNA and body's impulses. As they probably still are Homo Sapien Sapiens then they are human.
In respect to what the character in The Matrix says, this is not how a machine would behave; robots don't have impulses or have a reptilian brain that can be appealed to through sex, fear and survival instincts.
People with a spirit inside however can override these instincts and strive to live better in harmony with the laws of the Universe. You and I would be in the upper band of the second category. People like the real human that the Jesus fiction was based on would be the third category, and probably some Tibetan monks etc.

[lauren_almighty]

Icke says there are three types of people
-Red dress programs: like a rider-less carousel horse
-People with some consciousness: like a rider on a barely controllable horse
-Full consciousness people: in total command of the horse

The red dress programs are slaves to their DNA and body's impulses. As they probably still are Homo Sapien Sapiens then they are human.
In respect to what the character in The Matrix says, this is not how a machine would behave; robots don't have impulses or have a reptilian brain that can be appealed to through sex, fear and survival instincts.
People with a spirit inside however can override these instincts and strive to live better in harmony with the laws of the Universe. You and I would be in the upper band of the second category. People like the real human that the Jesus fiction was based on would be the third category, and probably some Tibetan monks etc.

Yeah, I forgot he said that.

Is there really anything wrong with us giving in to our human desires though?

[lauren_almighty]

Well, as long as we're trapped in these human bodies that's all we CAN do Laur!!! ;)

It's the only thing that makes life worth living! ;)

[les_paul_robot]

Is there really anything wrong with us giving in to our human desires though? Yes there is.

[disorder2k8]

Yes there is.

dont listen to the prudes.

whatever we do with fully consenting adults is perfectly normal. Sex with the person you love and who loves you back is one of the best things you can do for free in this ever more closed off world.

[les_paul_robot]

dont listen to the prudes.

whatever we do with fully consenting adults is perfectly normal. Sex with the person you love and who loves you back is one of the best things you can do for free in this ever more closed off world.
lol
As long as it's consensual, yes.
Giving into desires can violate others otherwise.

[armoured_amazon]

*edited in case of lurkers*

[disorder2k8]

lol
As long as it's consensual, yes.
Giving into desires can violate others otherwise.

Well yah, we're not talking about rape here! even the thread title says 'sex' not forced sex :rolleyes:

[slang]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

What do you mean by that, 'she was there because the characters were effeminate'. Are you saying Neo and Morpheus are effeminate characters?

I don't think that was the Wachowski brothers intention at all. Yeah the matrix is art, it's open to interpretation. But the writers knew what they meant when they wrote it, and if you want to know the meaning behind it... best watch some interviews/commentaries with the wachoski brothers.

The woman in red served as a distraction to teach neo his lesson... that anyone unplugged from the matrix is a potential agent. It's not really that complicated. I mean damn, the movies not scripture. It wasn't translated from a thousand year old scroll is was written by two americans.

[blackstar76]

No sex is not what makes us human. Animals have sex too. But it is are biggest weakness. In comes in a close second to money as a souce of evil and the route cause of most of societies problems. We are focused on it way too much. The more you get the more you want. Then you get bored of it and have to find a way to intensify the satisfaction. People are fucking around on each other left and right. People paying for it. People playing power to get it.People taking it without asking. Using other people to get it.We are consumed by sex as much as the almighty dollar.

It is fun no doubt. The ulitmate pleasure. Too bad it got distorted in order to make money. We are a society of perverts. Myself included although I try to fight it. Well recently no need to fight cause my desire is nill. But I found that over the years it does take higher doses of taboo type stuff to give you the same level of arousal. I remember when I first saw breast. My cock got rock hard. Now days when I see breast I am critiquing them over getting arousal. I get turned on now by women in PVC,costumes,dominatrixs,S and M. Role play. Fantasies about the nurse, or secretary. Kinky and probally twisted stuff. My sexual desires are for sure in conflict with my heart desires.
It's like the women I could fall in love with I don't want to fuck. And the women I want to fuck I can't fall in love with. I am mess:D and rambling on again.:D

[ragnarok]

An orgasm, put at its simplest, is just a drug-rush. Anyone who chases the experience is an addict, or at least, unhealthily dependent on that rush. Unless the sexual acts that bring about said orgasm/s are carried out with "Love", honesty and mutual respect, it is no more than masturbation using "fancier gadgets".

Now, I'm not saying that masturbation is harmful - if that was the case, I'd have been in a hospital bed throughout my teens :D - but, when a large portion of your existence revolves around getting your next wank and achieving your latest high, you are missing out on a great big part of the human experience, and devaluing one of nature's greatest gifts.

