9/11 has been analysed to be false!!!

[carlo]

Just look at this new analysed video of the Twin Towers that show the official version was a fake. This compelling new evidence shows that we were not told the truth by the PTB, and that we were lied to by their own manipulative video footage.

http://www.richplanet.net/911.php

[kbeet]

Just look at this new analysed video of the Twin Towers that show the official version was a fake. This compelling new evidence shows that we were not told the truth by the PTB. And that we were lied to by their own manipulative video footage.

http://www.richplanet.net/911.php

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

[d_duck]

Kerry,

Its 2010 and no one falls for the BS you guys are trying to push.

You were there in New York, hahaha, give me a break, you have to do better then that if you want to spread disinfo,lol.


Best
D.Duck

[merlincove]

i wondered if we would be able to have a discussion on 911 without people falling out :rolleyes:

i wondered it for .2 of a second and dissmissed it as wishfull thinking hunkum.

:o

[carlo]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

You are just one of those people that believe everything that's fed to you by the media and without question - a FOOL! You can't even spell "New York" properly, so how do I know you were really there?

And why should I tell lies about it, I have nothing to gain by doing so - unlike the media etc.

[kooskoets]

I have never considered the "ball" a REAL object though it's interesting.
Only brings in another of those "secret technologies" that are hard to check or discuss.

Funny how there is "one of the eight witnesses_who_saw_and_heard_planes" on this forum.
What are the odds ? :)

[noewhan]

I can see wings on 'the ball'. They start off fuzzy & get clearer but the silly yellow arrow covers the one which would've been visible.

He mentions nothing about the debris which was found on rooftops & on the street. And please, if that's faked how did they do it?

[carlo]

I can see wings on 'the ball'. They start off fuzzy & get clearer but the silly yellow arrow covers the one which would've been visible.

He mentions nothing about the debris which was found on rooftops & on the street. And please, if that's faked how did they do it?

Have you not been listening?, videos these days can be easily faked. I would suggest you look around on his site a bit more, he does talk about the debris.

[dusthead]

I am loathe to reply on this thread as 9/11 is always a big bunch of stress...

However, am I the only person who thinks that the bloke in the video makes a hell of a lot of assumptions? He assumes it's a ball, assumes where it is, assumes where it's going, assumes where the camera is etc, etc, etc...

It didn't appear to be a water-tight theory by any means.

This is not intended to back-up any particular side of the argument, I just didn't think the bloke was very convincing in his arguments. It appears to be a bit of a duff documentary.

Please don't hate me. I hate it when people hate other people on 9/11 threads.

I'm just making an observation.

[kooskoets]

Good observation, dusthead.

He might just try to cover up one lie with another.
Some "magic flying ball" just doesn't seem right.

Witches on broomsticks and such must be just around the corner.

[stannrodd]

"Please do not be duped by this fakery ..."

This last line from the video .. sums up the video IMO.

Interesting though ... but it relies on way too many assumptions.

I still say it was a plane .. but not a 767 passenger plane as alleged .. more likely a tanker.

[thespiritforce]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

Yes, you're in or was in new yotk/New York and how old are you my little man?

YOU saw THE JETS hit the BUILDINGS? Let me get this straight...you saw both jets hit the WTC buildings...one each at a time, as in YOU saw the 1st. one and then the 2nd. one too hit? :confused: And all those people, everyone, screem/scream to there/their death...right? Again, :confused:

[bryan]

He mentions nothing about the debris which was found on rooftops & on the street. And please, if that's faked how did they do it?

Even the pilots for 9/11 truth say it's obvious the piece of fuselage was planted.

[thespiritforce]

Have you not been listening?, videos these days can be easily faked. I would suggest you look around on his site a bit more, he does talk about the debris.

Hey! keep it down...we don't want that getting out. ;)

[thespiritforce]

I am loathe to reply on this thread as 9/11 is always a big bunch of stress...

However, am I the only person who thinks that the bloke in the video makes a hell of a lot of assumptions? He assumes it's a ball, assumes where it is, assumes where it's going, assumes where the camera is etc, etc, etc...

It didn't appear to be a water-tight theory by any means.

This is not intended to back-up any particular side of the argument, I just didn't think the bloke was very convincing in his arguments. It appears to be a bit of a duff documentary.

Please don't hate me. I hate it when people hate other people on 9/11 threads.

I'm just making an observation.

Well, I do know what you can hate and that is what in Sam's hell is on the bottom of that one jet...yeah, hate that part of THE TRUTH...that you nor anyone will ever change. But, I am sure you have a very good explanation for that weird piece of extra part on the bottom of that very Jet that ran into one of TWC buildings...Right? :confused:

[thespiritforce]

Even the pilots for 9/11 truth say it's obvious the piece of fuselage was planted.

More like...very obvious, as in a blind man could have seen that! :rolleyes:

[thespiritforce]

Yeah, you know what my Brother-in-Law said, about 9-11 being an inside job? He said and I quote him..."If that were true...that it was, in fact, as it was, I say, an inside job by our own Gov. I would pack my stuff today and leave the country."

Well, I told him he better start packing! :eek:

Oh! and have they ever yet found out why Building #7 imploded and went down just like BOTH The Twin Towers did...when, in fact, no plane or nothing else, for that matter, hit Building #7? :confused:

OH! But wait...Rumsfeld: 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY before 9-11 ...now, just maybe now...that was the real reason for 9-11 as it sure as hell wasn't in the news anymore, but also we had a real good excuse to attack Iraq and steal their Oil and we seem to can't wait to hit Iran next...well, after we clean up Afghanistan and all the Opium, as in 90% of the worlds Opium comes from good old Afghan....and since we here in the good old USA use about half or nearly all Opiates in our pain pills...hell, why not? :eek:

But also...Thank God for good ol' Tony Blair coming to our rescue and being one of The Willing to go to War with us...Hip, hip Hoo-ra for UK!

HEY! I KNOW...while we are at we can also discover what hit The Pentagon too...right where all the records were about the 2.3 Trillion Dollars that came up MISSING one day before 9-11 hit us all ...yes, here is someone that has a clue...

General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud! - YouTube

Not enough info for you...no prob-lem-mo...

The pentagon was not hit by a airliner. See for yourself - YouTube

[rodin]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

Liar. Impossible

[rodin]

"Please do not be duped by this fakery ..."

This last line from the video .. sums up the video IMO.

Interesting though ... but it relies on way too many assumptions.

I still say it was a plane .. but not a 767 passenger plane as alleged .. more likely a tanker.

Yes

The Jewish crime gang had control over the air bases where the flights were switched. That's why transponders were turned off. Passengers were probably told it was part of the exercise

[merlincove]

what he says in the video, for the most part is pretty plausable, imo, altho there are a few holes worth looking at.

If there was video fakery, and a plane had been superimposed on the video footage over a mysterious object, as is being suggested, then i'm pretty confident that TPTB would have removed the original object in it's entirety before applying the plane over it. You wouldn't see a pod at all if the 'pod' was actually a 'ball' being overlain by a plane image.

It is quite easy to remove the object, or even to lighten it so as to make it less apparent. There is absolutely no reason why there would be any external aspect of a ball evident in any doctored footage if the scenario described has any base in fact.

Remove the mysterious object, effect a colour graduation over the footage where the object traced, insert plane over that same trace line and there would be absolutely no evidence of the original object.

Technology would allow for such, even in a short space of time - a skilled technician could effect that construct in less than an hour, in a mobile (van) stationed nearby - simply record the mysterious object on cam (as was suggested), deposit the cam into the mobile site, and an hour later the footage is released to CNN.

A good theory, but i'm still not convinced.

There is no way the original object would remain in view if what he is saying has any basis in truth and it was overlaid with a plane image.

So is the original footage of the 'ball' from the air view an aspect of camera distortion? im not sure on this one, as the ball doesn't appear to have wings.

For sure there may have been something attached to the fuselage, as has been discussed, and there are questions concerning the 'fade to black' aspect from chopper5 (?) but i can't really see any aspects of what this guy is saying to carry any weight, other than the mathamatical correlations he's drawn with the flight path and what appears to be 'not a plane' - but any assumption as to what the ball is, is only assumption.

[graflok]

If there was video fakery, and a plane had been superimposed on the video footage over a mysterious object, as is being suggested, then i'm pretty confident that TPTB would have removed the original object in it's entirety before applying the plane over it.

But, then there is the "nose out" error which is more glaring than the pod, IMO.
So, why didn't they correct that error then?

I'm not necessarily championing this "ball" theory -- I'm undecided about that.

I'm just asking for the sake of discussion.

[dangermouse]

as far as the ball goes I also see wings when it gets closer .. reminds me of a Fr. Ted episode ..

http://www.toyfarmers.co.uk/images/farm_animals.jpg
small

http://ilovecob.com/wp-content/files/cowfield.jpg

far away

[kooskoets]

Originally Posted by merlincove View Post

If there was video fakery, and a plane had been superimposed on the video footage over a mysterious object, as is being suggested, then i'm pretty confident that TPTB would have removed the original object in it's entirety before applying the plane over it.

I don't think "they" would need to do that. ( remove the "ball" ).

What this video suggests is that the fakers were working with 3-dimensional objects and that's bs.
The were faking FILM and that's a two dimensional space.

Also that "ball" for sure is not a plane or a rocket.
It is some cheap CGI.

BTW: if there was no video fakery that day, why can't we have the original high quality footage ?
If the footage was real, we would have it all.

[infidelyork]

My view about 911 has always been that it was 'an inside job'. But quite frankly, isn't it easier to 'get the job done' just by flying planes into the buildings rather than messing about with video footage and hoping nobody was 'looking up' at the time?
Surely the easiest option is the better. I want to pretend terrorists have flown planes into buildings. So, do I fly planes into buildings or... do I mock up CGI, witnesses, plant evidence etc. If I was the Government, I would have just crashed the planes and be done with it.

Some interesting stuff on the video, not sure I'm buying the 'ball' thing though.

[egokiller]

New 9/11 Analysis Reveals Use of Hidden Technology

Richard D Hall's computer model raises a few eyebrows!...what do we think?
Maybe the "No Planers" were right all along...? Check it out!

Watch it here too...http://www.blip.tv/file/3960058/

[krakhead]

Interesting!

[thespiritforce]

Yeah, you know what my Brother-in-Law said, about 9-11 being an inside job? He said and I quote him..."If that were true...that it was, in fact, as it was, I say, an inside job by our own Gov. I would pack my stuff today and leave the country."

Well, I told him he better start packing! :eek:

Oh! and have they ever yet found out why Building #7 imploded and went down just like BOTH The Twin Towers did...when, in fact, no plane or nothing else, for that matter, hit Building #7? :confused:

OH! But wait...Rumsfeld: 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon 1 DAY before 9-11 ...now, just maybe now...that was the real reason for 9-11 as it sure as hell wasn't in the news anymore, but also we had a real good excuse to attack Iraq and steal their Oil and we seem to can't wait to hit Iran next...well, after we clean up Afghanistan and all the Opium, as in 90% of the worlds Opium comes from good old Afghan....and since we here in the good old USA use about half or nearly all Opiates in our pain pills...hell, why not? :eek:

But also...Thank God for good ol' Tony Blair coming to our rescue and being one of The Willing to go to War with us...Hip, hip Hoo-ra for UK!

HEY! I KNOW...while we are at we can also discover what hit The Pentagon too...right where all the records were about the 2.3 Trillion Dollars that came up MISSING one day before 9-11 hit us all ...yes, here is someone that has a clue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E&feature=player_embedded

Not enough info for you...no prob-lem-mo...if J can get them to stay up

http://www.richplanet.net/911.php

http://www.richplanet.net/group.php?thegroup=11

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmP2Vy8K0i0&feature=player_embedded

Ok

[thespiritforce]

So...Why don't you just sum it all up and say one way or another if you think or not it was an inside job? Just yes or no...will due. TY, Ron...for me and my piece of mind.:)

what he says in the video, for the most part is pretty plausable, imo, altho there are a few holes worth looking at.

If there was video fakery, and a plane had been superimposed on the video footage over a mysterious object, as is being suggested, then i'm pretty confident that TPTB would have removed the original object in it's entirety before applying the plane over it. You wouldn't see a pod at all if the 'pod' was actually a 'ball' being overlain by a plane image.

It is quite easy to remove the object, or even to lighten it so as to make it less apparent. There is absolutely no reason why there would be any external aspect of a ball evident in any doctored footage if the scenario described has any base in fact.

Remove the mysterious object, effect a colour graduation over the footage where the object traced, insert plane over that same trace line and there would be absolutely no evidence of the original object.

Technology would allow for such, even in a short space of time - a skilled technician could effect that construct in less than an hour, in a mobile (van) stationed nearby - simply record the mysterious object on cam (as was suggested), deposit the cam into the mobile site, and an hour later the footage is released to CNN.

A good theory, but i'm still not convinced.

There is no way the original object would remain in view if what he is saying has any basis in truth and it was overlaid with a plane image.

So is the original footage of the 'ball' from the air view an aspect of camera distortion? im not sure on this one, as the ball doesn't appear to have wings.

For sure there may have been something attached to the fuselage, as has been discussed, and there are questions concerning the 'fade to black' aspect from chopper5 (?) but i can't really see any aspects of what this guy is saying to carry any weight, other than the mathamatical correlations he's drawn with the flight path and what appears to be 'not a plane' - but any assumption as to what the ball is, is only assumption.

[lobsang]

very interesting

[thespiritforce]

My view about 911 has always been that it was 'an inside job'. But quite frankly, isn't it easier to 'get the job done' just by flying planes into the buildings rather than messing about with video footage and hoping nobody was 'looking up' at the time?
Surely the easiest option is the better. I want to pretend terrorists have flown planes into buildings. So, do I fly planes into buildings or... do I mock up CGI, witnesses, plant evidence etc. If I was the Government, I would have just crashed the planes and be done with it.

Some interesting stuff on the video, not sure I'm buying the 'ball' thing though.

Well, what about The Pentagon being hit by a plane/Jet 776 no less...seems there also they didn't want nor did use a plane/Jet to destroy where the records were kept about the MISSING/STOLLEN 2.3 Trillion Dollars that they were talking about, all over the news, the day before 9-11?

And what about the plane/Jet crash in the field...which I never saw any plane/Jet crash, as far as looking like one did in comparison to all other plane crashes I have seen?

The BIG QUESTION IS...Where are all those people that were on all those planes they claimed to of had accidents?

[infidelyork]

Well, what about The Pentagon being hit by a plane/Jet 776 no less....

And what about the plane/Jet crash in the field..

Don't get me wrong, I totally and utterly agree with you!!

I personally feel that the Pentagon and flight 93 were 'easier to do' if that makes sense? A classified building so no worries about 'random filming' and a middle of a field. Easy to fake, just say they happened and that's it. Throw in a couple of 'witnesses' and a couple of frames of cctv and who's to know!

But 'pretending' that two planes crashed into the World Trade Centre seems, as I've said before, too much work. Why not just do it? They have the technology, and the means. Why 'fake video' when they could just do the real thing?

[air_bn]

Ever thought the footage shown was deliberately misleading and vague, to create all these theories?
This mysterious flying anti-gravity weapon presumeably driven by the "Hutchinson effect" is yet another in a long list of speculative guesses based on unprovable evidence given an airing.

Undoubtedly, 911 the false flag event for the 21st century included many pseudo-technological red herrings too;)

[robdoo]

ex-squeeze me?

[aurora025]

The spindoctors do keep us busy with new theories all the time.

[lobuk]

Very good video regardless of personal opinions.

I dont usually take much notice of the No Plane theories but thats about the best one ive seen.

Always best to keep an open mind to all possibilities and not get stuck in beliefs. Anything is possible in the mega crazy reality we are experiencing.

After all, its a new real unbiased investigation that is required first and foremost which will hopefully bring us closer to the real truth and those responsible.

[lobuk]

Very good and interesting video regardless of personal opinions.

I dont usually take much notice of the No Plane theories but thats about the best one ive seen.

Always best to keep an open mind to all possibilities and not get stuck in beliefs. Anything is possible in the mega crazy reality we are experiencing.

After all, its a new real unbiased investigation that is required first and foremost which will hopefully bring us closer to the real truth and those responsible.

[ex sheep]

Just when you think you got it sussed, along comes a bright spark and fucks it all up :D

Will we even find the truth about anything :(

Keep the mind open guys, take everything in......... and then what do we do with it :D

[thespiritforce]

Yes, now someone talking like they have some sense. I mean come on...how dumb do they think we really are anyway? No one is completely stupid and looks like me and this guy here, sure as hell, aren't either. :cool:

Don't get me wrong, I totally and utterly agree with you!!

I personally feel that the Pentagon and flight 93 were 'easier to do' if that makes sense? A classified building so no worries about 'random filming' and a middle of a field. Easy to fake, just say they happened and that's it. Throw in a couple of 'witnesses' and a couple of frames of cctv and who's to know!

But 'pretending' that two planes crashed into the World Trade Centre seems, as I've said before, too much work. Why not just do it? They have the technology, and the means. Why 'fake video' when they could just do the real thing?

[thedefender]

I think its always important to take a look at everything and not to dismiss any information. Despite this theory or point of view I think the author could have added more weight to his video/infomation.

One piece of info I believe he could/should have included was the fact that the architects stated in a 9/11 documentary that they specifically built the WTC towers to withstand a commercial airline impact. I believe they even said that the either tower could have withstood multiple impacts.

