Call to add fluoride to bottle water

[jimijams]

Call to add fluoride to bottle water

BOTTLED water may soon contain added fluoride amid rising concerns about childhood tooth decay.

Consumer, health and industry groups were united yesterday in calls for the national food regulator, Food Standards Australia New Zealand, to overturn its ban on added fluoride. Only naturally occurring fluoride is allowed in bottled water.

Two months ago Prime Minister John Howard described the increase in tooth decay as a national tragedy and called for parents to give children at least one glass of fluoridated tap water a day.

Consumer watchdog Choice said allowing manufacturers to add fluoride to some bottled water would help arrest the dramatic increase in children's tooth decay.

A survey by the Australian Research Centre for Population Oral Health last year showed the rate of permanent tooth decay among 14 and 15-year-olds had increased by more than 70 per cent in the six years to 2002. And about 20 per cent of children aged five and under get at least one filling when they visit the dentist.

"It's the young people from this recent bottled-water generation who are exhibiting the problems with their teeth," Choice spokeswoman Indira Naidoo said. "We want people to have the option of fluoride in their bottled water and we want the manufacturers to clearly label which ones have fluoride and which ones don't," she said.

Australian Dental Association chief executive Robert Boyd-Boland said: "It has been a concern to us that there has been an increased consumption of bottled water that doesn't contain fluoride and that this could be, in part, a factor in the increased decay rates that are being evidenced in children."

Australian Beverages Council chief executive Tony Gentile, in Canberra yesterday to lobby the Government to overturn the ban on added fluoride in bottled water, said bottled water was not linked to the increase in children's tooth decay.

"We believe that the industry is unfairly accused of being a contributor to the rising levels of dental decay … It's due to a multiplicity of other factors including poor dental hygiene and the lack of fluoride in some tap water," he said.

Instead, the bottled-water sector wanted the ban overturned to open another product line.

Australians buy more than 700 million litres of bottled water annually. In the US, where added fluoride is approved, fortified water makes up about 10 per cent of the market.

The Australian Beverages Council has applied to Food Standards Australia New Zealand for permission to add fluoride to bottled water, but this could take up to 12 months. Its application will not be looked into until September.

Regulator spokeswoman Lydia Buchtmann said all applications to fortify food and beverages with vitamins and minerals required rigorous safety assessment and rounds of public comment before approval.

Freedom from Fluoridation Federation of Australia chairman Glen Walker said there was no scientific proof fluoride worked or was safe. "Fluoride is one of the great health scams and money rorts of the century. Compulsory fluoridation has turned out a complete failure because dental decay around Australia is epidemic," he said.

theage.com.au
http://www.smh.com.au/news/health/call-to-add-fluoride-to-bottle-water/2007/02/27/1172338584167.html

[sweet cheeks]

They *ALREADY* put it into some bottled water here in the states! :(

[oneofmany]

It's alright for Indira Naidoo, she'll just drink her own piss if she has to, she's admitted she does, but what about us, the sane people that knows what fluoride does to us. I'm sick to death with their "fake concern" about our children's teeth and about us in general. When is the world going to wake up to this BULLSHIT!

What's next, aspirin in our cornflakes, or maybe bump up the quota of meat per sausage to 2% instead of 1%. I know, maybe they'll put real beef in McDonalds hamburgers, instead of the lips and arseholes their using at the moment. These guys are full of ideas after all. :p:p

[elementel]

If we have to put floride in our warer to protect our fucking teeth, what happens to kids in the developing world? They have no floride to save their teeth. In fact the west has a higher dental decay than that of the developing world. AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[anoninnyc]

They *ALREADY* put it into some bottled water here in the states! :(

really? which ones? i prefer volvic is it iin that?

[sweet cheeks]

really? which ones? i prefer volvic is it iin that?

http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/fluoride-13.htm

They "recalled" them because of the *spouts*!!!!!!!!! Can you believe it??

Not because of fluoride, but the spouts!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls_03/push_pull.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls_03/images/03185.jpg

http://www.nurserywater.com/home.html

For CHILDREN!, no less! :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/action.htm

[jimijams]

http://waterindustry.org/Water-Facts/fluoride-13.htm

They "recalled" them because of the *spouts*!!!!!!!!! Can you believe it??

