Building the World Trade Center

[randyt]

An interesting 20 minute documentary about the construction of the World Trade Center. Notice how much care and attention was given to it's strength and ability to withstand damage...

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v509658j97pQ3Cm?searchId=3079421491165573135&rank=0

Randy

[christophera]

The video misrepresents the towers core structure. It was not comprised of multiple steel core columns, it was a steel reinforced cast concrete tube.

Here is the WTC concrete core at 1/2 it's height.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/southcorestands.gif

Below is the only official depiction of the core of the towers. How can the below represent the above.

http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/femacore.gif

The downloadable plans leaked were faked from preliminary plans created by Robertson and the design proposed of steel core columns the final certifying architect, he would not certify as the very long steel core columns had too much flex. The leaked plans were faked to appear as construction drawings. NIST never had the plans.

But yes, the towers were super strong and planes with fires would have done nothing to them.

[randyt]

I agree with your conclusion.

With regard to the analysis or the so called "official explanation" for what made the towers collapse I would like to quote Sherlock Holmes:

"Once you eliminate the impossible [i.e. planes, fire], whatever remains [explosives], no matter how improbable - is the truth".

Don't forget, there was NO raging fire after the impact of the planes. 90% as we all saw in the footage was thick black smoke.

Never in the history of humanity has smoke made a steel reinforced concrete builing collapse to dust.


Randy

[helloperator]

Yeah, it's so obvious isn't it...yet nobody cares, life goes on...people still go to work and complain about the man.

[christophera]

I agree with your conclusion.

With regard to the analysis or the so called "official explanation" for what made the towers collapse I would like to quote Sherlock Holmes:

"Once you eliminate the impossible [i.e. planes, fire], whatever remains [explosives], no matter how improbable - is the truth".

Don't forget, there was NO raging fire after the impact of the planes. 90% as we all saw in the footage was thick black smoke.

Never in the history of humanity has smoke made a steel reinforced concrete builing collapse to dust.


Randy

Right on randyt!

It is impossible that steel core columns existed in the core area because enough explosives cannot be placed enough times to make enough cuts to create free fall, and the cuts created, if they were created that way, would not look like this.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif

What remains is the custom, optimized cutting charges were built into the floors, every third floor which made the approximate 40 foot pieces and caused free fall.

[randyt]

Christophera,

When I said I agree with your conclusion I meant exactly that.

This is the only part of your posts I agree with:

"But yes, the towers were super strong and planes with fires would have done nothing to them".

The core DID consist of multiple steel columns.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html


Randy

[christophera]

Christophera,

When I said I agree with your conclusion I meant exactly that.

This is the only part of your posts I agree with:

"But yes, the towers were super strong and planes with fires would have done nothing to them".

The core DID consist of multiple steel columns.

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html


Randy

That image at the top of that page is the one most often presented to evidence steel core columns. Of course it is way too far to tell anything, even to count them.

This image evidences a very important fact.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

1. The vertical steel seen in the core is near the bottom of WTC 2
2. The vertical steel has what is called a "butt plate" on its top which is used to join successive pieces of steel together.

A butt plate does not have enough lateral strength to act as part of a core column. Only a fillet weld which essentially makes successive pieces of a column joined together as if they were one, is strong enough for a "core column".

(This shows an "I" beam, the fillet weld is what is referenced here.)
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/fillet.diagram.gif

If one is going to assert that there were steel columns in the core area and that something like free fall was attained, and no steel core columns are EVER seen in images of 9-11 in the core area at some elevation above the ground, then one has to define how the supposed steel core column were cut, and show columns cut in that manner.

So please give details on how the supposed steel core columns were cut. AND, how many cuts would be required to have the approximate sizes found at ground zero.

If you cannot do this, you must leave the issue open, because I know for absolute certain the towers had a steel reinforced cast concrete core, AND, in 5 years no one has ever produced an image of a steel croe column in the core area at an elevation above the ground. If the steel in the core area of the helicopter photo on the page you link to is elevator guide rail support steel, all the bolts joining butt plates would snap immediately and nothing would be seen in the core area, just as the 9-11 images show.

If the steel core columns existed, they would be seen or they were cut.

