Daily Star-Page 16-February 27th-2012-End Of World

[21_12_2012]

I just read this on page 16 of today's (27th February) Daily Star.

Armageddon outta here because...The World Will End On 21st December 2012

Don't make any long-term plans - the end of the world is coming in just FIVE years.
Global doomsday experts have delivered their most horror-laden predictions yet.
The bleak news that the world will end in exactly 2,125 days is backed up by an army of scientists, historians, mystics and religious experts.

DOOMED
They rekon a combination of global warming, nuclear war, earth quakes and supervolcanoes will wreak havoc and wipe out all life.
Code-crackers who have studied ancient texts, including The Bible, have pencilled in December 21, 2012, as the last day. Even modern academics think global warming could be a key factor to trigger catastrophe.
Lawrence E Joseph investigated a raft of mass extinction theories for his new book Apocalypse 2012.
He rekons all roads lead to the same doomed year.
He reasearched the work of scientists who fear the end of the world because the thinning ozone layer will prompt another ice age.
That would wipe out thousands of species by the time London is ready to host the olympics.
It would affect the earth's magnetic field, take away its defence from the Sun, disrupt the food chain and lead to a series of disasters.
Russian geophysicist Alexey Dmitriev said: "the global catastrophe - hurricanes, earthquakes and volcanoes synchronising and amplifying each other in a positive feedback loop that will spin out of control, threatening our civilisation - will probably happen in less than 10 years."
Some experts think the greatest threat is from supervolcanoes, like that in America's Yellowstone Park, which could blow at any time.
It would be equal to 1,000 Hiroshima bombs going off and would spark a permanent winter.

METEORS
Earthquakes are another huge threat because global warming has loosened the Earth's tectonic plates.
The Mayans, an ancient South American civilisation, believed human history would "start again" on December 21, 2012.
And, according to writer Michael Drosnin, secret meanings in the Bible's Book of Genesis reveal meteors will destroy the earth by 2012.
A 3,000-year-old Chinese prophecy claims the world will stop on December 22, 2012 - the day after the Mayan's prediction.

[tru3]

"Quote:
Originally Posted by janeway
I like this thread very much.
It is exactly what I am feeling for years now.
The modern slave-race. The rat-race.
Look at the movie (1983 !)

Koyaanisqatsi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Life out of balance...

Trough this forum I learned about Ian lungold
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...82369871751706 this was a much better presentation about the year 2012 than most of the information from Jose Arguelles.

That calander started 16 billion years ago and it ends in 2012; all about the evolution of consciousness. BTW the true meaning of the word Apocalyps is.... revelation! (Not big destruction as Hollywood would like you to think).
Than we are now living in the last 5 years of that 16 billion.
What if this is right? I can't let that go.
What do you want to do the last 5 years of that evolution?

What if 2013 comes and it is all the same?
For me that would be a big joke; I will laugh myself to the afterlife. "

Tip o' the crown chakra to janeway! :)

the google vid is the best info i have personally seen on the mayan calendar. Rather than feeding on fear and uncertainty, it is a positive message of transformation, imo.

A must see!

[joy division]

NAh, it is a load of bull just to keep the human mind ermmm, whats the word,, focused on this rather than the real shit going on infront of their eyes here and now.

[tru3]

NAh, it is a load of bull just to keep the human mind ermmm, whats the word,, focused on this rather than the real shit going on infront of their eyes here and now.


what if-- just what if-- it's really the other way around, joy? they want us to stay focused on the here and now, on all the stench and corruption, because then we'll never discover how powerful we really are.

we'll never win playing their game. just one man's opinion.

[john white]

Shared by another man :)

See the problem: yes: but then the real work begins: manifesting the solution

[edelweiss pirate]

It won't be the end of the world because the masons I've met tell me there's a 'new system' being devised for the planet... I think there may in fact be a 'new world order' which will play upon fears of an apocalypse and may even use solar activity as staging posts for various 'special events'. The way for example, 9-11 and 7-7 coincided with extremely high solar activity

To some extent some of the ideas of the New World Order seem fair, 'equality' for instance and a cashless society... it only gets scary when one talks to these people and they say that China will be the new superpower, I'm like, fuck! The first Chinese empreror actually established a law forbidding people to think, these people are NOT to be trusted with world control... anyway, it won't really be them, it'll be the same secret trans national government we've had this past 1000 years or so....

Paedophile mass murderers like George Bush hardly make the New World Order seem cool and groovy..... But it's weird how many lefties and new age people are involved.... I used to be a leftie myself, glad I realised in time where that train was heading all along.. NWO central..

[edelweiss pirate]

It won't be the end of the world because the masons I've met tell me there's a 'new system' being devised for the planet... I think there may in fact be a 'new world order' which will play upon fears of an apocalypse and may even use solar activity as staging posts for various 'special events'. The way for example, 9-11 and 7-7 coincided with extremely high solar activity

To some extent some of the ideas of the New World Order seem fair, 'equality' for instance and a cashless society... it only gets scary when one talks to these people and they say that China will be the new superpower, I'm like, fuck! The first Chinese empreror actually established a law forbidding people to think, these people are NOT to be trusted with world control... anyway, it won't really be them, it'll be the same secret trans national government we've had this past 1000 years or so....

Paedophile mass murderers like George Bush hardly make the New World Order seem cool and groovy..... But it's weird how many lefties and new age people are involved.... I used to be a leftie myself, glad I realised in time where that train was heading in time.. NWO central..

[21_12_2012]

It won't be the end of the world because the masons I've met tell me there's a 'new system' being devised for the planet... I think there may in fact be a 'new world order' which will play upon fears of an apocalypse and may even use solar activity as staging posts for various 'special events'. The way for example, 9-11 and 7-7 coincided with extremely high solar activity

To some extent some of the ideas of the New World Order seem fair, 'equality' for instance and a cashless society... it only gets scary when one talks to these people and they say that China will be the new superpower, I'm like, fuck! The first Chinese empreror actually established a law forbidding people to think, these people are NOT to be trusted with world control... anyway, it won't really be them, it'll be the same secret trans national government we've had this past 1000 years or so....

Paedophile mass murderers like George Bush hardly make the New World Order seem cool and groovy..... But it's weird how many lefties and new age people are involved.... I used to be a leftie myself, glad I realised in time where that train was heading in time.. NWO central..

I hardly think masons will actually know about the 'evolution of consciousness'....the Mayan Calendar.....and who or what will be the 'next superpower'....or indeed even if any of us will be around after 2012 to BE a superpower !
The fact is that NOBODY can say for sure what will happen on 21_12_2012, least of all the masons !
What is for certain is that the sun is heating up due to it's position in the galactic procession, and this is increasing rapidly, which is why we are lied to more and more about global warming on a daily basis.
The 'powers that be' know that the sun is heating up, but i bet they do NOT know to what extent this will occur, and how many disasters it will produce, and where we actually progress from there.
I would tend to agree with the Mayans...end of our time (whether that means this 3d existence or end of life itself) = 21st December 2012...the masons like to think they know what's going on...but basically they are repeaters...they know what they are supposed to know...and nothing else.

[edelweiss pirate]

You hardly think masons would know about the evolution of consciousness?

My dear, that's exactly what they're dreaming about... Only it isn't quite how it is painted by the new age...

What they dream of is mass luciferic illumination (evolution of consciousness)... You will find that many of the symptoms of your so called evolution of consciousness coincide with the symptoms of schizophrenia which in term coincide with the symptoms of illumination.

I've tried 'evolution of consciousness'.. it's a nice idea but take a look at the world... how long could a perfect evolved soul last here in this toxic world?

They don't... they go insane and and get sucked into a secret society who can protect them...

Research is all very well but focus on personal experience. That's always best. The you know what you're talking about.

Last word.. The masons know A hell of a lot... I'll never take that away from them. Heard of X men... It's a bit like that (only the masons are the hell fire club). The magic is real. The challenge for us now is to start believing in our soul power and changing our world through direct 'etheric' intervention. Hell, it's what they do....

Let me tell you a secret about the sun... It's activity is actually controlled from here on earth. Read your gnostic gospels and take time to research ancient Egyptian religion.. Ever wonder why they make so much fuss about Sun Gods who are human... Sun Kings, Pharoahs... they all embody the Sun on earth. We all do, it just take a 'special' education to realise the fact. An education I thank God I have also been blessed with.

If the Sun does go loopy it will be because of human soul activity here on earth. Seriously. Illumination Enlightenment, I am the resurrection and I am the light.. The light of God. The son/sun of God. The solar plexus etc etc etc...

[2013]

I just read this on page 16 of today's (27th February) Daily Star.

Armageddon outta here because...The World Will End On 21st December 2012

Don't make any long-term plans - the end of the world is coming in just FIVE years.
Global doomsday experts have delivered their most horror-laden predictions yet.
The bleak news that the world will end in exactly 2,125 days is backed up by an army of scientists, historians, mystics and religious experts.

[.[/B] DAVID BOWIE 5 years
Pushing thru the market square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, we had five years left to cry in
News guy wept and told us, earth was really dying
Cried so much his face was wet, then I knew he was not lying
I heard telephones, opera house, favourite melodies
I saw boys, toys electric irons and t.v.s
My brain hurt like a warehouse, it had no room to spare
I had to cram so many things to store everything in there
And all the fat-skinny people, and all the tall-short people
And all the nobody people, and all the somebody people
I never thought Id need so many people

A girl my age went off her head, hit some tiny children
If the black hadnt a-pulled her off, I think she would have killed them
A soldier with a broken arm, fixed his stare to the wheels of a cadillac
A cop knelt and kissed the feet of a priest, and a queer threw up at the sight of that

I think I saw you in an ice-cream parlour, drinking milk shakes cold and long
Smiling and waving and looking so fine, dont think
You knew you were in this song
And it was cold and it rained so I felt like an actor
And I thought of ma and I wanted to get back there
Your face, your race, the way that you talk
I kiss you, youre beautiful, I want you to walk


Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, what a surprise
Five years, stuck on my eyes
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Five years
Five years
Five years
Five years
DAVID BOWIE 5 years, but then again prince was wrong in 1999 lol! and how we partied :D

[21_12_2012]

You hardly think masons would know about the evolution of consciousness?

Not really no.

What they dream of is mass luciferic illumination (evolution of consciousness)...

Sounds more like masonic satanic false brainwashing to me.

You will find that many of the symptoms of your so called evolution of consciousness coincide with the symptoms of schizophrenia which in term coincide with the symptoms of illumination.

I do not understand what you mean here, but it sounds like you are saying that the Mayans, and people like Ian Lungold are actually wrong with regards to the evolution of consciousness, and with regards to the actual 21_12_2012 time and date (highly unlikely).
And maybe you're saying Icke is wrong regarding the 100th monkey syndrome effect (with regards to ascension en-masse)

I've tried 'evolution of consciousness'.. it's a nice idea but take a look at the world... how long could a perfect evolved soul last here in this toxic world?

