Cancer is a Fungus?

[mikelambert]

Dr Tullio Simoncini "Cancer is a Fungus" / Sodium Bicarbonate will be giving a presentation on October 9th 2010 on the Isle of Wight.
He will be introduced and interviewed by David Icke. Both David Icke and Tullio Simoncini will be available throughout the day until late in the evening to mingle and chat. Numbers limited to 200.
As a David Icke supporter (like us) if you go to www.naturopharma.com you can book on-line.
This is likely to be a memorable occasion. If you can make it, it would be a pleasure to meet you there.

[titanja]

Wish I could be there, I've been telling as many people as possible about his work.

[particlepopup]

I take bicarb every other day in conjunction with a good low sugar low grain high veg diet (occasional fish and the odd donner when im on the raz) and the benefits are astounding, im 41 my skin is tighter, i have more energy, im rarely ill (if i do get a sniffle i have it 3 times in a day and its gone) plus plenty other benefits that my family have been privvy to. Ive seen a few vids on this guy and from articles ive read on bicarb im sure hes on a winner (thats prob why the msm/ptb have tryed to slag him off and make him look like a criminal). But the proof is in the pudding as they say.....my pudding is delicious.

[leftf1eld]

I take bicarb every other day in conjunction with a good low sugar low grain high veg diet (occasional fish and the odd donner when im on the raz) and the benefits are astounding, im 41 my skin is tighter, i have more energy, im rarely ill (if i do get a sniffle i have it 3 times in a day and its gone) plus plenty other benefits that my family have been privvy to. Ive seen a few vids on this guy and from articles ive read on bicarb im sure hes on a winner (thats prob why the msm/ptb have tryed to slag him off and make him look like a criminal). But the proof is in the pudding as they say.....my pudding is delicious.

I doubt very much that ingesting bicarb on it's own into your stomach will be doing you any good and may actually be doing you harm.

Sodium bicarbonate is NaHCO3. Basically a compoud of Sodium (Na), Hydrogen (H), Carbon (C) and Oxygen (O). The acid in your stomach is mainly Hydrochloric acid (HCl) a compound of Hydrogen (H) and Chlorine (Cl).

When you ingest Sodium Bicarb into your stomach there is an almost immediate reaction between the Bicarb and Hydrochloric acid. The Carbon and Oxygen from the Bicarb are liberated as Carbon Dioxide, that's why your burp like you've downed two pints of Coke. The Sodium from the Bicarb and the Chlorine from Hydrochloric acid form Sodium Chloride i.e common Salt. I think water is also formed as part of the reaction.

So all your really achieving is partially neutralising your stomach acid (it's needs to be acidic to digest proteins), burping like crazy and creating a lot of salt in your stomach. From a teaspoon of Bicarb you'll be producing about 3g of salt in your belly.

I am not disputing what this Dr. is saying because he is injecting it directly into tumours thus by passing the chemical reaction that goes on by ingesting bicarb in the stomach. What he says does make some sense to me but I have no experience of it. You'd be probably better off looking into combining bicarb and maple syrup if your going to eat it. Google it there's quite a lot of info on it. Have no experience of this myself but maybe this combination by passes the unavoidable reaction stated above.

Also the main electrolytes in the human body (ions that conduct electricity within the body for proper cell function) are Sodium, Potassium, Chloride, Bicarbonate and the body maintains them within a fine balance. Have a look again at the chemical formula of Sodium Bicarbonate, Hydrochloric Acid, Sodium Chloride (salt) and you might begin to understand why it's not such a good idea to be ingesting bicarb every day via the stomach.

[particlepopup]

I doubt very much that ingesting bicarb on it's own into your stomach will be doing you any good and may actually be doing you harm.

Sodium bicarbonate is NaHCO3. Basically a compoud of Sodium (Na), Hydrogen (H), Carbon (C) and Oxygen (O). The acid in your stomach is mainly Hydrochloric acid (HCl) a compound of Hydrogen (H) and Chlorine (Cl).

When you ingest Sodium Bicarb into your stomach there is an almost immediate reaction between the Bicarb and Hydrochloric acid. The Carbon and Oxygen from the Bicarb are liberated as Carbon Dioxide, that's why your burp like you've downed two pints of Coke. The Sodium from the Bicarb and the Chlorine from Hydrochloric acid form Sodium Chloride i.e common Salt. I think water is also formed as part of the reaction.

So all your really achieving is partially neutralising your stomach acid (it's needs to be acidic to digest proteins), burping like crazy and creating a lot of salt in your stomach. From a teaspoon of Bicarb you'll be producing about 3g of salt in your belly.

I am not disputing what this Dr. is saying because he is injecting it directly into tumours thus by passing the chemical reaction that goes on by ingesting bicarb in the stomach. What he says does make some sense to me but I have no experience of it. You'd be probably better off looking into combining bicarb and maple syrup if your going to eat it. Google it there's quite a lot of info on it. Have no experience of this myself but maybe this combination by passes the unavoidable reaction stated above.

Also the main electrolytes in the human body (ions that conduct electricity within the body for proper cell function) are Sodium, Potassium, Chloride, Bicarbonate and the body maintains them within a fine balance. Have a look again at the chemical formula of Sodium Bicarbonate, Hydrochloric Acid, Sodium Chloride (salt) and you might begin to understand why it's not such a good idea to be ingesting bicarb every day via the stomach.

Thanks for the science lesson and im sure the formulas are perfectly parrot fashion correct, however as i stated i can only go off my own efficacy test and im quite satisfied that after 18 months of ingesting all this "salt" that it is doing me quite some good (maybe thats why the ptb want people to cut out salt???), hey im no scientist though but im sure athletes, patients with kindey problem and various other goups have benefitted from the uses of bicarb. Maybe you should do a "real" experiment to try and find out why it actually works rather than saying how much salt can be made.

http://www.nelm.nhs.uk/en/NeLM-Area/News/2009---July/20/Bicarbonate-supplementation-may-slow-renal-decline-in-chronic-kidney-disease/

[leftf1eld]

Thanks for the science lesson and im sure the formulas are perfectly parrot fashion correct, however as i stated i can only go off my own efficacy test and im quite satisfied that after 18 months of ingesting all this "salt" that it is doing me quite some good (maybe thats why the ptb want people to cut out salt???), hey im no scientist though but im sure athletes, patients with kindey problem and various other goups have benefitted from the uses of bicarb. Maybe you should do a "real" experiment to try and find out why it actually works rather than saying how much salt can be made.

http://www.nelm.nhs.uk/en/NeLM-Area/News/2009---July/20/Bicarbonate-supplementation-may-slow-renal-decline-in-chronic-kidney-disease/

If you don't even understand basic schoolchild chemistry I guess there isn't much hope for you anyway. I hope your heart and blood pressure enjoys all the sodium chloride your ingesting. I bet you're neither an athlete or kidney disease sufferer but probably just a stroke victim waiting to happen.

TPTB also do not recommend breathing in asbestos why don't you try it, since using your twisted logic it must be good for you. You might even get a nice placebo effect off it so you can resonate with it.

hey im no scientist

A'int that the truth?

[hadabusa]

simoncini is a fraud&murderer.

is david aware of this?

[quetzalcoatl]

Dr Tullio Simoncini "Cancer is a Fungus" / Sodium Bicarbonate will be giving a presentation on October 9th 2010 on the Isle of Wight.
He will be introduced and interviewed by David Icke. Both David Icke and Tullio Simoncini will be available throughout the day until late in the evening to mingle and chat. Numbers limited to 200.
As a David Icke supporter (like us) if you go to www.naturopharma.com you can book on-line.
This is likely to be a memorable occasion. If you can make it, it would be a pleasure to meet you there.

No, cancer is not a fungus, nor is it any form of yeast or bacteria...

It's simply the mutation & rapid spreading of mutated cells - which is a potentiality for the production of any cell to form in-correctly & become a genetic abnormality, yet it doesn't always lead to cancer or growth of tumors, like there's tumor suppressor gene's & other immune system responses to fight the reproduction of deformed or cancerous cells...

The only link to candida or other fungal or yeast infections is the body's immune system (specially if it were an auto-immune response) where it automatically ups the production of infected cells, thusly increasing the chances to create genetic abnormalities (AKA cancer)...

Tis quite safe to say everyone has probably produced some tumors somewhere in their body through-out their life (as DNA & the production system of cells can fail & produce abnormalities) yet there are things such as anti-oncogenes which fights mutation, where some tumors are suppressed or quarantined & remain benign, yet if these systems fail & there's a hyper-spreading & hi-jacking of cells, this can develop into full-blown malignant cancer...

Basically, tis genetic, not fungal!

[quetzalcoatl]

Hmmm... - watching now;

Cancer is Fungus 1 of 2 - YouTube

All cancer is white?? - couldn't that be because of increased production of white blood cells of the immune system??