Not because of fluoride, but the spouts!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls_03/push_pull.html

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/recalls_03/images/03185.jpg

http://www.nurserywater.com/home.html

For CHILDREN!, no less! :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://www.fluoridealert.org/action.htm
Supposedly fluoride is only effective in protecting childrens teeth under eight. So even if it is true, the rest of us have to suffer through having poisonous sodium flouride added to our water which has no benefit at all!
If people want to subscribe to the theory of fluoride protection let them buy their own fluoride to treat their kids and stop the forced medication of the rest of the population.

[klinker]

Interesting reading.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fluoride_index.html

[megatron]

is there any device i can use to filter out the fluoride in the tap water here in the uk.

and does bottled water in the uk conatain fluoride?

cheers

[jimijams]

Interesting reading.

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fluoride_index.html

Thats a good website, thanks.

[jimijams]

is there any device i can use to filter out the fluoride in the tap water here in the uk.

and does bottled water in the uk conatain fluoride?

cheers
Water distiler is the only way to get pure water. Bottled water has it's own problems. 302 Moved

[klinker]

There are plenty of companies selling water filters that filter flouride. Quite inexpensive too. Most of the kits need to be installed but if you already have a washing machine connection under your sink using incoming mains water then it's very easy to adapt the existing connection.

Just do a google UK only search for flouride filter and bingo.

[geo2]

:p :rolleyes: :cool: if u research J W Armstrong. 'the water of life', its a great work on Urine Therapy...think Nexus has some articles on it 2...many believe the 'stuff' that comes out of that 'tap' is part of 'the tree of life', so plz dont throw stones @peee drinkers, whatever 'floats ur boat' ! OMGosh ! yummy !

Yeah, the motherf****** are puttin the 'poison' in the bottle water in the big chain supermarkets in the NYC area n fn charging extra 4it, *(&^%$#)....

LOLove ! Ave Maria ! mothers indeed ! Infinity

:p :rolleyes: :cool: :)

[oneofmany]

:p :rolleyes: :cool: if u research J W Armstrong. 'the water of life', its a great work on Urine Therapy...think Nexus has some articles on it 2...many believe the 'stuff' that comes out of that 'tap' is part of 'the tree of life', so plz dont throw stones @peee drinkers, whatever 'floats ur boat' ! OMGosh ! yummy !

Yeah, the motherf****** are puttin the 'poison' in the bottle water in the big chain supermarkets in the NYC area n fn charging extra 4it, *(&^%$#)....

LOLove ! Ave Maria ! mothers indeed ! Infinity

:p :rolleyes: :cool: :)

The only time I'd contemplate drinking wee is if i had some magic mushie in my system. It recycles the high. As for drinking it straight, mmmmmm, I don't think so.
Thanks anyway

[father ted]

Water distiler is the only way to get pure water. Bottled water has it's own problems. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=eCy&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=plastic+estrogen&spell=1

Most water distilers don't take out the chemicals, especially the popular ones like pura tap. They're useless, they only filter out dirt and rust, fat lot of good that does. There are two things that filter water properly:

1 Reverse osmosis system, $600-700 au for a decent one or $900-$1000 au for a proper one.

2 Evaporating the water and catching what has evaporated, I don't know what that method is called, does anyone? (condensation?)

Boiling water and drinking what's left will only consentrate the chemicals.

Please read this::)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm

[truthseeker1980]

The same is true with bottled water here in the UK. My friend noticed that the ingredients stated flouride, so no longer buy most bottled water.

I worked for Auatech Rainsoft a company which produce water pruification systems, whilst i was at University and the salesmen used to do a test on bottled water and a test on tap water to show potential customers.

Bottled water has far more chemicals in it than average tap water, so flouride is just another that has been aded to the long list of crap in bottled water.

Here in the UK, apparently a number of water boards already poison our water with flouride. But finding out if your water company poisons you is a lot harder than I at first thought. I have rung and sent 100's of emails asking this question with no reply, so I would imagine they are poisoning me. As if you send an email about a leak you get a reply within a few days.

