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funnybones

19-09-2010, 02:38 PM

corbettw writes "I haven't seen this anywhere yet. I got an email from American Airlines detailing a new requirement imposed on them by the Department of Homeland Security. Starting November 1, all passengers in the US will have to submit their personal information (including full name, date of birth, and gender) to DHS, through their airline or travel agent, at least 72 hours in advance. This means you can no longer fly anywhere in the US with less than three-days notice. Did your mother have a stroke and you have to rush to be by her side? Too bad. What about that client two states over who needs some facetime or else they'll bolt to your competitor? Kiss them good-bye. Or do you just want to go to Vegas and have a wild weekend on the spur of the moment? Well, maybe next weekend, instead. Don't you feel so much safer now?

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=16355830
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/secureFlight.jsp?anchorLocation=DirectURL&title=secureflight

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse....

phemohilia

19-09-2010, 02:44 PM

It's nice to see that they're tightening the grip that they have on our sack, at least they're consistent!! :mad:

codie

19-09-2010, 02:46 PM

It's nice to see that they're tightening the grip that they have on our sack, at least they're consistent!! :mad:

Yep agreed Phem.

windeyaho

20-09-2010, 08:15 AM

When I was made to feel like a criminal in the terminal and I wasn't even boarding, just seeing a friend off, I decided I would never fly again. I don't like it anyway and allows for too much contamination from other people's colds.

However, I've tried to warn people around me that TPTB were going to really crack down on our freedom of travel. When they instituted passports just to go from the USA to Canada or Mexico I knew I was right. Next it will be a special travel card just to go from state to state. They want to know where we are at all times and what we are doing.

The last time I saw this kind of paranoia it was justified, i.e. the 3rd Reich. They KNEW they were heading for a fall. . .

joel1212

20-09-2010, 08:54 AM

this won't work you understand this right?
all the business people that need to fly out for business meetings that pop up?
nah there has to be more to this

amaralsright

20-09-2010, 09:10 AM

this won't work you understand this right?
all the business people that need to fly out for business meetings that pop up?
nah there has to be more to this

Absolutely.

This will make business impossible and they are not going to do that.

the apprentice

20-09-2010, 10:35 AM

void

20-09-2010, 12:13 PM

UK has been attempting to bring this in fully since 2004.

E-Borders. I used to bring it up a lot on here ages back, but got little feedback.

The UK Adaption of the European E-Border idea, was until recently being installed by Raytheon Systems (Video) which is a U.S Company also involved in Military hardware and the so called 'Homeland Security' over the in U.S. Luckily the full installation of E-Borders here has hit massive problems due to delays in installation by Raytheon, and that whole thing isn't operational as much as they'd hoped by now. Still though, when you book flights and ferrys in this country, your identification info is passed on to the UK Border Agency. Currently it doesn't cover Coaches (as far as I know) but even hopes to cover private boats. Basically, making this Island into a complete Alcatraz with an interest in keeping people IN never mind who is COMING in . It was supposed to be really well established by 2010, but Raytheon systems was simply too slow and they've been booted (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/22/raytheon_eborders/).

And if you want to know what info UKBA holds on you (http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/navigation/personal-data/), you have to PAY them £10.

Other Links :

* E-Borders : The New Frontier of Oppression (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/libby_purves/article5913445.ece) (Article from 2009)
* E-Borders : Dangerous Confusion, Biometrics, etc (http://dematerialisedid.com/BCSL/eBorders.html). (Letter of Concern - 2008)
* Questions over Legaltiy of E-borders. UK Insists it can ignore E.U Law (http://www.silicon.com/management/public-sector/2009/12/21/questions-asked-over-legality-of-e-borders-data-gathering-39716351/) (2009)
* The Illegal E-Border Disaster (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/dec/18/illegal-eborders-disaster-it-profession) (2009)
* Coalition Government stays Mum on the Future of E-Borders (http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-management/2010/08/17/government-stays-mum-on-e-borders-future-40089835/) (2010)

planetsadhana

20-09-2010, 12:34 PM

[QUOTE=windeyaho

However, I've tried to warn people around me that TPTB were going to really crack down on our freedom of travel. When they instituted passports just to go from the USA to Canada or Mexico I knew I was right. Next it will be a special travel card just to go from state to state. They want to know where we are at all times and what we are doing.

