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asevaaamas
22-08-2010, 04:42 AM
I was unsure of where to post this interesting thought. Perhaps this is the best place.

I am reading Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra for the first time. I don't know anything about Nietzsche except that he had a cool mustache. But, on encountering the GOD IS DEAD statement early in the book it occurred to me: could this be a sort of Zen trick? Like the awakening slap of the master's stick on the disciples back? GOD IS DEAD as a method of awakening, to immediately in one powerful thrust destroy one's clinging to the idea of the Other, to empty the mind even of that deepest longing?

Perhaps the next page will tell me, this theory is entirely incorrect. Yet, even if that be so, I don't think it invalidates the power of that phrase used in such a way, as a Zen method of stopping the mind immediately.

What do you think?

loveisthelaw
22-08-2010, 04:53 AM
I was unsure of where to post this interesting thought. Perhaps this is the best place.

I am reading Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra for the first time. I don't know anything about Nietzsche except that he had a cool mustache. But, on encountering the GOD IS DEAD statement early in the book it occurred to me: could this be a sort of Zen trick? Like the awakening slap of the master's stick on the disciples back? GOD IS DEAD as a method of awakening, to immediately in one powerful thrust destroy one's clinging to the idea of the Other, to empty the mind even of that deepest longing?

Perhaps the next page will tell me, this theory is entirely incorrect. Yet, even if that be so, I don't think it invalidates the power of that phrase used in such a way, as a Zen method of stopping the mind immediately.

What do you think?

Well, think about it. If God is dead, it never was God.

Then analyse Nietzsche's stance on religion and God, you will find he is pretty much a Marxist ( Atheist, not the social side ) , from my understanding of his works, not that I have read a significant amount.

asevaaamas
22-08-2010, 05:05 AM
Well, think about it. If God is dead, it never was God.

Then analyse Nietzsche's stance on religion and God, you will find he is pretty much a Marxist ( Atheist, not the social side ) , from my understanding of his works, not that I have read a significant amount.

Well, I'm now thinking that his God Is Dead thing refers more to the idea of God as a dead thing. No longer a living requirement of human thought, a relic of a past age which some choose to keep and others discard.

Of course, I've read but a few pages of this book and nothing else by him so what do I know? These are just my impressions as I go along.

cathar
22-08-2010, 05:07 AM
God is not dead,,,God is insane,,,,

loveisthelaw
22-08-2010, 05:12 AM
Well, I'm now thinking that his God Is Dead thing refers more to the idea of God as a dead thing. No longer a living requirement of human thought, a relic of a past age which some choose to keep and others discard.

Of course, I've read but a few pages of this book and nothing else by him so what do I know? These are just my impressions as I go along.

Then enjoy the read :)

luciferhorus
22-08-2010, 05:29 AM
By referring to the "Death of God" Nietzsche was not referring to the creator of the universe; he was referring to the invented transcendent (up above and beyond) us diety who is the creation of our primitive ancestors and to whom almost any law which restricts human nature can be attributed since there is simply no way to confirm or dispute the laws of a god who entirely transcends the higher authorities of human nature, human reason and human will and who apparently despises the human nature which She allegedly created.


God is not dead,,,God is insane,,,,

Oh yes the god of the Bible, the Vedas and the Koran is genocidally and criminally insane, however these are simply all anthropomorphic human projections of the nature of the Creator, which a more advanced rational and scientific humanity will hopefully eventually dispense with.

Nietzsche may have made a significant philosophical execution of this tyrant god, but unfortunately the "Great Work" continues and religious fantaticism is alive and well and still producing prophets, profits and general mayhem and human misery.




What is Enlightenment? Philosophy 101.

The God of the Philosophers. The “Age of Reason,” Kant, Deism, Nietzsche & the Critique of Religion. For Children.

Lucifer
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Aeon of Lucifer, 2010
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.
The End of Religion. The Death of God: the Great Tyrant

The Enlightenment (The Age of Reason).

In my numerous Internet debates over the years, I seem to be often explaining the same simple points repeatedly, so I thought it would be useful to explain the importance of the philosophical criticism of religion in a simple essay, in language that a child would understand.

