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fransetter
07-11-2007, 03:23 PM
If your dog or cat has been suffering these past few weeks as a result of fireworks like ours have, or you have just had enough of the constant noise night after night. Please sign the petition on the government website and let them know how unhappy you are. Please pass the details of this petition onto everyone you know who is fed up and let's give the powers that be something to think about.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Firework-abuse/

There will be more fireworks this Friday, as the Diwali festival will be in full swing.

norton
07-11-2007, 04:08 PM
but i love fireworks. going to watch the display with my kids was fantastic

mad as a cat
07-11-2007, 07:17 PM
Duly signed:)

sean~infinte
07-11-2007, 08:25 PM
its those c-u-n-t's with the mentality of destruction also selfish but self hatred that go around adding fireworks to there arsenal, living in london i see it every day

is it any wonder the world is the way it is, still they made a choice....

lookfar
07-11-2007, 08:42 PM
Duly signed!

I've been really pissed off with them this year, I don't mind organised displays but the amount that have been going off for the past week or so is dreadful!! It sounds like we're living in a war zone or something!:mad: As well as the environmental issues, the poor animals are scared to death too, my old dog especially. It also annoys me that they're now available to buy from the shops all year round, instead of just for bonfire night.

Anyway, I'll stop ranting now, lol!:o I'm not sure what good signing it will do, but I'm hoping that something positive will come from it & have passed the link onto friends as well.

Thanks for sharing fransetter :)

lottie
07-11-2007, 09:17 PM
Definately! If only it could be kept to one day a year or even just special events....im tempted to say 'licensed/permit' but i'll get shot down inciting 'rules' but its only because people cant use them responsibly!

Saturday evening i had to sit with my friends Golden Retreiver whille she was at work but by the time i got there 6;30pm,they'd already started and he'd already wrecked the house trying to find/dig a place to hide- he'd ripped the lino in her bathroom up- tipped a plant over- pulled all her stuff over-destroyed her bedroom, and was very distressed - i couldnt calm him to i had to use the last resort which was sedation as he was so worked up (i hated doing it)- finally as his heart-rate calmed as the drug started to work- i got him laid with his head on my lap as i massaged his ears trying to disguise the sounds of the bangs which went on for 4hrs! i turned the tv up to 37 on the volume to try to drown it out but he could still hear the loud ones......the poor boy was out of his mind with fear.....finally he was calm but only through the drug i gave him! I was so angry with the people letting the FW off, i thought of all the animals that didnt have someone like me to comfort them and reassure them.......I'll defo be signing!! ;)

fransetter
07-11-2007, 09:23 PM
but i love fireworks. going to watch the display with my kids was fantastic

If you read the petition, it is not against firework displays! Just the abuse. If you are for abuse then don't sign it.

fransetter
07-11-2007, 09:29 PM
Saturday evening i had to sit with my friends Golden Retreiver whille she was at work but by the time i got there 6;30pm,they'd already started and he'd already wrecked the house trying to find/dig a place to hide- he'd ripped the lino in her bathroom up- tipped a plant over- pulled all her stuff over-destroyed her bedroom, and was very distressed - i couldnt calm him to i had to use the last resort which was sedation as he was so worked up (i hated doing it)- finally as his heart-rate calmed as the drug started to work- i got him laid with his head on my lap as i massaged his ears trying to disguise the sounds of the bangs which went on for 4hrs! i turned the tv up to 37 on the volume to try to drown it out but he could still hear the loud ones......the poor boy was out of his mind with fear.....finally he was calm but only through the drug i gave him! I was so angry with the people letting the FW off, i thought of all the animals that didnt have someone like me to comfort them and reassure them.......I'll defo be signing!! ;)

Hi Lottie, a scene repeated up and down the country I'm afraid. One of my poor dogs was so besides herself that she has given herself colitis. Every year I end up with a vets bill as a result of fireworks.