[size_of_light]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"

Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?

What are you doing next Friday night?

[seanx]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"

Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?


How does that contradict what icke is saying?


We are here to fully experience and enjoy physical reality. All Icke
is saying is that this is not the only reality.

We can FULLY enjoy not only the physical reality but at the same
time also the incredible mutli-dimensional reality which exists all around
us too.

You are mixing up Icke's ideas with the nonsesne ideas of organized
religion.

[seanx]

Yeah, I forgot he said that.

Is there really anything wrong with us giving in to our human desires though?

Where did you get the idea there was??

[getmeout]

Well you still have to ponder on sex and why it is being used the way it is today. Look at your ideas about it and what media portrays.

It's not about good or bad. I don't mean to sound like prude but it's just that the way we look at it today (especially our young generation) is not healthy for us.

About giving in the human desires, i think the worst part is any shame related to sex and that is not natural so that would probably be good to get rid of.

I think it is something something like 90% of all neurosis is related to sex in some way according to jung.. so you see how we 'fucked up' here.

If you give in to overeating it is the same thing, it will have effects. But nobody ever told you about why it is.

[getmeout]

An orgasm, put at its simplest, is just a drug-rush.

This.

And thats why it's so powerful in controlling people. Or just put a pair of boobs next to your product, apparently it sells..

[quetzalcoatl]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"

Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?

So ya gotta 'deny your humanity' / base-instinct desires, 'not check-out the women' / refrain from sex & the agent will suddenly leave ya alone / 'not cap dat ass'?? - it can't be that simple...

Yet it prolly make some sense, if everyone didn't wana have their cake & eat it too...

[lauren_almighty]

What do you mean by that, 'she was there because the characters were effeminate'. Are you saying Neo and Morpheus are effeminate characters?

I don't think that was the Wachowski brothers intention at all. Yeah the matrix is art, it's open to interpretation. But the writers knew what they meant when they wrote it, and if you want to know the meaning behind it... best watch some interviews/commentaries with the wachoski brothers.

The woman in red served as a distraction to teach neo his lesson... that anyone unplugged from the matrix is a potential agent. It's not really that complicated. I mean damn, the movies not scripture. It wasn't translated from a thousand year old scroll is was written by two americans.

Haha, somebody told me that the film is gay and they linked me to a website that shows that some scenes were made to be homoerotic. I don't believe that but it got me thinking about what the woman in the red dress represented and why it was wrong for Neo to be attracted to her.

[lauren_almighty]

Where did you get the idea there was??

Well I've read Icke books and have watched stuff where he talks about letting go of the 5 sense reality. I know that he tries to awaken people to realise that they are infinite consciousness and are much more than their human bodies. However, I get the impression from Icke that a person who doesn't indulge in such things are more superior because they are more spiritual.

[gallifrey]

I question the statement sex=the thing that makes us human.

But my only supporting evidence is that it has been postulated that Dolphins masturbate and in an unbalanced ecosystem homosexuality has been observed in rats and rabbits.

I think our TREATMENT of sex might set us apart, but not the underlying love/lust/chemical reactions and acts.

I think the only other thing that sets us apart from the animals in this respect is the fact that some people have fetishes, a few of whom are unable to gain sexual pleasure without indulging in said fetishes. Though I suspect this to be a psychological barrier.

Sex is meant to be pleasurable though, why do it otherwise? It simply fulfills a biological imperative, which over the years has become entwined, rightly or wrongly, in concepts of 'love', 'lust', relationships, etc. It is this treatment of sex which makes us human.

[armoured_amazon]

Well I've read Icke books and have watched stuff where he talks about letting go of the 5 sense reality. I know that he tries to awaken people to realise that they are infinite consciousness and are much more than their human bodies. However, I get the impression from Icke that a person who doesn't indulge in such things are more superior because they are more spiritual.

I think sometimes it's useful not to have sex (and sometimes it's useful to haha). One can focus on the inner path without distractions of the outer path. :)

[seanx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnarok
An orgasm, put at its simplest, is just a drug-rush.

You're way off the mark here.

William Reich was convinced the god force is to be found in the
orgasm.

And consider this: everyone who is born is the result of at least
one orgasm.

0rganized religion has done it's best to hide the real truth of the
orgasm.

it seems you've fallen for it's misinformation!

[size_of_light]

You're way off the mark here.

William Reich was convinced the god force is to be found in the
orgasm.

And consider this: everyone who is born is the result of at least
one orgasm.

