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lightgiver

05-08-2010, 05:03 PM

by David Icke

Oh hello lad,

Nice of you to come,

To fight for king and country,

You are a hero, son.

Now let's have a look at you,

Just say "ahhh" and cough,

Yes, that's fine,

I'll sign the form,

You're ready for the off.

(In fact he's got a problem,

Something not quite right,

But I have to close my eyes to that,

We have a war to fight.

I have to say that he can go,

Even when there's doubt,

I have to send them down the line,

Get them kitted out.)

So off they go to Normandy,

Verdun or the Somme,

Bits of kids and fathers,

Fodder for a bomb.

And fodder for the generals,

With their master plans,

The educated idiots,

With blood upon their hands.

Wham! bang! wham! bang! bang!

Bloody hell, hit the ground.

Screech! Capow!

Their bodies never found.

Each a grim statistic,

Each a telegram.

Your loved one killed in action.

He was a hero, ma'am.

And by way of compensation we have a pension here for you,

To help you bring the kids up,

To help to see you through.

(We don't tell her it's a pittance,

That she'll never see her husband's grave.

That he's no longer any use to us

When we have the world to save.

And what of the survivors, with broken body,

Broken mind?'

When they come home-from battle,

What justice do they find?

Right, move along now,

I have so much to do,

I have a lot to see today,

Can't spend much time with you.

Now you say you've been acting funny,

Since you came back home from war.

That every time you close your eyes,

You re-live the hell you saw.

You say you seem to cry a lot,

That you've tried to take your life,

You say you're unemployable,

Depend upon your wife.

Well I have to say I'm sorry,

The answer must be no.

We can't pay you compensation,

I can't bend the rules you know.

It's clear you have a problem.

You may even be insane.

But you cannot prove to me,

It was caused at Alamein.

But its no good you complaining,

We all made a sacrifice

You'll try to make the best of it,

If you ask for my advice

It could have been much worse, you know

After all we won.

Like I told you years ago,

You are a hero, son.

primordialman

01-09-2010, 01:14 PM

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

entrangermercenary

05-09-2010, 09:14 AM

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

I think you are talking to a dumb cunt who posted the op !!!!! And another dumb cunt who is typing this !!!!! and many many more dumb cunts who post on this forum !!!!!

So wind your fucking neck in ;)

moondancer

05-09-2010, 11:26 AM

lightgiver

05-09-2010, 02:35 PM

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

and your the biggest wanker of all

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UiPGYUPoqt4/THcUfmUeVyI/AAAAAAAAA3M/UhskdUElK54/s1600/keyhole+3.jpg

have a nice day now :)

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eternal_spirit

05-09-2010, 03:48 PM

lightgiver

05-09-2010, 06:52 PM

Holy Jihad come join us fight for Allah kill and be killed 1400 years of it rinse repeat brainwash rinse repaet alah akbha let the infidels heads roll.
Dar al Islam dar al Harb.

let's attack and invade the Pagan heathen infidels lands and then wonder why they build up an army of resistance to defend against the offesnive Jihad, then we can cry and wonder why they kill us in return as we watch them and us burn, will we ever learn, Allah akbha is the battle cry.

Know your history.

But yeah the light infantry are the cannon fodder and do all the real work

Oh shut up :)

natacha atlas - allah ou akbar - YouTube

natacha atlas - allah ou akbar

Natacha Atlas-Leysh Natarak - YouTube

Leysh Natarak

Yes know your history ES

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The Wall - Pink Floyd - YouTube

http://www.black-iris.com/2006/06/23/pink-floyds-roger-waters-tags-israels-wall/

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/060621/060621_waters_hmed_1p.hmedium.jpg

http://the-red-thread.net/IS-RA-EL.html

primordialman

06-09-2010, 03:58 AM

I think you are talking to a dumb cunt who posted the op !!!!! And another dumb cunt who is typing this !!!!! and many many more dumb cunts who post on this forum !!!!!

So wind your fucking neck in ;) I think you are talking to a dumb cunt who posted the op !!!!! And another dumb cunt who is typing this !!!!! and many many more dumb cunts who post on this forum !!!!!

So wind your fucking neck in ;)

Is that threat!! What can I say make my day punk! Are you planning another murder shouldnt be that hard to find me!! Fuck you too btw!!

and your the biggest wanker of all

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UiPGYUPoqt4/THcUfmUeVyI/AAAAAAAAA3M/UhskdUElK54/s1600/keyhole+3.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UiPGYUPoqt4/THcUfmUeVyI/AAAAAAAAA3M/UhskdUElK54/s1600/keyhole+3.jpg)
Oh & Fuck you too Grand Frater! too bad I am not worthy of ickes Rosy cross mission!. Serves you right for making assumptions!.

Btw after all that it seems this fora is starting show its true colors conservative and pro existing power structure yu betcha!.

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 03:10 PM

Is that threat!! What can I say make my day punk! Are you planning another murder shouldnt be that hard to find me!! Fuck you too btw!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UiPGYUPoqt4/THcUfmUeVyI/AAAAAAAAA3M/UhskdUElK54/s1600/keyhole+3.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UiPGYUPoqt4/THcUfmUeVyI/AAAAAAAAA3M/UhskdUElK54/s1600/keyhole+3.jpg)
Oh & Fuck you too Grand Frater! too bad I am not worthy of ickes Rosy cross mission!. Serves you right for making assumptions!.

Btw after all that it seems this fora is starting show its true colors conservative and pro existing power structure yu betcha!.

another prick who can give it but cannot take it

what an ass wipe

come on lets see who you are big boy and goodness knows what you are waffling on about

GTF

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

Maybe if those cunts had not defended you and your ilk from the Nazi bankers you may not be using your little pea brain today

unlockthepower

06-09-2010, 03:28 PM

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 03:53 PM

If you choose to become an expendable soldier, a pawn in their game, a number to be used and abused and spit out by the millitary machine then how can you look for sympathy from those that don't choose to give their mind and body to the army?
It's quite simple; if you don't like death, destruction, murder, mutilation, blood and guts, terror, fear e.t.c then don't sign up for it, get brainwashed and follow thier orders to your grave, or to come home without your legs, or arms, or eyes, or phycologically scarred and disturbed for the rest of your life. This is war. War is not honour, a uniform and medals. Comming home to a hero's welcome by defending "Your Country", learning a trade or getting qualifications. The military is about murder and destruction for the biggest most powerfull gangs on the planet.
Don't sign up to become a professional government killer and then complain when they send you out to a warzone and put your head in the line of fire. This is what you signed up for. No sympathy from me.

what :confused: another simplistic view

you think the people of WW1 and 2 knew about the lies deceit going on

I served in the 1st gulf war do you think if I knew about the lies that I would have served

NO I would not have,in fact I don't even want to live in the same country I served since I have found out of the evil that is going on,

and the reason people like you and me have found out is through the kindness of people who expose it.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117842&page=6

click on link and give yourselves a history lesson.

Britons migrated westwards during the Anglo-Saxon invasion

Britons (historical) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Albion (Greek: Ἀλβιών) is the oldest known name of the island of Great Britain.

It is also the basis of the Scottish Gaelic name for Scotland, Alba.

The derivation of the name Albion is discussed by Eilert Ekwall in an article called "Early names of Britain" in Antiquity 1930.

Gallo-Latin Albiōn (cf. Middle Irish Albbu) derives from the Proto-Celtic * Alb-i̯en-, sharing the same stem as Welsh elfydd "earth, world", together with other toponyms such as Alpes. The Latin word alba is the feminine singular form of the adjective albus, meaning 'white'. French aube, Spanish and Italian alba.

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 04:11 PM

unlockthepower

06-09-2010, 04:25 PM

what :confused: another simplistic view

you think the people of WW1 and 2 knew about the lies deceit going on

I served in the 1st gulf war do you think if I knew about the lies that I would have served

NO I would not have,in fact I don't even want to live in the same country I served since I have found out of the evil that is going on,

No they did not know and they were conscripted and forced to go anyway.
But now we do know and there is no excuse. The information is there for anyone to find out now and if your going to sign your life away to the military then you should look into the details of it first and know what you are doing.
Wether you know about the corruption and true reasons for the wars or not you still know that it is about death and destruction and that you will be required to kill or be killed wether directly or indirectly.

Im glad you now know and wouldn't of served if you did. That's progress :)

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 05:54 PM

No they did not know and they were conscripted and forced to go anyway.
But now we do know and there is no excuse. The information is there for anyone to find out now and if your going to sign your life away to the military then you should look into the details of it first and know what you are doing.
Wether you know about the corruption and true reasons for the wars or not you still know that it is about death and destruction and that you will be required to kill or be killed wether directly or indirectly.

Im glad you now know and wouldn't of served if you did. That's progress :)

You say there is no excuse

what if those serving do not believe like the majority of the worlds population

that is the power of brainwashing

to condemn at the drop of a hat is just plain wrong and calling people cunts is bang out of order.

It appears you who condemn are short sighted

what was your excuse before you found out what is going on

like I stated before those of you confronted with evil would most likely run away crying and expect others to carry out the dirty work just like the elites who screw you over.

You see people like ES on here condemning Muslims but I do not see his kind out there fighting the Extremists

and he places everyone in the same boat knowing very well that his behaviour is of the extreme kind also.

Yes all you pass the judgments but run a mile when the fighting starts.

what exactly are people doing to bring the bankers down, one of the major roots of the mess

Absolute ZERO naff all

just a bunch of talking heads

that will achieve nothing

actions speak louder than words

I wonder how many on here with their big mouths would join an army to bring those crooks down.................not many

UK military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358

Now go and tell those families to their faces of those who have served and died that they are cunts

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "

eternal_spirit

06-09-2010, 07:25 PM

I would like to see some on here confronted with a Taliban insurgency in Britain (Albion)

you would run off more than likely crying for your mothers :D especially ES

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "

You say there is no excuse

what if those serving do not believe like the majority of the worlds population

that is the power of brainwashing

to condemn at the drop of a hat is just plain wrong and calling people cunts is bang out of order.

It appears you who condemn are short sighted

what was your excuse before you found out what is going on

like I stated before those of you confronted with evil would most likely run away crying and expect others to carry out the dirty work just like the elites who screw you over.

You see people like ES on here condemning Muslims but I do not see his kind out there fighting the Extremists

and he places everyone in the same boat knowing very well that his behaviour is of the extreme kind also.

Yes all you pass the judgments but run a mile when the fighting starts.

what exactly are people doing to bring the bankers down, one of the major roots of the mess

Absolute ZERO naff all

just a bunch of talking heads

that will achieve nothing

actions speak louder than words

I wonder how many on here with their big mouths would join an army to bring those crooks down.................not many

I'm ES, who pissed in your beer lastnight and then pissed in your coffee or shat in your cornflakes this morning wasn't me buster,

The EDL will sort out the racist Muslim thugs and their street Jihad in our lands.

You're ignorant of what goes on here. I tell it like it is, alert the people to what goes on.

Nazi bankers LOL, JEWISH BANKING CABALS ignoramous.

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 07:31 PM

I'm ES, who pissed in your beer lastnight and then pissed in your coffee or shat in your cornflakes this morning wasn't me buster,

The EDL will sort out the racist Muslim thugs and their street Jihad in our lands.

You're ignorant of what goes on here. I tell it like it is, alert the people to what goes on.

Nazi bankers LOL, JEWISH BANKING CABALS ignoramous.

Who the eck are the EDL :D bunch of mummy's boys :eek:

BNP EDL applicants need to be of a certain criteria if you fit the bill below........you are in

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Rhesus_Macaque_%28Macaca_mulatta%29_in_Kinnarsani_ WS%2C_AP_W_IMG_5792.jpg/800px-Rhesus_Macaque_%28Macaca_mulatta%29_in_Kinnarsani_ WS%2C_AP_W_IMG_5792.jpg

Notice the comparison

http://www.nothingbritish.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/English-Defence-League-thug.jpgnever served in the forces either

They have a reputation as aggressive urban pests. Their penchant for thievery and aggression can make them somewhat dangerous, particularly to small children,

and watch lots of sports especially football down the pub

Rhesus macaque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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eternal_spirit

06-09-2010, 07:39 PM

Who the eck are the EDL :D bunch of mummy's boys :eek:

BNP EDL applicants need to be of a certain criteria if you fit the bill below........you are in

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/19/Rhesus_Macaque_%28Macaca_mulatta%29_in_Kinnarsani_ WS%2C_AP_W_IMG_5792.jpg/800px-Rhesus_Macaque_%28Macaca_mulatta%29_in_Kinnarsani_ WS%2C_AP_W_IMG_5792.jpg
Notice the comparison

http://www.nothingbritish.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/English-Defence-League-thug.jpgnever served in the forces either

They have a reputation as aggressive urban pests. Their penchant for thievery and aggression can make them somewhat dangerous, particularly to small children,

and watch lots of sports especially football down the pub

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhesus_Macaque
Well the Muslim Jihadist have gone rather quiet these days on our streets, must have ran out of pants and nightys to wear turned them all brown.

EDL could be a good brand name for a laxative, you could use some yourself.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuost8gulzP2trd7ZGfWNg2epfycZZZ BDhTXKirjgc6aU3Bko&t=1&usg=__VPFLCj6n5SIhAaSwbMPHAMIGZ_g=

Beardless boys our off the English Menu, try the Hallal crew.

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 07:44 PM

Well the Muslim Jihadist have gone rather quiet these days on our streets, must have ran out of pants and nightys to wear turned them all brown.

EDL could be a good brand name for a laxative, you could use some yourself.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuost8gulzP2trd7ZGfWNg2epfycZZZ BDhTXKirjgc6aU3Bko&t=1&usg=__VPFLCj6n5SIhAaSwbMPHAMIGZ_g=

Beardless boys our off the English Menu, try the Hallal crew.

