Problem-Reaction-Turn This Forum Into Pay-Only?

[father_pyramid]

Bare with me here, I just had a thought about all this bullshit going on lately with the trolls from other forums coming around here. No mean to stir shit up, just a thought that I really want to put out there, just in case, for the sake of this forum remaining free.

I belong to another forum community, and have for a long time (6 years). A music discussion forum(mostly progressive, jazz, metal, classical).
It started as Dream Theater's Official forum. Then the community overtime expanded from dream theater to other music and people got the forum
removed from Dream Theater's website for degrading the band and not talking about the band much. So we opened an unofficial dream theater message board. But we were all nazi-ishly ran, because dream theater still had some control on us for us using their name. Overtime we relized we have no need to be associated with dream theater, but some still wanted to be, as it was the only dream theater message board on the web, and they were "fan boys". So that forum split into 2 new forums. One of them is where I am a member. We are not associated with dream theater. We are around 1000 members. (all this may be irrelevant, but like i said, just bare with me)

Anyways, I was just thinking how all these people come and attack this forum. Some members of the community I'm with now does this at time to time. A group of them will go to forums where they think have the craziest ideas (flatearthsociety) and just fuck around to get banned and disrupt the community. It makes them feel good about themselves. They are ignorant of anything that matters that they need to do this kind of thing for entertainment. They think it's funny how "nazi" other sites are for banning when they pretend to care like Tiswas or whoever else, and how "free" they are cause they have such slack rules ath their forum. But that's cause the only people they have to worry about banning is people within their community. They don't need rules cause they have no outsider problems. We do have a problem here and it seems to me to almost be an organized effort to make the David Icke forum into a pay only forum. Because that, I was thinking, seems to be the solution that will "solve" the outside problem we have. To clarify, by outsider I don't mean honest curious visitor, i mean these assholes who come and attack the site from other forums.

It's problem-reaction-solution. We can't fall into this trap. The freedom and open-ness of these ideas at this place is excellent. We must keep it free to all. It is very important that these discussions, perspectives and information are available for free. I understand Daivd and everyone must make a living, and understand why they must charge for many things, but at the very least, a forum of discussion of these issues MUST remain open and be free.

I would suggest some sort of a task force to spot and ban these people. If they know this they may become more secretive, knowing we're watching for them, all for their amusement. We must completely ignore them, and not engage in their baiting. But honestly I don't know, I'm really thinking out loud here, so I'll just leave this all at that.

[limelady]

Hello father_pyramid, I have to admit these are thoughts I have had myself in recent times. I feel the forum is out of its infancy stage and is now at a cross-roads where decisions need to be made as to how it will proceed and evolve further. Whatever happens, clearly some changes are necessary at this point.

But at the end of the day it is up to Sean and DI himself as to how they would like to go from here on.

[father_pyramid]

I really hope we don't give in to these outsiders. I'm sure not ready to. We may have to put up with alot of turmoil because of the content of these matters, but we should expect that, and continue to fight for whats right, and never give in.

[iro_]

well if it was still readable by non subscribers it would be a viable option

it would also be a good business decision as the £3 a month would then be more of a worthwhile investment for people to make as they get access to a community resource and a newsletter whilst knowing that their contribution is helping pay the bills to keep this place running.

no troll would bother you again here.

if they did... what loser will pay to insult someone - you can laugh at them in pity! :confused:

[father_pyramid]

well if it was still readable by non subscribers it would be a viable option

it would also be a good business decision as the £3 a month would then be more of a worthwhile investment for people to make as they get access to a community resource and a newsletter whilst knowing that their contribution is helping pay the bills to keep this place running.

no troll would bother you again here.

if they did... what loser will pay to insult someone - you can laugh at them in pity! :confused:

:( but then, I wouldn't be able to post.

What about like... one of the many boards be free(general), whilst the others pay. Or something like that. At least?

[iro_]

relax man, im not sean or David icke, my thoughts arent reality :p

[eternal_spirit]

This issue was raised by david barstis a premier subscriber. He wanted two forums one that people who pay use and a free one. Or was it a premier subscribers section?

[somewarez]

I agree but at the same time If I looked about I could find a similar community for free... I am unemployed/sick benefit atm and yes £3 might not seem much but in my grand scheme of things it actually adds up :(

I am not against it, but I don't think circumstances are that bad that it is needed atm.

Ok lets have a little foreplay (noooo not dirty ;) ) Lets say the forum closed down its highest posting areas to public viewing. That may increase subscriptions, but at the same time it would have a great impact on the amount of posts made. I am thinking of the general section and News.

But if you left all other sections open to posting then it may have a positive impact on people posting topics in the right area... (well possibly it may ;) )

I guess in that sense tho we would loose the option to post stuff that really is general, where as news could still be categorized into the topic it fit in.