0rganized religion has done it's best to hide the real truth of the
orgasm.

it seems you've fallen for it's misinformation!

There's the genital-sneeze type orgasm and then there's the explosion of energy that bursts up through your spine like a cocked-shotgun blast.

...Mum was none too happy when she had to re-paint the ceiling. :o

[ragnarok]

You're way off the mark here.

William Reich was convinced the god force is to be found in the
orgasm.

And consider this: everyone who is born is the result of at least
one orgasm.

0rganized religion has done it's best to hide the real truth of the
orgasm.

it seems you've fallen for it's misinformation!

Wilhelm Reich had a lot of funny ideas.

Some considerable intelligence there, but nutty as a Picnic.

Here is a picture of a Picnic, thus invalidating your entire argument.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Picnic_chocolate.jpg/250px-Picnic_chocolate.jpg

[ellis_deatrip]

What do you mean by that, 'she was there because the characters were effeminate'. Are you saying Neo and Morpheus are effeminate characters?

I think They were both gay and the blue pill and the red pill were both Roofies. Whichever one Neo took,He blacks-out and Morpheous butt-rapes him. Of course they don't show that in the movie. But they do seem to have a thing together. :D
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j100/yoshi667/2e53atz.jpg

About the Lady in Red (http://thegodproof.com/), though
The ‘Lady in Red’: Symbol for change, the ‘New World Order’, a ‘One World Government’.

The strategy behind the NWO is to take the parents out of the home by destroying the morals and ethics of a society. Look around. It has happened!

Then they can create an economy where citizens are dependant on the Government for survival.

This generational program started after 1959, as predicted in the movie, ‘42nd Street’. We saw the drug culture sprout up and then the women’s movement. All of which enticed people to focus on the individual instead of the family.

The ‘Lady in Red’ is also used by the elite as a calling card for an assassination to be carried out.

Movie: 42nd Street

The ‘Public Enemy’ era (1931 – 1935) was dominated by the likes of John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde and many others. This “crime wave” led to the development of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

These criminals were used as puppets by the Government to create chaos that allowed the FBI to be created. The FBI supersedes local law enforcement and allowed the Government to enact more intrusive means of keeping tabs on people. Such as wiretapping, surveillance, etc.

Once the Government had the system in place, they no longer needed the likes of Dillinger and he was sacrificed to hide the real truth.

The ‘Lady in Red’ was used to signal the other elite that the mission was a success.

Friday, November 22, 1963: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

Jack White: J.F.K. researcher. Dissected and proved that the Zapruder film was tampered with and re-edited. In the documentary, notice the ‘Lady in Red’, symbolizing once again, that the mission was a success.

Notice again that the ‘Lady in Red’ was standing right in plain sight of the assassination.

Following the assassination of President John. F. Kennedy, more than 100 witnesses, investigators and other people linked to the ambush in Dealey Plaza, have met with extremely suspicious deaths.

[phemohilia]

Wilhelm Reich had a lot of funny ideas.

Some considerable intelligence there, but nutty as a Picnic.

Here is a picture of a Picnic, thus invalidating your entire argument.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Picnic_chocolate.jpg/250px-Picnic_chocolate.jpg



Johnny Cochran is spinning in his grave!!! :eek:

[ragnarok]

Johnny Cochran is spinning in his grave!!! :eek:

I've stunned a few prosecutions and juries with this defence. It's difficult to argue against without resorting to contempt of court.

[spoons]

Or just put a pair of boobs next to your product, apparently it sells..

Which pare of politicians should we choose? :D





Now here's irony. It my watching of the same film that started this thread that led me here tonight.

[energi]

Haha, somebody told me that the film is gay and they linked me to a website that shows that some scenes were made to be homoerotic. I don't believe that but it got me thinking about what the woman in the red dress represented and why it was wrong for Neo to be attracted to her.

...

WHAT? LOL :D

I demand to see that link, pmsl'ing here (it's 1-30 am)

[ellis_deatrip]

...

WHAT? LOL :D

I demand to see that link, pmsl'ing here (it's 1-30 am)
Might find something in this documentary:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=121094

[disorder2k8]

Hey do you know what would solve the problem? Its the same thing as would help to fix every other problem in the world. First adults have to get off their asses and stop complaining, then they have to pay attention to what their kid does. Anyone who has kids and still complains while not doing anything about it, is a complete twat.

[asleepawake]

Sex as we know it, isn't usually performed in a ''pure'' sense by many anymore. It is littered with filth, and thats what we've been programmed to turn us on sexually.

When you make love you know about it.