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Rothschild family - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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ragnarok

06-09-2010, 07:50 PM

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "

Yes, armies are only established so that we can all get a decent kip before the next days labour! :rolleyes:

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 07:55 PM

Yes, armies are only established so that we can all get a decent kip before the next days labour! :rolleyes:

So whos fault is that then

:)

eternal_spirit

06-09-2010, 07:58 PM

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 08:05 PM

Clicky for you LG.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1059207372&postcount=73

English Defence League - Jewish Division

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs310.ash1/23314_134581403247431_7355_n.jpg (http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/hs310.ash1/23314_134581403247431_7355_n.jpg)

They aint Jewish pal

http://a.imageshack.us/img707/597/artzotecvajrayoginim512.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/artzotecvajrayoginim512.jpg/)

http://www.vajra-yogini.org/practice/faqs/37-double-tetrahedron.html

and those dreadlocks on that fella from the pic you posted look stuck on if you ask me

and TBH the link you provided looks like some type of thug thread with thuggy fat white men sat on their fat boozed up arses

Chelsea loyal

LOL is that some type of sick humour

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuost8gulzP2trd7ZGfWNg2epfycZZZ BDhTXKirjgc6aU3Bko&t=1&usg=__VPFLCj6n5SIhAaSwbMPHAMIGZ_g=

Beardless boys our off the English Menu, try the Hallal crew.

Wrong I am a whitey but tan well in summer,that's when the sun comes out.

Let's see your face? Everyone's seen mine. The only pic you ever posted you had sun glasses on, coward. :p Always hiding in the shadows eh? that little green light permanently off, but you're online alot.

Friend of mine

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1990 1991

Guns N Roses Paradise City - YouTube

Paradise city LOL

unlockthepower

06-09-2010, 09:11 PM

You say there is no excuse

what if those serving do not believe like the majority of the worlds population

that is the power of brainwashing

That's why i said if you are putting your life on the line you should find out before you do. If you are going to kill and probably die or be injured for your trouble you should take the time to educate yourself on the situation first.
I said there is no excuse because now we have the internet the information is very quick and easy to find for anyone that can be bothered to look.

to condemn at the drop of a hat is just plain wrong and calling people cunts is bang out of order.

Never did i call anyone in this thread a cunt.

It appears you who condemn are short sighted

Yes i am i have a prescription for it but i only use glasses for driving.

what was your excuse before you found out what is going on

I wouldn't call it an excuse but i was a child and there was no internet.
But i still always did what i could to find out more in books and tapes e.t.c
But i was not signing up to fight and die so it was not as important for me
to know these things as it is for someone that is going to put there life on the line.
You must be able to appreciate the point im making that if you are going to DIE for something and KILL others in the process you have a responsibility to yourself to know what you are killing and risking your life for.

like I stated before those of you confronted with evil would most likely run away crying and expect others to carry out the dirty work just like the elites who screw you over.

Not true.

You see people like ES on here condemning Muslims but I do not see his kind out there fighting the Extremists

and he places everyone in the same boat knowing very well that his behaviour is of the extreme kind also.

Yes all you pass the judgments but run a mile when the fighting starts

what exactly are people doing to bring the bankers down, one of the major roots of the mess

Absolute ZERO naff all

just a bunch of talking heads

that will achieve nothing

actions speak louder than words

I wonder how many on here with their big mouths would join an army to bring those crooks down.................not many

I agree not many would.

UK military deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358

Now go and tell those families to their faces of those who have served and died that they are cunts

" We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. "

This statement implies that you are still beliving the illusion.

lightgiver

06-09-2010, 09:24 PM

This statement implies that you are still beliving the illusion.

Its very real :)

hadaka_jimmy

21-09-2010, 08:33 AM

primordialman

28-09-2010, 07:09 AM

Maybe if those cunts had not defended you and your ilk from the Nazi bankers you may not be using your little pea brain today

No if they had won 40-50 something hippies like you wouldnt be spreading your eastern psuedo OTO hippie mystercism.
I love your up the ass hindi avatar.
And frankly i dont need military training to fight western military wankers i despise the cunts.
I would be more than happy to beat their brains in or shoot them if i needed to i dont respect them nor the job they do.

In future they may find the only war they fighting in the western nations are civil wars against their citizenry i will more than happy to pop some wanker in khaki uniform serving or retired makes little difference. As they represent a military/industrial complex I dont give consent to nor respect.

dreamscope

29-09-2010, 01:02 AM

I would be more than happy to beat their brains in or shoot them if i needed to i dont respect them nor the job they do.

Do you get off on beating people up and shooting people, or are you just mouthing off cos you're sitting safely where nobody can hurt you?

In future they may find the only war they fighting in the western nations are civil wars against their citizenry

What a load of paranoid bullshit.

i will more than happy to pop some wanker in khaki uniform serving or retired makes little difference. As they represent a military/industrial complex I dont give consent to nor respect.

So you bang on about soldiers being simple killers who gladly kill in the name of a global agenda, yet here you are talking about murdering people who, in your fantasy scenario, wouldn't even be raising arms against you. Go see a doctor, you sick fucker.

How's your armchair? Nice and comfy?

primordialman

29-09-2010, 09:33 AM

Do you get off on beating people up and shooting people, or are you just mouthing off cos you're sitting safely where nobody can hurt you?

Both, in such a fora I must get my kicks somehow!
I would hope i would be able to carry out at least some of my threats on fat white turds whom desperately deserve it, usually the middle class anglo masonic types that work in civil services and think ordinary civilians whom have never been civil servants somehow owe their fat masonic asses not only a living but also some kind of fucking salute! Frankly fuck them and fuck you!:D

How's your armchair? Nice and comfy?

Very comfy thanks how yours?:cool:

entrangermercenary

29-09-2010, 10:46 PM

No if they had won 40-50 something hippies like you wouldnt be spreading your eastern psuedo OTO hippie mystercism.
I love your up the ass hindi avatar.
And frankly i dont need military training to fight western military wankers i despise the cunts.
I would be more than happy to beat their brains in or shoot them if i needed to i dont respect them nor the job they do.

In future they may find the only war they fighting in the western nations are civil wars against their citizenry i will more than happy to pop some wanker in khaki uniform serving or retired makes little difference. As they represent a military/industrial complex I dont give consent to nor respect.

Oh welcome back...missed ya :)...is that it :confused:...no waterboarding :cool:

dreamscope

29-09-2010, 11:01 PM

Frankly fuck them and fuck you!:D

Oh no...he said 'fuck you'....how can I resist this persuasive charm and intelligence :confused:

Frankly, if your goal is to beat up or murder anyone who used to wear khaki, then you can count myself and a lot of my friends and family in your list.

Put me at the front of your queue when the time comes. Or even better, come and carry out your threat now, save yourself the effort in the future. I'll have you screaming your apologies before you've even laid a finger on anyone, you miserable, fucked up, pathetic excuse for a human being.

primordialman

10-10-2010, 06:56 AM

Oh no...he said 'fuck you'....how can I resist this persuasive charm and intelligence

Infotainment fora arent known for intelligence!
One reason why conservative turds like you are posting here no doubt!

Put me at the front of your queue when the time comes. Or even better, come and carry out your threat now, save yourself the effort in the future. I'll have you screaming your apologies before you've even laid a finger on anyone, you miserable, fucked up, pathetic excuse for a human being.
Given the state of northern englands racial & religious mix you wont have so far to travel to realise your wish!
Poms and aussie troops seem to share one thing in common both seem really good a dying frankly they are losers that cant fight for shit!
So much so that the media here needs to keep reminding modest old civilians that another one of their dopey number has just kicked a land mine or whatever well ah .. last time i looked they are fighting a war &suppose to face death.duh! surely this is not front page news according to news ltd etc it is well duh another slow news days i presume!.

If it wasnt for the US (no thanks to britian) Australia would have been part of japans asia co prosperity sphere by now and britian simply would have been occupied by the Nazis.
Face facts commonwealth nations cant fight for shit they are weak and good at dying they should be, they,ve had plenty of oppertunities to fight in pointless wars for God, King & Country!

Cheerio old chap and remeber to give your best sargents salute to those allah akbar chanting pakis down the street before they slit your throat in the heart of your united kingdom!:cool:

exmicrochipmafia

10-10-2010, 12:56 PM

+10

Same as the armchair activists who bang on about Anarchy. They'd be the first ones to fall by the wayside without the Police they hate so much to run to. :rolleyes:

Very nice post. It's easy to sit behind a computer from a comfy chair and condemn men and women who choose to serve, but if the SHTF then they come running to 'Daddy' screaming at the top of their lungs, 'Oh save us, oh please somebody save us!! Where's the army??? Where's the police???'

primordialman

10-10-2010, 11:41 PM

Same as the armchair activists who bang on about Anarchy. They'd be the first ones to fall by the wayside without the Police they hate so much to run to. :rolleyes:

Very nice post. It's easy to sit behind a computer from a comfy chair and condemn men and women who choose to serve, but if the SHTF then they come running to 'Daddy' screaming at the top of their lungs, 'Oh save us, oh please somebody save us!! Where's the army??? Where's the police???'

Your both badly mistaken then and completely naive about the obvious. Last time i looked their were thousands of Muslims other asian races and religions inhabiting the big and not so big cities of western nations yet interestingly the great protective civil services of the Police force and military,Intelligence agencies have been completey hamstrung and powerless to deal with issue one because their nations they are(not off invading foreign lands which dont concern them) suppose to be protecting have already been swamped by thousands of different racial and religious groups with civil rights galore awarded to them and two the civil services are given their directives by politically correct governments and three because the entire organisations are infiltrated and run by FREEMASONRY which explains an awful amount to yours truly.

I wouldnt rely on our great civil services (as if)to tie my shoe laces theyd be more interested in making Muhammad or Sanjay become officers at duntroon or sanhurst then lick their dark asses while they plan their defection to the invading force whether that happens to be Muslim fundie or Chinese communist or Indian Nationalist which ofcuase they are already in the process of doing right now!.
Yet continue to show your unwaivering loyalty old chaps like good mason lap dogs I am sure youll receive all the left over vindaloos and kebabs from your Mason masters and muslim and curry masters! The british to do not reward loyalty and never have just like churchill whom abandoned Australia in its greatest hour of need!.:rolleyes:

zsymon

11-10-2010, 01:49 AM

I feel incredibly sorry for american soldiers who deep in their heart have no
intention to cause any harm. They come home scarred for life, their soul
changed forever.. and their body and mind in shambles.

They need our healing and compassion as much as their victims.

zsymon

11-10-2010, 01:52 AM

primordialman

11-10-2010, 05:25 AM

Many soldiers go into the army because there are no other jobs, the
government made sure of that. They have no intention to harm any
one, but when they end up killing another human being, they're then
scarred for life. They deserve our compassion and our sympathy as
much as anyone else deserves it.

Not sure about that! As you may or may not be aware their many software based war games out there for pc and games console format that teens from many military families play do you realise many militaries actually endorse wars games because they are good training simulation tools for combat and training e.g "Call of Duty" Activision is one such game its a shooter game for computer multi mode encourages shoot em ups and blood letting in real time.
The military certainly seem to have realised the value of these games in training young recruits mentally and physically in terms of reflexes e.g hand,eye co ordination for combat in reality!
So to say these tropps dont go in their with aggro and intend not harm any is a gross generalisation to say the least if you ask me!
Anyway despite all this the real war is much closer to home within the very boundaries of western nations they have allowed certain immigrant & religious groups into them in the name of diversity/pluralism now they are stuck with traitors which will never truly support the values of their adopted nations. Not only that they are starting piss off the once loyal european populations of western nations an example is myself so that in the long white people will also be the terrorists not just muslim fundies, this the real meaning of the war on terror ofcause anyone that doesnt support the illuminist NWO, its not about skin colour or religion to the status quo is about conformity to globlist values of one worldism and melting pot stupdity!.

Its simply absurd to send troops overseas when their are terrorists much closer to home in first world western nations which in my case happens to be Australia and there are more than enough dubious ethnic groups whos loyalty to their country of adoption is very questionable indeed we have the making of a fifth column indeed at least in australia and i believe many other western nations!.
Also not simply muslims we have thousands of chinese the nation we are most likely to go to a large scale war with even further irony they are also Australias biggest trading partner infact we supplying their arms and nuclear energy industry also!
So the absudity of this war in afganistan is completey lost on me i will never understand it!.

spolier

11-10-2010, 10:18 AM

zsymon

11-10-2010, 06:01 PM

No intention to harm anyone? are you joking? what about the basic 6 months training, when they are brainwashed to kill without emotion everyday? thats what the amy does, it trains men to kill.

Yes it trains them to kill, but that doesn't mean that those soldiers WANT
to kill.. it just means they have no choice because being soldier is the only
job there is.

Many soldiers when confronted with the enemy, will shoot over the heads
of their targets on purpose, because they don't want to harm anyone. This
also happened in great frequency during WWI and WWII, as well as in every
other war.

Try and look past your prejudice about soldiers my friend, they are not all
murderers, some of them would rather die than kill another human being,
and when they do end up killing, they become wrecks for the rest of their
life, or end up suiciding.

primordialman

11-10-2010, 11:08 PM

Try and look past your prejudice about soldiers my friend, they are not all
murderers, some of them would rather die than kill another human being,
and when they do end up killing, they become wrecks for the rest of their
life, or end up suiciding.

Try and look past your tribalism, many in this fora claim they are enlightened and open minded &tolerant and have thus put national borders and racial loyalty behind them, yet they cant even seem to get past the petty Nationalist style tribalism of supporting their nations military no matter what!
They remind me of hooligan sports fans baying for blood of any that dont barrack for their team its mob mentality stupidity pure & simple and some cant even see past it just like you!. Some will never be true individiuals and never be able to think for themselves they are group think ignormouses!.

kennystetson

12-10-2010, 12:12 AM

Yes it trains them to kill, but that doesn't mean that those soldiers WANT
to kill.. it just means they have no choice because being soldier is the only
job there is.