[geo2]

:rolleyes: :) very good points, drinkin urine on ups is okay, booze u recycle and DOWN DRUGS are a NO, NO....also remember a woman on the 'pill' is putting out far, far to many 'female harmones' and is a BIG NO, NO 4males to drink of the blood or urine of a female on the 'pill', otherwise its a delicacy/treat/etc....

ave maria ! down home ! Infinity

:D :p :cool: :)

[jimijams]

2 Evaporating the water and catching what has evaporated, I don't know what that method is called, does anyone? (condensation?)
Distillation ie.Water Distiller.
This is what I use. http://www.juicersaustralia.com.au/genie_water_distiller.shtml

[eternal_spirit]

Still a few places here in the UK without added fluoride in tap water I'm lucky there........ It's in the toothpaste though! can't find one without fluoride in the shops here.

[klinker]

Still a few places here in the UK without added fluoride in tap water I'm lucky there........ It's in the toothpaste though! can't find one without fluoride in the shops here.

Neways tootpaste. I've been using it for a while.

Shop around for it online. Fleabay et cetera.

https://www.neways.co.uk/upload/tplt_dental_.asp?page=2100004353

[melbo]

We're with south east water in the uk and I found this on their website

Is there any fluoride in the water?

We do not add fluoride to water supplies. Any fluoride that is present is naturally occurring in the source water, and is found at levels well below the regulatory limits.
The only toothpaste I can find in my local supermarked that doesn't have fluoride listed in it, is euthymol. It's pink and very strong, I don't like it. You could try your local health food shop.

[deca]

make no sense to put this in tap water.(one mains pipe in theres no sperate drinking water supply)

1.my mains also fill my tolite so I flush it away
2.I fill my bath up with mains(tap water)
3. I wash my dishes cloths and other stuff
4.I water my garden from my tap
6. kids drink fizzy pop not tap water
so most fluoride goes down the drain a very little goes near my kids teeth!
why don`t they put vitimins and other good stuff in mains (tap water)!!!
is fluoride a by product?
my kids teeth sometimes bleed when brushing with floride tooth paste.
wouldn`t it get in her blood stream?

[yellow]

Most water distilers don't take out the chemicals, especially the popular ones like pura tap. They're useless, they only filter out dirt and rust, fat lot of good that does. There are two things that filter water properly:

1 Reverse osmosis system, $600-700 au for a decent one or $900-$1000 au for a proper one.

2 Evaporating the water and catching what has evaporated, I don't know what that method is called, does anyone? (condensation?)

Boiling water and drinking what's left will only consentrate the chemicals.

Please read this::)

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm

I think you are referring to water filters not distillers in your first paragraph, distillers do condense the water, by boiling it and then condensing the steam back into water in a collection bottle and are sold as water distillers, i have one but drink about half bottled water and half distilled.
Even with expensive electricity these days it costs about 23p in electric to make 4 liters so it much cheaper than buying bottled water anyhow and the water is more pure than RO.

[thirdwave]

is fluroride something thy have to list on the bottle...?

[llogun]

The germans put fluroride in the water of the jews in the concentration camps. This was to suppress there system. I remember reading a book that if you starve your self with no food for weeks and weeks so that you are no longer putting crap in your body. You can become a psychic. This may be one reason they put fluoride in the water.

[geo2]

:o :mad: :cool: fluoride can get in through the blood vessels under ur tongue...so brush with water n use floss n toothpicks...till u get non fluoride paste...fluoride messes up the ability to think...also would say it stops the ability to 'dream'....stopping ur 'dream-state' during 'sex'....

As brother Marvin would say: SEXUAL HEALING.......

{ also the bottle water with all the 'stuff' in it, is still better then fluoride-water }as with all items entering body, say a blessing as taking/eating, 'stuff' should cum in ur mouth as it enters, Mother Earth n Daddy Divine are in it !

Ave Maria ! the Empress of Creation ! Infinity

:eek: :rolleyes: :) :cool:

}maybe a mod can put a o in fluoride on heading{ tks

[jimijams]

is fluroride something thy have to list on the bottle...?

