Final goal of the new world order???

[prettybaby9]

I have been hearing and reading soooooooooooo much about conspiracies and secret societies. I feel it is currently reaching an all time high. Is this the goal in the first place, to get the masses talking and more curious so as to create a huge "net" of negativity around the world so they (NWO) can set something up for 2012? I think they know some amazing event will occur that year and they are going to use it for their advantage.


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[_vigilant_]

Control will be passed from America to Israel making it the new ruling state of the world when this occurs a one-eyed man will emerge as their leader, he'll claim to be the chosen one and then he'll claim to be god.

A one-eyed man as the leader of the world will be the climactic point, What the Illuminati are doing now is preparing you for his coming.

Check this video out
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.


A big-bodied man.....
His hands tied to his neck....
A man with a huge body, red complexion and curly hair and blind in one eye....
You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed....(excerpts from hadith)

A different trailer
'Valhalla Rising' Trailer HD - YouTube

[sorath]

Control will be passed from America to Israel making it the new ruling state of the world when this occurs a one-eyed man will emerge as their leader, he'll claim to be the chosen one and then he'll claim to be god.

A one-eyed man as the leader of the world will be the climactic point, What the Illuminati are doing now is preparing you for his coming.

Check this video out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcFOSfaCNec

Odin?

[_vigilant_]

Odin?

His name is The deciever

[sorath]

His name is The deciever


Is this information directly from the Qu'ran by any chance?

[_vigilant_]

Is this information directly from the Qu'ran by any chance?

No the deciever is not mentioned in the Qu'ran but is described in the Hadith in great detail.

[_vigilant_]

That Valhalla rising trailer is awesome looking I am going to watch it.

I might watch it too, just for analysis tho

[sorath]

No the deciever is not mentioned in the Qu'ran but is described in the Hadith in great detail.

Would you agree that both the Qu'ran and Hadith are the writings of men?

[_vigilant_]

Would you agree that both the Qu'ran and Hadith are the writings of men?

"It is not permitted for the sun to catch up to the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. Each just swims along in its own orbit" (36:40).

"Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder? We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? (21:30)"


which Bedouin man in 610 C.E would write something like that , maybe you can tell me how and who created the Qu'ran

[sorath]

"It is not permitted for the sun to catch up to the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. Each just swims along in its own orbit" (36:40).

which Bedouin man in 610 C.E would write something like that , maybe you can tell me how and who created the Qu'ran


Why is it not possible for a bedouin man to have scribed such words? William Shakespear scribed some of the most beautiful poetry ever. The difference is nobody thinks the words were given to him by an angel in a cave when nobody else was around.

The Qu'ran was created by very knowledgable scholars of that time period, probably with parchment and quills.

[_vigilant_]

Why is it not possible for a bedouin man to have scribed such words? William Shakespear scribed some of the most beautiful poetry ever. The difference is nobody thinks the words were given to him by an angel in a cave when nobody else was around.

The Qu'ran was created by very knowledgable scholars of that time period, probably with parchment and quills.

Do you know what period that was, they were poor and riding on donkeys is it possible for them to understand astronomy and geology to describe it so accurately, you could have at least said he collaborated with a Jew like some people on here

Instead of an assumption can we have some facts cheers

[sorath]

Do you know what period that was, they were poor and riding on donkeys you could have at least said he collaborated with a Jew like some people on here

Instead of an assumption can we have some facts cheers

Why does someone being poor and riding a donkey stop them being gifted poets? I know that the prophet Muhammed married a Jew but I don't think he collaborated with a Jew. He collaborated with the angel Gabriel after he arrived on his 8 legged horse Haizum and told Muhammed Allah's will.

Thats the general jist of how the Qu'ran came to be isn't it? Do correct me if I am wrong.

Because something is hard to understand and techincal does not automatically mean it was something to do with divine creators and angels. I don't understand how megapixels work but I don't attribute them to Allah just because its out of my technical understanding.

[andyh]

Whats all the religious bollox got to do with the OP?

There is no "final goal" of the NWO. The NWO is the same world order we have always had, maintaining the rule of the rich over the poor. It's an ongoing thing and the battle is to simply retain the control they already have. To simply keep people believing in things they are told on TV, to keep on getting jobs, to keep voting and believing in the codswallop.

[sorath]

Whats all the religious bollox got to do with the OP?