Many soldiers when confronted with the enemy, will shoot over the heads
of their targets on purpose, because they don't want to harm anyone. This
also happened in great frequency during WWI and WWII, as well as in every
other war.

Try and look past your prejudice about soldiers my friend, they are not all
murderers, some of them would rather die than kill another human being,
and when they do end up killing, they become wrecks for the rest of their
life, or end up suiciding.

Yes I agree with you deep down zsymon, that they can not be blamed for their ignorance. Though I find it very hard to accept that inside to my own fault. for some reason I have a lot of anger for soldiers, although I feel as if I shouldn't. See, I don't agree that they have no choice (at least for european countries and the US), people they use as soldiers are easy targets, they target people that aren't very good at thinking for themselves and that aren't that well off financially.
I guess because to me it is all so crystal clear, how wrong war is and I just don't understand how someone can CHOOSE to get payed to pick a weapon up and shoot his own brothers (or enemy depending on how you see it). And I say this with full awareness of the extremely intensive brainwashing that goes on within the army. I have been in countless arguments with very good friends about this subject and it brings me a lot of pain to see the amount of people that just don't get the big picture.

See I think it is wrong to "support" our troops the way we do. We should support them by breaking down their ignorance, trying to get them to realize on their own how awfully wrong it is for them to take on the responsibility of taking lives. Every week in the newspapers there are supposedly "supportive" "anti war" headlines in the newspapers. The newspapers spend a lot of time bitching about how little support the governments give to their soldiers and yet on the other hand the same newspapers try to push the belief that by getting governments to spend more money on better equipment that are even better at killing people, that this is the support our troops need. And what makes me angrier above all is that in most countries I go to people are sad that their troops are dying, they don't want to send their soldiers to war because they don't want THEIR soldiers/people to die. And that makes me sad because what I see is pure real human feelings applied in a completely un-natural way. It is not normal for us to only grieve for OUR troops, or you're own group of people, when I see war I cry for everyone, I don't care who's a worse asshole than the other, and to me I can't understand how a human being can just cut off those natural emotions they have for people and restrict it to what they call "their own people/troops".

I believe until we can wake up to that fact, wars will exist. I find it hard to forgive them, yet I know they are not to blame.
I see us all as baby's who have had their parents kidnapped and left to deal with step parents that are doing a really shitty job at trying to mold us in to the image they want us to grow up as, because they refuse to understand that it is impossible to change the nature of these babies. We may be ignorant, but then that means we are as INNOCENT just as babies are and that is why deep down I can forgive these soldiers that destroy other lives as well as their own when they have to deal with the trauma they have ignorantly inflicted on themselves. I do feel sorry for them and it makes me sad when I can't get someone to understand this, it seems so obvious to me.

zsymon

12-10-2010, 01:50 AM

Try and look past your tribalism, many in this fora claim they are enlightened and open minded &tolerant and have thus put national borders and racial loyalty behind them, yet they cant even seem to get past the petty Nationalist style tribalism of supporting their nations military no matter what!
They remind me of hooligan sports fans baying for blood of any that dont barrack for their team its mob mentality stupidity pure & simple and some cant even see past it just like you!. Some will never be true individiuals and never be able to think for themselves they are group think ignormouses!.

You assume many things about me, and they are all wrong. I do not support
war, I am not even an american, I live in Belgium as you can see below my
avatar, and Belgian military does not do combat.

I am not a patriot in any way, in fact I could care less about my country, it
is one big mess of political conflict and overcomplicated regulations. We have
not had a government in almost five months now, because they just can't
get along with eachother.

Calm down a little, and stop assuming things, all I said was that many soldiers
have no intention to cause harm, they will do what they can to prevent from
causing harm, and if they are forced to kill another being, they are very often
completely devastated by it. There are many kind boys and girls who only join
the military because it is the only job available in their area, so they can
choose between living on the street, starving and freezing, or joining the
army.

primordialman

12-10-2010, 08:43 AM

You assume many things about me, and they are all wrong. I do not support
war, I am not even an american, I live in Belgium as you can see below my
avatar, and Belgian military does not do combat

WHERE did I make this alleged comment that you are american?? Maybe you should quote and highlight it in your next post as I havent clue where you got that idea from!.

Calm down a little, and stop assuming things, all I said was that many soldiers

Oh dont worry about me i am quite calm and YOU!.

have no intention to cause harm, they will do what they can to prevent from
causing harm, and if they are forced to kill another being, they are very often
completely devastated by it. There are many kind boys and girls who only join
the military because it is the only job available in their area, so they can
choose between living on the street, starving and freezing, or joining the
army.

I insist you are naive or completely foolish if you believe all that!
You foolishly seem to believe youself to be enlightened clearly however this is simply NOT the case you seem to be just another Nationalist or rightwinger apologist for Nationalist tribalism such is nothing new on icke.com is certainly not a leftwing fora despite some of the superficial new agey hippie website design & peace& mungbeans sentiments of David and his hardcore oto/roscrucian fan base!.
So in words of the great Jello Biafra i say "Nazi punks Fuckoff" thankyou for your time!.

kennystetson

12-10-2010, 10:44 AM

you seem to be just another Nationalist or rightwinger apologist for Nationalist tribalism such is nothing new on icke.com is certainly not a leftwing fora despite some of the superficial new agey hippie website design & peace& mungbeans sentiments of David and his hardcore oto/roscrucian fan base!.
So in words of the great Jello Biafra i say "Nazi punks Fuckoff" thankyou for your time!.
:eek: wow i had to read that over a few times to get the whole context. slight over reaction there...

zsymon

12-10-2010, 05:09 PM

Oh dont worry about me i am quite calm and YOU!.

You don't sound very calm to me, Primordialman..

You seem to take great offense to my claim that many soldiers have no
intention to cause harm. Why do you have so much hatred for these boys
and girls that join the military because there are no other jobs?

Sure some soldiers are murderers, but many of them are not.

Doesn't the fact that many soldiers shoot into the air and miss on purpose
when they are confronted with enemy soldiers, prove my claim?

primordialman

13-10-2010, 09:41 AM

You seem to take great offense to my claim that many soldiers have no
intention to cause harm. Why do you have so much hatred for these boys
and girls that join the military because there are no other jobs?
Boys?, Girls? you say, these are suppose to be men and women in the armed forces atleast in Australia one has to be 18 to join the armed forces so if its younger in belgium you,d be making a generalisation that all militaries are the same!. I would imagine in most commowealth nations the age to join is at least 18 as that is adulthood here!.

You seem to be making further assumptions that all armed forces are the same when you state these troops join because they cant get any other kind of job!. Do you realise the Australian army(ADF) is an is an extremely selective organisation here not just the SAS but also the ordinary regular army& army reserve they only choose certain candidates to join the regular army not just anyone for example ex convicts or unemployed would certainly never make the grade neither do many with disabilities also many otherwise ordinary people with average to above average intelligence have also been knocked back I ve been knocked back form joining the army reserve here atleast three times & theres nothing wrong with my intelligence or acheivment level i have a university degree plus many other vocational qualifications so seems the army in australia is very elitist compared to the army in belgium if they simply accept those that cant find jobs anywhere else.

As for myself i certainly wont ever bother volunteering to join again they are complete ingrates and if they called me for military services i think would tell ADF shove their rifles where the sun dont shine!.There is certainly no drive here for the army to conscript umemployed people or those supposedly too useless to get skilled jobs and there never has been in Australia however i believe there is in many other nations!

So you need to stop making presumptions and keep these facts in mind that all armed forces are different and not make such sweeping generalisations before you comment on militaries in other nations the ADF would be nothing like Belgiums Military going by what you are telling me!.

lightgiver

13-10-2010, 06:44 PM

Dropping like flys out there,what a shame they are dying for the bankers and co

Four Italians killed in Afghanistan

Six NATO soldiers killed in Afghanistan

didnt hear much about it on the MSM networks? they don't report half it to much shopping and sport to broadcast

Poor and bloody indeed

British dead and wounded in Afghanistan, month by month

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2009/sep/17/afghanistan-casualties-dead-wounded-british-data

http://taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2010/10/10/2003485023

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20101013/tap-afghanistan-unrest-nato-toll-2a5be5e.html

entrangermercenary

13-10-2010, 06:56 PM

Boys?, Girls? you say, these are suppose to be men and women in the armed forces atleast in Australia one has to be 18 to join the armed forces so if its younger in belgium you,d be making a generalisation that all militaries are the same!. I would imagine in most commowealth nations the age to join is at least 18 as that is adulthood here!.

You seem to be making further assumptions that all armed forces are the same when you state these troops join because they cant get any other kind of job!. Do you realise the Australian army(ADF) is an is an extremely selective organisation here not just the SAS but also the ordinary regular army& army reserve they only choose certain candidates to join the regular army not just anyone for example ex convicts or unemployed would certainly never make the grade neither do many with disabilities also many otherwise ordinary people with average to above average intelligence have also been knocked back I ve been knocked back form joining the army reserve here atleast three times & theres nothing wrong with my intelligence or acheivment level i have a university degree plus many other vocational qualifications so seems the army in australia is very elitist compared to the army in belgium if they simply accept those that cant find jobs anywhere else.

As for myself i certainly wont ever bother volunteering to join again they are complete ingrates and if they called me for military services i think would tell ADF shove their rifles where the sun dont shine!.There is certainly no drive here for the army to conscript umemployed people or those supposedly too useless to get skilled jobs and there never has been in Australia however i believe there is in many other nations!

So you need to stop making presumptions and keep these facts in mind that all armed forces are different and not make such sweeping generalisations before you comment on militaries in other nations the ADF would be nothing like Belgiums Military going by what you are telling me!.

So basically all this bile is because you got a nock back....cdnt even get into the army ffs :rolleyes:

primordialman

14-10-2010, 01:12 AM

Poor and bloody indeed

Poor bloody afghan civilians and iraqi civilians for that matter! But i guess to fat rich white people these peoples lives are worthless!.

So basically all this bile is because you got a nock back....cdnt even get into the army ffs

NO go back and read my concerns in this thread and if you have any ounce of comprehension you will understand, beyond that i cant help you!

In case you think the Australian army only has intelligent recruits in its ranks youd be mistaken the ADF much like the British army is just a Masonic boys club or lap dogs of mason officers!.

zsymon

14-10-2010, 01:36 AM

We never said all soldiers are kind people, I said some of them are, who
when they do end up killing someone, are devastated for life. Whoever
has to endure war deserves our compassion, be it soldiers of civilians.

Even the murderers among the soldiers can be maimed for life, blinded and
crippled, blown off legs and arms.. doesn't that deserve our compassion?

I don't discriminate with compassion.. If I would see Hitler or Stalin or Bush
or the Pope in horrible pain, I would still feel compassion.

primordialman

14-10-2010, 05:01 AM

Even the murderers among the soldiers can be maimed for life, blinded and
crippled, blown off legs and arms.. doesn't that deserve our compassion?

No, cannnot agree, when they are well educated and their families have all the society status connections in the world and they still join, its not they should know far better they are suppose to have the brains to!.
Like I said in my previous post military families in are Australia are elitist & hold a priviledged position in society, like the Police they are suppose to be pillars of the community yet many carry on like war criminals and thugs!

This is why my personal philosophy is a form of anarchism i despise the state and civil authorities they attract too much corruption!.

zsymon

14-10-2010, 05:10 AM

primordialman

14-10-2010, 12:04 PM

Primordialman, the only real compassion, is unconditional compassion.

This means to show compassion for all those who suffer, without letting your
prejudice, hatred and frustration get in the way. If people would show true
compassion like this, then the world wouldn't be the way it is now

Well i doubt either the army or the police force in my nation would show me any compassion for anything so theres no chance of any compassion coming from me for the intimidiation, violence, bloodletting and other boof headed behaviour involved in these occupations.

and you
would have no reason to hate our civilization, because it would be paradise.

Changing the world, starts with changing yourself.. if you want to live in a
world that is just, loving and compassionate, then you have to be just, loving
and compassionate yourself.. unconditionally.
Our western civilisation poster is already in decline its called deevolution its been in decline for sometime most likely since the deindustrialisation of the wests manufacturing sector in the 1970s-80s west has been indecline and becoming nothing but service based economies which requires high immigration levels and out sourced manufacturing.
As there are clearly not enough jobs in Info tech or hospitality or the impossiblity of everyone being self employed etc ..well clearly their will never be full employment again in any western nation,yet at the same time the worlds population is increasing and third world immigation is increasing & never ending into western nations that includes refugees due to stupid wars like afghanistan & people the world over wont stop breeding, so somewhere sometime soon civilisation is going to breakdown completely.

On the social side of things with the Secret societies infiltrating every decent institution and sending it to ruin e.g by compromisng their integrity and moral standards their is not hope for our civilisation.Western civilisation would have to be completely destroyed so that we could start again from year zero, this time with secret societies outlawed and their memberships out lawed zero tolerance for Freemasonry and other Occult organsations to prevent them fucking everything up for a second time would be the only safe way to go!.
Its pretty safe to say the world I want to see is VERY far removed from your Age of Aquarious, so you made one big presumption there considering it has been you that has been accusing me of presumptions for the last few posts. Face it I am nothing like you!.

zsymon

14-10-2010, 03:34 PM

Primordialman, just because someone doesn't show you compassion, doesn't
mean you shouldn't show him compassion. That is what I mean with true and
unconditional compassion.. to give compassion without placing conditions on
it.

If you only show compassion for those that would show you compassion, then
you are placing conditions on your compassion.