They don't... they go insane and and get sucked into a secret society who can protect them...

? ? ? I really am lost with this bit !
Have you actually seen any perfectly evolved souls and studied them with regards to 'how long one could last here in this toxic world' ??
Senseless words really, please speak a little clearer for me to understand what you mean.

Research is all very well but focus on personal experience. That's always best. The you know what you're talking about.

Again, i am lost...i am just referring to what experts such as the Mayans / Ian Lungold and many others have actually come to the conclusions of. Don't shoot the messenger !

Last word.. The masons know A hell of a lot... I'll never take that away from them.

I firmly disagree...they have been indoctrinated to believe they know a lot, but what they actually do know that is actual fact, probably is not a lot at all....in fact very little.

Let me tell you a secret about the sun... It's activity is actually controlled from here on earth. Read your gnostic gospels and take time to research ancient Egyptian religion.. Ever wonder why they make so much fuss about Sun Gods who are human... Sun Kings, Pharoahs... they all embody the Sun on earth. We all do, it just take a 'special' education to realise the fact. An education I thank God I have also been blessed with.

Now that is the most far out un-provable piece of 'information' i have ever heard !

If the Sun does go loopy it will be because of human soul activity here on earth. Seriously. Illumination Enlightenment, I am the resurrection and I am the light.. The light of God. The son/sun of God. The solar plexus etc etc etc...

it's quite simple, our solar system has moved into a high vibrational field of the galaxy, which in turn is increasing the vibration of everything within our solar system, including the sun, which in turn is heating up....it is very simple !.. No sun gods...no earth sun gods...no masonic magic...no nothing...just simple nature !

[tru3]

it's quite simple, our solar system has moved into a high vibrational field of the galaxy, which in turn is increasing the vibration of everything within our solar system, including the sun, which in turn is heating up....it is very simple !.. No sun gods...no earth sun gods...no masonic magic...no nothing...just simple nature !

keep goin' guys! this is juicy stuff! bravo! this is thesis/antithesis/synthesis in action. :) :) :) :) :) i'm dying to jump in here, but don't want to interrupt the flow. this is what this forum is all about, baby!

[emma royds]

I heard that 2012 date is wrong, they calculated the dates wrong or something, and it is actually December 2007

[21_12_2012]

I heard that 2012 date is wrong, they calculated the dates wrong or something, and it is actually December 2007

If the date was calculated wrong, then there would be an awful lot of 'evolutions of consciousness' going on right now in the world.
Things would be changing so rapidly that none of us would probably know what was going on. Technology would have advanced superfast and we would be literally swamped down by technology and drowing in it all.
It is unlikely that the date is wrong at all, and if it is then it will not be out by 'years' as some people may be saying.
The Mayans were (and still are) the greatest masters of 'time' and it's astronomical relation with time/movement of the stars.
But, if it does happen in 2007 (which is highly unlikely) then i'd be the first person to be jumping for joy !
But we have to go through many, many evolutions of consciousness before 'the shift' occurs, and this is not happening at the moment like it would be happening if we were in the 'final year' of this age (see Ian Lungold's 2012 Evolution videos on google for more information)

[neondestiny]

I heard that 2012 date is wrong, they calculated the dates wrong or something, and it is actually December 2007

I would like to know if our calender is still the same as the Mayans? or if the Mayans were so far advanced that they knew that someone may come along one day and change the calender on us?
Would anyone really want to know the time and date of their death? I would rather focus on my life in the "NOW" than worry my pretty little head about something that may or may not even happen, especially if the dates are mixed up.

[tru3]

If the date was calculated wrong, then there would be an awful lot of 'evolutions of consciousness' going on right now in the world.
Things would be changing so rapidly that none of us would probably know what was going on. Technology would have advanced superfast and we would be literally swamped down by technology and drowing in it all.
It is unlikely that the date is wrong at all, and if it is then it will not be out by 'years' as some people may be saying.
The Mayans were (and still are) the greatest masters of 'time' and it's astronomical relation with time/movement of the stars.
But, if it does happen in 2007 (which is highly unlikely) then i'd be the first person to be jumping for joy !
But we have to go through many, many evolutions of consciousness before 'the shift' occurs, and this is not happening at the moment like it would be happening if we were in the 'final year' of this age (see Ian Lungold's 2012 Evolution videos on google for more information)

the brain processes information at 24 frames per second. information keeps coming into it at an increasing rate, something's going to give. identifying with the brain as the seat of Consciousness is going to become more and more stressful. hence, i believe, the massive increase of depression, adhd, etc.). what do we do? stop identifying with the brain as the center of personal identity. (a sidebar: personally, i believe adhd is just a brain waiting for the cosmic energy cycle to catch up to "it"!).

i know that sounds like hive mentality; it's not. i'm talking about an emotional intelligence, a non-linear, non-local type of conscious awareness we all have access to right now: the Heart.

please go to http://www.heartmath.org/research/our-heart-brain.html for some pictures. this is a fascinating site, especially if anyone here is doing healing work regardless of the modality.

so again, it's available to all, right now to begin to work with. no esoteric rites or initiations necessary. it's the most plain, ordinary thing imaginable: just begin working with what's in front of you right now. become aware of the felt sense of the body, the emotional circuits that run through them, the physicalness of the feeling. with an intention of compassion and harmlessness, go about daily business without fear. when it comes up, work with it; what's it trying to say? don't judge it, and when the fear talks to you, say "thank you for sharing", and go back to the business at hand. that's the only way you'll ever know if what i say is valid. there is no substitute for experience.

this network of nuerons stretches into the abdominal cavity. this is what
is meant by "trusting the gut" ;)

but here, i feel, is where the illuminati are coming from:

"Optimistic, Teilhard believes that the human collectivity has already made some progress towards achieving the construction of the noosphere. Teilhard puts it thus: "In every past generation true seekers, those by vocation or profession, are to be found, but in the past they were no more than a handful of individuals, generally isolated, and of a type that was virtually abnormal. But today...in fields embracing every aspect of physical matter, life and thought, the research workers are to be numbered in the hundreds of thousands, and they no longer work in isolation but in teams endowed with penetrative powers. Research...is in process of becoming a major, indeed the principal, function of humanity." Teilhard definitely believes that humanity is "cerebralizing" itself, and slowly but surely building the noosphere, which for him is a "stupendous thinking machine." -
http://www.bizcharts.com/stoa_del_sol/plenum/plenum_2.html

This is from a passage describing an "omega point". it's much bandied about in certain intellectual circles (yes, i'm a recovering new ager myself :o ).

Teilhard de Chardin was a jesuit, folks. Let me say that again: a jesuit. describing the future evolution of mankind as a machine. ye shall know them by their fruits.

yes there has to be a linkage, but imo, it is the energy of the heart that will bring the kind of shift i think everyone on this forum is looking for (at least i am): infinite Love! :)

p.s. according to the video, we're in a 360 day cycle, which started in june 1999. as near as i could figure, we should be entering the 5th day within the next 6 weeks or so. that means the 5th night is coming in 2008 (sorry, you've got to watch the video; to play you got to pay! :) . Seriously, the next 22 months are going to be a wild ride. i believe we got a whiff of what's coming today: china sold off 9% of it's u.s. paper this morning, and this afternoon the ny stock market dropped 4%. within 6 hours. remember, more than 24 frames per second is bad! lol :rolleyes: just a mild demonstration, plus i'm sure it was a diversion for something else happening. heh heh. :p

[harx bhullar]

The brain's threshold for differentiation is 23/second. So the brain can see 23 seperate events per second. Above that, it's percieved as fluent motion (in the case of moving picture). So what does that mean?

Information is coming to us at increasing speeds and this is going to create a problem? I highly doubt it. I could make a movie for you at a framerate of 60/second. Would your head explode when you watch it?

The speed with which events are taking place are increasing, sure, but what does this have to do with the differentiation-threshold of the human brain>?

nothing..

[tru3]

The brain's threshold for differentiation is 23/second. So the brain can see 23 seperate events per second. Above that, it's percieved as fluent motion (in the case of moving picture). So what does that mean?

Information is coming to us at increasing speeds and this is going to create a problem? I highly doubt it. I could make a movie for you at a framerate of 60/second. Would your head explode when you watch it?

The speed with which events are taking place are increasing, sure, but what does this have to do with the differentiation-threshold of the human brain>?

nothing..

i stand corrected. i should have cited the video i quoted it from. that's not quite the right term. let me try another tack...

23 seperate events per second is a small percentage of the information that exists around us. that figure is constant; meanwhile Moore's law states that information processing capability is every doubling every 24 months, so we keep missing more and more. anybody able to keep up with every thread on this forum? i doubt it. what do you choose to look at? what you're already attracted to, maybe a catchy headline, maybe just curious about something you've never looked at. who knows? the point is more people are coming to this site every day, attracted by? buzz, david's books and videos, a personal referral, who will be coming and will be attracted to what they know, and so on. hence, more and more posts. it becomes a feedback loop.

how do we keep from sitting in front of our monitor's day and night? it's a sorting out process, a filter, if you will.

so, the "brain" (more specifically, human perception; we know there's a vehicle, but we can't find the driver) is a filter, a pretty coarse filter at that. couple that with a belief system (the primary sifter, imv) that's rigid and changes little by the time we're in our 30's, and that's not much to work with, imo.

"How Do Brains Filter Data?Salk Institute teams gain insight into how synapses separate important neural messages from background noise.

by Emily Anthes • Posted July 5, 2006 12:49 AM

When neurons communicate, they send messages across a junction known as a synapse. Synapses don't act as passive channels for the brain's messages—they actively filter them, amplifying important messages while eliminating extraneous background noise.

"Synapses, by their nature, are probabilistic little devices," said Vitaly Klyachko, a neurobiologist at the Salk Institute in Southern California. "They don't transfer every type of information they receive."

In fact, only 10 to 25% of the signals that a neuron receives will be transmitted across the synapse; the rest are "dropped" much like a cell phone call."


http://seedmagazine.com/news/2006/07/how_do_brains_filter_data.php

p.s. if you lost money in the stock market today, i'm sure you're sitting around scratching your head, wondering what happened.

i rest my case.

[edelweiss pirate]

I do not understand what you mean here, but it sounds like you are saying that the Mayans, and people like Ian Lungold are actually wrong with regards to the evolution of consciousness, and with regards to the actual 21_12_2012 time and date (highly unlikely).
And maybe you're saying Icke is wrong regarding the 100th monkey syndrome effect (with regards to ascension en-masse)

100th Monkey syndrome is cool.... Just I find that some of the 2012 predictions actually coincide with what the masons desire.