[armoured_amazon]

Sex as we know it, isn't usually performed in a ''pure'' sense by many anymore. It is littered with filth, and thats what we've been programmed to turn us on sexually.

When you make love you know about it.

Agreed. :)

Not through want of trying, many of us will never know love, so we can either make do with what we can get or do without altogether. I pass through phases.

[asleepawake]

I go through certain phases to. What can you do, we are bombarded with it from day one. Sometimes its fun to just give in and get wild. Sometimes it feels more right to be a bit more sensual lol.

[blackstar76]

I go through certain phases to. What can you do, we are bombarded with it from day one. Sometimes its fun to just give in and get wild. Sometimes it feels more right to be a bit more sensual lol.

True. Fucking a whore feels good till after you cum. Then you want her gone. Having sex with someone you love just feels better afterwards. You want to cuddle up with them after sex. We are for sure brainwashed into liking filth.

[armoured_amazon]

True. Fucking a whore feels good till after you cum. Then you want her gone. Having sex with someone you love just feels better afterwards. You want to cuddle up with them after sex. We are for sure brainwashed into liking filth.

I've never been in love, so I mostly want them gone asap lmao

[blackstar76]

I've never been in love, so I mostly want them gone asap lmao

I've been in love in a couple of times but found out later they were whores.lol. Don't give up hope. Some people find true love later in life. I need to follow my own advice as well.

[armoured_amazon]

I've been in love in a couple of times but found out later they were whores.lol. Don't give up hope. Some people find true love later in life. I need to follow my own advice as well.

LOL whores :D

I'm concerned that I won't recognise it. :confused:

[blackstar76]

LOL whores :D

I'm concerned that I won't recognise it. :confused:

You will recognise it. It's when you are with someone and they make you feel better. They make you laugh and cheer you up when you are down. It's like a happy pill. Positive energy. Unfortantly even most married people are not truely in love. They are attracted to looks,status,popularity,money etc etc. Thats why the divorce rate is so high because things things fade fast.

True love is rare so I won't be overly disapointed if I never find it. Thats not the only reason we are here if there is a reason. If we really are creators then we probally have created our perfect partner on the other side. They are probally warming up the hot tub as we speak.:D

[ragnarok]

I need to follow my own advice as well.

What you need to do is stop calling women "whores" - unless you were their pimp, in which case, I apologise!

[armoured_amazon]

You will recognise it. It's when you are with someone and they make you feel better. They make you laugh and cheer you up when you are down. It's like a happy pill. Positive energy. Unfortantly even most married people are not truely in love. They are attracted to looks,status,popularity,money etc etc. Thats why the divorce rate is so high because things things fade fast.

Well, I've had that laughing and being cheered up and happy, positive energy, while they've been shagging round behind my back, or cheating with my best friend, or have a wife or girlfriend stashed somewhere, so I will never trust a thing anyone says as long as I live, if they come into my life in a romantic way.

I've recently realised having superficial fun isn't so bad; it saves being miserable all the time :p

True love is rare so I won't be overly disapointed if I never find it. Thats not the only reason we are here if there is a reason. If we really are creators then we probally have created our perfect partner on the other side. They are probally warming up the hot tub as we speak.:D

I'll be disappointed but unsurprised. I met my twin soul in 2005 and he died this year, and we never got the chance to get together, for various reasons. :mad:

[blackstar76]

What you need to do is stop calling women "whores" - unless you were their pimp, in which case, I apologise!

I call it like I see it and tell it like it is. I don't bother to sugar coat the truth. I should probally use slut instead of whore since no money was exchanged. They do exist my friend.

[ragnarok]

I'll bow to your vaster experience on the matter then.

[seanx]

Wilhelm Reich had a lot of funny ideas.

Some considerable intelligence there, but nutty as a Picnic.

Here is a picture of a Picnic, thus invalidating your entire argument.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ee/Picnic_chocolate.jpg/250px-Picnic_chocolate.jpg

What a braindead response.

[ragnarok]

What a braindead response.

What, so you disagree he had some 'funny' beliefs? Someone else has saved me a lot of typing.

Wilhelm Reich was the certified nut case who joined a mutilated Freudianism with a mutilated Marxism to create the kooky idea that the evils of society are attributable to sexual repression in the service of capitalist exploitation, the cure for which is more and better orgasms --a form of "therapy" that the good Doctor Reich generously provided many of his female patients. His views having been rejected by orthodox Freudians and Marxists, a discouraged Reich went on to discover "orgone energy" and invent "bion theory," which were rejected by the physicists and biologists. Despite these setbacks, Reich had a popular following in the twenties and thirties, and then again in the sixties and seventies, among the sexually discontented and the politically disaffected.

and

I would put it differently: Reich was a lunatic of whom sane and sensible people wanted, and should still want, no part.

http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?id=1988&type=book&cn=10

Finally.
Reich differed from his mentor in claiming that all neuroses are misdirected ventings of bottled up energy caused by genital frustrations and needing release in orgasms.