[moving finger]

Convicted of wrongful death (http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/reports/simoncini.shtml)

Quack Quack (http://mymalignantmelanoma.blogspot.com/2009/01/tullio-simoncini.html)

[hadabusa]

Convicted of wrongful death (http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/reports/simoncini.shtml)

Quack Quack (http://mymalignantmelanoma.blogspot.com/2009/01/tullio-simoncini.html)

add "lost practicing licence" to this.

how much research did icke do on this guy?
does he know about this?
why does he associate with him?

[quetzalcoatl]

Hmmm... well, it ain't looking too good eh...

http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/reports/simoncini.shtml

A 50-year- old patient with breast cancer who was treated at this clinic was admitted to the emergency department of the University Medical Center of the Free University of Amsterdam, where she died within a few days. The attending physician refused to sign a death certificate, because the patient had died from a non-natural cause. It appeared that Simoncini had treated treated her at the Bilthoven clinic with injections and infusions of sodium bicarbonate. The clinic medical director denied any involvement, but two tenacious journalists of the Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant succeeded in finding out what had happened. The Public Prosecutor and the Netherlands Health Care Inspectorate have opened an investigation of the case.


in 2003, his license to practice medicine was withdrawn, and in 2006 he was convicted by an Italian judge for wrongful death and swindling. This has not stopped him from continuing to provide his controversial treatments, not only in Italy, but apparently also in foreign countries, such as the Netherlands.

[hadabusa]

Hmmm... well, it ain't looking too good eh...

http://www.cancertreatmentwatch.org/reports/simoncini.shtml

theres even more, if you can read italian, its like pandoras box/can of worms.

he "blew" a patients anus up with bakingsoda insertions,no kidding.

[ragnarok]

My instinct regarding cancer - whatever that catch-all word really means - is that we all have it lying dormant, and just waiting for a good excuse to take over the hosts body.

You don't get cancer, it gets you.

[hadabusa]

My instinct regarding cancer - whatever that catch-all word really means - is that we all have it lying dormant, and just waiting for a good excuse to take over the hosts body.

You don't get cancer, it gets you.

thats what scientists now say too.


:(

[ragnarok]

thats what scientists now say too.


:(

Well, considering I pay little to no regard or attention to doctors or scientists opinions on this modern bogeyman, I say my instincts are pretty good! :D

[hadabusa]

Well, considering I pay little to no regard or attention to doctors or scientists opinions on this modern bogeyman, I say my instincts are pretty good! :D

theres honourable scientists imo.
but yeah,your instincts seem spot on here.

to assume humans are meant to never get cancer is indeed naive.
it might aswell be a "natural"dna defect.

or evolution "gift".

i remember "moving finger", a member whoms intelligence&education i admire, saying evolution has to do with radiation.

maybe he'll elaborate in layman terms on this?:p

[mark1963]

simoncini is a fraud&murderer.

is david aware of this?

Proof?

[mark1963]

So I've just read about the death of a cancer patient under Simoncini.

I'm very sad that one patient died. If that's all the basis of malpractice then the whole allopathic cancer industry needs to be shut down immediately.

I say this because 96% of chemotherapy patients will die. The death rate for radiation treatment patients is also through the roof.

How many millions die each year through so called modern medicine?

Cheeky cunts those who condemn him but still kill worse than a nuclear holocaust.

[hadabusa]

Proof?

need eyes?

read quetzos posts.

im no pathologist,but to say cancer=funghus&bc its white......ohdear.

[the lorax]

My instinct regarding cancer - whatever that catch-all word really means - is that we all have it lying dormant, and just waiting for a good excuse to take over the hosts body.

You don't get cancer, it gets you.
This is neither wrong nor right. In an oversimplified answer, cancer is a mutated cell, so yes, it is already in you but it's not exactly lying dormant. It's either random, genetic, or environmentally caused.

[mark1963]

need eyes?

read quetzos posts.

im no pathologist,but to say cancer=funghus&bc its white......ohdear.

Yes, real proof, not just one patient dying.

How about the millions that die every year through modern medicines therapy for cancer?

[darryl84]

simoncini is a fraud&murderer.

is david aware of this?


I know what i am about to write is very off-topic and i apologise for that but felt the need to write this after reading many of hadabusa's posts!...

Hadabusa, do you do anything OTHER than criticise? fair play, criticise all you like, but for the health of your own mind, and thus body, maybe seeing the positive in topics, and being more harmonious when debating a contradictory opinion might be more pleasurable and rewarding for your life, ever considered this to be the case? I thought i would post this nugget of information for you, feel free to ignore it and continue condemning opposing views constantly. :)

[mark1963]

I know what i am about to write is very off-topic and i apologise for that but felt the need to write this after reading many of hadabusa's posts!...

Hadabusa, do you do anything OTHER than criticise? fair play, criticise all you like, but for the health of your own mind, and thus body, maybe seeing the positive in topics, and being more harmonious when debating a contradictory opinion might be more pleasurable and rewarding for your life, ever considered this to be the case? I thought i would post this nugget of information for you, feel free to ignore it and continue condemning opposing views constantly. :)

I'm afraid that habadusa will not answer the serious stuff, it saddens me because he can be insightful.

[hadabusa]

I know what i am about to write is very off-topic and i apologise for that but felt the need to write this after reading many of hadabusa's posts!...

Hadabusa, do you do anything OTHER than criticise? fair play, criticise all you like, but for the health of your own mind, and thus body, maybe seeing the positive in topics, and being more harmonious when debating a contradictory opinion might be more pleasurable and rewarding for your life, ever considered this to be the case? I thought i would post this nugget of information for you, feel free to ignore it and continue condemning opposing views constantly. :)

nono, fair critique,man.

i first tought simoncini was legit, looked further into it &changed opinion.

when i see stuff that i dont agree,i add my opinion .
if im proven wrong,i accept it.

mark63,thx for the unexpected compliment:p

[_ree_]

hemp oil cures cancer!

end of.

[mark1963]

nono, fair critique,man.

i first tought simoncini was legit, looked further into it &changed opinion.

when i see stuff that i dont agree,i add my opinion .
if im proven wrong,i accept it.

mark63,thx for the unexpected compliment:p

Is there anything in particular that struck you and you thought this guys not legit?

[mark1963]

hemp oil cures cancer!

end of.

I would agree, it appears to be marvelous.

[hadabusa]

Is there anything in particular that struck you and you thought this guys not legit?

the patient who died in holland , simoncini first said he didnt "work" on him.
and the funghus=cancer equation.

and his fees.
he has not one study either.

theres much more,but these things.

for record,i think big pharma sucks, cancer research & improvements are pathetic.

btw, hemp oil is definitelly legit cure.
its been peer reviewed by unis in eu, research funds really should flow there.

see, hemp oil is good, now if ppl say hemp oil is cure&bakingsoda ( simoncini style )is cure, pharma believers will dismiss both bc simoncini is very questionable.

hope this explains my stance:cool:

[winegums]

theres honourable scientists imo.
but yeah,your instincts seem spot on here.

to assume humans are meant to never get cancer is indeed naive.
it might aswell be a "natural"dna defect.

or evolution "gift".

i remember "moving finger", a member whoms intelligence&education i admire, saying evolution has to do with radiation.

maybe he'll elaborate in layman terms on this?:p

Well, basically the cells of your body usually undergo a 'life cycle'. they grow, sometimes split in two (mitosis), and eventually die. The cells also have mechanisms in them to stop mitosis if there's something wrong (such as the copy of the DNA being wrong). Cancer is what happens when the cells lose the regulatory mechanisms that make them reproduce and die at the correct time.

There isn't one single thing that causes cancer, it's typically multi-factorial. You can have a genetic pre-disposition to cancer, radiation and some chemicals can also increase the likelihood of cancer happening.

One thing that cancer definitely isn't, is a fungus. This lie is so easily refuted (histology slides...) that I'm amazed it has gained this much traction.

[hadabusa]

Well, basically the cells of your body usually undergo a 'life cycle'. they grow, sometimes split in two (mitosis), and eventually die. The cells also have mechanisms in them to stop mitosis if there's something wrong (such as the copy of the DNA being wrong). Cancer is what happens when the cells lose the regulatory mechanisms that make them reproduce and die at the correct time.

There isn't one single thing that causes cancer, it's typically multi-factorial. You can have a genetic pre-disposition to cancer, radiation and some chemicals can also increase the likelihood of cancer happening.

One thing that cancer definitely isn't, is a fungus. This lie is so easily refuted (histology slides...) that I'm amazed it has gained this much traction.

youre uni educated!

srs, nice post, excellently presented.

[mark1963]

Well, basically the cells of your body usually undergo a 'life cycle'. they grow, sometimes split in two (mitosis), and eventually die. The cells also have mechanisms in them to stop mitosis if there's something wrong (such as the copy of the DNA being wrong). Cancer is what happens when the cells lose the regulatory mechanisms that make them reproduce and die at the correct time.

There isn't one single thing that causes cancer, it's typically multi-factorial. You can have a genetic pre-disposition to cancer, radiation and some chemicals can also increase the likelihood of cancer happening.