Realising your government is trying to kill your soul is quiet different from what some of the 2012 websites predict for humanity... Breatharians, another earth in another dimension, ass-ension and all sorts of other insane masonic inspired mind fucks.... They want our minds fucked and have our spirits unchained from our bodies... we're even easier to control that way...

http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/ast.htm

Serpents? Quaballah? This stuff:

Ecdysone and the non-molecular body

Dr. Charles Muses, who died last year (2000), suggests in his 1985 book The Lion Path , 1 that the Egyptians had developed a technology in which tones, lights and an as-yet unidentified plant are used, to “open a rusty valve”, or trigger the production of hormones similar to the ecdysone (ecdydsterone), produced by larval forms of insects, which allows the adult form to emerge. In this way, they would allow the gestation of a non-molecular body that would allow the survival of consciousness beyond physical death. Just as every chrysalis has embossed wings on it, so too, does every mummy case have folded wings on it. The process was started well before death, and completed during the 70-day embalming period, that was connected to the 70-day disappearance of Sirius.


This is the road to madness.... I'm waiting for my soul to gestate from my body? Shit, what wrong with just having a nice life here on earth... NWO new age madness.

As I said just now, Jenkins has shown that the Maya were tracking precession with the Long Count calendar, but rather than the Vernal Equinox, they were tracking the movement of stars (the Milky Way) against the Winter Solstice. He also showed that the Mayan 13-baktun cycle (5,125 years), ends on Winter Solstice 2012. What is more, the Maya used to take hallucinogens, including toad venom, and psilocybin mushrooms. Jenkins has also found some evidence they may have taken Amanita Muscaria (Fly Agaric),10 but they mainly used the psilocybin mushroom. This is the same mushroom that Terence & Dennis McKenna took, when they were “informed by an elf-troupe that the laws of physics would change in 2012”, and conceived the Timewave Zero concept – a hierarchy of waves governing all change in the universe, and terminating in 2012, encoded in the Chinese I Ching oracle. The psilocybin mushrooms contain DMT, which is also produced in the pineal gland, or third eye, and which is shaped LIKE A PINE-CONE.

Wanna be on a bad acid trip for the rest of your life? They prove my truth perfectly... it's all chemical based.. nothing more. Mushrooms, acid trips, McKenna... Pwned as they say.

The chemical which is produced on illumination is Adrenochrome. It is produced by digesting adrenalin when in a 'terror' situation. The 2012 evolution of consciousness will be a masonic orchestrated 'terror' based inititaion... Guess what... it's already started.. That's why masonic initiations focus on a trauma event. Not just to scare the candidate into keeping shtum but to get a 'terror' response. This continues until theire bodies produce adrenochrome which puts them in a schizophrenic/acid trip state... Nothing wrong with schizophrenia (shamans love it) as such but it just be aware that this is another name for what they are planning for us. It's a scam. A man made scam. Forget the New Age bollocks.


? ? ? I really am lost with this bit !
Have you actually seen any perfectly evolved souls and studied them with regards to 'how long one could last here in this toxic world' ??
Senseless words really, please speak a little clearer for me to understand what you mean.

You should know my story by now.... I was one and I was illuminated by masonic social mind control... I'll write a book one day..


I firmly disagree...they have been indoctrinated to believe they know a lot, but what they actually do know that is actual fact, probably is not a lot at all....in fact very little.


Madness.. the masons/illuminati know everything they just don't have a heart or any emotions. Nor self love nor freedom nor personal volition, in this sense they have no soul.


Now that is the most far out un-provable piece of 'information' i have ever heard !


Difference between me and you is you talk about what someone else knows.. I tell you what I know. Reject it if you wish, that's your choice. But my reality. Had a bad day at work today, the boss tried to take a shit on me...as a result there's a thunderstorm outside... weather control is rather elementary white magic (literally lol).. Google it, it is a real phenomena, just like cloud busting and orgon energy. There was a time when I had to wish for the weather to change, these days the sky always reflects my mood... btw I'm in Egypt.. Thunderstorms are not that common. Maybe I'm one of those who has evolved... There are others I've spoken to who are in the same place. I could tell you some things I know you wouldn't believe but which remain true for some people all the same. The person who could stop a car with a thought or make UFO's appear in the sky.. A friend of mine.


it's quite simple, our solar system has moved into a high vibrational field of the galaxy, which in turn is increasing the vibration of everything within our solar system, including the sun, which in turn is heating up....it is very simple !.. No sun gods...no earth sun gods...no masonic magic...no nothing...just simple nature



Ha, and you say I'm 'far out'.. lol.... Anyway, no masonic magic? I know, been there. I'm not lying... why would I.. please accept my truth, I'm only here with my piece of the jigsaw.

Anyway this is becoming rather like an argument... I am telling you about my experiences and you are arguing with me with what someone has told you.... If I debunk you it's not like I'm saying you're lying, if you debunk me it's like you think I'm lying. I'm not. Open your mind. Close those kooky books you're reading and realise perhaps, it's all part of the new NWO religion.

I know Icke likes this stuff... Difference between me and Icke, when he got the voices he listened, when I got them I said 'piss off you trans dimensional manipulative bastards....' and they did... they came back for me in a UFO one day and tried to take my astral body away.. This time I had to use stronger language... And fuck off they did.

[21_12_2012]

100th Monkey syndrome is cool.... Just I find that some of the 2012 predictions actually coincide with what the masons desire.

Realising your government is trying to kill your soul is quiet different from what some of the 2012 websites predict for humanity... Breatharians, another earth in another dimension, assension and all sorts of other insane masonic inspired mind fucks.... They want our minds fucked and have our spirits unchained from our bodies... we're even easier to control that way...



You should know my story by now.... I was one and I was illuminated by masonic social mind control... I'll write a book one day..




Madness.. the masons/illuminati know everything they just don't have a heart or any emotions. Nor self love nor freedom nor personal volition, in this sense they have no soul.




Difference between me and you is you talk about what someone else knows.. I tell you what I know. Reject it if you wish, that's your choice. But my reality. Had a bad day at work today...as a result there's a thunderstorm outside... weather control is rather elementary white magic (literally lol).. Google it, it is a real phenomena, just like cloud busting and orgon energy. There was a time when I had to wish for the weather to change, these days the sky always reflects my mood... btw I'm in Egypt.. Thunderstorms are not that common. Maybe I'm one of those who has evolved... There are others I've spoken to who are in the same place. I could tell you some things I know you wouldn't believe but which remain true for some people all the same. The person who could stop a car with a thought or make UFO's appear in the sky.. A friend of mine.




Ha, and you say I'm 'far out'.. lol.... Anyway, no masonic magic? I know, been there. I'm not lying... why would I.. please accept my truth, I'm only here with my piece of the jigsaw.

Anyway this is becoming rather like an argument... I am telling you about my experiences and you are arguing with me with what someone has told you.... If I debunk you it's not like I'm saying you're lying, if you debunk me it's like you think I'm lying. I'm not. Open your mind. Close the books.

If you or the masons knew as much as what you make out they/you do...then there would have been no errors with any of the 'set-up' false-flag terror operations such as 9-11....7/7....everything would go as smooth as clockwork for the 'powers that be'....with no errors whatsoever.....
The masons/illuminati would be able to see into the future (2012 and beyond) and know EXACTLY what will occur and how to deal with things up until, during and after 2012.
Also, if as you claim, the weather and suchlike is 'controllable', and (if i am understanding this correctly) you know of people who can stop cars with their mind and make UFOs appear in the sky...well...if all this was true, why do the NWO put so much effort into what they do, and make so many mistakes?
Why can't they, as you refer to, make things happen with their minds, and control us in that way?
I do not wish to argue with you, and quite contrary to what you think, my mind is VERY OPEN, but when someone says things like you have regarding 'the sun is controlled by people on the earth"....and SUN GODS...and HUMAN SUN GODS....and masons knowing 'near enough everything there is to know'...you have to admit.....it doesn't actually 'seem true' or 'feel true' to even the most open minded of people.....
If indeed anyone on this earth had control of the sun, especially masons, im sure by now they would have exploded the sun and jetted off in their secret spaceships to a safer place...but nope..the sun continues to heat up...slowly....and naturally....just like the NUMEROUS authors/books/ancient texts tell us regarding our position within the galactic procession.
I would love to see some proof of 'masonic-sun-control' magic...then i would be the first to agree that it is possible...but...until then (which will be never)...i remain skeptical of this claim...and also of the claim that you know of someone who can stop cars with their mind and make UFOs appear in the sky !

[21_12_2012]

Ha, and you say I'm 'far out'.. lol.... Anyway, no masonic magic? I know, been there. I'm not lying... why would I.. please accept my truth, I'm only here with my piece of the jigsaw.

Anyway this is becoming rather like an argument... I am telling you about my experiences and you are arguing with me with what someone has told you.... If I debunk you it's not like I'm saying you're lying, if you debunk me it's like you think I'm lying. I'm not. Open your mind. Close those kooky books you're reading and realise perhaps, it's all part of the new NWO religion.

I know Icke likes this stuff... Difference between me and Icke, when he got the voices he listened, when I got them I said 'piss off you trans dimensional manipulative bastards....' and they did... they came back for me in a UFO one day and tried to take my astral body away.. This time I had to use stronger language... And fuck off they did.

I think you may be suffering from some kind of paranoid schizophrenia.
Try meditation and maybe some kind of martial arts discipline....also crystals will help to strenthen your aura and your energy field in general.

I can't seem to get on your level anyway, but it was interesting reading your points.

[edelweiss pirate]

You have a mind firmly closed shut.... hope you find the key one day.

BTW I am not suffering from schizophrenia but for three days I WAS.. that's the point.. it was induced by masonic mind control. Why don't you actually research so called schizophrenia... the Shaman's disease...

Why do you have trouble believing someone who actually is 'living' all the thing you seem to want to believe.

Irony.

[21_12_2012]

You have a mind firmly closed shut.... hope you find the key one day.

Thanks, im sure i will.
And you need a good doctor by the sounds of it mate.

[edelweiss pirate]

Wow... you're horrible. Are you sure you're on the right website?

Sounds like the very attitude many of us here face 'out there'.. Funny how quickly the masks slip eh?

[edelweiss pirate]

Do some research:

schizophrenia shaman's illness - Google Search


In my life, I have had two main interests, the art of drawing comics, and studying the topic of schizophrenia, my mother having suffered from the latter. Imagine my surprise when these two seemingly divergent interests merged. I had no idea that comics (or storytelling) was related to the other.

In the title of this essay I put schizophrenia in quotes as there is no set consensus as to what exactly this 'mental illness' is or what its causes are. The theories range from a chemical imbalance in the brain to a deep spiritual crisis, the symptoms usually being characterized by hallucinations, visual and/or auditory.


There are many doctors, psychotherapists, and people who suffer from schizophrenia who do not believe it is a chemical imbalance. In his book, Toxic Psychiatry, Dr. Peter Breggin challenges the alleged causes of schizophrenia, such as the theories of chemical imbalances, family genes, and 'bad' brains. He is not a lone voice in speaking out against the danger of the intake of neuroleptic drugs used for schizophrenia, or the harm in treating it as a disease, while ignoring the psychological.