I can't find the video right now. Its out there and is relatively known. I believe it is part of the same documentary where Larry Silvertein stated "Pull it".

In conclusion, I believe such articles and pieces of info like that could have added to the "no plane" theory.

[noewhan]

I think its always important to take a look at everything and not to dismiss any information. Despite this theory or point of view I think the author could have added more weight to his video/infomation.

One piece of info I believe he could/should have included was the fact that the architects stated in a 9/11 documentary that they specifically built the WTC towers to withstand a commercial airline impact. I believe they even said that the either tower could have withstood multiple impacts.

I can't find the video right now. Its out there and is relatively known. I believe it is part of the same documentary where Larry Silvertein stated "Pull it".

In conclusion, I believe such articles and pieces of info like that could have added to the "no plane" theory.

I think that's from an Alex Jones film. In Martial Law it has the segment from Larry... But not the "withstand a commercial airline impact". You've got me looking too :)

Here's a list of AJs films:
http://www.infowars.com/features/alex_jones_movies/

[urbanmonk]

Just when you think you got it sussed, along comes a bright spark and fucks it all up :D

Will we even find the truth about anything :(

Keep the mind open guys, take everything in......... and then what do we do with it :D

Does it really matter if you never suss exactly how they did it?

All that matters is the one thing everyone of the various theories points to, and that is 9/11 was an inside job carried out with the help of Israel.

As a result of this lie two countries and countless millions have been killed.

[thedefender]

I found it. There are a couple of others...I will keep looking.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Also in this clip....there is something peculiar. Im not hearing the sound of jet engines....just rumbling.

What Hit the South Tower? - YouTube

[merlincove]

So...Why don't you just sum it all up and say one way or another if you think or not it was an inside job? Just yes or no...will due. TY, Ron...for me and my piece of mind.:)

oh for sure it was an inside job dude, no question from me there, no arguement from me there :D

the only thing to find out is the depth of the lies we were told ;)

[thedefender]

I don't believe this....

Piece of debris w/ part number, CNN, 09/12, 01:10 - YouTube

This eyewitness says nothing about a plane.

Key 9/11 witness "commits suicide" - YouTube

[merlincove]

But, then there is the "nose out" error which is more glaring than the pod, IMO.
So, why didn't they correct that error then?

I'm not necessarily championing this "ball" theory -- I'm undecided about that.

I'm just asking for the sake of discussion.

That's a good point grafolk :D

the fade to black is definately suspect, a smoking gun really, and yes, by all definitions and reason, given the lengths tptb went to, they should have done a better job of it, i know if i were covering this up, i'd have done a better job.

like you, i'm not championing any theory, be it plane or no plane, i'm just looking at the 'evidence' we have available to us and trying to see both aspects from both POV's - and i think that's the best way to look at it.

Look at plane theory and dissect it, see the holes (if you'll forgive the pun) and try and put answers to the questions raised by the flaws - and likewise do the same with no plane theory.

And then maybe you will have somethin to work with without a bias.

But of course the questioning mind then says, hey, ten years on, is this footage 'authentic' in respect of has it been edited recently, rather than back in the day?

[merlincove]

I don't believe this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayxSP-Hksps&feature=related



Excuse me, but i just fell of my chair :rolleyes:

Did i miss anything lol :D

[thedefender]

Excuse me, but i just fell of my chair :rolleyes:

Did i miss anything lol :D

LOL...what I meant by that is the fact how does a piece of debris land so perfectly (right side up) which says Boeing on it. ;)

[merlincove]

LOL...what I meant by that is the fact how does a piece of debris land so perfectly (right side up) which says Boeing on it. ;)

:D

that's what made me fall off my chair :eek:

and i didn't even land right side up lol

The extremes that we're expected to swallow are laughable aren't they! They ask us to believe that an entire plane was destroyed and consumed by heat / fire / impact, and then to believe that a flimsy metal badge bearing the Boing monicker can manage to somehow escape the fireball and land in a recognisable possition on a car!

And not only that, but then that someone would find it! That the guy (NY cop?) was able, in all the chaos and stress and a million and one other things to take in, actually had time to see it - yet it was barely noticeable until the camera zoomed in.

Maybe it was shielded by the miracle passport that was found in the NY streets eh?

And while the whole city is under 'terrorist attack' this guy is casually 'guarding a piece of one of the planes' - while all around is chaos, death, pain, fear....!

[thedefender]

The officer is wearing a NYC Detective's badge. His uniform seems a bit off to me. Im from NYC. Not only that...under his badge should appear his badge number. I don't see one or any indication of any numbers at all. It just a blank rectangular space. Without a badge number you can't identify who was wearing a Detectives badge number XXX in NYC in 2001. Therefore their is no identity...its just a badge.

[merlincove]

The officer is wearing a NYC Detective's badge. His uniform seems a bit off to me. Im from NYC. Not only that...under his badge should appear his badge number. I don't see one or any indication of any numbers at all. It just a blank rectangular space. Without a badge number you can't identify who was wearing a Detectives badge number XXX in NYC in 2001. Therefore their is no identity...its just a badge.

Well spotted :D

[air_bn]

All that matters is the one thing everyone of the various theories points to, and that is 9/11 was an inside job ....

Yes,easy as that.

The official story fails to stand up to all reasonable questions,that's why these other theories are important diversions;)

[noncooperation]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

You put up this post within 3 mins of the OP. Thats a bit quick to notice the new thread and write the post. . .
So you obvious didn't watch the video then.
People, check some of the other threads for yourself and see how long there is between OP & 2nd posting. i didn't find 1 less than 20 mins!
very suspicious

[noncooperation]

I am loathe to reply on this thread as 9/11 is always a big bunch of stress...

However, am I the only person who thinks that the bloke in the video makes a hell of a lot of assumptions? He assumes it's a ball, assumes where it is, assumes where it's going, assumes where the camera is etc, etc, etc...

It didn't appear to be a water-tight theory by any means.

This is not intended to back-up any particular side of the argument, I just didn't think the bloke was very convincing in his arguments. It appears to be a bit of a duff documentary.

Please don't hate me. I hate it when people hate other people on 9/11 threads.

I'm just making an observation.

i get your points, but he's not the first to suggest this theory & put forward evidence. ive seen most of the other stuff on this fake footage subject and i think is very plausible. we already know from other research & pilot testimony that flying a normal plane like this into a small target is very difficult (especially with the pentagon crash), so why would they not choose a more fail-safe method & use a slower moving more manoeuvrable 'craft'.
the actual computer editing side of it i think is quite easy these days for an expert video editor with good software & hardware.

[noncooperation]

Good observation, dusthead.

He might just try to cover up one lie with another.
Some "magic flying ball" just doesn't seem right.

Witches on broomsticks and such must be just around the corner.

silly post

[dan duchaine]

I have never considered the "ball" a REAL object though it's interesting.
Only brings in another of those "secret technologies" that are hard to check or discuss.

Funny how there is "one of the eight witnesses_who_saw_and_heard_planes" on this forum.
What are the odds ? :)


Yeah but we have 4 people who know Raoul Moat personally, so we must just be lucky.

[egokiller]

Just a thought….but has anyone not considered that maybe on 911 as apparently the alleged amateur CGI vids appeared later in the day they were created in a rush because the live footage of remote control planes/and/or hijacked real planes taken over remotely with under side additives just wasn’t scary and impressive enough for the level of global public manipulation required in this the most important psy-ops in NOW history. Especially as they had allot to enforce and change in the light of the mission. Perhaps they used a combination of remote dummy planes, attached missile pods and secret weapons (Orb/ tower beam etc), and demolition charges, and censored footage (i.e Pentagon hit) and air force shoot down for several reasons…

1. Knowingly this combination of hi-tech weapons, media, and military would divide, confuse and baffle anyone seriously looking at the questions of 911
2. They get to test allot of new stuff whilst setting up a situation that allows them to control triple sides of the story – the sceptics, the inevitable aka-mainstream conspiracy scene, the deeper nosies that become no planers/beamers etc. Works a treat doesn’t it, and simultaneously compartmentalises the threat and lets it eat itself into possible argumental ineffectiveness?.

The fact is all or most main arguments and theories revolving around 911 have strengths and weaknesses, and all have some impressive strengths is it too far fetched that the military industrial complex black ops and secret black ops with years to plan could pull this cocktail off?. You can almost imagine them sat round with all the plans on the table and then laughing as they decide “Fuck it!..let’s hit em with the lot!..we can do it, we can do anything”


Like I say, before anyone laughs at the idea, consider the benefits above, and as for the dodgy looking poor efforts of TV fakery, they have so little respect for the mainstream unawakended do you think they’d even care it was ropey!…they probably rushed them and didn’t even really care after the nose out screwed up live…why would they…they already new most mainstreamers are soft core racists that would buy the war, ignorant of foreign policy, political history and the NOW, why would they care, they new conspiracy would become an industry, and let ego do the rest, what would the chances be of anyone truly thinking outside the box and simply connect the dots and see the above all working together…also consider if you were with your co workers in the street and thought you saw a plane or heard something but only saw an explosion above, in a nutshell you were there but by the time you were hearing the radio and evening news and the story had been established what are you going to think?....”oh well that must be it then, what happened, now I see, thought I didn’t see a plane, must have missed it I guess in all the shock and anarchy”…and if you were sure would you tell anyone for fear of being recommended to the doctor for post traumatic stress.

Who knows…the point is recently and coincidentally I have found myself re-looking at all the different arguments about 911 and on second look the no plane – direct energy weapon test theory, I think it is not impossible we have been dealing with a mix of the lot and at the very least perhaps some of the clips were fake for a bigger emotional hit. I guess you have to ask if you were NOW and you had free energy and life extension technology and a global warming/eugenics scam in the making you must test in secret, in covert, from behind the smoke n mirrors, and you must also test as well as it’s capability to work and destroy physical objects, you must also test it’s use as part of major global psy-ops operations. If people ever realised you had free energy they would expect and in time demand its use to end scarcity and ban or control its use as a weapon.
I laughed at no planers and beamers, now I aint so sure and especially with 911 one must always keep an open mind, it was the Daddy and in years to come we will probably still be being surprised just how deep it’s Rabbit hole may and will go.

P.s – still smiling, we are making it harder for the bastards, keep talking folks, keep spreading the word and planting seeds, stop fighting, keep thinking x

p.p.s - We are never going to get a serious investigation and if we did I suspect everyone reading this will be grand parents or in a home with no one younger really giving a shit anyway so there is no danger from alternative theories as long as we respect each other and follow the strongest evidence, having read all the anti- no planer/beamer stuff and all the pro, I don't know?... but we better start working together if we ever want to find out.

[thespiritforce]

You put up this post within 3 mins of the OP. Thats a bit quick to notice the new thread and write the post. . .
So you obvious didn't watch the video then.
People, check some of the other threads for yourself and see how long there is between OP & 2nd posting. i didn't find 1 less than 20 mins!
very suspicious

Good work and I am very impressed when so many shoot down anyone that should and would come here and tell an out and out, right out lie...such as we know this one is...on something sooooooooooo very important to us all and even whatever country you may live in, as well, as it could happen anywhere at anytime...But, if we of good work and that are always seeking the truth show what very foolish people that they are and trying to trick whom can't be tricked nor made a fool of...it can't happen!

Yes, thank God, for such people!...I have hope for us all because of such. :)

[thespiritforce]

silly post

Yes, the bottomline on all of this is YOU, all OF YOU are on your KNEES and will stay there as long as The USA controls everything in our world today, as included are...our own Bank, CALL THE FEDERAL RESERVE, where we print all of our, so called, money, as it is OWNED BY STOCK HOLDERS, Rockefeller being the most holder of such and they have the ability to even print their OWN MONEY ANYTIME THEY SO DESIRE TO DO SO!:D

We want to go to WAR with IRAQ...WE WILL AND YOU WILL LIKE AND EVEN JOIN IN, AS YOU DID OF THE UK and all The, so called, Willing.

We want to run Wall St. like a gambling Casino WE WILL AND YOU WILL LIKE IT and buy our Trash made up to fail STOCKS...that we here BET THAT THEY WILL FAIL BECAUSE WE SEE TO IT THAT THEY WILL...GOT IT?

We have about...of our GDP of 13 Trillion Dollars...and the next only closest is Japan of about 2.3 Trillion in worth...SO, GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BEG US FOR FORGIVENESS and we might throw you a piece of crumb once in a while. :eek:

Now, don't get me wrong...I'm on your side but you just don't know the half of it...WE OWN THIS WORLD AND YOU WILL LIKE IT OR ELSE, AS WE ARE THE MOST POWERFUL ON THIS PLANETand I am afraid that is just the way it is because YOU LET IT ALL BE THIS WAY...BY BUYING OUR PHONY STOCKS and INVESTING IN THIS THE MOST CORRUPTED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD! and that is without question...SO, BONE UP BOYS YOU STILL OWE US ABOUT ANOTHER 55 TRILLION DOLLARS...that will be PAID!

As you know we have to PAY BACK CHINA and Japan for all we owe them that we borrow on the backs of each and every tax payer here and our children and grandchildren too owe up and WILL PAY UP...SOONER OR LATER, AS WE HAVE YOU ALL BY THE FRIGGIN THROAT...BECAUSE CHINA HAS US.

Yes! WAR!...WE NEED ANOTHER WAR...DISPERRATLY...WITH IRAN so all our War Mongers can clean up the more MONEY that they need and half to have, as when John gets a bigger Boat...JIM MUST HAVE A BIGGER ONE TOO! Where do they get the MONEY TO BUY SUCH HUGE 40 FOOT SAIL BOATS?...THEY STEAL IT FROM YOU WHILE YOU'RE ON YOUR FRIGGIN KNEES...NO LESS!:eek:

HOW MANY, SCARE TO CRAP OUT OF YOU, FLAGS CAN WE GET UP IN THE AIR AT ONE TIME??? AS MANY AS WE NEED BECAUSE YOU ARE ON YOUR FRIGGIN KNEES AND DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER...NOW, DO YOU?:rolleyes:

And I am also going to tell you the only way to beat them and even us and that is by A GREAT SPIRITUAL AWAKENING...Where we all know we all are connected, as one and can MOVE, AS ONE, AS WELL...AS A SPIRIT FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH and that is for sure!

BUT! YOU HAVE TO KNOW IT, as YOU CAN!...AS THE WHOLE WORLD CAN and KNOW, FOR REAL!:cool:

But, that also is why I can't get my real proof it...who we all really are, as in Spirit Beings and or Living Ghost...CONNECTED, AS ONE...because it WILL EMPOWER...YOU IF YOU DO KNOW...AND REALLY GET IT!

Just like DAVID said, THEY ARE UP ON THE HILL JUST WAITING FOR US TO JOIN THEM...WHICH WE CAN...ONCE YOU KNOW...WE ALL ARE ONE, AS IN CONNECTED SPIRITUALLY and capable of moving as one, as well, as in what also David has said and is trying to find away where WE CAN...THIS IS THE ONLY WAY WE CAN, as I have said...Well, take it for what it's worth...EVERYTHING or else...STAY ON YOUR SORRY I HAVE NO CLUE KNEES.:rolleyes:

Do excuse the loud hollering but I am trying to get a point across and save your lives and your children's lives, as well, or they too will be owned...lock, stock and barrel. Trust me...I know and I can prove who we all are, FOR REAL, as well and save us all when YOU KNOW, as in REALLY KNOW, as YOU can! OK? OK. :)

[fanoftruth]

The glaring problems with this short documentary, at least the ones that stand out to me are ;

He believes in the 'nose out' footage, despite it being well proven that the 'nose-out' portion is not an exact match of the plane's nose before point of entry.

He keeps stating that the "ball" is a spherical object without wings - though wings are visable (though difficult to see..) as it approaches the south tower.

He states the 2 CNN shots were the exact same shot with the surrounding details changed - however the 2 CNN shots are somewheat different. In the left hand frame (when he does a side-by-side comparison) we see some of the edge of the north tower, whereas in the shot on the right we do not, meaning the tower's facade is directly facing us in one shot and in the other is facing slighlty off to an angle. The further away a camera is from it's subject a lesser change in angle will still make for a greater change in perspective.

in the 'ghostplane' shot at the end he says he believes the pod to be the same object as the aforementioned 'ball' despite the fact the size difference is significant. Look at the plane as it appears from it's descent in the CNN shot - if that was the pod on the underside of the ghostplane footage it would be a darn site bigger.

[air_bn]

The power of suggestion is a mighty strong force!

[thespiritforce]

The power of suggestion is a mighty strong force!

Yes it is and the power to get you or anyone off the real meaning in all of this, as I forget what difference does that make to the real issue here...9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB...NOW, WHAT? We just talk it to death till the next one hits us? This doesn't make any sense and even David knew and knows that, as he said, we have to become one and overcome the very few, AS WE CAN...I'M TELLING YOU! imo :cool:

[brianh]

I posted this to 911Blogger.com and the moderators refused to post it. I think they have had it with no plane theories. When I emailed them I got this curt reply:
Please see:
http://0x1a.com/#Disinformation

and

http://0x1a.com/#[[No%20Planes]]

I agree in another youtube of this I can see wings but his arrow helps to cover one of them.

[noncooperation]

I think it is interesting to try & get to the bottom of 9-11, but whether or not it was an advanced craft, a missile or a plane is not really that important.

Some of truther posts here almost sound like they are debunking themselves!!

It was an evil act conducted by ruthless beings, we known this. End of story.