One thing that cancer definitely isn't, is a fungus. This lie is so easily refuted (histology slides...) that I'm amazed it has gained this much traction.

The human body has typically 70 toxic chemicals in it these days. Some chemicals is a massive understatement, I would suggest.

Unless you eat and drink and breathe what nature intended without chemical interference then it almost a certainty that illness will follow. Basic chemistry and biology.

DU is endemic now in the air we breathe. In short, we have a massive hill to climb.

[ragnarok]

"What does not destroy us, only serves to make us stronger."

Homer Simpson.

[truegroup]

"What does not destroy us, only serves to make us stronger."

Homer Simpson.

Ahhhh beer - Homer Simpson.

[quetzalcoatl]

theres even more, if you can read italian, its like pandoras box/can of worms.

he "blew" a patients anus up with bakingsoda insertions,no kidding.

My God! - seriously?? that sounds a bit back-yard bob / human-genie-pig, garage experimentation like to me...

So I've just read about the death of a cancer patient under Simoncini.

I'm very sad that one patient died. If that's all the basis of malpractice then the whole allopathic cancer industry needs to be shut down immediately.

I say this because 96% of chemotherapy patients will die. The death rate for radiation treatment patients is also through the roof.

How many millions die each year through so called modern medicine?

Cheeky cunts those who condemn him but still kill worse than a nuclear holocaust.

Aight, ya very sad one patient died, is it... well, anyway, I know what ya saying... Suppose that's the thing when it's a terminal ill-ness, there's no real guarantees either-way... Yet tis one thing to have someone die of their condition & a whole nother thing if it were provably a direct result of treatment (especially if tis un-supported & experimentational) - which is prolly a double-edged sword... Yet FFS! blew a patients anus up?? fuckin eh! :eek:

Basically, I currently don't see how there's sufficient evidence to support his thesis & cancer being white (similar to fungus) ain't quite cutting it... - yet if perhaps it does show positive results, I'm open to the idea...

Yet unfortunately, ATM, the science (knowing) juz isn't there...

[icke_is_right]

Are there any statistics on how many people that he has treated and how many have recovered or died?

I've only just started looking into this but one thing is for certain, I will never undergo Chemotherapy or Radiation treatment!

Both my parents died of cancer. I have first hand experience of the Quackery involved in accepted medicine.

I saw my father in agony on chemo. He was a very brave and far stronger man than me. That's when I decided.

I do believe that cancer cures have been suppressed eg Vit B17 and Hemp Oil or many others. I will keep an eye on this thread as it is of special interest to me.

Maybe someone else is at exactly the same stage of the DI book as me IE this subject!

[gizmocrystal]

Everything is worth looking into.

Do you know how many people are killed each year with conventional tx?

I am sure david would have searched this guy out and if not he will do now.

We dont all have cancer in us, we have the ability to produce cancer, its when diseased cells dont commit suicide and keep on reproducing.

They say that our immune system keeps cancerous cell in check by causing apoptosis(cell death) but when this mechanism fails we get cancer.

So who Knows what simple thing could "turn on" the command for the cancer cell to commit suicide.

My bet is when the cures do come, it will be something simple.

[gizmocrystal]

The human body has typically 70 toxic chemicals in it these days. Some chemicals is a massive understatement, I would suggest.

Unless you eat and drink and breathe what nature intended without chemical interference then it almost a certainty that illness will follow. Basic chemistry and biology.

DU is endemic now in the air we breathe. In short, we have a massive hill to climb.

Totally agree!

[winegums]

They say that our immune system keeps cancerous cell in check by causing apoptosis(cell death) but when this mechanism fails we get cancer.


So who Knows what simple thing could "turn on" the command for the cancer cell to commit suicide.


Well, no. There are apoptosis promoters in the cell. If you're really interested, look up p53 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Cancer treatments tend to work to stop cell division rather than activating apoptosis, which I think is a lot harder to do. The only common feature of cancerous cells is that they divide fast, and ultimately i think the only way you could add an apoptosis promoter would be to create a virus to reverse-transcribe the DNA and repair the p53 gene, but that sounds kinda tricky...

[coco]

I've been hearing some about baking soda and maple syrup combined but don't really understand. Does someone here know about it?

[gizmocrystal]

Well, no. There are apoptosis promoters in the cell. If you're really interested, look up p53 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P53). Cancer treatments tend to work to stop cell division rather than activating apoptosis, which I think is a lot harder to do. The only common feature of cancerous cells is that they divide fast, and ultimately i think the only way you could add an apoptosis promoter would be to create a virus to reverse-transcribe the DNA and repair the p53 gene, but that sounds kinda tricky...

Ah Dr Wine gums

I do know i was simplyfying, i look for cancer in my job.

I still think they need to find a way just to target the cancer itself, they say its not easy but they are probably looking too hard. They need to go back to basics.

[mikelambert]

No, cancer is not a fungus, nor is it any form of yeast or bacteria...

It's simply the mutation & rapid spreading of mutated cells - which is a potentiality for the production of any cell to form in-correctly & become a genetic abnormality, yet it doesn't always lead to cancer or growth of tumors, like there's tumor suppressor gene's & other immune system responses to fight the reproduction of deformed or cancerous cells...

The only link to candida or other fungal or yeast infections is the body's immune system (specially if it were an auto-immune response) where it automatically ups the production of infected cells, thusly increasing the chances to create genetic abnormalities (AKA cancer)...

Tis quite safe to say everyone has probably produced some tumors somewhere in their body through-out their life (as DNA & the production system of cells can fail & produce abnormalities) yet there are things such as anti-oncogenes which fights mutation, where some tumors are suppressed or quarantined & remain benign, yet if these systems fail & there's a hyper-spreading & hi-jacking of cells, this can develop into full-blown malignant cancer...

Basically, tis genetic, not fungal!

Dr Tullio Simoncini gave a presentation for The Shen Clinic on the Isle of Wight on Saturday October 9th 2010. The venue was full to capacity with many people unable to obtain tickets (if you were one of these then we would recommend you book early for all events run by The Shen to avoid this sort of disappointment). Interested participants came from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Holland, Belgium, France and various parts of the UK. These included curious medical practitioners. Dr Simoncini received a standing ovation. David Icke also gave a fantastic talk, followed by his interviewing Dr Simoncini. Which was sensational. He put questions to Simoncini regarding both his work and character in the presence of a capacity audience. This was filmed, and you can see this shortly on both this site and at www.theshenclini.com.

[conformtonothing]

Here's some history on the research of cacner (as a fungus):

http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/Cancer_Fungus.html

It dates back to 1890. Not a bad read.. Most of you people know what the big pharma is like, and that current mainstream treatments for cancer do not work. Trust me, it is well worth your time looking into these studies :) This stuff is for real. Don't be too quick to push this one aside!

Dr. Simoncini has a 90% success rate. Incase some of you seemed to miss that.. This is compared to chemotherapy's 3-5% success rate? .. Wake up people :) The education system and mainstream science is missing something here. Cancer may not have to be such a mystery...

[mikelambert]

This is neither wrong nor right. In an oversimplified answer, cancer is a mutated cell, so yes, it is already in you but it's not exactly lying dormant. It's either random, genetic, or environmentally caused.

Do you think this is so?

[hadabusa]

Dr. Simoncini has a 90% success rate. Incase some of you seemed to miss that.. This is compared to chemotherapy's 3-5% success rate? .. Wake up people :) The education system and mainstream science is missing something here. Cancer may not have to be such a mystery...

most stupid comment i read in a while.

chemo is used as last resort, while TS "cures" skin cancers etc.

:rolleyes:

its hard to tell where his expertise field lies, for he has no practicing licence.
:rolleyes:

[coco]

most stupid comment i read in a while.

chemo is used as last resort, while TS "cures" skin cancers etc.

:rolleyes:

its hard to tell where his expertise field lies, for he has no practicing licence.
:rolleyes:

I don't know anything about Dr. Simoncini so I can't comment about him at the moment until I research his subject, but chemo is no longer a last resort, at least in USA, it's a part of the process in the majority of cases.

'We got all the cancer' generally means minimal chemo therapy 'just to make sure'.

EDIT: I will say this: An older lady recently had cancer surgery, they have pills now that can help a person with the chemo sickness, they're around $40 USD each. Needless to say despite insurance she and her husband's finances were devastated. The lady's cancer was pretty advanced when discovered and after surgery, chemo, and using the chemo anti sickness pills (which helped her) she passed away about a month and a half after surgery. Now her husband is in a mess with the patient responsibility portion of the after insurance invoices. But that's the way it is. I hope he opts for bankruptcy instead of trying to pay the large balances. I know that's irresponsible and lazy of me to say as medical bankruptcy only raises rates for everyone else, but this is an old man and the bills are large for anyone. Many people file medical bankruptcy and that's why rates continue to skyrocket beyond imagination.