"They (biopsychiatrists) search for signs of hyperactivity in the dopamine system of schizophrenics without acknowledging that if they find it, it could be the normal response of a normal brain to the prolonged expression of an intense emotional state." -- Breggin, Toxic Psychiatry.

In ancient communities found all over the world, the first storytellers were also the first healers, called shamans. Shamanism can be found in Asia, Africa, North and South America, Europe and Australia. A shaman would enter a trance, and bring back stories and guidance from the spirit realm, and these stories would be passed down from generation to generation. Here, there was a seamlessness between healing and storytelling. Modern culture has split healing in two: the medical profession and the entertainment industry.

Interestingly, one whom we today identify as a 'schizophrenic' would sometimes be recognized as a shaman with a natural talent for perceiving the inner dimensions of reality, but in dire need of guidance and training. This is not to say that all 'schizophrenics' are shamen. Many people are just very wounded.

"The shaman is the person who has in his late childhood, early youth, could be male or female, had a overwhelming psychological experience, that turns him totally inward. The whole unconscious has opened up and they've fallen into it. And it's been described many,many times. And it occurs all the way from Siberia, right through the Americas, down to Tierra del Fuego. It's a kind of schizophrenic crack-up, the shaman experience." --Joseph Campbell (leading historian and mythologist)

One of the causes of illness that a shaman is concerned with is called soul loss. The shaman knows that there is depth to soul (one can call it psyche) and understands that reality is not 'flat', but with infinite dimension. To the modern person, it may seem odd that the soul does function in interesting and mysterious ways. By and large, the ancient condition of soul loss still occurs, while the ancient tradition of healing does not.


There is a long and rich history of the shaman as 'schizophrenic'. Could it be that the understanding of schizophrenia has been known for thousands of years?

It is important to note that not all soul loss results in the experience of schizophrenia. Often, depression is cited as a type of soul loss. Also, in physical illness, soul loss may play an integral role.

Schizophrenia can be characterized as a dissociative state. From a psychological perspective, dissociation is when parts of the psyche are 'split-off' or fragmented. From a shamanic perspective, these split-off parts are not just psychological, but parts of the soul or consciousness that have left the body.

Dissociation is a type of out-of-body experience. A person may leave his body during a traumatic event, such as a car accident, or as a result of physical and emotional abuse. In the case of incest, many children will leave their bodies, so as not to experience the event fully. This has been documented in medical literature. Therefore, dissociation is a healthy defense mechanism, a 'blessed' way to escape reality.

If a child learns to dissociate, I believe it is a deeply unconscious behavior, something akin to breathing, and the experience can continue into adulthood. I would liken the soul to a helium balloon, where one keeps going 'out' during times of stress.

The surrounding loved ones of the schizophrenic may be baffled as to why she or he is having a breakdown for no apparent reason. It's a mysterious 'pull', the human spirit. Perhaps memories of the past can trigger a crisis.

To many people, after years of struggling with the pain of schizophrenia, therapy seems inadequate and the only recourse is the intake of the neuroleptic drugs. It may not occur to the disenchanted to question the kind of therapeutic help that's being enacted. Perhaps the added dimension of soul retrieval work combined with therapy, could be a missing element.

Sandra Ingerman, a renown modern day shaman, describes her vocation in her book Soul Retrieval - Mending The Fragmented Self. She describes the spiritual realm that the shaman journeys to as nonordinary reality. With the help and guidance of her spirit guides, she journeys to nonordinary reality, and brings back missing soul parts to her clients. Interestingly, she describes the storytelling aspects of shamanism: her spirit guides will show her an actual scene of the client's life, or a symbolic scene - like a play- portraying the root of the soul loss.

Ingerman says that it is important for a person's vital essence to be within the body/mind, in order to receive the healing that therapy can offer. As a licensed therapist, she realized that it is very difficult to help a person whose parts of self are not 'home' to receive the help.

"The ancient practice of soul retrieval and modern psychology potentially have much to offer each other. By restoring lost soul parts, the shaman can give the psychotherapist a whole patient with whom to do psychological work, thus making possible faster and deeper results. Conversely, the psychotherapist can help patients build healthy self-esteem and healthy life-patterns that allow them to stay alive and present in their body once their souls have been restored to them. Adjusting to being fully in the body again, learning healthy ways of relating to the self and others, can certainly provide a good deal of work for the psychotherapist and the client." --Ingerman, Soul Retrieval - Mending The Fragmented Self

It may be difficult to visualize nonordinary reality. Often, nonordinary reality is described as the collective unconscious, and the shaman is one who is awake in the collective unconscious.

In the revelatory book, Jung and Shamanism In Dialogue, Michael Smith explores the striking similarities between Jungian psychology and shamanism. Indeed, Carl Jung's forays into the unconscious are surprisingly similar to a shaman's venture into the lower world of nonordinary reality. It is uncanny.

Carl Jung primarily believed that schizophrenia is of a psychological origin, rather than physical.

"It was Jung's intimate acquaintance with the phenomena of schizophrenia which led him to postulate a 'collective' unconscious." --Anthony Storr, The Essential Jung


Another way to visualize nonordinary reality is to imagine being awake in one's dreams, but in three dimensional form. Wherein in a dream or nightmare, anything can happen, and the shaman is one who moves these dream energies around.

As Sandra Ingerman states, "When shamans enter nonordinary reality, the rules of the outer world are suspended. Horses fly, plants talk, fairies and leprechauns abound. Time as we know it is suspended."

To understand the philosophy of Life as Dream, it is helpful to consider all of reality as perceptual: looking out at the world through one's eyes, and inwardly, with eyes closed. To understand reality as Whole, with the perceptual separation necessary in order to experience it.

Drawing, painting, singing, writing, anything that one can do to explore the inner self, can bring you 'within'. I have met people who have experienced altered states of consciousness through praying. I believe it's the same inward focus, the same tunnel inside. I believe it can be learned like learning to play the piano. Lucid dreaming techniques can help, as well as recording one's dreams.

I have friends who have experienced altered states while walking deep within the forest. I think nature facilitates these experiences. Although it may seem uncommon as our collective focus is so 'outward' on day to day living and separate from nature, many people have these experiences.

I believe thought functions differently in nonordinary reality. For the schizophrenic, it's as if his consciousness learns the 'tricks of the trade' in nonordinary reality, and those shadow parts come bursting forth into the ordinary world. The schizophrenic could be described as 'engaged in conversation' with nonordinary reality. It's illusory, but what I am saying is that the drama is not necessarily taking place within the physical brain, but that somewhere 'other'. I believe these experiences would cause thought disorder, confusion, depression, disorientation, and fear.

I think if one has not experienced altered states of consciousness it may not occur to him/her that reality can be experienced in different ways. I think this is key to understanding the 'schizophrenic' experience.

For I believe, at it's bare essence, that schizophrenia is an experience of reality.

I have a cartoonist friend whose mom is a therapist. She read one of my mini-comics, issue number eight, and she said that I have a deep understanding of schizophrenia. This really surprised me, as I did not intend to write a comic about schizophrenia and my friend did not know about my interest in the subject. Nowhere in the comic do I say "This comic is about schizophrenia" or "Schizophrenia is a chemical imbalance." I presume she deduced it the old-fashion, Jungian way. I feel perhaps, that I have an unconscious understanding of the subject, as one who had been 'mothered' by someone who suffered from schizophrenia.


The leading mythologist Joseph Campbell found that the study of schizophrenia opened new doors for him. He declares that there is a type of 'story' that the schizophrenic follows during his psychospiritual crisis.

"...the imagery of schizophrenic fantasy perfectly matches that of the mythological hero journey, which I had outlined and elucidated, back in 1949, in The Hero With A Thousand Faces." --Joseph Campbell


One may ask, how does a chemical imbalance create this kind of 'story'?

In the artwork of schizophrenics, I was surprised to find many trees and crosses. This can be described as primal. A painting may be of a cross in the fiery pits of hell, or a tree in a barren landscape.


'The Cosmic Tree', or 'The World Tree' is a classic universal symbol in comparative mythology. It also depicts the three-story cosmology of nonordinary reality that the shaman journeys to: The Upper World (tree tops or the ethereal) The Middle World (trunk,center) and The Lower World (roots,unconscious). Carl Jung suggested the Tree as a symbol for the Self.


"The tree is a means of access, a ladder of ascent/descent into the other world (of the collective unconscious), and it is at once a symbol of the archetypal Self, a central point of orientations (axis mundi) uniting the opposites (of lower and upper worlds)..." --Michael Smith, Jung and Shamanism in Dialogue


In the tortured paintings of the schizophrenic, it is as if she/he is saying "This is where I am at. This is how I feel. My center is askew."


It's the same 'place' that the shaman 'goes to'. It's an experience that is so similar yet polarized. To paraphrase the words of Joseph Campbell, it's the same archetypal waters, whereby the schizophrenic is drowning, while the shaman is swimming. The shaman is centered and in control, the schizophrenic is frightened and out of control. And I believe the heights of spiritual understanding the schizophrenic experiences while 'riding the waves' are genuine.


Again, how does a chemical imbalance create this kind of art?


"Psychiatric theory can always take refuge behind real or alleged organic disorders of the brain and thus detract from the importance of the unconscious" --Carl Jung


I experienced an altered state of consciousness that I believe is related to drawing the symbol of twins. I was studying twins, in an informal way, and drawing twins in my comics. (If you are curious, all the drawings of twins on this web site were drawn before I had my experience.)


With a few, simple meditative exercises, I had an out-of-body experience. My consciousness left my body, and passed through the walls of my room. I experienced thought as form, thought as color, thought as sound, again, not inside my head, but outside my body. I was very surprised, as I did not know that thought could act this way. The experience felt natural and I was wide awake. I also saw my dream body, which I learned later is called the astral body. After the experience, I fell asleep, and when I awoke in the morning, my first thought was "Oh, I saw my twin! (last night)."


Later, I described my experience to a shamanic practitioner, and she confirmed what I had already suspected; I had experienced an SSC, or a Shamanic State of Consciousness.


Most importantly is how the person who suffers from schizophrenia feels. Usually, he believes his experiences are real, while his doctors insist that they are not. He feels his doctors can't even begin to comprehend what the experiences are like. Over the years, I have read accounts in books, articles, and even on the Internet of schizophrenics who identify with the shaman's experience. At long last, the experience has been explained to her or him in a way that makes sense. It is very touching.

I have barely touched upon all the intricacies of schizophrenia, shamanism, and the state of the mental health industry. Please refer to my reading list for more information.


I do not want to give the impression that going to a shaman is an instant cure. Sandra Ingerman states emphatically that therapy in conjunction with soul retrieval work is very important. The process of healing can take years. When I talked with a student of shamanism, she said a person with schizophrenia could be hurt by an inexperienced shaman. It is recommended that one research the topic, and choose a shaman that is a teacher and has degrees in professional psychology. Also, it is dangerous to abruptly stop taking the drugs used to treat schizophrenia. Whether you are for or against the use of the neuroleptics, both sides agree (albeit for varying reasons) that it is mandatory to be assisted by one's doctor with any attempt to stop the intake of drugs in exchange for alternative healing choices.