People try not to get so distracted. some of the posters on here are very clever and can manipulate you without you even realising. even those of us who know this get lead astray.

[noncooperation]

Yes it is and the power to get you or anyone off the real meaning in all of this, as I forget what difference does that make to the real issue here...9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB...NOW, WHAT? We just talk it to death till the next one hits us? This doesn't make any sense and even David knew and knows that, as he said, we have to become one and overcome the very few, AS WE CAN...I'M TELLING YOU! imo :cool:

+1

[cowboy10]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

Hello there, I do not post much on these forums however you post above caught my attention. To claim you saw the planes basically contradicts the video september clues and other 911 videos I firmly believe are true.

So either my opinion is wrong or you are telling porkies

So how can I figure this out.

To figure out what type of personailty you have, I read alot of your threads and posts. (May I say your spelling is atrocious for someone over 40 years old.)

anyways..

i saw the 2nd plane fly at and into the building exploading in a fire ball.

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

Did you see both or just the 2nd one? is my question. Also you must live very very very close or were working very very close to hear "people scream to there death" Basically you are saying you were right in the mix of twins towers and I would love to hear you encounter of the whole 1st eye view of the incident.

[eternal_spirit]

The problem about 911 is that it's a one off which can not be recreated in a lab on a smaller scale, neither can it be re- enacted. Hence we get all this pseudo false science theories passed off as truths, which is mucho bullshit none reality.

Some racist haters of Americans want to believe so badly (without any real evidence) that it was the USA who where behind 911. Same racists who hate Brits want to spin lies that 7/7 bus bombings where done by Brits. Therefore to them it justifies their hatred and racism. Which is obvious for me to see.

The rest who believe both are not racists but conspiracy theorists.

[3stepsahead]

One piece of info I believe he could/should have included was the fact that the architects stated in a 9/11 documentary that they specifically built the WTC towers to withstand a commercial airline impact. I believe they even said that the either tower could have withstood multiple impacts.



i too have heard that statement somewhere even demonstrating with a pen and a net its built in function.

what strikes me is, "it was made for withstanding plane impact"
can it be that it really means it was made for the plance impacts of 2001?
would it be possible to rig a building while constructing it and have it sit unnoticed for many years?

just a thought, and i am glad to see a over the top civily maintained thread here, but instead of squeezing out questions, try to inform ous of the answers to them.
thanks ye all

[thedefender]

i too have heard that statement somewhere even demonstrating with a pen and a net its built in function.

what strikes me is, "it was made for withstanding plane impact"
can it be that it really means it was made for the plance impacts of 2001?
would it be possible to rig a building while constructing it and have it sit unnoticed for many years?

just a thought, and i am glad to see a over the top civily maintained thread here, but instead of squeezing out questions, try to inform ous of the answers to them.
thanks ye all

I have also wondered the same. However, I don't think that explosives were originally planted when the towers were built. This would mean that they would have been plnated and remained dormant for over 25 yrs before they were used. I also think that the towers built to fullfill a specific agenda or result. Which it did! They were built to come down. They were erected in 1972-73. That is only a short time ago. It would only take twenty years later for the first "botched" attempt to occur which was in 1993.

I can't see such devices or explosives to last that long dormant. There is to much time inbetween for error or them to become faulty. I think the demolition would not have went as it did if it had been this case.

I also remember reading in Jim Marrs' The Terror Conspiracy that during the weekend prior to 9/11 (which was a Tuesday) unusual security searches were made in both towers. Perhaps to check everything one last time? I will do my best to find where in the book Jim Marrs' quotes this evidence.

It is in my most logic opinion that explosives were planted over certain periods of time not long before 9/11. As far as being able to plant and carry out such an act I can only think they were given approval....it becomes a
little more obvious when you look into who performed security at the towers. It is evident then why such activity would go unnoticed. Or like many say "See no evil, hear no evil".

[kbeet]

i was in new york and i saw the whole thing
you saw nuthing and make up all these stupid theorys in that poiinted head
the whole dam city saw it in person live
you dident. you were not there and saw little on tv
i cant understand why you neons continue to do the soopy sales thing with it
who do you think they will believe. go chase ca rainbow. you have a better chance with that then trying to change what realy happend

[thedefender]

i was in new york and i saw the whole thing
you saw nuthing and make up all these stupid theorys in that poiinted head
the whole dam city saw it in person live
you dident. you were not there and saw little on tv
i cant understand why you neons continue to do the soopy sales thing with it
who do you think they will believe. go chase ca rainbow. you have a better chance with that then trying to change what realy happend

So your saying ther wasn't controlled demolition or that there was no "no-plane" theory?

[kbeet]

so your saying ther wasn't controlled demolition or that there was no "no-plane" theory?

bingo

[kbeet]

bingo

i made a thread in here calld
for all you bs artist
in this thread are vedios one actualy showing a plane flying into the building and hiting it.. go look

[thedefender]

You haven't answered my question.

What about the demolition?

[camreeno]

It's an interesting new perspective but it leaves out a lot of questions. For example how did that oval-shaped "ball" create the crash site in the twin towers when you can clearly see the impact is in the shape of a narrow gash, which is somewhat inconsistent with the shape of the "ball". I am also wondering why they would use CGI to fake the footage of a plane in this grey color scheme when they could have gone for the whole enchilada and made it match the color scheme of an American Airlines plane? That part doesn't make sense to me.

Some people also reported a blue logo towards the front of the second plane that hit the twin towers, as well as no windows.

One thing I'm also wondering about is if they had this advanced technology, in this case a UFO-shaped object with anti-gratitational abilities, why wouldn't they use something like this for the supposed "crash" in Shanksville, Pennsylvania? They would have rigged explosives to a device to give the impression of a jet airliner crashing, but instead we have this unassuming puff of smoke in one picture taking by some woman living nearby. Why wouldn't they rig the thing with explosives that are comperable to a real passenger jet crash still packed with fuel?

I don't quite get how this theory works with many aspects of 9/11 but nonetheless it's good to have another view out there. But what the hell was that ball-shaped thing in some of the mainstream media footage? They definitely altered some of the footage in some major ways.

[thespiritforce]

This is by design, as I have so much, as much stated myself also...they want to confuse the issues and the real truth of how low life some can be and are and life has no real meaning to nor for them at all...but, it is all about the MONEY...WAR MONGERING and THE STEALING FROM THE MANY OF MANY POOR TAX PAYERS AROUND THE WORLD THAT ARE ALL PAYING FOR THEIR MISDEEDS AND LIES.

You are so right my friend...sounds like to me, as well, these are only here to confuse the real issues and the wrong that's been done to so many of lives that have to live with these lie after lie, each and everyday, of what WE KNOW WAS AN INSIDE JOB BY OUR OWN DANG GOV....AND THAT'S THE REAL TRUTH! :eek:

I think it is interesting to try & get to the bottom of 9-11, but whether or not it was an advanced craft, a missile or a plane is not really that important.

Some of truther posts here almost sound like they are debunking themselves!!

It was an evil act conducted by ruthless beings, we known this. End of story.

People try not to get so distracted. some of the posters on here are very clever and can manipulate you without you even realising. even those of us who know this get lead astray.

[frase]

http://old.911digitalarchive.org/images/files/2447.pjpeg

[heartysoup]

WE KNOW WAS AN INSIDE JOB BY OUR OWN DANG GOV....AND THAT'S THE REAL TRUTH! :eek:

no. i dont think you have any clue what you're talking about.

if you think your government is responsible for this then you are falling for the trap.

clearly the gov't has been hijacked a long time ago. they want you to rise against your gov't so they can justify a police state.

by blaming your gov't for something created by corporations and freemasons, you are essentially helping the perps.

think about how much Alex Jones hates the gov't. isn't it suspicious?

dont you people realize that blaming your gov't just escalates the problem?

the names of all companies that manufacture DEWs and UAVs are all in the public domain, its all there.

just open your eyes and you can see the companies/organizations most responsible for planning and executing 9/11.

you know the MEDIA showed fake plane images. so why do you blame your government?

the USA has one of the most progressive constitutions in the history of the planet, and its being slowly eroded. by blaming your gov't for things created by private interests you only make the problem worse.

[nashvegas]

I watched the entire footage.. very fascinating and I would say my ideals go along with it rather closely... my only question is, that I have had.. if it was an inside job, with such massive amounts of manipulation, organization, etc.. how many and where are the manpower behind the entire event? Who would help with this? Fear of death to individual and family? More money? I could never imagine participating in such an event... where are the inside job whistleblowers? Nobody comes out and says anything except truth seekers, conspiracy buffs... thats the only thing I wonder. Also, what happened to the real planes? did it land, and military go in and shoot everyone dead on spot and dispose of the plane and evidence somewhere?

[thespiritforce]

That could all be very well true and all, but also you may know that the very day before 9-11 2.3 Trillion Dollars were missing from our Pentagon http://www.google.com/search?q=2.3+Trillion+dollars+missing+the+day+befo re+9%3D11&hl=en&rlz=1T4TSNA_enUS375US375&prmd=v&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=zyRmTLbVMYGKlwfQ4OHXDA&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CB8QqwQwAA Yeah, clueless in where ever you are at on in what cave you live in and also the Cruse Missile that made the little hole in the Pentagon hit right where the records were kept all about such stuff and besides that it was an excuse to go to War with Iraq and then Afghan and now they are begging us to let them go to War with Iran, as IT IS BIG TIME BUSINESS FOR THE WAR MONGERS and all the kick-backs everyone of The Elite get of our Tax Payers Money, as in Trillions of Dollars, as well.

So, I guess it just comes down to a matter of which one reason or reasons it was and all about but due to that FACT THAT THE UK WAS IN ON IT ALL TOO...makes me think of False Flags and WAR of The Willing for the KILLING and replacements of all we take over there and get tore up...LIKE UK WAS IN ON TOO and put many of your 2 cents in, as well ir about all you guys have or can/could muster up..:eek:

NOW? You know what?...I know you don't have the 1st clue what in hell you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I am falling for my own Gov's trap...lol...hell son...I've lived here for some 60 years now and I know what's been going on, for real...hell, I was at The Watergate Hearings, as we ushered out Nixon! What'd your country do in the way of justice? Them Bilderbergers or whatever they are called still running things over there and the Jesuits too that run them?

So, YOU thought you were pretty well informed by now about all of the main players on and in the "conspiracy" playing field? You’ve maybe been hearing for years about or THINK YOU HAVE SOME CLUE ABOUT (or bumped into on your own BY ACCIDENT NO DOUBT) as in the various elements of society who control our world from behind the scenes.

HERE SON, AS I CLUE YOU IN ON WHAT;S REALLY GOING ON AND HAS BEEN FOR MANY YEARS NOW...and my own reserach goes back to the early 90's...BUT READ ON AND LEARN WHAT "YOU HAVE NO CLUE ONE OF NOR ABOUT" http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/blackpope.htm

I know...since you seem to think you know it all...do tell us all about how your own Gov. has been hijacked? Any latest news on that front? :confused:

I don't have clue? I have forgot more about it all than you will ever know. Sheesh! :rolleyes:

no. i dont think you have any clue what you're talking about.

if you think your government is responsible for this then you are falling for the trap.

clearly the gov't has been hijacked a long time ago. they want you to rise against your gov't so they can justify a police state.

by blaming your gov't for something created by corporations and freemasons, you are essentially helping the perps.

think about how much Alex Jones hates the gov't. isn't it suspicious?

dont you people realize that blaming your gov't just escalates the problem?

the names of all companies that manufacture DEWs and UAVs are all in the public domain, its all there.

just open your eyes and you can see the companies/organizations most responsible for planning and executing 9/11.

you know the MEDIA showed fake plane images. so why do you blame your government?

the USA has one of the most progressive constitutions in the history of the planet, and its being slowly eroded. by blaming your gov't for things created by private interests you only make the problem worse.

[heartysoup]

rants and ramblings aside...

why do you blame your government if the media (corporations) showed you fake images?

sure; at the top of the gov there are some 'bad apples'; including the federal reserve which im sure you'll agree.

but cant you see that they want you to "rise" against your gov't so that they can justify a police state?!

this is hugely obvious to many people at this point.

[thespiritforce]

rants and ramblings aside...

why do you blame your government if the media (corporations) showed you fake images?

sure; at the top of the gov there are some 'bad apples'; including the federal reserve which im sure you'll agree.

but cant you see that they want you to "rise" against your gov't so that they can justify a police state?!

this is hugely obvious to many people at this point.

Yes, but that's so obvious it's not hardly even worth mentioning, as the history goes back centuries and our Fed Reserve is run by stock holders that can print their own money any time they so might desire to. When Bush was in office he started our Police State we have now...taking away many of our rights...even to a fair trial or even a Lawyer and can be looked up forever...if they so like. So, you might want to get up-to-date as to what we are doing to combat the state of affairs as they are now and as I have said, AS EVEN DAVID HAS SAID THIS...THEY ARE UP ON THE HILL JUST WATING FIOR US TO JOIN THEM and the only way that can happen is by THE GREAT SPIRITUAL AWAKENING...in which, if I have to, I will usher it in myself, as to where we all WILL KNOW, FOR SURE...WE ALL ARE ONE AND WITH GREAT POWER, as it will EMPOWER YOU ONCE YOU REALLY KNOW...THIS IS WHAT DAVID MEANS! Ya know? :cool:

[heartysoup]

So, you might want to get up-to-date as to what we are doing to combat the state of affairs as they are now and as I have said, AS EVEN DAVID HAS SAID THIS...THEY ARE UP ON THE HILL JUST WATING FIOR US TO JOIN THEM and the only way that can happen is by THE GREAT SPIRITUAL AWAKENING...in which, if I have to, I will usher it in myself, as to where we all WILL KNOW, FOR SURE...WE ALL ARE ONE AND WITH GREAT POWER, as it will EMPOWER YOU ONCE YOU REALLY KNOW...THIS IS WHAT DAVID MEANS! Ya know? :cool:

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1232550426_worf%20face%20palm.gif

[thespiritforce]

I watched the entire footage.. very fascinating and I would say my ideals go along with it rather closely... my only question is, that I have had.. if it was an inside job, with such massive amounts of manipulation, organization, etc.. how many and where are the manpower behind the entire event? Who would help with this? Fear of death to individual and family? More money? I could never imagine participating in such an event... where are the inside job whistleblowers? Nobody comes out and says anything except truth seekers, conspiracy buffs... thats the only thing I wonder. Also, what happened to the real planes? did it land, and military go in and shoot everyone dead on spot and dispose of the plane and evidence somewhere?

Yes, know this if you want the answers to all of your questions and that is THEY KNOW SOMETHING BIG COMES OUR WAY...AND IT'S NOT GOOD...2012 and yes, what is it that they do know?...The Elite and all of the ones they have shown what's to come and you had better keep quite or you won't be of the few that are saved or so they tell them that they will be OR ELSE! Now, if you was shown what's to come and it's not good at all and you was told and shown it...like this Planet X...that if you're not at least 20 miles down....you're not going to make it...every Country that knows are going down underground. Japan knows and is building 20 miles down under with a massive train tunnel, plumbing, electrical wiring, food storage and so on, as we are too...yes, you might want to keep up-to-date as I have said, but I have a plan and will not be expendable...as I work on reverse engineer of our geomagnetic flux energy protecting our planet, as our field gets weaker and weaker and our 11 year cycle of solar flare ups, on a massive scale the likes never seen before, are coming...and at it's peak in 2012/2013 if we last that long...even underground and nuclear fusion, as well, as our sun burns hotter and hotter every year now...for some time now...don't ya know? :rolleyes:

WAKE UP! TIME IS RUNNING OUT ON US ALL...AND THEY KNOW SOMWETHING OR WHY ELSE WOULD THEY ROB US ALL BLIND, AS THEY ARE...RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES AND DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS IT, AS THEY HAVE EVEN SAID, AS MUCH...YES, BANKS TO BIG TO FAIL...SO, WHY ARE THEY NOW EVEN MORE TO BIG TO FAIL AND SO ON AND SO ON ALL RIGHT BEFORE YOUR OWN EYES OF WHAT CAN I DO...I AM BUT ONLY ONE PERSON...I AM TOO AND I CAN DO MORE THAN ALL OF THEM PUT TOGETHER, AS FAR, AS DOING SOMETHING CONSTUCTIVE AND REVERSEABLE ACTS TO COME...FOR YOU. :cool:

I tell you all the God's honest truth...Spiritual Awakening is our only hope and salvation, as I tell you the truth also...we all are of a collective consciousness of our world of this oneness of one and when we WAKE UP FRPM A GREAT SPIRITUAL AWAKENING...WE CAN THEN START TO COMBINE THE MOST POWERFUL ENERGY SOURCE THERE IS AND MAKE CHANGE BY OUR MERE COLLECTIVE THOUGHT PROCESSES...BELIEVE OR DEATH! :(

And I can prove everything I say and claim as being a Supernatural Spirit Force of Energy in Nature all within our consciousness world of oneness of one and capable of Spirit Interaction within all others as all others are capable of Spirit Interaction within everyone else, as well. :)

But, yes...Who makes us wonder? Who told Nicoli Tesla all he knew about Energy and who will YOU LISTEN TO...GOOD AND RIGHT OR BAD AND WRONG, as you will see...even here...the choice, as you have a free will and choice to be and do whatever it is you will be and do and that includes listening to, as we all have a conscience...and they both speak to you all...who? Yes, who makes you wonder and who will you listen too...before it's to late...like in Noah's flood, the last time Planet X came around some 3,600 years ago, but the Methane gas is building up by Trillions of tons everywhere....not by water, but by fire!:eek:

[dreamscope]

Personally I can't agree with the no-plane theory; the footage I've seen, particularly with the first plane, has what looks and what sounds like a plane. TO me, it's a plane, and I'm not one of the eyewitness who were there and say they saw a plane.