I dont see too much wrong with trolls, yes they are annoying and can drag posts to the flame section :( but on the other hand they also provide a different prospective, and as with any view we all don't see things the same way. So I believe a good vote bad vote system would help to clear up trolls faster. There is some forum plugin that allows a positive and negative voting system upon the actual user, its like giving a rating to a user. Now if this forum were to perhaps employ a rating system, we could see who has negative votes on their posts, and perhaps setup a scoring system that after so many negative V positive meant that person was silenced for 2 weeks and if the same happened again after that period they were silenced for 4 weeks and then if again they would be banned?

Tell me please If I am understanding things wrong, I really cant afford to pay for a good info site, as much as I wish I could. Paying wont stop trolls. The theory trolls wont pay is a bit behind times. They ENJOY to troll so they will still pay. Your hurting the true truth seekers by that method.

Damn, every time I post I dunno I wish I hadnt.

F**K it I am gonna hit the post button

Takecare

Wez

[eternal_spirit]

relax man, im not sean or David icke, my thoughts arent reality :p
..............

:D Well if it becomes a pay only site, me being real poor and all, I'd have no choice but to migrate and become a forum refugee over at Illusions. :rolleyes: I could hang out with Albie and Tiswas lol

[father_pyramid]

relax man, im not sean or David icke, my thoughts arent reality :p

:D

[razed1]

i think the forum is good AS IS


changing it will only screw the alchemical mix of ideas


cause as i notice, theres only a 'few' ppl who are consistently posting, especially materials that are good information

if u change things up, youll lose this delicate balance





basically ppl just gotta get outta their ego once in a while and ask question/make comments or state their opinions, even if they differ from their 'friends' or whatever


just live a little man

[razed1]

Hello father_pyramid, I have to admit these are thoughts I have had myself in recent times. I feel the forum is out of its infancy stage and is now at a cross-roads where decisions need to be made as to how it will proceed and evolve further. Whatever happens, clearly some changes are necessary at this point.

But at the end of the day it is up to Sean and DI himself as to how they would like to go from here on.

why fix something thats not broken,

what the mods dont realize is ppl are drawn here, because of the 'free' spirit of d.icke

ppl know when they come here that theyre find alotta OPEN MINDED ppl, who just wanna know

what happens is, aside form banning those who are in outright defiance of the rules set by icke and co. , ppl when confronted with stern mods who overdo their role, get frustrated, this is what smacks in the face of that 'free' spirit that attracted us to d.ickes talks and forums

im here to LEARN firstly

then ill worry about 'mingling' and 'feeling good' and making friends etc

i just wanna see this place light up with ppl just posting their findings and discussing and not taking it too seriously when someone comes with a different perspective

ya i know ppl agree with that statement, but its obvious very few actually put it into practice




nothings gonna be that 'perfect' situation, where everyones agreeing with everyone else and its all lovey dovey ALL THE TIME

why would we want that anyway


of course theres legal issues and such, but as long as those issues are taken care of

the so called 'trolls' which i DONT agree thos ppl that got banned were, it looked like to me just pent up frustration,


but i think after a while, when those ppl see the flourishing forum, theyll rejoin under different pseudonyms and thus will contribute like they always wanted too


when someone is a 'paid disinformer' it gets obvious after a while, so i dont taking these drastic measures is gonna fix anything, the forums will always be in that infancy stage that way

[majicdragon]

I think if it were an all pay forum, I'd pack up my bags, calcel my subscription, and be gone.

I think banning someone like tiswas and the like is a very foolish move.

I'm thinking of leaving already. Ban another person I enjoy, and I'm gone.

TOTAL FREEDOM is what we should have.

BANS should last three days MAX!! fucking MAX!!!

I get so pissed that I even belong to a place that BANNS people that I'm sure any i'll health, zits, or extra fat on David, and on those tossers who run this forum are from me conjuring them.

If only this were the "phill harris" David Icke unofficial site again...

Anyone remember harris? Great author... Got "Waking God"... What a cool book.

By the way, is this thread a feeling-out of the members so as to know how to go about FUCKING IT ALL UP FOR EVERYONE... AGAIN?... cleverly started by a non premium member?

I think David... If he acctually has any part in running this forum whatsoever, should come and do a special with us all ONCE PER MONTH.
If all he can give for over 10,000 dollars per month is a stupid letter(which I don't read) he will fail.

He will succeed if he cares about us as if we were the people who loved him the most... (aside from his family)... and wogan... We are the people who love him most.... We don't need fucking answers, we need love dammit! No-one has the answer... Stop trying to find the fucking thing.

testicles.

That way, I won't want to drop from premium status, but others will want to join up as premium members.

A fucking letter doesn't cut it for bait... as it were. As it is, I don't read the stupid thing, though I like to see Icke any time I can. Or listen to him... Really would like him to answer my Q about whether he thinks George Bush should be tried and convicted of treason, or just sent a whole lot of love... BLEEEAH I could put on the hood and chop all their miserable heads off right now myself.


