I Don't get it.

[cleft_asunder]

Since past is just a memory, and the future is a concept, then the now is all there is. And if you lived totally in the now without ANY use of memory or foresight, then wouldn't it be true that motion is an illusion? In other words, every moment would be... I don't know what it would be!

I'm staring at a clock right now and the second hand is moving, but the only reason it appears to move is because I am remembering it's position before, and I have a conceptual idea of where it's going. Without those things, what is happening?

I know you're going to tell me that it's not something you can understand with the mind. But that doesn't answer my question.

[tejas]

I know exactly what you mean, and have wondered the same thing.

Who knows :S

[supertzar]

Maybe now includes the past and future? Maybe if a person was skilled enough in utilizing their mind they could be anywhere, anytime, now.

[synergy777]

time is tricky, the thing is in im opinion its a product/measurement of function.

for things to function they need a process.

look at the orbits of planets, suns etc.

so we need time and time is measurement of the processes of creations eg suns orbit, planets rotation.

i think time is also dependent on the dimensions of its environment, eg our physical plane of existence is 3/4 dimensions,

in higher dimensions, time will be different, as the parameters of that environment/dimension, the construction/functions are different.

its rather complex.

[lenejento]

time is tricky, the thing is in im opinion its a product/measurement of function.

for things to function they need a process.

look at the orbits of planets, suns etc.

so we need time and time is measurement of the processes of creations eg suns orbit, planets rotation.

i think time is also dependent on the dimensions of its environment, eg our physical plane of existence is 3/4 dimensions,

in higher dimensions, time will be different, as the parameters of that environment/dimension, the construction/functions are different.

its rather complex.

And yet, there is always only now :eek:

Nice paradox, the universe is cool
I like paradox best, they boggle the mind, there are some truths that transcends mind, and that you can only know without understanding, like Love :o

And eternity which means no-time, it always now. The mind can't get "no-time".

[synergy777]

i thinks its our perception/understanding of time which makes it difficult.

i see time like any other measurement eg metres, litres, mph etc.

[joss classey]

i have been in states where time has dilated so massively that 10 seconds has felt like a minute. And I swear at one point time went backwards lol.

[lenejento]

And yet, there is always only now :eek:

Nice paradox, the universe is cool
I like paradox best, they boggle the mind, there are some truths that transcends mind, and that you can only know without understanding, like Love :o

And eternity which means no-time, it always now. The mind can't get "no-time".


And even though there is always the eternal now, "time" is good though, for consciousness to experience creation, music for example :)

[cleft_asunder]

time is tricky, the thing is in im opinion its a product/measurement of function.

for things to function they need a process.

look at the orbits of planets, suns etc.

so we need time and time is measurement of the processes of creations eg suns orbit, planets rotation.

i think time is also dependent on the dimensions of its environment, eg our physical plane of existence is 3/4 dimensions,

in higher dimensions, time will be different, as the parameters of that environment/dimension, the construction/functions are different.

its rather complex.

And ya ain't makin' it any easier.

[cleft_asunder]

And even though there is always the eternal now, "time" is good though, for consciousness to experience creation, music for example :)

In other words, time is needed for things to happen?

[lenejento]

In other words, time is needed for things to happen?

For the experience of things happening yes, but nothing ever REALLY changes, the truth will always be the truth, which is eternal (no-time, now) consciousness.
We could describe the truth with many words but it would never be the truth, this is good because then it can't be messed with or manipulated. The truth is not a word, or a thought which are dead, the truth is alive.

Sorry if I went abit off topic here

[cleft_asunder]

For the experience of things happening yes, but nothing ever REALLY changes, the truth will always be the truth, which is eternal (no-time, now) consciousness.
We could describe the truth with many words but it would never be the truth, this is good because then it can't be messed with or manipulated. The truth is not a word, or a thought which are dead, the truth is alive.

Sorry if I went abit off topic here

No, it is completely on topic. I know what you are talking about from reading Eckhart Tolle and others. I wonder what it's like to be God...

[lenejento]

No, it is completely on topic. I know what you are talking about from reading Eckhart Tolle and others. I wonder what it's like to be God...

Ok, good :)
Oh, I'm heading off to be now, stayed up too late again :)

I have listened to abit of Tolle, but my favourite "teachers" (they're really just friends, not teachers) is Adyashanti and Gangaji. :)

[cleft_asunder]

Ok, good :)
Oh, I'm heading off to be now, stayed up too late again :)

I have listened to abit of Tolle, but my favourite "teachers" (they're really just friends, not teachers) is Adyashanti and Gangaji. :)

I'm familiar with both of them through youtube. I too like them, but I find the book A New Earth by Tolle to be a masterpiece in clearity, and I'd go so far as to say that it is a complete book on how to rediscover who you are.

[lenejento]

I'm familiar with both of them through youtube. I too like them, but I find the book A New Earth by Tolle to be a masterpiece in clearity, and I'd go so far as to say that it is a complete book on how to rediscover who you are.

Yes, teachers point to the truth in different ways, this is good, some people need to hear that phrase to wake up, some people need another phrase.

[purple is a fruit]

I'm familiar with both of them through youtube. I too like them, but I find the book A New Earth by Tolle to be a masterpiece in clearity, and I'd go so far as to say that it is a complete book on how to rediscover who you are.


Ironically this book has just come to me and I am about to read it :)

[spiritualone]

I read a great analogy of the "now". Say you were standing on the corner of the street and watching the traffic go by. Due to your limited position, you can only see the cars as they come around the corner (the "now"). If you are up on the tenth floor of a building and watching the same street, you would see the same cars well before the person below. If you are up on the fiftieth floor, you would see the cars before either of the people below you. As you expand your awareness, your perspective of "now" expands with it.

[joss classey]

I read a great analogy of the "now". Say you were standing on the corner of the street and watching the traffic go by. Due to your limited position, you can only see the cars as they come around the corner (the "now"). If you are up on the tenth floor of a building and watching the same street, you would see the same cars well before the person below. If you are up on the fiftieth floor, you would see the cars before either of the people below you. As you expand your awareness, your perspective of "now" expands with it.

that's a good one to remember

[majicdragon]

Maybe now includes the past and future? Maybe if a person was skilled enough in utilizing their mind they could be anywhere, anytime, now.

Yes.

[cleft_asunder]

I read a great analogy of the "now". Say you were standing on the corner of the street and watching the traffic go by. Due to your limited position, you can only see the cars as they come around the corner (the "now"). If you are up on the tenth floor of a building and watching the same street, you would see the same cars well before the person below. If you are up on the fiftieth floor, you would see the cars before either of the people below you. As you expand your awareness, your perspective of "now" expands with it.

Yes, but this says nothing about true NOW, which is the absence of past and future. The corner analogy represents past and future.

[spiritualone]

As with all things, the concept of "now" has been distorted. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. I beleive balance is the key - not overly focused on the past/future/now, but using the past experiences in a positive way in the "now", and using "now" in a constuctive way for the future. Once your intentions are set, surrender to what is in the "now" and trust within yourself you will be guided to your goals.

[siliconpsychosis]

I once eperienced a glitch in time where my experience was confined to an approximate 10 second loop. I was at a rave sitting with friends and everything that happened kept repeating after the same point. People returned to their former position, the music jumped back in time. And each time everything repeated exactly the same. The same mannerisms and expressions, the same words, the same behaviour. I even found myself compelled to repeat the same 10 second behaviour. I even lost the ability to govern my own thoughts. It was terrifying. I thought I was locked in time forever. Although it eventually ended and I escaped back to linear time somehow, I still wonder if part of me is, and always will be experiencing that same eternal loop.