Sticking to what I know, what really catches my eye:

-Interviews with fireman and other witnesses who saw and heard 'secondary explosions' at the bottom of the towers, and who saw the rippling pattern of explosions running down the side of the tower before it collapses. This can be seen on some videos, I'm sure you've seen them

-On the 'Loose Change' documentary they interview a man and woman who were monitoring air traffic on the radar that day. They both say that they thought what was flying towards the Pentagon was a fighter aircraft and not a Commercial liner; it was turning too tightly at too high a speed for a commercial jet.

-The fact that the 'terrorist' who it is claimed flew this plane into the Pentagon was classed as unfit to fly. All of his flying instructors agree there was no way he could have carried out this manouvre.

-The case of the actual airline pilot on that flight, who happened to be an ex-navy fighter pilot and who happened to have previously worked in the very part of the Pentagon which was hit. Coincidence? Yeah right.

-The coincidental (not) way that all airforce fighters assigned to defending the airspace over New York had been moved out of the area for 'exercises'. This being the first known example of this.

-Air crash investigators at the 'Flight 93 crash site' all say there was no evidence of a crash there. If there was, it is the only plane crash in history where there was no debris and no deep crater to match the size of the plane.

-The dubious security arrangements in the twin towers, if I remember rightly it was George Bush's cousin / brother who was put in charge of security there. Starting the day before the attacks.

Like they say in detective work, when you see two coincidences together you need to look closely. When you find more, you know you're on the right track.

MY own humble opinion: Twin towers were actually hit by aircraft, but they were deliberately brought down by demolition charges. The Pentagon was hit by a small fighter jet, not an airliner (what happened to that airliner and its passengers....that is disturbing). Flight 93 was shot down under orders of an officer in charge who had no connection to the conspiracy and who managed to scramble the only fighters available at the time.

Regards. Keep up the good work all.

[3stepsahead]

so if what i can see here is correct
fresh prince did 911
http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/masterthief69/180px-Prince911.gif


just to prove a point:D

[dreamscope]

so if what i can see here is correct
fresh prince did 911
http://i745.photobucket.com/albums/xx99/masterthief69/180px-Prince911.gif


just to prove a point:D

Um, yeah...it must have been him :rolleyes:

But why would TPTB behind 9/11 want to doctor videos so that they show what clearly look like sequential charged detonations going off down the side of the towers? And are the firemen and other witnesses recorded on camera as seeing and hearing these, are they also faked? Just to prove a point.

[thespiritforce]

Personally I can't agree with the no-plane theory; the footage I've seen, particularly with the first plane, has what looks and what sounds like a plane. TO me, it's a plane, and I'm not one of the eyewitness who were there and say they saw a plane.

Sticking to what I know, what really catches my eye:

-Interviews with fireman and other witnesses who saw and heard 'secondary explosions' at the bottom of the towers, and who saw the rippling pattern of explosions running down the side of the tower before it collapses. This can be seen on some videos, I'm sure you've seen them

-On the 'Loose Change' documentary they interview a man and woman who were monitoring air traffic on the radar that day. They both say that they thought what was flying towards the Pentagon was a fighter aircraft and not a Commercial liner; it was turning too tightly at too high a speed for a commercial jet.

-The fact that the 'terrorist' who it is claimed flew this plane into the Pentagon was classed as unfit to fly. All of his flying instructors agree there was no way he could have carried out this manouvre.

-The case of the actual airline pilot on that flight, who happened to be an ex-navy fighter pilot and who happened to have previously worked in the very part of the Pentagon which was hit. Coincidence? Yeah right.

-The coincidental (not) way that all airforce fighters assigned to defending the airspace over New York had been moved out of the area for 'exercises'. This being the first known example of this.

-Air crash investigators at the 'Flight 93 crash site' all say there was no evidence of a crash there. If there was, it is the only plane crash in history where there was no debris and no deep crater to match the size of the plane.

-The dubious security arrangements in the twin towers, if I remember rightly it was George Bush's cousin / brother who was put in charge of security there. Starting the day before the attacks.

Like they say in detective work, when you see two coincidences together you need to look closely. When you find more, you know you're on the right track.

MY own humble opinion: Twin towers were actually hit by aircraft, but they were deliberately brought down by demolition charges. The Pentagon was hit by a small fighter jet, not an airliner (what happened to that airliner and its passengers....that is disturbing). Flight 93 was shot down under orders of an officer in charge who had no connection to the conspiracy and who managed to scramble the only fighters available at the time.

Regards. Keep up the good work all.

Do you or anyone need an instruction book to say, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and WE AIN'T TAKENING IT ANYMORE!" We fought off The British for us to be free and there have been revolutions around the world where and when people feel like that are being screwed...made chumps of...robbed right before their eyes...told what you will do and when you will do it and like it, but that was when men were men and not these sissies we have now all worried about whether men can get married or not legally and our Pentagon was rob of 2.3 Trillion Dollars the day before 9-11 and no one can put 2 and 2 together on that one and then we lose another 900 Billion over in Iraq too...just up and disappeared and no one even blinks but they all want to know is it still, "don't ask and don't tell." WHAT A FRIGGIN CONUTRY...WE CAN'T GET OFF OUR KNEES BECAUSE WE STAY ON OUR KNEES...ON PURPOSE! :o

Seems like we deserve everything we get shoved up are backsides and like it...knee-pad wearers. This country and many more around the world have become a bunch of pussies. imo

[heartysoup]

Um, yeah...it must have been him :rolleyes:

But why would TPTB behind 9/11 want to doctor videos so that they show what clearly look like sequential charged detonations going off down the side of the towers? And are the firemen and other witnesses recorded on camera as seeing and hearing these, are they also faked? Just to prove a point.

You dont seem to understand how 911 tv fakery works.

The only thing fake are the plane impacts... they do not have any collision physics... this is because they are digital composites.

I don't see any sequential charged detonations going off down the side of the towers.

But I do see the towers imploding into an avalanche/cyclone of dust.

Did you know that thermite is an incendiary? So it's not really an explosive.

The explosions witnessed by these firemen could be gas / oxygen tanks or anything else.

If you believe the 'explosive' hypothesis then what happened to 80% of the steel in the towers?

Explosives (whether imaginary or real) cannot turn steel beams into fine particles of dust.

If you haven't already seen the research into directed-energy weapons being responsible for the destruction of the WTC then this should be interesting for you:

www.drjudywood.com

The planes/explosives theory is supported by Richard Gage (Bechtel) of AE911, and Steven Jones (Los Alamos) of S911TJ, and many others including David Ray Griffen (who also supports a 'global government').

Planes/explosives is quite a popular story, because it is simple, and nobody knows anything about structural engineering, materials science, and airplanes.

Find me one other controlled demolition in the history of the universe that looks like the way towers 1 and 2 came down.

Watch the videos closely. Pay more attention.
Read www.drjudywood.com ;
Think more critically about the 911 pop stars Gage, Jones, etc

[dreamscope]

Do you or anyone need an instruction book to say, "ENOUGH IS ENOUGH and WE AIN'T TAKENING IT ANYMORE!" We fought off The British for us to be free and there have been revolutions around the world

....erm, no. But what I do need is good hard evidence accompanied by reasoned and infallible explanation, not somebody who will start jumping up and down with rage and spitting in my face just because I don't agree with his 'no plane' theory. Like you did just there.

Seems like this forum isn't the place for a reasonalbe discussion. Just a bunch of 'I know better than you, but I can't give you evidence' types who go Schizo when somebody contradicts their gospel.

Laters, butt munch.

[dreamscope]

Find me one other controlled demolition in the history of the universe that looks like the way towers 1 and 2 came down.



Thanks for the links. And thanks for not spitting fury at me just because I personally think that at least some of the footage I have seen..well it sounds like a place, looks like a plane...I guess it's a plane. Maybe some of them are faked, I'm not saying theyre not.

On your last point though, I think that was covered in Loose change and they showed a few examples of controlled demolition which, well, look like the way towers 1 and 2 came down. I'll get back to you on here with links for some of the 'secondary explosion' footage.

As for Thermite, yep I've looked up on that....so thanks for supporting me on that point. Cheers.

[thespiritforce]

Thanks for the links. And thanks for not spitting fury at me just because I personally think that at least some of the footage I have seen..well it sounds like a place, looks like a plane...I guess it's a plane. Maybe some of them are faked, I'm not saying theyre not.

On your last point though, I think that was covered in Loose change and they showed a few examples of controlled demolition which, well, look like the way towers 1 and 2 came down. I'll get back to you on here with links for some of the 'secondary explosion' footage.

As for Thermite, yep I've looked up on that....so thanks for supporting me on that point. Cheers.

No! The real problem is half here can't even read or understand English when spoken to them...I was referring to what you said, about how this Earth didn't come with an instruction book and HOW WE DON'T NEED ONE TO TAKE A STAND FOR WHAT'S RIGHT...But! Maybe YOU DO NEED ONE to know what someone really said and meant...NOW, GET OFF YOUR KNEES and all I know is...IT WAS AN INSIDE JOB, as I HAVE SAID and don't put yourself up on some pedestal claiming I am mistreating you or some BS you've made-up in your own mind and world of The Lost! :eek:

Actually...I was on your side, till now, that I know how dumb that side is, as you have shown me...I may have to re-valuate my position. Hell, only the smart ones are going to survive anyway....all sh-t-for-brains will starve to death and that's for sure, as we go back to the early days where there was a King and Queen and all others worked for them and their stolen land growing food...YEP! YOU ALL WILL STARVE TO DEATH! :rolleyes:

AND TO MAKE MY POINT PERFECTLY CLEAR...READ THIS IN YOUR VERY OWN WORDS AND MAKE ANY KIND OF REAL SENSE AT ALL FOR ME IF YOU WILL?

Your words and not mine..."And thanks for not spitting fury at me just because I personally think that at least some of the footage I have seen..well it sounds like a place, looks like a plane...I guess it's a plane. Maybe some of them are faked, I'm not saying theyre not."

SOUNDS LIKE A PLACE,??? LOOKS LIKE A PLANE.??? MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE FAKED,??? BUT, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THEY ARE NOT???

Yes, what in Sam's hell are you even talking about and NO I DIDN'T SPIT IN YOUR FACE OR ANY KIND OF FURY AT YOU, EITHER!??? SHEESH! KISS OFF! I know we are all doomed now, with help like this...making us all look good...not! :rolleyes:

[thespiritforce]

MAN! He is right...80 to 90% of the steel in the Twin Towers were turned INTO DUST! And there are these HUGE HOLES with no debris in them...If you haven't seen this one and I thought I had seen them all and knew it was an inside job and all of that...BUT DANG! FORGET ABOUT THE PLANES AND EXPLOSIVES...EVERYTHING WAS TRUNED INTO DUST!:eek:

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention...YOU MUST ALL SEE THIS! http://www.drjudywood.com/videos/hiroshima.html


You dont seem to understand how 911 tv fakery works.

The only thing fake are the plane impacts... they do not have any collision physics... this is because they are digital composites.

I don't see any sequential charged detonations going off down the side of the towers.

But I do see the towers imploding into an avalanche/cyclone of dust.

Did you know that thermite is an incendiary? So it's not really an explosive.

The explosions witnessed by these firemen could be gas / oxygen tanks or anything else.

If you believe the 'explosive' hypothesis then what happened to 80% of the steel in the towers?

Explosives (whether imaginary or real) cannot turn steel beams into fine particles of dust.

If you haven't already seen the research into directed-energy weapons being responsible for the destruction of the WTC then this should be interesting for you:

www.drjudywood.com

The planes/explosives theory is supported by Richard Gage (Bechtel) of AE911, and Steven Jones (Los Alamos) of S911TJ, and many others including David Ray Griffen (who also supports a 'global government').

Planes/explosives is quite a popular story, because it is simple, and nobody knows anything about structural engineering, materials science, and airplanes.

Find me one other controlled demolition in the history of the universe that looks like the way towers 1 and 2 came down.

Watch the videos closely. Pay more attention.
Read www.drjudywood.com ;
Think more critically about the 911 pop stars Gage, Jones, etc

[heartysoup]

Thanks for the links. And thanks for not spitting fury at me just because I personally think that at least some of the footage I have seen..well it sounds like a place, looks like a plane...I guess it's a plane. Maybe some of them are faked, I'm not saying theyre not.

On your last point though, I think that was covered in Loose change and they showed a few examples of controlled demolition which, well, look like the way towers 1 and 2 came down. I'll get back to you on here with links for some of the 'secondary explosion' footage.

As for Thermite, yep I've looked up on that....so thanks for supporting me on that point. Cheers.

No problem.

Once you get familiar with all the footage of the 'plane' impacts (network shots + amatuer shots), there aren't very many actually... the fakeness will be more clear to you. :)

There is an interesting video on youtube called 'Ghostplane Theory'...
Theory of Ghostplane - YouTube

Also, its probably important to note that Dr Morgan Reynolds is/has tried to sue NIST contractors about this "planes @ the WTC" issue.

The legal document and a summary are available to read at his website:
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=federal_case

Loose Change;
Its another 911-Consumerist/PopStar production. I have to admit I haven't watched any of the new versions, but if they're talking about planes and thermite then they're using fake evidence to steer a debate into the ground; like Gage, and Jones, etc.

Its a massive psyop. :)

Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, for a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously."

That's the most fitting quote I could possibly find to describe what has happened.

[heartysoup]

Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention...YOU MUST ALL SEE THIS! http://www.drjudywood.com/videos/hiroshima.html

Glad you looked at it!

If you're interested in hearing her radio interviews they can be found here, along with radio interviews of other researchers: http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

[thespiritforce]

Glad you looked at it!

If you're interested in hearing her radio interviews they can be found here, along with radio interviews of other researchers: http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=67

Yes, thank you very much for bringing this info here for us all to see and know the real truth, but what is your Theory on what that did turn the steel, we see in the video...turn right before our eyes into dust, as these huge frames of steel start to fall over and just blow away, as real fine dust?

Do you think it's some new kind of weapon or did they, somehow, make the steel and everything else just turn into dust by............??? You fill in the blanks for me and us...if you will or maybe you have already and I've missed it, but can you restate it if, in fact, I have. Thank you, once again for the enlightenment and truth finding facts of it all....good work! Ron

[heartysoup]

what is your Theory on what that did turn the steel, we see in the video...turn right before our eyes into dust, as these huge frames of steel start to fall over and just blow away, as real fine dust?

Do you think it's some new kind of weapon or did they, somehow, make the steel and everything else just turn into dust by............??? You fill in the blanks for me and us...if you will or maybe you have already and I've missed it, but can you restate it if, in fact, I have. Thank you, once again for the enlightenment and truth finding facts of it all....good work! Ron

Well, I'm no scientist; and I don't want to misquote anybody; but the evidence is basically undeniable at this point that a directed-energy weapon (DEW) is what caused all the damage at the WTC, including all the anomalous damage (like burning cars where paper doesnt burn, etc) all over lower Manhattan.

The anomalous effects around the WTC on 9/11 have been compared to the Hutchison Effect here:
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

In the link I posted with the radio interviews there are a couple with John Hutchison as well. You will have to read up on him a bit yourself, but he is essentially a modern-day Tesla. He is featured in several documentaries, and many of his energy/antigravity/transmutation/"Hutchison Effects" experiments are on youtube.

I remember him saying in a radio interview that the effects occur during some kind of interference between static fields, and high intensity radio frequency and microwaves.

And Dr Wood said something like:
It wouldn't take an enormous amount of energy to 'dustify' the towers if the right frequencies are used.

Again, I don't really know anything about energy weapons, but this is what I gather. :)

The constant misquoting of DEW-related research as "space beams" is pretty annoying though. I am not sure anyone knows exactly what 'transmitted' this 'energy'. It is probably much more complicated than that, and has to do with Hurricane Erin, communications satellites, the white plane, haarp, and who knows what else.

Thats about all I know.
Hope it helps.

[thespiritforce]

Well, I'm no scientist; and I don't want to misquote anybody; but the evidence is basically undeniable at this point that a directed-energy weapon (DEW) is what caused all the damage at the WTC, including all the anomalous damage (like burning cars where paper doesnt burn, etc) all over lower Manhattan.

The anomalous effects around the WTC on 9/11 have been compared to the Hutchison Effect here:
http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/

In the link I posted with the radio interviews there are a couple with John Hutchison as well. You will have to read up on him a bit yourself, but he is essentially a modern-day Tesla. He is featured in several documentaries, and many of his energy/antigravity/transmutation/"Hutchison Effects" experiments are on youtube.

I remember him saying in a radio interview that the effects occur during some kind of interference between static fields, and high intensity radio frequency and microwaves.

And Dr Wood said something like:
It wouldn't take an enormous amount of energy to 'dustify' the towers if the right frequencies are used.

Again, I don't really know anything about energy weapons, but this is what I gather. :)

The constant misquoting of DEW-related research as "space beams" is pretty annoying though. I am not sure anyone knows exactly what 'transmitted' this 'energy'. It is probably much more complicated than that, and has to do with Hurricane Erin, communications satellites, the white plane, haarp, and who knows what else.