I rest my case.

[lauren_almighty]

I've never been in love, so I mostly want them gone asap lmao

LOL whores :D

I'm concerned that I won't recognise it. :confused:

Me too. It's the same for me with both the things you said.

[armoured_amazon]

Me too. It's the same for me with both the things you said.

Scary and a tad depressing isn't it lol x

[disorder2k8]

I dont fall in love as such, although I do get very smitten with the person I care about.

[lauren_almighty]

I dont fall in love as such, although I do get very smitten with the person I care about.

I think with my head rather than my heart. I think it is impossible for me to fall in love. But I'm not sure.

[armoured_amazon]

I think with my head rather than my heart. I think it is impossible for me to fall in love. But I'm not sure.

+1

I'm too cynical. But I've just learned how to have fun again :D

edit: Or rather, I think with my heart, but have learned to rein it in, like an unruly stallion.

[seanx]

What, so you disagree he had some 'funny' beliefs? Someone else has saved me a lot of typing.



and



http://www.mentalhelp.net/poc/view_doc.php?id=1988&type=book&cn=10

Finally.


I rest my case.

Sure, mate the Establisment regarded him as a nutter - so then he
MUST be a nutter!!

Ever read what the same establishment wrote about icke's ideas??

Even you, dear God were born from at least one orgasm.

No orgasm and you would not have been born.

If you think orgsam is just some form of drug, no more no less, you must
be some sort of depressed virgin.

[deca]

again its part of being human to self replicate all life does this animals,plants, even bactearia etc...its a big driving force behind life we would die out if we did not...

I was thinking this the other day do the borg have sex?

again I think a lot off people look down on sex as its a rather primal powerful in built drive , A lot off people what to surrpres and control it , but understanding yourself and enjoying your body and your lower brain fuctions and higher ones and getting a balance is probadly best

yeah whats wrong with living in five senses ...think about it touch,smell,sight,hearing,taste and lets face it these are hieghten during sex and why not....

and hay I am easy I don`t mind having a deep meaning full converstion ect...then taken you into the bedroom and bonking your brains out :D

to me its not the case of one or the other but getting your personal balance right and enjoying understand yourself

my view is if it brings you or somebody else pleasure and does not cause harm ether physically or psychology then screw what others think.
obvously this goes out with saying being consensually and from sombody mature enough to understand

again society and culture tries to enforce whats normal and acceptable and yes there are things that should be stopped and discoraged I am not disagreeing with that but sometime they push this to far ...think most people have a understanding of whats wright and wrong and whats unnatural .

again its the one or the other mentallity using extreme examples to push thier agenda

[seanx]

Sex and the Ascension
From Cal Garrison

It was Wilhelm Reich who told us that all the problems in the world are genitally based. That he managed to prove it didn't go over too well with the powers that be. After they incarcerated him for blowing the lid off the function of the orgasm, in 1956, in one of the worst cases of governmentally sanctioned censorship in history, several tons of Reich's publications were burned by the FDA. Less than a year later the free-energy genius died in the Lewisburg PA. Penitentiary of what many claim was an artificially engineered heart attack.

When you look at what's left of his research, it's hard to figure out why they went to such great lengths to suppress it. Reich's discoveries revealed quite simply that the God Force is held in the orgasm, and that our relationship to it, and our sexuality has been distorted by artificial religious and cultural belief patterns that prevent us from accessing that aspect of ourselves.
According to Reich, the sexual/spiritual connection disappeared when the church put a lock on our genitals. As a result, what we call our lesser urges have been diverted into channels that are filled with frustration, violence, pornography, pedophilia, and/or the more benign but equally perverse manifestation of no sex at all.

Someone please tell me; why would coming up with the theory that sex serves a spiritual purpose invite a prison sentence, a massive book burning, and a visit from murder incorporated? If God can be found in an orgasm, why have we been sold the notion that the act of making love is sinful, dirty, bad, and/or the work of the Devil? What is it about sex that caused the powers that be to destroy the man who resurrected its secrets and why are those secrets important to us now?