"What is Enlightenment" is the title of a famous essay by the philosopher Immanuel Kant in1784. I should point out that Kant was not an atheist; he was however a person who believed that human reason was a higher authority than any religious doctrine.

If one tried to explain simply Kant's general thesis of "What is Enlightenment?" to a modern, scientific, educated, rational person in the 21st century, such a person would probably find such an explanation to be merely statements of the obvious, since subjecting what is irrational to the authority of human reason and critical thinking seems quite obvious to most modern, educated persons, but what is obvious to many of us today was not so obvious in the 18th century to those under the of religious indoctrination and hypnosis. Unfortunately the “Age of Reason” and “Enlightenment” has not arrived for much of the world's population who are still under the spell of the “slave morality” organised religion.

In our world of 6 billion people, a third of the population are just children under 16; the vast majority of the human population are relatively uneducated, illiterate or semi-literate, overly superstitious and the victims or potential victims of religious hypnosis and the indoctrination with primitive superstitions, and with savage, tyrannical, irrational and primitive moral laws, justified by the various gods. This is “not” simply a matter or harmless beliefs, since such beliefs affect human behaviour; such as encouraging submission to tyranny, the justification of war and in general the justification of numerous types of human evil as “moral.”

It seems to be only in the last few hundred years that humankind has begun to rise out of centuries of hypnosis due to religious indoctrination. The criticism of religion which many of us on religious forums on the Internet engage in would have been unthinkable prior to the Enlightenment, and would often have been punishable by arrest, imprisonment, torture, execution and the charges of blasphemy and heresy.

The term "Enlightenment" in New Age Spirituality.

The term "Enlightenment" has also a "mystical" definition. It conjures up an image of a shaman sitting on a mountain top, whose soul is taken on a mystical journey, perhaps via shamanic psychoactives such as Ayahuasca or Psilocybe. This has to do with one's personal inner spiritual journey; it is a journey which I personally recommend, and yet at the same time, the shaman may descend from the mountain top and when questioned may still succumb to numerous irrational religious doctrines. Thus I will not deal with this definition of Enlightenment in this essay, as it is beyond the scope of the term "Enlightenment" as the Enlightenment philosophers understood the term.

Nietzsche's Ubermensch (The Superior man) & Untermensch (inferior man). The New (Neo) man.

Nietzsche's “Superior man” is a very simple concept to understand; particularly in comparison to the many alternative “religious” models which are “mystical” and refer to a person bound by the many laws of the various religions of the world. Nietzsche's model of an ideal person is simply a modern, educated, rational, scientific person who has discarded the savage and primitive superstitions of the past. The new man (and woman) is a master of the earth, a free thinker who subjects all morality and religion to the higher authority of his own human reason. He is entirely free of the slave morality of Aeons of religious indoctrination.

This new (neo) man is not the “Neo” of the Matrix. In the Matrix, Neo is a mystical, miraculous figure, much like the miracle-making Jesus of the Gospels. Neo has supernatural powers; however the Ubermensch is devoid of mystical and miraculous supernatural powers as would be understood by a religionist; his power over nature is entirely due to his scientific, rational and wilful superiority. The attainment of this rational definition of “Neo” is entirely achievable for humankind, whereas the miraculous supernatural Jesus or the Neo of the Matrix are simply models beyond the realm of human possibility; they are simply mystical fictions. The “inferior” person who is under the spell of religious hypnosis has no “will to power;” no faith in the ability of humankind to create heaven on earth by their own power and they wait upon miraculous supernatural intervention and thus they require such fictional and otherworldly models.

While the character of Jesus is considered by many to be a model of genius and of a superior man, Nietzsche's view was that in comparison to the Ubermensch, that the character of Jesus appears as an “idiot;” a primitive ancestor trapped in a world of ancient superstitions and ancient religious laws; a slave to a tyrannical and xenophobic and nationalistic definition of a God who was entirely incapable of being understood by human reason and who seemed to despise the natural world which he had allegedly created;" It is a God who represents a "declaration of war against life, against nature, against the will to live!"[/I] (Nietzsche in “The Antichrist.”)