Thats about all I know.
Hope it helps.

OK...I looked him up and did find something along the lines we speak of, as in dustifing something or of material...one of "Hutchison Effects" Antigravity and Advanced Tesla Science - YouTube

But, also I know a great deal about the HAARP PROGRAM, as a high power transmitter and antenna array operating in the High Frequency (HF) range. The transmitters are capable of delivering up to 3.6 million Watts to an antenna system consisting of 180 crossed dipole antennas arranged as a rectangular, planar array which transmit up to a certain area in our atmosphere as to intensify that area with heat in order to change the direction of the jet stream and or other weather systems and patterns and know that we too can use our own Energy Forces to intensify not just an area in our atmosphere around Alaska or where ever they have other such programs, but anywhere in our world today...to even stave off such things as a Hurricane or move it in closer to a coastline like New Orleans or make a cold front to be bended or altered by intensifying our own sun's solar rays, but...later on all of that.

Well, for me that's plenty enough for now and Nicoli Tesla is one of my greatest Hero's and it could have very well been also something added into and with all of what you've said about static fields, high intensity radio frequency and microwaves, as to the knowing of the steel's frequency, as like when hit by a tuning fork one would know and everything else turned into dust by high intensification of those frequencies at levels of that could turn everything into dust and the continuing of those vibrations would and could make the larger particles turn into even smaller ones and as those clouds, acted funny, maybe because they were clouds of calibrated vibrating frequencies of destroying energy, only on certain things, that would only go so far out and then up, as to the nature of them at work and the intensification made manifested for such in and of their use.

One thing we do know is that there is nothing here, but Energy and US, as Energy, as well, that can only be transformed, manipulated, combined, made greater or lesser and all Energies have different frequencies depending on what atomic structure they are made up from...of what, as in 99.9999% of all matter is void of anything, but Energy! As this is all an illusion as David says and he is right as in The Matrix or what better I like to call it is God's Holodeck where we all are playing The Game of Life in.

Yes, it had to of been a step up of the materials frequency to where it turned it into, a maybe even hidden sound of, vibrational field of it's own frequency of the material into smaller and smaller particles until you get down to large dust particles and then into the fine one's left, but I'm no scientist either, but things do come to me just like what Tesla said, things just came to him...when ask where he got all his knowledge from...and let me tell ya...the guy was one of the greatest inventor of all time and we still to this day use his electric motor...which he invented for that no good T. Edison to run all his machines and then cheated him out of what he said he would give him for doing such work and then you too have our Gov. here that stole all of his work right after he died, as they cleaned out his apartment of all his work and it said, he too had some ideas on particle beams and space weapons, as well.

But, yeah...I'll look more into her work, but still, as David said, as well, we have to find away that will bring us all together, as the few can't nor even can begin to beat the millions if not billions we all are and I have away, at that, as by a Great Spirit Awakening...where we all will know who we all really are, as in Spirit Beings and or Living Ghost...which ever the better to understand it and a Spirit Force of Energy to be reckoned with, as well, in and of which I can prove it all to be so, as it all is so, but it's a Spirit Energy Force that can and is combine to be made a greater Spirit Force of Real Energy to be all Reckoned with, as it will empower us all, as from the knowing comes the making...of The Great Spiritual Awakening and it will be the few that will be on their knees and not us...but we are of the good and right, as one would have to be...with something long ago forgotten...compassion and caring for our fellow mankind. :)

Yes, I'll read up on "Hutchison Effects" sounds like right up my alley...so to speak, as I have a few effects of Energy of my own, as in who we all are...a Spirit Force of Energy and all within this our consciousness world of oneness of one, as in we are all connected and within this place we call Earth, as well and all can be proven by I...as of right now, they say, my local Gov. here...I have to get my work signed off on before I can share it with other Countries and Nations that have shown concern and interest of a great Spirit Force, as we all are...of and in which, as I have said, I can and have even proven but was told what and how I do prove it is unethical or unfair...which between me and you...it's not, as we all do what I can do by mere Spiritual means alone...mine, for now, that is, as it can be taught, thus and therefore learned....not to have to mention, but also while at it prove The Super Natural and The Paranormal...all the while at it, but my work goes back some 40 years now and counting of such empowerment the likes the world have ever seen, but they have, as in I'd say about over half the people of EARTH have seen my work at one time or another, as not only is it possible for one to create one's own reality, but the reality everyone else sees and experiences, as well and that would include all of sports, as to who wins or not, as I said, we all do what I do...PULL, but only one can win in any race and I am the best that there is bar none and can prove that too but it all proves who we all really are, as in Spirit Beings and or Living Ghost, as I have said...that can be combined to make a greater Spirit Force of Energy and one's own empowerment, as well, in many of many things and ways...you have no idea of, as in how many, that is. Ron D...The Spirit Force, as we all are and soon I am going to prove it for all the world to know and be able to use, as for their own empowerment, but I know as you know...our Old Gov's won't like that all to well and would rather I just not, as so much, as they have said so...ya know what I mean? :)

PS...But, I like to put a record down here and there...so when I do, as I have even termed it, as to what we are made up of, as in Spiritron Particles that ride on waves of Energy...I have named and termed to be, as in Spiritational Wave Force of Energy, as in that's how we get from here, where I am, to even 1000's and 1000's of miles away from here and make a real and now, thanks to I, a measurbale difference, as to another's task at hand, but all to the Glory of God in which we all are made in His image, as that is how it only can and does work, but to The Mission...The Great Spiritual Awakening, as in these our last days as we know them to be...you will see great wonders and signs of the end of times as we know them to be, as in either total destruction or total advancement of our DNA to where anything and everything is and will be possible, as I said, you know...there is nothing here but US, as Spirit Beings and Energy...in and of which we all are of this infinite amount of possibilities we make into probabilities by our own act of our conscious observance that gives creation to all we see, hear, touch, taste and smell and by that act of observance and fact...we also can create our own reality in our consciousness world of oneness... but not only that... we also can create the reality everyone else sees and experiences, as well, as I have also said...as in all of our consciousness world... of this oneness that we all are about...as is a connectivity-ness in creating the reality of what will be and is...and I have a long time discovery, of this, that this...of what that can be created... even 1000's and 1000's of miles away, as I have said also, at that also... that's of created reality within someone else, as to their own conscious reality of what is, as to what they see and what they experience, as well...because we all are of this oneness and connectivity in Spirituality


But, if you'd like to rehash some of what all I have said...then read on as there are a few things in here that I am sure I haven't went over with you guys yet...But, that's capable of interacting within each other and making a real and now...thanks to I...measurable difference...as when we do or can by the awareness to do so or not, as I do and have for many of many years now...and it is...as we all do it or can...but most without even knowing that one does or can...but you and they do so, nevertheless...because it is inherited within us all to do so, as it is innate within us all, as a natural thing to do...as we all PULL or Push, Spiritually, for one or another to do good and be good... or not so good in any task at hand one might be about in and this is what that can be measured, by I...as I have devised ways...as in many ways...that do, in fact, prove this phenomenon that we all are, in fact, a Living Ghost...that can Spiritually interact within each other...as such...and make a real and measurable difference...just like what that God also does within us all, as well...as to try and influence us all to do good and right...but it is we...as these Living Ghost, also, as the machines inside of the machines...that can make a real and measurable difference within others, as to another's task at hand...and be that in whatever task that might be in...as long, as it is by the combination of our Spirit Beings in ways that helps others in their task to be good and right in what all that they do and can be that is better than they can be and do on their own...and that is what that I can prove...and beyond any reasonable doubt...whatsoever...and in events that's on our world stages... at that... also...worldwide and even in a Pres. debate, as well, as in who looks and sounds the best in usually who wins in such events...thus and therefore also...we can make real change in who and how this world is run, as when The Great Spiritual Awakening is made to be fully known and out into place by our own means and want's to. :cool:

But it is because we all are made in His image, God...that makes it all so, as it is all so and can be proven by I... and beyond any reasonable doubt whatsoever by I and that, also, that it is a Constant Fundamental Spirit Force of Energy in Nature within our Conscious World of this oneness from the beginning of both time and space, as God is The Great Spirit Force and a Constant Fundamental Spirit Force of Energy in Nature from day and time one and it is The God Particle...that is The Spiritron Particle, as I have named it or termed it to be...that is this force of energy that rides on a Spiritational Wave from one Spirit Being to another, as it would have to and does, as to combine to make a greater Spirit Force of Energy, as I can prove that it does and makes a real and measurable difference when we do, as the numbers can't nor won't lie...they just can't, as numbers don't lie, as I have discovery of yet another fundamental force of energy in nature and of course can prove it.

Let me state here...That I can offer up and show real proof of everything I say and can do by mere Spirit Interaction within like systems of my concern to do so and that is of and with empirical evidence, of these proofs...no less..that I have on record and can repeat them, as on a repeatable basis, at that...that will illuminate some of the most fundamental scientific truths and proofs of and in my generation that will not only shake up the world and stand physics on its head, but answer many of many questions, that most have in the field, that my own research tells me about in Quantum Theory and Physics that they are desperate to find the answers for and in very big ways, as we only have all of the infinite possibilities of everything to work with that we can and do make into created probabilities of our reality and of everyone else's reality, as well, or can, as I can...all those that can see and experience it, that is and that is beyond any mere chance, at that, by the effort to do so by one such as I and there is an end to the rabbit hole that they claim there is not and that is US...as the only things that are real and the only things that can be proven, as real, as everything we sense, as to see, hear, touch, taste and smell is all inside our head and you or anyone, other than I, can't even prove that you even exist, but we, as Living Ghost or Spirit Beings...can be measured outside of our heads of this 4 layered body suits...that's of our sense perceptions inside of our heads from the vibration of energy you sense that is turned into electrical signals going to your brain of everything we/you deem to be your/our reality, in this, God's Holodeck or The Matrix, as on a provable and even repeatable basis...but, as far as you know...you could and can very well be hooked up to some Aliens computer/PC with your brain inside of a jar somewhere because you don't know for sure or not, as you can't prove it or not, but I can prove I do exist and outside of this machine that houses who I really am, as in a Spirit Being Force of Energy and all of that many of many other things that all come with being able to do that and not only can prove it, but know it to all it's fullest potential, as I have devised many ways that do of the many things in The Super Natural and Paranormal ranges that, in fact, prove it all to be so and it is all so or can be, by I, to be made so if no one else can, because we all are Living Ghost that can make a real and measurbale difference outside of our own brains and the machine inside the machine...even 1000's and 1000's of miles away from where one is and of course, I can prove that too, but I am seeking to further my research, here in the states...or I can just, as easily, work with the Russians or China, from right here where I am to where ever they might be at...as they have the means to do so and they show much interest in my work and are even working themselves along some of the same lines as I am, but I am looking along scientific avenues, as well and get credit where credit is due...for my work of over 40 years now and counting...week-in and week out and year in and year out, as well...about it all and my own education in open source learning and real life experiences...which imo is the only way to find the real truths in and of life and thus the real proofs, I can and have offered up of and from my applied research in and of my empirical evidence of the truths of many things...that can't be explained, but only proven and most of my answers, as they do in most other Spiritual people with Spiritual knowledge...the answers just come to them and it is the same way within me, as to our conscience and mind...like such greats minds as Einstein and Tesla...whom said, as much, it just comes to me...the answers to great questions and knowledge of great truths.

So, I can prove of yet another fundamental force of energy...The Spirit Force in nature, other than the so called only known 4, as in Electromagnetism, Gravity, Super and Lower Atomic Energies...as I have devised ways, make that, many ways that do, in fact, prove of yet another fundamental force, in nature and more likely than not...the first, as in The Quantum ( in the sense of a qualitative unlimited) Fundamental Spirit Force of Energy, as in our God...of creation...and in and of nature...that was yet to be created...out of, as from The Big Bang Theory in which our Universe expands onward and outward till the end of our days, as we know them to be...of and in which these days could very well be our last days, as we know them to be...as there are many signs to the facts of it being so...and all of what I can prove fits all right into what that's been written, as in the last days all will have a chance to know and not live by mere faith alone...and this is "The Mission" I am on...To prove to the world that we all are, in fact, a Living Ghost or Spirit Being...if you will and I am the only man on our planet that can prove many things that can't be explained, but only proven and in many ways, at that...because I am a Spirit Force, as we all are and I can prove that too, as I have said about at least a good # of times now...vbs...as one to be reckoned with and that's for sure and provable my I and any and all help I might get here, on our website, as in the ones that do and can get my foot in any door to be able to prove it all so, as it is all so...then 10% of all that it is worth and they say anyone that can prove something that can't be explained, as in the paranormal...would be worth millions. So, there you go...you bring them to me and I'll prove it to them, as the numbers can't nor won't lie, as my proof is based on the numbers of the difference I can make by mere Spirit Interaction within another, as to that anothers task at hand in a step up or step down, as to their performance in such. TY Ron The Spirit Force, as we all are and I can prove that too! :)

OK, that was all from where I had it on my Website and just rewrote it here for ya...if ya like to read it once again but some of it all is new. TY Ron :D

My Disclaimer...This is of my work and is not to be used in anyway, shape or forum unless you or whomever talks it all over with me first, as to what your plans are to do with it all... in this rough draft form, as it is now. TY Ron D...The Spirit Force, as we all are and it is I that can prove that as well. "All Rights Reserved!"

PS...Will edit this at a later date...disregard mistakes till then....just a rough draft for now. Ty Ron
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[dreamscope]

Loose Change;
Its another 911-Consumerist/PopStar production. I have to admit I haven't watched any of the new versions, but if they're talking about planes and thermite then they're using fake evidence to steer a debate into the ground; like Gage, and Jones, etc.

Its a massive psyop. :)


I'm well aware of the 'Big Lie' concept and yep that definitely applies to 9/11. Considering the huge majority of the U.S. population would not have seen anything half as traumatic as this, it's no wonder they would accept the official line without question. At first.

Not sure if I can agree with you on Loose Change being a big deception; their evidence concerning events leading up to 9/11 gives the greatest indication of an inside job and cover-up. Not to mention they also interview thermodynamics and metallurgical scientists who all point to the melted steel and raise the same questions you have. I can't see them doing this if they are trying to mislead people.

As for the 'planes' well here is a record of the conversations between air traffic control and the hijacked planes before they disappeared off the radar

http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/guardian_haveplanes.html

If these planes weren't hijacked, then why have the pilots / passengers not come forward?

If they were hijacked but they weren't flown into the WTC then again, what happened to them and where are the people who were on board? The transcripts make for interesting reading.

[heartysoup]

Not sure if I can agree with you on Loose Change being a big deception; their evidence concerning events leading up to 9/11 gives the greatest indication of an inside job and cover-up. Not to mention they also interview thermodynamics and metallurgical scientists who all point to the melted steel and raise the same questions you have. I can't see them doing this if they are trying to mislead people.

Melted steel and molten metal.

This is a big issue in 9/11 research. Was there really molten metal at ground zero? Steven Jones and the PopStars point to two heavily edited images and say 'yes, look, molten metal'.
Search for the images and you'll find them; one is of firefighters crouching around a light (whos color has been edited to show red), and another is of a crane supposedly picking up a gob of molten metal. The images of molten metal dripping from the towers are strange, as an identical 'molten metal' flow in one pictures comes out of a different window that another picture.

The story about molten metal is highly suspect.

Why would Dr Psyop E Jones lie about molten metal?

Because they are trying to make people think the towers were destroyed with explosives, a high heat event. When in reality, there is a lot of evidence that suggests there was little if any heat involved in the dustification process.

Again, you look at the pictures of molten metal and tell me if they look real.
Beyond the images, are the temperatures.... molten steel?!? If there was an active volcano in lower manhattan that day then yes, maybe there would be molten steel.

But there was no active volcano in manhattan that day; so I can't understand where this high intensity heat can come from.

Remember, there are dust cloud survivors that said the dust cloud was cooler/colder than the ambient air.

There is fabricated evidence everywhere. You, by watching "Loose Change", are conforming to PopCulture. Its true im sorry, that film came out AGES ago. We are in 2010 right now and much of 9/11 has been figured out.


As for the 'planes' well here is a record of the conversations between air traffic control and the hijacked planes before they disappeared off the radar


No planes hit anything. Here is a phone call with retired Aerospace Engineer Joseph Keith who designed the shaker system for boeing (anti-turbulence system):
http://s1.zetaboards.com/pumpitout/topic/687161/1/

He knew the plane videos were fake the moment he saw them because he has been engineering planes his whole life.


http://911research.wtc7.net/cache/planes/attack/guardian_haveplanes.html


I do not visit WTC7.net because they are trying to take attention away from TV FAKERY, NO PLANES, and DEW; and herd everybody into thinking about WTC7. Many websites are exactly the same. (most actually).
EDIT: and I clicked the link; its an article written by the Gaurdian newspaper. this is a hugely popular newspaper; they will obviously spread 'plane stories' just like any other major newspaper.


If these planes weren't hijacked, then why have the pilots / passengers not come forward?


If they didnt exist in the first place then I cant understand who you are expecting to come forward.


If they were hijacked but they weren't flown into the WTC then again, what happened to them and where are the people who were on board? The transcripts make for interesting reading.

Man there were no hijackings on 9/11. lol

No planes hit anything!

and they used a freaking directed-energy weapon to destroy basically the entire WTC.

all these popular "911 Truth" groups are cointelpro for christs sake.

look at all the popular 911 truth websites.. they ALL promote the same story of planes/thermite and they vehemently oppose ANYTHING related to TV Fakery and DEW.

look for yourself. the truth is suppressed buddy....

