what happened to the passengers if no plane hit

[a little doughnut]

this is a question that has probably been asked many times but i just cant be arsed going back looking?
if what your saying is true and either a military plane or some sort of drone plane hit the pentagon....then what has actually happened to the people that were on board the official flight?
i just cant honestly believe the claims that they were simply rounded up and shot and buried somewhere
could it be witness protection programme or something ?
this question is also for the other flight that supposedly crashed in the field?..

[policestate]

Flight 93

According to WCPO - This flight landed in Cleveland and was evacuated because of a bomb scare.

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

On behalf of the airline CEO James Goodwin said: "The thoughts of everyone at United are with the passengers and crew of these flights. Our prayers are also with everyone on the ground who may have been involved.

"United is working with all the relevant authorities, including the FBI, to obtain further information on these flights," he said.

look at when this story was reported:

Reported by: 9News Staff
Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM Eastern

http://web.archive.org/web/20021109040132/http://wcpo.com/specials/2001/americaattacked/news_local/story14.html

Here is another version of events from Wikipedia, with time stamped log events.

United Airlines Flight 93 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The plane crashed into a reclaimed coal strip mine in Stonycreek Township at 10:03:11. Eastern

[ultima1]

According to WCPO - This flight landed in Cleveland and was evacuated because of a bomb scare.

The plane that landed at Cleveland with a bomb scare was Delta Flight 1989.

It was confused for Flight 93 for a while.

[merlincove]

The plane that landed at Cleveland with a bomb scare was Delta Flight 1989.

It was confused for Flight 93 for a while.

Two planes landed in cleveland, flight 93 and flight 1989, it's been discussed already.

:D

The Hijacking Of United Flight 93 - YouTube

Flight 93 - YouTube

Loose change, it may be an old film but still relevant.

911 Loose Change (full-length) - YouTube

[policestate]

Oh of course. Loose Change is good. (They have a new film out btw 2009 ;) )

Yeah, i was just reading about the two planes too.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/flight93.html

[killtown]

Hey little doughnut,

A child was kidnapped near my area not too long ago. Where did they take her and what did they do to her?

[stannrodd]

Hey little doughnut,

A child was kidnapped near my area not too long ago. Where did they take her and what did they do to her?

Do you know KT ... ????

Seems to indicate knowledge when you use the word .. "they" ;)

[macgyver1968]

Even Killtown got in to the discussion....

Yet doesn't give a clear answer to the OP.

If these people are missing..where did they go?

[killtown]

Even Killtown got in to the discussion....

Yet doesn't give a clear answer to the OP.

If these people are missing..where did they go?
The answer lies in the answer to my question. I thought it was pretty self-evident. Sorry to give the benefit of the doubt.

[stannrodd]

I asked you a question
Do you know KT ... ????

Seems to indicate knowledge when you use the word .. "they"


Hey little doughnut,

A child was kidnapped near my area not too long ago. Where did they take her and what did they do to her?

Try answering the question.

[phildee3]

They need alot of people to be guinea-pigs in their experiments to transport to other dimensions and/or time-travel.

They need both individuals and groups of various sizes.

[merlincove]

Can members please refer to the OP and questions raised rather than attack each other, please?

:D

i've edited a few posts to keep the peace.

Cheers

[ellis_deatrip]

They need alot of people to be guinea-pigs in their experiments to transport to other dimensions and/or time-travel.

They need both individuals and groups of various sizes.
And David Crosby gets his 16th liver transplant! :D

[bryan]

Even Killtown got in to the discussion....

Yet doesn't give a clear answer to the OP.

If these people are missing..where did they go?

It's not clear why the OP asks the question. Is it just out of curiosity?

[luciferhorus]

i just cant honestly believe the claims that they were simply rounded up and shot and buried somewhere



So you cannot believe that the world's leading terrorist organisation (US state terrorist military) would kill anyone?

?

So much for the modern education system.

Lux

http://1984usa.com/higherlearning/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/depleted-uranium_2005.jpg

[ultima1]

Two planes landed in cleveland, flight 93 and flight 1989, it's been discussed already.

I see no real evidence that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland, only Delta Flight 1989.

Also there is a document i am trying to get through FOIA that Flight 93 might have been shot down.

[noncooperation]

So you cannot believe that the world's leading terrorist organisation (US state terrorist military) would kill anyone?

?

So much for the modern education system.

Lux


If farmers have no problem killing untold numbers of animals a year, why would the powers that be have a problem kiiling some of us - after all we know they see us as cattle, they said so!

[bryan]

Hey little doughnut,

A child was kidnapped near my area not too long ago. Where did they take her and what did they do to her?

The JREFers know the answer to these questions:

"If we don't know where they took her or what they did to her, then she must be at school."

[kooskoets]

I can think of three possibilities :

-they are in on it, accepting money and keep silent.
-they were killed
-they never existed ( fake id )

[phildee3]

They were transported through a portal to another dimension, I tell you.

Heck, the Philadelphia Experiment was 57 years ago now!


What I'd like to know is how the communication is between the worlds.
That's probably where the technological challenge is now.

[egokiller]

one of the toughest questions always thrown at you, a break through or any progress in this area of the 911 mysteries would be great, if they didn't crash with the watched and permitted and paid hyjackers or remotely go into the towers that is? ...

[ultima1]

Heck, the Philadelphia Experiment was 57 years ago now!

Don't be talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, as far as the Navy is concerened its still classified.

[phildee3]

Don't be talking about the Philadelphia Experiment, as far as the Navy is concerened its still classified.

Of course it is - because the development of that technology continues through to the present time!!

So why should we not talk about it?
Are you with the military?

[ultima1]

So why should we not talk about it?
Are you with the military?

Yes, i was in the Air Force.