Of course they will as a marketing tool aimed at kids.

[klinker]

All you need to know about how bad flouride is for you is that it is a waste product created through aluminium production. :eek:

[karmakandi]

Flouride is added to the water in the UK in some regions, not sure which ones though.

[father ted]

I think you are referring to water filters not distillers in your first paragraph, distillers do condense the water, by boiling it and then condensing the steam back into water in a collection bottle and are sold as water distillers, i have one but drink about half bottled water and half distilled.
Even with expensive electricity these days it costs about 23p in electric to make 4 liters so it much cheaper than buying bottled water anyhow and the water is more pure than RO.

Yes, you're right, thanks for the correction.

[father ted]

is fluroride something thy have to list on the bottle...?

The only way I can answer that is by saying that for example, in the case of MSG, they don't have to put MSG in the list of ingredients, they only have to put the number corresponding to it. (I forgot what it was but look it up).

[lookfar]

Flouride is added to the water in the UK in some regions, not sure which ones though.

Hi there

I've had a quick look online to try & find out where fluoride is added in the UK.

Unfortunately some Water Authorities don't like to tell you:( They say it's down to your local Health Authority to decide whether it should be added & it seems my HA think it should be :mad: As I'm still not sure if it's added or not, I'm going to purchase a water distiller!

I came across these two sites which have some interesting info on fluoridation:
http://www.awaywolf.com/fluoridation/

Australian Fluoridation News
http://www.glenwalker.net/

Regarding fluoride-free toothpaste, I currently use Aloe Dent which is available in most health food shops & it's good stuff.

[father ted]

Distillation ie.Water Distiller.
This is what I use. http://www.juicersaustralia.com.au/genie_water_distiller.shtml

Thanks fot the link, I've always wanted to know about those.
I have been to the site, but can you tell me a little more from your perspective? How long does one coconut fillter last? What if you don't have the fillters there, will it still take oput the fluoride and the other chemicals?

[graflok]

Here is a company that makes fluoride filtering units for home use starting at $99 USD. I haven't tried one but I think I'm going to.

http://crystalquest.com/Fluoridefilters.htm


graflok

[jimijams]

Thanks fot the link, I've always wanted to know about those.
I have been to the site, but can you tell me a little more from your perspective? How long does one coconut fillter last? What if you don't have the fillters there, will it still take oput the fluoride and the other chemicals?
Packet of 6 Coconut Charcoal Filters *
Will last 9 to 18 months, depending upon water source
(Each individual filter lasts 6 to 12 weeks)
If you go to the link I posted and scroll down half way there is a chart that tells you exactly what it removes.
I'm very happy with mine and the filters are easy to buy anywhere.

Edit to add: [power consumption approx' 6¢ - 12¢ per litre].

[intruder]

Absolute INSANITY!!! My father was part of a group of individuals who were offering a $10,000 reward in 1972 to anyone who could prove the benefits of flouridation. I LOVE him for that!! He had us on distilled water from the time I was 10 ((((((((((KUDOS POP!!!)))))))))))) He told me of a tiger handler that he encountered at the Frankfurt Zoo who confided that they gave the big cats flouride to keep them docile...

[klinker]

http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/fluoride_index.html

[friendsinthesky]

Still a few places here in the UK without added fluoride in tap water I'm lucky there........ It's in the toothpaste though! can't find one without fluoride in the shops here.

Hi all.

For the past 2yrs I have been using bi-carbonate soda to clean my teeth.

1) I wet my mouth with water, then dip my toothbrush in the bi-carb, then brush and rinse.

2) you can also dilute bi-carb and salt in warm water then dip your
toothbrush.


In 2yrs, my teeth haven't changed for the better, nor for the worst.


As for water, here in melb aust, we can purchase 'reverse osmosis' water in the big blue bottles.

Oh, for australian link on reverse osmosis water systems try; http://www.psifilters.com.au/reverse%20osmosis.htm

[father ted]

As long as you don't:
eat chocolate and most sweets,
drink coffee and tea
and anything that marks your teeth,
you should be fine.