The world cannot become a better place if people keep placing conditions on
their love and on their compassion. Like I said, if you want to live in a better
world, then you have to start with yourself.. hatred never solved anything.

The world you hate was built on hatred, so the only way to improve it is to
take away the hatred, and that starts with yourself.

Please tell me, what would be your ideal world, if there is no unconditional
compassion in your ideal world, then how do you want it to be like? If a world
lacks unconditional love and compassion, then it turns into the way it is now,
and if you don't like the way it is now, then how do you suppose we change
it, if not through love?

yin_yang

14-10-2010, 05:05 PM

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

Not so eloquently put, but, I agree.

primordialman

15-10-2010, 04:22 AM

Please tell me, what would be your ideal world, if there is no unconditional
compassion in your ideal world, then how do you want it to be like? If a world
lacks unconditional love and compassion, then it turns into the way it is now,
and if you don't like the way it is now, then how do you suppose we change
it, if not through love?

like i said

Its pretty safe to say the world I want to see is VERY far removed from your Age of Aquarious, so you made one big presumption there considering it has been you that has been accusing me of presumptions for the last few posts. Face it I am nothing like you!. :rolleyes:

I have nothing further to add!.

entrangermercenary

15-10-2010, 07:37 PM

If the stupid fuckers like it let them have it! The dumb cunts joined the army didnt they!.
If the wankers die thats one less wanker for the world all good!.

Yes but like YOU said you tried to join pmsl

What a fucking retard

Because you cdnt join the elite you wanted to join ...YOU have gone all pete tong about it:rolleyes:

Take it like a man...you were not up to spec..and that is saying something :eek: :D

Now fuck off and try the Salvation Army...but dont hold your breath as they have standards as well !!!!!

byebye :D

col kilgore

15-10-2010, 09:39 PM

Everyone likes to pick on the soldier because he is, ironically , in the eyes of the Civilian, an easy target.
However, Primordialman why do you think you can comment on an organisation you know nothing about except what you read in a state controlled media?. Even your basic reasoning and argument is flawed. The fact you never made the grade for any of the Armed forces has nothing to do with your acedemic abilities, but with the fact that the system is designed to weed out those whom are deemed unstable or immature, mentally and emotionally, and unfortunately you fit the bill - which, you will react to by blaming the system because you can only see it from your viewpoint and not that of the system designed to highlight it.

You go on about generalisations about the Military and inaccuracies therein, however, you are only too keen to generalise about those who are actually serving in the ADF as being elitist - this is simply wrong, and you are making yourself sound more ignorant, bitter and twisted with each misinformed comment - I can't understand why you are the only person allowed to make a generalisation about the Military...

Anyway, everyone here can see you for what you are, a flawed , immature individual who would never win the trust of his peers should he be in a situation where it is needed.

The only violence you are capable of is a figment of your own wank fantasy, faced with anything even remotely threatening you would freeze, then get a metallic taste in your mouth as the adrenalin dump kicked in, (BTW by now it's too late to do anything) next you'd begin to shake and get emotional,as you're unable and untrained to deal with the fear, you would cower and become submissive to the aggressor as he then proceeded in his goal. Try facing this on a daily basis, like the time you were abused as a child or beaten up by the kids down the local shops and then you might get a small idea of what it's like to actually be in aggressive combat on a daily basis.

Feel free to continue to criticise the Military and those who gave their lives for the relative freedom you have today, after all, it must be better than being the bitch of a Japanese officer, eh?.

CK

eternal_spirit

15-10-2010, 10:20 PM

Infotainment fora arent known for intelligence!
One reason why conservative turds like you are posting here no doubt!

Given the state of northern englands racial & religious mix you wont have so far to travel to realise your wish!
Poms and aussie troops seem to share one thing in common both seem really good a dying frankly they are losers that cant fight for shit!
So much so that the media here needs to keep reminding modest old civilians that another one of their dopey number has just kicked a land mine or whatever well ah .. last time i looked they are fighting a war &suppose to face death.duh! surely this is not front page news according to news ltd etc it is well duh another slow news days i presume!.

If it wasnt for the US (no thanks to britian) Australia would have been part of japans asia co prosperity sphere by now and britian simply would have been occupied by the Nazis.
Face facts commonwealth nations cant fight for shit they are weak and good at dying they should be, they,ve had plenty of oppertunities to fight in pointless wars for God, King & Country!

Cheerio old chap and remeber to give your best sargents salute to those allah akbar chanting pakis down the street before they slit your throat in the heart of your united kingdom!:cool:
The yanks are way to gung ho go in blazing (that's why so many of them get killed)

Eisenhower was an idiot (Patton hated him and rightly so called him a yellow belly Jew) because Eisenhower got many many American Goys killed due to his shitty gung ho tactics and Patton knew this.

Patton wanted to take out the Commies ffs and even admitted that we fought the wrong side (Germans)
Patton was murdered (assassinated probably) after the war for what he said (the truth that Communism was the main threat!)

Both my grand fathers fought for the English against Germany, one Irish one English. One great grand father was German. So his son would have been fighting against his German family he left behind there when he moved to Wales.

He helped save Jews ass and helped destroy his father's Germany.

My father was in an Irish/English regiment who was sent to Germany (Berlin wall etc) and Belfast and Cyprus (to try keep the peace between the Muslim Turks and their enemy the Greek Cypriots) his father was from Belfast. His grandfather from Germany. National service was the norm back then,
jail or being shunned by the community was the consequences of refusing service.
So yes I come from a long line of Nazis (sarcasm).:rolleyes:

We got told a very one sided biased view of the war and history leading up to it, nothings changed with the media and schools. (two purposes to blame Germany for everything and to try silence anyone who speaks out about Today's genocide on the white race via mass immigration and out breeding by other races in the UK and Europe including Germany) you are labelled a Nazi or racist for knowing the truth and telling it.

Theory?
It could be a Jewish Zionist plot against whitey, definitely a globalist plot including traitors in the UK GOV!

Luckily we have the internet and certain omitted historical facts are now available for us plus the other side of the story (Germans/other Europeans) and the opening of once closed Communist files.

My Indian relatives their father fought for the English, after the war he returned to India but had to do a runner cos the Muslims where killing his neighbours, they (he his wife and children) would have been next!

So don't give me no shit call me a coward - names etc lightgiver, don't you think my family (Me) deserves a break from the FUCKIN ARMY for a generation...
My great great great grandfather probably fought that French feckin plonker garlic breathed Napolean.

eternal_spirit

15-10-2010, 10:50 PM

Your both badly mistaken then and completely naive about the obvious. Last time i looked their were thousands of Muslims other asian races and religions inhabiting the big and not so big cities of western nations yet interestingly the great protective civil services of the Police force and military,Intelligence agencies have been completey hamstrung and powerless to deal with issue one because their nations they are(not off invading foreign lands which dont concern them) suppose to be protecting have already been swamped by thousands of different racial and religious groups with civil rights galore awarded to them and two the civil services are given their directives by politically correct governments and three because the entire organisations are infiltrated and run by FREEMASONRY which explains an awful amount to yours truly.

I wouldnt rely on our great civil services (as if)to tie my shoe laces theyd be more interested in making Muhammad or Sanjay become officers at duntroon or sanhurst then lick their dark asses while they plan their defection to the invading force whether that happens to be Muslim fundie or Chinese communist or Indian Nationalist which ofcuase they are already in the process of doing right now!.
Yet continue to show your unwaivering loyalty old chaps like good mason lap dogs I am sure youll receive all the left over vindaloos and kebabs from your Mason masters and muslim and curry masters! The british to do not reward loyalty and never have just like churchill whom abandoned Australia in its greatest hour of need!.:rolleyes:
Nothing wrong with Nationalism (unless you're white apparently:() it's natural groups of animals look after their own and make sure their needs are seen too.

The Japanese are a good example of a Nationalist country, and don't get called racists, by those who call other countries (always whites get the label, no other race does, the hypocrisy is astounding) racist for wanting to preserve their indigenous people and cultures - but I wouldn't call the Japanese racists for doing so.
Although the Japs did fight agaisnt the English during the war.

Yet they got their own people running their country and they are not suffering form the effects of mass immigration like Germany and England are. Fancy our grandad's fought to keep Britain British, they got conned like we did by the globalists..who sold out our country.

All other races/cultures/"majority" of countries do their best to repel/avoid - the same fate as the Europeans with strict immigration laws (including zero), jailed, deported shot even. No foreigners allowed to vote, or be involved in politics, Police, social services, and other lines of employment - Certain kinds of land ownership, businesses unemployment benefits, jump the housing ques, Hospital que, or not allowed any of these things at all.
Unless you come to Britain!

Does that make these other races/countries racist? Can you see the double standards and hypocrisy daily here.

Whereas the financial cost of mass immigration is enormous and Europeans with the current demographic trends and birth/death rates and younger age by percentage of some groups of immigrants (plus polygamy only legal for Muslims) some bring over 4 wives and 20 children, or breed more when they arrive - and get state benefits, housing etc.
Those who arrived here decades ago had to work for sometime and pay into the system and earn these things, not now - anyone can arrive with any cock and bull story and seek asylum, some are criminals and war mongers here to do Jihad and implement Shariah on us all.

The worlds a big place they should go elsewhere, the nearest safe country (IS THE LAW) yet they are allowed to break it and cross dozens of safe countries to get here. They know they wouldn't be allowed into many other countries and the ones they would be, would not give them all the freebies they get here.

Foreign aid is another thorn, while cuts in child benefits and vital services are made by our governments, often dictated to by the EU. Less jobs = less marriages and babies, the cost of living and lower wages. Cuts in the number of Police and armed forces. Yet higher crime rates due to criminal immigrants, some come from war torn areas.

Only Nationalists partys are campaigning to bring home the troops and not get involved in any more wars abroad.

Foreign businesses allowed to be set up and bring over their own work forces and positive employment discrimination acts in education and employment (indigenous whitey is denied opportunities)

There's more, but you can find out for yourselves.
or should I go?

We have taken in enough foreigners many are good people and not a problem - but we only have limited resources, trillions in debt to the bankers, foreign aid and wars we don't want to be involved with.

If the EDL achieves anything it is keeping Jihadist fuckers off the streets...notice how quite that lot have been recently.
Better stay that way too, no more of that ten Muslims on to one or two English (or whatever) lads.

Yes we have it on video and photos all the evidence.

Don't worry every garden shed is well equiped, if there's ever a mass Jihad, the old school ways worked in the past...Good old 1 2 with pitch fork and shovel no match for the sharpest of kebab knives and religious beating clubs.

Because we know the ARMY will be abroad busy trying to sort out every other countries shit apart from what goes on at home IN BRITAIN - It will be "us civilians" who have to defend ourselves and fight off the Jihadists (If the Islamic revolution/coupe ever happens on a large scale civil war)

Like is happening on a smaller scale now in certain places across the country.

eternal_spirit

15-10-2010, 11:37 PM

I do know he (great grand dad) had to hide his German identity because Germans where being booted out of England or put into works camps during the war, of course the irony now (first case in history surely?) Muslims aren't booted out rather let in by the thousands each year.

That's suicidal strategy considering the Brits are at war with some Muslim countries. And some of the immigrants fucking hate our guts. Can understand this from those whose families are being killed.

One rule for Germans (boot them out during war) and another for Muslims.....maybe the blood of Muhammad flowing through the Queen's veins, although I suspect the GOV call the shots and some rich Muslims and they trade oil for immigrants or something.

What is this war in Afghan about????? Try stabilise this and surrounding regions (OIL) (GAS PIPELINE?)

Placing in a more democratic secular GOV???? Some Muslims and others (AFGHANS are fighting against the Taliban)
Yet the latest news is that the Taliban will likely end up in a coalition GOV with other Afghans (Afghanies whatever)

Anyone else want to answer the WHYS of this WAR???????
And if you bang on about Heroin, then answer me this, why is there so many Pakistani/Muslim dealers in Britain????? Look up the quotes: some have said it's another form of Jihad on the English, do them in with drugs.

eternal_spirit

16-10-2010, 12:07 AM

I honestly see it like this. If Muslims can behave in my country and do what they do down the Mosque etc peacfully - then I can abide by that.

The history of wars with Islam is a very long bloody history and needs to end now, otherwise history will continue to repeat itself and all of us whatever whoever we are may suffer. It's that simple forgive and forget and tolerate eachother.

But lets not live in cloud cuckoo land either (meaning we still need some kind of defensive forces of some kind) because not all want peace, to deny this is naive.

octopusrex

16-10-2010, 12:55 AM

primordialman

16-10-2010, 01:39 AM

Yes but like YOU said you tried to join pmsl

What a fucking retard

HAH whos the one that cant READ what i said earlier or are you so RETARDED you cant read or comprehend as i understand English is only your second tongue!

As mercenary congratuations you are soulless hired killing machine whom will hopefully get your just deserts in time!.
Frankly your retard comments are hilarious you mercenary Bosnian Dog being professional war criminial is probably the only life you have ever known Id be surprised if you even had an education you fucking mutt!.
Also your comments about the salvation army are uncalled for against the great work that organisation does and shows your mentality you are psychopath and just the kind that shoudnt be in any military/paramilitary most likely your a war criminal on the run from serbia where you have several enemies whom want your head on a stick good luck dog.

Frankly though from here its onto IGNORE so dont your fucking time chump!.

primordialman

16-10-2010, 08:07 AM

Anyway, everyone here can see you for what you are, a flawed , immature individual who would never win the trust of his peers should he be in a situation where it is needed.