What surprises me is a person making it more than 5 years after chemo, there are a growing number of people who do it and lead normal lives, but most of the folks I've known aren't as robust for the 5-20 years they have left as they were before. My grandmother made it almost 20 years after surgery and chemo, but they should have let her slip away back in '73, she was always sick with bad colds and every other virus that came along after treatment.

[winegums]

Dr Tullio Simoncini gave a presentation for The Shen Clinic on the Isle of Wight on Saturday October 9th 2010. The venue was full to capacity with many people unable to obtain tickets (if you were one of these then we would recommend you book early for all events run by The Shen to avoid this sort of disappointment). Interested participants came from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Holland, Belgium, France and various parts of the UK. These included curious medical practitioners. Dr Simoncini received a standing ovation. David Icke also gave a fantastic talk, followed by his interviewing Dr Simoncini. Which was sensational. He put questions to Simoncini regarding both his work and character in the presence of a capacity audience. This was filmed, and you can see this shortly on both this site and at www.theshenclini.com.

Jesus, £45 to watch a quack fib about cancer?

Protip: any biomed undergrad with some histology slides can show you the difference between fungus and cancer. I'd really like to see him get interviewed by a consultant oncologist...

[hadabusa]

I don't know anything about Dr. Simoncini so I can't comment about him at the moment until I research his subject, but chemo is no longer a last resort, at least in USA, it's a part of the process in the majority of cases.

'We got all the cancer' generally means minimal chemo therapy 'just to make sure'.

EDIT: I will say this: An older lady recently had cancer surgery, they have pills now that can help a person with the chemo sickness, they're around $40 USD each. Needless to say despite insurance she and her husband's finances were devastated. The lady's cancer was pretty advanced when discovered and after surgery, chemo, and using the chemo anti sickness pills (which helped her) she passed away about a month and a half after surgery. Now her husband is in a mess with the patient responsibility portion of the after insurance invoices. But that's the way it is. I hope he opts for bankruptcy instead of trying to pay the large balances. I know that's irresponsible and lazy of me to say as medical bankruptcy only raises rates for everyone else, but this is an old man and the bills are large for anyone. Many people file medical bankruptcy and that's why rates continue to skyrocket beyond imagination.

What surprises me is a person making it more than 5 years after chemo, there are a growing number of people who do it and lead normal lives, but most of the folks I've known aren't as robust for the 5-20 years they have left as they were before. My grandmother made it almost 20 years after surgery and chemo, but they should have let her slip away back in '73, she was always sick with bad colds and every other virus that came along after treatment.
i know what you mean.
last resort i mean, when they puke gut parts out after a meal, at that stage its last resort, simply bc ppl try to avoid it.

a preventive flashing isnt compareable imo.

now, the costs.......brutal, brutal .
this alone justifies mandatory healthcare imo.
i know, the housenegro did it for his donators&theres likely bs in the HC bill, but in the real world, where mms&bakingsoda dont cure cancer, its important to be pragmatic.
me,i dont mind if the 4000usd/year insurance i pay is used to help any given guy/lady with any health issues.
i know if i ever go to hospital, all is covered.
if i never got sick in 100yrs, thats 400k usd, and....i dont care the slightest bit.

i still say mainstream cancercures are shit.
but alternative cures are worthless.
btw, hempoil i see as legit.

still,ill "shill" for bigfarma a bit here, theres new methods of chemo, that explains better survival rates.
long read blabla.

but CTN claim of 5percent survival rate, frankly, is an uneducated peasants babble.

the 5year "after" stats vary from 30-65%.
see, it depends on timeframe&cancertype(despite ALL being funghi,jk).

when i hear bigfarma this bigfarma that...
alternative farma is,errr, bigger&owned by same ppl.duuhhhhhhh.

alternative farma = less govt restriction, more bs.

hi,madame:p

[gizmocrystal]

Dr Tullio Simoncini gave a presentation for The Shen Clinic on the Isle of Wight on Saturday October 9th 2010. The venue was full to capacity with many people unable to obtain tickets (if you were one of these then we would recommend you book early for all events run by The Shen to avoid this sort of disappointment). Interested participants came from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Holland, Belgium, France and various parts of the UK. These included curious medical practitioners. Dr Simoncini received a standing ovation. David Icke also gave a fantastic talk, followed by his interviewing Dr Simoncini. Which was sensational. He put questions to Simoncini regarding both his work and character in the presence of a capacity audience. This was filmed, and you can see this shortly on both this site and at www.theshenclini.com.

Glad it went well, would have loved to have been there! I will definatly watch!

[gizmocrystal]

Here's some history on the research of cacner (as a fungus):

http://www.alternative-cancer-care.com/Cancer_Fungus.html

It dates back to 1890. Not a bad read.. Most of you people know what the big pharma is like, and that current mainstream treatments for cancer do not work. Trust me, it is well worth your time looking into these studies :) This stuff is for real. Don't be too quick to push this one aside!

Dr. Simoncini has a 90% success rate. Incase some of you seemed to miss that.. This is compared to chemotherapy's 3-5% success rate? .. Wake up people :) The education system and mainstream science is missing something here. Cancer may not have to be such a mystery...



I wouldnt bother mate.

The "doctors" on this site seem to know everything about cancer.

Follow the mainstream, dont question just follow:rolleyes:

[hadabusa]

I wouldnt bother mate.

The "doctors" on this site seem to know everything about cancer.

Follow the mainstream, dont question just follow:rolleyes:

yeah, like i havent looked into mms&other bs:rolleyes:

[the lorax]

Do you think this is so?
What are you trying to get at? My short answer is yes, but I think it really depends on the type of cancer. I was speaking more in terms of Leukemia, which I personally had. In that manner, I don't think that Leukemia can be fairly compared to tumorous cancers though, as they are completely different types of cancers. Are you saying that I am wrong in my understanding that (again simplified explanation) cancer cells are the result of a cell mutating and reproducing out of control? Is a cancer cell not a damaged or mutated cell missing the ability of normal growth control?

I'm not ruling out the importance of fungi and it's roll in cancer but from the limited research I've done (keyword limited) on the topic it seems to me that fungus could be a potential catalyst or cause in the formation of many types of cancer. However, to say that cancer IS a fungus doesn't seem right now me. It's clear that many types of cancer do contain fungi microbes though.

At my own expense, I'll admit that I wrote most of the above without much research since I'm pressed for time and am probably opening myself up to much criticism because of that.

[gizmocrystal]

yeah, like i havent looked into mms&other bs:rolleyes:

Thats good, at least you looked it before judging, as others have to do the same so they can draw their own conclusions.

[mikelambert]

What are you trying to get at? My short answer is yes, but I think it really depends on the type of cancer. I was speaking more in terms of Leukemia, which I personally had. In that manner, I don't think that Leukemia can be fairly compared to tumorous cancers though, as they are completely different types of cancers. Are you saying that I am wrong in my understanding that (again simplified explanation) cancer cells are the result of a cell mutating and reproducing out of control? Is a cancer cell not a damaged or mutated cell missing the ability of normal growth control?

I'm not ruling out the importance of fungi and it's roll in cancer but from the limited research I've done (keyword limited) on the topic it seems to me that fungus could be a potential catalyst or cause in the formation of many types of cancer. However, to say that cancer IS a fungus doesn't seem right now me. It's clear that many types of cancer do contain fungi microbes though.

At my own expense, I'll admit that I wrote most of the above without much research since I'm pressed for time and am probably opening myself up to much criticism because of that.

Thank you for this post. Like myself, don't worry about criticism. These are your views, and we should respect both them and you for sharing them with us.

[the lorax]

Thank you for this post. Like myself, don't worry about criticism. These are your views, and we should respect both them and you for sharing them with us.
of course, i was just responding to your question. would you mind providing what you think? just curious seeing as you singled me out to ask that question.

[broadperspective]

Not to make Dr. Simoncini the new guru of cancer, but this man has given many years of his life to the cancer topic and has come up with the firm belief that most cancers are the result of fungi development, which in turn inhibits the body's natural functions (cells, etc.) at some point in the process when the body can't cope with it anymore.

The man has an outstanding success rate of over 85% after loads of treatments through time. The official cancer industry should be ashamed of their official results in comparison...

Even with just this bit of info at hand, you'd think that the vast majority of people on a forum like David Icke's, would be very happy and extremely interested to sincerely dig into his research, but after reading a little on this thread, why am not surprized some already practically condemn him as if he's some sort charlatan...:rolleyes:

The fungi (candida, etc.) is often the trigger for the immune system not to function properly, so the same can probably happen with the cells' regulatory mechanism, at some point disrupting the normal process...

...and by the way, the man can't keep his license to practice as an oncologist because he decided to follow his conscience based on results, instead of the legalized Drug Pushers' commands and ordered protocols !!

[hadabusa]

Thats good, at least you looked it before judging, as others have to do the same so they can draw their own conclusions.
lol,i even believed it at first.

him being a doc&that nice tv studio and the pr is made kinda good enough to deceive laymen.

i dont understand why icke promotes him, instead of hemp.

simoncini is one despicable character,imo.