Thanks for signing. It will probably only produce the usual clap trap response from them, but we really have to keep up the pressure to the point of it getting on their nerves.

resistance
07-11-2007, 09:42 PM
Whats wrong with fireworks:confused: i have 3 dogs and a cat and have never had any problems with my pets getting distressed, i for one will not be signing any petition that will give the government yet more control, baning fireworks will achieve nothing:mad: maybe we should ban stupid nanni state petitions instead.

lottie
07-11-2007, 09:42 PM
Hi Lottie, a scene repeated up and down the country I'm afraid. One of my poor dogs was so besides herself that she has given herself colitis. Every year I end up with a vets bill as a result of fireworks.

Thanks for signing. It will probably only produce the usual clap trap response from them, but we really have to keep up the pressure to the point of it getting on their nerves.

Poor old doggy! :(

It frustrates me so! I hope it does help- you never know- the cats one worked- (petition to let the animal welfare lady into the 2012 olympics site to remove all ferrell cats from the area before building):)

catfood
07-11-2007, 09:46 PM
Whats wrong with fireworks:confused: i have 3 dogs and a cat and have never had any problems with my pets getting distressed, i for one will not be signing any petition that will give the government yet more control, baning fireworks will achieve nothing:mad: maybe we should ban stupid nanni state petitions instead.

Im with you on this one:)

lottie
07-11-2007, 09:47 PM
Whats wrong with fireworks:confused: i have 3 dogs and a cat and have never had any problems with my pets getting distressed, i for one will not be signing any petition that will give the government yet more control, baning fireworks will achieve nothing:mad: maybe we should ban stupid nanni state petitions instead.

But how would you feel if they did get distressed?:confused:

resistance
07-11-2007, 10:20 PM
But how would you feel if they did get distressed?:confused:

I would try my best tu make them feel better, put some music on or whatever, i am doing something right because all my pets just snooze through fireworks. signing petitions against fireworks is nuts and just about sums this country and its people up at the moment i am afraid:( It yanks my chain when i hear people that are supposed tu be educated against the system go on about banning things that involve people having fun, why don't they just get a job in government and get lost.

theninja
08-11-2007, 12:34 AM
Why are you all falling to to the trap? Yes of course kids letting of fireworks is a pain!! But to ban it is crazy you are just doing the work of the corrupt Government. The problem isn't with the fireworks, it's the fact that the kids have no respect any more. The firework problem is just the symptom of the disease, the disease is the break down of society. We need to fix the disease not the symptom, by giving our kids a proper education etc.

lookfar
08-11-2007, 12:39 AM
Why are you all falling to to the trap? Yes of course kids letting of fireworks is a pain!! But to ban it is crazy you are just doing the work of the corrupt Government. The problem isn't with the fireworks, it's the fact that the kids have no respect any more. The firework problem is just the symptom of the disease, the disease is the break down of society. We need to fix the disease not the symptom, by giving our kids a proper education etc.

Yeah I agree that the kids do need a proper education & I am trying to do that with my son, but unfortunately it doesn't happen for ALL kids. I personally don't think fireworks should be available all year around, at least that way the kids can't get their hands on them as easily.

lottie
08-11-2007, 12:43 AM
Why are you all falling to to the trap? Yes of course kids letting of fireworks is a pain!! But to ban it is crazy you are just doing the work of the corrupt Government. The problem isn't with the fireworks, it's the fact that the kids have no respect any more. The firework problem is just the symptom of the disease, the disease is the break down of society. We need to fix the disease not the symptom, by giving our kids a proper education etc.

yeah i know :o- i just fell for it after seeing the distress of the dog....i agree with you- it goes against everything i believe, i just wish people could use them (fw's) responsibly but you are right we need to fix the disease not the symptom....

lemonique
08-11-2007, 01:28 AM
Here in New Zealand fireworks are only available for a couple of weeks before Guy Fawkes (thank goodness).
I also believe in the freedom to use them but..