But on a serious note there have been people trying to do more research and find out more about the project but the Navy will not allow acces to much of the information becasue it is still classified.

[phildee3]

Yes, i was in the Air Force.

But on a serious note...



My question was serious.
I asked if you are with the military, not were,
and I appreciate your response.



...there have been people trying to do more research and find out more about the project but the Navy will not allow acces to much of the information becasue it is still classified.



I'm not doing research on this.
2 + 2 = 4. This we already know.
There is no reason not to mention the Philadelphia Experiment when jumbo jets full of passengers dissappear -

...unless there is a connection there that the military want covered up.

If you are discharged then you do not owe them the duty of assisting in that cover up, do you?

[thedefender]

I think its easy to assume the passengers were just killed. Why go through the fuss of paying them off. They would have to be put into protection societies as well and live on a controlled military surveillance complex.

The other theory is that nobody was ever boarded on the plane.

[ultima1]

I'm not doing research on this.
2 + 2 = 4. This we already know.
There is no reason not to mention the Philadelphia Experiment when jumbo jets full of passengers dissappear -

1. The jets were not full of passengers.

2. There is no video of the passengers or hijackers boarding the planes.

[thedefender]

Then Donald Rumsfeld says shit like this;

Donald Rumsfeld - Flight 93 was Shot Down - YouTube

[cinbad]

I see no real evidence that Flight 93 landed at Cleveland, only Delta Flight 1989.

Also there is a document i am trying to get through FOIA that Flight 93 might have been shot down.

My sister's friend was on a plane that was grounded in Cleveland. She told my sister that they were told there was a hijacking. Then the captain came on the intercom later and said "They got em". Whatever that meant. And if it was shot down why was there no wreckage? We will probably never know the answers.

[phildee3]

1. The jets were not full of passengers.



Sorry - quarter full (give or take).

It makes no difference.



2. There is no video of the passengers or hijackers boarding the planes.



Is there usually?

Has nobody verified the missing status of those on the flight lists?

[ultima1]

Has nobody verified the missing status of those on the flight lists?

1. If the fires were as hot as stated the heat would have destroyed DNA evidence.

2. Only recently has the FAA listed 3 of the planes as being destroyed.

[phildee3]

If the fires were as hot as stated the heat would have destroyed DNA evidence.



What??

Have we been talking at cross-purposes?
I'm on a thread called "what happened to the passengers if no plane hit."
Where are you?

...and your answers have no bearing on my question whatsoever:
Are those on the flight lists actual, missing people?

[ultima1]

...and your answers have no bearing on my question whatsoever:
Are those on the flight lists actual, missing people?

My answer is the most correct answer.

1. The passengers are dead, but its just the fact of when, where and how that is the question.

2. Along with the fact of the FAA not showing all planes as being destroyed.

[phildee3]

The passengers are dead, but its just the fact of when, where and how that is the question.



If you don't know when, where or how
how can you possibly know they are dead?

[killtown]

when, where or how
how can you possibly know
Exactly, so why do you skeptics keep asking us truthers?

[phildee3]

Exactly, so why do you skeptics keep asking us truthers?

huh?

What makes me a skeptic?

What do you think I'm skeptical of,
and what have I asked?

[killtown]

huh?

What makes me a skeptic?

What do you think I'm skeptical of,
and what have I asked?
You're a truther?

[phildee3]

You're a truther?



Am I?

[killtown]

Am I?
*troll alert*

[phildee3]

*troll alert*

Wow!
"Skeptic," "truther," "troll."
Pretty slick with the labelling, aren't we?
Do you work for Tesco?

[ultima1]

If you don't know when, where or how
how can you possibly know they are dead?

1. We have no evidence they are alive.

2. We have loads of DNA, just not complete about when, where and how.

3. Holes in chain of custody for DNA makes when, where and how quesionable.

[phildee3]

We have no evidence they are alive.



Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.

You said that they are dead, not alive.
You need evidence that they are dead.

I said they are alive.
I need to provide evidence of that, and I did.
You tried to silence me (which is, itself, another piece of my evidence).



We have loads of DNA, just not complete about when, where and how.



Okay, here's your evidence. I don't know about this, can you fill me in? (link?)



Holes in chain of custody for DNA makes when, where and how quesionable.



Thus negating your evidence.

[antipodean]

First of all there needs to be evidence, that the passengers actually existed.

[phildee3]

First of all there needs to be evidence, that the passengers actually existed.

Of course.
Is there not?
Did they not have jobs, family, friends, collegues?

[ultima1]

Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.

Actually it is, its used in court all the time. If you do not have evidence that is evidence in court.

You said that they are dead, not alive.
You need evidence that they are dead.

Well we have no evidence they are alive so they must be dead.

I said they are alive.
I need to provide evidence of that, and I did..

No you did not provide evidence.

[policestate]

Of course.
Is there not?
Did they not have jobs, family, friends, collegues?

Do you know these people?

[phildee3]

Actually it is, its used in court all the time. If you do not have evidence that is evidence in court.

Well we have no evidence they are alive so they must be dead.

No you did not provide evidence.



Well, using your criteria then, I must be right.

[kbeet]

maybe there still under ground where the building pushed them when it fell. you want to go look for them. not everyone that died was found yet

[antipodean]

maybe there still under ground where the building pushed them when it fell. you want to go look for them. not everyone that died was found yet


Can you link to any dead that were found.

[thedefender]

There are still many victims who still haven't been identified. They just didn;t return home that day. However, the months and even YEARS following 9/11 they find certain areas around the WTC site....blocks away where human remains are found. We are talking about small and even microscopic remains found on rooftops. Those who still haven't been identified were probably lost in the dust.