I haven't used any toothpaste (non flouride) for around 9 months now, and it doesn't make a bloody difference! My teeth stay white according to what I eat or drink, simple. In fact, they're better than before, and improving.

[misscpb]

Hi Everyone

I have often thought not only about the flouride thing but also about the rubbish and dangerous plastic bottles, bottled water comes in.

Have you noticed that the water has a relatively short life/sell by date as opposed to the old fashioned glass water bottles. Also, they state to keep out of the sunlight with the plastic water bottles and not to refill them because its dangerous. I just wonder what affects it has on the water being help in the chemical plastic bottles.

If only we just had natural running water. I have only ever tasted natural running water once in my life, and that was in on a holiday in the hills of Bulgaria from a natural stream, it was the nicest I have ever tried.

Take Care

[geo2]

:mad: :rolleyes: :cool: we used to have some of the greatest tasting water in the world coming out of the tap in the 50's n 60's n b4 but now u can see the big tanker trucks late at night backing into the resovoir to dump the 'poison' into the nyc area water system........

The plastic bottles make 'female sex harmones' to develope in the plastic containers [ this is all plastic containers ] that they want put into men to make us infertile etc......still the bottle water is better then the tap water....fluoride causes the brain to mal-function......................

ave maria ! Infinity

:eek: ;) :cool:

[tyler]

There is much, much more to this fluoride poisoning than we realise. Obviously "they" don't give a damn about people's teeth. They don't care about the clouds of depleted uranium that are now floating around the planet from all their wars so why should they care about poor kids teeth?
No, there is something more sinister going on. What do they really hope to achieve by dosing us all with this gunk? Does it pacify us? Dumb us down? Make us listless, lethargic? More research needed on this topic.

[midwich cuckoo]

There is much, much more to this fluoride poisoning than we realise. Obviously "they" don't give a damn about people's teeth. They don't care about the clouds of depleted uranium that are now floating around the planet from all their wars so why should they care about poor kids teeth?
No, there is something more sinister going on. What do they really hope to achieve by dosing us all with this gunk? Does it pacify us? Dumb us down? Make us listless, lethargic? More research needed on this topic.

Maybe this is the desired effect - Neurological Disorders Affect 1 Billion People: WHO (http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=2907525) :(

Also this - NHS facing dementia time bomb (http://society.guardian.co.uk/health/story/0,,2020948,00.html) :mad:

[father ted]

Hi Everyone

I have often thought not only about the flouride thing but also about the rubbish and dangerous plastic bottles, bottled water comes in.

Have you noticed that the water has a relatively short life/sell by date as opposed to the old fashioned glass water bottles. Also, they state to keep out of the sunlight with the plastic water bottles and not to refill them because its dangerous. I just wonder what affects it has on the water being help in the chemical plastic bottles.

If only we just had natural running water. I have only ever tasted natural running water once in my life, and that was in on a holiday in the hills of Bulgaria from a natural stream, it was the nicest I have ever tried.

Take Care

I saw a documentary about super micro organisms, something that mainstream science won't accept, and this woman has found it in plastic bottles. Its nature is that is deteriates certain things very well. I think it said that it's more active the more sunlight there is, though I can't remember. I heard elsewhere that you shouldn't keep plastic bottled water in sunlight and you shouldn't refill. It's got something to do with how sunlight activates some chemical reaction.

[friendsinthesky]

I saw a documentary about super micro organisms, something that mainstream science won't accept, and this woman has found it in plastic bottles. Its nature is that is deteriates certain things very well. I think it said that it's more active the more sunlight there is, though I can't remember. I heard elsewhere that you shouldn't keep plastic bottled water in sunlight and you shouldn't refill. It's got something to do with how sunlight activates some chemical reaction.

I have travelled many parts of Australia and often walk the rain forest boardwalks/trails which usually lead to a waterfall (often fenced off for public safety). But I would climb the fence and refill my steel water bottle with fresh water. THE WATER TASTES SO NICE, IT'S MEANT TO BE THAT WAY, but unfortunately it's not.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I purchase reverse-osmosis water in a BIG blue bottle from a local independant supermarket. When I get home I pour the water into a ceramic bowl. Now, if the bottles contain some super micro organisms, then so be it, take the good with the bad, or should I re-vert to tap (fluorodated) water? I like the water I buy, I use it for cooking (food tastes better) and it feels clean in your mouth.