REALLY you want to put that to a vote do you!
I don’t think anyone here is suppose to be anything except themselves they certainly are not going to be conservative or supporting of the status quo, yet we get agent prov, types like you in here trying to shit stir the anarchists and other rebels just to give them an enema I ve seen it throughout the life of the fora.
While it’s healthy to have opposites and balance it’s not healthy to insult those for simply questioning the status quo. It’s not advisable at all to knock the anti conformists that question establishment institutions in this fora after all that’s why this forum was formed and what David icke is all about, if your conservative & don’t like anarchists then I suggest you piss off to fora that you find more to your liking e.g. a Tory party fora or UN peacekeeping one maybe! What I am saying in nutshell is I think you’ll have popular time here with your kind of attitudes putting it sarcastically.

The only violence you are capable of is a figment of your own wank fantasy, faced with anything even remotely threatening you would freeze, then get a metallic taste in your mouth as the adrenalin dump kicked in, (BTW by now it's too late to do anything) next you'd begin to shake and get emotional, as you're unable and untrained to deal with the fear, you would cower and become submissive to the aggressor as he then proceeded in his goal. Try facing this on a daily basis, like the time you were abused as a child or beaten up by the kids down the local shops and then you might get a small idea of what it's like to actually be in aggressive combat on a daily basis.

REALLY you would know would you bud! You fancy meeting me to find out or something! You’re a pretty foolish fellow by saying something like I was known as pugilist in my school days infact right through my 20s I am fit strong, visit the gym more than capable of looking after myself those with state sanctioned intimidation on their mind really don’t bother me in the slightest that’s where civil right organs of government come into play where there are several civil servants or one stepping other line to abuse their authority they play a heavy price if they abuse that position both through military courts & civilian courts.

Just look at what happens when troops over step the mark and get charged with war crimes or violence against civs do their govs back them no fucking way as with crooked coppers there are plenty courts and anti corruption bodies in civil society to nail them if need be!. Of cause once discharged you can threaten me with the all violence you want you will be risking your health &life at least as much as me the army mates will most likely dry up and no one will be watching your back. So dream on old chap.

Feel free to continue to criticise the Military and those who gave their lives for the relative freedom you have today, after all, it must be better than being the bitch of a Japanese officer, eh?.

Indeed I will!! They have only paved the way for the NWO globlism,multiculturalism all things that betray their own anglo race especially the working class ones, as when has middle class anglo ever given two shits about those beneath them on the class scale.
The Japanese you say ahah the Japanese already own large chunks of australia look at qeensland they couldn’t wait to let them invest in property there during the 1980s.
However we are not just talking about Japs here all asians have huge chunks of Australia under their financial control via shares bonds or other investments plus our nation would not survive without its chinese mining boom in WA so really all the commonwealth fought for in ww2 as already been completely lost, it’s like the rug pulled under everything they fought for!. Because the future will be all about asia not europe or the US they don’t need to beat us in combat when they can buy us out also when they can swamp us with their immigrants and students.

Plus with the post modern armies pro femo,pro gay,pro, ethnic policies I wouldn’t really like any these types watching my back in terms of front line combat troops you’d never know how safe your ass was let alone how safe your back was. As for religion because the west for most part sees itself as too enlightened for religion it will be easy for islam to go from strength to strength this has nothing to with al Qaeda its simply to do with the spiritual & moral vacuum in western culture also the amount of islamic immigrants govs now allow into western nations!.
Question is the ADF free of Islamic officers or non commissioned ranks I doubt it. How does the dopey ADF assess the loyalty of such men could they trust them in combat how about chinese how many of these are now in the ADF? I saw one asian officer not long ago in ADF uniform pull into a local service station I was little surprised to say the least to realise depth the ADF has sunk to in terms of whom it is prepared to have in its ranks especially in commissioned positions i cant imgaine myself in million years ever wanting to take orders from an asian or arab officer, as anglo/celtic born aussie how does the army know the true loyalties of any of these men? Personally i think many of the ww2 vets still alive are stunned I know one personally whom is family that certainly is, others must be turning in their graves but hey whom gives a shit about the past when your masters are building the NWO.:rolleyes:

entrangermercenary

16-10-2010, 03:15 PM

!.

I ve been knocked back form joining the army reserve here atleast three times & theres nothing wrong with my intelligence or acheivment level i have a university degree plus many other vocational qualifications

As for myself i certainly wont ever bother volunteering to join again they are complete ingrates and if they called me for military services i think would tell ADF shove their rifles where the sun dont shine!.!.

Hmm so tell me where ive got it wrong mr bitter and twisted ???

Fucking amazing this forum when people are confronted with there own words....duh...its on to the ignore list :D

Fucking retard....for all your education....cdnt even get in the Reserve....going once...going twice...going 3 times....oops sorry sir...you havnt made the grade...LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

entrangermercenary

16-10-2010, 03:24 PM

HAH whos the one that cant READ what i said earlier or are you so RETARDED you cant read or comprehend as i understand English is only your second tongue!

As mercenary congratuations you are soulless hired killing machine whom will hopefully get your just deserts in time!.
Frankly your retard comments are hilarious you mercenary Bosnian Dog being professional war criminial is probably the only life you have ever known Id be surprised if you even had an education you fucking mutt!.
Also your comments about the salvation army are uncalled for against the great work that organisation does and shows your mentality you are psychopath and just the kind that shoudnt be in any military/paramilitary most likely your a war criminal on the run from serbia where you have several enemies whom want your head on a stick good luck dog.

Frankly though from here its onto IGNORE so dont your fucking time chump!.

woof woof :D

Honest answer now...did you get a nock back from the salvation army ???

Now having tried 3 times to join the ADF ...what is it about them that you tried 3 times( lol) ....maybe you like the men in uniform ;)

or just the uniform :eek:

or maybe the thought of holding at last... a big weapon in your hand :o

or the buddy buddy system...guess the only way you may have got a m8 eh !!! :cool:

Somebody with a degree and they try 3 times to join..must be something in it !! ??

Oh btw the spell check is usefull for some1 as thick as me :D...suggest somebody with your education may want to try it out :eek: ;)

primordialman

16-10-2010, 04:00 PM

killgore: Everyone likes to pick on the soldier because he is, ironically , in the eyes of the Civilian, an easy target
One more thing it is NOT popular to blame soldiers at all infact they are wrapped in cotton wool by the media & gov in Australia.It is very much going against the grain to criticise them! So your not even right about that!.

primordialman

16-10-2010, 04:23 PM

Because we know the ARMY will be abroad busy trying to sort out every other countries shit apart from what goes on at home IN BRITAIN - It will be "us civilians" who have to defend ourselves and fight off the Jihadists (If the Islamic revolution/coupe ever happens on a large scale civil war)

Like is happening on a smaller scale now in certain places across the country.
Yep exactly the point these saluting bozos here dont get, is the fact they are not defending us modest civilians from anything, on the contrary they adding to the reasons for muslims to come to the west in even larger numbers maybe thats part of the point of these stupid mid eastern excursions. What I see as very plausible in the near future is civil wars in anglo nations between muslims, gooks and treacherous NWO stormtrooper military VS Any that oppose NWO (most being white anyway).
Is it any wonder that governments especially in Australias case have been attempting to disarm the civilians making that much easier for military NWO stormtroopers(like kilgore &co) to enforce the Aquarian elites gay melting pot massacre!.

lightgiver

16-10-2010, 06:23 PM

put the bankers on the front line

let them taste death :eek:

marpat

16-10-2010, 06:55 PM

killgore:
One more thing it is NOT popular to blame soldiers at all infact they are wrapped in cotton wool by the media & gov in Australia.It is very much going against the grain to criticise them! So your not even right about that!.

In the UK its another story though.

marpat

16-10-2010, 06:58 PM

Yep exactly the point these saluting bozos here dont get, is the fact they are not defending us modest civilians from anything, on the contrary they adding to the reasons for muslims to come to the west in even larger numbers maybe thats part of point of these stupid mid eastern excursions. What I see as very plausible in the near future is civil wars in anglo nations between muslims, gooks and treacherous NWO stormtrooper military VS Any that oppose NWO (most being white anyway).
Is it any wonder that governments especially in Australias case have been attempting to disarm the civilians making that much easier for military NWO stormtroopers(like kilgore &co) to enforce the Aquarian elites gay melting pot massacre!.

The UK has had very strict laws on gun ownership, with the majority of people not holding one, yet I have to see a time when civilian have needed weapons over here to fight against some supposed new world order.

Wow, you expect civil wars in Africa. How very perceptive of you, I would never have thought such things could happen over there :rolleyes:

For somebody who pretends to have high morals you are a bit of a racist

primordialman

17-10-2010, 02:34 AM

The UK has had very strict laws on gun ownership, with the majority of people not holding one, yet I have to see a time when civilian have needed weapons over here to fight against some supposed new world order.

Okay so you dont believe in the NWO this is REALLY news to me marfat since i thought you did, even considering the fact that you advertise your support for oto philosophy, should have been the first hint for those of us more cluey.However if you dont believe in this NWO then what exactly do you think icke.com is all about then?
Maybe its about supporting the NWO in that case silly me:rolleyes: i must have been posting in the wrong place all along, somehow i dont think the majority here share your cyncism writing off the NWO theory so readily.

Wow, you expect civil wars in Africa. How very perceptive of you, I would never have thought such things could happen over there

Was that sarcasm or not, you have to give me a better indication it doesnt come across very well?

For somebody who pretends to have high morals you are a bit of a racist

Well considering there are so many different definitions of racism floating around these days i suppose it depends on which definition so more specifics please?
However there seems to be plenty of racism still in theatres of war or against refugees, its only in western nations when the yellow or brown man has a large amount of money that suddenly racism is banned!

However generally the west as whole is still full of plenty of racism its more a case of "Haves &Have Nots" e.g. racism is carte blanche against those whom are poor with colour, however banned against those who are wealthy with colour, get the picture!.

primordialman

18-10-2010, 07:25 AM

Kilgore:

The fact you never made the grade for any of the Armed forces has nothing to do with your acedemic abilities, but with the fact that the system is designed to weed out those whom are deemed unstable or immature, mentally and emotionally, and unfortunately you fit the bill - which, you will react to by blaming the system because you can only see it from your viewpoint and not that of the system designed to highlight it.

Yeh just like David Hicks & what a great asset he was to the ADF!
They must have real great procedures for asssesing pple, rats ass more like this guy did cadets at school and this guy didnt cause he went to an aussie government school where they dont even have cadets, so we only take private grammar school types much how it works here, like i said before elitist and hardly respresentive of a cross section of Australian society.
Frankly there seems to be more fruit loops in the militaries of the world than anywhere else bar prisons. After vietnam for exmaple there were thousand of cases of war crimes most cant clearly have been done by sane& adjusted troops & why would the present conflicts be any different.

marpat

18-10-2010, 08:15 AM

Okay so you dont believe in the NWO this is REALLY news to me marfat since i thought you did, even considering the fact that you advertise your support for oto philosophy, should have been the first hint for those of us more cluey.However if you dont believe in this NWO then what exactly do you think icke.com is all about then?
Maybe its about supporting the NWO in that case silly me:rolleyes: i must have been posting in the wrong place all along, somehow i dont think the majority here share your cyncism writing off the NWO theory so readily.

Was that sarcasm or not, you have to give me a better indication it doesnt come across very well?

Well considering there are so many different definitions of racism floating around these days i suppose it depends on which definition so more specifics please?
However there seems to be plenty of racism still in theatres of war or against refugees, its only in western nations when the yellow or brown man has a large amount of money that suddenly racism is banned!

However generally the west as whole is still full of plenty of racism its more a case of "Haves &Have Nots" e.g. racism is carte blanche against those whom are poor with colour, however banned against those who are wealthy with colour, get the picture!.

Dont try to hide your racism. Did you not refer to some people as gooks? pretty offensive term that but I doubt you will be too bothered.

What has the OTO got to do with the NWO idea? is this where you tell me that they are supporting the NWO, etc, etc :rolleyes:

Icke.com is about making money. The site is like a new age shop

primordialman

18-10-2010, 08:30 AM

Dont try to hide your racism. Did you not refer to some people as gooks? pretty offensive term that but I doubt you will be too bothered.

Correct I am not bothered because its just slang term "stick&stones" as the saying goes.
Only thought police the chardonnay socialists of the world would deny those who like to use slang terms completey harmless!.
However if you consider me racist thats fine i can live with it. The terms a joke these days anyway the thought police are to blame for that as well!. And like i stated racism is fine if your soldier in the war against terror or an Australian liberal party voter baying for the blood of boat people just not fine if your lower class white male!.

marpat

18-10-2010, 11:09 AM

Correct I am not bothered because its just slang term "stick&stones" as the saying goes.
Only thought police the chardonnay socialists of the world would deny those who like to use slang terms completey harmless!.
However if you consider me racist thats fine i can live with it. The terms a joke these days anyway the thought police are to blame for that as well!. And like i stated racism is fine if your soldier in the war against terror or an Australian liberal party voter baying for the blood of boat people just not fine if your lower class white male!.

Im a working class white male myself, what is your point. I dont class such remarks as slang as it is a derogatory term.

As a military person I know that racism is not tolerated, although it may have been accepted in years gone by when the forces were made up of mainly white men. We can be punished quite harshly for making joke comments if a person complains, so what you say is false, at least from my viewpoint.

lightgiver

19-10-2010, 06:52 PM

Cutting the forces now you have been used

Muppets

marpat

19-10-2010, 07:33 PM

Cutting the forces now you have been used

Muppets

Did you leave by choice or did they boot you out?

lightgiver

19-10-2010, 07:44 PM

Did you leave by choice or did they boot you out?

I left by choice

Britain will lose thousands of troops, build new aircraft carriers – without new fighter jets :confused:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140192

primordialman

21-10-2010, 07:16 AM

Im a working class white male myself, what is your point. I dont class such remarks as slang as it is a derogatory term.

Your the one that appears to be making a BIG DEAL out of it so, what yours?