[antipodean]

There are still many victims who still haven't been identified. They just didn;t return home that day. However, the months and even YEARS following 9/11 they find certain areas around the WTC site....blocks away where human remains are found. We are talking about small and even microscopic remains found on rooftops. Those who still haven't been identified were probably lost in the dust.

Your struggle to find evidence of any WTC victims. The twin Towers were not only virtually untenanted, but were actually untenable.

Here are some brief extracts from Eric Darton's book "Divided We Stand". Written in 1999 about the increasingly decrepid WTC 1&2
http://www.padrak.com/dividedwestand/

From Page 190:

Outside, tucked nearly against the rear wall of the hotel, directly
over the spot where the bomb detonated, stands the memorial for the
victims. But there are days when the plaza winds blow garbage into its
concentric marble rings faster than the maintenance crews can clean
them out, and some visitors apparently do not realize-despite the in-
scription in English and Spanish around its rim recording the names of
the seven fatalities-that the memorial is not a Dumpster.



DETAILS: THE PHYSICAL PLANT

Pacing out the periphery of the trade towers in the late 1990s, one nav-
igated a cracked badlands of sidewalk crudely patched with mismatch-
ing cement. The weathered, gray (originally white) Italian marble

From Page 191:

paving on the plaza was a spiderweb of cracks, a condition that under-
mined the addition of benches and flowerbeds and the tinkling medley
of new-age harmonics emanating from a score of tiny speakers mounted
beneath Yamasaki's arcades. Construction equipment and barricades
around the site appeared to have been deployed and then abandoned
by a retreating army.

And up in the towers, where asbestos removal was still under way,
a host of details pointed toward a rift opening up within the trade cen-
ter itself. In 1985, when New York State moved most of its offices out,
Dean Witter consolidated its operations in twenty-four floors of Tower
2 under a twenty-year lease. Visiting the brokerage and investment
firm's offices and cafeterias, one invariably found them spotlessly
maintained. But on adjacent floors, particularly those with multiple
tenants, the paint was dingy, the carpets were stained, fixtures re-
mained broken, and burned-out fluorescent lights went unreplaced, as
did discolored ceiling tiles. And the listing of a company on the direc-
tory did not reliably indicate that a company was still there.

And who indeed was there, inhabiting the self-proclaimed heart of
world trade? In 1966, as the PA was bulldozing Radio Row, the City
Planning Commission reported that "the prime objective of the WTC is
to simplify and expand international trade by centralizing and consoli-
dating within the Center essential world trade services and activi-
ties.... The Center will contain only government agencies and private
firms which play a part in international marketing and in the adminis-
trative processing of world trade. " [Italics mine.] Yet according to its own
1993 occupancy survey, the Port Authority found that trade service and
import-export tenants accounted for only 5 percent of its leases.

The Port Authority closed out the 1990s with a stream of press re-
leases announcing the rental of unimaginably huge quantities of trade
center office space to "cutting-edge" firms like Sun Microsystems. Yet
around the complex a million square feet stood empty, and the build-
ings originally intended as great catalyzing chambers of world trade
were, by degrees, transforming into a kind of disjunctive real estate
layer-cake. One story above the carpeted, wood-paneled offices of a
Japanese securities firm, a group of artists filled bare walls with boldly
colored images and hung sculptures from the exposed ceiling girders of
a vast echoing cavern. As part of a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council
program that turned some of the vacant space in the towers over to
artists rent-free, 40,000 square feet of concrete floor lay paint-
spattered and strewn with the raw materials of a creative urge that has
never been easily reconciled with the imperatives of a bottom line.

From Page 195:


But it was already passing its prime as office space, overtaken by a gener-
ation of more recent, cybernetically "smart" buildings with higher ceil-
ings and greater built-in electrical capacity. To maintain the trade
center as class-A office space commanding top rents, the PA would
have had to spend $800 million rebuilding its electrical, electronic
communications, and cooling systems. Then came the bombing and,
according to Charles Maikish, former director of the PA's World Trade
Center Department, a repair bill of $700 million and hundreds of mil-
lions in lost revenues. The Port Authority, however, possessed capaci-
ties far beyond those of a commercial landlord, among them a $2.6
billion annual budget and the ability to generate capital through bonds,
tolls, fares, and airport disembarkation tariffs. The PA had the where-
withal in 1993 to rebuild the trade center and perform the necessary
renovations-but then came another assault, one far more devastating
to its institutional integrity.



From Page 204:


Ever since Nelson Rockefeller made the WTC viable by pouring
20,000 state office workers into the entirety of Tower 2, New York State
had maintained a continuous presence there. In January 1996, Gover-
nor Pataki announced that he was moving the trade center's last state
tenant, the governor's office itself, to cheaper, more convenient space
in midtown.

ACCENTUATE THE POSITIVE

The February 1993 blast in the basement of the World Trade Center
killed 6 people, injured 1,000 others, displaced 50,000 workers, and
threw 900 Vista Hotel and Windows on the World employees out of
work, but it also provided a modest boost for the regional economy.
This, at any rate, was the conclusion the Pout Authority came to in an
April 1993 report released six weeks after the bombing.

Admitting that its analysis did not account for "intangible
losses"-such as the 2,300 cases of post-traumatic stress disorder
diagnosed by the PA's chief psychologist-the agency predicted that
the jobs and economic activity generated by the explosion would re-
sult in a net gain of $200 million. Wage losses from the closing of
trade center facilities would be offset by the earnings of thousands of
workers undertaking what the PA termed a "fast-track" reconstruc-
tion effort.

For the agency, this silver lining was due in part to the ease with
which the 350 bombed-out trade center tenants could be moved into
abundant vacant office space nearby. Breathing an almost palpable
sigh of relief, then-PA chair Richard Leone noted that relocating ten-
ants would have been far more protracted and expensive had the ex-
plosion occurred in the boom year of 1985.