. . .[/QUOTE]

The curtailment of travel is an ace in their pack...tiptoe..tiptoe

ponzi nemesis

20-09-2010, 09:12 PM

[...]This means you can no longer fly anywhere in the US with less than three-days notice. Did your mother have a stroke and you have to rush to be by her side? Too bad. What about that client two states over who needs some facetime or else they'll bolt to your competitor? Kiss them good-bye. Or do you just want to go to Vegas and have a wild weekend on the spur of the moment? Well, maybe next weekend, instead. Don't you feel so much safer now?[...]

Here's the '.gov' website just to confirm:

http://www.tsa.gov/what_we_do/layers/secureflight/index.shtm

Secure Flight is a program developed by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in response to a key 9/11 Commission recommendation: uniform watch list matching by TSA.

The timing is very interesting. I worked in a 'US sales culture' environment for years and fb's mention above of the frequent perceived need for last-minute flights is very real. At the same time we have the 'Building What?' campaign which looks like it could really start to shake things up, especially in NY:

http://buildingwhat.org/

'Building What?' has a building seven focus. I assume most reading this will be very familiar with that story (if not their website is a good place to start; ae911truth.org (http://ae911truth.org) for more detail). However new information demolishing (pun intended) the 'official' conspiracy theory of the 9/11 Commission Report is appearing all the time. For example there is incredible information in this thread:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=133535

My point is that this DHS madness will piss a lot of influential people in the US off, increasing their willingness to challenge the orthodoxy behind it, i.e. the threat from on-board hijackers, just as more than ever will be becoming aware of how little sense that orthodoxy makes.

We could see critical mass being reached very soon now; the tenth anniversary of 9/11 next year could open the floodgates altogether, if the dam hasn't already been completely breached before then; let's hold that vision in our minds, and continue our advocacy of course, and make it happen!

andyh

20-09-2010, 10:19 PM

Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard lol.
If it's not a misprint then you lot in the US had best pack your bags and run for the hills.

funnybones

20-09-2010, 10:33 PM

Thats the craziest thing I've ever heard lol.
If it's not a misprint then you lot in the US had best pack your bags and run for the hills.

LoL

We used to different but they have said at some fema meetings the founding fathers we're in fact the very first terrorists of this nation and this is why we need to change. You can see the agenda of the nwo right in our face but yet a large group of people still remain clueless.

FEMA Says Founding Fathers Are Terrorists - YouTube

andyh

20-09-2010, 10:43 PM

LoL

We used to different but they have said at some fema meetings the founding fathers we're in fact the very first terrorists of this nation and this is why we need to change. You can see the agenda of the nwo right in our face but yet a large group of people still remain clueless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

The founding fathers would turn in their graves to witness whats happening now.
Demanding prior notice of travel arrangements would be a classic precursor for something very sinister. It's definitely on the AA website, I'm surprised there's no MSM articles as yet? Unless it's been missed.

phemohilia

20-09-2010, 10:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPg9MdN9Gio

Somebody needs to switch to decaf..... ;)

funnybones

20-09-2010, 10:59 PM

The founding fathers would turn in their graves to witness whats happening now.
Demanding prior notice of travel arrangements would be a classic precursor for something very sinister. It's definitely on the AA website, I'm surprised there's no MSM articles as yet? Unless it's been missed.

Could be but check out this email I found on another page.

Dear BikeHelmet,

You have to some time ago lufthansa.com booked a flight that is by the new regulations of the U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) affected. Your reservation has the reference code 123ABC.