#reverse-osmosis removes up to 97% fluoride. and all the other gunk!

[father ted]

have travelled many parts of Australia and often walk the rain forest boardwalks/trails which usually lead to a waterfall (often fenced off for public safety). But I would climb the fence and refill my steel water bottle with fresh water. THE WATER TASTES SO NICE, IT'S MEANT TO BE THAT WAY, but unfortunately it's not.

In the NT, there are a lot of water falls and water holes where you can just go and swim in and do whatever you want.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, I purchase reverse-osmosis water in a BIG blue bottle from a local independant supermarket. When I get home I pour the water into a ceramic bowl. Now, if the bottles contain some super micro organisms, then so be it, take the good with the bad, or should I re-vert to tap (fluorodated) water? I like the water I buy, I use it for cooking (food tastes better) and it feels clean in your mouth.

I know what you mean, you can't expect people to walk miles to a clean water source to get their water.
Which BIG blue bottles are you reffering to?

[friendsinthesky]

In the NT, there are a lot of water falls and water holes where you can just go and swim in and do whatever you want.

Yes I know and understand, they are remote.

I know what you mean, you can't expect people to walk miles to a clean water source to get their water.
Which BIG blue bottles are you reffering to?

This type of blue bottle; http://www.greif.com/images/secondary-products/water-bottles/H2O_Bottle_fivegal_nohandle.jpg

[jimijams]

There is much, much more to this fluoride poisoning than we realise. Obviously "they" don't give a damn about people's teeth. They don't care about the clouds of depleted uranium that are now floating around the planet from all their wars so why should they care about poor kids teeth?
No, there is something more sinister going on. What do they really hope to achieve by dosing us all with this gunk? Does it pacify us? Dumb us down? Make us listless, lethargic? More research needed on this topic.
Here is a good place to start. 302 Moved

[jimijams]

I saw a documentary about super micro organisms, something that mainstream science won't accept, and this woman has found it in plastic bottles. Its nature is that is deteriates certain things very well. I think it said that it's more active the more sunlight there is, though I can't remember. I heard elsewhere that you shouldn't keep plastic bottled water in sunlight and you shouldn't refill. It's got something to do with how sunlight activates some chemical reaction.
Plastic & Estrogen 302 Moved

[jimijams]

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1447

[jota]

Hello all. I'm living in MidNorth Coast New South Wales, Oz in a shire which is moving along with fluoridating our water.

I'm looking for some help from yous peoples...need links to articles which demonstrate the corruption within CDC, FDA, AMA and USDA. Do not have to be fluoride related.

Why??? I have a weekly community radio show and my associate and I have found out lots of dirty tactics which our council and state government have taken to go ahead with fluoridation even though a recent referendum resulted in 72% of the respondants saying "No Thank You." We intend to reveal this as well as our correspondence with state and local councillors which show an obvious contempt for their constituents.

I have lined up an interview for the main pusher of fluoride within the NSW government. Instead of discussing the safety of fluoride, for which the pushers have all the answers, my associate and I have decided to take the tact of the government's pushing aside of a democratic process and principle and the ethical impact of uncontrollably dosing the public. We of course know what it's all about, but for my listeners I don't want to go too deep (yet) with that side of things.

I also know that one of the arguments the "Pusher" uses is that ALL of the available info against fluoride comes from un-reliable, un-scientific, un-trustworthy, non-accredited etc sources. The Australian Dental Association and all the state government health department websites themselves do not refer to any studies, never mind quote any information sources or other which do not have a vested interest in disposing of their waste products. They only reference each other (as in, "according to NSW Dental Association fluoride makes you more beautiful"...blah blah blah) or the say things like..."according to the CDC, fluoride is the best god damned thing in the entire Universe, even better than beer."