And what occupants that there were inside the Towers, would have been evacuated prior to their collapse.

The below photo taken just after the alleged 2nd hit from the nearby Millenium Hilton, shows just one person on the concourse, at what would have been the busiest time of the day.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/hollywoodpsychic/nyc/008.jpg

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1155592/board/flat/114569930?d=114958803&p=2#114958803

[stannrodd]

Really interesting post antipodean ...

... were the terminal tennants chosen ..what do you think ??

I ask because the question is now there ...

:confused:

[ultima1]

Well, using your criteria then, I must be right.

No you are not right.

You have not proven anything using actual evidence.

[phildee3]

No you are not right.

You have not proven anything using actual evidence.



But you say that an absense of evidence is evidence of absense.
We haven't even talked about proof yet (that would be rediculous - neither of us has proof of our hypotheses).

[ultima1]

But you say that an absense of evidence is evidence of absense.
We haven't even talked about proof yet (that would be rediculous - neither of us has proof of our hypotheses).

Sorry but i have more actual evidence to support what i post then you do.

I have done actual research and sent FOIA requests, and e-mails.

[thedefender]

That is a really interesting picture. It should be noted that many people did not go into work that day or decided to go in late. Which is very weird and unusual. I could understand if 9/11 was on a Monday but it was a Tuesday. Not only this...a relative of mine who worked at the WTC decided to take the later bus to work that day. Why? Hmmmm.... I should ask him a few questions!

[ultima1]

That is a really interesting picture. It should be noted that many people did not go into work that day or decided to go in late. Which is very weird and unusual. I could understand if 9/11 was on a Monday but it was a Tuesday. Not only this...a relative of mine who worked at the WTC decided to take the later bus to work that day. Why? Hmmmm.... I should ask him a few questions!

Kind of like at Oklahoma City where the FBI did not take their kids to the day care center the day it was bombed.

Also the reports of "black" helcopters flying around that morning.

[antipodean]

That is a really interesting picture. It should be noted that many people did not go into work that day or decided to go in late. Which is very weird and unusual. I could understand if 9/11 was on a Monday but it was a Tuesday. Not only this...a relative of mine who worked at the WTC decided to take the later bus to work that day. Why? Hmmmm.... I should ask him a few questions!

Did your relative work in the Twin Towers ?

If so can you name the company they worked for ?

[antipodean]

Really interesting post antipodean ...

... were the terminal tennants chosen ..what do you think ??

I ask because the question is now there ...

:confused:

Take a look at the list of alleged tennants and decide for your self, chosen or invented.

http://tbtf.com/unblinking/arc/2001-09a.htm

[christ4life]

Maybe they were taken to an underground base. There is one right under the Denver airport so there could be one under other airports as well. Which would probably be the likely senario considering they wouldn't have to leave the airport, and people would think they got on the plane.

[christ4life]

That is a really interesting picture. It should be noted that many people did not go into work that day or decided to go in late. Which is very weird and unusual. I could understand if 9/11 was on a Monday but it was a Tuesday. Not only this...a relative of mine who worked at the WTC decided to take the later bus to work that day. Why? Hmmmm.... I should ask him a few questions!

I know one lady said her birthday was on that day thats why she didn't show up for work. It was probably the best birthday she ever had, but I'm sure it bothered her what happened to the other workers. Very sad beyond words.:(

[dedicate]

The fact may be -- some of those people, on flight 77,, may have never existed in the first place.

Someone shows us a picture and gives us a name,,, but there is no further investigation.


P.S.. Remember Barbara Olsen? There was a report she was found in Eastern Europe with millions of dollars while trying to cross a border. But that report disappeared as soon as it appeared.

[phildee3]

Maybe they were taken to an underground base. There is one right under the Denver airport so there could be one under other airports as well. Which would probably be the likely senario considering they wouldn't have to leave the airport, and people would think they got on the plane.

Now somebody is using their brains.
This is more like it,
only I prefer the more "exotic" explanation that they were experimentally transported to another dimension.

[macgyver1968]

P.S.. Remember Barbara Olsen? There was a report she was found in Eastern Europe with millions of dollars while trying to cross a border. But that report disappeared as soon as it appeared.

Oh it's still around.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=78990

The story was originated by Tom Flocco. This is the original version, claiming she was arrested at the Polish/Austrian border. It was later pointed out that Poland and Austria don't share a border, and it was changed.

It should also be noted there is no "interbank" in Italy...It's the Bank of Italy..and the Italian lira stopped being used in 2002, when they switched to the euro. There are 1.9 million lira to a Euro...so having "millions" of worthless lira isn't really that great.

Also note there are only 558 people in the world that qualify for a Vatican passport. Not really the best choice if your going to counterfeit a passport.

The whole story is made up, and has never been confirmed from any other source.