All of this notwithstanding, I am excited and hopeful about the emergence of the modern day shaman. Although shamanism is very old, the advent of the modern day shaman seems to be a new and growing movement that started blossoming in the 1990's.

Can the mental health industry embrace the modern day shaman?

Could there be a shaman-in-residence in mental health facilities to assist the therapists?


Could shamanic healers make house calls to help the schizophrenic and educate the surrounding loved ones on the dissociative process?


We live in an age of Fad. And the psychiatric industry is not immune to fads. Industries such as entertainment, advertising, and even fashion, seep their way over a thin partition into the medical professions, including psychiatry. Combined with the pharmaceutical industry, it is a multi-billion dollar business, pressured by profit, the demand for solutions and new product.


The concern is that we are drifting farther away from the inner self. In regards to illness, the modern view focused on the physical is often seen as superior, while the belief in the psychospiritual, as antiquated. It seems to me, that there has been longer periods in the history of mankind, where people believed in spirit as that which is tangible and with consequence. I feel that belief in the human spirit and it's capabilities is watered down by the culture that surrounds you.


The topic of schizophrenia may seem narrow, but it's implications reach far and wide. What would you do if you or your loved one had an illness that was treated primarily as physical, yet was deeply spiritual in nature?


It begs a question that one must not only ask but respond to:


Is the interior world of Self really outmoded?

Jennifer Daydreamer
June, 2001

[21_12_2012]

Wow... you're horrible. Are you sure you're on the right website?

Sounds like the very attitude many of us here face 'out there'.. Funny how quickly the masks slip eh?

Listen my friend....you are the one who comes on here talking about how you've been 'initiated' into masonic knowledge and all that shite...if there's one kind of people i would never trust or have anything at all to do with, it is masons, or masonically-related people who claim to have 'some of their knowedge'
It's all complete crap....and it's all twisted...and the masons are all twisted and everyone they come into contact with and manage to give information to usually end up twisted as well...so please...do me a favour, and keep your masonic-magic, and ufo-manifesting, weather controlling ramblings to yourself...because to me it's all bollocks....simple as that...and no im not being 'horrible' as you say...im being factual and honest about masons and their 'kind'.

[edelweiss pirate]

This is what the masons do.. and want to do to all of us:

"The man chosen for shamanism is first recognised by the black spirits. The spirits of the dead shamans are called black spirits. They make the chosen one ill and then they force him to become a shaman."
Sunchugasev, another Siberian shaman

http://website.lineone.net/~crowseed/sands/skzshamn.html

It's easy to find the truth, only problem is you need to know what to look for.

[edelweiss pirate]

2012 'assension':

Are you feeling the Quickening?
The Shift of the Ages has already begun!
Ancient prophecies predicted it. Indigenous traditions honor it.
Changes within the Earth are affecting our sleep patterns, relationships, the ability to regulate your immune system and your perception of time. We are living a process of initiation that was demonstrated over 2,000 years ago, preparing you to accept tremendous change within your body.
That change is happening now.
SOME POSSIBLE EFFECTS OF THE CHANGES
* Migraine headaches, tiredness
* Electrical sensations in the limbs and spinal column
* Cramps in the muscular networks
* Flu like symptoms
* Intense dreams.
* The human body will become more sensitive as a result of the new vibrations.
* Greater intuitive and healing abilities will emerge.
* Eyes will become cat like in order to adjust to the new atmosphere...
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You can keep the cat's eyes though.... thanx anyways...

Shamanic schizophrenia:

"I also became ill when I was about to become a shaman. First my head began to ache, then my hands. Around the full moon my head was splitting with pain. I had been ailing for about three years. In the meantime the spirits came to visit me. While I slept, my tongue was chanting. It chanted like the shamans do. But I did not know anything about it. When I awoke, my mother and father and my sister told me,"You were chanting shaman songs." After such occasions I always felt better for a few days. After three or four months the sickness overpowered me. My head was aching all the time, and when I slept my tongue was chanting shaman songs again. It went on like this, alternating every three or four months, for three years. I kept suffering and suffering. When I wanted to rest or sleep, my tongue would be chanting. I didn't know anything about it, because really it's the spirit chanting. But not all spirits chant equally well. Some chant beautifully, some chant hideously. The great spirit chants best. I was twenty-seven years old when I heard him chant. The little one, the little spirit used to come to me. He had flown into my mouth and then I used to recite shaman songs. When I had no more strength left to suffer, finally I agreed to become a shaman. And when I became a shaman, I changed entirely. Because being a shaman turns you into a totally different person."
Kokuiev, a Siberian shaman

[edelweiss pirate]

More interesting stuff.. Please notice the schizophrenic 'loss of ego'... Then remember how the New (WO) Age tells us we have to 'lose our egos'..


What is Schizophrenia?
A good question, with no simple, short, or straightforward answer, since each sufferer is unique and schizophrenia is a complex phenomenon. In general, schizophrenia is an extremely introverted, psychospiritual mode of perception, or way of relating to the world; or state of consciousness involving (what I have called) 'extreme empathy'. This simultaneous blessing and curse is due to a fragile, fragmented, dead, or lost ego, or conscious personality structure. The normal, ego-enforced boundaries between the self and the world have broken down, such that schizophrenia sufferers - for better and worse - find themselves identifying with everything within their scope of perception. It is because of this ego loss, or 'dis-integration' that psychosis, shamanic initiation and mystical experience are so inextricably bound. The schizophrenic person may appear to family, friends and doctors to be lacking in emotion, but in reality is in a state of intense empathy, such that extreme sensations of joy and fear are usual. Because of their fragile personal boundaries, schizophrenic folk typically see, hear, sense, perceive and understand things that others are unaware of. Secret, or symbolic meanings are seen and heard in everything, and the schizophrenia sufferer typically feels responsible for the fate of the world.

Further reading: "Schizophrenia: The Shaman Sickness" by Sam Malone (former sufferer). Visit his website, which includes testimonies by schizophrenia sufferers:

http://www.geocities.com/johnny_crowseed/sands/skzlike.html

[edelweiss pirate]

There's LOADS of this stuff...and it's fascinating..

http://www.egodeath.com/egodeath.html

Ego Death
Contents
Introduction
The sense in which the ego 'exists'
Ego death as the transcendence of personal self-government
The nature of ego's existence and ego death
Breakdown of control agency, lyrics, Bible
Mysticism is a removal of controllership (steersmanship) not just a sense of unity

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Introduction
"The main objective of psychedelic therapy is to create optimal conditions for the subject to experience the ego death and the subsequent transcendence into the so-called psychedelic peak experience. It is an ecstatic state, characterized by the loss of boundaries between the subject and the objective world, with ensuing feelings of unity with other people, nature, the entire Universe, and God. In most instances this experience is contentless and is accompanied by visions of brilliant white or golden light, rainbow spectra or elaborate designs resembling peacock feathers. It can, however, be associated with archetypal figurative visions of deities or divine personages from various cultural frameworks. LSD subjects give various descriptions of this condition, based on their educational background and intellectual orientation. They speak about cosmic unity, unio mystica, mysterium tremendum, cosmic consciousness, union with God, Atman-Brahman union, Samadhi, satori, moksha, or the harmony of the spheres."

-- Stan Grof, in History of LSD Therapy.

Ego death is a change in one's sense of self-control. I am popularizing this term to distribute it farther than it went during the 60s. I am propagating this venerable meme. Stephen Gaskin was a very popular mystic psychedelic teacher in San Francisco in the late 60s. He formed a commune in Tennessee, I think it was, called The Farm. He has a good book out now. I don't recall the title offhand. The book mentions the ego death experience almost casually, implying that it was a standard experience.

Zen theorist Alan Watts often equates ego with the controller, which AI theorist Marvin Minsky would call the homunculus. Ego is the controller homunculus. Above all, I perceive myself as a controller, a cybernetic steersman of my thoughts and actions. Normally, we feel ourselves to be free entities wielding the power of control. But in the mystic altered state, this ordinary sense of freedom and power is cancelled out. Our freedom expands into insanely unrestrained freedom, but this freedom no longer is perceived as being in my control. My loss of the feeling of being a controller is the loss of the ego's power: ego death. Rationality also keeps pace with the experience of suspension of ego's control.

In the intense mystic altered state, rationality combines with a radically freed and innovative imagination to form what transpersonal psychologist Ken Wilber calls 'vision-logic' -- a powerful concept and powerful mode of cognitive processing. Vision-logic enables you to feel, comprehend, and see that the ego's power to control might not really be its own source, but rather, a result of a deeper level of control that entirely precedes your control. Not that this deeper control happens prior to your control along the time-axis, but rather, it thusts forth your control from a hidden place that is beyond your control. Ego death is not only a feeling of cancellation of ego's power-to-control, but a rational understanding of the way in which ego's control can never be powerful in the way we usually assume and feel.

These perceptions of feelings of the cancellation of the ego as a controller are integrated with the feeling of cosmic unity. This unity is largely the unity of controllership. Everything I think and do, and all the choices I make, do not ultimately originate from me, but rather originate from "the great Tao that flows everywhere", from "God's act of Creation", or from "the ground of being". If there is no separate me as controller, then there is just everything that is. Control there is, but no separate entity who controls.

This is a rough sketch and all the terms are problematic. It is possible to fully rationally map out and describe this sensation and the accompanying logic. Perhaps nothing can be proven as true. But this conceptual system is fully consistent and matches with our normal and altered experiences, and is therefore highly plausible.

Acid rock lyrics are full of references to ego death. This is the mystic bridge of death. It is the Dead in Grateful Dead, the river in the band name Styx. "And you're making me feel like I've never been born." -- the Beatles, _Rubber Soul_, the song "She Said". Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" -- "Pulled the trigger now he's dead, life has just begun, and now you've gone and thrown it all away." The more inspired Industrial and Metal lyrics also catalog the related phenomena. There are dozens of examples of the lyrical conflation of physical death with mystic ego death of the controlling entity. These often occur near lyrics reporting the loss of control and the terrifying status of being a helpless doll at the mercy of hidden, engulfing forces. The hero retains his identity and stability through assuming the proper relationship to this dominating force. In the proper relationship, ego is cancelled and yet preserved as a useful illusion.

Ego is not entirely false. To say that "ego dies" really means, more precisely, that the cognitive structure labelled 'ego', and the egoic mental model of the world, are systematically re-conceived, just like the components of Newtonian physics were systematically re-conceived to form the new system of Einsteinian physics. Ego death means that the mind no longer centrally identifies with the ego. The locus of control or origin of control is no longer seriously taken to be the ego. The transcendent mind knows that there is a source of control underlying the ego, and that ego's power of control is an epiphenomenon.