I like Icke. He's fucking COOL... His website sucks a bit though, but I'm sure it's mostly sean's fault. And Icke's work is not finished yet. We need clarification.

Why don't you start an unbanning thread and unban some people.

And I want this site to start being accountable... where is all the money going... would be nice to see, otherwise I'll have to think you're all using it to build houses in Australia.

OK, go ahead... BANN ME I'M A BAD BOY.

[revelations]

If The Trolls Want To Come To Stir Up Shit On This Forum, Make Them Pay To Use This Site!

[truthseeker1980]

I wouldnt be able to post either if it was a pay forum, so the community would diminish as loads of people are in the same boat. We inquisitive ones are held back, with regards to making loads of money.

If Sean could get a list of dodgy/suspected names or IP's and alike and charge them to post then it could work.

Or even have a test or something to stop people like that mental health forum girl making up bull about 9/11. If we had a small test or something she wouldn't have been able to get through.

Otherwise who cares, as if a governement body wants to put disinformation out in posts, £3 a month or any amount aint going to deter them from doing it, is it?

[mariag]

i think the forum is good AS IS


changing it will only screw the alchemical mix of ideas


cause as i notice, theres only a 'few' ppl who are consistently posting, especially materials that are good information

if u change things up, youll lose this delicate balance





basically ppl just gotta get outta their ego once in a while and ask question/make comments or state their opinions, even if they differ from their 'friends' or whatever


just live a little man

Thing is !
if everyone would think alike and share the same values and thoughts in here , there would be trouble , more trouble then some trolls ei.
We still have the freedom of speech and thoughts here I assume so everyone is entitled to share theire views :) Freedom and justice. plain and simple.
If all agrees on everything and never ever ask questions or disagree then we would have a world totaly in control of the NWO .
just a thougt.
Peace and Love to all

[chris]

I could afford £3 but there is no way I would be paying it and this forum will loose many members like me. Even if this forum gets split in half I'm leaving.

If you want to have a pay only forum then fine have one. I'll make my own board where we can have so much fun the members will die of happiness.

[mariag]

I could afford £3 but there is no way I would be paying it and this forum will loose many members like me. Even if this forum gets split in half I'm leaving.

If you want to have a pay only forum then fine have one. I'll make my own board where we can have so much fun the members will die of happiness.
I would be glad to join your forum chris :):)

[edelweiss pirate]

Making people pay to share information is rather a poor idea.

Really not what's it's about at all.

The forum would no longer be a community but a business concern with a hard cash aftertaste.

Icke's not that short of money, do me a favour. I buy his books for Chrissakes, I often buy multiple copies to give my mates.

I do my bit to support him. And I'm not the kind of guy who needs to pay for information.

I guess if you make it a paying forum you will lose all those people who want to give info rather than take it. All you'll have left will be the social club element.

Depends what your priorities are I suppose.

[mariag]

Making people pay to share information is rather a poor idea.

Really not what's it's about at all.

The forum would no longer be a community but a business concern with a hard cash aftertaste.

Icke's not that short of money, do me a favour. I buy his books for Chrissakes, I often buy multiple copies to give my mates.

I do my bit to support him. And I'm not the kind of guy who needs to pay for information.

I guess if you make it a paying forum you will lose all those people who want to give info rather than take it. All you'll have left will be the social club element.

Depends what your priorities are I suppose.

Well said Edelwiess

[chris]

I would be glad to join your forum chris :):)

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[chris]

What I don't get is that this thread began as a prob/reac/solution yet in PRS's the usual best solution is to continue as usual while the solution in this thread is to make it a pay only forum.

[malvern]

the forum is alright as it is.... the trolls will come anyway, it's up to us to troll the trolls and show them up as the trolls they are.... bring on max!!:D

freedom for all :)

[chris]

the forum is alright as it is.... the trolls will come anyway, it's up to us to troll the trolls and show them up as the trolls they are.... bring on max!!:D

freedom for all :)

There are a lot of trolls in Wales, I've attack a few with my axe.

[thirdwave]

mmm I don't see why decent peeps who pop on to share views here should have to pay or stop chatting because of the actions of a few idiotic trolls...

to get banned from here you either have to be a troll or have some desire too, so act like a 5 year olds who's mum wont get him/her have a sweet... some people start their own forums then create a fuss so they can get front page news :rolleyes: ...others come from other forums to stir because they are bored.. so all in all it compliments this place.

you are always going to get trolls.. especially on forums like this.. but its a case of keeping them at bay... we have had a few but its under control.... and things are being discussed how to make even better....

I will say its not only mods that need to sort trolls out... the regular posters have to learn how to deal with them as well.... the less you feed them the more they show them selves up and become easier to ban... or the less they post.... If you react angrily then you just become an extension of them and what they want to do....

I think negative comments always seem to ring louder than positive ones for some reason...