I wish to find instances (ie links) to demonstrate that all those cosy references are not acceptable either given that each entity (CDC, FDA , AMA etc) are corrupt. The information which comes from them is therefore dodgy, cannot be trusted so therefore we are back at square one...we have no conclusive evidence that the stuff is safe. A rational person must then err on the side of caution and not dump a potentially toxic waste into our water supply.

I have plenty to research already. I know such articles exist, I've read such many times but cannot remember where I found them. Could somebody(ies) please email me links addressing the corruption of these organizations? Email me info@psyjota.com or PM me here or post please!!!

Cheers...hey...just thought...we have to stop this fluoridating bottled thing caz you know what's next....BEER. And they sure as hell cannot do that!!!

Cheers all the same...Jono

[jimijams]

I'd get in to contact with this guy Glenn Walker http://home.vicnet.net.au/~fluoride/2004%20Final%20Website%20Files/fluoridation_hoax.htm

[misscpb]

I saw a documentary about super micro organisms, something that mainstream science won't accept, and this woman has found it in plastic bottles. Its nature is that is deteriates certain things very well. I think it said that it's more active the more sunlight there is, though I can't remember. I heard elsewhere that you shouldn't keep plastic bottled water in sunlight and you shouldn't refill. It's got something to do with how sunlight activates some chemical reaction.


Maybe we should all start collecting rain water or move to the wilderness near natural streams, if only hey! That would be my idea of paradise in the middle of no-where with plenty of animals and nature.

Take Care

[father ted]

It will happen.

[unicorn]

Still a few places here in the UK without added fluoride in tap water I'm lucky there........ It's in the toothpaste though! can't find one without fluoride in the shops here.

Have recently discovered this toothbrush which is also clinically proven (if we need science to proove it...) to remove more plaque than conventional brushing. It works for me... my teeth are cleaner & whiter with it, & the best news is... you don't need any toothpaste at all with it as it uses negative ions to remove the plaque, so there's no need to brush hard & risk damaging your enamel. Even alot of flouride-free toothpastes contain SLS so this is one way of not putting any toxins into your mouth. It's also eco friendly as you can buy replacement heads instead of the whole brush. Highly recommended. Anyway, regarding tooth decay, it has zero to do with sugar, each tooth is linked to meridians & organs so tooth decay is the body signalling a stressed organ, so it's not external influences that rot our teeth, it's internal ones. Like with life... we always look to the outside to fix something, instead of within. Thank heavens that's changing!
http://www.soladey.com

[unicorn]

Remember the work of Masaru Emoto, how water can be programmed by thoughts... well, it's easy, free & you can do it with all drinks. Here in theUK our water is chlorinated weekly, you can really smell the chlorine in it when they add it. So I tried so programme the water by thinking to it 'Clear all chlorine & any other detrimental chemicals, restore this water's consciousness & it's natural state of being'. After a few seconds the smell of chlorine has completely gone, & the water tastes fresh & delicious.

To programme water to it's natural state, intend this or write this down & rest your glass/bottle of water on it:
'Compute -238 milivolts negative elevtrical potential, approaching +4 degrees C'. Feel free to ass 'Love & Gratitude'.

Masaru Emoto's 'Healing the Waters of the Earth' day is on the 24th July, so send some healing thoughts to water for all beings on this planet!
http://www.thank-water.net/english/index.htm

[unicorn]

Feel free to ass 'Love & Gratitude'

Oops... that was 'feel free to ADD Love & Gratitude' Spirit having a laugh with me methinks!!!

[oneofmany]

Anyway, regarding tooth decay, it has zero to do with sugar, each tooth is linked to meridians & organs so tooth decay is the body signalling a stressed organ, so it's not external influences that rot our teeth, it's internal ones. Like with life... we always look to the outside to fix something, instead of within. Thank heavens that's changing![/COLOR]
http://www.soladey.com

Maybe tooth decay has something to do with the outrageous prices Dentists chare just for a 10 minute checkup. $180 is a bit steep IMO for the services of a failed Doctor, so if they lower or even subsidise the price where I come from at least, you would have kiddies lininng up in the waiting room ready to be butchered.