Imagine yourself as a Godlike entity -- an ultimate controller. Like Kurt Vonnegut, you create a character in a novel, a figure in a cartoon, or an agent in a virtual world shown on a computer screen. You have the power to make this entity shake his fist at you and rebel. You can make him act as though he creates himself and steers his own actions, unrestrained by you. But ultimately, you are the real, higher or underlying source of his every decision. On strong doses of LSD, you feel yourself to be like such a character, awakened to his complete dependence on a higher, prior, hidden author: his God, his real controller. This awakening into the illusory aspect of ego's power-to-control is a powerful feeling of cancellation of the heart of ego. This is the experience of ego death, the essence of religious rapture -- the sense of the heart of your control being raped and trumped by an underlying, hidden source of control that must exist prior to, or giving rise to, your every act.

The sense in which the ego 'exists'
How can that which has no true existence die? It is crude to say that "ego has no true existence". The definition or meaning of the term 'ego' is highly problematic. Whether ego "truly exists" or not totally depends on the assumed meaning of 'exist' and 'ego'.

Ego is some ways exists. Ego is some sense can die.

You've got to learn to think in terms of words as signifiers that can take on multiple meanings, referents, or sets of associations.

There is 'ego'(1) and 'ego'(2).

'Ego' in the term "ego death" means, say, 'ego'(1) but not 'ego'(2).

The senses or usages must be differentiated, and only then can the discussion make any progress.

What is it that ego-bashers bash? If there is no ego, as they claim, then why do they get so upset about ego? Ego is not simply nothing at all. The typical newage mode of discussing ego is extremely naive and clumsy and will never get anywhere.

The problem is not to promote ego, as in Ayn Rand's objectivism, or to condemn ego as evil, as in New Age, nor to deny the existence of ego, also as in New Age. The problem is to explain all the meanings, concepts, experiences, and usages of those things or patterns that can well be labelled 'ego'.

To declare ego flat-out nonexistent is to fail to explain anything. 'Ego death' refers to a specific, standard human experiential phenomenon.

Ego death as the transcendence of personal self-government
In ego death, you feel a unity with the entire world, but also, you experience the loss of your power of self-government. The first scope-of-concern is "being"; the second is cyber-agency, that is, personal governorship, personal steersmanship, self-steering, self-guiding, self-controlling.

Ego transcendence; ego death; the futility of the approaches that demonize ego

The problem is not to promote ego... or to condemn ego... THE PROBLEM IS TO EXPLAIN all the meanings, concepts, experiences, and usages of those things or patterns that can well be labelled 'ego'.

To declare ego flat-out nonexistent is to FAIL TO EXPLAIN anything.

Psychoanalysis sure involves a lot of conceptualization, thinking, and critical interpretation. A lot of "speculation", you could say. What is psychoanalysis if not a school of philosophy that claims to improve people's mental functioning? Abstract philosophy has as much potential to affect lived existence.

You might want to briefly explain 'soma' and clarify "look to the self as holding more critical weight".

Yes, I am doubtful about the effectiveness of psychoanalysis and New Age cliches about "healing the ego". Zen is ineffective and inefficient to the extreme. 30 years of sitting and being utterly frustrated is extreme. The broad path of Buddhism is a dismal failure. How many has it enlightened? There are distant rumors of one here, another over there... nothing more. Buddhism has become so dark that it has become proud of how elusive its knowledge is, how difficult its way is, what an all-consuming challenge it makes of enlightenment.

All existing paths to enlightenment are profoundly unsatisfactory. They practically don't work. Who would disagree? Who would claim that many have been enlightened? Who would claim the rewards of these "paths" to be reasonably attainable? Paths, paths, that is their problem. They are a path that leads on, and on, and on, the signs ever announcing "Enlightenment, Next Exit", but the exit never comes.

A road that never arrives makes for a journey drawn on by false promises, made wearisome by the endlessly extention of frustrated anticipation. The only joyful release available through such a path comes upon arrival at the only real destination the path ever led to: the joyful release into cynical nihilism and radical skepticism.

The only "path" to fully experiencing and comprehending ego death and transcendent knowledge is whichever path integrates dedication to comprehensible explanation with the fullest intensity and most extreme heights of experiencing. No currently available path or approach offers this, but out of the murky chaos of multicultural perspectivism, such a hybrid may well form sooner or later.

The nature of ego's existence and ego death
Mystic egolessness is a more advanced and powerful way of not having an ego. The mystic both has an ego and does not have an ego. He "has" an ego in that the cognitive structure of the ego and the general cognitive structure that is the egoic mental model of the world, remain intact and present if the enlightened mind chooses to use them. He "does not have" an ego, in the sense that his mind is not centrally identified with the ego structure anymore. The enlightened mind knows that the ego is only conventionally conceived of as the center, origin, and controller of all mental activity.

Once the structure of ego is built, it is preserved and you retain all the benefits of it, as a tool. In the schizophrenic mind, the structure of ego is not preserved -- it is effectively dissolved, destroyed, at great loss. The mystic mind advances through the ego and preserves the ego for its use; the insane mind destroys its ego and therefore loses the ability to use the ego. It is very bad to 'lose' the ego in the sense of destroying it. You only want to lose your ego in the sense of wiggling out of identification with it. You can only healthily lose your ego by constructing a mental conceptual system that is more integrated and consistent and true than the ego. Without a solid new foundation, you cannot leave the old accustomed foundation. It is not enough to find that the ego is (partly) false, you must identify and comprehend the true nature of the mind, self, and world, and their relationships. You must build a new world before leaving the old world, and even then, you must not destroy the old world -- just loosen it. Even the master engages his egoic structures almost all the time throughout the day -- but he knows they are largely based on invalid logic and on dreams taken as waking reality.

Alan Watts translated the eastern philosophies into words the Western mind could relate to. I admire Watts' style and goals of communication. He also proved his ability to write in the scholarly mode: _The Supreme Identity_, _Behold the Spirit_.

Watts focuses on enlightenment through taking frustration (about poor control) to its full development. Then you understand the true nature of control, through wrestling with it. Underlying all this wrestling with self-control is a deeper source of control that trumps our control. You learn to mentally see this prior or deeper level of control: the ground of being, from which emanates our every thought, choice, and mental tension. The only way to "trust" and "stop controlling" is to discover and clearly conceptualize the nature of self-control, and its relationship with the ground of being, or "the great Tao that flows everywhere". Then you realize that all your controlling has always been, by its very nature, flowing from a source beyond your control. Then, you are logically, conceptually forced to see that trusting is the only possible action, because you have always been at the mercy of the Tao, that intrudes even into your decisions. This isn't the very clearest wording possible, but it's how Watts describes the essence of enlightenment in _The Way of Zen_ and in the essay "Zen and the Problem of Control" in _This Is It_.

The Tao's control underlies all our sensation of lack of control and self-struggle, our inability to force and restrain our own thoughts, and our inability to silence our own mind. Watts portrays the method of Zen as "enlightenment through the complete frustration of control".

Watts' genius, in my view, is the discovery of the connection between self-control cybernetics and Zen. My philosophy fully highlights this connection and makes it central. Self-control cybernetics is the foundation of my system of philosophy.

The way to escape ego and control is by pushing and magnifying ego and control to their utter limits, till they collapse of their own weight. Do not reduce and moderate ego and control. Rather, blow them up to make them fully visible in the light. The way to ego transcendence is to blow up ego.

Breakdown of control agency, lyrics, Bible
If you all manage to get ahold of any genuine LSD, rather than blank paper, don't waste it, but do massive heroic doses. If you are about to commit some moral transgression against your own will, as your will threatens to transcend and cancel itself out, many people have found that taking a praying stance of doggie-like submission, and praying to some God Of Predetermined Fate, will re-stabilize you, so that you become a cybernetic puppet of the master controller. Thus, knowing this technique of harnessing God's power (hah!) you can trip harder than ever, into the master level.

Whatever you do, don't think about the cybernetic steersman and losing control of your will.

God or Fate, I am just clay in your hands, you master of puppets. Authorship of actions cannot originate from the inner homunculus who lives inside my brain. I don't know if God exists, but I have seen Fate, nonduality, and eternal predetermination with my own Eye.

...the incoherence and multiplicity of Christianity, as opposed the the conversative implication that there is a single, coherent Christianity.

God and Christian morality is as incoherent as our own core of logic about our sovereign independent agency. He says he is the one who puts our will and thus our specific actions into us, but then condemns or glorifies us arbitrarily, to demonstrate His power. Even so, he continues to treat us as morally self-authoring entities, the origins of our actions. But he continues to maintain that it is not us, but only Him, who is the origin of our will, while still condemning or praising us. How can the potter be morally angry and impatient at his own clay products? God's moral attitude is manifestly incoherent or self-contradictory.

So then He has mercy on whomever He wills (chooses) and He hardens (makes stubborn and unyielding the heart of) whomever He wills. You will say to me, Why then does He still find fault and blame us [for sinning]? For who can resist and withstand His will [if it is omnipotent and controls all of our will and actions]? But who are you, a mere man, to criticize and contradict and answer back to God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why have you made me thus? Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same mass (lump) one vessel for honorable use, and another for dishonorable use? What if God, although fully intending to show His wrath and to make known His power and authority, has tolerated with much patience the vessels of His anger which are ripe for destruction? And [what if] He thus purposes to make known and show the wealth of His glory in dealing with the vessels (objects) of His mercy which He has prepared beforehand for glory?

-- Romans 9:18 (amplified Bible & King James)

Mysticism is a removal of controllership (steersmanship) not just a sense of unity
This theory identifies the problems clearly and the phenomena that arise; the problems that arise when you think about self-control and governing-agency while in loose cognitive binding (the mystic, religious, dissociative state). Preliminary suggestions of the problems, issues, possible styles of interpretation and analysis. This is similar to Alan Watts' indentification of control as a significant issue in addition to the problem of separate being; even though he did not go very far at all in detail about control-agency and control-breakdown, he definitely said a number of major core themes, certainly enough to establish that there is some major material in this area, without which, enlightenment is grossly incomplete. I define, in great detail, a subject-matter and an approach. This dimension (control agency and control dynamics) is present almost all throughout the mystic writings, but as strong as it is, it is always overwhelmed by the overemphasis on transcending the sense (in general) of separate being. This minor topic of control is actually the core and key, or at least, the bulk of the content. There's not much to say about transcending the sense of separate being, in general. But there is much to say about transcending the sense of separate being as a controller, in which case, we're concentrating on transcending separate controllership (governorship), rather than transcending separate being. In terms of scope and magnitude of insight, previous conceptualization of mystic insight, which equated mystic experiencing with mystic unity of being, have missed expanding the area that has the most potential: the cancellation of the feeling of being a controlling agent. Religion does indeed mean "re-linking" or "re-connecting", but this unity also implies a violation of being specifically a personal governor/controller -- a removal of governing or steering power.

Egoic governing power is counterfeit power (crucifixion), illegitimate power of the created god-king, the would-be self-creator.