There is no "final goal" of the NWO. The NWO is the same world order we have always had, maintaining the rule of the rich over the poor. It's an ongoing thing and the battle is to simply retain the control they already have. To simply keep people believing in things they are told on TV, to keep on getting jobs, to keep voting and believing in the codswallop.

Well if you look at post no#2 the answers all come from "religious bollox" as you so eloquently put it!

[triad]

1. Dumb down societies.

2. Make'em slaves, make'em pay for foolish things they even do not need.

3. Support the useful idiot, the mason. Masonry is NWO best friend.

4. Religion is 99% bullshit. I am a very spiritual person. Jesus Christ, may the
Lord bless him, was a political revolutionary. Just search the meaning of the
word ' Persharim' and you'll start looking at the Bible in a completely different
way.

5. Banking, money, debit, enslavement. Buy, produce, consume... All of this,
with at least two world wars, lead to Israel. Capital city: Tel Aviv.
Main Street: Rothschild Boulevard. Flag: The sign from the Rothschild
family.

Israel religion: Someone say that different religions co-exist in Palestine,
others want just one to survive there. Both are wrong. Israel is an
Atheist land that doesn't really like religions. It is a land based on racial
features.

[_vigilant_]

Why does someone being poor and riding a donkey stop them being gifted poets? I know that the prophet Muhammed married a Jew but I don't think he collaborated with a Jew. He collaborated with the angel Gabriel after he arrived on his 8 legged horse Haizum and told Muhammed Allah's will.


True it doesn't, actually at that time they had the best poets around,poetry and beautiful speech were the main requisites for social prominence, but you have to remember that they were pagans and Muhammad was a withdrawn character and an illiterate.

The Qu'ran is not a book of poems nor is it a book science its a book of signs.

[69:41] And it is not the word of a poet; little is it that you believe

[69:42] Nor the word of a soothsayer; little is it that you mind.
[69:43] It is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[69:44] And if he had fabricated against Us some of the sayings,
[69:45] We would certainly have seized him by the right hand,
[69:46] Then We would certainly have cut off his aorta.


Because something is hard to understand and techincal does not automatically mean it was something to do with divine creators and angels. I don't understand how megapixels work but I don't attribute them to Allah just because its out of my technical understanding.

True! but if a book supposedly from god states that this is how he made the solar system work and after some centuries you came to understand how it works through science and you're findings correlate with the book....what does that suggest do you attribute it to ''its working because it just happens to be working you know''

anyway this is a discussion about the NWO we can carry on in the religion section , its unfair on the thread starter

[_vigilant_]

Whats all the religious bollox got to do with the OP?

There is no "final goal" of the NWO. The NWO is the same world order we have always had, maintaining the rule of the rich over the poor. It's an ongoing thing and the battle is to simply retain the control they already have. To simply keep people believing in things they are told on TV, to keep on getting jobs, to keep voting and believing in the codswallop.

Ok where and when did the NWO start?

[kappy0405]

Ok where and when did the NWO start?

The group of people goes back to Babylon, perhaps Sumeria. The agenda for a World Government goes back at least to the late 1800's to the Cecil Rhodes/Lord Rothschild Round Table Society, which may be linked with the agendas of the Bavarian Illuminati, which in turn may be a product of the Sabattean Zionist movement and the Jesuits of the 16th/17th Centuries.

[kappy0405]

I don't think there is a 'final goal'. They will always have to adopt to maintain power, but the main goal for now is:

-a world parliament, based off the EU model, with regional/continental blocks subject to it. This is an outgrowth of the UN.

-a world central bank administering to the regional/continental central banks, with either one currency or all the regional/continental currencies acting in sync with each other subject to the world bank. This is an outgrowth of UN subsidiaries, such as the IMF, World Bank, &/or BIS.

-a world army or police/security force, which will be an outgrowth of UN/NATO security forces.

To accomplish this, they certainly need WW3 and the continued crash of global economic systems until every country currently in opposition is subdued.. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, & maybe even N. Korea.. Any other countries that aren't 'in on it' are basically irrelevant at this point. The positions of Russia & China is a bit hard to decipher, but the ptb obviously had their clutches on both countries in the past, and it seems they've propped them up in prep for WW3, to ensure as much disaster as possible, in changing the balance of power & what not.