There's a 'new' variety of 'banger' available at the moment that goes up like a rocket, displays pretty golden stars then, BANG!!!!!!! The neighbours in their innocence have been letting these off willy nilly and having much fun, except that they go BANG!!!!! right over our house :mad: So.. that particular firework should be banned at least. The bang is as loud as a rifle going off 20feet away, very loud!
We have the public fireworks display every year at the New Brighton Pier which is great, and we are now allowed to use crackers and such in our backyards which is I suppose better than the ban we had a couple of years ago. It's just those noisy ones that should go. It would be tempting to aim those ones at the 'neighbour from Hell' I suppose :D

Cheers

i_am
08-11-2007, 01:47 AM
They are banned for sale in Australia and I think it sucks. The joy we had as kids has been taken away from kids today. Yes it is true that there will always be those who cause havoc but to deny everyone else is gestapo tactics IMO. People drive cars irresponsibly, and I wager more get hurt with cars than fw, but they have not banned cars ...yet :D

I know it can be stressful for the animals but I always brought mine inside (on organised fw nights) and kept them calm from the get go. My little dog used to stress a bit but I just cuddled her and made her feel protected. If you know they are going to get upset a sedative might be in order. it isn't as though you do it all the time.

They are still available in the territories for two days before the official fw night but I believe that is going to change soon.

I don't believe they should be available all year though. The poor animals should not have to put up with thatand I agree the really loud ones should not be available to the public. Too much fun :D

fransetter
08-11-2007, 11:16 AM
Whats wrong with fireworks:confused: i have 3 dogs and a cat and have never had any problems with my pets getting distressed, i for one will not be signing any petition that will give the government yet more control, baning fireworks will achieve nothing:mad: maybe we should ban stupid nanni state petitions instead.

Perhaps YOU and the likes would like to pay my vets bills then? currently standing at £120 for treatments which would not be required if people weren't so stupid with explosives! If you like fireworks and the freedom to use them, then take them somewhere else where they are not going to interfere with the lives of others or at the very least watch those which aren't so F**ing noisy!

I have two dogs which aren't afraid, but that is NO excuse for those who are! I sometimes think this planet would be a far happier place if there were no selfish humans who couldn't give a monkeys. It has nothing to do with giving control freaks even more power.

peachped
08-11-2007, 11:21 AM
Why have you paid £120 to the vets?

revolutionary_jam
08-11-2007, 11:24 AM
call me a kill joy but i think fireworks should be for public displays only, people should have to apply fora liscence for the event then everyone in the area could come along, otherwise it's just plain a waste of resources

fransetter
08-11-2007, 11:24 AM
I would try my best tu make them feel better, put some music on or whatever, i am doing something right because all my pets just snooze through fireworks.

It has NOTHING to do with doing things right. It is the physical make up of the animals concerned. If it comes down to "doing it right" how do you explain that I have two who are frightened out of their lives and two who aren't. How do you explain other households who have 4 who aren't bothered and one who has to be sedated? Another household with a pack where one has to be sedated? Just consider yourself bloody fortunate that yours are ok. Try living with those who are afraid and see just how bad it can be. GET REAL!

We have music playing, we have indoor cages for them to hide themselves away in. I do not sedate mine. One is hypothyroid and sound sensitive because of his condition, what do you say to him? "oh you have to lump it dog because I like fireworks and don't want the government having even more powers?" The truth is that the government don't WANT to legislate. There is too much money in fireworks, indeed an MP from a neighbouring town owns a firework factory.

Take your fireworks out into the ocean and watch and listen to them there!
Either that or start sending me and others some money to cover the stress realated illness vets fees!

fransetter
08-11-2007, 11:30 AM
They are banned for sale in Australia and I think it sucks. The joy we had as kids has been taken away from kids today. Yes it is true that there will always be those who cause havoc

Which reminds me. A friend of mine in Oz lost one of her dogs the year before last when one of the illegal crackers exploded over the top of her house and the panic which ensued lead to the poor animal getting caught up in something and being de-capitated.

How would any of you firework lovers feel to witness that?

I have no problem with fireworks. There are plenty which don't BANG. There are also some which crack instead of bang, which don't cause distress. But oh no, the louder the better as far as the chavs are concerned!

fransetter
08-11-2007, 11:35 AM
Why have you paid £120 to the vets?

Consultations x 2 for one dog
Consultation x 1 for the other fearful dog
anti-biotics to calm the colitis x 2
Re-hydration packages because of the diarrhea.

With more fireworks expected for tomorrow (Diwali) this could end up worse. Also I have previously lost a dog through gastric torsion which was caused by stress from fireworks. Within 3 days of fireworks/thunderstorms he would bloat. In the end a full twist of his stomach killed him.