[hadabusa]

Not to make Dr. Simoncini the new guru of cancer, but this man has given many years of his life to the cancer topic and has come up with the firm belief that most cancers are the result of fungi development, which in turn inhibits the body's natural functions (cells, etc.) at some point in the process when the body can't cope with it anymore.

The man has an outstanding success rate of over 85% after loads of treatments through time. The official cancer industry should be ashamed of their official results in comparison...

Even with just this bit of info at hand, you'd think that the vast majority of people on a forum like David Icke's, would be very happy and extremely interested to sincerely dig into his research, but after reading a little on this thread, why am not surprized some already practically condemn him as if he's some sort charlatan...:rolleyes:

...and by the way, the man can't keep his license to practice as an oncologist because he decided to follow his conscience instead of the legalized Drug Pushers' commands and ordered protocols !!

wow, what fckn bs.

cancer is no funghus, and baking soda doesnt cure cancer.

provide proof for your stats.

bc bigfarma is,uh, crap, this must mean simoncini cant do wrong?

he blew one patients rectum up.

he charges 7500euro for baking soda ffs.

his licence was revoked after murder charges.lol.

take your legs in your arms&go to nearest hospital or uni.
find pathologs and ask them about their pov on simoncinis theory.

[broadperspective]

wow, what fckn bs.

cancer is no funghus, and baking soda doesnt cure cancer.

provide proof for your stats.

bc bigfarma is,uh, crap, this must mean simoncini cant do wrong?

he blew one patients rectum up.

he charges 7500euro for baking soda ffs.

his licence was revoked after murder charges.lol.

take your legs in your arms&go to nearest hospital or uni.
find pathologs and ask them about their pov on simoncinis theory.

He treated many patients through time. Are there loads of their family members legally suing him ? From what I've seen, the vast majority are thanking him !

If he messed up a few cases, well that's very sad but then is it OK for the official medical industry to get away with a chemotherapy, dismal 10% success rate at best ?

Until proven otherwise, result wise in terms of numbers, I certainly won't condemn his procedure.

With that said, I do think his costs are ridiculous but it doesn't change his global results up to now.

In regards to asking pathologists, well most of them are brainwashed anyways...so please take it easy on the main stream line of thought.....just like there are still too many blind engineers and architects that can't cope with thinking outside the box or rather facing reality (911 anyone...)

[thelucifer]

Well, no. There are apoptosis promoters in the cell. If you're really interested, look up p53 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P53). Cancer treatments tend to work to stop cell division rather than activating apoptosis, which I think is a lot harder to do. The only common feature of cancerous cells is that they divide fast, and ultimately i think the only way you could add an apoptosis promoter would be to create a virus to reverse-transcribe the DNA and repair the p53 gene, but that sounds kinda tricky...

My understanding is Oxygen/oxidation inhibits/reverses abnormal cell division.
Tumors are an anaerobic process.

[winegums]

Until proven otherwise, result wise in terms of numbers, I certainly won't condemn his procedure.

so you're happy to take anecdotal claims of cures as firm evidence?


In regards to asking pathologists, well most of them are brainwashed anyways...so please take it easy on the main stream line of thought...

yeah, all those years of learning anatomy, physiology, cellular biology...it's all just a big pharma controlled lie. you don't even have lungs ffs.

Can you explain to me how you differentiate cranks who spout BS from people who are actually revolutionaries raging against the machine? This forum has a recurring principle of "anything government says is bad, therefore anyone not in government is good". Did it occur to you he's just fibbing?

[broadperspective]

so you're happy to take anecdotal claims of cures as firm evidence?



yeah, all those years of learning anatomy, physiology, cellular biology...it's all just a big pharma controlled lie. you don't even have lungs ffs.

Can you explain to me how you differentiate cranks who spout BS from people who are actually revolutionaries raging against the machine? This forum has a recurring principle of "anything government says is bad, therefore anyone not in government is good". Did it occur to you he's just fibbing?

Where are the people class actions against him ? Besides the medical authorities bullying him out of practice, where are the dozens of pissed off people ? Please provide...

- Yes cancer has to do with abnormal cell division.
- Yes fungi matter or candida is a major factor inhibiting the immune system and the body's overall natural functions, therefore it being a precursor to abnormal cell division is quite possible.
- Yes fungi matter paves the way for an abnormal acidic environment, which often leads to disease.
- Yes "Baking Soda" creates a more alcaline environment , therefore enhances oxygen levels within.
- Yes oxidation can reverse abnormal cell division as tumors are anaerobic in nature.

With that said, I would not dismiss the real possibility of Mr. Simoncini's procedures being helpful, not in all, but many cases.

Does he truly want to help humanity or just profit off of it....that's another story !!

[hadabusa]

hey, alfred, ever wondered why not a single doc uses his method?

they ALL in on it,eh?

why is there not a single study?

who else then a patholog to ask?
you?
you say youre not "brainwashed", so only unbrainwashed are fit to judge this?lol

i didnt say revolutionize pathology, i said go and ask them, then see their reactions.

read some "brainwashing claptrap" here..

http://www.ariplex.com/nmwiki/index.php?title=Victims_of_new_medicine

http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Sodium_Bicarbonate_Therapy_accordi ng_to_Tullio_Simoncini

[hadabusa]

more "healed" ppl...

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/aysha-and-tullio-simoncini/


:rolleyes:

[hoverfly]

hey, alfred, ever wondered why not a single doc uses his method?

they ALL in on it,eh?

why is there not a single study?

who else then a patholog to ask?
you?
you say youre not "brainwashed", so only unbrainwashed are fit to judge this?lol

i didnt say revolutionize pathology, i said go and ask them, then see their reactions.

read some "brainwashing claptrap" here..

http://www.ariplex.com/nmwiki/index.php?title=Victims_of_new_medicine

http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Sodium_Bicarbonate_Therapy_accordi ng_to_Tullio_Simoncini

You seem to have an alarmingly simplistic understanding of the way medecal research studies are reported or published.

As a Dr, if your not prepared to play the game, then it will be the end of your career.
Those working within the mainstream western allopathic medicine have to swim with the sharks or be eaten by them.

If they used this method they would be slaughtered by thier respective official medical bodies. So they shut up and support the status quo.

Not many have the balls or courage to leave , and set up on thier own.That would be too much hard work.

[hadabusa]

You seem to have an alarmingly simplistic understanding of the way medecal research studies are reported or published.

As a Dr, if your not prepared to play the game, then it will be the end of your career.
Those working within the mainstream western allopathic medicine have to swim with the sharks or be eaten by them.

If they used this method they would be slaughtered by thier respective official medical bodies. So they shut up and support the status quo.

Not many have the balls or courage to leave , and set up on thier own.That would be too much hard work.

the simplistic way of tought argumentation is bit a shot in own foot.

do you know the process steps made when new cures are researched?

do you *really* know it?

get back at me once you do.

a study can be started independently at any given time.ffs.

[hoverfly]

the simplistic way of tought argumentation is bit a shot in own foot.

do you know the process steps made when new cures are researched?

do you *really* know it?

get back at me once you do.

a study can be started independently at any given time.ffs.

Like I said, you have no idea.

To be taken seriously it has to be published in a respected journal.
The people who sit on the editing panels for such journals are all controlled medics of the type described.

You state "when new cures are researched".
Can you give an example ? I missed that one.

[hadabusa]

Like I said, you have no idea.

To be taken seriously it has to be published in a respected journal.
The people who sit on the editing panels for such journals are all controlled medics of the type described.

You state "when new cures are researched".
Can you give an example ? I missed that one.

yes, might be.

but still, independent study can be done anytime & be published in publish per pay mags, if needed be.
and it can be forwarded to peers wo need to publish.

why are there none?


new cures i didnt mean cancer specifically, i meant for any new drug.

also, wouldnt you think, if mms, soda&snakeoil cured cancer, the bigfarma would simply patent it&sell for tremendous money?

a deaded patient means cashflow stop,you know.

[hoverfly]

yes, might be.

but still, independent study can be done anytime & be published in publish per pay mags, if needed be.
and it can be forwarded to peers wo need to publish.

why are there none?


new cures i didnt mean cancer specifically, i meant for any new drug.

also, wouldnt you think, if mms, soda&snakeoil cured cancer, the bigfarma would simply patent it&sell for tremendous money?

a deaded patient means cashflow stop,you know.

You live in cloud cuckoo land.
Give any example of such a study, giving proof of a cure ?
It would not be allowed, especially if it's a natural/non-drug treatment.

As for mms, big pharma has more to lose by losing out on all it's current cancer treatments. If patients are being cured, then there are no more patients left to treat.

As far new cures for ANY disease, name any new drug - out of the thousands developed - that has cured a disease.
Get real hada.

[hadabusa]

You live in cloud cuckoo land.
Give any example of such a study, giving proof of a cure ?
It would not be allowed, especially if it's a natural/non-drug treatment.