[dreamscope]

and I clicked the link; its an article written by the Gaurdian newspaper. this is a hugely popular newspaper; they will obviously spread 'plane stories' just like any other major newspaper.



If they didnt exist in the first place then I cant understand who you are expecting to come forward.



Man there were no hijackings on 9/11. lol

No planes hit anything!

and they used a freaking directed-energy weapon to destroy basically the entire WTC.


look for yourself. the truth is suppressed buddy....

Oh I'm well aware that the truth is supressed mate, believe me :)

Just that I fear that the 'truthers' themselves are capable of using any given photo, video, quote or otherwise to suit whatever theory they prefer to believe in.

However you are presenting your case well, and this is what I was hoping to come across here :cool:

The bottom line is that it is clear there was a cover up, and clear it was an 'inside job'.

Question, again: So there were no hijackings, that means all the recorded conversations and transcripts are acted out. That means that these aircraft did not in fact disappear off radar at all.

What about the ATC staff who came forward to say that what they saw on radar was moving too fast and turning too fast to be a jet liner? They saw something on radar...

If you want to go into the whole deception and infiltration of the truth-seeking movement, then yes it isn't far fetched to suggest that the deceivers will mix real 'revelations' with false evidence. In this case, obviously to distract attention away from such top-secret weaponry. Even on Loose Change, they interview an ex-spook who warns them of being infiltrated. How ironic.

[heartysoup]

What about the ATC staff who came forward to say that what they saw on radar was moving too fast and turning too fast to be a jet liner? They saw something on radar...


UAV? cruise missile?

your guess is as good as mine at this point.

there is a video of AGM158 cruise missile on youtube.. looks a bit like a plane...
then again, it could have been anything (except an 'airliner', 'jet', 'boeing', etc)

bottom line.... 911PopMovement like Jones, Gage, Loose Change, and everything else has to examined with a critical eye. Why are they so vehemently opposed to 'ridiculous theories' like 'no planes' and 'DEW'?

there you'll find the answers. i haven't found all the answers myself... but i believe i am much closer to the truth than i was listening to the PopStar movement (which includes literally POP STARS Charlie Sheen, Jesse Ventura, etc, these people ramble about planes and explosives)

and look at peoples scientific data...
it appears there is more data collection and analysis on Judy Woods website than any other in the history of 911 research.
www.drjudywood.com

yet she is the most suppressed 911 researcher. how can this be?
you already know the answer.

be critical and you'll figure it out in no time.

[anthr4x]

Long time lurker and first post.

I dont care what people say. I was on holiday in new york at the time of the attack and I saw clearly, both passenger planes flying into the towers and heard the roar of the engines. I lol so hard at all these conspiracy theorists who claim there were no planes.

Some ball was shot from a helicopter. rofl, yeah, a ball bigger than a helicopter was shot from, erm a helicopter.

[dreamscope]

@ Heartysoup, those few still-shots from the Pentagon that they released...UAV or small fighter jet was the first thing that crossed my mind. I'm going for UAV because of the fact it is practically skimming the ground.

Anyway, cheers. You're dead right about that Judy wood site

[heartysoup]

@ Heartysoup, those few still-shots from the Pentagon that they released...UAV or small fighter jet was the first thing that crossed my mind. I'm going for UAV because of the fact it is practically skimming the ground.

Anyway, cheers. You're dead right about that Judy wood site

Glad you found the site to be worthy of reading. Here is also the website of Andrew Johnson (from uk) who makes radio appearances w/ Judy Wood, and also made a couple presentations of her research; including a free book for download called "Finding the Truth".
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/

Thanks for taking the time to check out some of the links!

[air_bn]

UAV? cruise missile?

your guess is as good as mine at this point.

there is a video of AGM158 cruise missile on youtube.. looks a bit like a plane...
then again, it could have been anything (except an 'airliner', 'jet', 'boeing', etc)

bottom line.... 911PopMovement like Jones, Gage, Loose Change, and everything else has to examined with a critical eye. Why are they so vehemently opposed to 'ridiculous theories' like 'no planes' and 'DEW'?

there you'll find the answers. i haven't found all the answers myself... but i believe i am much closer to the truth than i was listening to the PopStar movement (which includes literally POP STARS Charlie Sheen, Jesse Ventura, etc, these people ramble about planes and explosives)

and look at peoples scientific data...
it appears there is more data collection and analysis on Judy Woods website than any other in the history of 911 research.
www.drjudywood.com

yet she is the most suppressed 911 researcher. how can this be?
you already know the answer.

be critical and you'll figure it out in no time.

It's all a game mate,for instance how do you know any of the data from any researcher like Gage/Jones/Wood/Johnson is reliable?
Meanwhile while people focus on the "data" trying to prove this theory or that spouting various fanastical ideas to the unconvinced, the desired post 9/11 effects continue.
If the media did what we're told they do in a democracy:D at the time, and asked some pertinent questions of the official story none of what has happened since could have easily occurred.
Hence the need for these theories that divide and distract from the official ludicrous theory in the last few years,in my opinion.

[3stepsahead]

i disagree with all of you

the mission of a spyop is that you do not figure out what really happened

so what makes you right in them conclusions eh besides "yeah i was there"

[heartysoup]

It's all a game mate,for instance how do you know any of the data from any researcher like Gage/Jones/Wood/Johnson is reliable?

Try to use the 'search' feature of the forum for things like this. Or just read about those people on the internet. I don't know what to tell you.
I've already explained a ton here and I'm not about to start all over. :)

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/images/stories/Truth%20vrs%20Thermite%20(Medium).jpg

[thespiritforce]

Long time lurker and first post.

I dont care what people say. I was on holiday in new york at the time of the attack and I saw clearly, both passenger planes flying into the towers and heard the roar of the engines. I lol so hard at all these conspiracy theorists who claim there were no planes.

Some ball was shot from a helicopter. rofl, yeah, a ball bigger than a helicopter was shot from, erm a helicopter.

Strange indeed, as in how there is "one of the eight witnesses_who_saw_and_heard_planes" on this forum.
What are the odds ?

BUT, NOW WE HAVE 2...THAT SAW BOTH PLANES AND HEARD THEM BOTH, AS WELL, HIT THE TOWERS, ON THIS FORUM, NO LESS!...YES, WHAT ARE THE ODDS NOW? :eek:

Now you've got me ROF&LMAO! :rolleyes:

[thespiritforce]

Try to use the 'search' feature of the forum for things like this. Or just read about those people on the internet. I don't know what to tell you.
I've already explained a ton here and I'm not about to start all over. :)

http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/images/stories/Truth%20vrs%20Thermite%20(Medium).jpg

But, here is my problem with the weapon, DEW = Direct Energy Weapon...is that someone could say, the Terrorist somehow got hold of it and did the job...nevetherless...I do believe it was an Energy Vibration making Weapon that, in fact, did turn the Twin Towers into dust and maybe these weapons were in the holes, shown in the pics, that shot their way though from the basements all the way through to the top of the Towers and back down...I don't know and sure as hell ain't sure...so, who can say how it happened or give us a workable Theory of how it could have if, in fact, it was a DEW that turned The Twins into dust or what are the Theories out there now of how it was done?

So, come on...let's here some Theories of how it could have worked...mine sounds the best, thus far. imo...Then we can shut down this Theory or that one till we get to a real workable one that makes sense...maybe? :confused:

[apollo_gnomon]

Strange indeed, as in how there is "one of the eight witnesses_who_saw_and_heard_planes" on this forum.
What are the odds ?

What do you mean 8 witnesses? You think out of 50,000 people within 6 blocks only 8 people saw and heard the most significant and visible event in the US ever? Maybe only a few people actually saw the FIRST impact, but crap sandwich, guy, the second impact happened with everyone who could watch watching!!

Given the CIA /Bin Laden connection and the obvious availability of mind control techniques, why wouldn't the CIA have just sent 20 men with box cutters to hijack airplanes? That's called a "cat's paw." They get the job done without having fingerprints all over it.

Imaginary energy weapons indeed.

[thespiritforce]

What do you mean 8 witnesses? You think out of 50,000 people within 6 blocks only 8 people saw and heard the most significant and visible event in the US ever? Maybe only a few people actually saw the FIRST impact, but crap sandwich, guy, the second impact happened with everyone who could watch watching!!

Given the CIA /Bin Laden connection and the obvious availability of mind control techniques, why wouldn't the CIA have just sent 20 men with box cutters to hijack airplanes? That's called a "cat's paw." They get the job done without having fingerprints all over it.

Imaginary energy weapons indeed.

I see they never taught you how to read very well, now did they, as in it was said, WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF US HERE HAVING ONE OF THE 8 WITNESES...THAT THEY KNOW OF...THAT "SAW/SEEN" and "HEARD both planes...HIT The Twin Towers AND NOW!...Now, you really want to get this PART!...So, I'll gooooo reaaaalllll slllooooww fooor yooou....WEEEE HAVE...YET ANOOOOTHERRRR OF THE ONLLLLY 8 WITNESSSSES KNOOOOWN TO OOOF SEEEEEN BOOOOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS...RIGHTTT HEEEREEE! YES, WHAT ARE THEEE ODDDDDS OF THAT HAPPENING...BILLION TO ONE, MAYBEEEEEEEE?:rolleyes:

2 OUT OF FRIGGIN 8 WITNESES AND THEY ARE BOTH RIGHT HERE TALKING TO US! and ONE Can't EVEN SPELL, NUW youk, or make that New York City...but he seen them both hit and heard them both also in the air as well.

So, they taught you how to read in The Service?:eek:

[heartysoup]

But, here is my problem with the weapon, DEW = Direct Energy Weapon...is that someone could say, the Terrorist somehow got hold of it and did the job...nevetherless...I do believe it was an Energy Vibration making Weapon that, in fact, did turn the Twin Towers into dust and maybe these weapons were in the holes, shown in the pics, that shot their way though from the basements all the way through to the top of the Towers and back down...I don't know and sure as hell ain't sure...so, who can say how it happened or give us a workable Theory of how it could have if, in fact, it was a DEW that turned The Twins into dust or what are the Theories out there now of how it was done?

So, come on...let's here some Theories of how it could have worked...mine sounds the best, thus far. imo...Then we can shut down this Theory or that one till we get to a real workable one that makes sense...maybe? :confused:

I dont think anybody can just 'get hold' of anything like this. :)

Which country has been putting hundreds of billions into 'missile defense' for the last 40 years?

DEWs in the holes? I don't know. Doesn't sound necessary.

Tesla's 'Death Ray' particle-beam weapon was conceived in the 1930s, I don't exactly know what the current state of DEWs are but I guarantee you its ridiculous. I think most if not all of the technology used to dustify the WTC comes from Tesla.

The towers were designed and built in the 60s, completed around 1971. They are sort of like a steel tuning fork. Whether or not the entire thing was planned in advance I have no clue.

edit: You mentioned something like an 'energy wave' being transmitted through the towers which I think is basically what happened. Tesla has also invented a way to transmit energy through the Earth; this could have been what people described as a 'huge explosion in the basement'. But I don't know how this could have started the dustification.

Another DEW hypothesis...

If you already have a static field because of Hurricane Erin, and you already have things that can transmit high intensity radio frequencies everywhere, then all you need is the microwave. (?) :)

I read that UAVs and/or communications satellites make crop circles with microwave beams. Might be something like that.
White plane could have something to do with it; again, maybe not.

Maybe I am wrong, and it's a totally different type of DEW.

It might not even require very much energy to dustify the steel tuning fork.

Just interfering w/ molecules so they break away from each other into what looks like a peeling avalanche/cyclone of dust, that keeps getting finer, and finer; the reaction continues. 'molecular disassociation'

Who knows what kind of device(s) are used to do this. I sure don't. But its probably multiple things.

Don't expect a one-worder like 'thermite'. lol

[thespiritforce]

I dont think anybody can just 'get hold' of anything like this. :)

Yeah, you're right about that...still, they play us for such dummies they think we will and do believe anything...anyway, that was just a thought in case they do come up with some BS, like such.

Which country has been putting hundreds of billions into 'missile defense' for the last 40 years?

No doubt, we have, but there are other countries that seem to be getting even more advanced, in certain areas, than what we are.

DEWs in the holes? I don't know. Doesn't sound necessary.

Still yet, makes you even wonder why the holes to begin with, as they surely did have to do with something or why would they of even been made...could have these DEW's been in the basements and then blown up, leave no evidence of them, as to the explosives some heard down in the basements?

Tesla's 'Death Ray' particle-beam weapon was conceived in the 1930s, I don't exactly know what the current state of DEWs are but I guarantee you its ridiculous. I think most if not all of the technology used to dustify the WTC comes from Tesla.

Yes, I know, for a fact, we have a particle beam weapon, as in one of them News Conferences one of the Top Brass let it slip, as someone ask him what kind of advanced weapons we did have and if it was this or that and he started out to say, Part.... and caught himself and said or talked about Laser Beam Tech instead.

The towers were designed and built in the 60s, completed around 1971. They are sort of like a steel tuning fork. Whether or not the entire thing was planned in advance I have no clue.

Man! Now that's advanced planing...maybe not so on that one, but as you say, who knows...still yet, they do use tuning forks to get the frequency of material and then amp it up, massive vibrations of same frequencies...to where they can destroy what they got the frequency from to begin with and if The Twin Towers were built like a Tuning Fork how much the easier it would be...lots I am sure.

edit: You mentioned something like an 'energy wave' being transmitted through the towers which I think is basically what happened. Tesla has also invented a way to transmit energy through the Earth; this could have been what people described as a 'huge explosion in the basement'. But I don't know how this could have started the dustification.

Tesla worked mostly in Volts as to where he could transmit them all over the Earth...well, once he had a coil of wire big enough to do so, he was, as to supply all the world with cheap electricity and yes, going right through it as well, to do so, but you can even see it's not feasible, as the instruments would of have to of been so huge...well, just not feasible or practical either, but he did have other inventions that were out of this world, as he also said, they talked to him from outer space...well, I don't know about that, but I do know that God or whatever that created this universe, as some Super All Powerful of all Energy, to me and imo...of our Universe, as that is without question now...about The Creation part, as from The Big Bang you must have a Banger, but point being tried to be made here is...there is someone out there that talks to us, as within our conscience and revels things of great knowledge to have and to be used for us, this I know of first hand, as did Tesla, as well, as he said, as much, as well too and along with Einstein and others of greatness with just what they had around them to use.

Another DEW hypothesis...

If you already have a static field because of Hurricane Erin, and you already have things that can transmit high intensity radio frequencies everywhere, then all you need is the microwave. (?) :)

Hummm...There is a field of electromagnetic energy around everything...what more so I mean is, as found in Wiki...Electrostatics is the branch of science that deals with the phenomena arising from stationary or slow-moving electric charges.

Since classical antiquity it was known that some materials such as amber attract light particles after rubbing. The Greek word for amber, ήλεκτρον (electron), was the source of the word 'electricity'. Electrostatic phenomena arise from the forces that electric charges exert on each other. Such forces are described by Coulomb's law. Even though electrostatically induced forces seem to be rather weak, the electrostatic force between e.g. an electron and a proton, that together make up a hydrogen atom, is about 40 orders of magnitude stronger than the gravitational force acting between them.

Electrostatic phenomena include many examples as simple as the attraction of the plastic wrap to your hand after you remove it from a package, to the apparently spontaneous explosion of grain silos, to damage of electronic components during manufacturing, to the operation of photocopiers. Electrostatics involves the buildup of charge on the surface of objects due to contact with other surfaces. Although charge exchange happens whenever any two surfaces contact and separate, the effects of charge exchange are usually only noticed when at least one of the surfaces has a high resistance to electrical flow. This is because the charges that transfer to or from the highly resistive surface are more or less trapped there for a long enough time for their effects to be observed. These charges then remain on the object until they either bleed off to ground or are quickly neutralized by a discharge: e.g., the familiar phenomenon of a static 'shock' is caused by the neutralization of charge built up in the body from contact with non-conductive surfaces.
close enough to be static and the Transmission of High Intensity Radio Frequencies of Energy in Vibrational forms of the material to made to be turned into dust...slowly but surely...you'd have a pretty good weapon of Directional/Vibrational/Frequencies of High Intensity of Wave Forces of Energy that would have to be placed or made on the spot to work and do the work for you, to wherever? imo

I read that UAVs and/or communications satellites make crop circles with microwave beams. Might be something like that.

Well, dang! That shot, all to hell, my idea of Aliens making them...still, microwaves can only travel in short distances, as in like 50 miles at the most, I think.

White plane could have something to do with it; again, maybe not.

Yes, that White Plane was something right out of the blue and another weird plane was seen over the Pentagon as well, but not white and more like a vessle to hold a Cruse Missile that made the hole in The Pentagon right where all the records were kept of and about the 2.3 Trillion Dollars that came up missing the very day before 9-11. Some say, even...That there was a long white chalk mark across the Pentagon lawn right in front of where it hit..like a target to aim at...ya know. ;)

Maybe I am wrong, and it's a totally different type of DEW.

It might not even require very much energy to dustify the steel tuning fork.

Yeah, since we have figured out it was design to act like one and they use Tuning Forks to get the Frequencies of different materials...that with enough High Intensification...could more than likely turn anything into dust...but why and how to slowly...well, guess you just couldn't have them disappear right away...ya know?