As a military person I know that racism is not tolerated, although it may have been accepted in years gone by when the forces were made up of mainly white men. We can be punished quite harshly for making joke comments if a person complains, so what you say is false, at least from my viewpoint.

Who knows who or what you really are behind that monitor or even your past or present for all i know you have cerebal palsey, sitting in a wheelchair with a carer helping dictate your perverted worldview. Frankly its of no interest to me who you really are, all i do is respond to whatever posts are thrown at me.
Given your consistent support for Alistair crawley/oto i would think you have alot more to worry about from prosecutions for things illegel than I!.
The truth comes out eventually, all cults leak like sives.

Now speaking of flawed and perverted characters in the military or ex military hows this fit the bill:http://www.watoday.com.au/world/secret-life-of-crossdressing-killer-colonel-revealed-20101019-16rt2.html?from=smh_ft (http://www.watoday.com.au/world/secret-life-of-crossdressing-killer-colonel-revealed-20101019-16rt2.html?from=smh_ft)

I would hope this is none of you lovely posters, but in a big wild world who knows their luck!.
And kilgore mate if your still trolling about i suppose this was the standards of emotional &mental stability they are in nurturing in todays military for FFS FLAWED indeed!.http://images.watoday.com.au/2010/10/19/1995545/williams-420x0.jpg

marpat

21-10-2010, 10:29 AM

lol, you have a real hang up about military people. Were you rejected or something?

marpat

21-10-2010, 02:19 PM

you will find a lot of cross dressing in the forces LOL :D

Hey Marpat any pics of you in the Forces?

Heres a couple for you from me

Did you do any crossdressing? sounds like a confession to me

eternal_spirit

21-10-2010, 04:43 PM

Spot LG? That you in your avatar after the transgender OP :D;)

eternal_spirit

21-10-2010, 04:54 PM

I thought you would try and twist it :p

No that is not me in the avatar

Hey lets see a pic of you?

http://www.monochrom.at/polytheism/pictures/pan.jpg
I'm pulling ya leg and you know it. :D

Let me guess the girl in the avatar is your French woman visiting your relatives in England? :)

Me? a couple on the fourm photo thread. Told you this before. I think you're a bit paranoid or something for not posting a pic of yourself, no one will know who you are amongst all that lot in uniform.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/3077/eternalzr3qn8.jpg

Me 1991. :p

First off this is Pan

http://www.illusionsgallery.com/pan-L.jpg
hence the pipes he's playing are called Pan pipes (Pan was a Greek deity)

My avatar is Puck aka Robin Good Fellow notice the pipe he's playing are not Pan pipes.

Although ‘Puck’ is now mainly thought of as the personal name of one character in Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream, it is in fact an ancient word, found both in Germanic and in Celtic languages, for a demon, goblin (http://www.answers.com/topic/goblin), or troublesome fairy (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairy-godparent). In medieval and Elizabethan English, the connections can be quite sinister; Langland calls Hell ‘the poukes poundfold’, and Spenser, calling down blessings on a newly married couple, prays that they may be safe from fires, lightning, witches, ‘the Pouke and other evill sprights’. But Shakespeare's Puck is only a mischievous trickster who boasts of shape-changing and leading travellers astray; like a helpful domestic brownie (http://www.answers.com/topic/brownie) he arrives at the end of the play, broom in hand, to sweep the house so that the fairies may bless it.

The name ‘Puck’ appears in two Sussex variants of the story of the man who spies on his fairy helpers, one published in 1854 and the other in 1875. A farmer (or a carter) who realizes someone has been secretly threshing his corn (or feeding his horses) watches two small fairies toiling at these tasks until one says to the other, ‘I say, Puck, I sweats, do you sweat?’ The man bursts out laughing (or cursing), and the fairies rush off; he falls sick and pines away (or his horses do) (Simpson, 1973: 55-7). Also in the mid-19th century, being ‘poakeled’ was a dialect term in the Midlands and west of England for having lost one's way at night or feeling bewildered and confused.

In English folklore (http://www.answers.com/topic/english-folklore), Puck is a mythological fairy (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairy) or mischievous nature (http://www.answers.com/topic/nature) sprite (http://www.answers.com/topic/sprite-creature). Puck is also a generalised personification of land spirits. In more recent times, the figure of Robin Goodfellow is identified as a puck.
http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/44/Puck.JPG/220px-Puck.JPG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Puck.JPG) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Puck.JPG)
Illustration from the title page of Robin Goodfellow: His Mad Pranks and Merry Jests (1629)

In English folklore (http://www.answers.com/topic/english-folklore), Puck is a mythological fairy (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairy) or mischievous nature (http://www.answers.com/topic/nature) sprite (http://www.answers.com/topic/sprite-creature).
Etymology

The Old English (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-english-language) puca is a kind of half-tamed woodland (http://www.answers.com/topic/woodland-1) sprite (http://www.answers.com/topic/sprite-creature), leading folk astray with echoes and lights in nighttime woodlands (like the German and Dutch (http://www.answers.com/topic/germanic-mythology) Weisse Frauen and Witte Wieven and the French (http://www.answers.com/topic/french-people-1) Dames Blanches, all "White Ladies"), or coming into the farmstead and souring milk in the churn.
Significantly for such a place-spirit or genius loci (http://www.answers.com/topic/genius-loci), the Old English (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-english-language). According to the Oxford English Dictionary (http://www.answers.com/topic/oxford-english-dictionary-1), the etymology of the name Puck is "unsettled", and it is not clear even whether its origin is Germanic (http://www.answers.com/topic/germanic-languages) (cf. Old Norse (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-norse-1) puki, Old Swedish (http://www.answers.com/topic/swedish-language) puke, Icelandic (http://www.answers.com/topic/icelandic-language) puki, Frisian (http://www.answers.com/topic/frisian-languages) Puk), or Celtic (http://www.answers.com/topic/celtic-languages) (Welsh (http://www.answers.com/topic/welsh-language) pwca[1] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-0) and Irish (http://www.answers.com/topic/irish-language) púca (http://www.answers.com/topic/p-ca-1)).
One inference would surmise that a theoretical Proto-Indo-European (http://www.answers.com/topic/proto-indo-european-language) original for both is earlier than the linguistic split.[2] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-1)
According to Paul Devereux, the names of various creatures from Celtic folklore, including the Irish (http://www.answers.com/topic/irish-language), púca, Welsh (http://www.answers.com/topic/welsh-language), "pwca" or "pwca", could be from the same Celtic family as the term "pixies (http://www.answers.com/topic/pixie-3)" (in Cornwall (http://www.answers.com/topic/cornwall), "Piskies"),[3] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-2) however "piskie" could be related to the Swedish (http://www.answers.com/topic/swedish-language) word "pyske" meaning "small fairy".
Other likely names:

Bosworth and Toller (http://www.answers.com/topic/joseph-bosworth) list only "púcel" (puucel) in Old English.[4] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-3)
In Friesland (http://www.answers.com/topic/friesland), there is a “Puk”
In old German (http://www.answers.com/topic/german-language), the “putz” or “butz” is a being not unlike the original English Puck.
In Icelandic (http://www.answers.com/topic/icelandic-language) a “Púki” is a little devil. “Púkinn” with the definite article suffix "-inn", "The Puck", means the Devil (http://www.answers.com/topic/lucifer).
The “Puk” (or the Draug) in Norwegian (http://www.answers.com/topic/norwegian-language) is a water spirit, a supernatural being of evil power.
In modern Cornwall (http://www.answers.com/topic/cornwall) folklore are Buccas (http://www.answers.com/topic/bucca-mythological-creature), good and bad.

The folklore of Puck was magisterially assembled by William Bell, in two volumes that appeared in 1852[5] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-4) that have been called a "monument to nineteenth-century antiquarianism gone rampant."[6] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-5)
Since, if you "speak of the Devil" he will appear, Puck's euphemistic "disguised" name is "Robin Goodfellow" or "Hobgoblin (http://www.answers.com/topic/hobgoblin)",[7] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-6) in which "Hob" may substitute for "Rob" or may simply refer to the "goblin of the hearth" or hob. The name Robin is Middle English (http://www.answers.com/topic/middle-english) in origin, deriving from Old French (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-french) Robin, the pet form for the name Robert (which had cognates in the Old English (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-english-language) Hrodberht and Old German (http://www.answers.com/topic/old-high-german) Rodbert or Hrodebert, all derived from the Proto-Germanic hrôdberxtas. See Robert (http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-1)). The earliest reference to "Robin Goodfellow" cited by the Oxford English Dictionary (http://www.answers.com/topic/oxford-english-dictionary-1) is from 1531. After Meyerbeer (http://www.answers.com/topic/giacomo-meyerbeer)'s successful opera Robert le Diable (1831), neo-medievalists and occultists began to apply the name Robin Goodfellow to the Devil, with appropriately extravagant imagery.
If you had the knack, Puck might do minor housework for you, quick fine needlework or butter-churning, which could be undone in a moment by his knavish tricks if you fell out of favour with him. "Those that Hob-goblin call you, and sweet Puck, / You do their work, and they shall have good luck" said one of William Shakespeare (http://www.answers.com/topic/william-shakespeare)'s fairies (http://www.answers.com/topic/fairy). Shakespeare's characterization of "shrewd and knavish" Puck in A Midsummer Night's Dream (http://www.answers.com/topic/a-midsummer-night-s-dream) may have revived flagging interest in Puck.[8] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-7)
According to Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (http://www.answers.com/topic/brewer-s-dictionary-of-phrase-and-fable) (1898): [Robin Goodfellow is a] "drudging fiend", and merry domestic fairy, famous for mischievous pranks and practical jokes. At night-time he will sometimes do little services for the family over which he presides. The Scots (http://www.answers.com/topic/scottish-people) call this domestic spirit a brownie (http://www.answers.com/topic/brownie-mythology); the Germans, kobold (http://www.answers.com/topic/kobold) or Knecht Ruprecht (http://www.answers.com/topic/companions-of-saint-nicholas). Scandinavians (http://www.answers.com/topic/scandinavia) called it Nissë God-dreng (http://www.answers.com/topic/tomte). Puck, the jester (http://www.answers.com/topic/jester-1) of Fairy-court, is the same.
In English literature

Main article: Puck (Shakespeare) (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-shakespeare)
Puck, also known as Robin Goodfellow, is a character in William Shakespeare (http://www.answers.com/topic/william-shakespeare)'s play A Midsummer Night's Dream (http://www.answers.com/topic/a-midsummer-night-s-dream), whose nature has been so clearly fixed in the English-speaking imagination that, as Katherine Briggs has remarked,[9] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-8) "it no longer seems natural to talk as Robert Burton (http://www.answers.com/topic/robert-burton) does in the Anatomie of Melancholy (http://www.answers.com/topic/the-anatomy-of-melancholy-1) of a puck instead of 'Puck'". The audience is introduced to Puck in Act II Scene I when Puck encounters one of Titania (http://www.answers.com/topic/titania-4)'s fairies. She recognizes Puck for that shrewd and knavish sprite
Call'd Robin Goodfellow: are not you he
That frights the maidens of the villagery;
Skim milk, and sometimes labour in the quern
And bootless make the breathless housewife churn;
And sometime make the drink to bear no barm;
Mislead night-wanderers, laughing at their harm?
Those that Hobgoblin call you and sweet Puck,
You do their work, and they shall have good luck:
Are not you he?
It is Puck's mistaken doings that provide the convolutions of the plot.
Aside from Shakespeare's famous use of Puck, many other writers have referred to the spirit as well. An early 17th century broadside ballad, "The Mad Merry Pranks of Robin Goodfellow"—which is so deft and literate it has been taken for the work of Ben Jonson (http://www.answers.com/topic/ben-jonson)—describes Puck/Robin Goodfellow as the emissary of Oberon (http://www.answers.com/topic/oberon-3), the Faery King, inspiring night-terrors in old women but also carding their wool while they sleep, leading travellers astray, taking the shape of animals, blowing out the candles to kiss the girls in the darkness (http://www.answers.com/topic/darkness-2), twitching off their bedclothes, or making them fall out of bed on the cold floor, tattling secrets, and changing babes in cradles with elflings. All his work is done by moonlight, and his mocking, echoing laugh is "Ho ho ho!"
Robin Goodfellow is the main speaker in Jonson's 1612 masque (http://www.answers.com/topic/masque) Love Restored (http://www.answers.com/topic/love-restored).
John Milton (http://www.answers.com/topic/john-milton), in L'Allegro (http://www.answers.com/topic/l-allegro) tells "how the drudging Goblin (http://www.answers.com/topic/goblin) swet / To earn his cream-bowle duly set" by threshing a week's worth of grain in a night, and then, "stretch'd out all the chimney's length, / Basks at the fire his hairy strength." Milton's Puck is not small and sprightly, but nearer to a Green Man (http://www.answers.com/topic/green-man) or a hairy woodwose (http://www.answers.com/topic/woodwose). For followers of neo-Pagan imagery, sometimes the influence of Pan (http://www.answers.com/topic/pan) imagery has now given Puck the hindquarters and cloven hooves (http://www.answers.com/topic/cloven-hoof) of a goat. He may even have small horns.
Goethe (http://www.answers.com/topic/johann-wolfgang-von-goethe-2) also used Puck in the first half of Faust (http://www.answers.com/topic/goethe-s-faust), in a scene entitled "A Walpurgis Night (http://www.answers.com/topic/walpurgis-night) Dream", where he played off of the spirit Ariel (http://www.answers.com/topic/ariel-shakespeare) from The Tempest (http://www.answers.com/topic/the-tempest).
http://wpcontent.answcdn.com/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Rackham_Puck.jpg/220px-Rackham_Puck.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rackham_Puck.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rackham_Puck.jpg)
Kipling's Puck of Pook's Hill (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-of-pook-s-hill), painted by Arthur Rackham (http://www.answers.com/topic/arthur-rackham)