As for mms, big pharma has more to lose by losing out on all it's current cancer treatments. If patients are being cured, then there are no more patients left to treat.

As far new cures for ANY disease, name any new drug - out of the thousands developed - that has cured a disease.
Get real hada.

well, preciselly bc many products fail in the selection process.

look, i think all pharma is corrupt, science is being twisted according to monetary dictate&much more.

but cancer is no funghus.

[hadabusa]

hoover, ffs, READ

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/aysha-and-tullio-simoncini/

what say you?

nice chap?

revolutionary anti "sharks" pioneer?

plain greedy charlatan?

[hadabusa]

oh,as for bigfarma suppressing research on this


http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/tullio-simoncini-and-the-research-that-wasnt/


:rolleyes:

[hoverfly]

oh,as for bigfarma suppressing research on this


http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/tullio-simoncini-and-the-research-that-wasnt/


:rolleyes:

He is saying 'MAINSTREAM' researchers will turn a blind eye, but that he himself has done research.

[winegums]

He is saying 'MAINSTREAM' researchers will turn a blind eye, but that he himself has done research.

read the article to its end. There has been research on NaHCO3 as a treatment.

[hadabusa]

He is saying 'MAINSTREAM' researchers will turn a blind eye, but that he himself has done research.

have you READ the article?
:confused:

theres links to studys by............mainstream.

TS even cites them for his purposes(after twisting them).

[hoverfly]

read the article to its end. There has been research on NaHCO3 as a treatment.

Yes, your correct.

I hadn't read it all.

Don't know what to think, to be honest.

Has to said, the site is hardly neutral.

[hadabusa]

Yes, your correct.

I hadn't read it all.

Don't know what to think, to be honest.

Has to said, the site is hardly neutral.

its factually correct, tough.
itsa blog of italian docs(oncologist, pathologue), they're pissed at TS, but ive yet to see a lie by them.

they adress matters reasonably.

[quetzalcoatl]

Dr Tullio Simoncini gave a presentation for The Shen Clinic on the Isle of Wight on Saturday October 9th 2010. The venue was full to capacity with many people unable to obtain tickets (if you were one of these then we would recommend you book early for all events run by The Shen to avoid this sort of disappointment). Interested participants came from Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Holland, Belgium, France and various parts of the UK. These included curious medical practitioners. Dr Simoncini received a standing ovation. David Icke also gave a fantastic talk, followed by his interviewing Dr Simoncini. Which was sensational. He put questions to Simoncini regarding both his work and character in the presence of a capacity audience. This was filmed, and you can see this shortly on both this site and at www.theshenclini.com.

You funny wee man, don't make me bring-up the links! :p - or alternatively; yeah right, thanks for bringing this to our attention eh... & I'm glad the event twas a rip-roaring success, tis true, despite myself not currently subscribing to the authenticity of this theory, I'm glad it went well... :)

Now, how bout you answer the on-topic question directed @ you in response of what seems some sort of attempt @ throwing ya massive intellectual weight around like... - well, obviously (without pulling links) you'd be silly to promote a theory you yourself don't believe in... & hopefully you can do this without further projected parts of you own character... ;)

of course, i was just responding to your question. would you mind providing what you think? just curious seeing as you singled me out to ask that question.

So, ya still reckon cancer to be a fungal infection yeah?? - yes, I'm laughing (in a non-critical or disrespectful way) already... :p

Thank you for this post. Like myself, don't worry about criticism. These are your views, and we should respect both them and you for sharing them with us.

Hmmm.... criticism is / was, somewhere, somehow is it?? :confused: - did they hurt you so bad?? Yer well same ere, generally...

Well, juz dun see any valid reason for continual brake-downs in communication is all...

[mikelambert]

You funny wee man, don't make me bring-up the links! :p - or alternatively; yeah right, thanks for bringing this to our attention eh... & I'm glad the event twas a rip-roaring success, tis true, despite myself not currently subscribing to the authenticity of this theory, I'm glad it went well... :)

Now, how bout you answer the on-topic question directed @ you in response of what seems some sort of attempt @ throwing ya massive intellectual weight around like... - well, obviously (without pulling links) you'd be silly to promote a theory you yourself don't believe in... & hopefully you can do this without further projected parts of you own character... ;)



So, ya still reckon cancer to be a fungal infection yeah?? - yes, I'm laughing (in a non-critical or disrespectful way) already... :p



Hmmm.... criticism is / was, somewhere, somehow is it?? :confused: - did they hurt you so bad?? Yer well same ere, generally...

Well, juz dun see any valid reason for continual brake-downs in communication is all...

Me projecting parts of my character !!!!!, have you read some of the stuff you're writing?
I'm not sure if your posts are meant to come over as mildly aggressive, but if they are, keep in mind that most aggression is FEAR.

As Mark Twain said "Just because it said so, doesn't mean it is so"

Most peoples lives are lived through the views and thoughts of others, I'm not sure where yours are coming from. Apart from others.

Sorry about not answering your post immediately, but strange as this may sound to you, there are some people who are very unwell, and at this moment their need for my time is significantly more important than answering your mail. So, please be patient.

I'm not sure how many hours you work every week, but mine works out at around 90 hours, plus.

Further to this - if you do not believe in any of the theories of Tullio Simoncini then that's fine, but, a significant number of people with personal experience may disagree with you.

These people might say that they will content themselves that they are right, without having to prove you wrong.

[blue2]

All i know of candida overgrowth is massive ulceration and haemhorrage from my throat throughout digestive tract,incl stomach back in 95', and it was thought i may have cancer as my father had died young from stomach cancer, believe me it mimicked a heart attack which i was so treated for,when healthy we have the buds within colon if i recall correctly and when our immune systems are challenged say from neg stress overload and eating wrong types of foods that the human body cannot digest the broken chain proteins from..then you build up a weakness and the parasite elongates and takes over your body, and brain. It was one of the most painful and scariest times of my life..and i do believe cancer is caused by fungal overgrowth because i am sure i was as close as anyone could be to the next stage and certainly near death. Having said that about todays processed and highly refined supermarket foods my dad died in 1950 before supermarket foods but lived in countryside but if it had been say pesticides then my mother would have got it but she died of MND some 18yrs later having lived town life..

[quetzalcoatl]

All i know of candida overgrowth is massive ulceration and haemhorrage from my throat throughout digestive tract,incl stomach back in 95', and it was thought i may have cancer as my father had died young from stomach cancer, believe me it mimicked a heart attack which i was so treated for,when healthy we have the buds within colon if i recall correctly and when our immune systems are challenged say from neg stress overload and eating wrong types of foods that the human body cannot digest the broken chain proteins from..then you build up a weakness and the parasite elongates and takes over your body, and brain. It was one of the most painful and scariest times of my life..and i do believe cancer is caused by fungal overgrowth because i am sure i was as close as anyone could be to the next stage and certainly near death. Having said that about todays processed and highly refined supermarket foods my dad died in 1950 before supermarket foods but lived in countryside but if it had been say pesticides then my mother would have got it but she died of MND some 18yrs later having lived town life..

Oh man, das sound like some bad-ass shite...

I agree there's most probably a direct link with fungal infections (as-in; out of control infestations), yet, apparently the science is that it is the immune systems response of upping the production of whatever cells are infected which increases the risk of producing mutated cells, which then in-turn can become cancerous.

As for cancer being a fungus itself, I very much doubt - the science (tried, tested & proven knowing) is that it's genetic...

Personally I reckon there's only one true "cure" - just bloody well don't get it! :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Me projecting parts of my character !!!!!, have you read some of the stuff you're writing?
I'm not sure if your posts are meant to come over as mildly aggressive, but if they are, keep in mind that most aggression is FEAR.

As Mark Twain said "Just because it said so, doesn't mean it is so"

Most peoples lives are lived through the views and thoughts of others, I'm not sure where yours are coming from. Apart from others.

Sorry about not answering your post immediately, but strange as this may sound to you, there are some people who are very unwell, and at this moment their need for my time is significantly more important than answering your mail. So, please be patient.

I'm not sure how many hours you work every week, but mine works out at around 90 hours, plus.

Further to this - if you do not believe in any of the theories of Tullio Simoncini then that's fine, but, a significant number of people with personal experience may disagree with you.

These people might say that they will content themselves that they are right, without having to prove you wrong.

Forget this mildly BFS, surely I was going for full-blown aggression?? :rolleyes: LOL!

Look, mike, basically I struggle to make coherent sense out of some of your interactions - although tis really not taken personally, here's one example anyway;

http://davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059313236&postcount=42

But yeah, sure, thanks for taking the time to 'answer' mr. originality... :p - perhaps that'll get ya back-up so more?? :eek: but seriously, I'm tryna be light-hearted (like there's plenty more I could pick @ there :p) so calm down, no need to get all excited...

Yeah & Mark Twain was prolly meaning; juz coz ya ass say it so, without undeniable evidence, doesn't make it so... ;)

Basically, if cancer was a simple - as opposed to rapid production of complex genetic anomalies - fungus, shouldn't there be more effective cures other than baking-soda?? & even be readily available, more main-steam & accepted??