Do you beleive FEMA without question on this issue? Recall, the agancy was not created under the Constitution and cheny was appointed director 1 week after gwb was selected for office.

Also, concrete can be easily fractured to fall instantly, freely by a small amount of explosive whereas steel cannot.

Be accountable here. Our collective futures are at stake.

[randyt]

That image at the top of that page is the one most often presented to evidence steel core columns. Of course it is way too far to tell anything, even to count them.

This image evidences a very important fact.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/elev_guide.rail.supp.jpg

1. The vertical steel seen in the core is near the bottom of WTC 2
2. The vertical steel has what is called a "butt plate" on its top which is used to join successive pieces of steel together.

A butt plate does not have enough lateral strength to act as part of a core column. Only a fillet weld which essentially makes successive pieces of a column joined together as if they were one, is strong enough for a "core column".

(This shows an "I" beam, the fillet weld is what is referenced here.)
http://algoxy.com/psych/images/fillet.diagram.gif

If one is going to assert that there were steel columns in the core area and that something like free fall was attained, and no steel core columns are EVER seen in images of 9-11 in the core area at some elevation above the ground, then one has to define how the supposed steel core column were cut, and show columns cut in that manner.

So please give details on how the supposed steel core columns were cut. AND, how many cuts would be required to have the approximate sizes found at ground zero.

If you cannot do this, you must leave the issue open, because I know for absolute certain the towers had a steel reinforced cast concrete core, AND, in 5 years no one has ever produced an image of a steel croe column in the core area at an elevation above the ground. If the steel in the core area of the helicopter photo on the page you link to is elevator guide rail support steel, all the bolts joining butt plates would snap immediately and nothing would be seen in the core area, just as the 9-11 images show.

If the steel core columns existed, they would be seen or they were cut.

Do you beleive FEMA without question on this issue? Recall, the agancy was not created under the Constitution and cheny was appointed director 1 week after gwb was selected for office.

Also, concrete can be easily fractured to fall instantly, freely by a small amount of explosive whereas steel cannot.

Be accountable here. Our collective futures are at stake.


The steel beams were cut using thermite. For a detailed explanation with regard to this subject I suggest you start by reading the following:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

You claim no one has ever produced an image of a steel core column, yet when you see that exact image in either video of photo, you deny that that is what you are looking at. Also I have not to this day seen any clear image of a steel reinforced cast concrete core. Show me THAT picture and we'll have something to discuss.

Our collective futures are not at stake because we disagree about the nature of the core. Our "collective futures are at stake" because people to this day fail to see that these buildings were willfully and deliberately destroyed by the US goverment in an attack on it's own citizens.

For further reference:

1)The website of the architectural and engineering professionals:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

You will find all the blueprints of the Towers there for a closer examination.

2) Lifting the fog:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/stoplying/video/1776206/Lifting-the-Fog----Steven-Jones

Pay close attention at minute 0:36

3) How the Towers fell

http://stage6.divx.com/user/stoplying/video/1751465/How-The-Towers-Fell-(Blueprint-for-Truth)


Randy

[christophera]

The steel beams were cut using thermite. For a detailed explanation with regard to this subject I suggest you start by reading the following:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm

You claim no one has ever produced an image of a steel core column, yet when you see that exact image in either video of photo, you deny that that is what you are looking at. Also I have not to this day seen any clear image of a steel reinforced cast concrete core. Show me THAT picture and we'll have something to discuss.

Our collective futures are not at stake because we disagree about the nature of the core. Our "collective futures are at stake" because people to this day fail to see that these buildings were willfully and deliberately destroyed by the US goverment in an attack on it's own citizens.

For further reference:

1)The website of the architectural and engineering professionals:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

You will find all the blueprints of the Towers there for a closer examination.

2) Lifting the fog:

http://stage6.divx.com/user/stoplying/video/1776206/Lifting-the-Fog----Steven-Jones

Pay close attention at minute 0:36

3) How the Towers fell

http://stage6.divx.com/user/stoplying/video/1751465/How-The-Towers-Fell-(Blueprint-for-Truth)


Randy

I'm sorry, I find not detailed description of how the supposed thermite was placed on the supposed steel core columns (not beams).

