current affairs of next gen gaming consoles

[huyi]

has anyone noticed how controlling all the next gen consles seem to be?

back in the day when you brought a console it never changed it always stayed the same no matter what, no firmware updates, no intrusions survaliance or anything like that, now we have all that and the thing that worries me is no one seems to take notice of it.

nintendo:

has "firmware updates" that can be forced upon you and installed against your will, nintendo has the power to remotely view what you are playing DRM controlled wii shop channel, where whatever you buy you don't actually "own" if your console breaks down you have to buy everything again!

microsoft:

is the very strictest of them all! if you get out of line, have anything that microsoft don't want you to have your console gets "banned" and this happens:

all your saves are corrupt and you are unable to recover them
all your achievement points are deleted and returned to 0
even if you transfer your hard drive to another console it will still be corrupt and on top of that the new console will now be "infected" i see this as vandalism breaching of rights and intrusive behaviour, how is this right?

sony:

sony are the "surveillance" type where they know what you are playing and when, they have the most harsh DRM on their content and force firmware updates on you if you like it or not, you cannot refuse, if you do refuse you are unable to go online and play games and blu ray moves that you rightly paid for, their DRM doesn't stop there, they do a similar thing to nintendo with the wii shop channel, if you use up 5 ps3s you are unable to access your content that you rightly paid for, tough luck if you payed £1000's worth of games, you won't be getting it back! on top of that YLOD is a big problem on the ps3, loads of users loose activations due to YLOD and sony will not not do anything about it, why should they? they have your money after all and are laughing all the way to the bank.

with the recent "freedom" released into the wild sony are making sure no one can do what they want with their ps3 console even if you rightly payed for it it's not for you to decide, they have control over YOUR system you payed a lot of money for, you don't have any right in the matter, mass remote control on all ps3s in the world at a touch of a button thanks to the internet.

what if this type of control was put into other technology like TVs, e.t.c imagine watching tv and all of a sudden remotely the higher ups can control in real time what you watch on tv at a press of a button, the illuminati can already brainwash us with subliminal messages and put stuff in our music, films so whats stopping them from expanding that control? like chips in the body, they can control whatever you do remotely by force, is this the world that everyone wants to live in?

how come gaming has become like this and why are people accepting this as normal? 20 years ago this would have been unheard off, since the invention of the internet things have changed a lot, even the nintendo DS has a form of control on it too, discuss!

edit: this is the type of behaviour i am talking about!

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/dsi/en_na/systemMenuFeatures.jsp

recent attack by nintendo ¬_¬ remote controlled firmware updates on your Wii and DS!

[dontpushme]

apparently the new microsoft kinetic (the new camera body controller) can lip read, seems to me that is a potential surveillance tool. (dunno if it can translate lip movement into actual language tho, at least straight outta box)

as for OP, i'd say these companies are just out to try and protect their IPs, back 20 years ago, games didnt cost millions that they cost nowadays.

[kahn2010]

good job i'm a PC gamer then.......


Simple solution:

Dont buy the next gen Playstation/Xbox/WII!

[huyi]

good job i'm a PC gamer then.......


Simple solution:

Dont buy the next gen Playstation/Xbox/WII!

i won't be, the way that gaming is progressing i certainly not interested, it will be too weired, we all know that virtual reality will be coming soon, they already have the technology to control games with our brains.

yeah i noticed that about that microsoft kinect a very certain way that they can watch what you are doing.

[actaeons_revenge]

nintendo:

has "firmware updates" that can be forced upon you and installed against your will, nintendo has the power to remotely view what you are playing DRM controlled wii shop channel, where whatever you buy you don't actually "own" if your console breaks down you have to buy everything again!

microsoft:

is the very strictest of them all! if you get out of line, have anything that microsoft don't want you to have your console gets "banned" and this happens:

all your saves are corrupt and you are unable to recover them
all your achievement points are deleted and returned to 0
even if you transfer your hard drive to another console it will still be corrupt and on top of that the new console will now be "infected" i see this as vandalism breaching of rights and intrusive behaviour, how is this right?

sony:

sony are the "surveillance" type where they know what you are playing and when, they have the most harsh DRM on their content and force firmware updates on you if you like it or not, you cannot refuse, if you do refuse you are unable to go online and play games and blu ray moves that you rightly paid for, their DRM doesn't stop there, they do a similar thing to nintendo with the wii shop channel, if you use up 5 ps3s you are unable to access your content that you rightly paid for, tough luck if you payed £1000's worth of games, you won't be getting it back! on top of that YLOD is a big problem on the ps3, loads of users loose activations due to YLOD and sony will not not do anything about it, why should they? they have your money after all and are laughing all the way to the bank.

with the recent "freedom" released into the wild sony are making sure no one can do what they want with their ps3 console even if you rightly payed for it it's not for you to decide, they have control over YOUR system you payed a lot of money for, you don't have any right in the matter, mass remote control on all ps3s in the world at a touch of a button thanks to the internet.