The U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) requires that your full name, birth date and gender for the watch lists-review pursuant to 49 USC Section 114, the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act (Act to reform the intelligence services and terrorism prevention) of 2004 and specify 49 CFR, Parts 1540 and 1560.

We would therefore ask you to supplement that data necessary for your trip on the occasion in your reservation. You can do this online at lufthansa.com by choosing the option on the home page, My Booking 'and enter with your last name and the reference codes of the reservation. Follow the link and then capture, entry and visa information 'to add to the data of your company added.

Please enter the data at least 72 hours before departure to avoid cancellation of your booking.

For more information about the TSA, Secure Flight' rules can be found online at www.tsa.gov.

Thank you for your help

Yours sincerely,
Lufthansa your Internet Service Center
Riccardo Völzke
.
Registered office: German Lufthansa AG, Cologne
Registration: Amtsgericht Köln HR B 2168
Chairman of the Board: Dipl.-Ing. Dr.-Ing.
E.h. Jürgen Weber
Management Board: Wolfgang Mayrhuber (Chairman / Chairman), Stephan Gemkow, Stefan Lauer
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles-more-lufthansa-austrian-swiss-other-partners/1121311-ticket-no-middle-name-tsa-secure-flight-data-sfpd-2.html

kiwimaj

20-09-2010, 11:51 PM

What's all the fuss, they already have ALL your personal details when you travel, either at a minute's notice or a month...some of you may have already heard or experienced the use of such draconian, BB powers...it also involves the use of...BB documentation with the added bonus of a chip to track your travel plans. Also, if you happen to have the mobile GPS tracking system on you as well, (mobile telephone..thingy..) you are already tracked..and it has actually been going on for a number of years, so nothing new really...it's a simple thing, something nearly every person on the planet already has in their possesion..

In case some of you are a little behind with the (roman) times, I will put a piccie up for you to download...(in case you can't understand stuff unless it is in visual format..)..:rolleyes:..

http://www.amitbhawani.com/career/Images/Passport/Uk-Passport-Informat-Guide.jpg

:D

void

20-09-2010, 11:56 PM

Passports certainly aren't something new, I agree.

But why the attitude? :confused:

andyh

20-09-2010, 11:56 PM

What's all the fuss,

The fuss is that this specifically forbids air travel at all without 3 days notice.
Of course they already have everyones info, that's just a sideshow because as you clearly point out, they already have everyones info anyway.

What worries me is, why would they want to stop people having the ability to fly at short notice?

kiwimaj

21-09-2010, 12:12 AM

The fuss is that this specifically forbids air travel at all without 3 days notice.
Of course they already have everyones info, that's just a sideshow because as you clearly point out, they already have everyones info anyway.

What worries me is, why would they want to stop people having the ability to fly at short notice?

..maybe it's getting the masses use to no fly at short notice, then it will be manditory for everyone to submit their plans way in advance for any travel...ultimately making it prohibitive for the sheeple masses to fly..anywhere..only those that are in charge will actually be able to fly off anywhere they want...

..first it's the totally fabricated fire ridden 'terrorist' that made those in charge so scared they had to implement body scanners, next (now listen very carefully children..) we will have to competely regulate every sheeples' travel plans in case one of YOU is an actual "terrorist" so that every other sheeple is protected..

..I wonder how many of the masses actually consider this..

If the pTB that control and safeguard our countries' were strong and fit and truly protecting US, the 'terrorist threat' would never even be mentioned..simply because...if we indeed have a very advanced, protective system in place, no third world, pathetic muslim ( :rolleyes:) country, would ever have any power over us anyway, we are completely advanced and strong to deflect anything that comes our way, so you, the citizen are completely safeguarded...

http://www.robartgallery.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/FLYING_PIGS.55163940_std.jpg

In other words, if we are safeguarded by our leaders, then there should be no fear...indeed...;)

:cool:

ponzi nemesis

21-09-2010, 12:18 AM

What's all the fuss, they already have ALL your personal details when you travel, either at a minute's notice or a month...[...]