Control agency is the missing topic, the key to making spirituality substantial and relevant and concrete/grounded enough to become viable and achievable.

Alan Watts was the first person to problematize control and think about enlightenment in terms of control-agency -- which I point out, is essentially related to the nature of moral agency, which is the concern and creation of Jesus/Xty, and which Jesus also probably helps to t'd. How does Jesus' revealing of the fakeness of his death encourage ego transcendence? It encourages us to be critically concerned with uncovering the reality from the appearance, and suggests the idea of "virtual death" -- a kind of death that is related to governing-agency (control-agency) yet which preserves bodily life and sanity, even while aligned with and aware of Truth about such agency. Jesus as dead governor who yet lives past the experience of the dying of his governing power. Governor-death. Cybernetic death. Steersman-death. The steersman aspect of oneself dies, in the face of Truth.

The death of the steersman aspect, the death of the moral agent. Does "cybernetic" concern government? Absolutely; look in the dictionary. Does kingship involve government? Absolutely; look in the dictionary. What do cybernetics and kingship have in common? They both are essentially concerned with government -- the self-govern ... Is government about control? Absolutely. These are all closely related by definition: king, govern, control, author, agent, cybernetic, steering, will.

The thinker finds himself in a hopeless situation, oneself as oneself (a sovereign agent who once was stabilized by existing in the form of a particular egoic character) runs out of resources; has no choice but to call on a paraclete (a substitute governor-agent) -- calling on a higher-level rescuer/controller demonstrates (and establishes) awareness of personal metaphysical helplessness/ slavery/ creatureliness, relies on Jesus as a model of the encouragement yet (safe, life-preserving) transcendence of the illusion of governor agency/control agency/ moral agency. The savior did save himself, by arranging his non-miraculous healing recovery from the crucifixion. And prayer means I can only hope that the Author-machine has created my near-future in a compassionate form that preserves my mundane well-being. Prayer also marks an attempt to re-engage the egoic character and stabilizing restrictor -- restrictor of actions and cognition and consciousness; trying to pick up again one's (relatively safe and stable) accustomed behavioral boundedness. Regain the accustomed egoic personal habit-patterns, rather that having no cognitive patterns. Does loose cognition mean completely unglued cognition?

To completely unbind cognition in every way, completely and 100%, would be instant chaos. If your self-control were to fragment completely, you would die of a heart attack (that is, a mind-core breakdown). Perhaps cognition can only be mostly-loosened, not completely dis-integrated. Fear the complete disintegration of cognition. Hypoth: if cognition completely disintegrates, then you are not only metaphysically helpless; you are thoroughly incoherent and have no chance, no way to be coherent. Can loose cognitive binding completely suspend, completely loosen and remove all mental-construct binding? That is the sheer chaos, sheer insanity of which they are afraid -- even prayer to Jesus couldn't save you if your mind completely shatters. MC loosening -- cognitive loosening, vs. cognitive shattering. Want to make cognition rubber, not shatter it, not merely fall apart completely. That is the feeling for most people -- that's the worst, not that you'll retain force of will but sans accustomed code of behavior, but rather, you'll lose force of will along with code of behavior and along with every other type of mental structure as well -- lose your mental structure entirely, in all ways. That the accustomed structures and guiding forces, guiding systems are not merely disengaged, but actually quite beyond the ability to remember them -- "lost" control in the sense of being unable to find any accustomed cognitive structures. So that you literally don't know what you're doing; amnesia, replaced by sheer chaos, entirely unable to conceive of anything but sheer randomness of cognition. That's the worst possible fear.

the transcendent mental model coagulates, congeals, drops into place, flips into place - both by literally seeing and feeling it, and by rationally understanding it in detail, if your rationality is advanced. (in fact, rationality is required, to enable feeling it). The more you can reason about ego death, the more you can experience ego death. The more you can reason about unity consciousness, the more you can experience unity consciousness.

[21_12_2012]

2012 'assension':

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You can keep the cat's eyes though.... thanx anyways...

Shamanic schizophrenia:

Right, so let's get this straight, you tell me that i am just stating other people's beliefs and information, and you tell me that what you write is what you 'know'
And then you come on and write a load of 'stuff' about masons wanting us to become shamans, and then telling me stuff that other people believe ?? That's quite hypocritical isn't it?
How do you know masons want to become shamans, and want to 'do it to us' ?
Is it because you have read it? Or has some mason told you this?
Either way it sounds like complete 'rubbish'.

Let's see some real proof that ascension is a myth, and that the galactic procession isn't real, and that 2012 will just be another year and another equinox with nothing happening....
The truth is, you cannot prove or disprove it either way, so by writing this masonic 'rubbish' and your so-called experiences of people 'stopping cars with their mind' and 'manifesting UFOs'...and all this, is just totally ridiculous really.
As i said before, i am not being 'horrible' as you said....i am being factual about how you're coming across on here.
I don't know if you are a mason or were involved in the masons for a while or whatever, but you seem to be coming across with some rather bold statements which frankly seem like disinformation to me, but let's hope i am wrong.

[edelweiss pirate]

You're the guy who said I should see a doctor...

Now you call me a liar when I tell you my true life story....

Why because these things are actually happening to me and not you..

And you reckon I'm a mason now?

You attack me personally. You attack my personal story. I merely attack the New Age World order rubbish you've read...

And I post yards and yards of proof to support my contention...

You are unreasonable. Another new age bigot selling an empty lie they don't even believe in. A joke without the punchline....

You are an unwitting agent of the matrix. Defending their lies.

Thanks for spoiling a nice atmos bub. I told you I didn't want an argument but you gave me one all the same.... You're a civilian, a bigmouth who attacks what they don't understand. A sheep dressed up as a conspiracy researcher...

You don't know a damn thing. You haven't lived it bub and I don't think you ever will.

I'm for real baby, the inside man with the red hot scoop.... and you run me down... how typical.

[21_12_2012]

You're the guy who said I should see a doctor...

Now you call me a liar when I tell you my true life story....

Why because these things are actually happening to me and not you..

And you reckon I'm a mason now?

You attack me personally. You attack my personal story. I merely attack the New Age World order rubbish you've read...

And I post yards and yards of proof to support my contention...

You are unreasonable. Another new age bigot selling an empty lie they don't even believe in. A joke without the punchline....

You are an unwitting agent of the matrix. Defending their lies.

Thanks for spoiling a nice atmos bub. I told you I didn't want an argument but you gave me one all the same.... You're a civilian, a bigmouth who attacks what they don't understand. A sheep dressed up as a conspiracy researcher...

You don't know a damn thing. You haven't lived it bub and I don't think you ever will.

I'm for real baby, the inside man with the red hot scoop.... and you run me down... how typical.

When you come out with remarks such as:-
"i have a friend who can stop cars with his mind"
"i have a friend who can make UFO's appear"
"I can control the weather with my mind"
"masons know near enough everything"

.....then you're probably going to get attacked/ridiculed..

I personally don't believe a word you say.
You may have an inferiority complex or might just need to get out and meet more people...either way, i'm sure many on here will agree with me, you just are not plausible, your stories are, how can i say, not-believable in the slightest.

I'm just being as honest and factual as i can be anyway.

[teslafire]

I believe masons are engineering the evolution of consciousness or are "building it" for another ______. This is what the movie 2001 is all about IMO, the alchemical shift of human consciousness into starchildren, the new evolution to astral beings defying the boudaries of time/space. There are many researchers who believe that all of masonry is about communing with the wise interdimensional spirits. (This explains reptilian shapeshifting and my own encounters with it as I saw it as superimposed upon the person, not physically shifting the person).

Of course not all spirits are mischievous, or are they? Maybe there are opposing forces against the "luciferian" consciousness that dominates the earth? Perhaps these are the ones who are conducting the 'true evolution of consciousness'?

On another note:
I've also gotten tipped off by a couple of masons I know to go and buy land in certain areas of the US for the new system, or phoenix to emerge in about 4-5 years. I tend to believe them because I've checked out their leads and you can already see different cities being setup as the new financial, political, energy centers being planned (as they always have been).

[21_12_2012]

I believe masons are engineering the evolution of consciousness or are "building it" for another ______. This is what the movie 2001 is all about IMO, the alchemical shift of human consciousness into starchildren, the new evolution to astral beings defying the boudaries of time/space. There are many researchers who believe that all of masonry is about communing with the wise interdimensional spirits. (This explains reptilian shapeshifting and my own encounters with it as I saw it as superimposed upon the person, not physically shifting the person).

Of course not all spirits are mischievous, or are they? Maybe there are opposing forces against the "luciferian" consciousness that dominates the earth? Perhaps these are the ones who are conducting the 'true evolution of consciousness'?

On another note:
I've also gotten tipped off by a couple of masons I know to go and buy land in certain areas of the US for the new system, or phoenix to emerge in about 4-5 years. I tend to believe them because I've checked out their leads and you can already see different cities being setup as the new financial, political, energy centers being planned (as they always have been).

Why would masons wish us 'normal people' (cattle or goyim as they refer to us) to become enlightened astral beings, and to engineer our evolution of consciousness?
The last thing masons want is for 'goyim' to have any power whatsoever.
Masons are exactly the same physically as we are, but yet believe they are superior to us merely by the company they keep and the so-called secrets of life the possess.
Masons are still subject to the same laws of nature as we are, and therefore are still under the same laws which the universe governs us all with.
Human consciousness has been evolving since caveman days and before, there were no masons around then 'engineering' anything.
To me, it is a natural process, which coincides with the universe and its 25,920 year procession, which in turn affects human consciousness. I cannot see how masons can have any relation to this whatsoever !

[teslafire]

A. The masons operate on astrological timetables, they are more than aware of the 2012 date, their schedule is dependent on such alignments.

B. Evolution of consciousness, perhaps is a misnomer, maybe I should've said devolve for the purposes of astral harvest.

C. Have not the mystery schools been fashioning world events and one world order since time immemorial? Why would they back out at the last 100 meters of the marathon?

I think they are trying to capitalize off what is a naturally occuring cycle (like you said), IMO.

[tru3]

When you come out with remarks such as:-
"i have a friend who can stop cars with his mind"
"i have a friend who can make UFO's appear"
"I can control the weather with my mind"
"masons know near enough everything"

.....then you're probably going to get attacked/ridiculed..

I personally don't believe a word you say.
You may have an inferiority complex or might just need to get out and meet more people...either way, i'm sure many on here will agree with me, you just are not plausible, your stories are, how can i say, not-believable in the slightest.

I'm just being as honest and factual as i can be anyway.

objectively, why is this any harder to believe than a former football goalie in a velour jogging suit saying he is god? :confused:

likewise, objectively, i believe that e. pirate has blurred the line between the ego and the id:


"For some years it was not easy to find English translations of Groddeck’s works, and even today most are out of print. But in 1976 a new edition of The Book of the It appeared, which included a fine introduction by Lawrence Durrell....