The plans have been faked. Examine the digital manipulation found in the revision tables. Can you identify those characters? Do you know what the term "pixel straight" means? Can "pixel straight" be generated by a scan of a pencil drawing?

http://algoxy.com/psych/planimages/gwtc1rev.tab141.anoma.DBL.gif

See my page on the fake plans (http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11Disinfo_fakeplan.html) for a complete analysis.

You forgot to tell me how many cuts would be required to reduce the supposed steel core columns to the pieces found at ground zero. You have not provided a link to a thermite cut. Maybe you should describe one so I know you know what one looks like.

The below image DOES NOT show a thermite cut. It is a salvage cut. There was tons of thermite used but all that evidence was taken to china.

http://www.rense.com/general70/pic87932.jpg

See a full description of how the salvage cut was made and why it was made as you see above at my page.

http://algoxy.com/psych/whatis9-11disinfo-rense.html

The building were built to demolish. Do you understand? Hello.

[randyt]

Christophera,

I seriously think YOU are the one that doesn't understand. You are apparently obsessed with and fixated on your believes, and when you SEE the beam cut in a rectangular way you STILL fail to grasp what that means.

Not only do you not mention where you get your ridiculous statements from (what links, books, video's ?), you clearly haven't studied any of the references from the experts I mentioned in my last post.

THE EVIDENCE IS IN YOUR FACE.

So to me you sound pretty much like a dis-info agent.

Believe whatever you want to believe. My discussion with you is finished.


Randy

[christophera]

Christophera,

I seriously think YOU are the one that doesn't understand.

I understand that you have not accounted logically for facts. You have not provided a detailed description of how the supposed thermite charges were set. You have not provided a simple number for how many of tose charges would need to be set to make so they would not appear in images, and I've proven they do not.

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/spire_dust-3.jpg

You are apparently obsessed with and fixated on your believes, and when you SEE the beam cut in a rectangular way you STILL fail to grasp what that means.

You are a poster that cannot even use the correct term to describe the structural element which is the subject of discussion. How much credibility should you be assigned givern all the other shortcomings of you communications here? Theare are called COLUMNS not beams.

I know exactly what the means and what it does not mean. It does not mean thermite cut the column. BTW, you have not described what a thermite cut looks like either.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/shearedboxcolumns.gif

Not only do you not mention where you get your ridiculous statements from (what links, books, video's ?),

I am my own expert and I have identified the core correctly whereas you experts have not. I can prove my identification of the core with images, your experts cannot.

This is a steel reinforced concrete shear wall in an end view standing left of the steel interior box columns which forms the spire.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc1spirecorewall.jpg


My source is the disappeared video titled "The Engineering and Constrcution of the Twin towers" which aired in 1990 on PBS. Listen to the .mp3 download where Dr. Ron Larsen Ph.d, (physics, Cornell) describes finding proof of its existence and the 3 intercepts of it. Listen at 17:50 minutes.

http://www.mediafire.com/?dogzudruzem

you clearly haven't studied any of the references from the experts I mentioned in my last post.

Your experts are using information from the perpetrors without question an ignoring evidence. Not good performance and you don't know the differnce between a beam and a column. It is very unlikely that you know an expert.

THE EVIDENCE IS IN YOUR FACE.

I've proven it is misinformation and you have provided nothing to defend its status.

So to me you sound pretty much like a dis-info agent.

You are acting to misinform, which is one method to disinform. I on the other hand am providing verification for my information with raw types of evidence.

Believe whatever you want to believe. My discussion with you is finished.

Randy

No beliefs, they are facts and I possess them then share them with full acccountability. You have not even been accountable to answering simple questions.

[christophera]

randyt is being a very typical "drive by poster" by showing a huge lack of acccountability. The issues I asked for explanations of are critical to his credibility. By not following through with information, he show sthat he is conducting disinformation, or at the very least presenting misinformation with incompetence.

The video he posts this thread about IS NOT A TECHINCIAL production and if it contains a graphic in it at about 3-5 minutes, black and white, oblique view showing core columns IT IS FAKED. I saw the same video about 3 years ago when it first was uploaded and it had no graphic.

The 1990 documentary "The Engineering and Construction of the Twin Towers" mentioned the 1983 production and referred to it as "celebratory" while separating itself from the earlier production.