But of-course there's no profit in the cure (despite multi-millions of dollars going into cancer research annually) & the big-pharma Reptilians obviously don't want healthy, productive slaves now do they... :rolleyes:

[the lorax]

So, ya still reckon cancer to be a fungal infection yeah?? - yes, I'm laughing (in a non-critical or disrespectful way) already... :p


Was this directed at me or mikelambert? It sounds like we have the same opinion, I just can't tell because of your posting style. Honestly, it's really hard to follow what you're trying to say. Please try not to post in pure slang. I talk with a lot of slang myself, but you have to realize that it doesn't translate to the internet, and it takes away from the credibility of your posts.

Me projecting parts of my character !!!!!, have you read some of the stuff you're writing?
I'm not sure if your posts are meant to come over as mildly aggressive, but if they are, keep in mind that most aggression is FEAR.

As Mark Twain said "Just because it said so, doesn't mean it is so"

Most peoples lives are lived through the views and thoughts of others, I'm not sure where yours are coming from. Apart from others.

Sorry about not answering your post immediately, but strange as this may sound to you, there are some people who are very unwell, and at this moment their need for my time is significantly more important than answering your mail. So, please be patient.

I'm not sure how many hours you work every week, but mine works out at around 90 hours, plus.

Further to this - if you do not believe in any of the theories of Tullio Simoncini then that's fine, but, a significant number of people with personal experience may disagree with you.

These people might say that they will content themselves that they are right, without having to prove you wrong.
I'm looking forward to your response/opinion when you get the time :D

[quetzalcoatl]

Was this directed at me or mikelambert? It sounds like we have the same opinion, I just can't tell because of your posting style. Honestly, it's really hard to follow what you're trying to say. Please try not to post in pure slang. I talk with a lot of slang myself, but you have to realize that it doesn't translate to the internet, and it takes away from the credibility of your posts.


I'm looking forward to your response/opinion when you get the time :D

LMAO! credibility of a post (& mine of all things :D), my God, das a good un! - this ain't the court of federalies pal... So ya talk with alot of slang is it?? sounds riveting buddy, is that like one of ya hobbies or something?? tis a shame tho ya can't decipher it on-line tho, perhaps tis something to do with it not really even being there??

Allow me to make a few suggestions; don't follow it, hit ignore function & STFU! - seriously tho, twas tryna ask mike his opinion on this, yet all anyone seems to get is off-topic conversationally in-coherent ramblings & defensive dismissals without backing anything up... But woteva if ya happy being treated with what seems slightly patronizing passive aggressive evasions, then fine by me... juz do STFU tho, for realz man! :p

Basically, in your failure to understand you've not factor-in one possibility; the fact that I has next to no credibility wot-so-eva here... - tis a good thing tho... :D

Sure... :D

Look dude, the guy pulls 90+ hour weeks, there ain't no time for yay or nays... - yet all this other stuff, das some high-priority shite... :p

[mikelambert]

Was this directed at me or mikelambert? It sounds like we have the same opinion, I just can't tell because of your posting style. Honestly, it's really hard to follow what you're trying to say. Please try not to post in pure slang. I talk with a lot of slang myself, but you have to realize that it doesn't translate to the internet, and it takes away from the credibility of your posts.


I'm looking forward to your response/opinion when you get the time :D

As I said - I believe that most illness and disease is Mycotic including many forms of Cancer. You do not have to agree.

However, it seems to me that most people don't really care what other people say, provided they say what they are thinking. Unfortunately this leads nowhere, except in a reduction of anxiety within the person whose views are being challenged.

My own view is that the gene theory is false in the vast majority of cases, and in many peoples opinion it is an establishment view. Genes have to be switched on. You cannot improve on a false theory, and again in my opinion, this is why nobody with an establishment view really understands cancer, and therefore its prevention and cure.

Of course there are many other establishment views and beliefs.

For example -

How many people do think have ever been cured by gene therapy? ZERO

How many of Steven Hawkins theories have ever been verified? ZERO

As I say, you cannot improve on false theories, in my view.

[the lorax]

off-topic conversationally in-coherent ramblings & defensive dismissals without backing anything up
Jah mon, seem to me ya be describin yerrself purrfektley. Ya think I shood stawp postin cause sum randum bloke tryna intimidate me on the internet? Yuh rite thoe, lemme juss go back ta facebook anne update ma status, cumplaning aboot tha interwebz bullyin.

Take your hate elsewhere.
"Infinite Love is the Only Truth"


As I said - I believe that most illness and disease is Mycotic including many forms of Cancer. You do not have to agree.

However, it seems to me that most people don't really care what other people say, provided they say what they are thinking. Unfortunately this leads nowhere, except in a reduction of anxiety within the person whose views are being challenged.

My own view is that the gene theory is false in the vast majority of cases, and in many peoples opinion it is an establishment view. Genes have to be switched on. You cannot improve on a false theory, and again in my opinion, this is why nobody with an establishment view really understands cancer, and therefore its prevention and cure.

Of course there are many other establishment views and beliefs.

For example -

How many people do think have ever been cured by gene therapy? ZERO

How many of Steven Hawkins theories have ever been verified? ZERO

As I say, you cannot improve on false theories, in my view.
What about the gene theory do you not believe? Mutated genes can definitely be expressed (or "turned on"). That's why certain types of diseases/disabilities can be passed through several generations with common occurrence but still skip (or be uncommon in) a generation here and there. Hence, the random coding of semi-randomly expressed traits.... But I'm sure you knew that already. I'm open to hearing a better explanation or genetic variation but I haven't come across anything and until we do, genetic theory makes the most sense and it works. It's not like genetics is a theory that belongs to the establishment. I mean, come on, the double helix was discovered by two young kids tripping on acid. Unlike the theory of global warming, it's a popular theory because it works.

I think we don't understand enough about cancers and we might be lumping too many diseases into one category that needs to be split up in a similar way that many taxonomist are doing with organism classification nowadays.

Stop saying people don't care about what you say. I wouldn't be responding to you if I didn't care.

[quetzalcoatl]

Jah mon, seem to me ya be describin yerrself purrfektley. Ya think I shood stawp postin cause sum randum bloke tryna intimidate me on the internet? Yuh rite thoe, lemme juss go back ta facebook anne update ma status, cumplaning aboot tha interwebz bullyin.

Take your hate elsewhere.
"Infinite Love is the Only Truth"



What about the gene theory do you not believe? Mutated genes can definitely be expressed (or "turned on"). That's why certain types of diseases/disabilities can be passed through several generations with common occurrence but still skip (or be uncommon in) a generation here and there. Hence, the random coding of semi-randomly expressed traits.... But I'm sure you knew that already. I'm open to hearing a better explanation or genetic variation but I haven't come across anything and until we do, genetic theory makes the most sense and it works. It's not like genetics is a theory that belongs to the establishment. I mean, come on, the double helix was discovered by two young kids tripping on acid. Unlike the theory of global warming, it's a popular theory because it works.

I think we don't understand enough about cancers and we might be lumping too many diseases into one category that needs to be split up in a similar way that many taxonomist are doing with organism classification nowadays.

Stop saying people don't care about what you say. I wouldn't be responding to you if I didn't care.

Alrighty then... well twas joking (granted twasn't funnies) wif da STFU's yo... - but seriously dude, STFU! nope, I'm still joking... :p

Yeah, so twas all about you anyway eh?? juz do woteva ya like... yet "trying to intimidate ya" / "bulling" oh man, lighten-up! - argh well, can't be fuct locking horns (or whatever ya perceive is going on) over random BFS, so to get back on-topic;

Obviously fungal infections, like candida, can play a role in the development of cancer, yet as for it being a fungus in & of itself, I'm still not seeing sufficient evidence / data to support it... - I get it if these fringe techniques (although, I still slightly skeptical of some treatments) are treating one of the risk increasing factors, like in your case, lorax?? if you perhaps nipped a genetic predisposition or risk factor in the bud??

Still I lean toward the scientific explanation that it is the immune systems response to fungal infection (rapidly upping production of infected cells) which is the main link...

Basically; cancer is a fungus = fail.

[mikelambert]

Alrighty then... well twas joking (granted twasn't funnies) wif da STFU's yo... - but seriously dude, STFU! nope, I'm still joking... :p

Yeah, so twas all about you anyway eh?? juz do woteva ya like... yet "trying to intimidate ya" / "bulling" oh man, lighten-up! - argh well, can't be fuct locking horns (or whatever ya perceive is going on) over random BFS, so to get back on-topic;

Obviously fungal infections, like candida, can play a role in the development of cancer, yet as for it being a fungus in & of itself, I'm still not seeing sufficient evidence / data to support it... - I get it if these fringe techniques (although, I still slightly skeptical of some treatments) are treating one of the risk increasing factors, like in your case, lorax?? if you perhaps nipped a genetic predisposition or risk factor in the bud??