You seem to be missing the point. Look at the title of the thread again:

DHS Requires Your Travel Plans 72 Hours in Advance

It's not about the 'personal details', it's about the 'travel plans' and the '72 hours in advance'.

You receive a call in LA; your mother has had a stroke in NY. It's Saturday afternoon, the travel agents are all closed. Let's make it worst case; you're not 'net-savy' so have to wait until Monday to do anything.

You go see a travel agent Monday morning. They tell you you can't travel until Thursday morning at the earliest because of this new rule. Your mum dies four days after the stroke on Wednesday evening. You were not there.

How about you're a businessman who has a meeting in Chicago on Monday afternoon, planned weeks in advance, then another in Dallas Thursday morning, ditto. Both are aimed at closing deals that are between your company and a competitor from Europe.

Monday afternoon you turn up to see the Chicago customer but learn there and then that Bob, critical to the decision-making process, can't make it until the next day. You had a flight back to Boston, where you live, booked for that evening.

Now the *only* way you can stay in Chicago an extra day to see Bob will involve either staying there until Thursday afternoon, unless you are prepared to drive instead!

So what are you going to do? Lose the Chicago deal (the European competitor is meeting with them Tuesday and they are ready to sign), lose the deal in Dallas (the Europeans are seeing them Friday), or are you going to drive thousands of miles?

I see a lot more auto accidents as anyone who needs to travel at short notice takes to the road. The business guys will all be using their cellular phones while driving too, making things worse!

God help America!

kiwimaj

21-09-2010, 12:35 AM

You seem to be missing the point. Look at the title of the thread again:

DHS Requires Your Travel Plans 72 Hours in Advance

It's not about the 'personal details', it's about the 'travel plans' and the '72 hours in advance'.

You receive a call in LA; your mother has had a stroke in NY. It's Saturday afternoon, the travel agents are all closed. Let's make it worst case; you're not 'net-savy' so have to wait until Monday to do anything.

You go see a travel agent Monday morning. They tell you you can't travel until Thursday morning at the earliest because of this new rule. Your mum dies four days after the stroke on Wednesday evening. You were not there.

How about you're a businessman who has a meeting in Chicago on Monday afternoon, planned weeks in advance, then another in Dallas Thursday morning, ditto. Both are aimed at closing deals that are between your company and a competitor from Europe.

Monday afternoon you turn up to see the Chicago customer but learn there and then that Bob, critical to the decision-making process, can't make it until the next day. You had a flight back to Boston, where you live, booked for that evening.

Now the *only* way you can stay in Chicago an extra day to see Bob will involve either staying there until Thursday afternoon, unless you are prepared to drive instead!

So what are you going to do? Lose the Chicago deal (the European competitor is meeting with them Tuesday and they are ready to sign), lose the deal in Dallas (the Europeans are seeing them Friday), or are you going to drive thousands of miles?

I see a lot more auto accidents as anyone who needs to travel at short notice takes to the road. The business guys will all be using their cellular phones while driving too, making things worse!

God help America!

Thank you ponzi nemesis for detailing in such a way we can all understand and taking the time to post this...:)

What, in your opinion has brought all these extra 'secruity' measure on then? Some false flag BS?

It's actually quite amazing what the sheeple will put up with if they are told of new travel implimentations...companies WILL fall into line, CEO's and other VIPs will no doubt be able to get around this ruling, the rest of the populus will just fall into line...in the name of "anti-terorrism"...:rolleyes: It is truly amazing what the sheeple WILL put up with...

OR...

As other posters have pointed out, from a merely business point of view, this is unworkable...scaremongering??