The main problems will probably be incorporating the middle east into either the EU or AU, or perhaps a regional union all on its own, which could potentially mark the false "peace treaty" between Israel & the Arab world... Also, convincing the American people to acquiesce to the global system..

From there, things like Martial Law, FEMA camps, population reduction, microchips, etc.. could possibly be on the agenda, basically just as a means to the keep the population under control & hold back any opposition.

[_vigilant_]

I don't think there is a 'final goal'. They will always have to adopt to maintain power, but the main goal for now is:

-a world parliament, based off the EU model, with regional/continental blocks subject to it. This is an outgrowth of the UN.

-a world central bank administering to the regional/continental central banks, with either one currency or all the regional/continental currencies acting in sync with each other subject to the world bank. This is an outgrowth of UN subsidiaries, such as the IMF, World Bank, &/or BIS.

-a world army or police/security force, which will be an outgrowth of UN/NATO security forces.

To accomplish this, they certainly need WW3 and the continued crash of global economic systems until every country currently in opposition is subdued.. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, & maybe even N. Korea.. Any other countries that aren't 'in on it' are basically irrelevant at this point. The positions of Russia & China is a bit hard to decipher, but the ptb obviously had their clutches on both countries in the past, and it seems they've propped them up in prep for WW3, to ensure as much disaster as possible, in changing the balance of power & what not.

The main problems will probably be incorporating the middle east into either the EU or AU, or perhaps a regional union all on its own, which could potentially mark the false "peace treaty" between Israel & the Arab world... Also, convincing the American people to acquiesce to the global system..

From there, things like Martial Law, FEMA camps, population reduction, microchips, etc.. could possibly be on the agenda, basically just as a means to the keep the population under control & hold back any opposition.

So where does the dajjal fit in all this?

[kappy0405]

So where does the dajjal fit in all this?

I just made that post from a conventional perspective, & what can easily be proven. But since there is an agenda for a world government, it makes sense that the system is serving the dajjal because it does obviously fit with the prophecies. I also think though that they might just be staging these events because they're preying on peoples expectations and fears to accomplish their own goals, in which case they could indirectly be playing their role.

In either case, I mentioned the false peace treaty with Israel in that post. It could be a Middle East Union (like the EU for example) when the world government is formed, which would only last 3.5 years or so. The mark of the beast refers to the global currency, and the mark itself could be the Star of David or the Pyramid & Eye. I'm not convinced that Israel itself will become the ruling state, but keep in mind that the leaders of Israel are also the leaders of America, Europe, UN, etc.. I think America was set up to represent the Whore of Babylon, which is why they use the statue of Semiramis/Liberty, & the EU is set up to represent one of the beasts, explaining why they use the symbol of the bull, which is Nimrod. Nimrod/Semiramis were the builders of the Tower of Babel, explaining why the EU Parliament building looks eerily similar. Babel was the last time the world was close to being one nation, one tongue. The Khazars are the descendants of Gog & Magog & responsible for modern day Zionism, but they will probably make it out to look like an Eastern/Islam alliance.

Ultimately, I think leading up to WW3 they will try to make a Muslim leader appear to be the dajjal, which would make the World Government and the leaders of the West appear to be the Savior/Messiah. When they create the world government, the temple will be rebuilt & Israel could become the HQ or ruling state, but I also feel that they may use their Mormon religion to build a new Zion in America (that's what the freemasonic Mormon religion is all about), which will be the HQ.

It could unfold a few different ways...

[triad]

There's a counterinitiation started in Palestine on those days, when Jesus was there. The Roman Representative and other scrooges - as an Hiram between those - created a so-called Mysterious Force to go against the rising christian movement (that wasn't still called that way naturally).

This very secret movement against the views of Christ, done by a powerful
oppressive power, is one of the best NWO Epitomes of the past history.

As royal bloodlines in general.

[loveoverhate]

The "final goal" of the Dark side is to overthrow God, overtake the entire universe including Heaven itself and cause all of our suffering forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever....until they implode in on themselves.

[decim]

One Corporation to Rule it all....

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Umbrella-Corp-resident-evil-3998416-1024-768.jpg

I don't think there is a 'final goal'. They will always have to adopt to maintain power, but the main goal for now is:

-a world parliament, based off the EU model, with regional/continental blocks subject to it. This is an outgrowth of the UN.