[3stepsahead]

Crew:
LORRAINE BAY, Highstown, N.J., flight attendant, United Airlines.
SANDY BRADSHAW, 38, Greensboro, N.C., flight attendant, United Airlines.
JASON DAHL, 43, Denver, captain, United Airlines
WANDA GREEN, 49, Linden, N.J., flight attendant, United Airlines.
LEROY HOMER, 36, Marlton, N.J., first officer, United Airlines.
CEE CEE LYLES, Fort Myers, Fla., flight attendant, United Airlines.
DEBORAH WELSH, 49, New York, N.Y., flight attendant, United Airlines
Passengers:
CHRISTIAN ADAMS, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German
Wine Fund
TODD BEAMER, 32, Cranbury, N.J., account manager, Oracle Corp.
ALAN BEAVEN, 48, Oakland, Calif., environmental lawyer
MARK BINGHAM, 31, San Francisco, Calif., public relations firm owner
DEORA BODLEY, a 20-year-old Santa Clara college student, grew up in San
Diego and graduated from La Jolla Country Day School. She is remembered as
compassionate and strong-willed young woman. "Diora would stand up for what
she thought was right. She would go against the opinions of others if she
thought she was doing the right thing," Mary Ann Brower of La Jolla Country
Day School told 10News in San Diego.
MARION BRITTON, 53, assistant regional director, U.S. Census Bureau
THOMAS E. BURNETT JR. 38, San Ramon, Calif., was senior vice president and
chief operating officer of Thoratec Corp., a medical research and
development company. He was aboard United Airlines Flight 93 when the plane
crashed southeast of Pittsburgh, the company said. Burnett had been with
Thoratec since 1996.
WILLIAM CASHMAN
GEORGINE ROSE CORRIGAN was an antique and collectibles dealer who once owned
a shop at Kilohana Square, Honolulu. She was on the East Coast on a buying
trip for a November collectibles show.
PATRICIA CUSHING,69, Bayonne, NJ, retiree.
JOSEPH DELUCA
PATRICK DRISCOLL
EDWARD FELT, 41, Matawan, N.J.
JANE FOLGER,73, Bayonne, NJ, retiree.
COLLEEN FRASER, 51, Elizabeth, N.J., chairwoman, New Jersey Developmental
Disabilities Council
ANDREW GARCIA, 62, Portola Valley, Calif.
JEREMY GLICK, 31, West Milford, N.J.
KRISTIN GOULD
LAUREN GRANDLOCAS, 38, San Rafael, Calif., sales worker at Good Housekeeping
magazine
DONALD F. GREENE, 52, Greenwich, Conn.
LINDA GRONLUND, 46, Warwick, N. Y., environmental compliance, BMW
RICHARD GUADAGNO, 38, of Eureka, Calif., a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
manager at Humboldt Bay National Wildlife Refuge, was on United Flight 93.
He worked for the federal government for 17 years at wildlife reserves in
New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware and Oregon. Anne Badgley, director of the
agency's Pacific Region, described Guadagno as "one of our finest managers."
He is survived by his parents and a sister.
TOSHIYA KUGE, 20, Tokyo, Japan, student
HILDA MARCIN, 79, Budd Lake., N.J., retired teacher's aide
WALESKA MARTINEZ, 37, automation specialist, U.S. Census Bureau
NICOLE MILLER, 21, San Jose, student, West Valley College
LOUIS J. NACKE, 42, New Hope, Pa., distribution center director, KayBee Toys
DONALD PETERSON, New Jersey
JEAN PETERSON, New Jersey, was the daughter of former Armstrong World
Industries Vice President Walter Hoadley.
MARK ROTHENBERG, Scotch Plains, N.J., owner, MDR Global Resources
CHRISTINE SNYDER, 32, Kailua, Hawaii, arboirst, Outdoor Circle
JOHN TALIGNANI, 72, Staten Island, N.Y., retired restaurant worker
HONOR WAINIO

these are from rense
flight 93
any takers?

[thedefender]

In the above post listing those on Flight 93. Why is it thay United Airlines could not provide an age for two of their employees?

[3stepsahead]

well i would suggest because that list is often described as uncomplete and that investigation has put it together, and that the faa et al has not denied nor confirmed its validity.

i dont know how the original release looked like either.
just google and youll probably ifnd the age for them.

[thedefender]

well i would suggest because that list is often described as uncomplete and that investigation has put it together, and that the faa et al has not denied nor confirmed its validity.

i dont know how the original release looked like either.
just google and youll probably ifnd the age for them.

There is probably a few. Yea.

The point I was going to make is that they are probably all fake anyway.

[3stepsahead]

http://www.peekyou.com/christine_snyder/112085060

christine snyder

would be 41 this year ?

there is 1x christine snyder age 41 living in new york.

fun game now your turn

[azureangel]

OK, sorry I'm not versed in posting links. But this bothered me to the max. So I looked, mostly on this forum, and found, through many posts and links to other sources: there were only between 200 and 300 passengers listed between the 4 flights; quite unusual for a weekday morning. There was an unidentified plane grounded that morning at Cleveland airport for some hours, reported as witnessed by other passengers on another grounded plane there at the same time. The information reported by witnesses was that those passengers were finally unloaded and taken to a NASA (I think) facility conveniently nearby. I also read that death certificates have not been filed for many of the passengers listed to have been on the planes. :confused: In addition, many of the passengers were employed by agencies which showed connections to the 911 scam, many from high-tech agencies. I don't believe that any of the planes which took off with passengers actually crashed into the towers, the pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania. My opinion is that there were drones in NY and no planes hit elsewhere. I suspect that many people were just taken somewhere else, to bases inside Earth or elsewhere. The next step would be to actually look for these folks: were there funerals? I apologise to anyone who may have lost an innocent in this horrific mess. But, the more I looked, the stranger it seemed. I was relieved to find out that it was only 200-something people at any rate.
Love, angel

[dan duchaine]

I suspect that some of the passengers did not exist and had fake ids or were already dead and their identities stolen. The hijackers are mostly still alive in saudi arabia. So these people werent on the 'plane'.

I suspect some of the passengers were in on it. There seems to be a large number of military / media or ex government passengers. If in on it, then these people obviously were not on any 'plane'.

So that leaves the rest

Of these:

I suspect that some were murdered on the ground. Probably the people they couldnt fake, like the cabin crew and the pilots. Easy to murder 40 or so people if you are prepared to murder thousands later that day.

I suspect that a few were kept back to make some calls (from the ground). If you listen to this call by ceecee lyles you can here someone say 'you did good' at the end of it. Someone standing over her with a gun?