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Nietzsche's “Antichrist (1888)” has nothing to do with the Biblical Antichrist; a more appropriate title would be “Anti-Christian” since it is primarily an attack on Christianity and indeed all religion.
He portrays the Christian god as a “.. denier, slanderer, and poisoner of life ... " whose " entire fictional world has its roots in hatred of the natural” and as a "... formula for every slander against 'this world. " It is a god who despises human nature; a god who considers much of what is natural to be sinful, and who eternally punishes his children fro simply following their nature..


'Law,' the 'will of God,' the 'sacred book,' 'inspiration' — all merely words for the conditions under which the priest comes to power, by which he maintains his power... Christianity "...turned every value into an disvalue, every truth into a lie... it created distress in order to eternalize itself." It has "...contempt for every good and honest instinct..., and its Beyond is its will to negate every reality... ...against health, beauty, whatever has turned out well, courage, intellect, goodness of the soul, against life itself." (Nietzsche in “The Antichrist.”)

The return to year zero and the "Death of God."

By the “Death of God” Nietzsche was referring to the man made definition of a god who clearly despised the world and who was utilised by the priesthood to control an enslaved, dehumanised and submissive population and to keep them in a state of misery. He even satirically suggested that a new dating system be introduced; rather than having dates which were given an A.D. or B.C suffix relating to the birth of Christ, that the dating system should begin again at year zero due the creation of his work “The Antichrist” in 1888. If the modern scientific revolution continues, it may well be the case that some other form of dating which refers not the birth of Christ, but rather to the “Death of God” may well be chosen. For humankind to progress beyond religious fanaticism and it's adherence to the slave morality of religion, the transcendent god of the religions will certainly have to be killed off from within the minds of the millions of victims of religious indoctrination and hypnosis.

“The Christian faith from the beginning, is the sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of spirit, it is at the same time subjection, self-derision, and self-mutilation....... The Christian resolve to find the world ugly and bad, has made the world ugly and bad. “ Nietzsche, “Antichrist”

The General Criticism of Religion.

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasanttt character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
— Richard Dawkins (The God Delusion)

On the Internet the main proponents of Religion could be said to be the representatives of various forms and sects (sections) of Judaeo Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Neopaganism and various forms of eclectic New Age spirituality. Their critics are generally the proponents of atheism, agnosticism and "natural religion." "Natural religion" is not a "religion" in terms of an organised religion but refers to Deists who have no religious “doctrine,” and for whom god is the god of human nature and the natural world in general; it is not the transcendent god of the religionists about whom almost “anything” can said without any recourse to human reason and human nature.

On Internet debating forums dealing with the subject of "religion" there is often inter-religious debate which generally involves the adherent of one religion attacking another religion. However I do not wish to attack any religion in particular, but merely to point to the simple "method" of criticism which involves the "highest authority"of the tyranny of human reason.

The Benevolent Tyranny of Human Reason: The Highest Divine (godlike) Authority.

Human reason is a “Benevolent Tyrant.” The human mind, unhypnotised by religion, rebels and resists all irrationality. Consider the following poem:

“One fine day in the middle of the night,
Two dead boys got up to fight,
Back to back they faced each other,
Drew their swords and shot each other,
One was blind and the other couldn't see,
So they chose a dummy for a referee.
A blind man went to see fair play,
A dumb man went to shout "hooray!"
A paralysed donkey passing by,
Kicked the blind man in the eye,
Knocked him through a nine inch wall,
Into a dry ditch and drowned them all,
A deaf policeman heard the noise,
And came to arrest the two dead boys,
If you don't believe this story’s true,
Ask the blind man; he saw it too

Source: Anonymous, but written by the Immaterial (non physical) Transcendent God who is both imperfect and perfect, both powerful and powerless and who is good but does not prevent natural and moral evil.”

The Poem of course is meant to be humorous. It is simply meant to display irrationality. If as some theists argue, that we are created in the image of god(s) as divine (godlike) creatures, it seems that the god(s) has instilled in us a “highest authority” which is human reason, which subjects all language and behaviour to it's divine authority and rebels against irrationality. The disease which rebels against this highest authority of divine human reason is the disease of religious hypnosis and indoctrination, for which all manner of irrationality suddenly becomes “the highest truth.”