Yeah, this shit is sickening now in the game industry. If I want to play a game that's more recent than the PS2 era, I'll just get it for the PC. Not much of this next gen bullshit is worth playing anyway.

[alexc]

It's all about control. In a few years these devices will monitor the consumer goods in your home so they can pop up customized advertisements.

[huyi]

sony are at it again, with firmware 3.50 this time they are blocking 3rd party devices from working on the latest firmware update, the sly thing is sony never told anyone about this only AFTER everyone has updated.

i find this practice illegal and immoral and you know they are going to get away with it aswell unless people stand up against them.

http://www.vg247.com/2010/09/23/report-ps3-firmware-3-50-disables-some-third-party-usb-adapters/

what are they going to remove next? blu ray player? hard drive? i wouldn't put it past sony, they have already removed other OS, nothing is stopping them now.

[fitafita]

has anyone noticed how controlling all the next gen consles seem to be?

back in the day when you brought a console it never changed it always stayed the same no matter what, no firmware updates, no intrusions survaliance or anything like that, now we have all that and the thing that worries me is no one seems to take notice of it.

nintendo:

has "firmware updates" that can be forced upon you and installed against your will, nintendo has the power to remotely view what you are playing DRM controlled wii shop channel, where whatever you buy you don't actually "own" if your console breaks down you have to buy everything again!

microsoft:

is the very strictest of them all! if you get out of line, have anything that microsoft don't want you to have your console gets "banned" and this happens:

all your saves are corrupt and you are unable to recover them
all your achievement points are deleted and returned to 0
even if you transfer your hard drive to another console it will still be corrupt and on top of that the new console will now be "infected" i see this as vandalism breaching of rights and intrusive behaviour, how is this right?

sony:

sony are the "surveillance" type where they know what you are playing and when, they have the most harsh DRM on their content and force firmware updates on you if you like it or not, you cannot refuse, if you do refuse you are unable to go online and play games and blu ray moves that you rightly paid for, their DRM doesn't stop there, they do a similar thing to nintendo with the wii shop channel, if you use up 5 ps3s you are unable to access your content that you rightly paid for, tough luck if you payed £1000's worth of games, you won't be getting it back! on top of that YLOD is a big problem on the ps3, loads of users loose activations due to YLOD and sony will not not do anything about it, why should they? they have your money after all and are laughing all the way to the bank.

with the recent "freedom" released into the wild sony are making sure no one can do what they want with their ps3 console even if you rightly payed for it it's not for you to decide, they have control over YOUR system you payed a lot of money for, you don't have any right in the matter, mass remote control on all ps3s in the world at a touch of a button thanks to the internet.

what if this type of control was put into other technology like TVs, e.t.c imagine watching tv and all of a sudden remotely the higher ups can control in real time what you watch on tv at a press of a button, the illuminati can already brainwash us with subliminal messages and put stuff in our music, films so whats stopping them from expanding that control? like chips in the body, they can control whatever you do remotely by force, is this the world that everyone wants to live in?

how come gaming has become like this and why are people accepting this as normal? 20 years ago this would have been unheard off, since the invention of the internet things have changed a lot, even the nintendo DS has a form of control on it too, discuss!

edit: this is the type of behaviour i am talking about!

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/dsi/en_na/systemMenuFeatures.jsp

recent attack by nintendo ¬_¬ remote controlled firmware updates on your Wii and DS!


Well dont do online gaming. I mean they cant access it if its not hooked up to the internet right? You can still play the games without having your console monitored. Even if you wanna get DLC's and stuff like that. Buy a cheap hard-drive and put it in a friends X-box to DL stuff off X-box live etc.. I mean im not into gaming all that much. So I dont know much bout the subject but sounds like that would work. I just cant see a way of accessing your console without it being connected to the internet.