Still I lean toward the scientific explanation that it is the immune systems response to fungal infection (rapidly upping production of infected cells) which is the main link...

Basically; cancer is a fungus = fail.

There you go then.

[quetzalcoatl]

There you go then.

Very well then. Kinda had an historical impression you were a staunch advocate of cancer literally being a fungus (or candida itself), I may have been mis-informed...

[anyuser]

I've been hearing some about baking soda and maple syrup combined but don't really understand. Does someone here know about it?

BAKING SODA AND MAPLE SYRUP CANCER TREATMENT (Updated

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/health/holistic_alternative_medicine/news.php?q=1209404469

What?? Baking Soda and Maple Syrup??

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22036

Simoncini Treatment ($3 for the entire treatment) (Baking Soda)
Always Use Baking Soda With NO Aluminum, such as Bob's Red Mill Baking Soda

This treatment was developed by an oncologist in Italy and uses Baking Soda. The rest of this section are general comments about the treatment sent to me by an associate of Dr. Simoncini:

For mouth, stomach, intestinal, rectal, oral cancers (if not infiltrated), they should take 1 TEAspoon with glass of water in the morning and 1 in the evening every day for one month. Cancer should be cleared.

NOTE: In most cases the Simoncini treatment requires medical help in the form of injections or IVs. However, in the case of mouth, stomach, intestinal, rectal and oral cancer (which may include throat cancer) this highly effective treatment can be used by simply putting baking soda (without aluminum) in a glass of water. TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY IF THIS APPLIES!! The "Vitamin C and Baking Soda" treatment discussed below will likely also help these kinds of cancer!!

For most other types of cancer, an infustion of 500CC with 5% bicarbonate of soda in the vein, every day for 6 days, then 6 days with nothing, and so on until 24 total infusions. After that check with a scan whether cancer is cleared.

http://www.cancertutor.com/faq/faq_inexpensive.html


Make sure you get baking sode WITHOUT aluminium in it. They put it in as an anti-clumping agent, and most foodgrade baking soda contains it, as do all the commercial baking powders.

Aluminium (along with flouride) is horrible on the pineal gland....one helps with the uptake of the other, so a bad combo.

You can purchase aluminium-free baking soda, but you have to search for it in organic food shops etc. It may be available online.

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Yeah but... but... will it list aluminum if it's in there??
No it doesn't list it, so what you have to purchase is what is called "Aluminium-Free Baking Soda" on the packet.

Thing is there is that much complexity in modern medicine, that probably ALL the real cures are there, just staring us in the face. They bombard us with scientific technology and programme the medical fraternity, and you cant blame them, because they dont know any different (left side dominant).

I read that Maple syrup with Cinnamon cures flu symptoms in the ratio of two teaspoons of syrup to one of cinnamon. some thing to try next bug I get.

The one amazing product I take is MMS (Miracle Mineral Supplement).

Lots of evidence out there that Cancer, Aids, Morgellons, etc are all bloodborne pathogens. Simple Sodium Chlorite is MMS.

http://www.miraclemineral.org/

"The answer to AIDS, hepatitis A,B and C, malaria, herpes, TB, most cancer and many more of mankind's worse diseases has been found. Many diseases are now easily controlled. More that 75,000 disease victims have been included in the field tests in Africa. Scientific clinical trials have been conducted in a prison in the country of Malawi, East Africa."

Ironically it is used everywhere as a medical washdown
Cant harm you at all because its a mineral.
Interestingly he took it to Bill Gates for sponsorship, who point blank refused
and said it would need to go through the FDA. Of course FDA want $100000 for testing anything, which is obviously designed to make you give up.
Also took it to the WHO, didnt want to know. So the guy did the experiments himself, curing 398 out of 400 terminal AIDS patients. These were terminal as well, they were told to go home because there was nothing anyone could do for them.

Free book on the site there about it and a follow up book at only 10 euros or dollars which I also read. Fascinating stuff. One man changing so much with something so simple.


BAKING SODA AND ALUMINUM
9/13/2007: Raphael from Stow, Ohio writes: "everyone who is using a lot of baking soda, should make sure you are getting aluminum FREE baking soda. As we all know aluminum is not something we want in us. Most baking soda you get will have aluminum in it. Google "aluminum free baking soda" to find some."

EC: Actually, one of our readers already spent a good deal of time researching this topic a year ago:

8/9/2006: Methuselah from Los Angeles writes, "...

For sodium bicarbonate, I use the regular Arm & Hammer baking soda that you can find in any grocery store. I contacted them also, and they told me that they do not add anything to their baking soda although they do not have any chemical analysis of the soda ash (a mined mineral deposit) from which they make their baking soda by adding carbon dioxide in a solution--i.e., no additives or stabilizers. I hope that this information answers your question. Please let me know if you need more information. Have a great week and keep up the good work. Also thanks for all the help."

Above post and links should help. I have combed the net and that is what I found above.

[the lorax]

Click it:

http://americaisretarded.com/cancer.png

[domino1108]

There are so many people on this forum dying to tell you they know everything
Somehow they become an expert critic on everything, trying to shut down openminded discusiion that might lead to someone finding out something "for themselves"

They are Agents. Be open and go with your gut feeling on these people.

They come in and spoil every thread and dazzling with sceinetific proof, from knowledge, that is outmoded, constricted, and hasnt been updated for years.

Cancer is a fungus, Candida people do your research

Bicarbonate Soda with mayple syrup is one of many cancer cures

like Hemp Oil

Asparagus

The Gerson therapy

and many diet based cures

Go search and see for yourself

[winegums]

Cancer is a fungus, Candida people do your research

Bicarbonate Soda with mayple syrup is one of many cancer cures

like Hemp Oil

Asparagus

The Gerson therapy

and many diet based cures

Go search and see for yourself

It's a wonder anyone has cancer, what with all these things magically curing it. And all types of cancer too, I take it? Just for funsies, you got any mechanisms of action? The bicarbonate thing is especially embarassing...alkelosis and cancer aren't mutually exclusive.

[domino1108]

It's a wonder anyone has cancer, what with all these things magically curing it. And all types of cancer too, I take it? Just for funsies, you got any mechanisms of action? The bicarbonate thing is especially embarassing...alkelosis and cancer aren't mutually exclusive.

Love opens, Mind, controls :)

[nirvanix]

What I feel cancer is, is your own body reacting to something that doesn't belong. That could be a toxin, a fungus, a virus, etc. Your immune system, as a late resort, can induce a tumour to grow around the invading entity and wait for a more opportune moment to deal with it. Your body also produces a chemical called TNF (tumour necrosis factor) that can destroy the tumour. That is, unless your body is overloaded with benzene which prohibits the production of TNF. All of these things that people find to help deal with cancer are things that provide your immune system a more stable footing. Living foods (Gerson therapy), vitamin D, etc are immune system boosters. Bicarb of soda can help neutralize a very acidic system which is a detriment to the immune system. It's all basic science.

[domino1108]

= Bicarb of soda can help neutralize a very acidic system which is a detriment to the immune system. It's all basic science.

Exactly and poor diet is one of the main reasons for anomalies in the body, most food is poisoned and why for the life of me in the US can a Food and Drug administration, be put together, defys belief.

Does anyone really believe that food isnt Engineered, to make people ill.

Its low level poisoning, that has an accumalitive effect

[ytch]

Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote:

Cancer is the absence of god.

which makes sense at some level..

[the lorax]

What I feel cancer is, is your own body reacting to something that doesn't belong. That could be a toxin, a fungus, a virus, etc. Your immune system, as a late resort, can induce a tumour to grow around the invading entity and wait for a more opportune moment to deal with it. Your body also produces a chemical called TNF (tumour necrosis factor) that can destroy the tumour. That is, unless your body is overloaded with benzene which prohibits the production of TNF. All of these things that people find to help deal with cancer are things that provide your immune system a more stable footing. Living foods (Gerson therapy), vitamin D, etc are immune system boosters. Bicarb of soda can help neutralize a very acidic system which is a detriment to the immune system. It's all basic science.
What do you think about non-tumorous cancers like Leukemia and Lymphoma?


Johann Wolfgang von Goethe wrote:

Cancer is the absence of god.

which makes sense at some level..
What level does that make sense on? I can't wrap my head around that comment.

[nirvanix]

Good question Lorax, thanks. Obviously your body can't deal with a blood cancer by making a tumour as it would likely kill you. I know that a common cause for leukemia is radiation. Interestingly enough, seems many of the first responders of 9/11 have gotten leukemia.

I had a friend that died of it about 10 years ago. Correction, he was pronounced cured of leukemia but the chemo destroyed his heart and he died anyway.

I still think sufferers would be helped by a tuned-up immune system. Might be worth cross-checking Gerson therapy with leukemia to see what can be found.

By the way, I hope everybody knows what Dr Albert Schweitzer said about Gerson:

Schweitzer wrote "I see in Dr. Gerson one of the most eminent geniuses in the history of medicine."