The Evil of the Philosophers. Blasphemy & Heresy.

If the Universe has a Creator, She would have to be the universe's greatest physicist, biologist, chemist, mathematician and philosopher; She would have to be the creator of the faculty of human reason. If then She gave birth to many religions which simply confound, insult and offend human reason, it would seem to imply that the Creator is either an imbecile, or that there is a flaw in Her design or that She is deliberately trying to confuse Her children; it is hardly the definition of a “great genius.”

It seems to me that when I debate with a religious fanatic or a person suffering from religious indoctrination and hypnosis, when I subject their their religious doctrines and their definition of the god or the gods to the highest authority (my own reason) that I am often the victim of persecution; I am called a Satanist, a blasphemer, a heretic, the enemy of God(s) and I am condemned to the eternal tortures of Hell. There seems to be few greater sins than the sin of the application of human reason; that is why I am a blasphemer, a heretic, a Satanist and the enemy of the gods. Narrow is the path to heaven and to “Enlightenment.” Wide is the path to the hell of ignorance, human folly and irrationality.

Ordo ab chaos. Lux e tenebris.

"The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute that it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive, many others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear, others are slowly being devoured from within by rasping parasites, thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst, and disease. It must be so. If there ever is a time of plenty, this very fact will automatically lead to an increase in the population until the natural state of starvation and misery is restored. In a universe of electrons and selfish genes, blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason in it, nor any justice. The universe that we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil, no good, nothing but pitiless indifference." — Richard Dawkins (River Out of Eden: A Darwinian View of Life)


The phrases "Order out of Chaos" and "Light out of Darkness" can be interpreted in a number of ways and have been adopted by various religious cults; however these are essentially also "Enlightenment" terms which refer to the "Age of Reason" and the triumph of human reason over the irrationality religious doctrine and the barbarism and bigotry of religious culture.

The universe is chaotic. It is the “natural evil” of the universe and the earth's non-man made floods, famines, earthquakes, disasters and diseases which constitute the main reasons which are put forward against the philosophical argument for (God's) design. It is however the human mind which makes sense of the universe and gives purpose and order to the world; our minds appear to perceive only a tiny fraction of the numerous wavelengths of the physics of the universe; it is our minds which arrange reality in such a way that we perceive ourselves, each other and the universe in the way that we do.

Human beings give their lives purpose and meaning. We all seek to be happy, to be free from harm, to have sufficient material resources and technology, to love, to be loved and to live our lives in an ocean of happiness. It is we who attempt to create order out of the chaos of the universe. Our human history has been full of savagery, slavery, tyranny and the disease of religion, and if there is a hope that future Aeon will see the arrival of economic heaven on earth, it is the modern rational, wilful, educated, scientific “New Man (and woman) who is a product of the age of reason who will build such a world.

New Aeon spirituality and “Progression”

You could give Aristotle a tutorial and you could thrill him to the core of his being. Aristotle was an encyclopedic polymath, an all time intellect, yet not only can you know more than him about the world, you also can have a deeper understanding of how everything works. Such is the privilege of living after Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Planck, Watson, Crick and their colleagues." — Richard Dawkins

Just as a modern scientist, with the hindsight to look back over Aeons of human history and to be confident of superior knowledge far beyond that of many great geniuses of human history, so too it is with many of the “spiritualists” of the New Age movement, most of whom who have abandoned a dogmatic and fundamentalist attitude to the Holy Books of the religions of the ancient world and who have embraced the god of nature and of human reason; the god of the philosophers. This of course is simply “not far enough” for the High Priests of atheism such as Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens whose entirely justifiable evangelical hatred of religion is not merely an academic or intellectual matter of the philosophical attack on the evil gods of organised religion, but a crusade to eradicate religion due to the effects of religious belief on human behaviour and the wars, genocides, executions and human misery which it creates.

Evangelical Rationalism. Dehypnosis.