In those days I had two dog, one was fearful and one was not.

I also worked for many years in veterinary surgery's and saw for myself the number of stress related conditions which increase at this time every year.

fransetter
08-11-2007, 11:41 AM
Sorry for getting stressed out. Somebody has to stand up for the suffering which goes on every year. There is a vast difference between responsible handling of fireworks, and the mindless moronic crap which has to be endured. No doubt the Dog Lost website will have it's usual catalogue of missing dogs who were scared by a firework which was let off at mid day in the middle of a park. Every year you read how they ended up "going over the rainbow bridge" because they ended up under a car as they bolted across a road.

To those who don't want legislation, what are you going to propose instead? Nothing no doubt. Just turn a blind eye and deaf ear because you are alright - mate!

resistance
08-11-2007, 11:50 AM
yeah i know :o- i just fell for it after seeing the distress of the dog....i agree with you- it goes against everything i believe, i just wish people could use them (fw's) responsibly but you are right we need to fix the disease not the symptom....

Fair play tu yu lottie:) for seeing sense, its nice when somebody goes back on what they think or say, a true sign of a free spirit my darling;) as for fransetter all that i can say is carry on as yu please:) can anybody remember when kids used tu play games and football in the streets, it was stupid negative minded killjoys that supported the governments that put a stop tu that, where will all this end? how many no ball game signs are up in your area? do yu get what i am saying?

resistance
08-11-2007, 11:58 AM
Perhaps YOU and the likes would like to pay my vets bills then? currently standing at £120 for treatments which would not be required if people weren't so stupid with explosives! If you like fireworks and the freedom to use them, then take them somewhere else where they are not going to interfere with the lives of others or at the very least watch those which aren't so F**ing noisy!

I have two dogs which aren't afraid, but that is NO excuse for those who are! I sometimes think this planet would be a far happier place if there were no selfish humans who couldn't give a monkeys. It has nothing to do with giving control freaks even more power.

Frans mate, yu need a holiday:rolleyes:

fransetter
08-11-2007, 05:59 PM
Frans mate, yu need a holiday:rolleyes:

Speak for yourself. Looks to me like you are on a permanent holiday, where cuckoo's sing all day and fluffy pink cloudies race across a deep blue sky.

Nice to know that there are so many selfish bastards out there who couldn't give a toss.

As for kids playing football out on the streets. Perhaps they ought to start doing it again. Plenty of streets around here for them to get mown down on! Any kid stupid enough to play football on the streets of today would get what they deserve. Perhaps that would be a good way to rid our area of chavs with their fireworks! I think that might be a better alternative to the government acting ...... don't you agree?

Anyway muppet. You would have loved the firework display and the accompanying huge bangs which echoed all across town between 12.20pm and 12.45 today. What a shame I had just let my dogs off the leash for a good run! Did I have any warning this was going to happen? not on your life I didn't.

Would you like to meet me, my dogs, and my friends dogs out in the park tomorrow lunchtime? We would all LOVE to meet YOU!!! Particularly the Rottie who is most afraid of fireworks!!!! ;)

resistance
09-11-2007, 04:11 PM
Make that 2 holidays then:):rolleyes: one of my dogs actually enjoys watching fireworks, i might try and train him tu light some rockets for the new year... home made ones of coarse with the extra big bang...

fransetter
09-11-2007, 07:25 PM
Make that 2 holidays then:):rolleyes: one of my dogs actually enjoys watching fireworks, i might try and train him tu light some rockets for the new year... home made ones of coarse with the extra big bang...

Well, for you information, a dog was killed yesterday as a result of the impromptu mid-day display in the town. Not just any old dog which was owned by somebody I had read about on a dog lost website.

This was a dog that we knew and loved. I got the news early this afternoon. He evidently ran out of the park where the display was being carried out and went under a car. Perhaps you would like to relate your stupid opinions to Samantha who owned and loved him and spent so much time training and rehabilitating him after he had been severely abused in a previous home!

Of course that wouldn't mean a lot to you to know that this lady is now devasted, and those who knew and loved Bertie are totally shocked. I had a feeling something awful would happen and mentioned to a friend that I was concerned a dog would have taken panic. It is even worse to find out it happened to somebody you know.