Before we can talk about sex and its relationship to the ascension process we need to erase the blackboard and 86 everything we've been told; original sin, guilt and shame, only for procreation; all of it. Those of us who think we got over that stuff ages ago may be better prepared for this conversation than a recovering Catholic or Born Again Christian, but keep an open mind. Like everything else in this world, there's always more to know about it, and the outer limits of the sexual sphere are certainly no exception.



If we haven't been completely sucked in by our religious programming there's a good chance that we enjoy sex and have a healthy relationship to that aspect of our lives. And unless we're involved in certain Tantric practices, when we have an orgasm, we release that energy into the universe without thinking too much about what it is or where it's going. For most of us, sexual ecstasy feels good, and that's all there is to it; but according to Drunvalo the orgasm is more than just a pleasant, physical sensation:

"Sex, and specifically the orgasm, is more than just something that feels good and allows procreation. There are many other functions, such as the release of dysfunctional energy within the body, which can help to keep one from becoming diseased. There is the function that opens the higher chakras, and under the right conditions allows a person to begin the process of enlightenment. And further, if two people, lovers, practice sacred sex, the entire experience can lead them together into higher consciousness and into worlds beyond this plane."

Who knew? If you're wondering why the Christian traditions are filled with precepts that tell us sex is Lucifer's domain, it's because for over 2000 years that belief system has been controlled by forces whose vested interests are more concerned with keeping humanity asleep than they are with turning us on to the truth.

When Wilhelm Reich rediscovered the function of the orgasm he wandered into classified territory, blowing the doors off one of the best kept secrets of all time. Underneath all the Christian admonitions, what we never knew about sex has deterred us from awakening to the fact that beyond serving as a release mechanism, it is one the best ways to connect with Spirit. The following quote tells us a little bit about what happens to our sexual energy when we don't work with it consciously:

"Most people in the world are ignorant about what happens to their sexual energy after they have an orgasm. Usually, the energy moves up the spine and out the top of the head directly into the eighth or the thirteenth chakra (Same chakra, different system). In a few rare cases, the sexual energy is released down the spine into the hidden center, below the feet, the point opposite the one above the head. In either case, the sexual energy — the concentrated life force energy called prana in Hinduism — is dissipated and lost. It is similar to discharging a battery into a ground wire. It is no longer in the battery and so it is gone forever. This is what all the Tantric systems that I am aware of believe, that orgasm brings one a little closer to death because a person loses his or her life-force energy in the orgasm and is made weaker. But the Egyptians found long ago that it does not have to be this way.

All of the ancient spiritual traditions have a Tantric component. Many of them instruct the male to avoid ejaculating. The Hindu, the Tibetan, and the Chinese Taoist Tantra systems all advise the male to withhold the orgasm in a way that moves the life force energy into the higher spiritual centers. The Egyptian Tantra system understood the orgasm to be both healthy and necessary and their way of approaching the sexual mysteries did not include having the male refrain from releasing his sperm.

Within that body of information is a practice that allows one to move the orgasm up the spine, out the back, over the head, and into the heart chakra, in a way that rejuvenates the body, mind, and spirit, and doesn't require the male to contain himself. Known as 'Ankhing' this method of experiencing orgasm returns the life force to the heart center and reinvigorates the Spirit. It was held by the Egyptians to be one of the keys to immortality.

The name of the practice derives from the symbol that we see so often we take it for granted. New Age emporiums are filled with jewelry and spiritual trinkets that capitalize on the power we give to the Ankh. Also known as the Egyptian Cross, the textbooks tell us it is the symbol for eternal life, but they fail to tell us why. When you dig deep enough to find out what it really meant to the ancient Egyptians, eventually you discover that the Ankh is the template for the channel that carries the orgasm up the spine and allows us to move that energy back into the body.

Like every other human feature, all of us come fully equipped with an Ankhing tube. When we become conscious of it and start to use it, it opens up. For those of you who wish to experiment with this practice, included here are the instructions for the Egyptian Orgasm. This information first appeared in an article that was written by Drunvalo for the April 2001 edition of the Spirit of Ma'at Magazine titled, "Ancient Egyptian Sexual Ankhing":