"The me for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry." ..."(unfortunately) the majority of children born into the world tend to inherit the beliefs of their parents, and that to me is one of the most regrettable facts of them all" — Richard Dawkins


A common defence of religion is that religions contain “eternal truths.” For example, a person may believe that the universe has a Creator or Creators. This is a matter which philosophers debate endlessly with no possibility of “proof”of the existence or non existence of a Creator or creators; however when the theist studies a religious text, the person may find a general agreement with text that the universe has a creator of creators; based on this initial agreement, the person may then assume that everything else in the text may also be true. This of course is simply a denial of “logic.” If a philosopher makes 99 statements which can be shown to be true, it simply does not follow that the 100th statement the philosopher makes will be true. Similarly with religious texts. Based on the initial agreement with the claim that “God exists,” the victim of religious hypnosis may then go on to accept everything else in the text, such as that people should be executed for working on the Sabbath, or for blaspheming the name of the particular god, or that certain types of human and animal sacrifices should be made to the god. Such is the power of irrationality to affect human behaviour and to create religious hell on earth.

The process of “dehypnosis” is the process of philosophical education. Evangelical rationalists, and humanists tend to be evangelical in their fervour, however it is not an evangelicalism based on arrogance, for unlike the religionists, they do not claim to know what they cannot know, it is an evangelism based on the desire to liberate humanity from the sleep of the Aeons and to liberate the slaves from religious hypnosis and indoctrination.

Lux

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What is Enlightenment? Philosophy 101.
Part II: Beyond Good and Evil. Sexual morality and the Sins of Restriction.

Lucifer 2010.

On the Importance of Sex Education for Children.

On countering the effects of religious hypnosis, indoctrination and the "sins of restriction."

Lucifer 2010.

The god of the philosophers vs. the god of religion.

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By the term the god of the “philosophers” I merely refer to the god of nature, of the natural world, of human reason, instinct and intuition and I do not refer to the “transcendent (above and beyond)” mysterious deity of the religionists, whose restrictive laws and “will” seem to always contradict human will, human nature, especially human sexuality and also human reason.

Puberty: the natural transition from childhood to adulthood.

Animals are born instinctively perfect. At a certain point they reach the age of puberty and reproduce. I don't know of any religionists who believe that animals should not reproduce at the point of puberty and who consider such animals to be sinful. Similarly with the absence of monogamy in the animal world; I do not know of any religionist who believes that animals should be executed for adultery or for working on the Sabbath, or for erotic behaviour with the same sex.

Human beings have certain things in common in terms of their nature, they seek to be happy, to be safe from harm, to have sufficient resources for survival, and when they reach the age of puberty, they generally all become obsessed to a certain extent with eroticism. Even if a post-pubescent human being does not have lovers, in their inner world of fantasy, they create their own lovers, and this fantasy world reveals their true nature and desire.

The “god of the philosophers,” the“god of nature” seems to have designed human beings to transform into erotic creatures with an erotic will at the point of puberty. The anti-nature god of the religionists on the other hand seems to disagree with the “god of nature,” and his priesthood have set up numerous barriers and restrictions on human nature, often defining those who follow their nature to be “sinful,” “fallen” or “degenerate.”

The sin of monogamy.

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The human mind is not monogamous. If one explores the erotic fantasies of human beings, one finds that virtually all human beings are not monogamous. One cannot tell this simply by their behaviour, since their behaviour is restrained by religious indoctrination and social conditioning, but one can certainly reach this conclusion psychologically through an understanding of the world of human erotic fantasy. The mind does not lie; the human person fantasies about their true desires.

Age of consent.

In our world there are many religionists and many police states, all with different religious and secular laws regarding the age of consent. For example in Spain the age of consent is 13 and in Ireland it is 17 and every nation in Europe declares a different age of “consent” ranging from 13 to 18. Similarly religionists seem to have a different opinion on this. Christians on the Internet commonly criticise Islamic and Hindu child brides, but their biblical faith was similarly born in an ancient and primitive world where child marriage was similarly common.

Marriage, it must be pointed out, is simply an entirely unnatural remnant from the age of slavery where throughout the history of the world, fathers have sold their daughters into a life of unnatural monogamy

The enemies of human reason, human nature and of the god of nature.

According to the “god of nature” and to “natural law,” the age of consent is quite simply the age of puberty. In the modern world where it is common to live until a great age, we human beings spend most of our lives as adults and as erotic creatures. Childhood is simply an initial age of prepration and maturation which prepares us for the "normal" human experience which is the erotic world of adulthood.

In the Capitalist world if you ask a person to tell you about themselves, their career is often the first thing that they will tell you, particularly for males. Young women, however instinctively seem to have a greater understanding that part of their life's “work” is that of a lover and of motherhood, and yet a response to modern children's sex education which attempts to offer preparation and guidance for this journey of eroticism, from the enemies of human reason, human nature and the god of nature, is that sex education for children is an attempt to somehow pervert human society from the laws of the transcendent god of the religionists who seems to despise human nature.

Tantric philosophy.

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Modern eclectic New Age spirituality and philosophy appears to be very much entwined with the god of nature and with Tantric philosophy. No longer do the gods (or god) of the New Age consider the natural human form and human will to be “sinful” and “unnatural.”

Many different types of perfectly natural erotic experiences are defined by the enemies of the god of nature as “unnatural lusts,” in the language of religious double speak; thus for the victim of religoius hypnosis and indoctrination, the word "natural" comes to be defined as "unnatural."

In Tantric Philosophy, human sexuality and human spirituality are entwined. Eroticism is embraced as the highest spiritual and divine (godlike) act. The sin of monogamy is similarly embraced as entirely unnatural and a restriction on human will.

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From a Tantric perspective we are essentially and fundamentally creatures of eroticism, and this is as the god of nature intended. Since this is part of our fundamental purpose, it seems rather strange not to point this out to children in preparation for their adult life.

Modern sex education would probably be unnecessary in a world free from the sin of organised religion and “revealed” religious laws. Children would simply learn from the behaviour of adults and at the point of puberty they would simply follow their nature. The necessity for modern sex education is not to indoctrinate children with religious morality; on the contrary it is to unindocrinate them from the negative effects of religious indoctrination, and serves the useful purpose of attempting to free the minds of children from such primitive religious superstitions against human nature.

It is partly because of the existence of religious indoctrination that sex education becomes necessary to free the minds of children who have been subjected to religious hypnosis and who have been taught that eroticism is somehow “sinful” and only permissible once one engages in legalised sex slavery (i.e., marriage.)

Slave Morality.

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“Religious morality” is simply, as Nietzsche defined it, “slave morality.” It is the morality of controlled slave; a person who is not free to follow their nature as the god of nature intended.

Modern sex education in Europe tends to be devoid of religious morality, and it is the enemies of the god of nature who see in this some grand conspiracy theory to somehow “degenerate” society; however when one examines religious morality from a modern humanistic and natural perspective one finds all manner of laws concerning restrictions on natural human behaviour; laws demanding executions for various types of erotic behaviour, laws concerning what type of children or animals should be sacrificed to what deity (with regards to the Vedic scriptures) and what type of rites and prayers should be offered to the various gods and the various definitions of the god who is the enemy of human nature.

Rape and Incest in the Bible

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Above: "Lot's Daughters"

In the Bible we find, for example that Lot gets drunk and has incest with both of his daughters and yet is referred to as a “righteous man” In the book of Numbers, Moses tells his army to commit genocide against war captives, both male and female, with the exception of young virgin girls who were taken as sex slaves. Despite all this, it is today often those with an allegedly “Biblical faith” who are the enemies of human sexual freedom; their god seems to demand a life of monogamous and exclusively heterosexual sex slavery and deems all other natural erotic desires as “unnatural” and sinful. It is such religionists who are the enemies of the god of nature and of natural human eroticism whom children have to be protected from and “educated” to withstand and reject the effects of religious hypnosis and restrictions on their natural behaviour

Lux
Blasphemy, Heresy, War, Revolution, etc.

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“Sex is the most powerful instinct in man. The politician and the priest have understood from the very beginning that sex is the most driving energy in man. It has to be curtailed, it has to be cut. If man is allowed total Freedom in sex, then there will be no possibility to dominate him. To make a slave out of him will be impossible.

Have you not seen it being done? When you want a bull to be yoked to a cart, what do you do? You castrate him, you destroy his sex energy. And have you seen the difference between a bull and an ox? What a difference! An ox is a poor phenomenon, a slave. A bull is a beauty; a bull is a glorious pheonomenon, a great splendor. See a bull walking, how he walks like an emperor! And see an ox pulling a cart.

The same has been done to man. The sex instinct has been curtailed, cut, crippled. Man does not exist as the bull now, he exists like the ox, and each man is pulling a thousand and one carts. Look and you will find behind you a thousand and one carts, and you are yoked to them.

Why can’t you yoke a bull? The bull is too powerful. If he sees a cow passing by, he will throw both you and the cart, and he will move to the cow! He will not bother a bit about who you are, and he will not listen. It will be impossible to control the bull. Sex energy is life energy; it is uncontrollable. And the politician and the priest are not interested in you, they are interested in channeling your energy into other directions. So there is a certain Mechanism behind it--it has to be understood.

Sex repression, tabooing sex, is the very foundation of human slavery. Man cannot be free unless sex is free. Man cannot be really free unless his sex energy is allowed natural growth.

These are the five tricks through which man has been turned into a slave, into an ugly phenomenon, a cripple.

The first is:
Keep man as weak as possible if you want to dominate him. If the priest wants to dominate you or the politician wants to dominate you, you have to be kept as weak as possible. And the best way to keep a man weak is not to give love total freedom. Love is nourishment..."

"...Second:
Keep man as ignorant and deluded as possible so that he can easily be deceived..."

"...The third secret:
Keep man as frightened as possible. And the sure way is not to allow him love, because love destroys fear--’love casteth out fear.’ When you are not in love you become more interested in security, in safety. When you are in love you are more interested in adventure, in exploration...."

"...The Fourth:
Keep man as miserable as possible--because a miserable man is confused, a miserable man has no self-worth, a miserable man is self-condemnatory, a miserable man feels that he must have done something wrong. A miserable man has no grounding--you can push him from here and there, he can be turned into driftwood very easily. And a miserable man is always ready to be commanded, to be ordered, to be disciplined, because he knows ’On my own I am simply miserable. Maybe someody else can discipline my life.’ He is a ready victim."

"And the fifth:
Keep men as alienated from each other as possible, so that they cannot band together for some purpose of which the priest and the politician may not approve. Keep people separate from each other. Don’t allow them too much intimacy. When people are separate, lonely, alienated from each other, they cannot band together. And there are a thousand and one tricks to keep them apart.

For example, if you are holding the hand of a man--you are a man and you are holding the hand of a man and walking down the road, singing--you will feel guilty because people will start looking at you. Are you gay, homosexual or something? Two men are not allowed to be happy together. They are condemned as homosexuals. Fear arises. If your friend comes and takes your hand in his hand, you look around: ’Is somebody looking or not?’ And you are just in a hurry to drop the hand..."

-Osho

asevaaamas
22-08-2010, 05:55 AM
By referring to the "Death of God" Nietzsche was not referring to the creator of the universe; he was referring to the invented transcendent (up above and beyond) us diety who is the creation of our primitive ancestors and to whom almost any law which restricts human nature can be attributed since there is simply no way to confirm or dispute the laws of a god who entirely transcends the higher authorities of human nature, human reason and human will and who apparently despises the human nature which She allegedly created.
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You mean... like I just posted? :p

loveoverhate
22-08-2010, 07:15 AM
It's such a moot point. Hearing someone say "God is dead", whichever "god" they may or may not be referring to is as relevant and poignant as someone saying "Rock is dead". Actually, I'd say that the latter is probably more true than the former.

asevaaamas
22-08-2010, 07:18 AM
It's such a moot point. Hearing someone say "God is dead" is as relevant and poignant as someone saying "Rock is dead". Actually, I'd say that the latter is probably more true than the former.

True, but I imagine it had more bite when Nietzsche first introduced the phrase.

I'm not arguing for or against it. I don't care either way - I'm reading Nietzsche out of curiosity, not to find a new worldview or have my perspective changed. I got out of the mindset where one argues for and against philosophies and such a long time ago.

orb27
22-08-2010, 09:22 AM
I was unsure of where to post this interesting thought. Perhaps this is the best place.

I am reading Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra for the first time. I don't know anything about Nietzsche except that he had a cool mustache. But, on encountering the GOD IS DEAD statement early in the book it occurred to me: could this be a sort of Zen trick? Like the awakening slap of the master's stick on the disciples back? GOD IS DEAD as a method of awakening, to immediately in one powerful thrust destroy one's clinging to the idea of the Other, to empty the mind even of that deepest longing?

Perhaps the next page will tell me, this theory is entirely incorrect. Yet, even if that be so, I don't think it invalidates the power of that phrase used in such a way, as a Zen method of stopping the mind immediately.

What do you think?


An excellent way of looking at it.

marina2012
22-08-2010, 03:11 PM
significant

OSHO: There Is no God but I Have Found Something Far More Significant (Preview) - YouTube

theperceivingeye
26-09-2010, 07:40 PM
IMO he was mainly referring to the rise of materialistic consciousness (industrial revolution, various scientific dogmas, etc.) in the modern world.

The death of God is a way of saying that humans are no longer able to believe in any such cosmic order since they themselves no longer recognize it. The death of God will lead, Nietzsche says, not only to the rejection of a belief of cosmic or physical order but also to a rejection of absolute values themselves — to the rejection of belief in an objective and universal moral law, binding upon all individuals. In this manner, the loss of an absolute basis for morality leads to nihilism. This nihilism is what Nietzsche worked to find a solution for by re-evaluating the foundations of human values. This meant, to Nietzsche, looking for foundations that went deeper than Christian values. He would find a basis in the "will to power" that he described as "the essence of reality."

Nietzsche believed that the majority of people did not recognize this death out of the deepest-seated fear or angst. Therefore, when the death did begin to become widely acknowledged, people would despair and nihilism would become rampant. This is partly why Nietzsche saw Christianity as nihilistic. He may have seen himself as a historical figure like Zarathustra, Socrates or Jesus, giving a new philosophical orientation to future generations to overcome the impending nihilism. -wackapedia

Nietzsche and Heidegger

Martin Heidegger understood this part of Nietzsche's philosophy by looking at it as death of metaphysics. In his view, Nietzsche's words can only be understood as referring not to a particular theological or anthropological view but rather to the end of philosophy itself. Philosophy has, in Heidegger's words, reached its maximum potential as metaphysics and Nietzsche's words warn of its demise and that of any metaphysical world view. If metaphysics is dead, Heidegger warns, that is because from its inception that was its fate.[2]
[edit] New possibilities

Nietzsche believed there could be positive possibilities for humans without God. Relinquishing the belief in God opens the way for human creative abilities to fully develop. The Christian God, he wrote, would no longer stand in the way, so human beings might stop turning their eyes toward a supernatural realm and begin to acknowledge the value of this world.

Nietzsche uses the metaphor of an open sea, which can be both exhilarating and terrifying. The people who eventually learn to create their lives anew will represent a new stage in human existence, the Übermensch — i.e. the personal archetype who, through the conquest of their own nihilism, themselves become a sort of mythical hero. The 'death of God' is the motivation for Nietzsche's last (uncompleted) philosophical project, the 'revaluation of all values'.

sorry about the wikipedia quotes :o

stag watson
01-10-2010, 10:50 PM
I was unsure of where to post this interesting thought. Perhaps this is the best place.

I am reading Nietzsche's Thus Spoke Zarathustra for the first time. I don't know anything about Nietzsche except that he had a cool mustache. But, on encountering the GOD IS DEAD statement early in the book it occurred to me: could this be a sort of Zen trick? Like the awakening slap of the master's stick on the disciples back? GOD IS DEAD as a method of awakening, to immediately in one powerful thrust destroy one's clinging to the idea of the Other, to empty the mind even of that deepest longing?

Perhaps the next page will tell me, this theory is entirely incorrect. Yet, even if that be so, I don't think it invalidates the power of that phrase used in such a way, as a Zen method of stopping the mind immediately.

What do you think?

God is Dead !.He officially died in 1984 and that's not a coincidence