[kha zarr]

I really like this idea for a toothbrush, very cool. Thanks unicorn :)

[garth]

Coco cola own 50% of the bottled water in Australia http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=26356#post26356

The beverage industry body "Australian beverages council" is headed by a guy named Tony Gentile, he has made many press statements in favour of fluoridation of bottled water recently http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2007/s1858471.htm

The bottled water industry body "Australian Bottled water institute" is also headed by Tony Gentile, this body is against fluoridation of bottled water

they have this on there webiste
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There is no cause and effect reported in any reputable scientific study that links consumption of bottled water with dental decay.
Dental decay is multi-factorial and primarily caused by the lack of proper dental hygiene and by the consumption of fermentable carbohydrates that may stick to the teeth.
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Whilst some bottled waters contain naturally occurring levels of fluoride, no minerals (including fluoride) may be added to natural mineral water or natural spring water. This is not permitted by the current food law and regulations in Australia and New Zealand. Residue levels of naturally occurring fluoride are also strictly restricted in natural mineral and spring waters by the food regulations.
Many adults have justifiable concerns about the standard of water available in their community and wish to consume a more natural product that does not have chemicals added to it, be it chlorine as a disinfectant or fluoride.
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Whilst ABWI has not formed a view on fluoride, we do note that there is still some concern about its long-term safety. We also note that many consumers buy bottled water in order to avoid the added fluoride. For alternate views on fluoridation of water and bottled water see:-
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http://www.fluoride.org.uk/ausfnews/mayjun04/bottled_toxic_dump.htm and http://www.health.vic.gov.au/environment/water/fluoridation.htm
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Lastly but no least, there is no evidence to suggest that very young children below five years of age, during their dental formative years are consuming large amounts of bottled water.

http://www.bottledwater.org.au/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=ASP0003/ccms.r?Roxy=0x00076726&PageId=10042

Coco cola is a member of both industry groups, weird how the same guy heads up both groups, which have opposing views. Sounds like some fishy business going on here?:confused:

[friendsinthesky]

^ Good post Garth, maybe here in Australia we can educate people on water that isn't (yet) owned by cokeaustralia, I'll start with [crystal creek] who use the reverse osmosis filtering system. The water can be purchased at selected IGA stores Victoria..1300-720-227 or 1/ 31 virginia St, Mornington Vic 3931. They do have web site but I'm un-able to find it:(

[garth]

^ Good post Garth, maybe here in Australia we can educate people on water that isn't (yet) owned by cokeaustralia, I'll start with [crystal creek] who use the reverse osmosis filtering system. The water can be purchased at selected IGA stores Victoria..1300-720-227 or 1/ 31 virginia St, Mornington Vic 3931. They do have web site but I'm un-able to find it:(

Damn good idea freinds in the sky, up here we have Cooroy Mountain spring water, check them out at http://www.cmsw.com.au damn good water:)

[friendsinthesky]

Damn good idea freinds in the sky, up here we have Cooroy Mountain spring water, check them out at http://www.cmsw.com.au damn good water:)

Oh, so your on the sunshine coast? Although, 1 state down from you ~ N.S.W has many water falls with pleasant tasting water. I've travelled Oz and tasted much "great water" and it always beats bottled crap any day. The web site you posted above makes my lips "water" with envy..:)

[fikle]

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Flouride-in-H2o/

This is an online petition to remove flouride from drinking water, or to publish a convincing report justifying it. Please sign it an publicise it.

I am not an expert on this issue, but after reading a little about it, I stopped drinking tap water and noticed an almost immediate improvement in my general level of mental alertness.

[garth]

Oh, so your on the sunshine coast? Although, 1 state down from you ~ N.S.W has many water falls with pleasant tasting water. I've travelled Oz and tasted much "great water" and it always beats bottled crap any day. The web site you posted above makes my lips "water" with envy..:)

Yep its pretty good water, beats the chlorine loaded tap crap anyday:D

[gremlin]

this is not right what can we do about it, OW YEAH THEIR IS NOTHING WE CAN DO:eek:

[fikle]

There's always something we can do. Start by telling two other people.