"INSTRUCTIONS FOR THE EGYPTIAN ORGASM"
"Here is exactly how to achieve the Ankhing associated with the human orgasm. Whatever you do sexually before the orgasm is completely up to you. I am not here to judge you — and definitely the Egyptians would not, since they believe in knowing all sixty-four sexual modes before you enter the King's Chamber to ascend to the next level of consciousness. This is their idea, but it is important to know that it is not necessary. You can reach the next level of consciousness without knowing this information. However, from their point of view, the idea of Ankhing is of paramount importance in achieving eternal life. You will have to decide for yourself if it is something you wish to practice.
1. The moment you feel the sexual energy about to rise up your spine, take a very deep breath, filling your lungs about 9/10's full; then hold your breath.
2. Allow the sexual energy of the orgasm to come up your spine. But at the moment it reaches the fifth chakra (Located just a couple of finger widths above the sternum), with your will power you must turn the flow of sexual energy 90 degrees out the back of the body. It will then automatically continue inside the Ankh tube. It will slowly turn until it passes through the eighth (Or thirteenth) chakra, one hand-length above the head at 90-degrees to the vertical. It will then continue to curve around until it returns to the fifth chakra, where it began, only this time in front of the body.
Even if you don't understand what was just said it will happen automatically if you get it started out the back of the body at the fifth chakra and it will automatically come back around to the front of the body and reconnect at the fifth chakra. You just have to make it turn 90 degrees so that it begins.
3. It will often slow down as it approaches the point of origin, the fifth chakra. If you can see the energy, it comes to a sharp point. When it approaches the fifth chakra from the front of the body there is sometimes a tremendous jolt as it reconnects with this chakra again. All this takes place while you are holding your first breath.
4. The instant the sexual energy reconnects with its source, the fifth chakra, take in the full breath. You had filled your lungs only 9/10's full, so now you fill your lungs as completely as you can.
5. Now exhale very slowly. The sexual energy will continue on around the Ankh channel as long as you are exhaling. When you reach the bottom of this breath, you will continue to breathe very deeply, but a change happens here.
6. It is here that, if you know the Light Body work of the Mer-Ka-Ba you would begin to breathe from the two poles using the Mer-Ka-Ba breathing (He is referring to the spherical breathing method that we outlined in the Unity Breath). But if you are like most people and don't know this work, then continue to breathe deeply until you feel the relaxation spread throughout your body. Then relax your breath to your normal rate. Feel every cell becoming rejuvenated by this life-force energy. Let this energy reach down into the deepest physical levels of your body structure even past the cellular level. Feel how this beautiful energy surrounds your very being and brings health to your body, mind, and heart.
7. Once the relaxation begins, slow your breath down to a normal shallow breathing.
8. If possible, allow yourself to relax or even sleep for a while afterward.
If you practice this for even one week, I believe you will more than understand. If you practice it continually, it will begin to give health and strength to your mental, emotional, and physical bodies. It will give great strength and power to your Light Body as well.
If for any reason this practice does not feel right, stop and return to normal. It just is not time…
…You can talk about it all day, but if you try it one time, you will understand. However, it is not easy to do it in one test. For the first few times, the sexual energy will often shoot out past the point of the 5th chakra and continue on up and out of the body. So it takes practice. Once it is learned, I doubt seriously if you would ever have an orgasm any other way. It's too powerful and it feels too good. Once your body remembers this experience, it is not likely to revert back to the old way."
WHERE WERE WE?
Why do we need to know this? What does it have to do with ascension?
We've talked about activating the Mer-Ka-Ba and how important it is to reconnect with the Light Body. By now we understand the importance of meditation and prayer as well. And it's easy to see why deepening the inner connection makes a difference because we know that the heart is the key to the ascension process. But no transformation is complete until we experience it at the cellular level and the Ankhing method of achieving orgasm awakens the God in our cells, allowing the physical vehicle to enlighten itself.
When every cell in the body is awake, it serves to support the wishes of the Spirit and opens the mind in ways that allow the consciousness to expand beyond its limits. It's as if the physical vehicle becomes an active participant in the process, or the embodiment of what we mean when we refer to it as 'The Temple of the Soul'. In restoring the life force energy to the heart center, the Ankhing practice keeps the body enlightened and able to hold the higher frequencies that get beamed into the heart and the mind whenever we go within.
Our preoccupation with sex never had a better excuse to turn its attention away from the programming that has kept it focused on everything but its ultimate purpose. I often wonder what would happen if everyone knew about the Ankhing method. What if, instead of draining the battery with every orgasm, we channeled that energy into our hearts? Would it make a difference? I know one thing; it would definitely make whatever's going on in the bedroom much more interesting.
Which gets us to another thing; the statistics indicate that our love making is on a down swing. With all the wholesale sex pouring out of the media you'd think the opposite would be true, but it isn't that way at all. Is this sexual ennui due to the fact that someone forgot to mention the spiritual component? Did it ever occur to us that there might be one? I have a feeling no one's in the bedroom because without that element pretty much everything loses its meaning.
This is what Wilhelm Reich meant when he said; it is our artificial belief constructs that prevent us from accessing the power inherent in the orgasm. Between religious injunctions that tell us sex is only permissible within the sanctity of marriage and the soft porn blaring off the movie screens, our sexual instincts are completely controlled by a system that has no interest in having anyone know the truth. If you think this is stretching it, ask yourself this; why do they tantalize us with hard core sex and leave us to live with the conflict that surfaces when we shut off the DVD player and have to wrestle with beliefs that make us feel guilty for even watching the show? Within this Catch 22 our head trips have us so confused about sex, unraveling its secrets would seem to be the only way out.
If the life force energy that is rightfully ours has been misappropriated by those who don't want us to connect with it, with the ascension process so near at hand could we take it upon ourselves to reclaim ownership of our Spirit and begin to work with our sexuality in a conscious way? Now that we know a little bit about the Egyptian Orgasm, hopefully we can use that information, along with the heart process, the Mer-Ka-Ba Meditation, the Unity Breath, and our desire to remember how to be alive in this world, as a network of mutually supportive practices that fine tune us for our entrance into the Age of Light.