[disorder2k8]

And people wonder why game piracy exists. :confused:

[draconis]

There's special homebrew portable consoles by the name of GP2X and Pandora nowadays that are an alternative to the big names and allow people to create their own titles as well as play games from a variety of classic systems. I have a gp2x f1 myself and it's great for retrogaming..

I have to admit I recently got an xbox360 to see what the latest games are capable of as well as check out Red Dead Redemption. Much to my dismay, there's a lot of rewriting of history by introducing the scummy BlackWater bountyhunter corps.(e) into Americas western mythology.

[spoons]

The strongest control method in games is that we have more freedom within the game than the real world... and so gamers keep going back to them day after day.

[huyi]

There's special homebrew portable consoles by the name of GP2X and Pandora nowadays that are an alternative to the big names and allow people to create their own titles as well as play games from a variety of classic systems. I have a gp2x f1 myself and it's great for retrogaming..

I have to admit I recently got an xbox360 to see what the latest games are capable of as well as check out Red Dead Redemption. Much to my dismay, there's a lot of rewriting of history by introducing the scummy BlackWater bountyhunter corps.(e) into Americas western mythology.

yep, i have a old xbox for that, it can emulate all the old consoles, i love it :) nothing like the good old days.

The strongest control method in games is that we have more freedom within the game than the real world... and so gamers keep going back to them day after day.

a lot of games have way too much violence in it on top of all the "free will" you have in games, maybe there is a hidden agenda for video games that we don't know about virtual reality could be part of that.

[huyi]

new "surveillance" tech from nintendo in their new handheld 3DS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyYml3OtKpU&feature=player_embedded

[huyi]

one guy had said this about sony on another website, it is very true about sony and all the other major gaming companies out there right now.

it is not reasonable that these consoles (expensive cost) are constructed like butter and we can not do anything to preserve the health of the lens of our readers (my console model cannot be repaired), While Sony is rubbing his hands when you send to repair a console and them are dedicated to eliminating original features of the console, as PS3 Other OS and Linux, relying on what they think best for your business and not caring a or the feelings of their users or their acquired rights as users and owners of their consoles.

The videogame industry only wants control, oligopoly, money, pursuit of anything that does not benefit their interests and if it is possible, force legal changes using their influence and power while we're just anonymous people we have to endure all the crap on hardware that is passed through a computer, just to avoid taxes.

says it all really, WAKE UP PEOPLE.

[energi]

Pandora

I nearly shat bricks when I found out about its release. I remember reading about it back in 2004 or 2005 and thinking "omg, the future is now, holy crap I must try this out" (this was before the current-gen consoles came out in Sweden, mind you).

The way it's built makes me want to purchase one to learn Linux, coding/programming and mod the living hell out of it - the tech geek inside me has woken up :D

[fennellal]

I have worked for some othe the Worlds Biggest Electronics Companys over the years, From Japan to America and was Involved in the first production of the current 360 for MS.

I can tell you that none of the above thoughts even goes into the Product before Manufacturing & security for each Console is devised by other Companys hired to secure each product such as RSA security etc in some cases its done inhouse.

All consoles run on a Closed Network over the Internet, meaning you are unable to Host or establish a Private connects between other people without going through Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo very own Servers ....

Everything can be and is monitored by each company.

Sony has there very own scrypt and OS not devised from Linux or Windows making it up to a few months ago very secure. (not any longer)

Nintendo are the least secure Company and because they make much of there own games any losses due to piracy work out at a very low % as they make as much money sell Consoles to play the Games.

Microsoft are pulling the wool over peoples Eyes and made a console easy to Hack, this in turn sells more Consoles especially when MS do not make very many games themselves.

MS learnt that by banning consoles this generated new sales of the Console its all in there business Plan.


New consoles will not hit the shelves untill 2015, the main problem being Technology has been pushed to its limites and there is little more to be extracted from Silcone other than splitting it and making more Cores Dual, Quad etc etc.

This is no goods to people making Games because its harder to build a game that need to run and play through from many different Core processors, because Each Core actually represent a single processor, each processor or core can not be linked together for a shared end result.

So you can give a new Gen console a Quad core processor but after you put Data through one Core, piping of Graphicial date through another one and one for Audio each core will be no faster Today than it will in five years unless some other Hardware is developed most likely Diamond processing technology, untill then 3+ Gb Core processors will make no differance to Gaming as we know it.