CeeCee Lyles airphone call allegedly from UA93 - YouTube

I suspect none of these 'passengers' or flight crew ever took off.

Flight 11 and flight 77 were not scheduled to fly that day. And i suspect that neither did.

[a little doughnut]

I suspect that a few were kept back to make some calls (from the ground). If you listen to this call by ceecee lyles you can here someone say 'you did good' at the end of it. Someone standing over her with a gun?


that is astonishing....where can that be found :eek:

[dan duchaine]

I suspect that a few were kept back to make some calls (from the ground). If you listen to this call by ceecee lyles you can here someone say 'you did good' at the end of it. Someone standing over her with a gun?


that is astonishing....where can that be found :eek:

Its in my link, click on it. Or type ceecee lyles 911 into youtube. The listen and turn the volume up. At the end, as she hangs up, there is a womans voice that you can hear.

[3stepsahead]

there a a couple of video interviews off the people who recieved phonecalls from the planes. they all look quite shady at minimum.

the only credible sounding call ive heard is from a guy stuck inside the wtc just before it implode.

besides that one, none of the callers are capable of calling 911 sevices to report whats happened? but rather just call 3 or 4 times to family, even leaving voice mail... kind of odd. litsen to the lyle inteview and see how he is basically reflecting on how his own story doesnt make any sence.

infact those interviews seem scripted as if the guys are doing an imaginative script audition unaware of what its use will be.
:confused::confused:

[kornstar]

Just on the missing people/plane's topic.

A friend of mines Aunty was on the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon. Obviously i can never discuss this issue with her and ask too many questions as it is quite inappropriate to state to someone who has lost a loved one that the plane never actually hit the pentagon and her relative may have been murdered......

Anyways, one thing she has told me is that they got one thing back from the rubble, her wallet.

Not a burn or scuff mark on it, this may be normal and i am sure someone will come on and say that this happens etc. but i did find it odd that the wallet survived without even as much as a mark.......

I was watching the whole saga unfold here in Australia as i was watching the news when they said a plane had hit the first tower.

I was glued to the TV for the next 12 hours straight until i passed out asleep (it happened around 10:30pm at night here).

The one thing that always sticks out for me about the Pentagon was that when it first happened and they were interviewing people they all said that they thought it was a bomb and that they saw a hellicopter circling. It wasn't until a little later that they said it was a plane.

There is a pretty big difference between and plane and hellicopter as far as i am concerned! I was also never convinced from the very beginning that a plane had hit the Pentagon, just by looking at it........

I don't know whether i believe it was an inside job etc. but i do know that something is not right with the whole thing and there are cover ups somewhere here.

[ultima1]

I don't know whether i believe it was an inside job etc. but i do know that something is not right with the whole thing and there are cover ups somewhere here.

What gets me is with all the cameras around and on the Pentagon that we have not seen a photo or video of what hit the Pentagon.

[thedefender]

What gets me is with all the cameras around and on the Pentagon that we have not seen a photo or video of what hit the Pentagon.

And they want everyone to believe there was a plane?:rolleyes:

[dreamscope]

And they want everyone to believe there was a plane?:rolleyes:

On those very few video stills that the FBI actually did release, you can actually make out something flying into the Pentagon. Now I don't know what it was, but it certainly didn't look half as big as a Commercial liner.

http://74.125.67.100/imgres?imgurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/may2006/160506_plane77_contrast_adj.jpg&imgrefurl=http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2007/11/pentagon-flyover-theory-rip.html&usg=__FR_9UGccY1xzwJ6tpR3ftTnXgh4=&h=288&w=423&sz=16&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=waQQV83zcBBtEM:&tbnh=127&tbnw=180&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplane%2Bhits%2Bpentagon%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7_____en%26biw%3D963%26bih%3D544%26tb s%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=124&vpy=76&dur=31&hovh=185&hovw=272&tx=141&ty=104&ei=GXZpTLuKIYH6lwedyoSBBA&oei=GXZpTLuKIYH6lwedyoSBBA&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0

http://74.125.67.100/imgres?imgurl=http://membres.multimania.fr/applemacintosh2/GlobalHawk.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread541460/pg2&usg=__UL9JG3CZf6nlQdYrAQzjZW3XpAg=&h=809&w=492&sz=31&hl=en&start=24&tbnid=DezDIF6FWhrLUM:&tbnh=134&tbnw=81&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplane%2Bhits%2Bpentagon%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7_____en%26biw%3D963%26bih%3D544%26tb s%3Disch:10%2C572&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=391&ei=UnZpTLD2J4GC8gan_4y3BA&oei=GXZpTLuKIYH6lwedyoSBBA&esq=5&page=3&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:24&tx=43&ty=31&biw=963&bih=544


http://74.125.67.100/imgres?imgurl=http://www.edwardsdavid.com/media/msnbc/images/msnbc_911_pentagon_plane_vid_060512b.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/perino-says-no-terrorist-attacks-during-bush-presidency-someone-might-want-to-tell-her-about-911/blog-200025/%3Fpage%3D4&usg=__J68r5B32chYEr0AglkCAsN822lg=&h=240&w=320&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&tbnid=HOawdOj4d7Ey2M:&tbnh=127&tbnw=178&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dplane%2Bhits%2Bpentagon%26um%3D1%26hl %3Den%26sa%3DG%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-US%26rlz%3D1I7_____en%26biw%3D963%26bih%3D544%26tb s%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=512&vpy=73&dur=500&hovh=192&hovw=256&tx=149&ty=83&ei=b3ZpTKmhD4P58AaPre23BA&oei=GXZpTLuKIYH6lwedyoSBBA&esq=4&page=1&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0

[kbeet]

this is a question that has probably been asked many times but i just cant be arsed going back looking?
if what your saying is true and either a military plane or some sort of drone plane hit the pentagon....then what has actually happened to the people that were on board the official flight?
i just cant honestly believe the claims that they were simply rounded up and shot and buried somewhere
could it be witness protection programme or something ?
this question is also for the other flight that supposedly crashed in the field?..

all the rubble and steel tore there bodys apart and the heet vaperized them. is that what you want somone to say

[anthr4x]

Two planes landed in cleveland, flight 93 and flight 1989, it's been discussed already.

:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x2eMQUtnZs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH_dZ_QAYLs

Loose change, it may be an old film but still relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

/thread

[dan duchaine]

http://letsrollforums.com/happened-passengers-4-flights-t20496.html

Best explanation i have seen. They double boarded flight 93, then landed it in clevland and disembarked all passengers there, under the cover of flight delta 89 with a suspected bomb on board.

[kornstar]

What gets me is with all the cameras around and on the Pentagon that we have not seen a photo or video of what hit the Pentagon.

Agreed, the pathetic camera shot they gave us could not have been the only vision of one of the most powerful buildings in the world could it????

[ultima1]

Agreed, the pathetic camera shot they gave us could not have been the only vision of one of the most powerful buildings in the world could it????

If what hit the Pentagon is what is in the official story why can't they show it? It would stop all the theories and support the official story.

[phildee3]

If what hit the Pentagon is what is in the official story why can't they show it?



Oh dear!
That's not what hit the Pentagon.
Don't you get it yet?

[ultima1]

Oh dear!
That's not what hit the Pentagon.
Don't you get it yet?

We do not know what hit the Pentagon becasue they will not show it and the official reports have not been released.

[phildee3]

We do not know what hit the Pentagon becasue they will not show it



Correct.



and the official reports have not been released.



What official reports?
The only ones I know of say that a jumbo jet hit it
and we know that's not true.

[anthr4x]

This part of the link I posted earlier quite easily puts to bed any conspiracy theories about what hit the pentagon

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg2.html

As you can see, the author totally rips the theories and the guy who made the documentary into shreds but it still amazes me that the conpsiracy theorists still point to this shockingly amateurish video as being the gospel when it comes to what happened on 9/11

[thedefender]

If they were able to fabricate a plane hitting the WTC why wouldn't they create a video of a plane hitting the Pentagon. The stills they provided are essentially garbage and prove nothing. If they were really worried about selling the "myth" they would have tried harder. Not even a picture of a plane approaching the Pentagon has been provided.

BTW...please don't post those obvious fake photophopped pictures of a plane at the Pentagon. Don't waste our time with garbage here.

[3stepsahead]

hoho rofl surely most of this is up to debate, but that loosechangedebunk site is totally out of order and would bear as much autority as the average debunker on these threads.....

if thats where you get your fencing arguments from id say you sould just let it go.

maybe they can give a perfectly sound explanation as to why there are only two frames of released video aswell:rolleyes:

[ultima1]

What official reports?
The only ones I know of say that a jumbo jet hit it
and we know that's not true.

The official FBI crime scene reports have not been released. They are the main official documents.

[phildee3]

The official FBI crime scene reports have not been released.



Are you sure there are any?
It wasn't treated as a crime scene.



They are the main official documents.



I don't know how you define "main."
I would say that the "main official document" is the 9/11 commission's report.

[ultima1]

Are you sure there are any?
It wasn't treated as a crime scene.

WRONG, the 9/11 crash sites were considered crime scenes. We were attacked by supposed terrorist, a criminal act.

Anytime a crash site is considered and crime scene then the FBI becomes the lead and main official investigating agency.

I don't know how you define "main."
I would say that the "main official document" is the 9/11 commission's report.

The 9/11 commisison report is so full of holes you could fly a plane through them.

Repeated from above: Anytime a crash site is considered and crime scene then the FBI becomes the lead and main official investigating agency.

[phildee3]

the 9/11 crash sites were considered crime scenes.



By whom?

Why were they not treated as crime scenes (ie. cordened off to all but forensic investigators)?



The 9/11 commisison report is so full of holes you could fly a plane through them.



Of course, we all know that, but that doesn't make it any less official.



Repeated from above: Anytime a crash site is considered and crime scene then the FBI becomes the lead and main official investigating agency.



Repeated from above:
Why, then, was it not treated as a crime scene?

Also repeated:
Do you know if the FBI made any report(s), or indeed if they even sent in crime scene investigators?

I know they should have done, but did they?
Do you have any evidence?

I only saw clean-up crews in there.

[ultima1]

By whom?

The Government, as soon as they stated it was a terrorist attack. In case you did not know attack by terrorist is a crime.

Why were they not treated as crime scenes (ie. cordened off to all but forensic investigators)?

Gee you really have not seen much of the videos that show investigators at the crime scenes have you ????

Why, then, was it not treated as a crime scene?

What do you not understand that they were and still are considered a crime scene ????

Also repeated:
Do you know if the FBI made any report(s), or indeed if they even sent in crime scene investigators?

According to FBI it is still an ongoing criminal investigation.

[phildee3]

Gee you really have not seen much of the videos that show investigators at the crime scenes have you ????



As I said, I've not seen any.
Can you link me to some of them?

One of them?



What do you not understand that they were and still are considered a crime scene ????



Evidence, please (eg. where did you hear this?).
I only have one piece of evidence that they were not (ie. that they were not treated as a crime scene).

[ultima1]

As I said, I've not seen any.
Can you link me to some of them?

Gee, you really need to do some research to catch up on what happned that day.

Evidence, please (eg. where did you hear this?).
I only have one piece of evidence that they were not (ie. that they were not treated as a crime scene).