-a world central bank administering to the regional/continental central banks, with either one currency or all the regional/continental currencies acting in sync with each other subject to the world bank. This is an outgrowth of UN subsidiaries, such as the IMF, World Bank, &/or BIS.

-a world army or police/security force, which will be an outgrowth of UN/NATO security forces.

To accomplish this, they certainly need WW3 and the continued crash of global economic systems until every country currently in opposition is subdued.. Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, & maybe even N. Korea.. Any other countries that aren't 'in on it' are basically irrelevant at this point. The positions of Russia & China is a bit hard to decipher, but the ptb obviously had their clutches on both countries in the past, and it seems they've propped them up in prep for WW3, to ensure as much disaster as possible, in changing the balance of power & what not.

The main problems will probably be incorporating the middle east into either the EU or AU, or perhaps a regional union all on its own, which could potentially mark the false "peace treaty" between Israel & the Arab world... Also, convincing the American people to acquiesce to the global system..

From there, things like Martial Law, FEMA camps, population reduction, microchips, etc.. could possibly be on the agenda, basically just as a means to the keep the population under control & hold back any opposition.

[andyh]

Ok where and when did the NWO start?

The "NWO" is a term used recently by the likes of Bush Snr and Kissinger at first and picked up and promulgated by Alex Jones. (not quite the same thing as other similar things mentioned such as Novus Ordo Seclorum or Ordo Ab Chao although previous rulers have mentioned phrases such as new age, new order or new reich for example)

The real meaning of the question is obviously to ask when did the rich begin taking the piss.
This happened just about as long ago as we started using money.

There's no conspiracy here, there never was, just simple human nature at work.
Money and power corrupts and we worship it. Money is the only thing everyone in the world believes in. Belief is the right word to use, more so nowadays because our currency is fiat. As long as we continue to believe that politicians will fix our "problems" (when in reality they make them) and as long as we continue to believe that bankers can print money and back it up with debt....a debt that if ever paid off would remove all money from existence..then we will continue to be screwed over forever.

We shouldn't need a job for 8 or 9 hours a day 5 or 6 days a week to buy food and rent a roof over our heads. (you're still renting in my book even if you buy a house as long as the bank still have that mortgage and even then...you can't do what you like with the house because you need to get "permission" in the form of planning permission).

What we all need is land and the God given right to build on it and live off it.
Businesses should pay taxes not human beings, currently everything is upside down and inside out, yet millions of people fail to see it.

There is your "order". The way things are now is the way the rich wish things to remain. As long as things stay this way then the rich will ensure the same cosy situation for their friends and family for generations to come.

The "New World Order" is simply about consolidating and centralising the power structure even more. Removing the old borders and making superstates, they want a world of quiet obedient consumers and lower population numbers to make for easier management and of course more pleasure and enjoyment for themselves.

Rich by the way, when I use the term, does not necessarily infer lots of money, it means lots of power and money often comes with power but not always ;)

[christ4life]

They want your heart, and minds. Money will never satisfy them they want us as slaves, and control of the whole planet. The planet belongs to no one but God, and only God allows what goes on around here. Its just a matter of time before it will be over.

[guivre]

I don't think there is a 'final goal'.

I think they probably already arrived at their final goal and are just maintaining now. ._.

[kappy0405]

There's no conspiracy here, there never was, just simple human nature at work.

That's not to say that certain politicians and elitists aren't in collusion with each other towards the agenda of building a world government. This is quite obviously happening.

I think they probably already arrived at their final goal and are just maintaining now. ._.

Tis a possibility...

[loveoverhate]

And part of human nature, andy, is to conspire. Not everything is a chance coincidence.

[kbeet]

Why is it not possible for a bedouin man to have scribed such words? William Shakespear scribed some of the most beautiful poetry ever. The difference is nobody thinks the words were given to him by an angel in a cave when nobody else was around.

The Qu'ran was created by very knowledgable scholars of that time period, probably with parchment and quills.

anything out side of the bible is false or a half truth

[kbeet]

I have been hearing and reading soooooooooooo much about conspiracies and secret societies. I feel it is currently reaching an all time high. Is this the goal in the first place, to get the masses talking and more curious so as to create a huge "net" of negativity around the world so they (NWO) can set something up for 2012? I think they know some amazing event will occur that year and they are going to use it for their advantage.


http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Snorkpants/SesameStreet.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9gn6KLa5xtY/SV5Jp5VvORI/AAAAAAAADTI/KLiryETzp8A/s400/SesameStreetMagTwinTowersCover.jpg

the only thing that will hapen on december 22 2012 is people who got up early being its saterday will say ----. i knew it was a fake.