[onourway]

I watched the Matrix movie the other night and it was brought to my attention that the woman in the red dress was there to be a tease. She was there because the characters were effeminate. I originally thought that she was there to represent sex and how humans had to break away from the five sense reality.

The character in the film who actually created the woman in the red dress said "To deny our impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human"

Alot of Icke's fans agree with most of what he says. However, that sentence contradicts Icke. If we are here as spiritual beings experiencing life as human beings, then why should we fight it? Shouldn't we accept ourselves as the humans as we are and live the human experience?

well....very interesting.....celtic rebel (celticrebebel.wordpress.com) addresses these issues as well
geez lauren.....yer on a roll.....first you were dissing David, then you were advocating testing on convicts and now this.... but I 'm not sure what this one's about exactly... but the Rebel refers to him as Keanu(s) .....so there
anyhow.....you would be a cool friend to have despite your David dissing

[lauren_almighty]

well....very interesting.....celtic rebel (celticrebebel.wordpress.com) addresses these issues as well
geez lauren.....yer on a roll.....first you were dissing David, then you were advocating testing on convicts and now this.... but I 'm not sure what this one's about exactly... but the Rebel refers to him as Keanu(s) .....so there
anyhow.....you would be a cool friend to have despite your David dissing

I actually appreciate David Icke and I have alot of respect for him. I just didn't agree with something so felt that I had to express my opinion on it and discuss it with his followers. I think if I was talking to people about it in person they probably would have been more understanding and paid more attention to me instead of getting defensive but it's hard when its written on a screen. I'm alright really. :)

I have read celtic rebel's blog in the past. I don't like his writing style much. He throws the word 'whore' around too often. :(

I would share that link about the matrix being "gay" but I can't for the life of me find it. I will have to ask the person who showed it me.

By the way, I never advocated testing on convicts. I'll admit when the idea popped into my head I thought it was a good one but I soon changed my mind once I gave it more thought. I just like to discuss controversial topics to shake the forum up a bit because it gets a bit boring sometimes. ;)

[armoured_amazon]

LOL @David dissing'. We are entitled to our own truths, not to blindly follow his. Keep the topics coming, Lauren! :)

[93krystalmoons]

Sex and the Ascension
From Cal Garrison

Nice material thanks for sharing. I did a lot of research for my senior thesis on the so called sexual revolution and porn. Sure porn could have been a great idea...the sexual revolution had it's wonderful feats, however both of these were manipulated into violent, hegemonic (in the male gaze usually), commodified sexualities. I personally applied to all the research I did last year, the idea of dark energies in connection with said constructed in your face sexuality. How are we not to be confused in these Aeons of Madonna-Whore Complexes? Like everything else, humanity needs to reclaim sexuality and orgasm. It's beneficial qualities have been abused by the porn industry, and groups like the Children of God. Many have lost touch with intimacy, in fact, I just read an article about how males (college age mostly) seem to be attracted to group masculinity that they enforce through sexual harassment and binge drinking (frat culture essentially)...and that when they seek actual relationships with women they don't know how to be intimate; all they can do is fuck and be awkward afterwards due to imposed social and sexual 'norms' by elites. If people in and around my age group continue this I fear love and intimacy could totally be expunged systematically (obviously, it is in progress!). Sex is beautiful in it's purest forms of love, pleasure and partnership and we must reclaim this. I understand David's views on senses, but we all have some kind if love organ and we should use them in healthy ways :D