Georg Groddeck spent half his life in the nineteenth century, half in the twentieth. Born in 1866, ten years after Freud, he died in 1934 in Switzerland, soon after fleeing the Gestapo. Shortly before that, he had sent an obscene telegram to the newly elected Hitler. He was a general practitioner of fiercely independent mind and unusually wide philosophical and literary interests. He loved and scoffed at his calling -- the essential quality of being a physician, he said, was "a propensity for cruelty which has been just so far suppressed as to be useful, and which has as its warder the dread of causing pain" (p. 4)....

Probing more and more into his patients’ minds, he uncovered the basic principles of symbolization, resistance, and transference, although he did not then label them as such....

Yet he was by no means a slavish disciple. Before learning about psychoanalysis, he had come to the conclusion that men may believe they are living their own lives, but the are actually "lived" by an unconscious "something," a great force, the mystery of life, called "Gottnature" by Goethe. Because it was ineffable – in fact a fiction, he said, merely a way of thinking about man – Groddeck found it convenient to borrow the term "It" from Nietzsche. Consciousness, the ego, the self, physical illness, neurotic symptoms, and the great or vile works of man were basically manifestations of the It. The It was protean, could divide up, work one portion against others, experiment, build up, be playful, be destructive – finally destructive unto death....

The task for the physician in all illnesses (for Groddeck did not believe in the separation of the organic from the mental) was to gain access by any means to the patient’s It, to influence it in its ways. He himself sought access through the use of diet and massage, and in the process of interpreting symbol, transference, and resistance. But the actual process of cure remained, as he admitted over and over, unknown....


Freud, in his delineation of what would become known as the structural theory, acknowledged his debt to Groddeck....

As a devoted follower of ego psychology and the developmental point of view,3 I believe Groddeck serves a function in reintroducing us to the excitement, terrors, richness, comedies, tragedies, earthiness, and joyfulness of the private worlds of conscious and unconscious fantasy. After all, should not our theories subsume these matters too? In fact, I believe he reintroduces us to the very qualities that fascinated most of us about psychoanalysis in the first place. The Book of the It is rich with examples of universal unconscious fantasies from childhood – precisely those private fantasies and acts that the public observer and the private parent is apt to miss ("mothers really understand very little about their children" [p. 25]).

Groddeck was a lifelong enfant terrible, an insouciant purveyor of shocking home truths. With what joe de vivre does he celebrate everything about infantile sexuality! With what glee puncture the pretensions of hypocrites! With what satisfaction does he announce the certainty – the necessity – that we all contain hatefulness, malice, spite, envy, vanity, and murder. Mother-love, yes, but mother-hate too. "Listen, I am convinced that the child gets born through hatred" (p. 35). Hatred is as valid and necessary as love – as Freud (1915) had pointed out. Blood, excrement, semen – Groddeck celebrates them. He smells what is to be smelled, tastes what is to be tasted. He never lets up on the ruthlessness of his own self-analysis.

Bisexuality? Groddeck, like Freud, insists on its universality. Sadomasochism? exhibitionism, scopophilia? "The truth is that the exhibitionist is in the same class as all those other people labeled with the final ‘-ist,’ with the sadist, the masochist, the fetishist. They are in essence the same as ourselves who call ourselves healthy. The sole difference is that we allow our desires to play only where custom permits, where the ‘-ist’ is out of date" (p. 218).

Masturbation? The mother herself gives the child instruction in masturbation," (by the intimacies exchanged through handling, changing diapers, bathing, etc.) "(She) is obliged to do so (p. 53). But the mother also then forbids it, punishes it. As a consequence, "in large measure, our human world, our culture, was certainly founded on masturbation. And masturbation finally returns, center stage, as the solace for the aged.

Parricide? The oedipal struggles? Castration anxiety? Penis envy? Admitted with tolerance, often with pleasure. All, as Freud knew, are parts of infantile sexuality. None ever renounced, only recognized. Everything human is Groddeck’s province – and he must talk about it. Even his own exhibitionism is taken for granted, with irony....

But he is as willing to face pain as pleasure, to appreciate the ubiquity of guilt and ambivalence, craven fears, the poignancy of loss, the submission to the fate of the unconscious. The craving for pain? "Cruelty is indissolubly linked with love, and red blood is the deepest enchantment for red love" (p.124). For punishment? "And then you come to me with foolishness that children should not be punished? Ah . . . but the child wants to be punished, he yearns for it, he pants for a beating" (p. 123). The talion law always prevails – "the life of man is ruled by the law, ‘as thou to me, so I to thee’" (p. 8). And as for narcissism, "I am what the learned call a narcissist. Narcissism plays a great role in men’s lives. If I had not possessed it to so high a degree, I should not have become what I am" (p. 261).

Groddeck does not allow himself (or us) the balms of ordinary amenities. "Watch anyone when he thinks he is alone; at once you see the child come to the surface, sometimes in very comical fashion. He yawns, or without embarrassment, he scratches his head or his bottom, or he picks his nose, or even – yes, it has got to be said – he lets out wind. The daintiest lady will do so!" (p. 16).

"All these phenomena can be laid bare by the process of free association, by the recognition of the symbol, by understanding dreams. The dream is the speech of the unconscious [p. 37].). By recognizing the ubiquity of resistance and transference. But the laying bare does not produce final answers, and the nature of the unconscious is only barely comprehensible, only partly bearable to comprehend. What a toilsome business it is to speak about the Id. One plucks a string at hazard, and there comes the response, not of a single note, but of many, confusedly mingling and dying away again, or else awakening new echoes, and ever new again, until such an ungoverned medley of sounds is raging that the stammer of speech is lost. Believe me, one cannot speak about the unconscious, one can only stammer, or rather, one can only point out this and that with caution, lest the hell brood of the unconscious world should rush up out of the depths with their wild clangor" (p. 33).

Groddeck’s children are simply reflections of our most intimate and secret selves – no more and no less. We know about these children because we know about ourselves and our patients. "Life begins with childhood, and by a thousand devious paths through maturity attains its single goal, once more to be a child, and the one and only difference between people lies in the fact that some grow childish and childlike" (p. 16).http://www.analysis.com/vs/vs79a.html

most shamanism, as i understand it, taps into the collective unconscious. all the messy stuff: sexuality, aggression, oedipal complex, etc, are present in pre-verbal children, i.e. under the age of three.

so, on one level, i feel the ego is like going to church on sunday for most people: it's a survival guide that keeps us from killing ourselves and each other on a daily basis. when we reach a certain level of understanding about ourselves and the universe, it's no longer useful (kind of like a spiritual appendix lol :) ) unfortunately the ego always projects its unconscious guilt for having the impulses of the id; it always has to have a scapegoat.

Groddecck performed clinical observations on thousands and thousands of toddlers. what he is saying is we ALL are tapped into the "darkside", from the womb (before? i suspect so). it's not just for masons or shamans any more!

this is the psychoanalytic version of Morpheus holding up the battery, imv.

i mean, how deep down the rabbit hole do you guys want to go?

personally, i think what groddeck was describing is exactly what David Icke calls "the god program".

and none of it is who we really are-- infinite Love.

so it appears to me.

[21_12_2012]

A. The masons operate on astrological timetables, they are more than aware of the 2012 date, their schedule is dependent on such alignments.

B. Evolution of consciousness, perhaps is a misnomer, maybe I should've said devolve for the purposes of astral harvest.

C. Have not the mystery schools been fashioning world events and one world order since time immemorial? Why would they back out at the last 100 meters of the marathon?

I think they are trying to capitalize off what is a naturally occuring cycle (like you said), IMO.

I just don't understand, especially about the 'astral harvest'
I just think that 2012 is the end of evil / the matrix, and start of multi dimensional access and age of light..the rest is beyond me.

[21_12_2012]

objectively, why is this any harder to believe than a former football goalie in a velour jogging suit saying he is god? :confused:

I don't think he said "i am god'...he said 'i am the son of god'...or was it 'we are all sons of god'..or both...and i don't know what the problem with his jogging suit is ! Clothes are clothes in my opinion.

likewise, objectively, i believe that e. pirate has blurred the line between the ego and the id:

We're all entitled to our opinions..i just think pirate man is full of it...it's that simple !

[tru3]

I just don't understand, especially about the 'astral harvest'
I just think that 2012 is the end of evil / the matrix, and start of multi dimensional access and age of light..the rest is beyond me.

imo, the end of the mayan calendar is merely a gateway, an opportunity for a new start.

how it turns out will be up to us. :)

[21_12_2012]

imo, the end of the mayan calendar is merely a gateway, an opportunity for a new start.

how it turns out will be up to us. :)

I agree, a doorway...but i also think it's the end of the matrix..the end of this 'awful' thing we call reality.

[tru3]

A. The masons operate on astrological timetables, they are more than aware of the 2012 date, their schedule is dependent on such alignments.

B. Evolution of consciousness, perhaps is a misnomer, maybe I should've said devolve for the purposes of astral harvest.

C. Have not the mystery schools been fashioning world events and one world order since time immemorial? Why would they back out at the last 100 meters of the marathon?

I think they are trying to capitalize off what is a naturally occuring cycle (like you said), IMO.

check, double check and check again. ;)

the operative word is "try". in the immortal words of yoda, "do or do not, there is no try." they're never gonna pull it off; too many plates to keep spinning.

imo.

p.s. devolve is the perfect word!

[mynameis]

The Roman has 10 months. The Gregorian has 12. Sorry we have to roll back the apocalypse a few more years. *rubs hands together*

[thirdwave]

I think the new word is inevitable...

its just a case of people trying to manipulate the change to suet them...

for me its just an attack on man kinds involvement and the development of our ethics...

if we sort our ethics out, then more freedom comes and less control to the elite.... and more releaf for our planet

what I think we are seeing is a war on our consciousness, consciousness which is due to take us into a new great faze in our being.... this consciousness has been attacked and is continuously being manipulated but those who are quite happy with man kind struggling with ethics.

I'm sure the masons have got a new plan, another one of their secrets which benefit them, as for the earth, the only thing thats going to end the planet earth is the continued foolish ignorant actions of the very people who are attacking man kind as well.

[edelweiss pirate]

On another note:
I've also gotten tipped off by a couple of masons I know to go and buy land in certain areas of the US for the new system, or phoenix to emerge in about 4-5 years. I tend to believe them because I've checked out their leads and you can already see different cities being setup as the new financial, political, energy centers being planned (as they always have been).

'New System' is the very phrase I have heard a few times now by these people...

But I tell ya Tesla... these guys are creeeepy and mixed up in all sorts of dodgy stuff...

Egypt is also good apparently... MASSIVE building programme going on at the moment, acres of desert being claimed for use by huge irrigitation schemes..

Really nice people.... If the apocalypse went down for real, most people here wouldn't even notice.... it'd be business as usual, the same crazy shambolic life that somehow works and is actually quite enjoyable... they manage to survive with virtually nothing, they help each other out support each other... I wonder how the west would manage if the power went out....