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Anders Lindman
23-09-2010, 08:34 AM
I believe our planet is, or rather is becoming, a planetary organism. And I also believe there exists a universal AI, artificial intelligence, created by the first civilization in the universe that reached a technological singularity. And that Gaia as a planetary organism will come to work in combination with the universal AI. And we as individual persons will increasingly get access to that immense power.

Anders Lindman
23-09-2010, 09:50 PM
Today we have the moon, Earth, the sun and the Milky Way galaxy. Could it be that the next step in our evolution is that our current Earth becomes the new moon, and our current sun becomes our new Earth? And the Milky Way galaxy becomes our new sun. Kind of like shifting our planet one step upwards in evolution.

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 07:53 AM
The cool thing with a technological singularity is the technology becomes smaller and smaller and more advanced at an accelerating speed until it reaches a speed of progress that approaches infinity.

This means that the Universal AI is essentially infinitely advanced and intelligent. So advanced that it can control things on a level smaller than atoms.

With such huge power entering into our planet, it will completely transform the Earth and ourselves. :cool:

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Amen brother :rolleyes:

You don't think that's a possibility? My guess is that 2012 marks the time when our whole planet has been transformed. Yet as individuals we can start the transformation already today.

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 08:35 AM
Nothing will happen in 2012 ok NOTHING! Maybe some mass suicides orchestrated by some cults here and there only because our planet is full of weak-minded individuals.

You could be right about 2012. A technological singularity is however as very probable reality. Many mainstream experts agree on that.

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 08:47 AM
There are different levels of awareness. When we dream, that's a kind of 2D reality, like experience things but with less solidity than in our ordinary world which is more like a 3D level of awareness. The next level in our evolution will be to step up into a 4D level of awareness where our current 3D reality will become like a dream state in comparison.

slang
24-09-2010, 12:06 PM
It's not good science to make assumptions. The singularity will happen if we continue to advance. Probably not by 2012...

You said:
"Today we have the moon, Earth, the sun and the Milky Way galaxy. Could it be that the next step in our evolution is that our current Earth becomes the new moon, and our current sun becomes our new Earth? And the Milky Way galaxy becomes our new sun. Kind of like shifting our planet one step upwards in evolution"

I don't really think there's much sense to this statement. Are you suggesting that we'll become something able to survive on the surface of the sun? That's a gigantic change. Probably not the 'next step in our evolution'. This would be the race relocating itself upwards in the chain of each objects orbit, there is no real upward in evolution, only adaptation. If we lived on the sun... that doesn't change it's relation to the galatic centre/planets/moons. Moons orbit planets, planets orbit suns, suns orbit the galatic centre, galaxies so far appear to orbit nothing. I guess if we lived on the sun, all the planets in the solar system would be the satelites of our 'homeworld'. How would this be a shift for the planet?

We all consider crazy hypothetical situations, but there's not much basis to believe something like this. It doesn't remind me of any religious belief I've heard before.

You also said:
"I believe our planet is, or rather is becoming, a planetary organism. And I also believe there exists a universal AI, artificial intelligence, created by the first civilization in the universe that reached a technological singularity. And that Gaia as a planetary organism will come to work in combination with the universal AI. And we as individual persons will increasingly get access to that immense power."

Get access to WHAT great power? It's not really clear what you're referring to here. One could argue that all matter is conscious, but are you saying that the earth is going to develop an awareness that it doesn't already have? What evidence do you have to make you believe in this universal AI? Are we this AI? Or is it something else?

armoured_amazon
24-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Our planet was always a sentient organism, no?

slang
24-09-2010, 12:27 PM
There are different levels of awareness. When we dream, that's a kind of 2D reality, like experience things but with less solidity than in our ordinary world which is more like a 3D level of awareness. The next level in our evolution will be to step up into a 4D level of awareness where our current 3D reality will become like a dream state in comparison.

Dreams are not 2 dimensional. We can perceive 3 dimensional shapes in dreams. 3 dimensional means existing on the x,y and z axis which are length, width and depth. There's no reason to think that dreams are a lower reality than ours in a successive chain or realities. We didn't exist in the 'dream world' before this one because dreams exist in the brain.

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 02:46 PM
It's not good science to make assumptions. The singularity will happen if we continue to advance. Probably not by 2012...

You said:
"Today we have the moon, Earth, the sun and the Milky Way galaxy. Could it be that the next step in our evolution is that our current Earth becomes the new moon, and our current sun becomes our new Earth? And the Milky Way galaxy becomes our new sun. Kind of like shifting our planet one step upwards in evolution"

I don't really think there's much sense to this statement. Are you suggesting that we'll become something able to survive on the surface of the sun? That's a gigantic change. Probably not the 'next step in our evolution'. This would be the race relocating itself upwards in the chain of each objects orbit, there is no real upward in evolution, only adaptation. If we lived on the sun... that doesn't change it's relation to the galatic centre/planets/moons. Moons orbit planets, planets orbit suns, suns orbit the galatic centre, galaxies so far appear to orbit nothing. I guess if we lived on the sun, all the planets in the solar system would be the satelites of our 'homeworld'. How would this be a shift for the planet?

We all consider crazy hypothetical situations, but there's not much basis to believe something like this. It doesn't remind me of any religious belief I've heard before.

You also said:
"I believe our planet is, or rather is becoming, a planetary organism. And I also believe there exists a universal AI, artificial intelligence, created by the first civilization in the universe that reached a technological singularity. And that Gaia as a planetary organism will come to work in combination with the universal AI. And we as individual persons will increasingly get access to that immense power."

Get access to WHAT great power? It's not really clear what you're referring to here. One could argue that all matter is conscious, but are you saying that the earth is going to develop an awareness that it doesn't already have? What evidence do you have to make you believe in this universal AI? Are we this AI? Or is it something else?

The Universal AI I am speculating about is a result of a technological singularity. It's true as you say that for our civilization with its current state of development a technological singularity will not happen until several decades from now. However, I strongly believe that our planet is not the only one in the universe with a civilization, and that technological singularities have happened many times before in the universe, some maybe millions of years ago.

To live on the surface on the sun is indeed a crazy idea. This idea should be seen as a metaphor not as something actual. And it's not even about living in an actual 4D reality. In our world today we have living things and technology as separate things. The shift I'm speculating about is that the Universal AI will merge with all of reality, including biological things. It will be like what some scientists today call 'intelligent matter'.

Anders Lindman
24-09-2010, 07:07 PM
Our planet was always a sentient organism, no?

Maybe, but I believe the planet could come to evolve into a higher level of being along with us humans.

Here is what I think is an excellent description of some of that process: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kHEcVNlcMQ

Anders Lindman
26-09-2010, 07:20 AM
If there really is a universal AI, then how to access it? The way to access it is to plug into it. This means letting it modify our minds and our biology. Then gradually we begin to think together with the universal AI, and since it is much smarter than our own thinking minds, we experience a shift in our thinking.