Puck's trademark (http://www.answers.com/topic/trademark) laugh in the early ballads is "Ho ho ho."[10] (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-mischievous-sprite-in-english-folklore#cite_note-9) In modern mythology, the "merry old elf (http://www.answers.com/topic/elf)" who works with magical swiftness unseen in the night, who can "descry each thing that's done beneath the moone", whom we propitiate with a glass of milk, lest he put lumps of coal in the stockings we hang by the hob with care, and whose trademark laugh is "Ho ho ho"—is Santa Claus (http://www.answers.com/topic/santa-claus).
In Rudyard Kipling (http://www.answers.com/topic/rudyard-kipling)'s Puck of Pook's Hill (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-of-pook-s-hill) (1906), Puck, the last of the People of the Hills and "the oldest thing in England (http://www.answers.com/topic/england)", charms the children Dan and Una with a collection of tales and visitors out of England's past.
Puck plays a central role in Mark Chadbourn (http://www.answers.com/topic/mark-chadbourn)'s fantasy sequence, "Kingdom of the Serpent", comprising the novels "Jack of Ravens", "The Burning Man", and one yet to be published. Puck manipulates the heroes in an epic battle between good and evil over two thousand years of human history.
Pan, a Puck-like entity, is also a main character in Tom Robbins (http://www.answers.com/topic/tom-robbins)' novel Jitterbug Perfume (http://www.answers.com/topic/jitterbug-perfume).
The children's theater play Robin Goodfellow by Aurand Harris (http://www.answers.com/topic/aurand-harris) is a retelling of A Midsummer Night's Dream (http://www.answers.com/topic/a-midsummer-night-s-dream) from the point of view of Puck.
In popular culture

See Puck in popular culture (http://www.answers.com/topic/puck-in-popular-culture)

eternal_spirit

21-10-2010, 05:04 PM

Yes I know you were trying to pull my leg

No it is not a french woman visiting my relatives in Wigan

I do not have any relatives in Wigan or France

do you have any more recent pics and not from 1991?
A born Wiganer living in France with no relatives in either place fair enough. Does sound odd though from what you told me ages ago.

Yes on the photo thread, have you got a pic without sunglasses or not from a distance?

Puck is not Pan.

eternal_spirit

21-10-2010, 05:05 PM

do you have any more recent pics and not from 1991? how about you Marpa t and the other Freemasons on this forum

I am not a Mason.
You post a proper pic of yourself then go ed..man of mystery.

eternal_spirit

21-10-2010, 05:31 PM

Why what did I tell you ages ago,you appear to have crossed wires,I was born in Bolton and conceived in A/ton

Reet. Thought you said Winstanley. Bolton it is then, no wonder you left.

I have told you before that was not me with the sunglasses on

Okay can't remember.

you been smoking too much again:p
Not Today.

You are a Rosicrucian then.
No.
Why do you think that? You need to stop labelling people things they are not.

I am in the picture above,I will give a clue I am in the middle row.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1143/lightgiver022.th.jpg (http://img405.imageshack.us/i/lightgiver022.jpg/)

Man of mystery revealed nice frock you got on :D;)

marpat

21-10-2010, 09:20 PM

Once or twice :o

Anyway Marpa T where is your military background evidence ?

You do realise that by asking me to provide personal information that you are actually breaking forum rules.

marpat

21-10-2010, 09:51 PM

Asking for some military background evidence of which you claim is breaking forum rules?

I don't think so,nice try :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_engagement

Well the only way I could prove it is by giving personal details is it not? if you persist I will have to flag this up with a mod.

I dont see the need to bother anyway as you believe I am not a member, even though your disbelief does not impact on my wage packet.

Perhaps you broke some rules in Kuwait when you were shooting the place up. Who knows, you might have killed some civilians by not following the RoE. Why do you think this is acceptable?

lightgiver

21-10-2010, 11:02 PM

Well the only way I could prove it is by giving personal details is it not? if you persist I will have to flag this up with a mod.

I dont see the need to bother anyway as you believe I am not a member, even though your disbelief does not impact on my wage packet.

Perhaps you broke some rules in Kuwait when you were shooting the place up. Who knows, you might have killed some civilians by not following the RoE. Why do you think this is acceptable?

:rolleyes:

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=128743&page=19

I would hope this is none of you lovely posters, but in a big wild world who knows their luck!.
And kilgore mate if your still trolling about i suppose this was the standards of emotional &mental stability they are in nurturing in todays military for FFS FLAWED indeed!.http://images.watoday.com.au/2010/10/19/1995545/williams-420x0.jpg

:eek::D

You think he would have at least shaved

Thats one of the 1st things they teach in basic training

https://www.elliottmilitary.co.uk/catalog/images/S6%20RES.jpg

GAS GAS GAS

col kilgore

26-10-2010, 08:14 PM

Primeordial man
you make yourself out to be an expert pugilist, now pretty much everyone I've ever met who has boasted about being proficient or good at something are using it as a front to cover their own inadequacies. You're not a tough guy, if you were you would not be so vociferous in your defence. Truth is that hanging out in the gym probably allows you to look upon others with envy, or lust.
Trying to act tough and threatening to front me will only destroy the limited credibility you have. Should we ever meet, (unlikely) then if violence is your answer, fine, but trust me, I've seen too much in my life and have grown tired of it. I'll offer my hand of peace, should you want to offer violence in return then it will be your choice, and one you will end up having to live with.

You're not questioning the staus quo, you're trolling for a reaction. If you were questioning the SQ, then I'd give you a decent reply, but in all honesty, you're not really justifying it. Question anything you like, but ensure that the burden of proof lies upon you to qualify what you're saying, not just throwing stuff out there for the sake of it.

One point you might like to consider is that the British Officer class is traditionally made up of Graduates, with the improved University system they have and with inter Regimental recruitment it is no longer the preserve of the middle class, thus the demographic of "class" is more evenly spread out.

Also, having never been in combat ( BTW paintball doesn't count) ,how would you know and how can you surmise how good an individual is going to perform until he or she is under stress?. In fact, the Canadian sniper who, until recently held the record for the longest ever confirmed kill is openly gay. Someones sexuality, ehtnic type or skin colour has no bearing upon their combat ability, and you are naive and short sighted to think that it does.
Are you really so ignorant as to assume that Asia is seeking world domination?. please, the burden of proof lies upon you to justify and qualify such a flippant statement.

Really you contradict yourself at every turn, and are making yourself look like someone who's very insecure and lonely. I think that bravery is not one of your strong points, but don't feel any less of a man for it, try to turn it into a strength, don;t feel any less of yourself for never having been a soldier, just try to be a decent human being.

CK

primordialman

28-10-2010, 11:42 AM

Kilgore:

you make yourself out to be an expert pugilist, now pretty much everyone I've ever met who has boasted about being proficient or good at something are using it as a front to cover their own inadequacies. You're not a tough guy, if you were you would not be so vociferous in your defence. Truth is that hanging out in the gym probably allows you to look upon others with envy, or lust.

No, NO you read that wrong that was an exmple i used to describe the kind of boasts YOU are making I was not referring to myself at all !!
You should read that again your comprehension is lacking!.

Trying to act tough and threatening to front me will only destroy the limited credibility you have. Should we ever meet, (unlikely) then if violence is your answer, fine, but trust me, I've seen too much in my life and have grown tired of it. I'll offer my hand of peace, should you want to offer violence in return then it will be your choice, and one you will end up having to live with.

All the above is irrelevant because i was using the example to describe yourself!.

You're not questioning the staus quo, you're trolling for a reaction. If you were questioning the SQ, then I'd give you a decent reply, but in all honesty, you're not really justifying it. Question anything you like, but ensure that the burden of proof lies upon you to qualify what you're saying, not just throwing stuff out there for the sake of it.

Well i know one thing your certainly not here to question it, thats for SURE!.You appear to be a Tory through & through,ofcause to be in the military you must ofcause be both an authoritarian&conformist personality type. It would be true to say of myself that i wouldnt have this type of personality so thus I am not the ideal military type!.

One point you might like to consider is that the British Officer class is traditionally made up of Graduates, with the improved University system they have and with inter Regimental recruitment it is no longer the preserve of the middle class, thus the demographic of "class" is more evenly spread out.

I know nothing of the British system however i cant imagine it would that much different to the ADF afterall we usually imitate most things brit we are still a commonwealth nation especially as far as our civil services are concerned. In Australia recruitment companies are outsourced to hire for the ADF just like they do in just about every other industry these days.
Infact the ADF employ contractors to guard the army barracks huh what a joke they are not even ADF troops and some were arabs or muslims caught in a terrorist sting trying to blow the base up(holsworthy barracks Sydney Australia), in was in the News here a couple of years ago!.

Also, having never been in combat ( BTW paintball doesn't count) ,how would you know and how can you surmise how good an individual is going to perform until he or she is under stress?. In fact, the Canadian sniper who, until recently held the record for the longest ever confirmed kill is openly gay. Someones sexuality, ehtnic type or skin colour has no bearing upon their combat ability, and you are naive and short sighted to think that it does.
Are you really so ignorant as to assume that Asia is seeking world domination?. please, the burden of proof lies upon you to justify and qualify such a flippant statement.

Well you seem to be making many of those same generalisations about me without knowing me from adam so i guess its like the pot calling the kettle you know WHAT!

Really you contradict yourself at every turn, and are making yourself look like someone who's very insecure and lonely. I think that bravery is not one of your strong points, but don't feel any less of a man for it, try to turn it into a strength, don;t feel any less of yourself for never having been a soldier, just try to be a decent human being.

More unfounded judgements & presumptions keep them coming its like water off a ducks back to me. As for contradictions the worlds a contradictory at best so i fit right in!
For example just ask yourself why the world even needs militaries when national borders are not important any more,& when according to the UN, Corporate& Banker masters are conspiring for a United One World Corporation with a single currency thus making the reason for national defense obselete, think about that, also that in the next ten to 20 years theyll must likely have bots & drones to do all the combat duties & law enforcement another reason why flesh blood infantry will become obselete!.

col kilgore

30-10-2010, 01:18 PM

I did not misinterpret your post at all, and I have never boasted about being a tough guy, a fighter or made myself out to be anything other than what I am. I find it somewhat ignorant of you to be making comparisons to me and basically making up stuff which I haven't said. However, that aside, I urge you to read on.

I'm not a tory, in fact I hold politicians in nothing but utter contempt. I'm here on the forum to both learn the truth and also question the ludicrus. The fact I disagree with your comments regarding the military come from someone who has been in the military as a career option and knows it first hand, that doesn't mean to say I disagree with your views on NWO and Global Control, quite the opposite in fact.

One point you make toward the end of your reply is the development of Military technology using drones and other means. The reason for this is twofold, firstly because after a few years in the field military tech gets absorbed into Government agencies, such as the Customs, Police and Intelligence (although the more passive technology like Comms, encryption etc get shared after R&D has finished with them, the agressive stuff is held on to for longer) - The Metropolitan Police have access to and do use drones, as do the Customs, Excise and Intelligence services - they are not "owned" by the agencies though, they're still very much under MOD control although as time goes on and the military move onto the next phase of their technology, they will get them passed on (like GPS for instance) .
Secondly, as you say, military technology is now very much in the electronic era. they've pretty much reached the pinnacle when it comes to blowing stuff up and making munitions that can penetrate half a mile underground. The future lies in not only the unseen agressor, 40k feet up designating and identifying a target, but also giving that drone the ability to designate the right target and essentially make it's own decision. It is not so much the munitions and ordnance themselves that needs any more advancing, but the delivery systems therein.

First strike in Gulf War one and two was very important, but does it become so today when you have airborne drones capable of striking anywhere in the world with complete impunity?. Hence your correct and perfectly feasible comment about the flesh and blood soldier. He is becoming less and less a battlefield pawn and more of an equipment operator.
This then lends itself to this question, if you have drones operating with autonomous control, then not only do you negate the chance of a military coup, you also have the perfect weapon for mass civil control, because the psychological effect of a drone attack (unseen - similar principle to a sniper or SRP) upon a professional soldier is pretty devastating, what would it do to the general public?.

One more point which you made and I'll pick up on, you mention the corporations having a big hand in things, you're spot on, because just remember it is they who bankroll the private Security Companies, and the private "research" companies developing the hardware. I hope you'll agree that many of them are Govt fronts so they then have plausible deniability and a nice way to launder some cash for the big corporations while at the same time "buying" their own interests and favourable contracts.

However,

If the Soldier is going to be defunct in a few years time, then whats the point of criticising him or her now?.

CK

primordialman

03-11-2010, 03:53 AM

If the Soldier is going to be defunct in a few years time, then whats the point of criticising him or her now?.

Well quite simply as I have already made abundantly clear in this thread no civil service should be above the law or above criticism yet in Australia the Military is just that, and seem to me to be moving into dangerous territory in terms of democracy!.
This does not refer to the british military I am referring to the ADF,special forces etc and some murky war crimes claims that have come to light recently in their time in afghanistan like claims of shooting afghan civilians especially women & children!
Now no military should be protected from their government when troops are gulity of this, yet in Aus they are shielded bipartisan style by all politicians of all political parties this is not democratic behaviour considering it is ultimately the taxpayer that foots the bill for the militaries in whatever nation concerned.
Any nation that doesnt think their civilans have the right to criticise their military or any other civil service is moving into dangerous territory for civil liberties and democracy that is the point of my critcism in this thread.

Secondly as member of the military you know more than most that in times of a state of emergency/martial law being declared you may ofcause be asked to suppress your civilian population especially if the economic situation in your nation or mine was to lead to riots or civil unrest government may ofcause ask you to fire on your civilian pop.
Put in such a situation "what would YOU do" I would assume you would put aside all personal convictions and just do as you are ordered like any good soldier!