:cool:

measle_weasel

21-09-2010, 12:50 AM

ponzi nemesis

21-09-2010, 02:04 AM

Thank you ponzi nemesis for detailing in such a way we can all understand and taking the time to post this...:)

Thank you for appreciating my post, though greatest respect should go to funnybones for starting this thread.

What, in your opinion has brought all these extra 'secruity' measure on then? Some false flag BS?

Yes, exactly; it all stems from 9/11. This is not just my opinion; the US government has explicitly stated as much as I detailed in this earlier post (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059256086&postcount=10).

It's actually quite amazing what the sheeple will put up with if they are told of new travel implimentations...companies WILL fall into line, CEO's and other VIPs will no doubt be able to get around this ruling, the rest of the populus will just fall into line...in the name of "anti-terorrism"...:rolleyes: It is truly amazing what the sheeple WILL put up with...

I don't know if this will apply to private jets; probably not. However few sales organisations can afford to fly all their account managers around privately so this certainly will impact negatively on US business interests.

As other posters have pointed out, from a merely business point of view, this is unworkable...scaremongering??

I think this is all part of a process that will help the 9/11 debate, thus far smouldering under the surface, to finally erupt into the mainstream conciousness, as I detailed in that earlier post in this thread (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059256086&postcount=10).

The Universe/God/Love/Karma/The Collective Subconscious/Call-It-What-You Like moves in a mysterious way. Credit to William Cowper for coming up with this back in 1779; it's from a hymn entitled "Light Shining out of Darkness":

God moves in a mysterious way
his wonders to perform;
He plants his footsteps in the sea,
and rides upon the storm.

Deep in unfathomable mines
of never failing skill,
He treasures up his bright designs
and works his sovereign will.

You fearful saints, fresh courage take;
the clouds you so much dread
Are big with mercy and shall break
in blessings on your head.

His purposes will ripen fast,
unfolding every hour;
The bud may have a bitter taste,
but sweet will be the flower.

Blind unbelief is sure to err
and scan his work in vain:
God is his own interpreter,
and he will make it plain.

Substitute whatever version of the 'we are all one' idea you are most comfortable with for the word 'God' in there, be it 'Global Consciousness', 'The Universe' or whatever, and hopefully you'll see where I am coming from here. We, those questing after 'the truth', are the 'saints' in case that isn't clear, and events such as the developments detailed in this thread, and even 9/11 itself, form the 'clouds'.

For those baffled as to what I am going on about take a look at this research from Princeton:

If you want somewhat academic text and graphs: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/williams/GCP911.html
If you prefer easier-to-digest video: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/8588/9_11_and_the_Global_Consciousness_Project__GCP_/

Where this work gets very interesting is when you realise that the random event generators those Princeton scientists were monitoring started to show aberrant output 5 hours before the first 'plane struck, or at least appeared to strike, on 9/11.

There are other, similar, results out of Princeton that suggest, rather than our combined emotions being a 'response' to events such as 9/11 they are, perhaps, the 'cause'. You'll find this idea in a lot of spiritual disciplines too, 'A Course in Miracles' being an excellent example.

Most people have been 'sleeping' for a long time. All these events we blame on the NWO agenda could well be our collective subconscious 'moving in a mysterious way' to wake us all up, just in time for the final stages of the Mayan calendar to unfold. This idea certainly gives a deeper meaning to the phrase '9/11 was an inside job' :)

phemohilia

21-09-2010, 02:12 AM

People should get organized in the thousands and get petitions together and try to get as many signatures as possible (millions would be nice) and take it to newspapers/news stations and even email the airlines with the results and say "Look here, THIS many people are boycotting airplane travel until this senseless infringement on our rights can be rectified!!"

And what about thousands of people protesting outside of airports with picket-signs? Surely these types of things have been thought about before?? Maybe not.... :(

One thing's for sure though, it's going to take ACTION. And by a LOT of people, too!!

amusedone

21-09-2010, 03:27 AM

..Merikas fucked mate.