Just interfering w/ molecules so they break away from each other into what looks like a peeling avalanche/cyclone of dust, that keeps getting finer, and finer; the reaction continues. 'molecular disassociation'

Yep, break up the molecules and then the Atoms by it's own Frequency Vibrations on and of high intensification's and you could, as it would seem, but the directional technological needs of pinpoint accuracy, as from the top down, is totally amassing to me and I still wonder how...had to of been an invisible beam of high vibrational energy...of matching frequencies, of course.

Who knows what kind of device(s) are used to do this. I sure don't. But its probably multiple things.

Yes, I'd say it was more than just one device or maybe not, as one with it all put together, as one unit and high class weapon, at that!:confused:

Don't expect a one-worder like 'thermite'. lol

No, that was long ago...now. vbs Ron D...The Spirit Force of Energy, as we all are and it is I that can and even has proven it, but they say, no...I can't...let it be known, unless I get it signed off by our FBI, that is, as it will empower you all...can't have that, now...can we? Also...I have discovery of yet another Fundamental Force of Energy in all of Nature...other than the known 4 of Gravity, Electromagnetism, Super and Lower Atomic Energies and as the 1st one, at that, as in what that did, in fact, ignite The Big Bang Theory, as I've said, if you have a Bang...then you have to have a Banger, as of to date they don't even have a possibility of what that, in fact, did Ignite The Big bang Theory, but I do and can prove it! Just some added thoughts you might like to think about as well or help on. :) ;)

Always good to talk with you...I enjoy it. :D

[3stepsahead]

while were at morale now, would you think, when there is an war going on you will be stading in the street with an eye up, just in case another bomb falls on your head? or will you gtfo and perhaps secure life and limbs of yours.

i would suggest that the ammount of people in the given area arent that high at all when the second is incoming.


whats your finds in the analysed to be fake videos thats spewing all over the nets?

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[anthr4x]

Strange indeed, as in how there is "one of the eight witnesses_who_saw_and_heard_planes" on this forum.
What are the odds ?

BUT, NOW WE HAVE 2...THAT SAW BOTH PLANES AND HEARD THEM BOTH, AS WELL, HIT THE TOWERS, ON THIS FORUM, NO LESS!...YES, WHAT ARE THE ODDS NOW? :eek:

Now you've got me ROF&LMAO! :rolleyes:

You are the stereotypical conspiracy theorist. You only believe what ever supports your argument.

Are you saying there were only 8 witnesses? What a crazy thing to say. COnsidering I was glued to the hotel TV and radio for the 2 weeks or so it took me to get out of new york, there were hundreds of witnesses being interviewed stating exactly what I saw. But obviously, that is explainable. They were either

1. Brainwashed into saying what they said because of some huge NWO coverup.
2. Actually NWO operatives
3. Computer generated voices/images that werent real.

Which one was it? 1,2 or 3 or are you going to claim there were only 8 witnesses still?

[thespiritforce]

You are the stereotypical conspiracy theorist. You only believe what ever supports your argument.

Are you saying there were only 8 witnesses? What a crazy thing to say. COnsidering I was glued to the hotel TV and radio for the 2 weeks or so it took me to get out of new york, there were hundreds of witnesses being interviewed stating exactly what I saw. But obviously, that is explainable. They were either

1. Brainwashed into saying what they said because of some huge NWO coverup.
2. Actually NWO operatives
3. Computer generated voices/images that werent real.

Which one was it? 1,2 or 3 or are you going to claim there were only 8 witnesses still?

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SON...THERE HAS ONLY BEEN 8 WITNESSES THAT HAVE CAME FORWARD AND CLAIMED TO HAVE...SEEN AND HEARD...BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS.

You tell me Mr. Not-so-know-it-all....how many were they that seen not JUST ONE...BUT...BOTH OF THE PLANES HIT EACH TIME ONE OF THEM DID OF EACH ONE OF THE TWIN TOWERS??? AND WHAT'S THE ODDS OF US HAVING 2 OF THEM THAT DID RIGHT HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT???

Anymore that would like to show how much they can't read too? :rolleyes:

And we wonder how they are getting away with it...here is proof positive how they are...no one can even read a story right or the truth of it all. SHEESH! :(

AND NOT LATER ON WATCHING THE TV OF IT A 1000 TIMES OVER AS YOU MUST HAVE AND NOW CLAIM THAT YOU TOO...YES, YOU...SEEN BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS...ONE AT A TIME AND HEARD THEM BOTH TOO...SO! YOU MAKE 3 WE HAVE HERE NOW THAT HAS SEEN AND HEARD BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS...YES, WHAT ARE THE ODDS NOW OF 3 OF THE ACTUAL 8...RIGHT HERE...ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD...TALKING TO US ABOUT IT ALL...ZILLION TO 1...I'D SAY! A ZILLIOIN TO 1!!!!

[fallen1]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies

This guy is constantly saying that nothing except the official reports are true....he posts these kinds of things all over the forums and says that everyone here is crazy. In other words he's a big and obvious shill on the payroll of the government.

EDIT: apparently two more shills appeared.....the government must really be getting desperate with their attacks on the forums that discuss the truth. This is a good sign that real progress is being made to stop them.

[thespiritforce]

This guy is constantly saying that nothing except the official reports are true....he posts these kinds of things all over the forums and says that everyone here is crazy. In other words he's a big and obvious shill on the payroll of the government.

That's the truth and you can see they don't pick the brightest bulb in the cabinet to tell their lies either...must also make minimum wage too...and this one seems to be a cheap knockoff, at that. :rolleyes:

[chrysoprase]

What do you mean 8 witnesses? You think out of 50,000 people within 6 blocks only 8 people saw and heard the most significant and visible event in the US ever? Maybe only a few people actually saw the FIRST impact, but crap sandwich, guy, the second impact happened with everyone who could watch watching!!

Given the CIA /Bin Laden connection and the obvious availability of mind control techniques, why wouldn't the CIA have just sent 20 men with box cutters to hijack airplanes? That's called a "cat's paw." They get the job done without having fingerprints all over it.

Imaginary energy weapons indeed.


I was going to say the same thing yesterday. Once the first tower was hit, everyone on the street was watching that tower. 50,000 people sounds about right. There are always tons of people on the streets there. So they are all watching the tower burn, taking pictures, videos, etc.

And then there were all the people in their high rise homes, watching, taking pictures and videos.

It is well documented. And completely obvious.

Where does the idea of 8 witnesses come from?:D

But then, I did not even bother to post that. If someone does not realize how many witnesses there are, it does not even seem worth arguing over.

[fallen1]

I was going to say the same thing yesterday. Once the first tower was hit, everyone on the street was watching that tower. 50,000 people sounds about right. There are always tons of people on the streets there. So they are all watching the tower burn, taking pictures, videos, etc.

And then there were all the people in their high rise homes, watching, taking pictures and videos.

It is well documented. And completely obvious.

Where does the idea of 8 witnesses come from?:D

But then, I did not even bother to post that. If someone does not realize how many witnesses there are, it does not even seem worth arguing over.

Get off the government payroll and then start talking. The people on the streets were like ants on the ground under a tree and the planes hitting were completely unexpected. The only way to see something up there would be to walk looking 90% up which would make it impossible to navigate the streets so very few people actually "saw" the supposed planes hit and then after the first supposed plane hit the chaos made most people turn to the TVs to find out what happened while your government's agents confiscated footage from private cameras and prohibited individuals from filming on the streets.

Not to mention that among those who did see something there were conflicting reports.....people weren't sure what they saw....some said it was a helicopter others said small plane yet others still just weren't sure. That's because there were no bloody planes.

[rolf harris]

[/SIZE]...YES, WHAT ARE THE ODDS NOW OF 3 OF THE ACTUAL 8...RIGHT HERE...ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD...TALKING TO US ABOUT IT ALL...ZILLION TO 1...I'D SAY! A ZILLIOIN TO 1!!!!


hey big shot, where is your proof that only 8 people witnessed planes?

new york is a highly populated city and you seem to think that only 8 people

could have seen the planes???? Is this your theory?

[dude111]

This compelling new evidence shows that we were not told the truth by the PTB...This has been QUITE OBVIOUS from shortly after this happend!

[fallen1]

hey big shot, where is your proof that only 8 people witnessed planes?

new york is a highly populated city and you seem to think that only 8 people

could have seen the planes???? Is this your theory?

More people saw what hit the towers.....and each has a different account about what it was that hit the towers. Everything from helicopters to military jets was reported by local witnesses and that's because nobody knows for certain what the hell those balls are. What we CAN be certain of is that those things were no planes regardless how much the government pays some to come on this forums and cloud the issue with lies and by dragging the discussion off topic.

[air_bn]

I don't think the government are all that interested in these forums to be fair:D
Aggressive looking posts with rolleyes are not a very persuasive method for pushers of any particular theory,to be sure.While I'm here, are there any difinitive facts for anything shown or stated in the media that couldn't be planted to muddy the waters on that day, does anyone think?

[heartysoup]

I don't think the government are all that interested in these forums to be fair:D

'Obama Staffer Wants 'Cognitive Infiltration' of 9/11 Conspiracy Groups'
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/obama-staffer-infiltration-911-groups/

You're right though, these forums in particular have a bad taste of alien/reptilian disinfo and therefore makes us seems like lunatics.

Oh well, we can't have everything.

[chrysoprase]

More people saw what hit the towers.....and each has a different account about what it was that hit the towers. Everything from helicopters to military jets was reported by local witnesses and that's because nobody knows for certain what the hell those balls are. What we CAN be certain of is that those things were no planes regardless how much the government pays some to come on this forums and cloud the issue with lies and by dragging the discussion off topic.

To be honest, I think the issue is being clouded with the talk of no planes. I think there were planes. However, that does not mean that the destruction was not enhanced with other methods.

Has anybody ever checked the passenger lists and tracked down all the people to follow up on this?

I know some of those planes had well known people on them. What happened to them?

[fallen1]

To be honest, I think the issue is being clouded with the talk of no planes. I think there were planes. However, that does not mean that the destruction was not enhanced with other methods.

Has anybody ever checked the passenger lists and tracked down all the people to follow up on this?

I know some of those planes had well known people on them. What happened to them?

As far as I know the passenger lists were never made public....all the more reason to believe there were no planes. Unless you have a source that gives name lists other than names related to some rigged call some guy supposedly made during the flight you would do well to consider that there never were any planes.

[chrysoprase]

The passenger lists were made public. I saw them shortly afterwards. Also, I saw several news stories about the different passengers. I can vaguely remember some of them, atheletes, a whole family, reporters, veterans.

I also remember that Barbara Olsen a regular guest on Bill Mahr's "Politically Incorrect" was on one of the planes. She was flying to Los Angeles that day to be a guest on his show.

For the rest of that week, he left one chair empty as a memorial to her. He was a mess that day and the rest of the week. It looked like he had not showered or washed his hair. He ended up getting fired for things that he said. He blamed the government for what had happened and he got fired for it.

I don't need to look up those passenger lists and news stories, I saw them.

But if anyone wants to know what did or did not happen, they should look them up themselves. There are some oddities, such as the hijackers names were not on the passenger lists, and reports that not everyone's families on the passengers lists collected from the compensation fund.

But there are lists and if people want to prove this theory they need to track down all those people.

I am open to the possibility of not everyone on the lists were on the plane.

But as far as there being no planes? New Yorkers would have been coming forward and saying they don't not see the planes.

Instead they came forward with what they did see. They have also been several documentaries compiling all of the witnesses footage of that day. So many different viewpoints all seeing the same thing.

After the first plane hit, people were watching. Make no mistake about that. There was nearly two hours between these planes and everyone was watching during those two hours. The first plane flying into the WTC - you don't think that was a huge story? It stopped people in their tracks.

[anthr4x]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, SON...THERE HAS ONLY BEEN 8 WITNESSES THAT HAVE CAME FORWARD AND CLAIMED TO HAVE...SEEN AND HEARD...BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS.

You tell me Mr. Not-so-know-it-all....how many were they that seen not JUST ONE...BUT...BOTH OF THE PLANES HIT EACH TIME ONE OF THEM DID OF EACH ONE OF THE TWIN TOWERS??? AND WHAT'S THE ODDS OF US HAVING 2 OF THEM THAT DID RIGHT HERE TO TALK ABOUT IT???

Anymore that would like to show how much they can't read too? :rolleyes:

And we wonder how they are getting away with it...here is proof positive how they are...no one can even read a story right or the truth of it all. SHEESH! :(

AND NOT LATER ON WATCHING THE TV OF IT A 1000 TIMES OVER AS YOU MUST HAVE AND NOW CLAIM THAT YOU TOO...YES, YOU...SEEN BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS...ONE AT A TIME AND HEARD THEM BOTH TOO...SO! YOU MAKE 3 WE HAVE HERE NOW THAT HAS SEEN AND HEARD BOTH PLANES HIT THE TWIN TOWERS...YES, WHAT ARE THE ODDS NOW OF 3 OF THE ACTUAL 8...RIGHT HERE...ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD...TALKING TO US ABOUT IT ALL...ZILLION TO 1...I'D SAY! A ZILLIOIN TO 1!!!!

DId you read my post? There were HUNDREDS of people interviewed straight after on various media outlets who claimed to have saw 2 planes. Both planes. If you dont want to believe that, fine. You stay wrapped up in your little bubble and dont forget your tin hat whilst you are at it

[heartysoup]

DId you read my post? There were HUNDREDS of people interviewed straight after on various media outlets who claimed to have saw 2 planes. Both planes. If you dont want to believe that, fine. You stay wrapped up in your little bubble and dont forget your tin hat whilst you are at it

No. Sorry.

This misconception that hundreds of people saw the planes is complete bullshit.
The most honest sounding descriptions come from people who didn't even know there was a plane.

Here is one such account (and there are many):
Just type into YouTube "no plane witness" and you get a bunch.

No Plane Witness - YouTube

The only people constantly pushing impossible plane-impact scenarios are the media reporters and anchors.

Everybody else was watching on TV.

The sound of a Boeing 757 (or 767, whatever) doing over 550mph, 700ft in the air, in Manhattan, would be deafening to anyone around the WTC.

You should have expected THOUSANDS to HEAR it SCREACHING/SCREAMING through the air, and LOOK UP...

But unfortunately no one heard the non-existent plane; thats why we have all these dumb-ass TV personalities / liars telling us there were planes...

Its not too hard to understand.
Plus look at the impact videos, they are faker than hair-product commercials.

[apollo_gnomon]

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You can estimate yourself the number of people within a mile of the WTC.

As far as HEARING the airplane, people on the ground at the very base of the twin towers were about 2 seconds away, but there are high rise apartments all over lower manhattan that had visibility of the impact. By the time someone on the ground heard the airplane, the impact sequence was already complete.

If there were no planes, then EVERY ONE of the following cameras had to be controlled by the evil cabal, and NOT ONE random citizen with a camcorder would be allowed to film the second impact from any of the vantage points in a ten block radius.
All Known Footage of Second Plane Impact, Every Angle Covered - YouTube
youtube.com/watch?v=DoE8Uz2ia3M

[chrysoprase]

Yep. On the average day 50,000 peopled worked in the towers, with 200,000 people walking by.

As you say, add in all the people living and working in the high-rise buildings who were watching this unfold. Factor in the friends and families of those workers who lived in the vicinity. They were watching for two hours, worried wondering if their loved ones were okay - they too saw the second plane hit.

I have seen countless videos taken by the average man on the street. Not only were the filming the towers, but they were filming people's reactions.

As people were gathered in shock on the street, watching, the second plane hit. There was a collective gasp all around the city. I saw it, I heard it from all these gathered amateur videos. Because when that second plane hit everyone knew it was no accident. And there were screams of terror all around. I guess some people missed that, frankly I am surprised because these reactions were thoroughly documented.

Also, across the water in New Jersey, people were gathered on the shore watching the whole thing once the first plane hit. They also were filming. They saw the second plane hit and started screaming, yelling as they were filming.

Because these were the tallest buildings, the view was clear. All eyes were riveted.

I have also seen several amatuer videos taken from people who were living and working in the high rises. Again, you hear the total shock when the second plane hit. No one was expecting that. In one video you hear a mother screaming at her child, telling them to get back in their bedroom because the kid came out and wanted to know what mom was yelling about. In another you hear a man repeating "oh my god, oh my god" Again, these reactions were when they saw the 2nd plane hit.

New Yorkers and those from New Jersey are known for being outspoken. And speak they did. They talked about what they saw. If there was a random person who did not see and they decided to make a video about how they are oblivious to their surroundings - that is their problem. But to take it to the next level and say because they did not see the plane there was no plane - that is downright stupid.

On a personal level, I knew someone who was working down the street (in a ground level office). He told me that after the first plane hit, no one wanted to work, they wanted to go outside and watch, because it was so bizarre.

So that number of people on the street was increased that day. People had two hours to go out and watch what was happening before the 2nd plane hit. And they did because, again, it was so odd that an airplane flew into the first tower and no one could take their eyes off of it.

[chrysoprase]

To anyone who hasn't seen any of these videos I have talked about, and there are hundreds of them available, as well as documentaries that have gathered these videos - I suggest that you check them out.

Maybe you were not interested enough when the event occurred. Maybe now you are only interested enough to google "no plane theory", and it is a shame. It is an extremely dramatic and emotional event and your are missing out on a huge part of history.

The drama was so high that day, that when peoples cameras were trained on the towers, and after the 2nd planet hit, the cameras naturally swooped down to take in what was happening on the streets.