Police states, martial law are real possbilities in the near future infact it could be declared any day any time in just about any western nation Alex Jones on prisonplanet.com has constantly reminds his US audience of such very imminent possbilities and those of us more cynical of authority e.g. anarchist,social libertarians etc.. are constantly vigilant when it comes to keeping an eye on governments, corps and our civil liberties in relation to these so called pillars of the TPTB. After all rights and democracy cannot be taken for granted in anglo western nations either in my experience!.

marpat

03-11-2010, 12:51 PM

Kilgore:

No, NO you read that wrong that was an exmple i used to describe the kind of boasts YOU are making I was not referring to myself at all !!
You should read that again your comprehension is lacking!.

All the above is irrelevant because i was using the example to describe yourself!.

Well i know one thing your certainly not here to question it, thats for SURE!.You appear to be a Tory through & through,ofcause to be in the military you must ofcause be both an authoritarian&conformist personality type. It would be true to say of myself that i wouldnt have this type of personality so thus I am not the ideal military type!.

I know nothing of the British system however i cant imagine it would that much different to the ADF afterall we usually imitate most things brit we are still a commonwealth nation especially as far as our civil services are concerned. In Australia recruitment companies are outsourced to hire for the ADF just like they do in just about every other industry these days.
Infact the ADF employ contractors to guard the army barracks huh what a joke they are not even ADF troops and some were arabs or muslims caught in a terrorist sting trying to blow the base up(holsworthy barracks Sydney Australia), in was in the News here a couple of years ago!.

Well you seem to be making many of those same generalisations about me without knowing me from adam so i guess its like the pot calling the kettle you know WHAT!

More unfounded judgements & presumptions keep them coming its like water off a ducks back to me. As for contradictions the worlds a contradictory at best so i fit right in!
For example just ask yourself why the world even needs militaries when national borders are not important any more,& when according to the UN, Corporate& Banker masters are conspiring for a United One World Corporation with a single currency thus making the reason for national defense obselete, think about that, also that in the next ten to 20 years theyll must likely have bots & drones to do all the combat duties & law enforcement another reason why flesh blood infantry will become obselete!.

I thought you were a christian? why worry about wars and all sorts of nasty things when jesus tells you not to?

lightgiver

03-11-2010, 08:45 PM

primordialman

04-11-2010, 05:36 AM

marfat: I thought you were a christian? why worry about wars and all sorts of nasty things when jesus tells you not to?

:rolleyes:Was this some kind of pissweak attempt to patronise me!.Your posts are getting stupider to me each time.You follow me around the forum constantly trying to bait me, well I am not taking the bait any longer so try someone else! From this point on your just another to add to my IGNORE list!.

marpat

04-11-2010, 07:19 AM

marfat:

:rolleyes:Was this some kind of pissweak attempt to patronise me!.Your posts are getting stupider to me each time.You follow me around the forum constantly trying to bait me, well I am not taking the bait any longer so try someone else! From this point on your just another to add to my IGNORE list!.

I see. When have I followed you around the forum? I have hardly come across you except in here so perhaps you are just having a delusional episode.

Ignore lists are for those who have lost the power of debate

I notice you mockingly abuse my username. Are cristians allowed to mock others?

lightgiver

04-11-2010, 03:26 PM

The total number of casualties in World War I, both military and civilian, were about 37 million: 16 million deaths and 21 million wounded. The total number of deaths includes 9.7 million military personnel and about 6.8 million civilians. The Entente Powers (also known as the Allies) lost about 5.7 million soldiers while the Central Powers lost about 4 million.

Blackadder - How did the war start?

http://www.madisonmasoniccenter.org/images/square_compass_modern.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk37TD_08eA

1 things for sure Baldrick that Marpa geezer is not in any military only pretending to be, a lot like that estranger Mercenary fraud who suffers from tourrettes,along with the geezer who is waiting for a bus.

I can see them all now typing away in the MI5 offices, LOL

Marpa is even on here first thing in the morning, afternoon and evening ?

pretending to bee something they are not

04-11-2010, 08:12 AM........04-11-2010, 08:19 AM ...........04-11-2010, 01:31 PM ........;do you carry your laptop around with you on operations

did you not go to bed last night

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Il_Condottiere.jpg/433px-Il_Condottiere.jpg

Military my arse, and anyone who falls for your crap needs their head seeing to.

talk about desperate

BTW do you have a baby in each arm and one on your back whilst you are typing propaganda

lightgiver

04-11-2010, 03:41 PM

Gangs of Iraq: military quietly enlisting thousands of active gang members

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3244/gangsofiraq.jpg (http://img203.imageshack.us/i/gangsofiraq.jpg/)

http://www.madisonmasoniccenter.org/images/square_compass_modern.gif

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/gangs-of-iraq-military-quietly-enlisting-thousands-of-active-gang-members/

marpat

04-11-2010, 06:14 PM

1 things for sure Baldrick that Marpa geezer is not in any military only pretending to be, a lot like that estranger Mercenary fraud who suffers from tourrettes,along with the geezer who is waiting for a bus.

I can see them all now typing away in the MI5 offices, LOL

Marpa is even on here first thing in the morning, afternoon and evening ?

pretending to bee something they are not

04-11-2010, 08:12 AM........04-11-2010, 08:19 AM ...........04-11-2010, 01:31 PM ........;do you carry your laptop around with you on operations

did you not go to bed last night

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0b/Il_Condottiere.jpg/433px-Il_Condottiere.jpg

Military my arse, and anyone who falls for your crap needs their head seeing to.

talk about desperate

BTW do you have a baby in each arm and one on your back whilst you are typing propaganda

lol, boasts you with your fake french commando medal. Did you get that for running away from the enemy?

Why would MI5 be interested in you? you are only any good at cut and paste jobs while at the same time acting as if you are the only person who existed that ever wore a uniform, pretending that you are some sort of expert on everybody elses careers and experience. You think a few fake pics of yourself posted in the forum qualifies you are something?

eternal_spirit

04-11-2010, 06:25 PM

Is it that time of the month again? you two with your spat that's gone on for years now...:D

Will you ever kiss and make up? Or just more kirkby cyber kisses....(you might not get that one)

lightgiver

04-11-2010, 06:38 PM

lol, boasts you with your fake french commando medal. Did you get that for running away from the enemy?

Why would MI5 be interested in you? you are only any good at cut and paste jobs while at the same time acting as if you are the only person who existed that ever wore a uniform, pretending that you are some sort of expert on everybody elses careers and experience. You think a few fake pics of yourself posted in the forum qualifies you are something?

The only Fake around here is you :)

Bob Marley & the Wailers -- Night Shift - YouTube

I am sure MI5 show interest in this forum.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51I0%2BgO8ycL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Aleister Crowley is best known today as a founding father of modern occultism. His wide, hypnotic eyes peer at us from the cover of The Beatles’ Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, and his influence can be found everywhere in popular culture.

Crowley, also known as the Great Beast, has been the subject of several biographies, some painting him as a misunderstood genius, others as a manipulative charlatan. None of them have looked seriously at his career as an agent of British Intelligence.

Using documents gleaned from British, American, French, and Italian archives, Secret Agent 666 sensationally reveals that Crowley played a major role in the sinking of the Lusitania, a plot to overthrow the government of Spain, the thwarting of Irish and Indian nationalist conspiracies, and the 1941 flight of Rudolf Hess.

Author Richard B. Spence argues that Crowley—in his own unconventional way—was a patriotic Englishman who endured years of public vilification in part to mask his role as a secret agent.

The verification of the Great Beast’s participation in the twentieth century’s most astounding government plots will likely blow the minds of history buff s and occult aficionados alike.

Author Richard B. Spence can be seen on various documentaries on the History Channel and is a consultant for Washington, DC’s International Spy Museum. He is also the author of Trust No One: The Secret World of Sidney Reilly (Feral House).

http://www.newdawnbooks.info/Reviews/SECRET_AGENT_666.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1326409&mesg_id=1326442

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=141553

marpat

05-11-2010, 09:52 PM

I bought that book and its shit. Have you read it?

lightgiver

05-11-2010, 10:31 PM

I bought that book and its shit. Have you read it?

Wasted your money then

speaking of shit

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103968

marpat

06-11-2010, 05:56 PM

Wasted your money then

speaking of shit

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103968

Still bouncing off the rubber wallpaper then?

lightgiver

06-11-2010, 08:19 PM

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4879/f5a00c3cb3ndablejpg.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/f5a00c3cb3ndablejpg.jpg/)

marpat

06-11-2010, 08:25 PM

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/4879/f5a00c3cb3ndablejpg.jpg (http://img521.imageshack.us/i/f5a00c3cb3ndablejpg.jpg/)

Love the uniforms :D

entrangermercenary

07-11-2010, 06:23 PM

Hey at least you 2 talk to each other and have a row :D...

marpat

08-11-2010, 12:37 PM

Hey at least you 2 talk to each other and have a row :D...

Better be careful he might accuse you of being a freemason

lightgiver

08-11-2010, 06:09 PM

Why would MI5 be interested in you?

and you know who you are :p

Why would I want MI5 to be interested in me :confused:

they are losers :D

http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/6879/tumblrl29hx6uuws1qaycgr.jpg (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/tumblrl29hx6uuws1qaycgr.jpg/)

There are various meanings ascribed to the monkeys and the proverb including associations with being of good mind, speech and action. In the western world the phrase is often used to refer to those who deal with impropriety by looking the other way, refusing to acknowledge it, or feigning ignorance.

Sometimes there is a fourth monkey depicted with the three others; the last one, Shizaru, symbolizes the principle of "do no evil". He may be shown crossing his arms.

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/329/mudra2.jpg (http://img822.imageshack.us/i/mudra2.jpg/)

marpat

10-11-2010, 08:53 PM

lol, third time you have reposted that same post. You must be desperate to chat with me. I dont blame you, most of the morons in here have little to say.

marpat

10-11-2010, 10:58 PM

O Nosey one who came forth from Hermopolis, I have not re posted.

How have I re posted it Three times?

yes it has gone all quiet on the Masonic front :p

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16102&page=26

27. Proclaimer of Voice who came forth from Wenis, I have not confounded (truth).

28. I have not purposely misconstrued the truth.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Nectanebo_II_obelisk.jpg/450px-Nectanebo_II_obelisk.jpg

http://www.writing.com/main/handler/item_id/1350597-The-Final-Judgement

lol, still rambling. Never mind Robert, if you give me your home address I will send you that rubber wallpaper for xmas. I must tell you though that I am straight and not really looking for an internet relationship as it is clear you have a bit of a fixation with me :D

marpat

10-11-2010, 11:06 PM

Here I was exposing government corruption on the below thread and who pops along per usual

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=118245

Wow, you were exposing all that? I feel so much safer already :rolleyes:

eternal_spirit

13-11-2010, 03:18 PM

lightgiver

13-11-2010, 03:43 PM

:D

Is feckin speechless almost lol.

Kirby kiss is scouse slang for a head butt in Kirby. My dad used to work around there and he would see people scavenging on the tips on his way to work, they'd be up early to get the richest pickings amongst the rubbish dumps..80's Britain.

Boys from the blackstuff, Yoser Hughes "Gis a job." A bunch of unemployed men were having a drink down thier local and Alan Bleasdale came in and said "hey boys do you want to make a TV series? All you have to do is learn the scipt and be yourself."

Of course they fitted right in with t he roles which were very similar to their real lives of poverty.

Gissa job go on I can do that ;)

This is why politicians and the like will never know what the real world is,

they create the mess that we have to wade through on a daily basis.

Yosser Hughes - Gizza Job - Boys from the Blackstuff - YouTube

somethings never change.

How long before the people take their blinkers off?

lightgiver

13-11-2010, 09:05 PM

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. Over 60 million people were killed. The tables below give a detailed country-by-country count of human losses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/Tarawa_beach_HD-SN-99-03001.JPEG/742px-Tarawa_beach_HD-SN-99-03001.JPEG

Total dead

World War II casualty statistics vary greatly. Estimates of total dead range from 50 million to over 70 million.[1] The sources cited on this page document an estimated death toll in World War II of 62 to 78 million, making it the deadliest war ever. When scholarly sources differ on the number of deaths in a country, a range of war losses is given, in order to inform readers that the death toll is disputed. Civilians killed totaled from 40 to 52 million, including 13 to 20 million from war-related disease and famine. Total military dead: from 22 to 25 million, including deaths in captivity of about 5 million prisoners of war.

http://www.takeoverworld.info/images/Wall_Street_And_The_Rise_of_Hitler.jpg

Professor Antony Sutton: Wall Street & the rise of Hitler 1

Professor Antony Sutton: Wall Street & the rise of Hitler 1 - YouTube

World War II casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lightgiver

17-11-2010, 02:53 PM

Those killing American Christian soldiers must be proud wearing their medal :eek:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8984/medalofhonor.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/medalofhonor.jpg/)

You might wake up one day;I am not holding my breath though.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/272/sealofbaphometsvg.png (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/sealofbaphometsvg.png/)

The upside-down facing pentagram, meanwhile, represents the physical world ruling over the spiritual, and has therefore been associated with dark magic

Pentagram - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Medal of Honor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fools Rush In (Where Angels Fear To Tread)

You shall not kill/murder.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/TRANSCRIPT/k/986
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/11/christ-bryan-fischer-feminized-medal-honor-military

col kilgore

20-11-2010, 09:04 PM

I think this thread has lost its way somewhat.

distraction ,agree, sidestep and close.

classic. Nicely done.

CK

lightgiver

30-01-2011, 11:03 AM

I think this thread has lost its way somewhat.

distraction ,agree, sidestep and close.

classic. Nicely done.

CK

Fine go! You've stayed your hour!
Fine go! You've stayed your hour! - YouTube