I won't comment on here again. I think I have more than read enough. Thanks to everyone who took the trouble to sign the petition. At least I feel I have done something to help dogs such as Bertie.

razed1
09-11-2007, 07:30 PM
If your dog or cat has been suffering these past few weeks as a result of fireworks like ours have, or you have just had enough of the constant noise night after night. Please sign the petition on the government website and let them know how unhappy you are. Please pass the details of this petition onto everyone you know who is fed up and let's give the powers that be something to think about.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Firework-abuse/

There will be more fireworks this Friday, as the Diwali festival will be in full swing.

your just helping the govt restrict freedom of ppl

you cant put up with fireworks for a few nights a year???

why give the govt more control over what you can and cant do???

norton
10-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Whats wrong with fireworks:confused: i have 3 dogs and a cat and have never had any problems with my pets getting distressed, i for one will not be signing any petition that will give the government yet more control, baning fireworks will achieve nothing:mad: maybe we should ban stupid nanni state petitions instead.

i totally agree with this. The amount of pathetic online petitions (such as 'make banger racing an olympic sport' and the like) just takes away from serious petitions. it's no wonder the government take little to no notice of these petitions cos there is so much shit flying around. Is banning fireworks going to help the development of the human race???

lottie
10-11-2007, 11:37 AM
i totally agree with this. The amount of pathetic online petitions (such as 'make banger racing an olympic sport' and the like) just takes away from serious petitions. it's no wonder the government take little to no notice of these petitions cos there is so much shit flying around. Is banning fireworks going to help the development of the human race???

I expect the government love petitions like these as it shows them how distracted we all are by trivial things!

I dont agree with fireworks being 'banned' as such, but i wish to hell people could just use them responsibly but alas we do not live in an ideal world- i dont agree with imposing more rules/laws but what do we do about the use of fw's when they are distressing animals? Animals are my big-love, possibly verging on more so than humans, so to see them distressed is heartbreaking and makes me want to consider options for protecting!!

Whats the solution....:confused:

:)

norton
10-11-2007, 12:09 PM
the solution? Grow up??? sorry to be so blunt, but i ALWAYS put humans before animals. i have had many pets in my life and my dog was scared of fireworks, but you know, i didn't try to spoil anyone else's fun. i just cuddled my dog on the sofa and he would be fine. Sure he'd bark and freak out and stuff, but you know, IT'S JUST A DOG!!!!

lottie
10-11-2007, 12:17 PM
the solution? Grow up??? sorry to be so blunt, but i ALWAYS put humans before animals. i have had many pets in my life and my dog was scared of fireworks, but you know, i didn't try to spoil anyone else's fun. i just cuddled my dog on the sofa and he would be fine. Sure he'd bark and freak out and stuff, but you know, IT'S JUST A DOG!!!!

I strongly disagree- its not JUST a dog!!

This comment from David Icke has stuck in my mind for years and i totally agree!

‘As we treat animals, so we will treat people - the same lack of empathy and compassion is responsible for both' - David Icke

norton
10-11-2007, 12:53 PM
i'm not saying i don't like dogs, and that specific dog i mentioned was my best friend for 15 years, never be closer to a human as i was with that dog, but at the same time IT'S JUST A DOG!!! you can't sacrifice something people enjoy beacause of an animals sensitive hearing. And if you put animals above humans....well, all i can say is get some real friends

resistance
10-11-2007, 05:36 PM
i totally agree with this. The amount of pathetic online petitions (such as 'make banger racing an olympic sport' and the like) just takes away from serious petitions. it's no wonder the government take little to no notice of these petitions cos there is so much shit flying around. Is banning fireworks going to help the development of the human race???

Thats right and if some people have got nothing better to do than whip up pathetic petitions that also effect another fun liberty then i have no respect for them what so ever, i think these type of people should look for better things to protest about that might actually one day make the world a better place or maybe they are government sympathizers that decoy people from the real issues? At the end of the day people fireworks are the least of our worries and your pets worries for that matter, and that view doesn't make me any less caring or responsible Than the people who would like to see them banned, in fact when yu think of my reasoning behind my view on this it makes me more caring ;)