Also, it is very interesting to see all the different angles of the plane hitting the tower (footage taken from high rise buildings). Some of these videos are very close up.

These towers were over 100 stories high. Do you know how high that is? The highest building I ever worked in was 45 stories high and you could see these buildings from much of the sprawling West Los Angeles area.

Imagine the view that everyone had of the WTC.

And check out the piece of history that you are denying.

[thespiritforce]

hey big shot, where is your proof that only 8 people witnessed planes?

new york is a highly populated city and you seem to think that only 8 people

could have seen the planes???? Is this your theory?

For the last friggin time for you people that are brain dead in all of this...THERE WERE 8 PEOPLE THAT CAME FORTH...THAT ANYONE KNOWS OF, SO FAR, THAT IS...AND CLAIMS TO HAVE "SEEN & HEARD BOTH PLANES" HIT THE 2 TWIN TOWERSNow, that's what has been reported and it SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME...IF EVEN MORE THAN LIKELY HALF OF THEM SEEN A HELI OR A SMALL PLANE...SHEESH! And we wonder still...how in hell do we let them get away with it when we have such smart people everywhere you turn...NOT! :rolleyes:

[thespiritforce]

To anyone who hasn't seen any of these videos I have talked about, and there are hundreds of them available, as well as documentaries that have gathered these videos - I suggest that you check them out.

Maybe you were not interested enough when the event occurred. Maybe now you are only interested enough to google "no plane theory", and it is a shame. It is an extremely dramatic and emotional event and your are missing out on a huge part of history.

The drama was so high that day, that when peoples cameras were trained on the towers, and after the 2nd planet hit, the cameras naturally swooped down to take in what was happening on the streets.

Also, it is very interesting to see all the different angles of the plane hitting the tower (footage taken from high rise buildings). Some of these videos are very close up.

These towers were over 100 stories high. Do you know how high that is? The highest building I ever worked in was 45 stories high and you could see these buildings from much of the sprawling West Los Angeles area.

Imagine the view that everyone had of the WTC.

And check out the piece of history that you are denying.

Do you know how high that is? No, but I do know a planet from a plane, as you said, "and after the 2nd planet hit, the cameras naturally swooped down to take in what was happening on the streets." You are so set on your take of it you don't even know what you write down here...and that is because you are so confused, as it plainly shows. :confused:

[thespiritforce]

The passenger lists were made public. I saw them shortly afterwards. Also, I saw several news stories about the different passengers. I can vaguely remember some of them, atheletes, a whole family, reporters, veterans.

I also remember that Barbara Olsen a regular guest on Bill Mahr's "Politically Incorrect" was on one of the planes. She was flying to Los Angeles that day to be a guest on his show.

For the rest of that week, he left one chair empty as a memorial to her. He was a mess that day and the rest of the week. It looked like he had not showered or washed his hair. He ended up getting fired for things that he said. He blamed the government for what had happened and he got fired for it.

I don't need to look up those passenger lists and news stories, I saw them.

But if anyone wants to know what did or did not happen, they should look them up themselves. There are some oddities, such as the hijackers names were not on the passenger lists, and reports that not everyone's families on the passengers lists collected from the compensation fund.

But there are lists and if people want to prove this theory they need to track down all those people.

I am open to the possibility of not everyone on the lists were on the plane.

But as far as there being no planes? New Yorkers would have been coming forward and saying they don't not see the planes.

Instead they came forward with what they did see. They have also been several documentaries compiling all of the witnesses footage of that day. So many different viewpoints all seeing the same thing.

After the first plane hit, people were watching. Make no mistake about that. There was nearly two hours between these planes and everyone was watching during those two hours. The first plane flying into the WTC - you don't think that was a huge story? It stopped people in their tracks.

You talk about someone with disinformation...you take the cake Lady, I'm sure, as you say this in one post up above..."Has anybody ever checked the passenger lists and tracked down all the people to follow up on this?

I know some of those planes had well known people on them. What happened to them? "

And now you claim to know all about some plane list, as YOU SAY, RIGHT HERE, NO LESS..."The passenger lists were made public. I saw them shortly afterwards. Also, I saw several news stories about the different passengers. I can vaguely remember some of them, atheletes, a whole family, reporters, veterans.

I also remember that Barbara Olsen a regular guest on Bill Mahr's "Politically Incorrect" was on one of the planes. She was flying to Los Angeles that day to be a guest on his show."

Yes, does anyone know more than you do after you acted like you didn't know sh-t, but now have become an expert on the planes list and people on board. Get out of here with your misleading lies and BS too!

[apollo_gnomon]

Because these were the tallest buildings, the view was clear. All eyes were riveted.

My new sig!

[apollo_gnomon]

For the last friggin time for you people that are brain dead in all of this...THERE WERE 8 PEOPLE THAT CAME FORTH...THAT ANYONE KNOWS OF, SO FAR, THAT IS...AND CLAIMS TO HAVE "SEEN & HEARD BOTH PLANES" HIT THE 2 TWIN TOWERSNow, that's what has been reported and it SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT TO ME...IF EVEN MORE THAN LIKELY HALF OF THEM SEEN A HELI OR A SMALL PLANE...SHEESH! And we wonder still...how in hell do we let them get away with it when we have such smart people everywhere you turn...NOT! :rolleyes:

I call bullshit on this.

Doesn't matter what size font you use, more than 8 people saw the most important event in teh 20th century -- the SECOND impact.

[apollo_gnomon]

Here's the scoop, paranoids.

You're so busy worrying about planes vs. noplanes, thermite vs. nanothermite that you're misled from the real questions.

WHO paid for 20 men to attend flight school in the US?


WHY??

Usama bin Laden (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.september11news.com/OsamsBinLaden2Lrg.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.september11news.com/OsamaBinLaden.htm&usg=__D2CJnoB9xTK_blhfu4TYl7aAbSU=&h=400&w=440&sz=18&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=RV7ORCiOVQD3lM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=165&prev=/images%3Fq%3DUsama%2Bbin%2BLaden%26um%3D1%26hl%3De n%26sa%3DX%26nfpr%3D1%26biw%3D1259%26bih%3D820%26t bs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=371&ei=scdsTMLJEsWHnQfUtpTjBw&oei=nsdsTI3fH4L6lwfl3ZjvDw&esq=3&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=77&ty=80) is a known factor. You can deny him, or affirm him. That's your choice. But he's a real person. Has a real history. Had (past tense) millions of Riyal (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/asia/saudi-arabia/currency.htm) available to spend however he wanted, until his family cut him off.

What horrible mind control program still runs that causes men (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq)and women (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/six-female-suicide-bombers-arrested-in-dagestan/410327.html)to strap bombs to their bodies (http://www.linktv.org/scripts/episode_transcript.php?episode=mosaic20100817) and kill innocent civilians (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/) in Iraq (http://thecitizen.co.tz/editorial-analysis/47-columnists/3591-is-present-day-iraq-better-off-than-saddams-iraq), Afghanistan (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/10/afghanistan-civilian-casu_n_676596.html)and Pakistan (http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/)?

[toty1994]

This person recently discovered the 'no planes' theory on youtube and decided to respond with his own experience. Are the only possibilities that he's either lying or mistaken?
Video response to 9/11 WTC "No Plane Theory" - my eyewitness account of the attack - YouTube
Embedding disabled - have to click 'watch on youtube' to view.

[chrysoprase]

[/B] And now you claim to know all about some plane list, as YOU SAY, RIGHT HERE, NO LESS[B]..."The passenger lists were made public.
Yes, does anyone know more than you do after you acted like you didn't know sh-t, but now have become an expert on the planes list and people on board. Get out of here with your misleading lies and BS too!

Hey Joker, have you even bothered to look at the passenger lists? They are still available.

[sofa king]

im in new yotk
i was there. i saw it. i saw the jets hit the buildings. i saw them fall.
i heard all those people screem to there death. you people s--k with your lies



I love how everyone that lives in NY "saw the jets hit"



Just like everyone that was alive in 1969 was at Woodstock.

[sofa king]

hey big shot, where is your proof that only 8 people witnessed planes?

new york is a highly populated city and you seem to think that only 8 people

could have seen the planes???? Is this your theory?




NY is full of towers.

NY is full of planes flying overhead.


Just how many people from ALL OVER the city were all looking up in unison when the first tower was hit? The WTC were damned tall and required extra effort to look all the way to the top.

Now, with all of the aforementioned towers in the city, how many people could acctually see the WTC at any given moment without another tower blocking the view?

So anyone suggesting that thousands upon thousands, or even worse - the entire city are completely full of shit. Revisionist history.

[sofa king]

Yep. On the average day 50,000 peopled worked in the towers, with 200,000 people walking by.





Yes, and the first imp[act happened much before the 9am start time of the office workers. 2,000 estimated dead, not 50,000. The other 48,000 were still en route to work. Most likely still in the subways.

[chrysoprase]

Just how many people from ALL OVER the city were all looking up in unison when the first tower was hit? The WTC were damned tall and required extra effort to look all the way to the top.

Now, with all of the aforementioned towers in the city, how many people could acctually see the WTC at any given moment without another tower blocking the view?

So anyone suggesting that thousands upon thousands, or even worse - the entire city are completely full of shit. Revisionist history.

http://www.bcuniversal.com/images/world-trade-center.jpg

All you had to do was look up and there they were. Nothing blocked the view of the tops of these towers. No extra effort required just tilt your head back.


At approximately 8:48 a.m. on the morning of September 11, 2001, the first pictures of the burning World Trade Center were broadcast on live television.
http://www.historycommons.org/essay.jsp?article=essayaninterestingday


With a population of about 1.5 million, how many people who did not see the first plane strike heard it on the morning news or saw the burning gaping hole in their beloved landmark? New Yorkers are known to be quick. Have you heard the expression "in a New York minute"?

So out of 1.5 million, how many do you think were already watching the towers when the second plane struck at 9:03am?

How many workers who never made it into the building?
How many tourists on the streets?
How many people on their way to work in the area?
How many people who knew one of the 50,000 who worked in the building?
How many people in the adjacent high rises listening to the news looked out their windows?

Out of 1.5 million how many saw? 8 people? 100? Or more?

Again, as I mentioned before there is video documentation of people watching the second plane hit from on the streets and in adjacent buildings. Once people saw the gaping, burning hole in the first tower, the cell phone cameras were out - as well as the tourists with their video cameras. Stop being obtuse.


In addition, there were people watching from New Jersey. Here is that view. The news was out that a jumbo jet had flown into one of the towers. Within the 10+ minutes, how many people with this clear view from New Jersey turned their heads to see the second plane strike. How many did not even need to hear the news - but already saw the firing burning in the first tower? And were watching awestruck when the second plane hit?

Stop insulting those who were there to witness this.

http://s3.images.com/huge.74.373322.JPG

Yes, and the first imp[act happened much before the 9am start time of the office workers. 2,000 estimated dead, not 50,000. The other 48,000 were still en route to work. Most likely still in the subways.

2995 dead. And nobody here said it was 50,000 dead.
Your are incorrect in your assumption that 48,000 were en route. What? You think they all start work at 9am? Get real. Thousands of people were successfully evacuated with the help of the firemen.

[chrysoprase]

Two amateur videos from different views of Flight 175:



2nd Plane - View from Apt. (30 seconds)

2nd Plane - Street Level (22 seconds)

[bryan]

http://www.bcuniversal.com/images/world-trade-center.jpg

All you had to do was look up and there they were. Nothing blocked the view of the tops of these towers. No extra effort required just tilt your head back.




With a population of about 1.5 million, how many people who did not see the first plane strike heard it on the morning news or saw the burning gaping hole in their beloved landmark? New Yorkers are known to be quick. Have you heard the expression "in a New York minute"?

So out of 1.5 million, how many do you think were already watching the towers when the second plane struck at 9:03am?

How many workers who never made it into the building?
How many tourists on the streets?
How many people on their way to work in the area?
How many people who knew one of the 50,000 who worked in the building?
How many people in the adjacent high rises listening to the news looked out their windows?

Out of 1.5 million how many saw? 8 people? 100? Or more?

Again, as I mentioned before there is video documentation of people watching the second plane hit from on the streets and in adjacent buildings. Once people saw the gaping, burning hole in the first tower, the cell phone cameras were out - as well as the tourists with their video cameras. Stop being obtuse.


In addition, there were people watching from New Jersey. Here is that view. The news was out that a jumbo jet had flown into one of the towers. Within the 10+ minutes, how many people with this clear view from New Jersey turned their heads to see the second plane strike. How many did not even need to hear the news - but already saw the firing burning in the first tower? And were watching awestruck when the second plane hit?

Stop insulting those who were there to witness this.

http://s3.images.com/huge.74.373322.JPG


Thanks. This is strong evidence for no planes.

[tarragon]

2 planes = 7 buildings down, The math isn't even right and then one more plane disappears into the Pentagon. Where?..hyperspace? Only in the land of the ostrich. I see a niche market in blinders in this country. I even believed it for a couple of months, after seeing the second tower turn to dust on the rot box at work. Heavy steel bundled tube construction turned to dust in seconds. No way. It even looked like controlled demolition. The flash burn temperature of jet fuel and the melting point of steel are too far apart. According to the official engineering info, it's 1517dF and about 2700dF respectively. They wouldv'e had to use a nuke to make it work. Sorry.

[thespiritforce]

I call bullshit on this.

Doesn't matter what size font you use, more than 8 people saw the most important event in teh 20th century -- the SECOND impact.

Look you half-mis=challenged...YES, MORE THAN 8 PEOPLE SAW THE EVENT AFTER THE FACT...BUT ONLY 8 SAY THAT THEY DID ACTUALLY DID SEE THEM BOTH HIT...IN REAL TIME...NOW, DON'T YOU GET WHATS BEEN SAID HERE OR NOT AND I'LL HAVW TO USE EVEN LARGER WORDS SO MAYBE YOU CAN SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HELL SOMEONE IS EVEN SAYING! Don't you get it...we know more than 8 people saw it on TV but, now here's goes...only 8 have came forth to say that they did see and heard both planes hit each tower at the different times in real time! sheesh!

Anyone else like to show your ignorance on this? I mean...reading is not all that hard...if you will but just read what the heck has been put forth for you to read...just read it right...for the love of God! I know we fall like 38 in the world in reading, but come on...this has been explained 5 times now I know of and some drunk wanders in here and reads...SAY WHAT? ONLY 8 PEOPLE SAW THE TWIN TOWERS BEING HIT...NOW, I KNOW THAT;S NOT TURE....ONLY 8 THAT REALLY DID SEE AND HEAR BOTH PLANES...IN REAL TIME, AS THEY HAPPENED...THE FIRST ONE THEY SAW AND THEN THEY ALSO SAW...THE 8 ONES THAT HAVE CLAIMED TO HAVE, NOW....AS SAID BY THE 8 THAT CLAIME THAT THEY DID...THE ALSO SAW THE SECOND PLANE TOO HIT ONE OF THE TOWERS...DOES THAT HELP EVEN THE LESS CHALLENGED THAN THE MOST OF US HERE?:rolleyes:

[chrysoprase]

If you bump up your font size a few more notches; then maybe your credibility will rise.

[thespiritforce]

If you bump up your font size a few more notches; then maybe your credibility will rise.

Or maybe so you will HEAR ME! But, I doubt it! You don't even know why you, do, make your letters higher...Answer...It's called hollering...so you can better hear what I am saying...get it now? :rolleyes:

[dreamscope]

Or maybe so you will HEAR ME! But, I doubt it! You don't even know why you, do, make your letters higher...Answer...It's called hollering...so you can better hear what I am saying...get it now? :rolleyes:

Maybe if you had a logical argument with a few less holes, you wouldn't have to shout. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it any more concrete.

[thespiritforce]

Maybe if you had a logical argument with a few less holes, you wouldn't have to shout. Repeating it over and over doesn't make it any more concrete.

OK, why don't you explain what was said and what it meant...if you think you can...properly, that is? I'll await to hear the truth or not about it. Thank you, you've been such a great help in this...not!

Now...EXPLAIN IT...RIGHT! While I'll hold my breath till you do...OK? In other words...don't dare leave me hanging here. lol

But, let's get one thing straight right up front here and now, as you claimed I was making my words bigger just to get some kind of credibility...right? Right...But, now we see you have changed your tune on that one, as now you say, I don't have to shout/holler if I had a logical argument to begin with...OK! SHOW ME WHERE I DON'T HAVE ONE AT???...LOGICAL ARGUMENT, THAT IS...NOT AT, YES, SHOW ME AND US ALL???? YES, PLEASE DO SHOW ME THAT I DON'T OR SHOW ME A LIE! UP TO YOU, NOW, MISS SMART ARSE...THAT APPRENTLY DIDN'T READ WHAT WAS FULLY SAID EITHER!:confused:

Yes, here is the deal, for you, that wants to butt in here and made to look foolish, as you are. Why was it said, only 8 witnesses, that have only came forth and reported such and I can go and get the statement...if I need to, but that they were the only one's that saw both planes hit and heard the sound of them, as well, on 9-11 or was it the 1000's and 1000's of New York's people that have SEEN IT ON TV AND DID that some here seem to have the two mixed up with? Yes, TELL US ALL...IF YOU PLEASE AND CAN?

I would just love to hear it, straight from your own words, as I am sure inquiring minds here, as well, would love to, also, HEAR YOU TELL IT...SO THEY TOO CAN KNOW! THE TRUTH OF THIS WHOLE DANG THING...Can ya hear me...now???!:eek: