Was L Ron Hubbard a typical Piscean?

[bardofely]

I believe very much so and have published a hub looking at why I think this was the case:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Was-Scientology-founder-L-Ron-Hubbard-a-typical-Piscean

[linda28]

I believe very much so and have published a hub looking at why I think this was the case:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Was-Scientology-founder-L-Ron-Hubbard-a-typical-Piscean

Interesting. Pisces rules religion and the dream world, but it's good to look at his whole natal chart. And find out his ascendant, moon, MC, venus and mars signs as well.

[bardofely]

Interesting. Pisces rules religion and the dream world, but it's good to look at his whole natal chart. And find out his ascendant, moon, MC, venus and mars signs as well.

Well, Julie Braden posted this on my Facebook wall:

"Interestingly, under the Sidereal model he is Aquarius but very close to Pisces. Of note is the Uranus/Mars conjunction in Cap squaring Sat in Aries. With Jupiter in 11th opp Saturn."

[linda28]

If he is born on March 13th, then he is Pisces.
I see he also has Mercury (planet of the mind) in Pisces, close to his Sun.
If his birth time is right on Astrotheme.com, then his ascendant is Sagittarius.
Also a sign of religion, higher consciousness, publishing, and writing.
The moon in Virgo (a sign ruled by Mercury) could mean he felt a responsibility for "publishing" and writing about his ideas about life, humanity etc.
Seems like he had a grand trine in water signs.
Sun in Pisces, Jupiter in Scorpio, and Neptune in Cancer. Very good for intuitive, creative "dream" creativity.

[luciferhorus]

I believe very much so and have published a hub looking at why I think this was the case:

http://hubpages.com/hub/Was-Scientology-founder-L-Ron-Hubbard-a-typical-Piscean


http://www.e-tarocchi.com/reports/images/HubbardLRonnatal.GIF

You can view Hubbard's chart and an analysis of it on: http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/RdjnV98LSDma.htm

You can also view the charts of numerous other famous people on the above site.

I did read your blog on Hubbard, however in answer to your question, "Was Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard a typical Piscean?" I would say that he certainly had Piscean traits; Pisceans can certainly suffer from religious "delusions" but this is simply a "negative" Piscean trait which is not common to all Pisceans.

Astology in general.

I also have "Sun in Pisces" however I am not a great believer in pop astrology, since one has to look at the entire chart and also consider many other factors which influence the human personality such as religious and social conditioning, economic class education, parents, life experience and so forth.

Also consider:

1: Every 2 and a half days the Moon moves into a different house. During this period, "approximately" 1 million children will be born. They will all have a very similar birth chart with their planets in the same signs, however they will all be born to very different religious and social environments. They may share some personality traits, but they will all have very different lives.

2: The Rising Sign (Acendant). Every 2 hours on the eastern horizon, a different sign of the zodiac appears. During this two hour period "approximately" 30,000 children will be born. They will all have virtually identical charts including their ascendant.


There are so many factors which influence human consciousness. If one looks at Hitler's birthchart there is nothing to indicate that he would be either "good" or "evil;" personally I believe that all children are born innocent and "sinless" and that it is numerous other factors which cause them, in adult life to transform into mass murders or into cult leaders.

My moon is in Libra and my sun in pisces, while Aleister Crowley was Moon Pisces and sun in Libra. Certainly we share certain traits and such polarity often creates immense attraction between two souls. The Piscean is rather spiritual and often lost in a world of their own inner subconsciousness of dreams, visions and idealism, however the negative side of this is often extreme delusion and also despair over the fact that the world is not ideal and does not live up to their ideals; depending on other qualities the person has, this can result in the desire to change the world, to destroy it or to simply retreat into the inner world of the subconsious and simply escape the world.

Hubbard was a fraud, a charlatan and a business man. The secret "OT (operating thetan)" documents which are only revealed to the upper echelons of the Scientology cult have been published by ex scientologists and have been circulating the Internet for some years; it is simply rather awful and infantile science fiction. He was totally deluded, however he was rather good at extracting money from his cult members.

Lux


"Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion. " L. Ron Hubbard.

[bardofely]

Thank you for a detailed analysis and chart, Lux!

From my point of view writing the article, the points made about Hubbard fitted with what is in the astrology book I quoted and I stand by my views on this.

I also would point out that I benefited a lot from my time in Scientology and besides what is wrong with it and its creator there is also a lot of good advice and common sense that gets results and keeps supporters hooked into it all!

[luciferhorus]

Thank you for a detailed analysis and chart, Lux!

From my point of view writing the article, the points made about Hubbard fitted with what is in the astrology book I quoted and I stand by my views on this.!

Well I was not disagreeing with you Bard; I was just commenting on your blog.

Obviously Hubbard did have certain Piscean characteristics, however Piscean characterists (or indeed any of the Astrological archetypes) can be be badly aspected and with every astrological archetype there are benefic and malefic qualities. For example Hitler had three planets (Sun Mars & Venus) in Taurus (Taurus is ruled by Venus), all in opposition to Libra (whose planetary ruler is also Venus) in Pluto, all of which indicates a very strong tendency to delusions of grandeur and deluded judgement. Taurus is also ruled by the male and female archetypes of Venus and Lucifer, and a malefically aspected Venus wants to be worshipped as god; however I would be cautious about saying that Hitler was a "typical" Venetian or Taurean, since other Taureans might think I was alleging that Taureans have a Hitler type nature.

There are of course so many other environmental, religious, political, sexual and economic aspects of a person's life to consider when analysing them psychologically, apart from their birthchart. For example I am sure that there would be many other persons in the world who were Taureans of that era and who had similar birthcharts who despised Hitler.

I do find astrology fascinating and can ramble on for hours about it; however I do not believe that the future is predestined and I believe in the power of human will. Commercial "Pop Astrologists" tend to be very flattering; they tend to make mostly positive statements, however by studying the malefic aspects of one's charts, one can examine one's psychological weaknesses and possible pitfalls and then choose to act against such tendencies.


I also would point out that I benefited a lot from my time in Scientology and besides what is wrong with it and its creator there is also a lot of good advice and common sense that gets results and keeps supporters hooked into it all!

Oh yes, there is no doubt that there are many positive aspects to virtually any religion. Decades after my initial fascination with OSHO (Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh) I am still under their philosophical and spiritual "spell," and I consider that to be a positive influence; however I am not uncritical of either of them.

Almost the entirety of Baghwan's philosophy I find myself in total agreement with, however there were also certain cult like aspects of his cult and his obsession with money and accumulating Roll's Royces which rather spoiled his rather perfect anti-guru and sex guru image.

With L. Ron Hubbard, however I find much of writings to be offensive and I consider him to be primarily a person who wished to make a lot of money out of religion. If there were no positive aspects to religious cultism, nobody would join religious cults; and if there were no negative aspects it is doubtful that many would become ex cultists or anti cultists; being familiar with the anti-Scientology sites and with the "Anonymous" movement, most of the critcisms against Scientology appear to be justified in my judgement.

One can usually always extract positive aspects of a philosophy or form of spirituality without joining a cult. There is also a powerful attraction in "social bonding" and the fact that when one joins a cult that one instantly has a large social network of friends; this can often be replaced in the real world by non religious social networks such as the Anarchist and New Age subcultures.

I was also in my 20's (I am 51 now) associated with the Korean Moon cult which is probably one of the most malevolent religious cults of the 20th century and my experience has had much to do with my intellectual conversion to evangelical anti-cultism and opposition to all forms of organised religion.

As I understand the "Scientology" process, I think that it would be a statement of the obvious to say that there can be a great deal of phychological benefit with their "auditing" system; with being able to pour out one's soul to another human soul; however being an amateur student of psychology myself and having a relative who is a psychologist, I tend to treat almost all conversations with friends and aquaintances as psychological discussions; I think that the real substitute for "auditing" is just to have very close friends and to try to create close relationships with everyone.

So how is life in the Canary Islands, Bard? I am also considering emigrating from the UK later in the year; possibly in November; I had considered the Canaries for various reasons, however I expect to end up in India, for financial reasons, as it is probably still the cheapest of the earth's "old hippy" paradises.

Lux

[bardofely]

Well, yes, I understand what you are saying and yes, as I learned Scientology is really about making money for the cult, although I know that a lot of it is ploughed straight back into marketing and publicity to get new converts and get sales.
Stuff that was of use to me personally was more to do with common sense but obviously it hadn't occurred to me like the value of promoting yourself, creations and products - if you don't do so no one knows and nothing happens. I got into the habit of taking vitamins and supplements too from being in Scientology and doing so vastly improved my physical health. I quit drinking for four years too and quit smoking for good. Of course I could have done these things without Scientology but hadn't managed to.
Life here is better than my life in the UK and I intend staying here but it is still a struggle for money although at last I am getting paid work writing about the pyramids here and the Guanches. I have already done so for Feed Your Brain magazine and am doing so too for Kindred Spirit.

[luciferhorus]

Well, yes, I understand what you are saying and yes, as I learned Scientology is really about making money for the cult, although I know that a lot of it is ploughed straight back into marketing and publicity to get new converts and get sales.
Stuff that was of use to me personally was more to do with common sense but obviously it hadn't occurred to me like the value of promoting yourself, creations and products - if you don't do so no one knows and nothing happens. I got into the habit of taking vitamins and supplements too from being in Scientology and doing so vastly improved my physical health. I quit drinking for four years too and quit smoking for good. Of course I could have done these things without Scientology but hadn't managed to.


Yes I do understand.


Life here is better than my life in the UK and I intend staying here but it is still a struggle for money although at last I am getting paid work writing about the pyramids here and the Guanches. I have already done so for Feed Your Brain magazine and am doing so too for Kindred Spirit.

Unfortunately no matter how anti-Capitalist or "spiritual" we are in terms of political philosophy, beliefs and idealism, we all have to live in a Capitalist world.

I live near to Glastonbury which is probably the one of the Capitals of the European Neopagan and New Age movement; but unfortunately by necessity it is New Age Capitalism and there are an endless stream of "New Age" workshops and events every week; generally all of which attempts by someone to derive an income, with the exception of the Pagan Federation moots.

Similarly the world of "New Age" writing and publishing (of which David Icke is a New Age success story) pours out a vast array of magazines and publications and we have four "New Age" specialist bookshops in Glastonbury alone.

I have been writing essays and articles since the beginnings of the Internet, some them which were the product of periods of intense psychoactive use and which I am somewhat embarrassed to read now, but I have never published anything commercially. The commercial arena of writing and publishing seem to be very competitive but certainly "New Age" writing and publishing is a growing market.

Regards

Lux