[hinabina]

Why is it not possible for a bedouin man to have scribed such words? William Shakespear scribed some of the most beautiful poetry ever. The difference is nobody thinks the words were given to him by an angel in a cave when nobody else was around.

The Qu'ran was created by very knowledgable scholars of that time period, probably with parchment and quills.

How could someone be so intelligent that they can prophesize the future in such depth , the quran goes into so much detail , even about a finger print , which no one would have known then!
Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)

or
And it is We who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We who are steadily expanding it."
(The Qur'an, 51:47)

Until the dawn of the 20th century, the only view prevailing in the world of science was that "the universe has a constant nature and it has existed since infinite time". The research, observations, and calculations carried out by means of modern technology, however, have revealed that the universe in fact had a beginning, and that it constantly "expands.

there are is so much more to learn from the quran, its far to complex to be made by a human , even now there are so many things in the quran that we cant understand , but in the future people will look back and see how everything fits in.

[andyh]

And part of human nature, andy, is to conspire. Not everything is a chance coincidence.

Only as far as it's in their personal interest to do so.
There is no 1 person or family running the entire world and the collusion or conspiracy if you want to use the term is flimsy at best.
There is no masterplan for humanity, just tighter control and ensuring a good future for the rich.
They are like the sith, they will fight each other at times to try and wrestle control but there is no overall individual controller nor is there any plan being adhered to.
We ourselves by voting and accepting and believing have made 99% of everything that has come to pass.
I've no belief in much past the cronyism and corruption. There is solid evidence for this and more and more of it leaks out into the MSM on a regular basis.
The MSM do in fact publish quite a lot of truth and quite often but it is ignored as we tend to focus on issues that are not as important or even relevant at times...
The aliens/nibiru/galactic change crap I ignore completely. There is no solid evidence, just hysteria. It just makes the "truther" scene look ridiculous and childish. We can never establish any real truth about what's going on by simply postulating, we have to gain control over ourselves and our societal structure before addressing less important stuff.
We remain divided for the most part because we have differing opinions about whats more important. IMHO our freedom should be priority number 1.
It should be placed on a pedestal above all else. The cronyism and corruption should be priority number 2. Once those 2 issues have been dealt with perhaps some real truths can be revealed but we're not even worthy of knowing real truth or being capable of handling that truth if we choose to continue living in walter mitty land.

[andyh]

How could someone be so intelligent that they can prophesize the future in such depth , the quran goes into so much detail , even about a finger print , which no one would have known then!
Yes, We are able to put together in perfect order the very tips of his fingers. (Qur'an, 75:4)



What has the above sentence got to do with fingerprints? Does it mention fingerprints? No it does not...YOU inferred that it did ;)
Is this the common "assumption"?

There is a very old wives tale about assumption, it goes a bit like this...Assume makes an "ass" out of "u" and "me".

How about the word "universe"?
What is it's definition? Does it mean absolutely everything that is?
Or does it mean all of the observable matter?

The two are completely different things.

For example, ponder this...
If the universe is expanding...what is it expanding into?

Do you see the problems that can arise from definitions and assumptions? ;)

[kbeet]

I have been hearing and reading soooooooooooo much about conspiracies and secret societies. I feel it is currently reaching an all time high. Is this the goal in the first place, to get the masses talking and more curious so as to create a huge "net" of negativity around the world so they (NWO) can set something up for 2012? I think they know some amazing event will occur that year and they are going to use it for their advantage.


http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Snorkpants/SesameStreet.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_9gn6KLa5xtY/SV5Jp5VvORI/AAAAAAAADTI/KLiryETzp8A/s400/SesameStreetMagTwinTowersCover.jpg

there is no Final goal
the UN and connected bodys and socciotys will keep making changes a little at a time like they been doing from day one as the need arises.
there next step will be to abolish religion because ww1 ww2 and this war was and is holy wars. ww1 was dubed the first antichrist war and it did have to do with christains. ww2 was a attempt at a dommenaint religion like the terrorist want in this war. this is the united nations next target