This is why 3D is been introduced as thechnology can not go forward untill our technology takes a masive Jump like in the 90s from 200mzh processors - 1 Gb Processors 2-3 Gig processors and now Dual & Quad Core.

Nothing New has been introduced and for much of todays technology Dual and Quad if not used on multipial application is still stuck at and around the 3 GB mark

[kahn2010]

virtual reality would only work for FPS and some racing/sports games.

The most you'd get for simulations, strategy and RPG games is either touch screen (which isnt very good) or some sort of head gear thing that means you'd just have to look at things to select them, but you'd still need a keyboard and mouse (or their future equivalent).



Anyway. I've pretty much given up on the FPS genre (unless its from Bohemia interactive) as its all too samey and stupid. So dumbed down its unreal.....

[djbrooks]

Consoles have completely taken over from the pc for gaming, all the game shops now just sell console games, maybe some pc games but a small section.

Tesco in my area have taken all pc games of their shelves just console games.

They will make it really hard to pirate games, who is going to spend all that time doing that, when the companies can ban your console from their service.

[kahn2010]

Consoles have completely taken over from the pc for gaming, all the game shops now just sell console games, maybe some pc games but a small section.

Tesco in my area have taken all pc games of their shelves just console games.

They will make it really hard to pirate games, who is going to spend all that time doing that, when the companies can ban your console from their service.

no offence but your talking bollocks.

Consoles are leading gaming? in total, at any one time, 30 million people are on consoles.

At any one time there are 30 MILLION people using STEAM!

Thats not including the millions who use gamersgate and impulse, and the millions who use all three and maybe other more abscure ones!

Consoles are only really good for sport/racing, FPS and platforming/adventure and arcade games.

For PC's you have a booming (and growing) Strategy, simulation and RPG market.

Two of the biggest companies, who will own PC gaming in another 5 years will be Paradox Interactive (kings of strategy, and now civilian simulations) and Bohemia interactive (the be all and end all of Military and civilian simulations (that can also be FPS (think ArmA 2))).
Chasing close behind in the RTS and RPG market is Blizzard.

And buzzing around those 'Big 3' companies you have loads of smaller independent developers. Paradox and Bohemia both publish the work of companies that produce games in similar genres to what they work on.

Dell, Alienware and their component manufacturers have seen a massive rise in sales, even through a damn recession!

With the exception of Bioware, EA and Activision (and the companies they own) have done a near complete U-turn in PC gaming. They have gone from massively anti-PC to nearly Pro-PC.

Hell, if you were any type of gamer, you'd know that many Xbox fanatics are starting to use their PC's more and more to game, as the games that are on Xbox are also on the PC, but with better gameplay and graphics.

People are abandoning Consoles in droves, you can see it all over the gaming forums.

PC's have advanced, both in hardware and software.

Consoles are stuck 5 -7 years in the past.

[djbrooks]

Lol i hear what you saying kahn, I get totally depressed when I see companies favouring consoles over pc games, it should be balanced.

Game still do have a selection of PC games, but when I do go in, I just see console games plastered over the store. I am not into consoles, I enjoy using the PC playing command and conquer, world of warcraft etc.

I do believe that it should be open to choice.

[moosevens]

no offence but your talking bollocks.

Consoles are leading gaming? in total, at any one time, 30 million people are on consoles.

At any one time there are 30 MILLION people using STEAM!




Thats only because steam runs on startup by default. :P
but consoles are "leading gaming" thats not even arguable. PC almost always gets things last, devs put more effort into consoles. we are talking about real gaming here though?? not the wow crap, using games like that to say the pc is "leading" is like saying the wii counts and blackops is the best cod

[kahn2010]

Thats only because steam runs on startup by default. :P
but consoles are "leading gaming" thats not even arguable. PC almost always gets things last, devs put more effort into consoles. we are talking about real gaming here though?? not the wow crap, using games like that to say the pc is "leading" is like saying the wii counts and blackops is the best cod

no, it not just because steam runs on startup. I'm talking about people who are ingame.

PC's are leading gaming, or soon will in the near future.
How many xbox exclusives have there been recently?

now count how many PC exclusives there have been, and i'm not talking about FPS and sports/racing.

consoles may have the lead in FPS and sports/racing games, but PC's rule in every other genre.