All you need to do is look up the FBI's own website, look up PENTTBOM. PENTTBOM stands for Pentagon Twin Towers Bombing.

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/penttbom/penttbomb.htm
Our ensuing investigation of the attacks of 9/11/01—code named “PENTTBOM”—was our largest investigation ever. At the peak of the case, more than half our agents worked to identify the hijackers and their sponsors and, with other agencies, to head off any possible future attacks.

[heartysoup]

The 9/11 commisison report is so full of holes you could fly a plane through them.



would still be easier to fake the planes. :p

[superearther]

i heard somewhere that the passengers are involved in a cia program to keep them hidden.

[heartysoup]

i heard somewhere that the passengers are involved in a cia program to keep them hidden.

i wouldn't know...

but there were certainly a lot of passengers involved in Defense, Biotech, etc, many of them seem like they are pretty important; maybe even the perps themselves. who knows.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/flight77/passengers.html

not sure how accurate this is... but whatever... its something.

it would certainly be the 'perfect crime' if the perps are faked to have died.

it seems like a bunch of passengers are 'non-perps'... i cant really explain that... maybe just to make it seem real. no clue.

notice that most of the 'non-perps' seem to be minorities or 'good people'. might be some kind of psychological game to get minorities to enlist, or to manipulate other 'good people'.

maybe some of them really knew too much.

dont know about the other planes... the link above is only for 'flight 77' i think.

its all speculation... but once you think about it and look at the companies some of the passengers come from it just seems suspicious.

then again, is there anything about 9/11 that isn't suspicious?

[kbeet]

The official FBI crime scene reports have not been released. They are the main official documents.

hey... hello...
people got torn apart when they went down with the building and got burried under the rubble. body parts were found..
you people crossed the line with this thread
better hope those that lost family in that on 9/11 dont see this trash.
they could get you for emotional torment

[ultima1]

body parts were found..


You are a real joke, you have no idea what you are talking about.

What body parts? Also if the heat was as hot in the towers and Pentagon as stated the DNA evidence would have been destroyed.

NIST had to come up with new DNA testing just for 9/11.

you people crossed the line with this thread
better hope those that lost family in that on 9/11 dont see this trash.
they could get you for emotional torment

Its too bad so many family members are asking the same questions the truthers are.

Thats also why so many family members have filed law suits to try to get the facts of what really happened.

[rodin]

Really interesting post antipodean ...

... were the terminal tennants chosen ..what do you think ??

I ask because the question is now there ...

:confused:

Yes isn't it?

One story above the carpeted, wood-paneled offices of a
Japanese securities firm, a group of artists filled bare walls with boldly
colored images and hung sculptures from the exposed ceiling girders of
a vast echoing cavern. As part of a Lower Manhattan Cultural Council
program that turned some of the vacant space in the towers over to
artists rent-free, 40,000 square feet of concrete floor lay paint-
spattered and strewn with the raw materials of a creative urge that has
never been easily reconciled with the imperatives of a bottom line.


which brings to mind

According to Cameron, some 60 Israeli nationals had been detained in the anti-terrorism/immigrant sweeps in the weeks after Sept. 11, and at least 140 Israelis identified as "art students" had been detained or arrested in the prior months. Most of the 60 detained after Sept. 11 had been deported, Cameron said. "Some of the detainees," reported Cameron, "failed polygraph questions when asked about alleged surveillance activities against and in the United States." Some of them were on active military duty. (Military service is compulsory for all young Israelis.) Cameron was careful to note that there was "no indication that the Israelis were involved in the 9/11 attacks" and that while his reporting had dug up "explosive information," none of it was necessarily conclusive. Cameron was simply airing the wide-ranging speculations in an ongoing investigation.

Incendiary as it was, that story died on the vine, too, and the scuttlebutt in major newsrooms was that Camerons sources -- all anonymous -- were promulgating a fantasy. Reporters at the New York Times and the Washington Post hit up their go-to people inside Justice and FBI and CIA, but no one could seem to confirm the story, and indeed numerous officials laughed it off. Fox got it wrong, the newspapers of record concluded. And nothing more was heard on the topic in mainstream quarters.

But inside the DEA, the Fox piece reverberated. An internal DEA communiqué obtained by Salon indicates that the DEA made careful note of Camerons reports; the communiqué even mentions Fox News by name. Dated Dec. 18, four days after the final installment in the Fox series, the document warns of security breaches in DEA telecommunications by unauthorized "foreign nationals" -- and cites an Israeli-owned firm with which the DEA contracted for wiretap equipment -- breaches that could have accounted for the access that the "art students" apparently had to the home addresses of agents.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index.html

[ultima1]

Yes isn't it?

Gee, you mean 9/11 is another USS Liberty ???

[jose5555]

read this

http://www.voltairenet.org/article163908.html

[earthicastar]

So far... no one has shown any evidence of any passengers existing at all...

xan anybody show me credible evidence of any plane.. or missile, or projectile of any sort?

the alleged planes weren't even entered in the destruction record until years later.. and no terrorists ever boarded the flights alleged.. in fact.. prove that the flights even were scheduled that day.. or that any of the alleged passengers are real people in the first place

however here are photos of flight 93 passengers, http://www.flight93memorialsfb.com/ ... there is not a single family member that questions the official story one iota.. and that's a little strange.. plus they are impossible to interview.

"the U.S. Government withheld the actual passenger lists for years. An earlier version of Jim Hoffman’s page on the passenger lists reported correctly that there was previously “no public evidence"
http://arabesque911.blogspot.com/2008/08/911-misinformation-flight-passenger.html#_Passenger_Manifests_versus_

[earthicastar]

911 Honor the Vicsims - YouTube