For the assassins creed games the PC release date is the same as consoles.

hell there are even games that come out on PC first then come out on consoles.

[huyi]

just a update to this topic:

i had a look at the cards from the illuminati card game and i saw this card:

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Illuminati-Card-Game/video%20games.png?m=1276954380

what do you think this card represents? harmless fun? a normal guy playing a video game? no! when you analyse this card you see something much more deeper....

look at the mans expression, he looks completely involved with the video game, almost hypnotised.
the glasses he is wearing is sumlar to what technology we have now, let me refresh your memory...
http://brain.pan.e-merchant.com/6/5/06860056/l_06860056.jpg

yes 3D glasses! and how did you think i got to this conclusion? because on the front of his glasses it says "space intruder" it's very obvious that the game he is "playing" is projected inside the glasses for a virtual effect!

now i will explain the "unusual ufo" images on the card, they may seem or look harmless but if you have a closer look you can see they are far from ufos, they are connected to his skin, specifically his head, neck and hands, now i will show you a image of what we have currently in our technology that is very simular to this.

http://www.dailyglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/Mind-Control.jpg

thats correct, they are not ufos but sensors that connect to your brain to "control" the game with your mind, what do you think they have in plan for us in the near future? something that will be completely unimaginable and everyone will be suckered into it thinking it will be harmless fun, imagine what game developers can do directly into your mind against your will then?

they would be able to control your emotions, the way you think react and can imprint images, violent images directly into your brain without you realising it, what kind of future is this for anyone? it's a really sad one at that, i have shown you what i think about this card, also look at this card here.

http://media.adamdodson.org/var/resizes/Illuminati-Card-Game/media%20blitz.png?m=1276953657

they already do this to everyone in video games now "subliminal programming", as technology progress imagine how bad the control will be then, your mind will be fixated just like the man in the illuminati card game, you will be almost "hypnotised" and impervious to what happens around you, open your mind! wake up before it's too late for you to wake up! don't let them make you into a slave! look at the amount of control sony have on their console right now and when they have access to your minds imagine what kind of things they will force you to do against your will, the current consoles are only just a testing grounds before the real bad boys start to roll in so beware.

[mrunhappy]

I find modern games boring. Back in the 80's I would spend hours in the arcade or on my ZX Spectrum...

Games look very realistic nowadays, but they lack the game play that simple and old fashioned games like Amidar and Jet Pac had in spades.... Last PC game I bought was Half-Life 2.. looked great, but after an hour of running up and down some corridor or other trying to work out what I needed to bump or collide with or hit.. I thought, sheesh, there's more to life than this.. and never played it since...

Though if anyone could point me toward something platformy on the PC I would be happy to try it out...

[huyi]

I find modern games boring. Back in the 80's I would spend hours in the arcade or on my ZX Spectrum...

Games look very realistic nowadays, but they lack the game play that simple and old fashioned games like Amidar and Jet Pac had in spades.... Last PC game I bought was Half-Life 2.. looked great, but after an hour of running up and down some corridor or other trying to work out what I needed to bump or collide with or hit.. I thought, sheesh, there's more to life than this.. and never played it since...

Though if anyone could point me toward something platformy on the PC I would be happy to try it out...

indeed games are very realistic, it's not about gameplay now, it's all about realism, soon it will be almost photorealistic and they will be able to put these images into your mind and make you really think you are there, a platformer for the pc? unless you are playing a old skool emulator i doubt you will find anything of interest.

[furling]

It's all about control. In a few years these devices will monitor the consumer goods in your home so they can pop up customized advertisements.

Agree 100%. Technology like xbox connect is being used to get the gullible public, accustomed to being monitored and controlled in their own homes. In 20 or 30 years, this will be the norm. This effects the younger generation far more today.

I find modern games boring. Back in the 80's I would spend hours in the arcade or on my ZX Spectrum...
Games look very realistic nowadays, but they lack the game play that simple and old fashioned games like Amidar and Jet Pac had in spades.... Last PC game I bought was Half-Life 2.. looked great, but after an hour of running up and down some corridor or other trying to work out what I needed to bump or collide with or hit.. I thought, sheesh, there's more to life than this.. and never played it since...


I have to agree. While games may look more real, they are not as fun as the old 8 and 16 bit days. I still have an old NES with mario brothers 3. I even still like my old dreamcast. Don't play much now as, i have many other thing to do. :)